Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED Nope, I have to disagree with Chris's list Lebron second. He has the chance to be second of all time but not now. He aint over Kareem or Magic.
Skips List 1. Michael Jeffery Jordan 2. Sean Lee 3. Tim Tebow 4. Ray Allen's Greatest Clutch Shot Ever That Saved Lebron's Legacy 5. The Spurs Team that blew Lebron off the floor by a record margin
NEVER FORGET. Shannon, Nick Wright, Jason Whitlock, and Ben Rorbach all tried to save face after Kobe’s death. Please never forget what they did to him while he was here, I know it haunts them, and they should be allowed forgiveness at some point to but we must make it known what they did to Kobe. And they admitted after he died they were salty and BIASED. Ben Rohrbach straight up admitted that, and I could sense it in his words all those years back.
That was a mistake - Duncan is not top 10. Duncan is an excellent player, but he also had an extremely lucky career. From day one he was drafted to a team that already had one of the greartest big men of all time (David Robinson). People will argue Robison was on the decline which is true, but it doesn't matter because the two greatest gains Duncan got from DR's presence were: 1. The opportunity to learn from one of the greatrest big men to ever play the game 2. The opportunity to slide down to the PF spot (since Robinson played center) where his 7'0" / 7'5" wingspan gave him a huge advantage against most matchups Then throw in the fact that he also got coached from a young age by Greg Popovich, one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time, and that is yet another massive advantage that just fell in to his lap. Don't get me wrong Duncan was a great player without a doubt, but he also had greatness/success handed to him on a silver platter moreso then maybe any other great player that gets talked about in these discussions. I mean honestly - how many top 3 picks are lucky enough to be drafted to a team where (pretty much from day one) they have a hall of fame coach AND hall of fame player (at their position, no less) available to mentor them from day one? Then on top of that you have to factor in that he had incredibly deep and talented rosters every single year once they started winning - lets be honest, it's not like he really ever had to "tough it out" or face much in the way of adversity. If you want to just a player judge them not on how many championships their TEAM won, but based on their individual talent, ability, and contribution to the league. Duncan was really good. He was exceptional. But he does not deserve to be mentioned in the same paragraph as guys like Jordan, Magic, BIrd, Kareem, Hakeem (who was shamefully missing from these lists), Kobe and Leborn. Duncan is at least one (if not two) full tiers below those guys.
for more than half of his championships and for more than half his finals appearances, he was not the best player on his team. he was the best player in the world for a very short time. between 2007 and 2009 more or less, and he was never the defacto best in the world. you always could've made a case he wasn't. he hurt his teams sometimes when he wasn't passing and ball hogging. he ruined the pistons series for them and drove shaq out of LA, who then proceeded to win a championship again, with his next team. kobe never had to play on his own. he had good teams for every year in which he was still good enough. jordan, lebron, shaq, etc have had multiple seasons with no one on their team. lebron went to two finals with no one. he was 22 in one of them. i have him 11th, because I can't put him higher than guys like jordan/magic/lebron/kareem/wilt /russel / duncan or ahead of dominating forces like shaq/hakeem. and i think larry bird ranks higher, but you can maybe argue that.
@@anonymous-pb7dy Kobe was college young when he had the 3peat and the only chip he was the supporting cast was his 1st one at 20 years old. Not to mention shaq fouled out and kobe hit a clutch shot in a pivotal game 4 against the pacers. Of course you burn yourself out though by comparing him to lebron lol. And thats the thing. I dont need to put another player down to make another one look better because kobes individual accomplishments speak for themselves. And he was only the best from 07-09? Did you not see the 81 pt game or the 4 50 pt games in a row? Did you not see who he was playing with before he got gasol? I can go on but the fact that you put hakeem over him just is just silly
@@shinobi-wankenobi1100 i also saw harden score 30+ in 30+ stragight. Is he the best in the world? 2000 to 2004 it was shaq or duncan 2005-2007 it was dirk or duncan (kobe was in the conversation) 2007-2009 it was kobe. After that lebron has been without question the best. Im not putting kobe down. Im a lakers fan since the early 2000s. You don't have to be disrespectful if you say he's not as good as another player. I appreciate him. I just think he's overhyped. He's not top 5-esque at all.
God Of All Anime News it’s not about disrespect. But don’t let his passing change your judgement about where he ranks. I’ve got Kobe around 6th or 7th on my all time list but it’s not me disrespecting him but just respecting the other guys game a bit more.
God Of All Anime News I agree they did disrespect him!! A lot of ppl didn’t even put him in the top 10. It took him passing away for the haters to realize how much of Kobe was an impact!! I’ve always put Kobe over Lebron when he was here
Shannon's real List 1. Lebron James 2. Lebron James 3. Lebron James 4. Lebron James 5. Goat James 6. Bron Bron 7. LBJ 8. Lebron James headband 9. Lebron James 10. Lebron James
1:45 Years later I still come back here at least once a month to laugh the hardest I’ve ever laughed at Shannon becoming confused Lmfaoo don’t know why but it kills me, the panicked “wait a minute!”at the end🤣
Shannon:who’s better Kwame brown or lebron james Skip:well kwame has never lost in the finals so I have to take the more clutch player. Shannon:What Skip:kwame shot better from free throw and hasn’t lost in the finals
Why is it so shocking to have Kareem number 1? 6 championships 6 mvps all time leading scorer wtf? He has a claim doesn’t he? Can someone just explain why it’s sooooo shocking?
@@thsu8 Kareem has 2 finals MVPS bro, an argument can be made Magic deserved Kareem's finals mvp. Jordan has 6>2 Kareem's 2. This basically mens Jordan was the best player on all his championship runs, also Kareem won 2 of his MVPS WITHOUT MAKING the playoffs.
Kobe has become the most underrated great of all time. I guess the hate is real. No other player I would rather have in the league during his career. That includes Lebron and Duncan. Wtf!
How could his average minutes played be longer than 48 minutes? You do know that games go for 48 minutes right? Unless they go into OT, but Wilt did not play in that many OT games that it would put his average above 48 minutes hahaha
What on Earth are you talking about? All I said was that Wilt's average minutes played per game for his career, was not 48.5. And I happen to be correct. www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html
It happens when super famous people pass early. Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain...... all deified after they died. Their deaths were as spectacular and shocking as their careers. Adding to the mystique. the younger you are the more significant it is to you also. Kobe is a textbook example. If he deserves it or not is subjective. He’s not in my top 10, but that’s my top 10 lol you don’t have to like it.
@@scarfface4682 I'm dwelling on today actually. Just because someone passes away it shouldn't propel them to an elevated status like a "GOAT" when just prior he was only in the top 10.
Skip as usual knows nothing. 1) Sam Jones, KC Jones, Satch Sanders, Wayne Embry, and Willie Naulls were not white. 2) Besides Havlicek, Cousy, Heinsohn and Ramsey would have ben all-stars in any era against any color players. 3) Color does not make one great 4) If that comment was reversed, he would have been fired for making such a racist and stupid comment
Donald Pace I'm with you.. Kobe isn't top five. Only two finals MVPs one regular season MVP, 20 years...alot of shots alot more misses...alot of playoff early exits...in fact Kobe has just as much playoff losses as lebron been in the finals
@@ivblizzard3616 Kobe had shaq and pau gasol. Lebron had dwade, bosh, kyrie, love, and Davis. Lebron has always had at least one other all star on his team since the first time he left the Cavs
I'll take Kobe any day of the week, in the clutch or out the clutch..lol people would crucify Kobe if he had a losing final record..but not bron..ion get it
Imo kobe is not top 9 so it is fair to debate...you can't put him over Kareem magic wilt Russell James mj Duncan shaq bird imo..and there's Moses Karl oscar hakeem d wade as well who all can claim to be top 10 but I would give it to Kobe....he deserves 10th ...
Asmosis Jones there's no way I got Bron over Kobe, how you compare 3-5 to 5-2..lol forget championship rings what level of competition does bron go against really? the east has been cake since 09, that's why his final record is what it is he beat down on 2 teams in the playoffs an get ran in the finals..bron a stat sheet stuffer who can average a triple double in the finals and be okay with losing..i don't get that at all
How does Kobe go from being 1. The carbon copy of the greatest player ever. 2. Argued over who's better out of him and LeBron - who is easily in the top 5 maybe 7. 3. The greatest Laker ever (according to Magic Johnson's owns words-not mine) To now being questionable if he's in the top 10!?!?!? I don't get it🤷🏾♂️
Everybody knows that magic didnt really mean that he was just being kind. Anyone that puts kobe over kareem magic or lebron just doesnt know basketball
@richard sanchez Lebron is better in : -Finishing at the rim -Assisting the ball -Rebounding -Defending in general -Creating shots for his teammates Kobe is better in: -Shooting
All skip says is 3-5....yeah but it's not 1-7.....its 3 finals mvps and 4 mvps...3 rings still ntter than most...sorry LeBron got to more finals...that's a good thing...id rather be 3-5 than 3-0...losing before the finals isn't on the record but its more embarassing...lebron never been beaten in round 1....every other legend has ... ...2 gold medals and 2 all star mvps...you cant win any more than that and he was robbee of the 2011 mvp and the 2013 defensive player of the year...in the last 15 seasons only 1 player has won mvp and finals mvp in the same year...lebron james....he did it twice...
Asmosis Jones: Preach brother. Preach. I totally agree with everything you just said. I truly believe that when he retires, LeBron will have firmly established himself as the best of all time.
Asmois jones honestly I think hakeem, Kobe, oscar, bird, duncan, shaq, and russell are all interchangeable outside the top five and two have to left out of top ten
Agree Hakeem and Larry Bird are so underrated in these debates both are in my all time fav line up ever, nothing but disrespect being shown towards both
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No one gives hakeem any credit he is probably the most skilled big man of all time, and also the guy that destroyed your so called most dominant player shaquille O'Neal in the finals
What goes around comes around. I remember when they compared Kobe to Lebron🤣🤣🤣🤣 sayin he better🤣 now they debating if ole boy is even top 10. It’s hilarious how the tables turn
Micheal Jordan Kareem Abdul Jabbar Magic Johnson LeBron James Wilt Chamberlain Kobe Bryant Shaq Tim Duncan Larry Bird Bill Russell Hakeem Olajuwon Oscar Robertson
I have Kobe top three an I always have I guess I just thought everyone had him there because he was the closest thing we ever got to a nother Michael Jordan and his insane mentality
@@coreytrepagnier9343 What did they say when he scored 81? Best player ever. Jordan's the GOAT, but in their positions I would want Kobe or Jordan. No one else compares, imo.
gimme a break, he tried to one up MJ but fell short. Being the poor mans anything is gonna knock you down any GOAT list. He wasnt a great shooter, a great passer or a great rebounder! He wasnt the best at anything he did except taking the most shots on his team. If he was a Buck or T'wolf he wouldnt even be in the goat conversation
@@rygesa I mostly agree with this. Kobe had a lot of great moments but was also pretty inefficient. And his insistence on hanging around just so he could say he played 20 years delayed the Lakers rebuild. Fun to watch but no GOAT
1. MJ - No explanation needed. 2. Lebron - The most athletic and versatile player ever. 3. Kareem - The best player for a long time with the most devastating move ever, and 6 rings/6 MVP’s don’t hurt. 4. Magic - Best PG of all time (I believe the gap between Magic and the other point guards is larger than the gap between MJ and Kobe). Best passer, most creative floor general ever & he revolutionized being a big PG. 5. Kobe - Diet MJ, a slightly less talented/accomplished carbon copy of the GOAT. 6. Duncan - Never missed the playoffs, greatest PF ever and the most underrated superstar in any sport of all time. 7. Shaq - The most dominant 3 year stretch ever during LA’s 3-peat, the most dominant player in his prime and his outstanding D was overlooked due to his legendary offensive arsenal. 8. Bird - Leader of one of the greatest teams ever (‘85-‘86), Lebron before Lebron, top 5 competitor ever. 9. Wilt - Look up the NBA record book like Broussard said. 10. Russell - 11 rings, dominant defense/rebounding, a leader of the integration the NBA moved towards. Some say he should be far higher and I don’t want to take anything away from him BUT those rings came with a handful of HOF’ers and only 8 teams in the league.
Eric Blake I don’t know Y not #1 and #2,MJ who did he play against,Lebron, how is this, can’t dribble, what position does he play,can only post small guards, never seen him battle with people his size, very overrated
Kobe is number 1 on my list he kept me out the streets and kept me at the park and in the gym he’s the reason I love basketball I looked up to that man show him some respect I don’t have to explain what he’s done go look at it
Villain Ville obviously the man means more to you than just a basketball player so I can respect that. But it’s really hard to argue he’s even top 5 if we being realistic.
@@smmsmiley2125 no it's not tbh nobody but micheal has his killer instinct or his footwork. Hes like kd but not 7ft and his post game is insane. Cmon top 5 for sure imo.
Kobe is the most underrated player in history of sports. He was robbed multiple MVP's. Excellent defender, won 5 out of 7 championship and the killer instinct.
having kareem at 1 and lebron at 3 and still active with a chance to move up is entirely different than having kareem at 3 and lebron at 9 barely in the top 10
Barley but I have him 10 ahead of Oscar ...and Moses and hakeem and Karl and wade....my top 10 1. Kareem 2. Mj 3. Magic 4. Wilt 5. James 6. Bird 7. Russel 8. Duncan 9. Shaq 10. Kobe.....
Sixx God6 it really isn't at all. In my opinion it isn't even a subject of discussion. Shaq was clearly the more dominant force and was the better player in LA and comparatively in their primes he was better. Not to mention he also made kobe so much better those three years helping him jumpstart his career
Sixx God6 I said comparitively in their primes. Shaq was the more dominant force he averaged over 30 PER several times something Kobe never did and they were about on par for Win shares as well and Shaq maintained a lower usage % than kobe
When talking about LeBron, Skip gives so much emphasis on the number of championships. And still ranked Bill Russell below Jordan, Magic and Kareem who all won less championships.
Yes! I have been saying this for years. None of these, so called journalists, TV and media "experts" ever establish a set of criteria. It's all based on popularity, MONEY (who sponsors them and their employer) and what LITTLE they actually know about NBA history. Many players from the past get disrespected.
Let's establish the criteria: Here's my top ten list: Team success in the playoffs Individual Statistics- Peak Value Individual Statistics- Career Value Awards and Honors Leading the League and/or Setting records Team success in the regular season Unselfishness/sacrificing of Individual statistics and honors Actual Skills/Fundamentals Athleticism (Speed, Strength etc.) Intangibles (Leadership, Toughness etc.) Like you said, it depends on what you value the most. This list could have a different order by everyone who reads it. This list could be completely different from someone else's list as well. But if these shows actually evaluated players from a list like this, THEN they would have to be fair and objective. Perhaps, then, we could make a list that would be widely accepted. It would take a lot of research and then a lot of air time to discuss it. The results would probably have few surprises. The MONEY driven shows, on ESPN and Fox Sports, will never do anything like this.
Skip asking if Wilt even thought about defense ruined his whole argument. Many people think Wilt could have averaged 10 blocks a game had they kept the stat back then.
The disrespect of Kobe has to stop people use to say he’s not black enough because he wasn’t like Allen iverson with the cornrows and grew up part of his life in Italy they also didn’t like because of the Michael Jordan comparison they didn’t like him because of they said he ran shaq out of town they also said he would never win without shaq now they say lebron is better because of regular season stats they say Kobe had shaq but lebron had nobody but superstars on his team to help him win you young bucks don’t know this but Kobe had everybody chatting mvp in every arena in the league nobody has ever done that before
Kobe came from Europe, of course he ain't Black enough. If Kobe came from the hoods in U.S., you'd have Kobe get made respect from Blacks, but the truth is he's from Euro ball. He'll never get the cred he deserves because of this fact that Blacks view him that way. Sorry, truth hurts.
He also holds the record for most field goals missed in the history of the game, and is behind LeBron in every statistical category in both regular season and playoffs, but whatever floats your boat.
Misanthropy so did Jordan when he retired also Lebron takes mostly lay ups don't ever bring up fg% plus kobe spent three yrs on the bench three yrs with bums and 3 yrs injury ridden
the funny thing is they not only direspecting kobe they disrespect everybody just to give lebron a case saying he better than bird and magic these morons dont know a damn thing
@Xantoven oh yeah he way better thte only reason he aint got six titles cause mike and larry took them from him, who lebron get his titles taken from ? how many he actually got?
Respect the fact Shannon has Kareem #1 all time he gets no love. 6x champion, 2x Finals MVP, 6x MVPs, All time leading scorer, 3rd all time rebounder, 3rd all time blocks. If ppl want to talk about stats then there you go.
Overrated, either Vince Carter or T-Mac replace Kobe, they would get those 3 rings as well. Put Kobe on Raptors lineup or Knicks, he will be nobody today. It's all about who you play with!!! When Master Zen and Shaq left, Kobe's team were pathetic at best. Ultimately, return of Zen Master + All-Star Pau Gasol to save his a$$ legacy.
Honestly your all debating this but hate it or love it, everyone they are talking about is retired while LeBron probably still has a good five years left in him. Maybe even more if he takes lesser minutes. He may be out of his prime but still the best in the league and I think he will keep this up the next three years.
2Pac Remix That was the same case with Kobe back in 2010.Especially when he was playing out of his mind against the Suns in the WCF going through to chase his 5th ring..Many people were making cases to put him over MJ just like with Lebron today. Most guys were just kids back then or dont remember this because generally people tend to forget but this is totally true.
You can kinda argue he still in his prime he putting up Amazing numbers still he will be top 5 in scoring maybe 3,2 and top 10 in assist you can't say he's not a top 3 guy his longevity and his numbers in his latter years is what impresses me the most its like LeBron still playing in Miami except he looks older lol
Based on that Allen Iverson would be top 5 too. Cultural impact has no relevance on talent. Kobe is bubble top 5 just based on skill though. I’ve got him around 6/7
@Michael E because of the game footages. And people can easily say he had 20 by watching him. Like if u see a players scoring some buckets u can tell like he had the highest points cause u saw the game. That's with wilt people knew he had the highest but nba didn't record the blocks back then. Imagine blocking skyhook back to back in your late 30's. Also the only one to do so. You can obviously tell he is the greatest ever.
If people understood the word "team" in team sports Jordan would not be rated so highly.He barely improved his team his rookie/early years unlike someone like Bird(Improved the Celtics by over 30 plus more wins his first season).Without Jordan the Bulls were still a major force and in the playoff picture, he was the icing on the cake for a very good bulls team in the 90's.
damariun wilson what? Lmao what a dumb thing to say. So if you and I drag race and I have a Bugatti and u have a station wagon my stats are clearly better who's going to win that race ? Exactly
Part of Skip’s self-identity, is being the biggest fan of the “Greatest Player Ever”, and any threat to that, he takes as a personal insult. I bet Skip was just as bad in denying Kobe ANY sort of consideration for even Top10 player, during his tenure.
Yea and let’s just act as if Lebron doesn’t have media biased towards him at the same time? Max Kellerman, Shannon Sharp (this man wears a goat mask with lebron’s jersey whenever he has a good game if that’s not bias then I don’t know what is), Nick Wright, Colin Cowherd.
Chandler Smith No doubt. Just feel like Hakeem’s athleticism set the barometer for the Center. Also need to watch more footage as always lol. Prime Shaq probably higher.
It’s like we all forget that Kobe is third in all time scoring for regular season and 4th in the playoffs. In his 20 year career he was selected 15 times to the All NBA Team, 11 of those to the 1st team,12 times to the All Defensive Team and 9 of those were 1st team. Had an 81 point game, the second highest in NBA history. Won 5 chips for purple and gold, an MVP(robbed of 2006 MVP), 2 finals MVP. But then again Kobe’s goal wasn’t focused on winning MVP awards, it was always about the championships. MVP only covers one regular season at a time and has limited value in measuring all-time greatness. Finally, at 37 years of age, on his final game, in the city of angels, wearing the purple and gold he loves so much, he managed to score 60 and set the season high for most points by a player in a game!!!!!
magic - 13 seasons 13 playoff appearances 5 finals 5 finals mvps, led the league im steals twice, 9 time all nba, 2 time nba mvp, 3 seasons with 22+ ppg amd 11+ apg. and your point is sir.
Because people are starting to see that Kobe is a volume player, not an efficient player and his playoff success can be completely tied to two players, Shaq and Gasol.
Why not lol 1st in points ,8 rings ,2 as a assistant coach, 3 NCAA championship 4 high school championship, 3rd in rebounds and blocks ,6 MVP played on 3 different era the man is the greatest Basketball player ever so y’all research.
He absolutely can. What people apparently don’t realize is that these things are ALL subjective. MJ isn’t objectively the best because there’s no way to objectively determine that. There’s no set prerequisite for saying who’s the Best. That’s why people have arguments involving so many different players. There’s no specific list of criteria set in stone for that. So what people do is work backwards... They pick their favorite player first, then build an argument around it where they sprinkle in the Statistics and Awardd that suit their argument.
@@lilk247 5 Rings , 2 Finals MVPS, top 5 in scoring, impact, Robbed of at least 3 MVPS, 81 Points, One of the greatest playoff performers ever, 60 Points in his last game and most game winners ever.
@@youngrecklessescoo7079 that still doesn’t mean what you think it does. There is no context to the numbers you listed, for 3 of his championships he was the 2nd best player on the team and that’s not debatable. That plays a big factor when you’re nit picking amongst greats but when you play with unarguably the most dominant force to ever play the center position averaging 38/16 and winning 3 finals MVP’s in a row ON YOUR TEAM you don’t get as much credit as you do for the other 2 chips you can’t just sweep Shaq’s impact under the rug bro lol
Do you agree with Chris Broussard?
Chris needs to be fire. For that list
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED Nope, I have to disagree with Chris's list Lebron second. He has the chance to be second of all time but not now. He aint over Kareem or Magic.
No
No
100% agree with his list. I've exactly the same top-4 and I also have Kobe #7
Skips List
1. Michael Jeffery Jordan
2. Sean Lee
3. Tim Tebow
4. Ray Allen's Greatest Clutch Shot Ever That Saved Lebron's Legacy
5. The Spurs Team that blew Lebron off the floor by a record margin
Dat Boi ayy just watched one of your vids then seen this and seen you
You forgot about the michael irving 😂
Dat Boi 6. The Cowboys
Dat Boi 😂😂😂 W
Dat Boi 😂😂😂😂 that list is perfect bro
Never forget how the media always disrespected Kobe but want to act different now that he’s dead
NEVER FORGET. Shannon, Nick Wright, Jason Whitlock, and Ben Rorbach all tried to save face after Kobe’s death. Please never forget what they did to him while he was here, I know it haunts them, and they should be allowed forgiveness at some point to but we must make it known what they did to Kobe. And they admitted after he died they were salty and BIASED. Ben Rohrbach straight up admitted that, and I could sense it in his words all those years back.
@@paradigmshift7541 don't forget ryan Hollins!! He dissed kobe the day before he died and deleted it the day he died
@@paradigmshift7541 where did Ben admit that?
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Agreed brotha I’m a huge Kobe fan but the disrespect to Kobe is unreal
Shannon: *Puts Kareem 1*
Skip: *Puts Kareem ahead of LeBron*
Shannon: “You put Kareem ahead of LeBron”
Lmao
Breh 😂😂😂
Kobe is ahead of lebron
Zarey Dastaryan cmon bruh yu know that’s false
@@ryanjose573 everybody got their list that's mine lebron all around basketball is better kobe his scoring and willpower is greater
Shannon got them CTE’s!!!! 😜😜😂😂😂😂
How skip keep a straight face while trolling, it’s really impressive
U mean while ur favourite Uncle LeShannon 🤥 on NATIONAL TV!
Wich is the worst u think 💁🏾♂️
@@Mercurial. shanon list is better than skip list...
@@demetriclarke4194 Except for Kareem as the GOAT, his list is solid
The only trolling is putting the great kobe bryant so low
@@demetriclarke4194 No, its not, LeShannon list was a joke.
Kobe has 11 all-nba 1st team and 9 all-defensive first team selections and won 2 rings as the man. He's definitely top 10.
It's subjective
For me he is not, but if someone put him 7th-10th its fair
Averaged **
@@leomessi7891its fair but to me he is 11th
@@leomessi7891 hakeem shaq duncan etc
Skip Bayless probably has Lebron at 4937
Matthew Morcos loooooooooooooooooool
Too high lmao
Matthew Morcos where he belongs
Matthew Morcos facts
Higher than id rank him
I’m glad Shannon included Tim Duncan in his top 10. He was such a great player
Guthred 11 Tim Duncan is Trash
That was a mistake - Duncan is not top 10.
Duncan is an excellent player, but he also had an extremely lucky career. From day one he was drafted to a team that already had one of the greartest big men of all time (David Robinson). People will argue Robison was on the decline which is true, but it doesn't matter because the two greatest gains Duncan got from DR's presence were:
1. The opportunity to learn from one of the greatrest big men to ever play the game
2. The opportunity to slide down to the PF spot (since Robinson played center) where his 7'0" / 7'5" wingspan gave him a huge advantage against most matchups
Then throw in the fact that he also got coached from a young age by Greg Popovich, one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time, and that is yet another massive advantage that just fell in to his lap.
Don't get me wrong Duncan was a great player without a doubt, but he also had greatness/success handed to him on a silver platter moreso then maybe any other great player that gets talked about in these discussions.
I mean honestly - how many top 3 picks are lucky enough to be drafted to a team where (pretty much from day one) they have a hall of fame coach AND hall of fame player (at their position, no less) available to mentor them from day one?
Then on top of that you have to factor in that he had incredibly deep and talented rosters every single year once they started winning - lets be honest, it's not like he really ever had to "tough it out" or face much in the way of adversity.
If you want to just a player judge them not on how many championships their TEAM won, but based on their individual talent, ability, and contribution to the league. Duncan was really good. He was exceptional. But he does not deserve to be mentioned in the same paragraph as guys like Jordan, Magic, BIrd, Kareem, Hakeem (who was shamefully missing from these lists), Kobe and Leborn. Duncan is at least one (if not two) full tiers below those guys.
Pete you cannot contribute all that to “luck” lmao. It takes more than luck to win more than 3 championships😂😂
Stats don’t lie. + Robinson was only there for a short amount of time after Tim entered the league
Pete deep rosters are what make the spurs the spurs. Even now that’s the case haha
Kobe always be a great player and he will
Always be in top spot
Hakeem beat every good center during his time. No brainer top 10 for me. But that's just me.
facts
How do you defend 5 losses? Cuz 4 of those times he was the underdog, often massively.
jayceh HE was NEVER the reason they lost
I mean Steph beat every great pg of hid time.. is he top 10?
exactly
Again, no love for Hakeem.
Wes Mantooth Who?
@Wes Mantooth Hakeem, is the BEST skilled Center...
Not even the best player in his draft class
Free Brady Hakeem the Dream, is MJ's contemporary..Stop it..
Hakeem is in my top ten
Top 10 is getting very crowded these days. That said, Kobe is definitely in.
I got him 5 (used to have Bird 5th)
1 MJ
2 Lebron
3 Kareem
4 Magic
5 Kobe
6 Bird
7 Shaq
8 Duncan
9 Wilt
10 Russell
Personally my list
@@itsraien LeBron MJ Kareem magic Wilt Chamberlain bill Russell Tim Duncan Larry Bird Shaq kobe
@@dakaraibarton1079 L
@@Black-oj1qe that's my opinion how about u make a list
@@Black-oj1qe instead of judging me
The fact that they are entertaining the idea of kobe not being in the top 10 is disrespectful
bro i thought ur picture was a hair on my screen
for more than half of his championships and for more than half his finals appearances, he was not the best player on his team. he was the best player in the world for a very short time. between 2007 and 2009 more or less, and he was never the defacto best in the world. you always could've made a case he wasn't. he hurt his teams sometimes when he wasn't passing and ball hogging. he ruined the pistons series for them and drove shaq out of LA, who then proceeded to win a championship again, with his next team. kobe never had to play on his own. he had good teams for every year in which he was still good enough. jordan, lebron, shaq, etc have had multiple seasons with no one on their team. lebron went to two finals with no one. he was 22 in one of them. i have him 11th, because I can't put him higher than guys like jordan/magic/lebron/kareem/wilt /russel / duncan or ahead of dominating forces like shaq/hakeem. and i think larry bird ranks higher, but you can maybe argue that.
@@anonymous-pb7dy Kobe was college young when he had the 3peat and the only chip he was the supporting cast was his 1st one at 20 years old. Not to mention shaq fouled out and kobe hit a clutch shot in a pivotal game 4 against the pacers. Of course you burn yourself out though by comparing him to lebron lol. And thats the thing. I dont need to put another player down to make another one look better because kobes individual accomplishments speak for themselves. And he was only the best from 07-09? Did you not see the 81 pt game or the 4 50 pt games in a row? Did you not see who he was playing with before he got gasol? I can go on but the fact that you put hakeem over him just is just silly
@@shinobi-wankenobi1100 i also saw harden score 30+ in 30+ stragight. Is he the best in the world?
2000 to 2004 it was shaq or duncan
2005-2007 it was dirk or duncan (kobe was in the conversation)
2007-2009 it was kobe.
After that lebron has been without question the best.
Im not putting kobe down. Im a lakers fan since the early 2000s. You don't have to be disrespectful if you say he's not as good as another player. I appreciate him. I just think he's overhyped. He's not top 5-esque at all.
@@anonymous-pb7dy you make valid points sir
Who's here after kobe's passing??
This segment was supposed to be about Kobe and they barely even talked about him smh
RIP MAMBA ✌️
They always disrespect him
God Of All Anime News it’s not about disrespect. But don’t let his passing change your judgement about where he ranks. I’ve got Kobe around 6th or 7th on my all time list but it’s not me disrespecting him but just respecting the other guys game a bit more.
God Of All Anime News I agree they did disrespect him!! A lot of ppl didn’t even put him in the top 10. It took him passing away for the haters to realize how much of Kobe was an impact!! I’ve always put Kobe over Lebron when he was here
Chris is a hater
Bro this video is from 2017.
Shannon's real List
1. Lebron James
2. Lebron James
3. Lebron James
4. Lebron James
5. Goat James
6. Bron Bron
7. LBJ
8. Lebron James headband
9. Lebron James
10. Lebron James
ExtraOrdinary MUSIC lmao
You forgot king James
ExtraOrdinary MUSIC it's Lejon Brames psh get it right
Screaming🤣🤣
11. The son of Gloria James
1:45 Years later I still come back here at least once a month to laugh the hardest I’ve ever laughed at Shannon becoming confused Lmfaoo don’t know why but it kills me, the panicked “wait a minute!”at the end🤣
Me too 😂😂😂😂😂 I started watching this a few months ago and I still be dying laughing at that part lmao
😂😂 Never forget
Shannon:who’s better Kwame brown or lebron james
Skip:well kwame has never lost in the finals so I have to take the more clutch player.
Shannon:What
Skip:kwame shot better from free throw and hasn’t lost in the finals
skip hates lebron but atleast gives him some more credit now, but shannon is insane suggesting lebron better than mj lol
Aloha Snackbar didn’t Shannon put mj above lebron ?
@@kobethegreatestlaker5324 he doesnt anymore lol
Aloha Snackbar well he isn’t anymore after 2018
🤣🤣
Nobody got Javale Mcgee in their top ten? Absolutely disrespectful
Kool AIDS-Man Finally someone agrees with me!!!!
The only top ten list javalle mcgee would be on is Shaqta a fool
*Pierre Two Times
Brian scalebrine. Wya
RIP Kobe Bean Bryant. U were the reason I started playing basketball. My prayers go to kobe, Gigi, and his family. Mamba out ✌️ 🖤🐍
Then why you have AD as your profile pic ?
FACTS.
You stole this word for word from another commenter.
This was the best period of the show when skip broussard and Shannon were on at once
Why is it so shocking to have Kareem number 1? 6 championships 6 mvps all time leading scorer wtf? He has a claim doesn’t he? Can someone just explain why it’s sooooo shocking?
He’s better than MJ in every category lol 😂
Every category except MJ has six finals MVP to Kareem's two and 10 scoring titles to Kareem's two...Better ppg, apg, stg, per e.t.c
"Can someone just explain why it’s sooooo shocking?" Kareem won 6 chips. Magic was the best player for 5 of them.
@@thsu8 Kareem has 2 finals MVPS bro, an argument can be made Magic deserved Kareem's finals mvp. Jordan has 6>2 Kareem's 2. This basically mens Jordan was the best player on all his championship runs, also Kareem won 2 of his MVPS WITHOUT MAKING the playoffs.
@@daedot8433 I just said Magic was the best player on 5 of Kareem's 6 championship teams.................
Is it me or is the media trying to down grade Kobe legacy?
It's just you
@@jaamal6369 nah lol. Go somewhere with that.
Eric Heart overrated
@@kalix975 nah lol.
Eric Heart he ain’t top 5 🤦🏾♂️
Kobe has become the most underrated great of all time. I guess the hate is real. No other player I would rather have in the league during his career. That includes Lebron and Duncan. Wtf!
Than you need to self reflect...
aldotheapache1000 u must be dumb
Wade
@@papito5ft6 I did I seen him take smush parker and Kwame brown to the playoffs. Also won 2010 wit a broken finger
aldotheapache1000 Rodman is the most under rated player of all time. he doesn't even get on top 50 lists. so disrespectful!!!
9:49 Yo, when Shannon threw Skips paper, I was done🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Skip speaks on longevity like it's a bad thing 😅
How could his average minutes played be longer than 48 minutes? You do know that games go for 48 minutes right?
Unless they go into OT, but Wilt did not play in that many OT games that it would put his average above 48 minutes hahaha
Of course he played OT's. But did he play enough to put his CAREER MINUTES PER GAME AVERAGE over 48.5?
You're wrong, there's no other way to say it, you're just incorrect. I was hoping you looked up his career stats and realized it for yourself.
What on Earth are you talking about?
All I said was that Wilt's average minutes played per game for his career, was not 48.5.
And I happen to be correct.
www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html
this is funny lmao
Kinda sux. The great Kobe was alive here, he's just in the top 10. Today, after he's passed he needs to be "Logo". The media is BS
Jason Culhane who cares bro bigger fish to fry. We tryna celebrate kobe not dwell on the past
It happens when super famous people pass early. Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain...... all deified after they died. Their deaths were as spectacular and shocking as their careers. Adding to the mystique. the younger you are the more significant it is to you also. Kobe is a textbook example. If he deserves it or not is subjective. He’s not in my top 10, but that’s my top 10 lol you don’t have to like it.
@@scarfface4682 I'm dwelling on today actually. Just because someone passes away it shouldn't propel them to an elevated status like a "GOAT" when just prior he was only in the top 10.
Jason Culhane Being the logo does not mean you are the goat obviously. That’s not the debate.
@@scarfface4682 He should have been considered the "Logo" before his passing, not after.
Shanon: “bill had 7 HOF on his team”
Skip: “ohhh please they were all a bunch of guys”
BRUH LMAO WAHT KINDA EXCUSE WAS THAT
😂😂😂😭
Just a bunch of white guys😂💀
Skip as usual knows nothing. 1) Sam Jones, KC Jones, Satch Sanders, Wayne Embry, and Willie Naulls were not white. 2) Besides Havlicek, Cousy, Heinsohn and Ramsey would have ben all-stars in any era against any color players. 3) Color does not make one great 4) If that comment was reversed, he would have been fired for making such a racist and stupid comment
Harrison93996 yes right tho
If Kobe's not in your top 10 your crazy
He’s 9th or 10 on mine
@@vincegonzalez6804 I could make an argument for 10 players better than Koby but I can see 9.
Oscar, magic, Kareem, wilt mj, hakeem, shaq, tim duncan, lebron, bill Russell. I could name more.
@@mcdiesel7505 Lol Kobe has all them dudes beat ill give you jordan
@@kobethegoat4l789 Has he ever won an MVP?
the disrespect to kobe is unreal.
Javei why
Donald Pace I'm with you.. Kobe isn't top five. Only two finals MVPs one regular season MVP, 20 years...alot of shots alot more misses...alot of playoff early exits...in fact Kobe has just as much playoff losses as lebron been in the finals
Twerk inc. not
williemack83 your comment was stupid and wrong lol with no context. You didn’t watch kobes career so you wouldn’t know 🤷🏾♂️
Twerk inc. Outdated trash videos. All of them say LeBron now. Go cry
Of course when Kobe dies ESPN and all the haters start to ride the bandwagon and show “respect” on his name.🤦♂️
Makes sense. Dying young always makes a legacy seem so much greater.
Marcus Watson it’s fake love which I find phony af
Elvin Seudieu and the fake love for Kobe is 2 weeks old too
@@Farbauti616 true
@@Farbauti616 dude ur so immature so what do u want them to do just ignore his death at a yung age with his daughter
Chris disrespecting Bird by not including him in his list. Skip disrespecting LeBron for ranking him 9th.
Chris stopped at 7. He didn't finish his list
@@aye_jay23 Bird should be in the top 7.
@@aye_jay23 bird is 6th at worst
@Stang. Don Larry is the same level as Magic.
@Stang. Don yes he is Smdh shows u have no basketball iq
In his prime Kobe was unstoppable. Closest player to Jordan we ever got
KOBE and Michael it's Defferent..
yeah cause LeBron is far better than both
@@ivblizzard3616…at losing with WAY more help 😊
@@ItsYurVatoAlex he actually had far less help than both
@@ivblizzard3616 Kobe had shaq and pau gasol. Lebron had dwade, bosh, kyrie, love, and Davis. Lebron has always had at least one other all star on his team since the first time he left the Cavs
The disrespect!!!! This shouldn’t even be a question to debate.
Rock Lee FAX
I'll take Kobe any day of the week, in the clutch or out the clutch..lol people would crucify Kobe if he had a losing final record..but not bron..ion get it
Imo kobe is not top 9 so it is fair to debate...you can't put him over Kareem magic wilt Russell James mj Duncan shaq bird imo..and there's Moses Karl oscar hakeem d wade as well who all can claim to be top 10 but I would give it to Kobe....he deserves 10th ...
Asmosis Jones there's no way I got Bron over Kobe, how you compare 3-5 to 5-2..lol forget championship rings what level of competition does bron go against really? the east has been cake since 09, that's why his final record is what it is he beat down on 2 teams in the playoffs an get ran in the finals..bron a stat sheet stuffer who can average a triple double in the finals and be okay with losing..i don't get that at all
Drako Da Kid I want to see Kobe go against a team the same caliber as the Warriors like LeBron.
How does Kobe go from being
1. The carbon copy of the greatest player ever.
2. Argued over who's better out of him and LeBron - who is easily in the top 5 maybe 7.
3. The greatest Laker ever (according to Magic Johnson's owns words-not mine)
To now being questionable if he's in the top 10!?!?!? I don't get it🤷🏾♂️
Everybody knows that magic didnt really mean that he was just being kind. Anyone that puts kobe over kareem magic or lebron just doesnt know basketball
@richard sanchez in what?
@richard sanchez tell me what can kobe do that lebron cant
@richard sanchez Lebron is better in :
-Finishing at the rim
-Assisting the ball
-Rebounding
-Defending in general
-Creating shots for his teammates
Kobe is better in:
-Shooting
@richard sanchez are you telling me that kobe is a better defender than lebron
The Kobe disrespect is just disgusting
Gorgeous Goon really is bro I don’t even argue anymore
damariun wilson me either
mann kobe if anything should be second
of course, ranking him top 7-10 of all time is disrespectful.. idiot.
Jyrik Gauldurson he’s top 5 all time no debate
I've watched this at least four times now
CHRIS IS FINALLY SPITTING STRAIGHT FIRE AT SKIP OVER HIS BIASED HATRED OF LEBRON AND TELLING HIM THE ACTUAL FACTS
D Linderman he was stuck
All skip says is 3-5....yeah but it's not 1-7.....its 3 finals mvps and 4 mvps...3 rings still ntter than most...sorry LeBron got to more finals...that's a good thing...id rather be 3-5 than 3-0...losing before the finals isn't on the record but its more embarassing...lebron never been beaten in round 1....every other legend has ... ...2 gold medals and 2 all star mvps...you cant win any more than that and he was robbee of the 2011 mvp and the 2013 defensive player of the year...in the last 15 seasons only 1 player has won mvp and finals mvp in the same year...lebron james....he did it twice...
Asmosis Jones: Preach brother. Preach. I totally agree with everything you just said. I truly believe that when he retires, LeBron will have firmly established himself as the best of all time.
And joy Taylor defending skip to get that paycheck
Asmosis Jones LeBron wasn’t robbed of MVP in 2011.
The amount of disrespect shown to one Hakeen Olajuwon in these vids
Marcelo Bernardi If u going peak I honestly think Hakeem is better than kobe
Hakeem can be 11....Moses and Oscar got real beef....
Asmois jones honestly I think hakeem, Kobe, oscar, bird, duncan, shaq, and russell are all interchangeable outside the top five and two have to left out of top ten
My favorite player. It's shocking, how much disrespect he gets. Even Shaq, said The Dream is the best center he ever played.
Agree Hakeem and Larry Bird are so underrated in these debates both are in my all time fav line up ever, nothing but disrespect being shown towards both
Disrespect towards Kobe Bean Bryant is tragic
nick hover kobe is a direct product of jordan but i don’t think u can say that bron is a product of anyone so that’s why he’s second to michael imo
nick hover don’t forget most missed shots in nba history
@@dhdydbemjxgcn2141 That's because he always shot the ball. Who was he going to pass it to? Smush Parker? Kwame Brown?
@nick hover It's okay to copy players. MJ was Kobe's idol growing up.
nick hover Kobe is not even top 10
Such an icon, rip Kobe and Gigi, still can’t believe it and it’s been over a year 💜💛
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No one gives hakeem any credit he is probably the most skilled big man of all time, and also the guy that destroyed your so called most dominant player shaquille O'Neal in the finals
Thanks i think hes the best center skill wise defense no question hakeem should be top 5 kareem wilt and shaq could not check him
Shaq was in his third year, so thats not really a fair comparison
They always sleep on Hakeem
kostas pap bigger impact Shaq?
Yea....the dream never averaged a Quad double...as a CENTER
@kostas pap hakeem never had star players like penny, kobe, and wade
The disrespect this man gets never ceases to amaze me. Why is this even a question??
Kawhi is in my top 3 fo sho
@@retrozzfuzionzz8677 kawhi got choke by the murray-joker:>
@@dobedap99 got two more rings than "bubble murray" and jokic lmaoooo
What goes around comes around. I remember when they compared Kobe to Lebron🤣🤣🤣🤣 sayin he better🤣 now they debating if ole boy is even top 10. It’s hilarious how the tables turn
@@retrozzfuzionzz8677ok?
Hakeem Olajuwon belongs in the top 10...period
Amen!!!!!!
Top 15 but not the Top10
Which 10 you got over The Dream?!?
Mike Odunze facts
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LeBron James
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I have Kobe top three an I always have I guess I just thought everyone had him there because he was the closest thing we ever got to a nother Michael Jordan and his insane mentality
I always say this bro. If he is the closest thing to Jordan and Jordan is the the best. Then Kobe is 2nd best. But Kobe is my Goat
He's definitely not top 3 but he is top 10 by default
To me he's defs better than Lebron and Top 5 easily. But personally, I rank him top 3 cause he's the closest thing to MJ and more skilled than anyone.
@@KyleC11 Nah better than Lebron is crazy 😭😭😭. Unless you mean skill and not rankings
He’s the closest to MJ stylistically but as far as greatest players ever, there’s like 6 guys that accomplished more, so he’s like 6-8 all time
Kobe is so disrespected to where GOAT talk is borderline corny
Darius Robbins facts they was saying kobe was a top 4 player ever in 2010
@@coreytrepagnier9343 What did they say when he scored 81? Best player ever. Jordan's the GOAT, but in their positions I would want Kobe or Jordan. No one else compares, imo.
@Sterlin Jordan guess kobe better than ur mom
gimme a break, he tried to one up MJ but fell short. Being the poor mans anything is gonna knock you down any GOAT list. He wasnt a great shooter, a great passer or a great rebounder! He wasnt the best at anything he did except taking the most shots on his team. If he was a Buck or T'wolf he wouldnt even be in the goat conversation
@@rygesa I mostly agree with this. Kobe had a lot of great moments but was also pretty inefficient. And his insistence on hanging around just so he could say he played 20 years delayed the Lakers rebuild. Fun to watch but no GOAT
1. MJ - No explanation needed.
2. Lebron - The most athletic and versatile player ever.
3. Kareem - The best player for a long time with the most devastating move ever, and 6 rings/6 MVP’s don’t hurt.
4. Magic - Best PG of all time (I believe the gap between Magic and the other point guards is larger than the gap between MJ and Kobe). Best passer, most creative floor general ever & he revolutionized being a big PG.
5. Kobe - Diet MJ, a slightly less talented/accomplished carbon copy of the GOAT.
6. Duncan - Never missed the playoffs, greatest PF ever and the most underrated superstar in any sport of all time.
7. Shaq - The most dominant 3 year stretch ever during LA’s 3-peat, the most dominant player in his prime and his outstanding D was overlooked due to his legendary offensive arsenal.
8. Bird - Leader of one of the greatest teams ever (‘85-‘86), Lebron before Lebron, top 5 competitor ever.
9. Wilt - Look up the NBA record book like Broussard said.
10. Russell - 11 rings, dominant defense/rebounding, a leader of the integration the NBA moved towards. Some say he should be far higher and I don’t want to take anything away from him BUT those rings came with a handful of HOF’ers and only 8 teams in the league.
Solid list
Eric Blake can Lebron play 5 positions,what position does he play?
What do u mean carbon copy,,1on 1 who would win Kobe or Jordan,b4 u answer,think abt what MJ said, he would beat me because he stole my moves!
I would switch 5 and 6, but I like your list.
Eric Blake I don’t know Y not #1 and #2,MJ who did he play against,Lebron, how is this, can’t dribble, what position does he play,can only post small guards, never seen him battle with people his size, very overrated
Kobe is number 1 on my list he kept me out the streets and kept me at the park and in the gym he’s the reason I love basketball I looked up to that man show him some respect I don’t have to explain what he’s done go look at it
Villain Ville obviously the man means more to you than just a basketball player so I can respect that. But it’s really hard to argue he’s even top 5 if we being realistic.
@@smmsmiley2125 no it's not tbh nobody but micheal has his killer instinct or his footwork. Hes like kd but not 7ft and his post game is insane. Cmon top 5 for sure imo.
@@smmsmiley2125 alot of NBA players would pick Kobe or Lebron that says alot
U my friend are an idiot
Villain Ville lmao emotional value doesn’t count
Kobe is the most underrated player in history of sports. He was robbed multiple MVP's. Excellent defender, won 5 out of 7 championship and the killer instinct.
Wrong
🧢
Not even close, he’s pretty overrated if we speak about him objectively
He’s the most overrated since he died we’ve had idiots calling him the goat when he’s not even top 5.
You spelt it wrong, the prefix is 'over'.
The disrespect ESPN gave Kobe after his prime run was over Was disgusting.
Brian Rose legit, they were debating whether he was a top ten player of all time smh
Skip and Stephen A didn’t have him top ten I stopped watching their show for two weeks
Cmon bruh you can make your own list. Its their list
Shavarez Smith facts hurt
This show isn’t ESPN, it’s fox
lets be honest, LeBron made skip famous
LOL definitely not a skip fan but saying LeBron made him famous shows your age you must be like what 16 years old?
@@Stizzfoshizz maybe not famous but he definitely keeps him relevant
You could say that for all of basketball.. even people who don't follow know who Lebron is
Lets be honest skip was famous when lebron was an infant.
@@Musicrecords10 same applies to kobe when ever in a game someone dies to a nade is called a kobe and whenever someone shoots people shout kobe
Kobe is no question a top 10 player of all time.
Oldschoolhiphop LMFAOOOOOO
Top 3?
There is a question
Elwan Jilani what’s the question
ZaZe Blue you could make an arguement Kobe ain’t top 10
Please remember when he blessed us with win after win.
We don’t forget about this angel he will never be forgotten.
Kobe isn't top 10
I like how Shannon said you have Kareem ahead of Lebron but he put Kareem ahead of Lebron and Jordan
wait where is leshannon with his goat james. im actually confused
@@sumwonpharted8402 since then lebron went to another two nba finals and won one.
@@dexterfulbright3066 makes sense
@@sumwonpharted8402 u are a classic Nigerian. This is a clip for half a decade ago
🤣🤣🤣💯💯
"They're a bunch of white guys" -Skip Bayless
StudyVibes the whole league was white 😂😂
Thought I was the only 1 that heard that
🗣️Yo! Hilarious 😎✌️
Hilariously wrong so wrong. Great team, great players and a great leader
Wait wen he say that I ain't hear it
Shannon: Kareem is the GOAT!
Also Shannon: you have Kareem ahead of Lebron? You should be ashamed of yourself!🤦♂️🤦♂️
Nick Zhang 💀
Nick Zhang he has as many rings more points
having kareem at 1 and lebron at 3 and still active with a chance to move up is entirely different than having kareem at 3 and lebron at 9 barely in the top 10
Why? The disrespect to Kareem is real
He's probably under the age of 30 imo
Kobe is the 🐐 And u cant change my opinion
The disrespect here is amazing.
808sandBlvke Only skip has some dis
808sandBlvke ikr
It's just facts
@@user-xy9lv6kk2j 🤡
How are they disrespecting him?
"They're are just a bunch of guys" lmao skip with the ultimate troll
Not really. Most of those guys were just role players who got in the HOF because they won 11 chips.
Chris had the most logical list. Skip is just refusing to give LeBron the credit he’s due lol.
Ain't nothing logical about putting a player w/ 6 Finals losses as the 2nd best player of all time.
That's called fanboyism...
al will still got there 8 times
Snydah mediocre attitude typical of a LeBron fan.
That's like celebrating a participation trophy.
You play to win...
al will I'm a lebron and jordan fan. Idc who anyone calls the goat. But he's definitely top 3
Snydah he's definitely not. Only thing definite is he's top 10
Yes Kobe Bryant is in the top ten
Barley but I have him 10 ahead of Oscar ...and Moses and hakeem and Karl and wade....my top 10 1. Kareem 2. Mj 3. Magic 4. Wilt 5. James 6. Bird 7. Russel 8. Duncan 9. Shaq 10. Kobe.....
Asmosis Jones blasphemous to have Shaq ahead of Kobe
Sixx God6 it really isn't at all. In my opinion it isn't even a subject of discussion. Shaq was clearly the more dominant force and was the better player in LA and comparatively in their primes he was better. Not to mention he also made kobe so much better those three years helping him jumpstart his career
Luke Pelton you also forgot Shaq was in his prime and Kobe was basically still a young pup at the time.
Sixx God6 I said comparitively in their primes. Shaq was the more dominant force he averaged over 30 PER several times something Kobe never did and they were about on par for Win shares as well and Shaq maintained a lower usage % than kobe
video title: Kobe
4/5 of the video content: Lebron
Innacurrate .
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Frostshokula ok making the band and chappelle show..lol that was funny
Frostshokula the hottest of fires indeed
Frostshokula YOUR TOO CLOSE MON!!!
You a legend for this 😂😂
Facts
When talking about LeBron, Skip gives so much emphasis on the number of championships. And still ranked Bill Russell below Jordan, Magic and Kareem who all won less championships.
He gives emphasis to the negative record, just like with Wilt.
Wilt was a better player than Bill ever was.@@shuutsukiyama1553
There is a case for GOAT of all of those in the top 10 list. It all depends on what you value the most.
Juanfra Valero EXACTLY thank you for saying that
Juanfra Valero this is possibly the best comment on this debate ever made
Exactly right. And most of these all time lists are made with biases for certain players or eras anyway.
Yes! I have been saying this for years. None of these, so called journalists, TV and media "experts" ever establish a set of criteria. It's all based on popularity, MONEY (who sponsors them and their employer) and what LITTLE they actually know about NBA history. Many players from the past get disrespected.
Let's establish the criteria:
Here's my top ten list:
Team success in the playoffs
Individual Statistics- Peak Value
Individual Statistics- Career Value
Awards and Honors
Leading the League and/or Setting records
Team success in the regular season
Unselfishness/sacrificing of Individual statistics and honors
Actual Skills/Fundamentals
Athleticism (Speed, Strength etc.)
Intangibles (Leadership, Toughness etc.)
Like you said, it depends on what you value the most. This list could have a different order by everyone who reads it. This list could be completely different from someone else's list as well.
But if these shows actually evaluated players from a list like this, THEN they would have to be fair and objective. Perhaps, then, we could make a list that would be widely accepted. It would take a lot of research and then a lot of air time to discuss it. The results would probably have few surprises. The MONEY driven shows, on ESPN and Fox Sports, will never do anything like this.
Skip asking if Wilt even thought about defense ruined his whole argument. Many people think Wilt could have averaged 10 blocks a game had they kept the stat back then.
The way Broussard said "Lebronnnn Jamessss" and their reactions was hella funny.
Sounds like Steve Urkel
“Did I do that”
The disrespect of Kobe has to stop people use to say he’s not black enough because he wasn’t like Allen iverson with the cornrows and grew up part of his life in Italy they also didn’t like because of the Michael Jordan comparison they didn’t like him because of they said he ran shaq out of town they also said he would never win without shaq now they say lebron is better because of regular season stats they say Kobe had shaq but lebron had nobody but superstars on his team to help him win you young bucks don’t know this but Kobe had everybody chatting mvp in every arena in the league nobody has ever done that before
Kobe came from Europe, of course he ain't Black enough. If Kobe came from the hoods in U.S., you'd have Kobe get made respect from Blacks, but the truth is he's from Euro ball. He'll never get the cred he deserves because of this fact that Blacks view him that way. Sorry, truth hurts.
Paradigm Shift everyone knows that kobe is a philly guy even though he was in Italy for a bit. Do some research.
He also holds the record for most field goals missed in the history of the game, and is behind LeBron in every statistical category in both regular season and playoffs, but whatever floats your boat.
Misanthropy so did Jordan when he retired also Lebron takes mostly lay ups don't ever bring up fg% plus kobe spent three yrs on the bench three yrs with bums and 3 yrs injury ridden
Jermaine McClain the garden has never chanted mvp to Jordan he killed them to much
This is so disrespectful everytime I watch it
the funny thing is they not only direspecting kobe they disrespect everybody just to give lebron a case saying he better than bird and magic these morons dont know a damn thing
It is disrespectful
@Xantoven oh yeah he way better thte only reason he aint got six titles cause mike and larry took them from him, who lebron get his titles taken from ? how many he actually got?
F1nalB0zz wait wait you think Magic and Bird are better than LeBron Lmao😂😂😂 I’d love to be a gm against you
ikr
It's crazy because before Kobe retired they had debates on if he is the best of all time.
Never
Not goat but a lot had em top 3
@@YungBZTop 3 is GOAT status wdym?? Anyone in the top 5 has an argument to be the GOAT
Respect the fact Shannon has Kareem #1 all time he gets no love. 6x champion, 2x Finals MVP, 6x MVPs, All time leading scorer, 3rd all time rebounder, 3rd all time blocks. If ppl want to talk about stats then there you go.
mr cheese all the oldest coaches n players always take Kareem number one
Big Serg that's about it bro. This new generation need to put some respeck on it!
I have him and 2nd all time, mainly because hes just not as skilled as Jordan.
The fact that this is even a debate is hilarious and proof how the NBA media has always tried to degrade Kobe
Your really reaching flat earther
Overrated, either Vince Carter or T-Mac replace Kobe, they would get those 3 rings as well. Put Kobe on Raptors lineup or Knicks, he will be nobody today. It's all about who you play with!!! When Master Zen and Shaq left, Kobe's team were pathetic at best. Ultimately, return of Zen Master + All-Star Pau Gasol to save his a$$ legacy.
Alpha Beta you trolling right ?
Kobe is clearly top 10. However he is not top 5
kobe who?
Skip really? 😂 The LeBron hate is crazy 😂
It’s not hating if it’s the truth
John Borbon You seriously think LeBron is the 9th best player all time? Seriously?
Bari Bari RIGHT
Bari Bari protagonist antagonist it makes the show you gotta have a LeBron hater thats why the show is so good we wait for skips reactions
He gets paid to hate LeBron
"Michael Jordan ONLY went to The Finals SIX times". - Shannon Sharpe.
KEKW
Compare to the rest , Lebron 10 , Kareem 10 , Magic 9 , Kobe 7.
Went to the finals less times but has more rings?? Damn😅 what are you gonna say?"He pLaYeD plUmMErS
Honestly your all debating this but hate it or love it, everyone they are talking about is retired while LeBron probably still has a good five years left in him. Maybe even more if he takes lesser minutes. He may be out of his prime but still the best in the league and I think he will keep this up the next three years.
Playing better than he ever has but he's out of his prime... lol
2Pac Remix That was the same case with Kobe back in 2010.Especially when he was playing out of his mind against the Suns in the WCF going through to chase his 5th ring..Many people were making cases to put him over MJ just like with Lebron today.
Most guys were just kids back then or dont remember this because generally people tend to forget but this is totally true.
love your Pac remixes by the way
You can kinda argue he still in his prime he putting up Amazing numbers still he will be top 5 in scoring maybe 3,2 and top 10 in assist you can't say he's not a top 3 guy his longevity and his numbers in his latter years is what impresses me the most its like LeBron still playing in Miami except he looks older lol
2Pac Remix lebron is legitimately at his peak right now. Still in his prime! No one has dominated at this level for this long
Skip should never call someone petty
No show 2k right
I understand if people put Kareem at #1. Dude is extremely underrated
LedZep's X If Jordan is 1A GOAT.. Kareem Abdul Jabbar is 1B GOAT
Kareem won 6 chips and Magic was the leader for 5 of them. But please, tell me more about how Kareem is the goat you clown.....
This was the opinion of Kobe before he died, but everyone swears that he was always “top 3” and its not just cause of his death
yes I know I wasn’t crazy
And the idea that he wasn’t top ten was stupid before he died and is still stupid.
Notice also that Shannon had Bron ranked #3 all-time here, but all of a sudden he flipped to calling him duh 🐐
After he dropped 60 in his last game, I thought he was easily top 3 all time.
He easily top 5 man only ppl u can argue better then him mj lebron kareem
"Just a bunch of white guys" lmao Skip would know😂💀
Honestly Kobe had such a huge impact culturally as a basketball player that he deserves to be considered top 5, he is a legend
Having an impact on culture has nothing to do with basketball. He’s definitely not top 5
Top 10 yes, top 5.... nah..... but yes.... I have kobe over Lebron.
@@dennisjr77 So Lebron isn't top 5? LMAO
Knicks 4 Life no
Based on that Allen Iverson would be top 5 too. Cultural impact has no relevance on talent. Kobe is bubble top 5 just based on skill though. I’ve got him around 6/7
Best Basketball player or all time.
1. Lavar Ball
2. Mj
3.Kobe
4.Lebron
LeBron before Kobe
@@epicmegacore nope all Lebron has is size on kobe that's it. Kobe is a reflection of MJ
@@Brotonik yea but not as good as MJ. He is a reflection of him but not good enough to be better than LeBron OVERALL imo
@@epicmegacore kobe is better than LeBron hes won 5 championships. He can carry a team by himself LeBron can't. Kobe has only been on 1 team like MJ.
@@Brotonik that's your opinion. My opinion is that LeBron is better. Debate over
9:31 “lThey’re all a bunch of white guys!” Shannon’s laugh 🤣🤣🤣
No Hakeem ?
Ronald Lassitsr damn
IKR
Underrated career, I put him at number 5
I'd say hakeem is right in front of kobe at #7
I know right. best big man of all time
Y'all be forgetting the real goat Brian scalabrine
White Mamba!!!!
Facts
George Paul na bruh chris dudley !
mindofrez
He had nothing on olden polynice 😂
Skip: Did Wilt even think about playing defense? Yea he just has by far the most blocks in NBA history...
@Michael E they didn't count blocks back then. He was the only player to block Kareem's skyhook 3 times in his late 30's.
@Michael E because of the game footages. And people can easily say he had 20 by watching him. Like if u see a players scoring some buckets u can tell like he had the highest points cause u saw the game. That's with wilt people knew he had the highest but nba didn't record the blocks back then. Imagine blocking skyhook back to back in your late 30's. Also the only one to do so. You can obviously tell he is the greatest ever.
Can’t believe this is even a question
The disrespect for Kobe is unbelievable
Davante Cartwright anyone who puts kobe in their top ten or even a top 25 list is being far more respectful and generous then he deserves.
alp21188 yup and here he is confirmed to be an idiot
Lakers Fan697 a lakers fan calling someone an idiot? Wow
alp21188 wow
you are so dumb, youve prolly never even watched the greatness of kobe. haters gonna hateee
Dose skip realize that team sports are team sports
The Weird guys no, he doesn't
He just does it for the sake of entertainment. Well I hope so, because if he believes everything he says then I'm legitimately worried
"Dose"
If people understood the word "team" in team sports Jordan would not be rated so highly.He barely improved his team his rookie/early years unlike someone like Bird(Improved the Celtics by over 30 plus more wins his first season).Without Jordan the Bulls were still a major force and in the playoff picture, he was the icing on the cake for a very good bulls team in the 90's.
Rest Kobe’s soul🙏
Kobe Top 5 and that is on my hood💯
Bryant Alcorn who your top 5?
T. GO It is Mike, Kareem, LeBron, Magic, and Kobe. Straight like that.
Bryant Alcorn lebron is better than Jordan look at he stats
KxngJay Stats doesn’t determine who’s better
damariun wilson what? Lmao what a dumb thing to say. So if you and I drag race and I have a Bugatti and u have a station wagon my stats are clearly better who's going to win that race ? Exactly
Can we just get this straight? Skip has bias against LeBron.
Part of Skip’s self-identity, is being the biggest fan of the “Greatest Player Ever”, and any threat to that, he takes as a personal insult. I bet Skip was just as bad in denying Kobe ANY sort of consideration for even Top10 player, during his tenure.
Slumped skip is bias against LeBron
BECAUSE HE'S NOT AS GREAT AD THEY SAY HE IS...
Yea and let’s just act as if Lebron doesn’t have media biased towards him at the same time? Max Kellerman, Shannon Sharp (this man wears a goat mask with lebron’s jersey whenever he has a good game if that’s not bias then I don’t know what is), Nick Wright, Colin Cowherd.
Yes he does
No Hakeem ...... SMH
TheSmilingtooth agreed
Better than Shaq lmao
@@0rganfarmer debatable
Chandler Smith No doubt. Just feel like Hakeem’s athleticism set the barometer for the Center. Also need to watch more footage as always lol. Prime Shaq probably higher.
@@0rganfarmer Hakeem was great but Shaq was better no doubt
one of my fav all time undisputed segments. sad to see shannon leave today but a lot of great memories for sure.
It’s like we all forget that Kobe is third in all time scoring for regular season and 4th in the playoffs. In his 20 year career he was selected 15 times to the All NBA Team, 11 of those to the 1st team,12 times to the All Defensive Team and 9 of those were 1st team. Had an 81 point game, the second highest in NBA history. Won 5 chips for purple and gold, an MVP(robbed of 2006 MVP), 2 finals MVP. But then again Kobe’s goal wasn’t focused on winning MVP awards, it was always about the championships. MVP only covers one regular season at a time and has limited value in measuring all-time greatness. Finally, at 37 years of age, on his final game, in the city of angels, wearing the purple and gold he loves so much, he managed to score 60 and set the season high for most points by a player in a game!!!!!
Jose SC facts
magic - 13 seasons 13 playoff appearances 5 finals 5 finals mvps, led the league im steals twice, 9 time all nba, 2 time nba mvp, 3 seasons with 22+ ppg amd 11+ apg. and your point is sir.
Jose SC flat out baller
Volume shooter....if he has a bad game he acts like he hurt all the time....and he wasnt the best laker during the 3peat , shaq was
Because people are starting to see that Kobe is a volume player, not an efficient player and his playoff success can be completely tied to two players, Shaq and Gasol.
So it starts with talking about Kobe, but turns into talk about Lebron, and others? Damn the disrespect is real
Kobe is overrated.
Dude Prekk Kobe is top 5
@@ashantinyongo7632 yeee.... top 20 wud be a good fit
Hes like number 11 like right outside the top 10 lets be real
He sure aint in the goat convo either mj and bron>>>>>>kobe
I don’t even watch basketball I just like watching them argue with skip
Lol what do you watch football??
Shannon finally gives Kareem his respect. Number one for the goat.
Skip's list:
1) Jordan
2) Ray Allen's shot that was heard around the world
3) Tim Duncan
...
2048) LeBron James
lol Skip's list:
1.Jordan
2. Tebow (could have played in nba if he wanted to)
3. Johnny Manziel (same as Tebow
LeBron not on the list at all.
Don't forget Sean Lee.
1.) Jordan
2.) Kareem
3.) Lebron
4.) Magic
5.) Kobe
6.) Shaq
7.) Wilt
8.) Larry Bird
9.) Tim Duncan
10. Bill Russel
Best list I’ve seen in a while id prolly switch Shaq and Kobe tho those three finals Shaq was the best player on the floor
Shannon is so funny 😂. When he yells it’s one of the best things in the world. Nothin but love for Sharpe but you can’t put MJ at 2 lol.
Daniel R He was just being funny, get off mj meat
Why not lol 1st in points ,8 rings ,2 as a assistant coach, 3 NCAA championship 4 high school championship, 3rd in rebounds and blocks ,6 MVP played on 3 different era the man is the greatest Basketball player ever so y’all research.
Those stats are so off
He absolutely can. What people apparently don’t realize is that these things are ALL subjective. MJ isn’t objectively the best because there’s no way to objectively determine that. There’s no set prerequisite for saying who’s the Best. That’s why people have arguments involving so many different players. There’s no specific list of criteria set in stone for that. So what people do is work backwards... They pick their favorite player first, then build an argument around it where they sprinkle in the Statistics and Awardd that suit their argument.
yonis Hassan agreed you can debate Kareem or MJ interchangeably depending on preference. Both bodys of work were incredible.
They ALWAYS bashed Kobe. But his PEERS NBA players have him top 3!
That’s only cause they “friends “ none of Kobe accomplishments make him a top 3 player
@@lilk247 facts bru
Bc they all hate how Bron claps them ever year 😂
@@lilk247 5 Rings , 2 Finals MVPS, top 5 in scoring, impact, Robbed of at least 3 MVPS, 81 Points, One of the greatest playoff performers ever, 60 Points in his last game and most game winners ever.
@@youngrecklessescoo7079 that still doesn’t mean what you think it does. There is no context to the numbers you listed, for 3 of his championships he was the 2nd best player on the team and that’s not debatable. That plays a big factor when you’re nit picking amongst greats but when you play with unarguably the most dominant force to ever play the center position averaging 38/16 and winning 3 finals MVP’s in a row ON YOUR TEAM you don’t get as much credit as you do for the other 2 chips you can’t just sweep Shaq’s impact under the rug bro lol