Are British Schools Hostile to Muslim children? with Dr Amina Shareef
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- Dr Amina Shareef is Assistant Professor in Education at Goldsmiths, University of London. Her research seeks to understand how Muslim people are unmade as tawhidic subjects-subjects forged in relation to tawhidic worldview in which there is no god but God-and remade as liberal subjects by anti-Muslim racism.
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00:00 Introduction
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I find it pathetic that they pick on children who want to peacefully pray for 5mins. 😢
It is equally pathetic that while Muslims use all kind of tricks to migrate to West (leaving their home-lands) upon naturalization they start hating the western values and want Islamic practices in public places. If prayers are really that important why not send children to the private schools allowing that.
Move to a Muslim country
disgusting that children are brainwashed to pray to the 4skin eating god of Abraham
You know, surely its better than kids doing mischief and getting themselves involved in crime.
developing menace
Im in my 40s now but this whole issue has transporeted me back to my school days in the 90s where every little expression of our religion was challenged and undermined by the school community. Its isolating and as a child its daunting to deal with so I admire this young woman for taking her school to court
Bless you, same!
Every Muslim parent must watch this. Dr Amina is a formidable intellectual.
She is a troublemaker.
Look at her say political Islam is a 'legitimate ideology' then look at what terrible things Islamists like the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS have done!
She can only talk as an Assistant Professor here in the UK. Under the Taliban she wouldn't even be allowed an education!
@@ankhmorpok1497 Western secular countries have done far worse. The US, UK killed far more people than any terrorist.
Even back in the nineties and early 2000s our children were provided with a room to pray in and we had an activity room for those whose parents wanted to excuse them from the nativity play and during Ramadan to rest during lunchtime and that was primary schools.
As far as I heard the congregational prayer was also well established in many high schools
It used to be but now any organized prayer is forbidden in the schools.
Sorry to hear that. Allahu ul musta'aan
Y do u pick such schools when u know they’re like that?? They’re not ur slaves. This is a free world. They have rights to believe as they want
@@RojaJaneman Well because Muslims too are equal members of the school community with the same chance to influence and be influenced. It was not a Christian school although the majority back then came from a post Christian cultural background and a number of families came from a cultural Muslim background not particularly interested in practising the religion. By it's nature if you believe in something you want others to know about it and benefit.
@@saraharold3670 exactly equal. NOT superior. If other kids don’t force their beliefs on u, u must extend d same decency and courtesy. U don’t get special treatment
I think the kids at the school should all pray at lunchtime, they can't get them all in trouble. This is what you have to do, to combat disgusting rulings that are put in place.
They should all b dismissed. U can’t force theology on public organizations. That’s anti-democratic and a violation of their human rights.
@@RojaJanemanhow did you equate praying with forcing theology?!
No you shouldn't because they don't know what prayer is, infact your making your children commit shirk i.e acting out rituals that the parents have been doing and not letting the children mature into adults to find their way of supplication and how they wish and understand to approach the Source
Look up Zoroastrianism and khayzuran and you will understand why the book never mentions 5 daily prayers and how Hadith have been forged
Eloquence- Allah Humma Barik!
It's so interesting how what Sis Amina talks about British schools, many muslims worldwide living in muslim countries, too can vouch, their schools, their teachers, all made them feel inferior as muslims!
The colonial past still haunts our muslim identity - living in muslim countries!
I know an ex homeschooling mum here in UK, her daughter does niqab. She goes to a Catholic school now .. she prays in the school too!
We all have our own journeys, I have found British people quite accommodating to Islam
The narcissistic liberals or the aplogetic muslims in the muslim countries sometimes make you feel more inferior since their vibes stem from a deep-rooted sense of inferiority within their own selves.
The British, having their own sense of racial identity intact, actually behaved quite positively to practising muslim women ...
We have to do the balancing act of integration aswell, it takes two to tango!
Islam is beautiful, most beautiful gift to humanity, and its how you carry your Islam, and how your kids carry their Islam, that will eventually lead them to pave their place .. with character- confidence and creativity!
How do you feel about videos where muslims who were fasting hurled insult at the non muslim who was eating at the break room.
Yes I agree not all British people are the same my daughters science teacher let them pray in the science classroom, during lunch break , meaning trusting them there where there science equipment
I think that shows alot
@@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt
Yes that's bad attitude from the Muslim side
We can get all sorts from both sides that's what makes us insaan
Very true. Muslim majority countries have to do the work in their pedagogy and curriculum. World Bank has ties and impacts!!!!
@@MiladChowdhury-yt8ptFasting meanwhile insulting and abusing others😖 Fasting is not just not eating and drinking but something much deepee
The British court has upheld secularist extremism. It’s one thing to be secular, and another entirely to be anti-freedom of religious practice.
I hope SO. With Brexit, that they will learn!
The court decided to protect the school from some Muslim students acting like a gang eg. telling girls to wear hijab or telling them not to sing in the choir.
List top three organizations that r running/funding this secularist extremism, and their top five agendas to make it happen
@@RojaJanemanthe government itself
Agree, just do not go to such schools.
In the past Fuqaha would say : you can live in the west if YOU want , but do not have your children there. This is MANIFESTLY true.
Interesting. Alternatively we can do more to educate the society around us about Islam and Muslim way of life as many people are very ignorant about it.
The message of Allah s.w.t. spreads with Muslims living all around the world and showing that it is a good way. The ones who fear Islam want to drive us into isolation because they know that the message is powerful and can speak to anyone willing to listen.
@@swordoftree great idea. But the west itself is not conducive to child psychological growth, it lacks friendship and it’s educational system is not and will never be tranquil.
No. If scholars said this, they had blinkers on. Where are millions upon millions of Muslims who live in the West supposed to go??
@@UmmEss Islamically we're not suppose to live in the West. But our parent's brought us here because of the problems in our respective countries. We can all make Hijrah. Living in the west is a choice. I'm planning to leave this prison.
May Allah keep Dr Aminah on right path always . I love how she delivered her ideas.
Yes there is islamaphobia towards Muslim children. My child reports regularly on anti Muslim comments by teachers. Unfair treatment, lack of equal access to opportunities.
Is it like the Asian grooming gangs yeah?
@@user-tm7ld1dx6fthere's many of those gangs sadly, it's a shame that you're fixated on only one ethnicity
@@sshafiq543 what British Christian groom gangs do you hear off?, it's a disgrace it's been aloud to go on for so long because of people that say things like you
@@sshafiq543 even among regular gangs majority like 99% are black and brown from indian continent and african continent.
@@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt Gangs are usually in the most deprived areas and the demographics vary depending on where you're talking about
I work in a majority Muslim girls state school and I have to say that we do have a place for the girls to pray at lunchtimes.
So?
@@MrTruthAndFactsthis is the comment’s section and I’ve made a comment pertaining to the subject matter. Your response to my comment seems a bit juvenile
@@mariokart6118 right right. You believe in British state and its schools. Got you
Do they facilitate their prayer? Having an empty room is different than facilitating their prayer.
@@theHamster624 why should they?
We have the same sort of justifications in public schools in the United States. The argument has always been that they cannot allow religious practice in state funded spaces, thereby showing favoritism to any specific faith when there should be a separation of church and state.
I’ve always wondered though, places like airports are also state and public funded and yet they accommodate common non-denominational “meditation spaces,” so why not in schools?
But if is that child lunch or break time they should be able to take of their salat then in quite place
@@jowairiyyaabdollah5117 well, they can during their breaks if they want to. Problem is breaks are not during the times of Salat. Being secular is how every faith in the States can trust the public institutions. Otherwise, can non muslims expect same services from Muslims and vice versa? Because genuinely be honest, most of us muslims trust the non muslims running things in the States than the Muslims in our home country.
If religious people cannot adapt their practices to the routines of public, secular institutions then they need to create their own institutions and stop complaining.
@@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt
Milad, you don't need to pray same time as Azan. Praying later at break is okay. Just make sure it's not too late, or it will become Qaza. Zuhr and Asr are valid until the sun sets, and Meghrib and Isha are until midnight.
You can pray both Zuhr and Asr at the same time during Asr. The early Muslims in the time of the Holy Prophet would not separate Zuhr and Asr in congregational prayers; they would pray both at the azan of Zuhr.
@@Moses_VII I know. Thats what the problem was about. The girl always prayed at home because break time did not align with Namaz Time. Thus, it was not an issue until Muslim started by muslimi at that school trying to force them to give the girl time during non break hours. Its not that she could not pray, she could not pray during instruction hours.
Sad to see this is still ongoing. When I was at school around 15 years ago there were several islamophobic teachers & school management restricting things like prayer, fasting, muslim student society elections etc. I even remember in primary school a teacher explaining to the class how muslim women were oppressed by the hijab. It was bizarre because a third of the class were somali & their mums wore the hijab & were obviously not oppressed.
What happens to Muslim women who remove the hijab in Iran?
What happened to Mahsa mini when she removed her hijab in Iran?
can they not wear the Hijab and not be killed?
@@dee6340
She went to a Guidance Patrol station (where the officers explain to them hijab and tell them not to break the law), then she had a seizure and died. She even fell in the middle of the station among all the other women before having her bigger seizure.
@@Moses_VII And all that happened around the time she happened to take of the hijab with a so-called morality police nearby. No one is buying your defense of the wicked Iranian regime and it's lies
Love this conversation. I wished to talk with Dr Amina Shareef more! Endlessly interesting and much to do. Where to start?
26:00 Very powerful message and great example. Values are not a singular entity and the values of "freedom" in the West quickly are dropped, when you choose to exercise your freedom in a different way to them.
Everyone prays, even a child, no one can tell a child to pray, a child does that.
Private schools allow Jummah and other prayers.
The main thing here is, we need our kids to be Muslims first before we point our fingers in the opposite direction. Yes, there are issues, but one side finds the gap. Us Muslims needs to find out iman. Parents need to learn and do more to support instil Islam in their children. Islam doesn't come from schools. It starts from the cradle of the home.
I will always be grateful to Tony Bland who introduced me to the idea of Mathematics being from many civilisations and cultures. The idea of algebra, the origins of the zero in our place value system and the founder of Algebra Muhammad Bin Musa Al-Khowarizmi. The origins of many words from the Arab Muslim civilisation. The idea of education belonging to Europe and the hegemony they hold over it. He made us question the idea of where knowledge civilisation originated. A wonderful lecturer who understood what education was.
@@raptorate2872 No, the scholars credited the Indians and the Greeks and then further built on their knowledge. You know, because that's how progress works.
@@MI-vc9lp they never built on anything, they just took credit for others work. Proof is in the pudding, if you want tangible proof, you do not have to look far, since the dawn of internet age, most scholars you mention are still decoding the holy books instead of actually making any scientific progress in the few places that aren't in some war. The ones who did however, did it in the west
@@raptorate2872
Don't you know Muslim Iran is no 11 science producing country in the world?
"Let us remember what secularism is. Secularism is not just segregating religious life into the private sphere. It is rather the determination of the state of what religion is and is not, where and how it can be exercised. In terms of political theology, secularism is the murder of God by the state. The state can delimit, limit, exclude or curtail any religious practice, and thus has the power to determine the quality and quantity of the religious sphere as it sees fit." - Wael Hallaq
Secularism is associating partner gods to Allah ; shirk in Arabic
Hence all Seculars are Mushrikoon , those who associate partner gods to Allah
It is idolatry and polytheism
So it's up to Parents to instill into their children, strong islamic values and to talk to them about issues.So when they do encounter such negative behaviours towards them they have strong foundation to not let it effect their beliefs.
May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!
Alhamdulilah. 💯 Excelent análisis. That type of education for Muslims would power all of us. ❤
Not only British, in Muslim countries too. As the education is entirely imported from the west, western ideologies and ideals are also imported, especially in the top institues. Most of the faculty has usuallly some foreign education or experience.
Strangely enough, people in muslim countries are less critical (if at all) in the academic institutes to these ideas, even though the ones pushing these ideas proactively proclaim objectivty and critical thinking. I mean, both types of people should be critical, the ones who spread these ideologies because that is what they claim about these idelogies, as well as the muslims because new ideas in any society do usually face some questioning, debate or discussion. This whole system produces overconfident, outspoken, politically active type people who don't take Islam seriously, and timid, confused muslims who value Islamic values, because the system pushes the ones, put down the others from an early age.
Correct. I call them Western puppets or Western NPCs
Thats the all Education System. In islamic times, educations system taught raping non muslims are ok. A muslims word is far more valuable in court than a non muslims. Public Education managed to convince religion of Peace to become religion of War. Anytime you have organized system of education, it suits whatever the rulers want it to do. Does not change in the West or Islamic States.
the islamic world is deteriorating in terms education BECAUSE it emphasizes religion in the classroom. REMOVE religion from state and education, period. School is not the place to bring your religion.
The West are the most succesful nation states. Frrom democracy to womens rights to economic standards and technical ability and innovation. So it stands to reason that any developing country would want to copy that success.
There is NO alternative Islamic system woth any comparable track record.
That's why people follow success.
As parents we should be vigilant what our kids are being taught and what ideologies are imposed over them. Its too common that kids are being oppressed when instilling their western delusional ideas of oppression. Because often kids arent even allowed to respond back
I wonder if places like UAE or Saudi or Turkey or Malaysia have tried to fix this western curriculum problem in their current educational systems? I am from Ireland and the school curriculum here is very similar to the UK.
many aspects of their lives dictated by western powers
We have to learn both sides history with taking lessons from both sides. Its a part of historical study with critical thinking and analysis such that we dont fall into the same mistakes that occured in past. At the same time, we learn from both as how they succeeded and why.
Agreeing somewhat with you, unfortunately, we are living in an extremely imbalanced times where prejudice, favouritsm, and looking up to people on the basis of finances materialism is prevalent. Hence, the best way to manage this IMHO is to take the good what you can take from there and rest make it up with your knowledge. Parents and students need to research and do extra miles these days.
there are schools in the uae that have uae syllabus for all social sciences and western curriculum for others
In Pakistan, I've heard from a graduate that they teach Darwin for example but the teachers also discuss how it's a theory and in fact the world was created..
جزاک اللہ خیرا
An imperative discussion! Quite informative ♥️
Why can't the muslim community build their own amazing schools. Like the jews.
There are Muslim schools yet they choose to send them to schools where religion is not allowed then cry about it
Money.
I think maybe because of the UK ummah still being somewhat fractured and the fact that everyone wants to be a leader and not a follower, basically give me your money and I'll be in charge
Lack of expertise. Some tried but those schools in the private sector were not very academically succesful.
There isn't a future for Muslims in the UK. I don't know why you keep thinking about bandaid solutions. Within the next few decades expect bigger leaps in their rules and enforcement.
Very enriching discussion. Thank you both.
That is why it is very important to have an Islamic school even on weekends which promote muslim values and inform pupils about Islamic history and success
Say no to Islam in Europe. Islam is causing many problems in Europe. Look at germany, look at sweden, look at Londostan. Need to follow the netherlands.
Islam teaches that a believer (because of his True belief) is Superior. The kufr civilization will have its downfall it is only a question of time.
Qu'ran 3:178 And let not those who disbelieve imagine that the rein We give them bodeth good unto their souls. We only give them rein that they may grow in sinfulness. And theirs will be a shameful doom.
Absolutely true and true and true in the real sense. ☪️
@@sR-kf9ibthis is why nobody trust you...bite the hand that feed you
What a dumb point to make. As if the West and western civilisation does not consider itself and its values as superior too and tries to spread democracy and liberal values all over the world.
Why is that OK and not Islamic supremacy OK? You are heavily biased.
Thanks for sharing this educational content.
The teachers even mock them for having ambitions. They say,oh! Your mummy/ daddy wany you to be a doctor! This is in primary school. Then they put the kids in low ability groups.
well yes, because the religious indoctrination removes critical thinking which is crucial for high skill jobs. Muslim migrants are shown to be the most dependent on social aid compared to asians, indians, etc.
And then they poach doctors from South Asian countries.
@@raptorate2872 He was talking about mocking children. Why are you talking about religious indoctrination? And you want to accuse us of not thinking critically, when most of you lot are indoctrinated into secularism?
@@fberki
Not just Asia, even Africa
Every bad side has a good side. It’s a wake up call for Muslims in uk. We are growing in numbers so make Islamic schools for our children.
Jazakum Allah khair May Allah bless you and your family
me and my brothers were always picked on at school. Yet as kids, you never answered the teachers back!
Assalaamualaikum wrwb
Brilliant conversation - so much background information Subhanallah
The conversation was just getting interesting towards the end - could’ve continued and advised on how to deal with the lack of platform in schools for a conversation regarding the Palestinians
It was offered with the Ukrainian/Russian conflict - even counselling was offered
And whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger and fears Allah and is conscious of Him - it is those who are the attainers ~ Qur’an 24:52
so the palestinians are attaining . . . cool
An inconvenience truth..
Muslims should take action.
excellent guest, please have her come on again
"Prevent has defined extreamsism as against western values but now the ideology against democratic systems".
Imagine if this were Jews instead of Muslims. Do you think they would be treated the same?
Yes they would. Religion does not belong in the classroom.
@@raptorate2872 you obviously have a comprehension problem. No one is talking about forcing any religion in the classroom. We are talking about anti Muslim bigotry peddled by racists in school and government and the media. Do you agree or disagree that all people should be treated with respect and dignity? If this were the reverse and Egyptians treated Jews like this in society would you accept it as well? Because the majority of reasonable people wouldn't accept bigotry against anyone but apparently they do in Europe
Yes, the ruling is for everyone. Kafirs believe in humanity.
34:12 As a homeschooling parent, I agree in the radical transformative potential. Muslims need to do more in this sphere both individually and as a community. No parent should hand over their kids to a state or private institution to brainwash their kids to see the world from a secular paradigm. Our kids are an amana and we will be held accountable for who we hand our kids over to.
...انَا اختكمَ مَن اليمَن وّالَلَه ماتكلمتَ الَا من جوّع وًّمن الفقر انَا وًّامَيَ وًّخَوًّاتَيَ تَشَرَدَنَا مَنَ بَيَوًّتَنَا بَسَبَبَ الَحَرَبَ نَحَنَ فَيَ حَالَهَ لَايَعَلَمَ بَهَا الَا الَلَهَ حَسَبَنَا الَلَهَ وًّنَعَمَ الَوكيَلَ فَيَ مَنَ اوًّصَلَنَا الَى هَاذا الَحَالَ 💔💔وًّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ مَا كتَبَتَ هَذا الَمَنَاشَدَهَ غَيَرَ مَنَ الَضَيَقَ وّالَفَقَر يَاعَالَمَ حَسَوّا فَيَنَا ارَجَوّكمَ وّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ رَبَ الَعَرَشَ الَعَظَيَمَ انَه الَاكلَ مَا فَيَ عَنَدَيَ بَالَبَيَتَ وًّالَلَهَ يَا اخَوّانَيَ انَهَ خَوًّاتيَ بَقَعَدَوًّ بَالَيَوًّمَيَنَ مَافَى اكلَ وًّالَلَهَ وًّضَعَنَا كثَيَرَ صَعَبَ نَحَنَ 6 نَفَرَ دَاخَلَ الَبَيَتَ وًّابَيَ مَتَوًّفَيَ وًّلَا يَوًّجَدَ مَنَ يَعَوًّلَ عَلَيَنَا وًّسَاكنَيَنَ فَيَ بَيَتَ اجَارَ لَانَسَتَطَيَعَ دَفَعَ الَاجَارَ الَلَيَ بَاقَيَ عَلَيَنَا ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين من الحرب انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 15 الف يمني والان علينا 45 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي وخواتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه خواتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967717415667 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير ساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا،.،.،:^:؛^:🎉°~°~^~°^π√^π√~π~√~√~π^~^~π~π~√√~~ππ~π√~~^^°^°€€لب🎉🎉❤❤🎉❤🎉🎉❤🎉.....،....،
Beware of scam.
38:41: great definition and discussion on secularism. The government reducing the scope of religious teaching and values by definition is no neutral but actively managing an anti-religious program.
Such a brilliant episode, full of information and knowledge 🤯
Definitely. Right from Primary school.
Thank you for this, very informative
This is brilliant,
Mashallah Dr. Amina Shareef is so knowledgeable. Great discussion.
She is full of BS BOLLOCKS.
You navigate the way out of Britan. Moving to islamic country would make your life easy.
So many people I know have already taken that advice and moved to Lebanon, Egypt, and Iraq from UK and USA, and they are happy about their decision.
@@Moses_VII did they renounce their British or American citizenship? Or will they leg it back the minute these unstable countries fall to ,political violence and civil war?
Remembger all those Sudanese begging the FCO to get them out when the army and RSF suddenly tirned on each other? lol
Those countries are under the Americans and European empire and their leaders are ruling only with the help of the Western countries. Nearly all the Muslims majority countries are living under the Western empire.
@@mohammedmir777
Living in a Muslim country makes it easier to reduce the imperial influence. People are just too materialistic to take political action in their home countries.
Excellent discussion, now the fight back
It has been this way in Sweden forever, but lately it has become even worse.
Jazaa kAllahu khairah fid daarain
If a child needs to take a few minutes out of his/her free Time during lunch for their obligatory prayer, this is a reasonable request and should be accommodated.
This is indeed accommodated in a lot of state schools as well as in business countrywide.
So don’t be shy to ask your teacher or employer about it….
Our religious obligations are at the least as important as our worldly needs….
Take care….
You should join such a school. Muslims have no right to force their views on schools that don't support that through Taquiya.
Why are they against kids praying? While it takes them less than 10 minutes.
great discussion as always
Subhanallah
Well said. We deliberately took our kids to Egypt and showed where first paper is made. Muslim innovation is important
National history museum has all the things muslims have invented.
What's wrong with praying during their break time? I thought that they wanted to praying during lessons and that's why people are making a big deal out of it. British schools are sh!t anyway.
British education is one of the finest in the world. 20 from 81 ranked in Math, Science & Reading. Not bad when some o9f the better ranked are tiny eg. Ireland, Macao and estonia.
Top Muslim country is Turkey at 36. And they are a secular Westernised NATO country.
@@ankhmorpok1497I've been to British schools. All they do is teach for exams.
@@MI-vc9lp
depends on the school
Wth is wrong with people keep it home or send your children to private schools pay for it not government school.
Secular fascism is here... Won't let children pray for five min
That is familiar refrain of Islamists who fail to integrate. They have option to go to near perfect Sharia compliant countries like Afghanistan.
There is no fascism, that is after life, school is day life.
Playing victim...Islamists are good at it!
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Islam is the Fascism that continues in afterlife ...
@@ricardotelmofernandes9552 Do you condemn etnic cleaning of muslims by z*nists? or are the zios " oh so poor" victims according to you?
French society : Hold my khanzeer..
She is great
Perhaps a stupid question but why is she asking if she can pray in school time, as long as she doesnt do during the class, they vant really interfere or am I wrong? i'm not a UK citizen
In the past, you were right. Now it changed for a strange reason.
Unfortunately they do. Also if you are demanded to go outside for certain breaks or if you are in a crowded classroom praying can be quite challenging. All the schools would have to do is provide a small room for prayer and have a teacher oversee it.
Didn't get this? Why join such a school in the first place then? You can always change your school.
Everything that appears to be problematic for the Muslim today, sounds just like the day to day life of a black person.
Then imagine how horrible life must be for the blacks. Thanks for reminding me that there are people who have it worse than us.
Doesn't compare black people don't face racism for their actions but skin color, even if blacks act according to the rules but Islam wants to be the rule and not act according to western rules and suffer for that
@@adjoaanima7907 You know that Arab, Turkish, Persian, Pakistani, Black and many other non white Muslims face both discrimination because of racism and because of islamophobia?
@@adjoaanima7907 The skin colour comes first but that is simply the initiation process. What then follows is the injustice, of which depending on how far back you wana go, you can take your pick as there’s an abundance.
Muslims are having their cultures infringed upon, many blacks have literally had theirs fully stripped away from them. I don’t wana do a whole session on this but I see the similarities in any case!🙏🏼
@@bobbyd5167 well blacks are not trying to impose their rules and way of life on the British we get hate for merely existing and we get it not only from whites but no black people as well even black Muslims face racism from Arabs, Pakistani etc so it's not the same plight, Hindus aren't facing these issues because they integrate well, Muslims face these issues because they want to be the rule.
This is all nonsense. Every school and university in the UK has a room for prayer. Schools and university can only teach comparative religion and it’s illegal and a sacking offence to promote or promulgate a religious or political preference.
Philippa, please explain how you colour affording children of all faiths a quiet space for prayer ( this was the student's request) as the school showing 'a religious or political preference'?
Although I agree with her analysis of prevent and its racist Outlook towards Muslims, HOWEVER the UK is a secular state with secular institutions.
Salam brothet jalal, please invite the german brother from Realität Islam, we really need international attention!
Say no to Islam in Europe. Islam is causing many problems in Europe. Look at germany, look at sweden, look at Londostan. Need to follow the netherlands.
Great talk, masha'Allah. I just worry about postmodern influence in pushing against a "white curriculum" instead of simply focusing on the main problem of the UK trying to label standard Islamic belief (and possibly other religious beliefs) as extremism and passing laws to criminalize traditional beliefs and practices.
No matter which country in the world you go to, much of its education system will be centered around the culture and people of that country. Do we think that educational systems in countries like China, Brazil, Indonesia, Mexico, Jordan, etc won't disproportionately focus on their local history and the historical people and that any immigrants to those society would feel slightly alienated? Of course they do and of course immigrants to those areas will naturally feel alienated at least a bit. Much of British history (same with American, Canadian, Australian, etc.) will be centered around white Christians. If we spend time fighting that, we lose credibility with many and divert our attention from the main issue. An Italian living in Qatar shouldn't be upset if Qatari history predominates the educational system vs Italian history, despite Italy playing a greater role in major events in history. It would simply be up to the parents of such kids to instill the values and beliefs they want to pass down and not leave it up to the government they are living in to teach our unique beliefs and values.
41:37: I think the point you mention here is great in regards to the need of Muslims to actively educating their own kids, but at the same time also negates your argument that the standard curricula are racist by design. If homeschooling and Islamic education is imparting a "strong sense of your history, your past, your contribution" to children and "doesn't mean you will necessarily become a supremacist of your culture" (which I agree with) and then by extension having an Ango-centric education shouldn't do that to UK's kids.
I would definitely be all for moving back to Muslim countries, but good luck finding one that isn't in war (western colonialism at work) or with ridiculous laws that make it impossible to ever get a residence permit there. Otherwise yeah, if you have the privilege to move to somewhere like Turkey, great, but good luck with that. Turkey's laws by the day are getting more and more oppressive towards immigrants. Really I'm not seeing that there is a place in the world today where a Muslim can live with any degree of stability, a "normal" life where you don't have to keep moving or have trash laws forced on you every other weekend. But then I guess that's just this dunya all over again, not really a permanent residence..
Also jazakumullahu khair for yet another great podcast, I would say you guys are some of the most important Muslim sources of thought on the internet today. Really just humbled by your efforts.
So many people I know moved to Iraq, Lebanon, and Egypt from UK and USA. We prefer the economic struggles and safety struggle in Muslim countries over the struggle for the hearts and minds of our children and ourselves.
@@Moses_VII are you on drugs?
Thousands of people from these Muslim countries are risking their lives on small boats to get to Britain.
@@raptorate2872What's wrong with you? When Muslims are in the UK, you tell us ro get lost, when we leave you become weirdly offended. Also, the migrant crisis started directly because of the West and Israel. Google the 'Yinnon Plan'.
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Those people coming in boats may be greater in number, but they're weaker in heart. They are different from their brethren returning home.
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Thousands are risking their lives to go to UK, but I'm talking about the tens or even hundreds who are doing the reverse.
I think it is your responsibility to ensure your children are aware of their faith and the environment they live in
You must make them understand that diversity and allow them to gain the mental strength in their beliefs and religion and their interactions with their society
In the verdict of the case of the girl who wanted to pray in her school break
From an islamic perspective the Muslimah girl was wrong to ask the British School for her prayer
You do not ask permissions in religious practice from the People of the Scripture if you are a Muslim Believer
Hence you are not following the Qur'an and the Sunnah
It's all about who has the power.
I wish i was friends with this woman and we could drink coffee and talk
This was very fascinating, however, there weren't any solutions put forward to at least try and combat this blatant systemic racism by the state.
The last part of the video is silly. Yes, Muslim countries are imperfect and you still need to focus on educating your children correctly in Muslim countries, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't migrate.
In Muslim countries it's difficult to raise children because of Western influence. In the West, it's impossible, because not only is Western philosophy in possession of soft power like it has in Muslim countries, but Western philosophy also has popular support and the law behind it.
You think Sunday school is enough for Muslim children to do well in the West? Have you not heard about the British government closing down mosqued? One in Maida Vale called ICE was shut down by the government, but the people prayed outside it for some time and they allowed it to re-open after a few months.
I'm with you.
There's a lot of bias because the muslims that live in western countries always find excuses not to leave. It's obvious that muslim countries are 100% better in every metric except wealth. And even if those countries only excel in number of believers and mosques that's better than wealth, because you develop your faith.
@@VerdaderaReligion" 100% better in every metric execpt wealth" lmao the delusion... even the cope In this video is nonsense muslims In the west face about 2% of the levels of discrimination non muslims face in many muslim majority countires 😂😂😂
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In Iran and Oraq, Non-Muslims are treated with utmost hospitality. Turkey too. The Armenian genocide isn't modern; it was before the Holocaust.
@Moses_VII iran doesn't even treat muslims well there, killing women for not wearing hijabs..... or is that the kind of society you're fantasising about?
@@Moses_VII turkey (which is stolen land) demolishes churches and turns them into mosques.....
Surah 33 verse 53
This is a very good video thank you for posting this. However, this is not the only subject that is affecting our children the schools of today are teaching children about two mummies and two daddies. As parents, we need to be very careful and make sure that we are teaching our children the truth because these schools I strongly believe will corrupt the minds of our children and destroy families.
This type of nasty information will create curiosity in children. Curiosity leads to Action and action leads to destruction.
Are there private Islamic schools in the UK?
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😂 Yes and they cost as much as other private schools which basically means only the wealthy can afford.....sooooo where does that leave the rest of the muslim population?
There are, yes. As it stands it can be difficult depending on where you live of course, so we ought to build more, and they're fee paying so hopefully we'll be able to organise endowments at some point, because there's always a trade-off between affordability and quality. We'll get there, though, by God's grace.
Still, we should have access to the large pool of public schools, because when there are more schools, there are more options for better schools or cheaper schools or closer schools. Limiting pur options is disadvantageous. We should protest so we can pray anywhere.
Please invite Sheikh Imran Hosein, He's in UK these days.
This new direction pointed by the court’s decision and the redefinition of Religious values/Islamic Values in the new bill…. As the sister suggests is designed to change the goal posts ONCE-again.
This is where political influence and direction is coming into play….and is moving this country towards an intolerant one with no place for anything Other than Western Liberalism.
We can see the breakdown of our western society all around us, and the gross exploitation in the name of LIBERALISM, a word which basically takes out All reference to any Religion and gives subjective morality - which essentially means every one decides what is right or wrong and their is NO OBJECTIVE MORALITY…
This liberal view and ideology is thus pushing us as a society closer to the animals, who do not have our capacity and capability, and so far from freeing us is equating us to Animals and no more-only catering to our own whims and desires without regard to how it effects us, society, the environment, our relationship with the rest of the world and humanity……
A society needs objective rules, it needs to stand up for values and principles that benefit us ALL rather than a few.
Religion provides such a way and gives direction to all who follow its guidance…this should be encouraged rather than discouraged….
The ONLY-religion that provides such direction and keeps you on the straight and narrow in a very balanced way is Islam, it is everyone’s benefactor and should be studied and questioned (as it asks it if it’s readers) to see the sublime beauty and strength that it’s message and guidance provides….
Take care
InshaAllah, in the Coming years, those who can should make Hijrah to lands where you are more free to practice your religion and removing your wealth, work and efforts too. Be aware that a times comes whe your children are conscripted to go and fight the Ummah in other lands, it is not something that Has not happen before.
you are educated
Verdict
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In the case of the muslimah girl who wanted to pray in her school break and has taken the matter to her school principals .
Islamic verdict is ;
She was wrong to ask permissions to her British School authorities and her parents who have taken this case to a British Court were wrong.
They are seeking judgement from thagut
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Worshippers of Allah who are Muslims do not go to the Thagut for judgement neither they worship the Thagut . And they do not bring partners to Allah and therefore they associate no partner to Allah.
The Glorious Qur'an teaches that the Muslims do not ask permissions from the People of the Book for their religious practice.
The child lives and studies in the environment of the People of the Book and she is not informed about this by her parents who are unaware of it themselves and their Muslim community.
They do not know neither follow the Qur'an neither the Sunnah
are there white European muslims? so how come it be racism? it could be religiousm not racism.
Because Islam has been racialised as ‘not white’ by the ‘colonialist western hegemony’, any discrimination against Muslims or hateful rhetoric against Islam is therefore Islamophobic and therefore racist. This does not include genuine debate or criticism of Islam or Muslims. Many Muslims are white, however Islam is perceived by ‘the west’ as the religion of Black and Brown people. This has been the case since early orientalists encountered Islam and framed Islam and Muslims as barbaric and inferior to Christianity and ‘western culture’. Therefore anti-Muslim hate/Islamophobia comes from the same place intellectually and emotionally as racism towards any other racialised group or religion.
@@ShakirahIbaad So Muslims are not barbaric. By your logic, the West is against Hinduism, Jainism, Buddism, Sikhism, Taoism etc. Do Muslims support Kafirs?
What exactly are western values? Working all week and then spending the week ing drinking and partying. I’ve not yet seen a proper explanation of western values.
Human rights for starters
@@HaleyChain-vw8rr 😂 you really think the ‘west’ truly upholds human rights? One of which freedom to practice your religion (including the freedom for children to practice their religion). Even basic human rights and democracy have never truly and fully been upheld.
@@ShakirahIbaad compared to Muslim countries 'yes
And this about preventing practice of religion in schools , public place, not wholesale practice of religion anywhere.
@@ShakirahIbaad Yes, there are no apostasy laws and forced conversions are not allowed. People can mock Jesus religiously. They do not break religious places to make another.
Muslims not allowed to go non Sharia court
If its the only court available then there is no choice. So its not haram.
Stop flash mobbing them then!!
What about the other way round does islam respect western values
Islam doesn't respect drunkenness, nudity, and rudeness.
Elaborate it please? What is western values? Which one?
@@desweetaaldhiana7729 The one that Muslims are crossing rivers and oceans to enjoy in the west as immigrants
@@desweetaaldhiana7729 The western values that this woman and he family left their home country to enjoy in England. Stop being ignorant.
Islam is not compatible with western civilization
@@desweetaaldhiana7729the culture they came to meet in Britain of course. The British people have a way of life so do Muslims do you respect their way of life?
Children should not practice religion in school...
Religion is a private matter for the individual and should be kept out of educational institutions and places of work. There are provisions for those who place importance on following the tenets of their religion, they are places of worship and faith schools.
And if a child is reading a book during recess that is also their private matter. If a child likes to play football during recess that is also their private matter. If two teenage students are boyfriend/girlfriend that is also there private matter. Why do you want to allow some private matters and forbid others?
And if the school fears that kids observing their prayers would somehow be subversive, they can just provide a room for prayers and let the kids pray there in peace and without it affecting any other student.
Also employers are legally required to permit employees to pray under anti-discrimination laws in civilized countries.
@@90chestnut it's not the duty of the schools to provide rooms for prayer. Besides, Islam is not the only faith in the UK. What if pupils of other faiths demanded the same? Or if those supporting, say, a left wing ideology, demanded the right to sing revolutionary songs? Why do you think that your belief should be any more special than any other?
@@miraladak2314 "What if pupils of other faiths demanded the same?"
How is that even a question? Grant them the space to observe their religious duties during recess. It is called freedom of religion and a fundamental human right that is cut short in the name of "secularism".
@@90chestnut I understand that some Muslim students at Mikaela were acting like gangs eg. enforcing hijab and telling Muslim students to not do Choir Practice.
Thas quite disturbing.
@@ankhmorpok1497 How do you know the teachers aren't lying? And are you going to stop students from praying entirely just because of one incident? That's like banning reading because a group of students are caught ripping up the books. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
If all other Minorities demand for prayer during break time and without hurting other religious sentiments then there won't be enough time for going to the class rather wait for their turn to pray according to the religious belief systems. Other Minorities are not demanding doesn't give you the right to take the advantage, courts might have thought through their wise knowledge not by your narrow mindsets. Anyway if given permission and as we all know kids are kids what if other minorities are non minorities tries to make fun or start to sloganeering which will hurt their prayers, that will be another headache to tackle for schools. Take for instance some schools allow Halal meat what if the other minority parents start to demand for their religious meat selection would the caterer provide numerous meat selections. When I was growing as a child we used to keep all our religious beliefs at home once we wear our school uniform and be as one, some idiots who want to make themselves popular started this divide in the community demanding all such nonsense.
Isn't Britain a secular state?
no, its a Christian State. I know it is confusing, since People believe Separation between Church and State. That abomination exists ONLY in U.S. not in U.K.
@@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt True. The King is the head of the Anglican church.
we are not supposed to live together
Allah comes first , you don’t need to ask permission to pray. I’m a teacher and we pray during lunchtimes or breaks . My school has a strong Muslims presence so if they don’t let us they will be the ones in trouble 😂
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@@raptorate2872 She was joking. Why can't you comprehend something so simple?
@@raptorate2872 When did she mention religion in the classroom? She just mentioned praying privately. You sound like someone with a personal grievance against religion. Perhaps that's why you're so dogmatic.
@@raptorate2872 Religion IS learning you ignoramus. Are you implying that Islam somehow contradicts learning? You do realize that Muslims taught the world secular sciences in the same places they taught Islam in Andalusia and Baghdad right?
@@raptorate2872 The five daily prayers are obligatory for us Muslims and we must pray them at their appropriate times. The only prayer we have to pray right now at work or school is the Dhuhr - the early afternoon - prayer. If someone, during their break or lunch time, wants to privately pray in an empty classroom and is not bothering anyone, that's not harming anyone. We're not trying to enforce anything: rather it's you that is trying to enforce your secular values on us. When I visit my non-muslim friend, I pray at her house. She doesn't feel threatened or as if I'm enforcing anything. You've really got the wrong idea.
Pray when you get home from school Allah knowes way you did not pray on time stop making things so difficult for children in the Quran it says obey the athuraty so stop complaining
Muslims think also😅😅
Some thoughts on Muhammad Jalal:
1. Styled himself as the champion of the British Muslim community on issues such as resisting a pro-LGBT syllabus
2. Lost his tongue and nodded politely when Owen Jones attacked George Galloway for not engaging in identity politics and being friendly enough to the LGBT cause. He allowed the Galloway bashing and couldnt resist partaking (at a time when a significant number of British Muslims are squarely behind Galloway).
3. Returns to our screens to continue being our champion for these causes
Incredible.
(I'm not typing this because im fanatically pro-Galloway, but, as a result of the above, it has become apparent to me that Jalal places political point-scoring well above the causes he supposedly champions).
Your comment is very beneficial. Thank you.