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This is a great run down of the boiler!. I didnt know John was the ONI lord..but i do watch and love his play throughs lol. and yours btw. Keep up the good contend.
you can make it from igneous rock because the heat transfer is quite low and it wont melt, had it for over 1000 cycles and never had any problems, but you can always make whats touching the magma out of ceramic
Hey Mr BierTier! 😄 Your videos are great! I've recently picked up Oni again after a couple of years, and I've now almost watched all of your tutorials! They are extremely helpful!! The explaining and editing is really good, and very easy to follow. And it's unbelievable to me that you don't have more subs!! So this is a big thank you from me 😁 Please keep making these awesome videos 😄😄
I see fj in all your vids and as much as I love him I really appreciate you getting into more details on exactly how to implement his designs. Also, you're more current an some of his older stuff is out of date.
One easy improvement is to have a small step at the top to separate the upper layer from the boiling chamber - the way it's built now, heat travels, via conductivity in liquid petroleum, from the bottom all the way to the top right, negating a lot of the exchanging in the top layer. Also, these kind of boilers suffer from a bug, that deletes heat in right corners where the petroleum falls. Such a bug does not exist in left corners. Of course as long as the volcano is powerful enough, it doesn't matter in the slightest as eventuallty magma piles up. That it piles up slower than it should makes no difference at all. Only if you're using a metal volcano (much weaker), you might want to use a vastly superior exchange design, one that is not affected by the heat deleting bug, such as a waterfall or bead-based one.
Thank you for the info, I was honestly not aware of this. I have built those boilers before in a normal game and never even noticed that issue to be honest, since the temperature of the petroleum usually doesn't matter to me too much. I appreciate the insight though!
there is a little bit nicer solution, that does not need miner. All you need is steel mesh tiles. Drip on mesh tiles, so stuff cannot become solid, always debris. This makes sure you don't need miner, and you will get out twice the mass of igneous rock, so hatches are happier.
I have a real Love- Hate relationship with this Design.I have seen more Bugs with this then with any other design i´ve ever Build (Magma randomly Melts my steel Door, Sour Gas flashes on the Drill, The Top 2 Liquid Pipes break even after the System Run for like 200 Cycles without problem...the List goes on)...but when it works it is just to good not to Build. I´ve tryed this like 8 Times and every time something else goes wrong...yet when i see a Vulcano and do have the Space for it i cant bring myself to ignore it ^^.
I have it only built once before in a normal game and I had no issues with it. I honestly can't remember how many cycles it ran(this was wayyyy before YT) but it should have been easily above 200. I have heard and read about issues though, just haven't experienced them myself. Maybe I will show off something else in the regard of Petroleum in the future :)
I've seen someone experiment with petroleum boilers and figured out it is more efficient (from the temperature gradient perspective) to have a stairstep design. Instead of having a flat shelf that cascades down into another flat shelf, one should do a staircase where the floor steps down and right with the oil pipe, as it ascends, touching all sections of the petroleum flowing down. Once the staircase reaches the right wall you do another staircase going down and to the left. As a result, there is an exceptionally efficient heat exchange between oil and petroleum where petroleum leaves at ~100C in less space.
the miner cant reach the bottom, i had to adjust... The problem i had, was that i had an leaky oil fissure in the way so had to build in reverse. Due to the automation not being able to 'flip' most of it was a mess, just had to shave a tile from next to the metal T, all was well and it never broke :)
Months late, but… you *can* contain magma with Ceramic, since it's usually found at around 1800°C and ceramic doesn't melt until 1850. In practice, even up to 2000°C (eg freshly-erupted) is fine because of fiddly little things like heat-exchange clamping. Given how ceramic is a relatively expensive material and Obsidian isn't terribly useful for much _besides_ magma containment, however, the latter is usually the better choice.
Interesting bug for ya!! If your doors are sideways it transfers all of the heat. If they are upright they only heat up until just before changing crude to petrol. Gamer beware XD
Ich frage mich, warum der GERMAN ENGINEER das Video nicht auf deutsch macht. Englischen Content gibts doch nun wirklich schon zu genüge... How Ever. Schönes Video!
Bruh. Why I even need this waterfall from magma? I can just take temperature directly using 3 door with automatic and a vacuum mechanic (Then u using 3 doors, and u open a second one there would be a vacuum.
That would be possible indeed. With a lone Volcano you'd eventually run out of heat though since the Volcano would overpressure(since no Magma is removed), release no more magma and you keep taking heat out. There are many ways to go about it, this is Francis Johns way and I like the ingenuity, so I made a video about it :)
@BierTier - German Engineer u just need to feal vulcano chamber by water. I saw it on russian ONY segment 2 years ago, and it's still working. U should see it. Then they don't try to kill somebody they preety good at ONY.
Ich habe natürlich einen Akzent, nur nicht mehr so stark da ich seit 2012 in den USA lebe. Die 21 Jahre davor war ich in Deutschland, genauer gesagt Bayern. Geboren und aufgewachsen mit Deutschen Eltern ;)
I really don't like people showing of this terrible petroleum boiler design. It is prone to so many failures it's not even funny. On the unofficial discord we constantly have to clean up the mess from people thinking this was a good design to build. And yourself alo make a lot of mistakes like saying that the insulated tiles touching the magma should be obsidian. They should not be insulated tiles at all. You use airflow tiles as it's a vacuum so there's no thermal transfer at all. It's the same issue in the needlessly big boiler used in the design. In a proper design you make the boiler walls out of airflow tiles because they can't take pressure damage and have no thermal transfer leakage. I could really go on and on about how every single detail in this build is a dubious design decision but I'd advice people to go on the unofficial discord instead because there's vastly better designs there made by vastly better players than Francis John.
I don't know about this unofficial Discord. Give me a link and I'm happy to take a look at it. If I find a better design to show off (with proper credit of course), I'm happy to do so and promote that channel as well. If that is not wanted, it is also fine with me. I'm always happy to learn more and broaden my horizon. And if I then can forward that knowledge to my viewers I'm even happier.
I know this is a month late, but I've run these for hundreds of cycles, the tiny heat transfer doesn't seem to matter. Where can we find a link to the discord?
@@defiantnight2668 The channel number is posted above but you can also google. I cannot post links on youtube so that's the extent to which I can help.
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This is a great run down of the boiler!. I didnt know John was the ONI lord..but i do watch and love his play throughs lol. and yours btw. Keep up the good contend.
Thank you, I appreciate it! Francis is definitely one of the best ONI players out there :)
you can make it from igneous rock because the heat transfer is quite low and it wont melt, had it for over 1000 cycles and never had any problems, but you can always make whats touching the magma out of ceramic
Yeah, ceramic is what I would recommend, better safe than sorry :)
Hey Mr BierTier! 😄 Your videos are great! I've recently picked up Oni again after a couple of years, and I've now almost watched all of your tutorials! They are extremely helpful!! The explaining and editing is really good, and very easy to follow. And it's unbelievable to me that you don't have more subs!! So this is a big thank you from me 😁 Please keep making these awesome videos 😄😄
Thank you very much, I truly appreciate the kind words! I have of course more tutorials in the pipeline and I hope you will enjoy them just as much :)
I see fj in all your vids and as much as I love him I really appreciate you getting into more details on exactly how to implement his designs. Also, you're more current an some of his older stuff is out of date.
Thank you, I love Francis John but thought I would explain it in my style and hope people find it useful :)
Same here, thanks biertier to clarify it more and explqin in details… vielen dank :)
One easy improvement is to have a small step at the top to separate the upper layer from the boiling chamber - the way it's built now, heat travels, via conductivity in liquid petroleum, from the bottom all the way to the top right, negating a lot of the exchanging in the top layer.
Also, these kind of boilers suffer from a bug, that deletes heat in right corners where the petroleum falls. Such a bug does not exist in left corners. Of course as long as the volcano is powerful enough, it doesn't matter in the slightest as eventuallty magma piles up. That it piles up slower than it should makes no difference at all.
Only if you're using a metal volcano (much weaker), you might want to use a vastly superior exchange design, one that is not affected by the heat deleting bug, such as a waterfall or bead-based one.
Thank you for the info, I was honestly not aware of this. I have built those boilers before in a normal game and never even noticed that issue to be honest, since the temperature of the petroleum usually doesn't matter to me too much. I appreciate the insight though!
there is a little bit nicer solution, that does not need miner. All you need is steel mesh tiles. Drip on mesh tiles, so stuff cannot become solid, always debris. This makes sure you don't need miner, and you will get out twice the mass of igneous rock, so hatches are happier.
I have a real Love- Hate relationship with this Design.I have seen more Bugs with this then with any other design i´ve ever Build (Magma randomly Melts my steel Door, Sour Gas flashes on the Drill, The Top 2 Liquid Pipes break even after the System Run for like 200 Cycles without problem...the List goes on)...but when it works it is just to good not to Build. I´ve tryed this like 8 Times and every time something else goes wrong...yet when i see a Vulcano and do have the Space for it i cant bring myself to ignore it ^^.
I have it only built once before in a normal game and I had no issues with it. I honestly can't remember how many cycles it ran(this was wayyyy before YT) but it should have been easily above 200. I have heard and read about issues though, just haven't experienced them myself. Maybe I will show off something else in the regard of Petroleum in the future :)
I've seen someone experiment with petroleum boilers and figured out it is more efficient (from the temperature gradient perspective) to have a stairstep design. Instead of having a flat shelf that cascades down into another flat shelf, one should do a staircase where the floor steps down and right with the oil pipe, as it ascends, touching all sections of the petroleum flowing down. Once the staircase reaches the right wall you do another staircase going down and to the left. As a result, there is an exceptionally efficient heat exchange between oil and petroleum where petroleum leaves at ~100C in less space.
Thank you for that info, that does make sense since there is more area of contact! I may play around with that in the future and see what I can do :)
@@BierTier would love to see a tutorial of that build
the miner cant reach the bottom, i had to adjust...
The problem i had, was that i had an leaky oil fissure in the way so had to build in reverse. Due to the automation not being able to 'flip' most of it was a mess, just had to shave a tile from next to the metal T, all was well and it never broke :)
I have a map with 5 volcanoes! I can't wait to make one!
Countercurrent heat exchange is used in real petroleum refining too.
It absolutely is, the design is vaguely leaned on real life experience, which is another reason why I think it's great!
Months late, but… you *can* contain magma with Ceramic, since it's usually found at around 1800°C and ceramic doesn't melt until 1850. In practice, even up to 2000°C (eg freshly-erupted) is fine because of fiddly little things like heat-exchange clamping. Given how ceramic is a relatively expensive material and Obsidian isn't terribly useful for much _besides_ magma containment, however, the latter is usually the better choice.
Deutsche Ingenieurskunst at its finest
Nicht mein Desing, but I'll take it :D
I find it funny that the way that you say bier sounds like beer and what are Germans known well for? BEER!
BierTier means literally translated "BeerBeast"
@@BierTier did not know that lol I figured it was just an interesting name
@@TheTallOne890 I have used this name online for about 15 years, figured I'd use it on YT as well and not just "German Engineer" :)
@@BierTier very good point
Bier is german 4 beer
Interesting bug for ya!! If your doors are sideways it transfers all of the heat. If they are upright they only heat up until just before changing crude to petrol. Gamer beware XD
Seriously??? I never built vertical doors to transfer heat, has just never happened, lol. I had no idea that's a thing 😂
francis john the ONI and ONLY GOD
King of whisky and chocolate
The amateur-to-professional-in one hour-pc-building-jesus
I wouldn’t deny it, Francis John is the man!
Ich frage mich, warum der GERMAN ENGINEER das Video nicht auf deutsch macht. Englischen Content gibts doch nun wirklich schon zu genüge... How Ever. Schönes Video!
Weil ich in den USA lebe und die potentielle Audience in English um etliche Male größer ist ;)
Danke!
kannst du mal bitte so weit ach unten bauen wie du nur kannnst in deiner haupt welt ?wäre echt nice :D
Ich kann mal schauen ob da was ist das sich lohnt ;)
@@BierTier Nichts als Enttäuschung
Nice nice nice
Thanks!
Bruh. Why I even need this waterfall from magma? I can just take temperature directly using 3 door with automatic and a vacuum mechanic (Then u using 3 doors, and u open a second one there would be a vacuum.
That would be possible indeed. With a lone Volcano you'd eventually run out of heat though since the Volcano would overpressure(since no Magma is removed), release no more magma and you keep taking heat out.
There are many ways to go about it, this is Francis Johns way and I like the ingenuity, so I made a video about it :)
@BierTier - German Engineer u just need to feal vulcano chamber by water. I saw it on russian ONY segment 2 years ago, and it's still working.
U should see it. Then they don't try to kill somebody they preety good at ONY.
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Jeder weiß das deutsche n Akzent beim Englisch sprechen haben, sprich du bist nicht deutsch
Ich habe natürlich einen Akzent, nur nicht mehr so stark da ich seit 2012 in den USA lebe. Die 21 Jahre davor war ich in Deutschland, genauer gesagt Bayern. Geboren und aufgewachsen mit Deutschen Eltern ;)
@@BierTier achso ja dann
I really don't like people showing of this terrible petroleum boiler design. It is prone to so many failures it's not even funny. On the unofficial discord we constantly have to clean up the mess from people thinking this was a good design to build.
And yourself alo make a lot of mistakes like saying that the insulated tiles touching the magma should be obsidian. They should not be insulated tiles at all. You use airflow tiles as it's a vacuum so there's no thermal transfer at all. It's the same issue in the needlessly big boiler used in the design. In a proper design you make the boiler walls out of airflow tiles because they can't take pressure damage and have no thermal transfer leakage.
I could really go on and on about how every single detail in this build is a dubious design decision but I'd advice people to go on the unofficial discord instead because there's vastly better designs there made by vastly better players than Francis John.
I don't know about this unofficial Discord. Give me a link and I'm happy to take a look at it. If I find a better design to show off (with proper credit of course), I'm happy to do so and promote that channel as well. If that is not wanted, it is also fine with me. I'm always happy to learn more and broaden my horizon. And if I then can forward that knowledge to my viewers I'm even happier.
I know this is a month late, but I've run these for hundreds of cycles, the tiny heat transfer doesn't seem to matter.
Where can we find a link to the discord?
@@defiantnight2668 The channel number is posted above but you can also google. I cannot post links on youtube so that's the extent to which I can help.
@@SaturnusDK Oh, I didn't know I could just Google discord links haha, thank you
@@defiantnight2668 You're welcome. Sorry that I can't post direct links in youtube comments.