The show really portrays the Queen to being responsible for them breaking up. In reality, she spent a lot of time devising a plan to let Margaret marry Peter AND keep her titles and salary through a morganatic marriage, where the privileges would not pass to their descendants. It was Margaret who ultimately decided not to go on with it. Team Elizabeth all the way. Margaret made her choice.
In scenes similar to this one, Margaret made it seem as if her life would have been just perfect if only she and Peter had been allowed to marry. I think that Margaret didn’t have what it took to make a good marriage partner. She and Peter would have been miserable if they had married😢
Anyone else ever noticed that as soon as someone gives Elizabeth just a little bit of criticism (in the show) she immediately counters with "that's not fair".
Amen sister. I come a very long line of American colonists and very early pioneers. Agricultural was the ONLY family profession that was allowed. When I applied to an Eastern Art Institute for design. I was heavily criticized and much bullied by my father's generation about how worthless that endeavor would be. I continue to design today but only privately. I didn't go into Agricultural. I found a wonderful man that had and has a passion for law enforcement and we have traveled everywhere doing it. When he came into the picture for me all of the bullying and criticizing stopped, he wouldn't put up with it.
Princess Margaret and king Edward are probably rolling in their graves knowing what they were denied yet now King Charles and Camilla can sit happily on the throne with all their wrong doings….
Yeah...Margaret was the main reason Elizabeth finally allowed Charles and Camilla and Harry and Meghan, to marry, after seeing how the rules debilitated her. As for Edward, his marriage to Wallis was the tip of the iceberg. They had to get rid of him given his personal ties to Hitler and Germany when war was on the horizon.
@@zah936The QUEEN didn't trap Diana, Diana was willfully stupidly naive, and while her own mother was a degenerate harpy, she had a father, brother, aunts who should have supported her when it came to wether or not to wed Charles, but Diana said yes, she knew what what was going on but still said yes, so positive she could make him love her & it failed.
What wrong doings? The one affair with each other? Please, while it is morally wrong its not a crime, it made things awkward but thats to be expected. Now Diana slept around, thats different, Charles loves Camilla but Diana wanted to just cause embarrassment & show her pain that way, so wrong doings all around.
Has anyone else noticed that when people take a drag on a cigarette in The Crown you can hear the paper on the cigarette burning? I haven't heard that in any other series
It’s a trick to subconsciously bring the viewer into the utter stillness or emptiness of the scene. Like a “could hear a pin drop” feeling. Probably in this case to emphasize the formal loneliness of palace life (unlike the comfy noisy squalor of us normies) or maybe in this case the uncomfortable tension between these two.
Margaret knew that she would never inherit the Crown, so she acted and spoke in the most carefree of manners. That seems to be the case with the Royals who don't figure in the line of succession, even at the present time.
Mine too. My understanding is that the late Queen Elizabeth saw the first seasons and was very impressed with Claire Foy's brilliant portrayal of her. And Vanessa Kirby is a beautiful fireball.
Perhaps my favorite scene in the entire series. thank you for posting, the two actresses (and screenwriter, costumes, props) captivated the younger Queen and Princess so perfectly. There's love but tension, and a distinct difference between the two. I love Claire AND Vanessa, absolutely masterful in their roles throughout the whole series, but especially in scenes like this.
Its interesting that Queen Elizabeth's uncle Prince Edward had to abdicate his right to be king in order to marry a divorce woman and Princess Margaret would have been to give up her titles to marry a divorce man, but laws were changed so Queen Elizabeth's children and grandchildren could marry divorce people without giving up anything
@@JGJGAGSG yes and look how yet again how different it was twenty years after that. Andrew and Fergie fine living together unmarried at RL. Wm and Kate openly living together for years too. Times changed quickly!!
Agreed. She was stunning into the mid-1970's, when she would've been in her 40's. By the 80's, all the heavy drinking, smoking, late partying and suntanning started to erode her looks fast.
I would love to have a licensed psychologist psycho analyze the royal family; because I am truly interested in learning how growing up and dying in that type of environment can mentally and physically damage a person.
I'd rather psychologists spend their time analyzing the damages that poverty have on a person and their family. That would help us understand the plight of billions of people around the world rather than the plight of a handful of wealthy elites living in a castle. Who cares what damage these snobs do to themselves?
Something, I read about: people born in higher class/royalty have a greater chance of having issues with developing empathy for others and even themselves. Do with that what you will.
Margaret CHOSE not to marry Peter Townsend because she would have had to give up her huge income and splendidly luxurious life. Scrimping and saving in a two bedroom semi for the 'man she loved' was not an option!
Peter Townsend had an extremely interesting life after leaving the royal household, becoming a successful author and advisor on a number of war films. Margaret would have enjoyed a comfortable life with him. I don't think she had the courage to break away from her gilded cage. Unlike Margaret, he found true love in his subsequent marriage.
Most of us wouldn't have gone along with it at the time. Especially as a woman with little opportunity to make your own income in case something goes wrong.
Claire Foy as the Queen made a faux pas with the table manners. The knife and fork would never have been placed on each side of the plate when resting from eating, they would have been crossed over each other in a closed X form ( tines of the fork over the knife) so that the knife handle at ca 4.5 on a clock and the fork at ca 7.5.
Margaret could have married Townsend, but she would have had to give up her titles and everything that goes with it. She obviously didn't love him enough.
She wanted attention..Money LifeStyle. Titles..She did have some freedom. Unfortunately she Chose Wrongly..... AT that time The Church played at huge part...And as Head of Church of England. HOW QUEEN. Had to follow What Church. Old festering men. Said!! Margaret Flirty In early life. She suddenly got very snappy and clicky ...Roddy Realky let her down ...She was angry frustrated etc in later life. Drank like her Mother ..Envious of her x- Husband. .. Notice at Entrance of Buckingham Palace. When Diana's coffin passed. She was only one who didn't Bow her head.......
Interesting to know was by far Queen Elizabeth was the most expirienced queen ever exited, and her legacy was granted by blood from Great Grandfather, Grandfather, and then her at very young age.. I'd think a man would be next in line but she comply with excellent grace and honor., she had a great team and advisors as well! #MovingPictures #UA-camFilms&TV #TheCrown #QueenElizabeth #SisterMagueret #2024USA❤🧡💛💚💙💜
I know it's just a show but Margaret needs to stop moaning about Peter. She wasn't denied marriage, she was asked to choose between her title and Peter. She just couldn't bear living without her privileges and her title. Of course, it would have been better for her to be able to marry him and keep her title, but she knew it wasn't going to happen. Had she truly loved him, she would have chosen him. She could have had a perfect life, outside royal duties and with money. She wouldn't have become a lambda commoner.
I feel like this point gets lost, and it's probably the most vital. Margaret made a choice. She chose not to marry Peter because she, like other royals who bitch and moan about their lives, cannot fathom being without their money, and their nice clothes, and their horse riding lessons, and their cars and boats.
@@sandydog426 Yes, you hit the nail right on the head. I don’t feel that there was anything standing in the way of Margaret marrying Peter. She just didn’t want to give up her privileged lifestyle. Besides, given Margaret’s personality, I doubt that their marriage would have worked out if they did marry😟
@@chinavaughan6383 To be frank, I don't know that it would have worked out either. Of course we don't know for sure. But of Margaret's passionate interest in Peter couid wane after their separation, then the love really didn't seem built to last.
I hate how she said "It's the crown that forbade it", please we all know you were the crown, if you could allow and even demand a cheating Camilla to get married to the future king and be crowned a queen, you could've allowed your sister to marry e devorced man, but you were too stuck up to do that, as was the queen mother. It all got back to them though, princess Margaret, princes Diana, prince Charles and Camilla, prince Andrew and all their scandals, they got back to bite Elizabeth in the ass.
@@startracker5895 As a person on the other side of the planet and have no connection with the commonwealth or the crown, its just so sad to see a couple of fairly less important members of the RF continually being chided and slanted for simply wanting to go their own way and speaking about their experiences. The crown is such a sad gilded cage indeed.
@@mimisunshinelove “wanting to go their own way” by being a hypocrite, liar and opportunistic… Yet they want all the privileges of the royal family without taking any responsibility…
Cheating Camilla??? And wasn’t Diana cheating??? Why you never cared for the families of the married men she slept with??? Also, 1950s weren’t the same as 2000s, the crown evolved after learning from past mistakes… And the crown isn’t just the King/Queen, it’s the entire structure associated with the position…
On the surface ot makes more "sense" that those two might be attracted to each other. But the Queen was a healthy moderating force on Prince Phillip, and he was her strongest support.
@@cherylhulting1301 Philip and Elizabeth said it themselves--they make each other want to be better people. I think Philip and Margaret would've just stayed stagnant with each other.
Ive never seen thr series because its so popular but these short clips, two by now, compels me to see more and you know what happens next youre hooked and must finish all.. 🙄
Truth is Elizabeth didn't deny Margaret from marrying Peter Townsend. But she was informed she would lose the HRH title and her line to the throne. She choose prestige over marriage to a commoner.
It’s incredibly frustrating when people repeat simplistic takes without any understanding of the nuance and complexity involved in these situations, let alone the context of the time period. It's NOT as straightforward as you're making it out to be. And even IF it were, do you really think it would be easy to walk away from your entire family? The idea that “all” she would lose were her “royal privileges” shows a real lack of understanding of what that actually entailed. It wasn’t just about “being rich and treated like a princess.” For one, she had a trust fund that couldn’t be taken away from her even if she gave up her title, so the notion that she stayed only for the money is ridiculous-she would never have been poor. But “giving up her privileges” would mean essentially giving up her family. She would no longer be part of private dinners, parties, royal functions, and would lose direct access to her mother, sister, brother-in-law, niece, nephews, and any family members who were working royals. She’d become an outsider, treated as a loose associate or, more likely, a commoner with no connections. She’d have to go through layers of protocol just to speak with her family, if they even decided to respond at all. This also meant that her children wouldn’t have been acknowledged as part of the royal family. The Queen and Queen Mother wouldn’t have been present for their births, and her children would have had no grandparents or extended family to rely on, especially since Peter’s parents were dead and he was an only child. She would have been cut off from everyone she loved. Despite any disagreements, Margaret and Elizabeth were incredibly close, as were Margaret and her mother. In fact, when Margaret died, her mother was so devastated that she quickly deteriorated and passed away just weeks later. So, it’s dismissive and unfair to act like Margaret’s decision was simple, or that she was just selfish and didn’t love Peter. It’s clear she loved him deeply and still thought about him fondly in her later years. She even arranged a meeting decades later to find closure, and they were both reportedly very happy to see each other, expressing their sadness and regrets as if no time had passed. Peter himself recognized how much Margaret would lose if they married and told her it wouldn’t be fair to ask her to give up her entire family and life for him. She could have ended up unhappy even if they had been together. The only real solution would have been for Elizabeth to allow them to marry without the ultimatum and welcome Peter into the family. Elizabeth seemed to understand this later, as evidenced by how she changed the rules following Charles and Diana’s disastrous marriage, acknowledging that allowing Charles to marry Camilla from the start would have avoided a lot of heartache. This whole topic just highlights how poorly some people understand history and human complexity. Public figures and celebrities aren’t just one-dimensional; they are real people with emotions, flaws, and difficult choices to make. And for anyone to claim they know these figures based on a Wikipedia page or a dramatized portrayal is just naive. Life isn’t black and white, and people need to recognize that.
Margaret could’ve left the royal family for Peter Townsend. But like Charles, she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. The truth is, she loved her position and the luxury she lived in more than she loved him. And he turned out to be a bit of a creeper. How old was he when he married a 19-year-old girl? He was well into his 30s when he was seducing 17-year-old Margaret. I don’t think she would’ve been as happy as she think she would’ve been. Mostly, Margaret was bitter that she wasn’t born first so she wasn’t queen. She really believed that she would have been a better queen than her sister.
Phillip and Elizabeth exchanged many letters when they were teens and during the war years before she was engaged to him. Maybe the stopped writing to each other when they got busy with life.
What a jealous annoying sister is Margaret. If I had a sister smirking at my marital troubles and actively trying to make me feel inferior all the time like in this season, I would simply never invite her to spend time with me like Elizabeth did. I suppose it’s all fiction. Even the title is annoying. “Her own medicine” what does that even mean?
Margaret could have married Townsend. She wasn’t going to be banished or exiled just give up her tittle. A small price to pay for love as I’m sure her sister would have supported her financially instead of the tax payer.
its true though Elizabeth threw a tantrum and held her breath until she could marry a man with large ties to Hitler and the Nazi ties. Which is one of the large reasons her uncle abdicated, and her father was thrust into being King thus changing their entire lives and the chain of succession. But the moment her sister who was always made to feel second best fell in love and wanted to marry she said no and blamed The Crown. Bullsh**she was The Crown. Then she still didn't learn her lesson and did it to her son. Well I'm not a big Charles fan because of how he treated Diana but Elizabeth did the same thing and said no to him wanting to marry Camilia (also not a fan for the same thing as Charles) so he chose someone else and they ruined Diana and in the end unalive her. It doesn't matter if you think they actually hired someone to kill her or not the press would never have been following her like that if they hadn't raked her over coals and made everything she did a bigger story then it was. If they had just gotten a divorce like other royals they would have only gone after her for major moments of events. Elizabeth was a great Queen but she was a sh** sister, Mother and Grandmother.
Charles and Diana were both free to remarry because they were legally divorced, as were Camilla and Andrew. Charles and Camilla could not marry in the Anglican church because ANDREW is still living. Therefore, whether they married in 1997, 2005, or next Tuesday they would have had a civil ceremony and a blessing. Diana's death did not change anything.
Diana was harassed daily from the press. She was young, beautiful, witty, and courageous. Something the royal family who were born traditionalists weren’t used to. The monarchy did not hire someone to kill her. The way the paparazzi are legally allowed to stock harass and chase people with no consequences is absolutely disgusting and horrific. A drunk driver driving recklessly killed her. Not the family. Charles who is a man child destroyed her because of jealously and infidelity. Her life is a tragic story, who married into the wrong family and was thrusted into the spot light where she shined.
Lilibet had to go thru so much too. Not just margaret. She had to fight tooth & nail & lost at every chance. She had to take all the heat. She cant crack. She cant show her real self she had to throw all that away bc of the CROWN. The queen was imprisoned too. Not just the family.
@@mychannel-rt2gn No, but with all the rationing and mood of the pot-war era, the image of London in the 50s was drab and boring until things started to pick up in the 60s.
Margareth still blaming her sister instead of herself? She preferred being HRH and receiving Government money. Even Peter Townsend admitted that he suspected that he would not be enough for her without the compensation of royal life.
Holly doesn't understand it takes time to practice and completely ignored how Molly's could have made the wrong decisions being ill-equipped. What takes UK tens of years to learn upon finding a new exotic intern from Quebec only would only cost East Asians like Korea or Japan 3-4 years to catch in all disciplines and fields the general public and the educated UK citizens that lack of.
I’m on Margaret’s side, she is right about Phillip and his family as well as his friends. Elizabeth was with him out of pure attraction, not logic- which she forced upon her sister. If Elizabeth had married Porchey her kids would have been better behaved.
This is great drama, but factually incorrect. Margaret was told she COULD marry Peter, but she'd have to give up her title and her place in the line of succession. She chose the trappings of royalty over him.
It must have been difficult to adapt to technologies (television, internet, social media, real-time journalism) that was moving faster than traditional customs, culture, and manners.
Load of bullocks re writing. Prince Philip & Princess Elizabeth conducted their courtship via writing long loving getting to know you letters. The Royal Family are letter writers. ✍🏻👑👑.
I have a new respect for Margaret. Elizabeth's jealously over Margaret being more popular led her to deny her sister her love match. This is a common theme in that family. Charles and William are the same.
@@madeleine5561 Exactly. Even Anne had to remarry in the Church of Scotland, because even with the modernized rules about divorce in 1992, some things don't change. Margaret had a choice, and SHE made that choice.
You are entirely wrong. She uses the word 'neither' to mean two distinct individuals. As such, 'neither' is singular and the subject of the statement. 'Us' is plural but it's not the subject. She spoke correctly. To further demonstrate: "One of the people involved in the crash was killed.". The word "one" is singular and the subject of the sentence, therefore we use the congregation 'was'. It's a common mistake to assume that "the people" is the subject and use 'were'.
It simply does not matter what any of you think. Secondly, and foremost the job of Princess Margaret is to support the Crown. That Is the End of the conversation
Margaret was a petulant narcissist because SHE couldn't have the divorced man she wanted, she couldn't hog all the attention, and she wasn't the one who inherited the crown.
Based on her actions and track record, it's a blessing she never inherited the Crown. She wasted her life with partying, and had no real purpose for getting out of bed every day. She had all the opportunity in the world to use her advantages as an asset for the RF, and she didn't.
If they really had a relationship like this why would they spend time together? They made out the Queen and Margret hated each other in this programme.
It’s incredibly frustrating when people repeat simplistic takes without any understanding of the nuance and complexity involved in these situations, let alone the context of the time period. It's NOT as straightforward as you're making it out to be. And even IF it were, do you really think it would be easy to walk away from your entire family? The idea that “all” she would lose were her “royal privileges” shows a real lack of understanding of what that actually entailed. It wasn’t just about “being rich and treated like a princess.” For one, she had a trust fund that couldn’t be taken away from her even if she gave up her title, so the notion that she stayed only for the money is ridiculous-she would never have been poor. But “giving up her privileges” would mean essentially giving up her family. She would no longer be part of private dinners, parties, royal functions, and would lose direct access to her mother, sister, brother-in-law, niece, nephews, and any family members who were working royals. She’d become an outsider, treated as a loose associate or, more likely, a commoner with no connections. She’d have to go through layers of protocol just to speak with her family, if they even decided to respond at all. This also meant that her children wouldn’t have been acknowledged as part of the royal family. The Queen and Queen Mother wouldn’t have been present for their births, and her children would have had no grandparents or extended family to rely on, especially since Peter’s parents were dead and he was an only child. She would have been cut off from everyone she loved. Despite any disagreements, Margaret and Elizabeth were incredibly close, as were Margaret and her mother. In fact, when Margaret died, her mother was so devastated that she quickly deteriorated and passed away just weeks later. So, it’s dismissive and unfair to act like Margaret’s decision was simple, or that she was just selfish and didn’t love Peter. It’s clear she loved him deeply and still thought about him fondly in her later years. She even arranged a meeting decades later to find closure, and they were both reportedly very happy to see each other, expressing their sadness and regrets as if no time had passed. Peter himself recognized how much Margaret would lose if they married and told her it wouldn’t be fair to ask her to give up her entire family and life for him. She could have ended up unhappy even if they had been together. The only real solution would have been for Elizabeth to allow them to marry without the ultimatum and welcome Peter into the family. Elizabeth seemed to understand this later, as evidenced by how she changed the rules following Charles and Diana’s disastrous marriage, acknowledging that allowing Charles to marry Camilla from the start would have avoided a lot of heartache. This whole topic just highlights how poorly some people understand history and human complexity. Public figures and celebrities aren’t just one-dimensional; they are real people with emotions, flaws, and difficult choices to make. And for anyone to claim they know these figures based on a Wikipedia page or a dramatized portrayal is just naive. Life isn’t black and white, and people need to recognize that.
The tension between these two is riveting! My dears, who’s side are you on? The Queen or the heartbroken sister?
The show really portrays the Queen to being responsible for them breaking up. In reality, she spent a lot of time devising a plan to let Margaret marry Peter AND keep her titles and salary through a morganatic marriage, where the privileges would not pass to their descendants. It was Margaret who ultimately decided not to go on with it.
Team Elizabeth all the way. Margaret made her choice.
Princess ofcourse... If they were to deny her peter they should've done that already without causing extreme level of pain
In scenes similar to this one, Margaret made it seem as if her life would have been just perfect if only she and Peter had been allowed to marry. I think that Margaret didn’t have what it took to make a good marriage partner. She and Peter would have been miserable if they had married😢
Margaret, easily
Touche’ Margaret, well-done, she knows very well what Phillip was probably up to in “Ceylon” or wherever he was.
The chemistry is great between these two. Even the tension and resentment feels sister-like
The actress that plays young Princess Margaret is really beautiful with short hair tbh. 😮
Her name is Vanessa Kirby, and yeah she’s amazing, she got casted as sue storm (invisible woman) for the fantastic 4 movie in the MCU!!!!
She looks marvelous with short dark hair. Her eyes and face structure shine! Truly amazing
@@web-headsassemble9415 She also played Empress Josephine in Napoleon!
@@raenia3655 And Napoleon never really stopped loving her, in spite of their divorce.
Watch Mission Impossible: Fallout and Dead Reckoning. She played an arms dealer.
Anyone else ever noticed that as soon as someone gives Elizabeth just a little bit of criticism (in the show) she immediately counters with "that's not fair".
the crown's much heavier if not worn on the head..
@@kybed
How so?
Well, she's in a particularly tailored role. Not the same
Margaret’s plight is relatable: I too have been awakened by family, and it’s hella annoying and doesn’t make for a pleasant lunch.
It’s not anybody’s fault that Margaret stayed out late partying. As for her orders not to be disturbed, they don’t take precedence over the Queen’s!😠
Hahaha!
Amen sister. I come a very long line of American colonists and very early pioneers. Agricultural was the ONLY family profession that was allowed. When I applied to an Eastern Art Institute for design. I was heavily criticized and much bullied by my father's generation about how worthless that endeavor would be. I continue to design today but only privately. I didn't go into Agricultural. I found a wonderful man that had and has a passion for law enforcement and we have traveled everywhere doing it. When he came into the picture for me all of the bullying and criticizing stopped, he wouldn't put up with it.
Princess Margaret and king Edward are probably rolling in their graves knowing what they were denied yet now King Charles and Camilla can sit happily on the throne with all their wrong doings….
Yeah...Margaret was the main reason Elizabeth finally allowed Charles and Camilla and Harry and Meghan, to marry, after seeing how the rules debilitated her.
As for Edward, his marriage to Wallis was the tip of the iceberg. They had to get rid of him given his personal ties to Hitler and Germany when war was on the horizon.
Oh please that old demon did that only after trapping Diana. She thought her son could have it all @@lordalessan
@@lordalessanyour country was on Hitler's side until Hitler decided to focus on them instead of the ussr
@@zah936The QUEEN didn't trap Diana, Diana was willfully stupidly naive, and while her own mother was a degenerate harpy, she had a father, brother, aunts who should have supported her when it came to wether or not to wed Charles, but Diana said yes, she knew what what was going on but still said yes, so positive she could make him love her & it failed.
What wrong doings? The one affair with each other? Please, while it is morally wrong its not a crime, it made things awkward but thats to be expected. Now Diana slept around, thats different, Charles loves Camilla but Diana wanted to just cause embarrassment & show her pain that way, so wrong doings all around.
Has anyone else noticed that when people take a drag on a cigarette in The Crown you can hear the paper on the cigarette burning? I haven't heard that in any other series
I noticed that in peaky blinders as well, sometimes. But it’s less often than in the crown.
It’s a trick to subconsciously bring the viewer into the utter stillness or emptiness of the scene. Like a “could hear a pin drop” feeling. Probably in this case to emphasize the formal loneliness of palace life (unlike the comfy noisy squalor of us normies) or maybe in this case the uncomfortable tension between these two.
You can hear it in Twins Peak too. I find the sound very sexy
It's such a comforting sound
Margaret's smirking gets me every time😂😂
Margaret knew that she would never inherit the Crown, so she acted and spoke in the most carefree of manners. That seems to be the case with the Royals who don't figure in the line of succession, even at the present time.
In my opinion, she absolutely had it made with the best of both worlds...minus the controlling " Crown"
@@JacubamustoffI mean yeah other then the whole not being permitted to marry who she wanted to…
@@emilyk6510 Divorce was a scandal back in the day and divorced people weren't acceptable in society. Times have changed.
@@Rosemary-vf5eithat's absolutely preposterous.
@@Ariana-wv4pf
Divorce was not really looked upon kindly for anyone, not just royalty
My favorite Elizabeth and Margaret of the whole series
Mine too. My understanding is that the late Queen Elizabeth saw the first seasons and was very impressed with Claire Foy's brilliant portrayal of her. And Vanessa Kirby is a beautiful fireball.
Mine too!
I love that Margaret didn't care Elizabeth was her sister, she spoke the truth all the time.
The young lady who portrays Margaret is beautiful
When she fumbles the cigarette then brings it up to her lips backwards is hilarious
I've never watched this show, but I was completely spellbound by this clip. Stellar acting, writing, cinematography. You Brits are the best!
You ought to watch it. It's very good.
Definitely one of the best in Netflix. I watched the entire season. All actors and actresses are brilliant
One of fhe best series I've ever watched. For Historical Fiction, Did quite well.
It's really good as long as you don't get carried away and forget it's mostly fiction based loosely on history/reality.
These two were excellent.
Very cleverly written and acted.
Next time the Queen finds herself free for lunch, I suspect she will eat alone! 😂😂😂
Perhaps my favorite scene in the entire series. thank you for posting, the two actresses (and screenwriter, costumes, props) captivated the younger Queen and Princess so perfectly. There's love but tension, and a distinct difference between the two. I love Claire AND Vanessa, absolutely masterful in their roles throughout the whole series, but especially in scenes like this.
In that large palace the only place the TWO of them can dine together is at a table for 50? 🤣🤣
Comment of the day!
It’s a palace!!! 😂
But ofcourse! God forbid they’re set at a breakfast nook! That could actually be their breakfast nook…
If you have it why not use it?! Even if it is just 2. Use your wedding China on a random day of the week, it's not just for looks.
@@EmberGardenAcademya breakfast nook? You mean like servants?????
Its interesting that Queen Elizabeth's uncle Prince Edward had to abdicate his right to be king in order to marry a divorce woman and Princess Margaret would have been to give up her titles to marry a divorce man, but laws were changed so Queen Elizabeth's children and grandchildren could marry divorce people without giving up anything
Because the early 2000s were a much different time than the 1930s and the 1960s 🤡
@@JGJGAGSG yes and look how yet again how different it was twenty years after that. Andrew and Fergie fine living together unmarried at RL. Wm and Kate openly living together for years too. Times changed quickly!!
@@MTknitter22 I don’t think 60+ years and 40+ years equals “times changing quickly” but whatever
more than anything, Simpson was an excuse for the powers that be to get rid of him. he was a nazi sympathizer. that's why he had to abdicate.
Life goes on…
She was by far the greatest Margaret.
Nuff said.
‘You denied me my perfect match.’ (gulp) lol
Margaret was so beautiful when she was young which makes her end even more sad.
Agreed. She was stunning into the mid-1970's, when she would've been in her 40's. By the 80's, all the heavy drinking, smoking, late partying and suntanning started to erode her looks fast.
I would love to have a licensed psychologist psycho analyze the royal family; because I am truly interested in learning how growing up and dying in that type of environment can mentally and physically damage a person.
I'd rather psychologists spend their time analyzing the damages that poverty have on a person and their family. That would help us understand the plight of billions of people around the world rather than the plight of a handful of wealthy elites living in a castle. Who cares what damage these snobs do to themselves?
@@hutch1197 okay…we can do both. Then leave it up to the individual to choose which to watch…
This is fiction. A well dressed soap opera.
@@hutch1197I think psychologists have already studied the effects of growing up in poverty lol
Something, I read about: people born in higher class/royalty have a greater chance of having issues with developing empathy for others and even themselves. Do with that what you will.
Vanessa Kirby is a goddess.
One of my favorite scenes! Played perfectly and beautifully shot.👍👏👏👏
Elisabeth is completely disconnected from her husband and kids. She was a great queen, but family wise she was not
3:03 Margaret's facial reaction. Man, she is a total Babe!
Margaret really said : 😏
😂
Margaret CHOSE not to marry Peter Townsend because she would have had to give up her huge income and splendidly luxurious life. Scrimping and saving in a two bedroom semi for the 'man she loved' was not an option!
I agree! Well said! Patricia Gambino Harrington
She should have let his love open the door.
Peter Townsend had an extremely interesting life after leaving the royal household, becoming a successful author and advisor on a number of war films. Margaret would have enjoyed a comfortable life with him. I don't think she had the courage to break away from her gilded cage. Unlike Margaret, he found true love in his subsequent marriage.
@@MsJackrussell2 and he had a great hit with "Slit Skirts"
Most of us wouldn't have gone along with it at the time. Especially as a woman with little opportunity to make your own income in case something goes wrong.
sisters out snarking each other funny
Princess Margaret 💯 Excellent!!! Truly. Excellent!!!
"he's Mike!"
I don't know why i find that so sad.
There are but five iconic and timeless Queens: four live in a deck of cards
Claire Foy as the Queen made a faux pas with the table manners. The knife and fork would never have been placed on each side of the plate when resting from eating, they would have been crossed over each other in a closed X form ( tines of the fork over the knife) so that the knife handle at ca 4.5 on a clock and the fork at ca 7.5.
She wasn't in a formal setting, so she was going wild.😉
Hmmm...touche! These two look very much alike as did Elizabeth and Margaret.
Margaret could have married Townsend, but she would have had to give up her titles and everything that goes with it. She obviously didn't love him enough.
She wanted attention..Money LifeStyle. Titles..She did have some freedom. Unfortunately she Chose Wrongly.....
AT that time The Church played at huge part...And as Head of Church of England. HOW QUEEN. Had to follow What Church. Old festering men. Said!! Margaret Flirty In early life. She suddenly got very snappy and clicky ...Roddy Realky let her down ...She was angry frustrated etc in later life. Drank like her Mother ..Envious of her x- Husband. ..
Notice at Entrance of Buckingham Palace. When Diana's coffin passed. She was only one who didn't Bow her head.......
It bugs me how they made Claire say “It’s 11:30”. That’s an Americanism - especially at the time this is set. She’d have said “half past eleven”.
Margaret overstayed her welcome. When the Queen put her fork and knife on the plate she was supposed to leave lol
I love their phones
Interesting to know was by far Queen Elizabeth was the most expirienced queen ever exited, and her legacy was granted by blood from Great Grandfather, Grandfather, and then her at very young age.. I'd think a man would be next in line but she comply with excellent grace and honor., she had a great team and advisors as well!
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Calling Alice of Battenberg a lunatic don’t fly with me-
LOL, she didn't mean her. They had another Alice in the family. And Philip's mom was a lunatic.
Regardless the Queen loved Margaret. ❤
This woman is confused about why her sister doesn't want to be dragged out of bed to amuse her
What a life of indulgence
And yet you’re here watching
Get a new line. That one is worn out, tired, and boring.
And what is it you expect?? They didn't purchase any of this, it was inherited
At the time and place, I imagine the food was only decent. The wine was probably above average.
Imagine being born into something
When Claire Foy says "It's 11:30" she sounds exactly like Her Late Majesty.
I know it's just a show but Margaret needs to stop moaning about Peter. She wasn't denied marriage, she was asked to choose between her title and Peter. She just couldn't bear living without her privileges and her title. Of course, it would have been better for her to be able to marry him and keep her title, but she knew it wasn't going to happen. Had she truly loved him, she would have chosen him. She could have had a perfect life, outside royal duties and with money. She wouldn't have become a lambda commoner.
She comes off as a complete waste of carbon atoms.
@@jojoaugustus1383 Agree. Nothing kept her from marrying him aside from not wanting to give up her life of privilege😒
I feel like this point gets lost, and it's probably the most vital. Margaret made a choice. She chose not to marry Peter because she, like other royals who bitch and moan about their lives, cannot fathom being without their money, and their nice clothes, and their horse riding lessons, and their cars and boats.
@@sandydog426 Yes, you hit the nail right on the head. I don’t feel that there was anything standing in the way of Margaret marrying Peter. She just didn’t want to give up her privileged lifestyle. Besides, given Margaret’s personality, I doubt that their marriage would have worked out if they did marry😟
@@chinavaughan6383 To be frank, I don't know that it would have worked out either. Of course we don't know for sure. But of Margaret's passionate interest in Peter couid wane after their separation, then the love really didn't seem built to last.
Imagine living life like that.
I hate how she said "It's the crown that forbade it", please we all know you were the crown, if you could allow and even demand a cheating Camilla to get married to the future king and be crowned a queen, you could've allowed your sister to marry e devorced man, but you were too stuck up to do that, as was the queen mother. It all got back to them though, princess Margaret, princes Diana, prince Charles and Camilla, prince Andrew and all their scandals, they got back to bite Elizabeth in the ass.
Not to mention Harry and Meghan making mischief! Lol
@@startracker5895 That chestnut is old and stale. Move on!
@@startracker5895 As a person on the other side of the planet and have no connection with the commonwealth or the crown, its just so sad to see a couple of fairly less important members of the RF continually being chided and slanted for simply wanting to go their own way and speaking about their experiences. The crown is such a sad gilded cage indeed.
@@mimisunshinelove “wanting to go their own way” by being a hypocrite, liar and opportunistic… Yet they want all the privileges of the royal family without taking any responsibility…
Cheating Camilla??? And wasn’t Diana cheating??? Why you never cared for the families of the married men she slept with??? Also, 1950s weren’t the same as 2000s, the crown evolved after learning from past mistakes… And the crown isn’t just the King/Queen, it’s the entire structure associated with the position…
Sometimes I wonder if Prince Philip and Margaret would have been better match. Perhaps it would have imploded!
I think it would've imploded. Elizabeth and Philip balanced each other out.
On the surface ot makes more "sense" that those two might be attracted to each other. But the Queen was a healthy moderating force on Prince Phillip, and he was her strongest support.
@@cherylhulting1301 Philip and Elizabeth said it themselves--they make each other want to be better people. I think Philip and Margaret would've just stayed stagnant with each other.
They hated eachother.
Ive never seen thr series because its so popular but these short clips, two by now, compels me to see more and you know what happens next youre hooked and must finish all.. 🙄
Truth is Elizabeth didn't deny Margaret from marrying Peter Townsend. But she was informed she would lose the HRH title and her line to the throne. She choose prestige over marriage to a commoner.
It’s incredibly frustrating when people repeat simplistic takes without any understanding of the nuance and complexity involved in these situations, let alone the context of the time period. It's NOT as straightforward as you're making it out to be. And even IF it were, do you really think it would be easy to walk away from your entire family? The idea that “all” she would lose were her “royal privileges” shows a real lack of understanding of what that actually entailed.
It wasn’t just about “being rich and treated like a princess.” For one, she had a trust fund that couldn’t be taken away from her even if she gave up her title, so the notion that she stayed only for the money is ridiculous-she would never have been poor. But “giving up her privileges” would mean essentially giving up her family. She would no longer be part of private dinners, parties, royal functions, and would lose direct access to her mother, sister, brother-in-law, niece, nephews, and any family members who were working royals. She’d become an outsider, treated as a loose associate or, more likely, a commoner with no connections. She’d have to go through layers of protocol just to speak with her family, if they even decided to respond at all.
This also meant that her children wouldn’t have been acknowledged as part of the royal family. The Queen and Queen Mother wouldn’t have been present for their births, and her children would have had no grandparents or extended family to rely on, especially since Peter’s parents were dead and he was an only child. She would have been cut off from everyone she loved. Despite any disagreements, Margaret and Elizabeth were incredibly close, as were Margaret and her mother. In fact, when Margaret died, her mother was so devastated that she quickly deteriorated and passed away just weeks later.
So, it’s dismissive and unfair to act like Margaret’s decision was simple, or that she was just selfish and didn’t love Peter. It’s clear she loved him deeply and still thought about him fondly in her later years. She even arranged a meeting decades later to find closure, and they were both reportedly very happy to see each other, expressing their sadness and regrets as if no time had passed. Peter himself recognized how much Margaret would lose if they married and told her it wouldn’t be fair to ask her to give up her entire family and life for him. She could have ended up unhappy even if they had been together.
The only real solution would have been for Elizabeth to allow them to marry without the ultimatum and welcome Peter into the family. Elizabeth seemed to understand this later, as evidenced by how she changed the rules following Charles and Diana’s disastrous marriage, acknowledging that allowing Charles to marry Camilla from the start would have avoided a lot of heartache.
This whole topic just highlights how poorly some people understand history and human complexity. Public figures and celebrities aren’t just one-dimensional; they are real people with emotions, flaws, and difficult choices to make. And for anyone to claim they know these figures based on a Wikipedia page or a dramatized portrayal is just naive. Life isn’t black and white, and people need to recognize that.
Margaret could’ve left the royal family for Peter Townsend. But like Charles, she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. The truth is, she loved her position and the luxury she lived in more than she loved him. And he turned out to be a bit of a creeper. How old was he when he married a 19-year-old girl? He was well into his 30s when he was seducing 17-year-old Margaret. I don’t think she would’ve been as happy as she think she would’ve been. Mostly, Margaret was bitter that she wasn’t born first so she wasn’t queen. She really believed that she would have been a better queen than her sister.
Phillip and Elizabeth exchanged many letters when they were teens and during the war years before she was engaged to him. Maybe the stopped writing to each other when they got busy with life.
What a jealous annoying sister is Margaret. If I had a sister smirking at my marital troubles and actively trying to make me feel inferior all the time like in this season, I would simply never invite her to spend time with me like Elizabeth did. I suppose it’s all fiction. Even the title is annoying. “Her own medicine” what does that even mean?
I’d hate to be in that servant’s situation.
Your boss tells you not to disturb her but then the queen phones and asks to talk to her
Tricky situation
Margaret could have married Townsend. She wasn’t going to be banished or exiled just give up her tittle. A small price to pay for love as I’m sure her sister would have supported her financially instead of the tax payer.
its true though Elizabeth threw a tantrum and held her breath until she could marry a man with large ties to Hitler and the Nazi ties. Which is one of the large reasons her uncle abdicated, and her father was thrust into being King thus changing their entire lives and the chain of succession. But the moment her sister who was always made to feel second best fell in love and wanted to marry she said no and blamed The Crown. Bullsh**she was The Crown. Then she still didn't learn her lesson and did it to her son. Well I'm not a big Charles fan because of how he treated Diana but Elizabeth did the same thing and said no to him wanting to marry Camilia (also not a fan for the same thing as Charles) so he chose someone else and they ruined Diana and in the end unalive her. It doesn't matter if you think they actually hired someone to kill her or not the press would never have been following her like that if they hadn't raked her over coals and made everything she did a bigger story then it was. If they had just gotten a divorce like other royals they would have only gone after her for major moments of events. Elizabeth was a great Queen but she was a sh** sister, Mother and Grandmother.
She sacrificed her family for her Kingdom and she had no choice in the matter hence she never forgave her uncle.
Charles and Diana were both free to remarry because they were legally divorced, as were Camilla and Andrew. Charles and Camilla could not marry in the Anglican church because ANDREW is still living. Therefore, whether they married in 1997, 2005, or next Tuesday they would have had a civil ceremony and a blessing. Diana's death did not change anything.
The worst mother, sister and grandmother. No lies detected. I dislike her intensely.
What are you talking about? Edward abdicated the throne long before the Queen met Philip. Or at least long before they dated.
Diana was harassed daily from the press. She was young, beautiful, witty, and courageous.
Something the royal family who were born traditionalists weren’t used to.
The monarchy did not hire someone to kill her. The way the paparazzi are legally allowed to stock harass and chase people with no consequences is absolutely disgusting and horrific. A drunk driver driving recklessly killed her. Not the family.
Charles who is a man child destroyed her because of jealously and infidelity.
Her life is a tragic story, who married into the wrong family and was thrusted into the spot light where she shined.
Lilibet had to go thru so much too. Not just margaret. She had to fight tooth & nail & lost at every chance. She had to take all the heat. She cant crack. She cant show her real self she had to throw all that away bc of the CROWN. The queen was imprisoned too. Not just the family.
Who knew London had such a thriving night club scene in this era?
Do you think night clubs are new?
@@mychannel-rt2gn No, but with all the rationing and mood of the pot-war era, the image of London in the 50s was drab and boring until things started to pick up in the 60s.
@@AndyBluebear-fi9omactually, during WW2, they use to party like "there was no tomorrow"......quite literally
@@Swami-im8oo Didn't they have to be under a black out during the bombing? And ration everything?
@@AndyBluebear-fi9om They did, because helping Uncle Joe conquer Europe was Priority ONE.
i stopped watching after they replaced claire foy for s3, wasnt the same after that
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Quenn was so PRETENSJONALNA😂😂😂 feature of small minded people😅
My own sister.
Margareth still blaming her sister instead of herself? She preferred being HRH and receiving Government money. Even Peter Townsend admitted that he suspected that he would not be enough for her without the compensation of royal life.
Oh the little Australian... LOL.. MY GOD Meghan never stood a chance with these people..
Very true. Nothing has changed since Queen Victoria's time.
Holly doesn't understand it takes time to practice and completely ignored how Molly's could have made the wrong decisions being ill-equipped. What takes UK tens of years to learn upon finding a new exotic intern from Quebec only would only cost East Asians like Korea or Japan 3-4 years to catch in all disciplines and fields the general public and the educated UK citizens that lack of.
I’m on Margaret’s side, she is right about Phillip and his family as well as his friends. Elizabeth was with him out of pure attraction, not logic- which she forced upon her sister. If Elizabeth had married Porchey her kids would have been better behaved.
Did Margaret ash on her own coat? 😂
This is great drama, but factually incorrect. Margaret was told she COULD marry Peter, but she'd have to give up her title and her place in the line of succession. She chose the trappings of royalty over him.
Margaret's my fav character 😂
It must have been difficult to adapt to technologies (television, internet, social media, real-time journalism) that was moving faster than traditional customs, culture, and manners.
Revenge of the Squealing Pink Tornado!
I would also be fucking annoyed if I was told when to go out, when and how much to drink and who to marry by my conservative and 100% hypocrit sister
Hypocrite how? The Queen was just telling her to be more discreet
People blame the Queen for Margaret being a loose cannon but they maybe get resentful and bitter being the spare not the heir. Like Prince Harry has
Load of bullocks re writing.
Prince Philip & Princess Elizabeth conducted their courtship via writing long loving getting to know you letters.
The Royal Family are letter writers. ✍🏻👑👑.
Don't you think she may be saying this to Margaret as an excuse? Would Margaret know about the letters?
What episode…season is this in? I, an expert in watching the crown, am shocked I can’t place this encounter scene.
Video description says season 2 episode 1
gotta re-think that "im an expert in watching crown" then ;p
@@SSarah-sj6dn I guess.
"did Philip's Nazi sisters come back to haunt him?" LMAO
That’s not true he wrote her when he was in the Navy when they were young.
Oh wow…. All your fault Liz.
WTF
such a wastrel; thank god other royals have rejected this lifestyle
I have a new respect for Margaret. Elizabeth's jealously over Margaret being more popular led her to deny her sister her love match.
This is a common theme in that family. Charles and William are the same.
Ummm no she denied her because she was head of the church of England
@@madeleine5561 Exactly. Even Anne had to remarry in the Church of Scotland, because even with the modernized rules about divorce in 1992, some things don't change. Margaret had a choice, and SHE made that choice.
I would not have had the Queen using bad grammar. "Neitber of us is!" is bad grammar, it should be:- "Neither of us are!" Is singular, are plural!
She spoke correctly.
The subject governing the verb is "neither," not "us." "Neither" is singular. "Neither . . . is" is correct.
@TheGreatWerebear-ge7uh Yeah, that's right. I was focusing on the plural in us, totally forgetting about the governance of the word neither!
You are entirely wrong. She uses the word 'neither' to mean two distinct individuals. As such, 'neither' is singular and the subject of the statement. 'Us' is plural but it's not the subject. She spoke correctly. To further demonstrate: "One of the people involved in the crash was killed.". The word "one" is singular and the subject of the sentence, therefore we use the congregation 'was'. It's a common mistake to assume that "the people" is the subject and use 'were'.
@@Tojazzer OP already acknowledged the mistake :)
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After these two, I simply lost interest in the story. I was disappointed with every other combination.
It simply does not matter what any of you think.
Secondly, and foremost the job of Princess Margaret is to support the Crown.
That Is the End of the conversation
And it really doesn’t matter what you think.
Margaret was a petulant narcissist because SHE couldn't have the divorced man she wanted, she couldn't hog all the attention, and she wasn't the one who inherited the crown.
She was a showy girl who loved attention. So?
Based on her actions and track record, it's a blessing she never inherited the Crown. She wasted her life with partying, and had no real purpose for getting out of bed every day. She had all the opportunity in the world to use her advantages as an asset for the RF, and she didn't.
If they really had a relationship like this why would they spend time together? They made out the Queen and Margret hated each other in this programme.
I watched the whole series. What you said is incorrect.
@@cje3247you couldn’t have watched it in great detail if you didn’t notice the sniping they did to each other. Particularly the early episodes.
Mike? Mike Oxmaul?
👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻 WOw. Talk about BLAH fkn. drama about MEGA Blah people. !!
Fascinating that they didn't have to Hire people to Breathe and shit for them.
It’s incredibly frustrating when people repeat simplistic takes without any understanding of the nuance and complexity involved in these situations, let alone the context of the time period. It's NOT as straightforward as you're making it out to be. And even IF it were, do you really think it would be easy to walk away from your entire family? The idea that “all” she would lose were her “royal privileges” shows a real lack of understanding of what that actually entailed.
It wasn’t just about “being rich and treated like a princess.” For one, she had a trust fund that couldn’t be taken away from her even if she gave up her title, so the notion that she stayed only for the money is ridiculous-she would never have been poor. But “giving up her privileges” would mean essentially giving up her family. She would no longer be part of private dinners, parties, royal functions, and would lose direct access to her mother, sister, brother-in-law, niece, nephews, and any family members who were working royals. She’d become an outsider, treated as a loose associate or, more likely, a commoner with no connections. She’d have to go through layers of protocol just to speak with her family, if they even decided to respond at all.
This also meant that her children wouldn’t have been acknowledged as part of the royal family. The Queen and Queen Mother wouldn’t have been present for their births, and her children would have had no grandparents or extended family to rely on, especially since Peter’s parents were dead and he was an only child. She would have been cut off from everyone she loved. Despite any disagreements, Margaret and Elizabeth were incredibly close, as were Margaret and her mother. In fact, when Margaret died, her mother was so devastated that she quickly deteriorated and passed away just weeks later.
So, it’s dismissive and unfair to act like Margaret’s decision was simple, or that she was just selfish and didn’t love Peter. It’s clear she loved him deeply and still thought about him fondly in her later years. She even arranged a meeting decades later to find closure, and they were both reportedly very happy to see each other, expressing their sadness and regrets as if no time had passed. Peter himself recognized how much Margaret would lose if they married and told her it wouldn’t be fair to ask her to give up her entire family and life for him. She could have ended up unhappy even if they had been together.
The only real solution would have been for Elizabeth to allow them to marry without the ultimatum and welcome Peter into the family. Elizabeth seemed to understand this later, as evidenced by how she changed the rules following Charles and Diana’s disastrous marriage, acknowledging that allowing Charles to marry Camilla from the start would have avoided a lot of heartache.
This whole topic just highlights how poorly some people understand history and human complexity. Public figures and celebrities aren’t just one-dimensional; they are real people with emotions, flaws, and difficult choices to make. And for anyone to claim they know these figures based on a Wikipedia page or a dramatized portrayal is just naive. Life isn’t black and white, and people need to recognize that.
I don't like this actress as Margaret. Margaret was always perfectly groomed no matter how drunk she was and always smoked with a long holder.
She used a cigarette holder? Idk that!
Yes, this actress is too good for her. Far more beautiful too. Margaret was an alcoholic slob.