The Death Of Dune Imperium - A Eulogy
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Dune Imperium, the critically and commercially successful board game from 2020 is about to die. Like anything well-beloved, I wanted to say a fond farewell, a final few words before we move on to the next hotness. Farewell Dune Imperium, we'll see you later buddy.
My full review of uprising is up! Please take a look below
• Dune Imperium UPRISING...
I also was afraid Dune Uprising would make Dune Imperium obsolete. But one year later I am still playing Dune Imperium with Ix currently on the digital platform and honestly I think I prefer it a little bit to Dune Uprising. Whatever you prefer I think both games can be enjoyed next to each other.
"Mentally exhausted and emotionally fulfilled." Best summary of the game I've ever heard.
Uprising will be an evolution of the same game we love! Pumped for it!
is it just me or they made uprising more complex,,because what makes DI great is that its easy to teach
@@TpDgreat it is more complex but for me teaching DI is no where near easy
What makes y’all think Dune Imperium Uprising will be the last remake for this game? Give it a couple years and Dire Wolf will make this one obsolete too.
Uprising came too soon, I won't be getting it. If they wanted to catch the hype train from the second film release they only had to do a second printing with the expansions included and the board artwork updated slightly as that seemed to be the main complaint about the game (I think the board is fine personally). Uprising should have been 3 to 5 years away so everyone had time to enjoy Imperium. For those who have invested in the deluxe box and the expansions Uprising feels like a bit of a kick in the teeth.
I'm optimistic uprising will be great, and I think it might even be fun finding out what mix of expansions and cards will integrate well. That said, it's a bit bitter sweet.
Such a good review and I hope you could do more reviews to other games.
Thank you very much! I have another one in the works that should be out soon!
I really like how you articulate your opinions. DI is one of my favorite board game for quite the same reasons and I also have mixed feelings with the sequel comming so fast. Although I am kind of relieved that we're not getting too much expansions for the first one. I get the feeling that patching the game even more will make it more fiddly. It's fine that there is a meta and that certain actions are more powerful than others. IMO, even with imbalances the game still provides hard and satisfying choices. What I don't like is having to explain all the added mechanics to new players.
No, Paul Dennen. I'm not going to buy the same game again because you added some bells and whistles. I didn't do it with Clank in Space, I'm not going to do it with Clank Catacombs and I'm not going to do it with Dune Imperium Uprising. The boardgames world is too wide to keep buying the same game again and again.
You bring up a very good point, but I have to admit uprising is looking pretty sick tbh
@@BigPastiTrue. And who doesn't like to have worms? 😅 Great video. Thank you.
I hear you, but really, Clank! Catacombs straight up is better and replaces all other Clank! iterations, so maybe sell your copy of clank! and buy catacombs later ?
Good news, I don't think Paul Dennen cares.This expansion is for people who want more Dune: Imperium, and so that's what he's delivered.
@@jonny1speed85 *Yes, he doesn't care. *No, This expansion is for milking the second Dune film intellectual property. *I want more Dune Imperium but I get "again" Dune Imperium
i don't agree with the comparison to overwatch, this is a board game, it isn't going anywhere and while OF COURSE people will try out and play the new game, there will always be people that prefer this one and play it and others that like both and play both. Sure there will definitely be people that just purely prefer the new one but that doesn't make the old one obsolete for everyone.
No reason to every play the 1.0 version ever again
@@kwisatzhaderach88Do you really believe that ?
@@enzocrespin5806 yes absolutely, it's just a much tighter game
@@kwisatzhaderach88 What do you mean by tight ? It seems more open to me than vanilla DI, on the contrary (spies, contracts with meaningful rewards, VP-symbols, OP worms...). And even then, some people like tight gameplay, some prefer less tight, so I don't really agree with your original comment. BTW, are you comparing both games with or without expansions ? Because they made a big difference in the OG. I once played with someone who said vanilla initially felt meh to him but since he had tried the expansions he loved the game.
@@enzocrespin5806 Troops are harder to get, and many of the places to get them now do not deploy to conflict.
Yes spys give you options to infiltrate, but you give up card draw and spies as a resource (like for one of the stage 3s)
but by tight I mean, its just a tighter game. It can be nail biting to know which locations you need to hit and because of this its less easy to go up faction tracks.
The best review of Dune Imperium that is on Internet
Yeah this just totally summed up how I feel. Can't be mad about it all just sad. I only had Dune Imperium in July 2023 and we have played it 4 times and already love it. I haven't got any expansions so now I guess I just wait for Dune 2??? Especially if they bring out expansions for that. And that is a shame in its own right because I will probably never get to play Ix or Immortality now. Seems pointless... Great review.
Ya exactly, the game is still very fresh (especially considering it came out during the pandemic). That said, there does seem to be reason to grab the expansions now, since Uprising should have near full compatibility. I've been keeping up with the news and developer insights, and uprising is seemingly making all the right adjustments to an already great game. Which will likely make the base dune imperium the inferior product.
Dune Uprising will be playable with the expansions!
You can play ix immo with uprising
Awesome Video. For someone that sums up perfectly why this game is awesome. What else do you like? Any else recommendation?
Thank you very much for the compliment! Recently I've been on a twilight imperium 4e binge (if I can find willing players), but I've also been enjoying Inis more and for something lighter, Wavelength has been my go to party game. Please let me know if you have any must plays, always looking for more!
I don't think that Uprising will kill DI. Some may prefer DI. The release of Uprising won't make me enjoy DI less.
The eulogy part of the video starts at around 11:57.
Definitely, DI will still exist in it's entirety, but I am truly skeptical that people will actively play it. I appreciate the insight, thank you!
I agree, Uprising won’t make me stop playing DI.
It's not Brendan Fraser - he's 'The Whale' - but Stellan Skarsgård as Baron Harkonnen :)
than & it's pronounced fray·zuh same as laser
That's the joke, bro. Thanks for explaining it.
So we all paid money to playtest the first one that was 80% of the way there and now we get to buy the game again, only now it's actually finished? That's how I feel about it.
This.
Summarizes exactly hope I feel.
DI:U will not kill DI. The original game will still be going strong in streams and tournaments. This expansion is noticeably different to the point where it's almost a different game. We have little to worry about.
It might be possible, but each update seems to indicate uprising is a heavier game than base dune imperium. This, on top of the potential to add in ix and immortality all but guarantees the base game will be dead for the hardcore fans. Unless uprising sucks hard, which would probably be the worst outcome.
It _is_ a differet game, not expansion...
Dune uprising will be the. Game of the year.😊
And after part 3 of dune movie come ,a new dune boardgame will replace the dune uprising.
After playing like 50 games of DI and probably about 10-12 games of uprising, the second edition certainly is better than DI in nearly every way, however for me the reason it's not the death of DI? the expansions. If you like IX/immortality then uprising I feel is not for you, those games expanded dune imperium, they don't expand uprising. Yes you can use them but they feel meh and unnecessary. IMO they need to release ix/immortality second edition (or something unique for uprising) before it will kill DI entirely.
I don't get it. Why can't you just play it? Just compare between the two? Good content possibility.
The problem is that DI:U cuts such a huge swath out of the expansions that it might feel like you're missing out by playing DI:U+small amt of expansions vs DI+all expansions.
I'll wait until DI:U comes out with dedicated expansions to swap.
Hello, I love your spice and water tokens. Is there also Solari custom tokens? Where can I purchase these awesome tokens? Great video, btw.
Thank you for the comment! Unfortunately all of these tokens were homemade using jewelry vials. For the Solari, I use the coins from the Scythe coin kit. People seem to love the lil' vials, so it was very much worth it!
@@BigPasti did you make the spice and water tokens yourself? If so, could I possibly place an order for them?
Dune Imperium was so popular there will be a lot of physical stock still floating around after the release of Uprising. It does feel soon but then I think Dune I has suffered from rushed expansions already. Immortality is one of the worst and poorly thought through board game expansion I have experienced, so for me Uprising feels almost like a fixing of the game. Board spaces were lagging behind hand power as expansions came out for Dune I and the expansions suffer from undercooked (or perhaps better to say under supported) concepts that seem to have been better integrated into the game for Uprising. I have played a lot of Dune in all its forms mind, so I get that I feel I have gotten "enough" out of my copies and look forward to a, potentially, better version of the game that addresses considerable flaws in the game.
The original Dune says to return to daddy! 🥷
Just out of curiosity,, which expansion do you like the best and why?
Does anyone have a link to the piece upgrade that is used here?
Hey friend, the units/agents/alliance tokens are from the dune imperium deluxe upgrade kit! They were custom painted. The spice, and water are from jewelry vials with colored sands and water (mistake on the water lmao). The solari are from the scythe coin upgrades!
Thank you for the ghost Brendan Frasier from whale, I didn't know what you meant
Long gone are the days when a board game was a self contained whole experience: Puerto Rico, Twilight Struggle,, Caylus, Euphrat & Tigris, and even more recent games as Gaya Project, never needed an expansion. They were just FINE!
We're living in a world where a base game stand up for about a couple of years and then it becomes obsolete!
We're in the era of HYPER cult of the new, HYPER hype-rules-everything and HYPER blind consumerism.
Long gone are the good old days... I mean, I bought D:I plus its expansions this same year! WTF!
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The majority of board game publishers are money grabbers these days!
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DI with Rise of Ix. It's great. I don't need the new one or Immortality.
I don't play my games to death though. I have so many games and I like the variation.
My opinion after 100 games of dune with all expansions. Its amazing every time. I do have the new game. It fixes a lot of the spaces. I dont have an opinion,combining with the expansions and even the first dune. I think too many cards but we will
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Can you tell me where did you fine the figures and the resources looking this way?
Hi Friend, the units are all from the official deluxe upgrade kit, which have been painted. The spice & water tokens are from jewelry vials, and the coins are from the scythe coin upgrade. Hope this helps!
@@BigPasti Thank you very much, and by the way, amazing video, with very good takes.
You had me until your wheels of capitalism business... I purchased uprising, I just recently got Imperium itself. There's still room for the original to be played. Why not have multi-tiered tournament play, where you start with the original, you finish and take the number of points that you earned in the first match and divide that up between water, spice and solari to begin the next phase of the game which is the uprising board?
Hi friend, I sincerely appreciate the critical response. I guess my bigger issue is with hyper rapid capitalism, with the original in 2020, and then two expansions in 2 years. Considering Immortality hasn't even been out a year, a full sequel of the original is a bit much. Something I enjoyed about board games is that there is often room for the game to breathe, but with dune imperium it was so fast and felt like we took two influence on the guild and went shipping track with all these releases.
That said, I have my order for uprising coming to me very very soon, and I intend to play the heck out of all the player counts, with and without each expansion, and the new 6 player mode, as well as your suggestion for an 'epic multi-part game', before I give my final take on it. I find dune imperium, the expansions, deluxe edition, and the new release of uprising as an interesting case study of board games and consumerism as a whole, so I hope you'll take a look in a few weeks once I get my plays in with uprising!
So who stops you from playing TI3e? 4th edition is better, so that is why people moved. If DI:U is merely a new fixed version, then ok, you got even better game. If they are different, both will be alive, like GWT and GWT:Argentina
Nope. It is better than the new version
i never played overwatch so i will use Diablo diablo 2 is way better than 3 and 4 for me, borderlands 2 is way better than 3 :) the new ones just improve the visuals and graphics and a bit of gameplay
but sometimes the old ones are the better ones :P while i do like to play the new uprising but it looks like they made it more complex.
What makes DI great is that its easy to teach and learn, maybe im just bitter because i only have my DI for a year XD im glad i didnt buy the uprade box. im not sure if im gonna buy uprising maybe im just gonna trade one of games for it.
TLDR: skip to 12 min: it's going to "die", because another Dune game is going to be launched, instead of an expansion.
Dude
If Dune Imperium: Uprising isn't as great as the original, many will go back. You can see this with Diablo 3 and Diablo 2. S
Diablo 2 servers recover a lot of its fan base after the early rush of the new title and was roughly back to its previous numbers. Even so, that a remake was make and it's still popular even if Diablo 4 is out.
Why so dramatic? This is basicly not true in the slightest. Kind of sad to see these negative videos pop up everywere. Kind of like a bad trend.
You're completely missing the point. If you just play DI casually then of course it's not going to affect you or the original game at all, and that'll probably be fine for most players. But those who play a lot of DI and love the original game, Uprising will absolutely take away from that to some extent. Uprising may be amazing and even better than the original, but it's also coming way too soon. And if it is really good, then yes, it will definitely contribute heavily to killing off the community around the original DI. It's just too early for that to happen.
so is the deluxe addon not compatible with uprising?
The rulebook for Uprising just came out a few hours ago! It seems like the deluxe upgrade should be fully compatible with the 1-4 player version of the game, however, the 6 player variant seems to be missing some 'deluxe' components such as alliance tokens for the 6 player factions.
@@BigPastiWhere can I find that rulebook?
Hey oats, the full rule book can be seen below!
boardgamegeek.com/filepage/266714/duneimperium-uprising-rulebook
Lots of good stuff in here, super hype for when my copy arrives next week!
@@BigPasti Just downloaded it, much thanks!! I’m really excited too! I’ve preordered it at last minute thanks to my wife’s approval haha. But wait a minute, it’s shipping next week?? I didn’t expect it to be released that soon
Yep I got a notice that my label was made today and the package would be delivered sometime next week. I did pre-order from Direwolf a few weeks ago, and I apologize, but it looks like pre-ordering is no longer available. You may have to wait until retail sales. Rumor on the net is retail will begin sometime in November.