Why Fusions vs Ultra Instinct Goku Isn't Close!
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Fusions vs Ultra Instinct is one of the most discussed topics among the fans. In this video we find out who will win if the two behemoths ever collided!
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I think the problem is, we don't know how much Mastered Ultra Instinct multiplies from Goku Blue, and if its bigger or smaller than the gap between Base and Blue
in short words: fusion SOLO
I just imagined gogeta blue slowly walking up and bitch slapping the ultra out of goku's instinct
Yeah UI is overrated tbh
There are several implications that the Ultra forms are near fusion level multipliers across all media
Anime
Dragon Ball Heroes
-Goku defeats Cumber who is shown on par with Xeno and Blue Vegetto
-Goku is confident that he could defeat Hearts if had access to UI it takes Blue Gogeta, Jiren, and Hit to do a feat Goku is confident he could do alone in Ui
- UI Goku bodies Ssj3 Goku Black who then powers up and Gogeta uses blue evolution which is at least 20x that of Blue to defeat him
-Jiren is superior to Cumber who beat two Vegetto and was shown holding his own against Xeno Broly who was shown battling Limit Breaker Vegetto and Blue Vegetto
Manga
-Fusion is suggested against Moro 73 but it is shut down because of forced spirit fission keep in mind you have to damage your opponent for the technique to work meaning Moro 73 is capable of damaging Gogeta something even Broly couldn't achieve this fusion level threat is destroyed by a refined Mui Goku and then further transforms and even then Goku was still confident against Angel Moro
-Granola arc Goku and Vegeta surpassed Broly
-Chapter 93 has Broly placed around the same level as other UI level characters such as Moro, Jiren, and Gas Broly was obviously a fusion-level threat
-it is implied in 102 that Ultimate Gohan is a fusion-level multiplier with Goten and Trunks attempting to use fusion to match it
-Beast Gohan defeats cell max which in raw power was comparable to Broly again Broly being a fusion-level threat
-Mui rivals Beast Gohan this speaks for itself
-A fatigued Beast Gohan has the upper hand on the fusion level threat Broly who in the manga doesn't have Lssj
Games
-Xenoverse Has Jiren going Equal with a stronger Broly who fought Gogeta
-DB Legends has Gogeta more interested in fighting Jiren than Broly
-Both Gogeta and Jiren are confident that Mui could defeat Lssj Broly
-Jiren beats Broly in a scuffle before being overpowered by Gogeta
-Establishes the scale of
Gogeta>>Mui>Jiren>Broly
Dragon ball heroes
-The arcade has Jiren fight Zamasu, Cumber, and Hearts at the same time three fusion level opponents
-Sparking Zero
-We will see Gogeta and Hercule fight Jiren I doubt Gogeta will not one-shot Jiren making them somewhat on par Jiren is obviously Mui-level
-Mui Goku will fight lssj Broly and most likely win
Its not even a debate...... Gogeta is strongest
Yeah
**cough cough** vegitos stronger **cough cough**
@@Turkey-fq5lv bro you literally heard it from DB hype Gogeta is stronger
@@GokuDB-ur6ky idc what hype says, potara has been stated multiple times to be stronger than the dance and vegito has the rivalry boost
@@Turkey-fq5lv elder Kai knows nothing about the dance plus they are basically equal
Fusions are too OP and their powers are definitely unlimited because Goku and Vegeta keep getting stronger and stronger
4:50 In the manga, kefla was as strong as Gohan in the tournament, and the battle between her and Gohan ended in a draw.
Wow thanks for the information, now that you mention it i think you got it right. But i wish ultra instinct and ultra ego would get an anime show off [lol]
Wow, zero views in zero seconds?
According to the manga
Goku is way stronger than Broly
Let me explain
Gas and granola wish to become the strongest worrior in universe 7 and Goku and Vegeta continuous caught up with gas as the fight continue and even surpassed gas at some point bt coz of the wish to remain the strongest no matter wat gas grew stronger than Goku
This fact put Goku way stronger than Broly at this point
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So fusion SOLO
I think this is still a topic that debatable in the anime/movie verse.
1. As was said in the video, if DBSSH is on a different verse to the manga, we must consider the possibility that MUI and SSB Vegeta cannot be treated on the same level.
Therefore, it does not necessarily mean that MUI Goku is below the level of Broly and Gohan and the same level as Vegeta and Piccolo.
2. From Goku's line in TOP, Base Jiren's normal punch surpasses that of Collapse Zamasu, who fought almost on par with SSB Vegito.
(Goku said, "This is the first time I've been hit by such a strong attack.'')
Even considering the raw power growth from the FT arc to TOP, there is a possibility that MUI Goku has almost the same power as SSB Fusions, or even less.
However, I can only think of negative evidence that MUI Goku is not inferior to SSB Fusions, rather than positive evidence that MUI Goku is superior to SSB Fusions, excluding SDBH...
Can you do one where it's ultra ego
Sup Hype Great Video!
It's fusion straight up
Goku still wasn’t fully recovered from his first fight with Jiren when he fought SSJ Kefla as SSB Kaioken which was the main reason he lost that fight
Huh
Thumbnail go brrr
Gogeta blue would wipe the floor with mui goku
MUI being stronger than fusion was believable at a time. But then we get to the Tournament of power where not only is Kefla overpowered, but Vados states Potara takes the full power of both characters and multiplies their power by 10s of time for a base fusion. This means that canonically, base Vegito from the Goku Black arc was 10s of times stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta combined and went SSB on top of that. They think Goku and Vegeta alone scale above Vegito because of some statements made about Jiren but Vegeta saying Jiren was not much stronger is more recent so that takes more priority. Regardless of you believe this or not, for Goku to surpass Vegito from the black arc, he'd have to get billions of times stronger. Base fusions being stronger than the sum of their parts is further proven in Broly when Base Gogeta easily evades Broly's blasts and fights equally with him as a Super Saiyan.
This also proves that the Fusion Dance and Potara are equal in strength since both get dozens of times stronger than the max of the sum of their parts.
@@righteousone5119 I disagree since Potara has the rival boost and doesn't need characters to be equal in strength. Strength isn't everything though. The promotional material never actually said they were equally but that they were equally viable options which is true. Fusion dance can be redone after an hour, but if you fail with Potara, you're probably screwed. Additionally, Daizenshuu says Potara is indeed stronger, not just better and that's approved by Toriyama. The promotional material had nothing to do with Toriyama.
@@righteousone5119 Fusion Dance is pretty op too. Potara may be stronger but that doesn't necessarily mean better. Elder Kai would be biased but think of it like this. If Gogeta is up against a foe that can evade him enough so that he'll defuse, Gogeta can come back with knowledge of their tricks after an hour. Vegito will have more time, but unless they have another set of Potara earrings, they're screwed.
I still think "Ultra" Gogeta or Vegito needs to be a thing.
It can’t be a thing
@@GuyVickat the very least, we could have Gogeta/Vegito swapping between Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct depending on what would be the most useful form in a given situation in a fight. Since they're a combination of Goku and Vegeta, they should atleast be capable of using UI and UE alone
I like how you need earrings from Gods compared to just doing a dance that’s just lazy
Ultra instinct won't survive at all gogeta will come up top to ultra instinct goku.
Love your video
For the thumbnail you should put Goku in the middle to make it look better
It depends if it is from the same time gogeta/vegito wins but if its from the most recent they have been than goku clears because when the fish in beerus plant said the strongest warrior in the universe will arrive he didn’t even consider gogeta besides you know how bad the power creep in db is
It’s literally stated the base of a fusion is at the level of the strongest form they have plus and goku when fighting Kefla literally states so many times he’s not at full power 🤦🏻♂️ tell me you dunno what you are talking about without telling me
6:50 Thank you for using Incomplete and Complete Ultra Instinct. (Or basically unawakened and awakened)
It's not the same as using Mastered. Complete (completed or awakened) is the better term to use. If Goku really had "Mastered" UI, he would have reached Whis's level but in reality that really didn't happen AND LET'S ALSO CONSIDER that the Tournament of power or T.O.P. didn't last a day or weeks or months but 1 hour, 1 hour right? 48 minutes, so saying that Goku "MASTERED" Ultra Instinct in 48 minutes, or roughly 10-15min TO BE PRECISE, is a super huge stretch.
Seriously, why was the awakened ultra instinct named "Mastered" and not complete or awakened, like I mentioned just now.
Just like with Gohan... But I think Ultimate is better than using Mystic and Beast should have been named Ultra. Why Ultimate instead of Mystic (I think Zenkai would have been a better name), because ultimate is supposed to represent and means "the pinnacle of something". The top of the top. Final. The best achievable or imaginable. And why should Gohan's Beast form be named Ultra and not Ultimate? Because Beast form is like a Hyper or Ultra form of a Super Saiyan. (And this concept was borrowed in Dragon Ball Multiverse and the creators giving Goku & Vegeta a new transcendental Super Saiyan form)
NOT THAT IT IS SUPER SAIYAN or related to it BUT that's what it seems to be. I mean... Spiky hair, color changes and the user is from the saiyan race (though hybrid) so yeah. Another iteration of Super Saiyan forms. That's what it gives, the feeling, what we see, what it seems to be.
Pero es en el actualidad vegito lo supera a goku muchas poder y fuerza y resistencia explica eso para despues
Mui Goku stomps
Nice video 💯👍😎
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Nothing matches true perfected Ultra Instinct. Not even Beerus. Full Power Jiren was to closest and surprisely matched UI for most of the time. UI would toy with Gogeta and beat him like a child.
cringe thumbnail
Why?
Bruh
@@bepbobbap not everything needs to be a reference, that stuff is cringe. Just keep it dragon ball.
@@HIHi-os1lr so what's the reference?
I think it's a Jujutsu kaisen reference from yuji and Todo Vs mahito@@bepbobbap
Yo potara is strong fusion is weak to potara for example gogeta:power level 50000 vegito:power level 60000 but gogeta is my favorite character in all of dragon Ball ok.
That cant be true, first form friezas power level was 530,000
It's just a example bro.
Ah yes fusion of goku and vegeta > fusion of goku and vegeta.
@@jaitfluwy4900 no hes just making up numbers, that dosent proove a point
yeah originally when they were introduced, potara fusion was outright stated to be way more powerful than metamoran fusion, but with so many (somewhat annoying) changes to the lore and canon, certain characters WHO SHOULD know these things - don't/are wrong, and no one in Super in-universe ever directly compares the fusions. it kinda seems like Super's approach is that the gulf in power between the fusion methods might not be _that_ great... or at the very least, not so great as to merit discussion.