Cell would be 2/5 Saiyan, 1/5 Namekian and 2/5 Frieza Race. So you could argue he is just like gohan, goten or trunks. He is a half Saiyan who can turn super Saiyan. His genetics would dictate that
@@RyouShi98 If I were head-canoning the "in-universe" lore of DB, I'd wager that Cell looks like a bug man because insects are easy to gene-splice with, kinda like Jurassic Park when they use Frog DNA to fill in the gaps of genetic coding of recovered Dinosaur blood from fossilized mosquitoes.
With how the Saiyans were barbarians who had no concepts of love or friendship. It makes sense how the super Saiyan form and even legendary version in super would be lost to time I mean look at the royalty for example
I think you mean the opposite. We’ve actually seen every show and there’s so many non canon versions of dragon ball that we have no fucking idea what’s canon and what isn’t.
Also want to add that in the non-canon movie timeline, Broly seems to be younger when he turns into a regular super saiyan. So he does (non-canonically of course) become a super saiyan before Goku making him the first in a thousand years, but only in the non-canon timeline of course.
Broly is the LSSJ, if you analyze the franchise direction deep enough, you can realize about it. Yea, Broly was a rather plain character, but that doesn't invalidate him, we can't change this kind of things "because we prefer Goku".
@@MicaelAlighieriFollowing non-cannon logic, Bardock is absolutely the LSSJ, having in mind that he achieves super saiyan while Broly was still but a baby.
I always took it as Yamoshi was the first true super saiyan (aka saiyan of legend) Broly is a legendary saiyan in terms of his potential and power makes him a legendary Goku is the legendary super saiyan (aka a prophecy that came true)
Broly is the Legendary Super Saiyan, the legend clearly states ONE warrior with immense power who was feared even by his own race (in fact, King Vegeta wanted to murder him because he feared him). Goku, Vegeta and their offspring are more than one and they don't fit into that category. Initially, Goku was going to be that SSJ, but only because the series was going to end in Namek, with the defeat of Frieza and with Goku being the only SSJ, but the series went on and everything changed.
@@MicaelAlighieri blah blah and blah that you said that is non canon bs which is written up by TOEI Animation, Akira has nothing to do with it, as i said it always is Goku from the start to fulfill the prophecy; even the canon Broly from DBS has nothing to do with Legendary Super Saiyan he just is a mutation saiyan, not even a word Legendary appear when Akira mention about him
Its complicated. Before DBS: Broly, Akira Toriyama liked the episode so much that he drawed Bardock (from that special) in the frieza arc as a memory from Frieza. After BDS: Broly, Bardock's story was retconned and now its the one that appears in DB minus and the granola arc
2:48 I thought the point was that the legend is just going super Saiyan not like he is legendary super Saiyan, but since a lot of people can do it, the legend is just going super Saiyan
6:45 There's nothing to ever say you lose the form the more diluted your Saiyan blood gets, so like, he should be able to be one. If he's about 2/5ths Saiyan, which is 20/20/20/20/20 and thus 40% Saiyan, he's only 10% less than Gohan.
@@nickalas666 the Super manga? yeah it released post ToP for the anime and post Broly Super movie. Shocker; I know, but the Manga has been adapting the movies after they were released; for some reason lol
They’ll eventually have to or people won’t like seeing Broly anymore. He’ll just be like Frieza, a massive girthy log forcefully shoved down our throats. The whole hype for Broly IS JUST the green haired form.
I know GT isn't canon, but my own head cannon is SSJ4 is the True form of the super saiyan due to them needing their tail to achieve it. And if there's a legend of a super saiyan (just my head canon) then I believe the legend doesn't mention anything about them needed to lose their tail. So my head canon is SSJ4 is actually the Legendary Super Saiyan. I'm gonna get so flamed lol
I love the idea that Broly is the actual Legendary Super Saiyan. While it seems like it undermines our expectations and that Goku should be because he's the "main" character, but it actually makes Goku BETTER. Rather then being chosen by "destiny" or genetics, Goku EARNED his transformation and forged his own destiny. In the end, hard work and heroics trumps legend and unearned power - such as even the legendary Super Saiyan. It's an improvement to the story and serves to explain why other Saiyans can become "super". Because none of them are actually THE legendary Super Saiyan, because only Broly is the true Super Saiyan.
So true... Japanese culture doesn't cherish the gifted, but those who work hard to earn gifted results. It would make no sense for Japanese to make Son Goku the Legendary Super Saiyan. That manga would be called one-punch-man or something.
legendary super saiyan is the guy who happened to achieve it. it was always possible, its just saiyans never reached that point strength wise and in a situation to put them over into achieving it. therefore it was rare, so whoever achieved it was legendary. Broly was just ultra strong, and achieved it quickly, and is the "legendary" one. goku just got strong and achieved it.
You’re forgetting one. Didn’t mention GT’s lore, which heavily implies that the mysterious SSJ4 of the Old Kai’s time is the legendary Super Saiyan due to him supposedly being a Golden Oozaru as was shown in the original Z anime
@@reddragon100 never said it was. But Carthu went through non-canon material such as Bardock and Z Broly. Along with using Anime evidence when talking about Cell. So might as well also cover the other non-canon anime stuff
3:21 Pretty sure Vegeta thought of Super Saiyan being a Saiyan who is extremely Powerful, like how a Extremely Powerful Namekian is a Super Namekian, or a Super Namek, that is why he kept going with, "is He a Super Saiyan?" And such
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I really wanna see the Yamoshi fight. The idea of a bunch of normal class level sayans taking on a super saiyan is really interesting.
Probably the only reason he lost is because he was already weak to begin with. A weak person in dragon ball with a 50x amp is still weak. Just less weak than those around them. It’s like how if me and 4 other people jumped a dude who regularly works out we could beat him eventually.
Russian db fans are OBSESSED with the "golden oozaru" that was shown during the frieza saga in the anime They talk about it all the time and at any opportunity People were talking about how they hope that it will show up in Daima
Well, the "Golden Oozaru" technically appeared in GT, as the precursor to Goku's SS4 (I can't remember if Vegeta ever showed it before he went SS4 too, but if not, it's probably because he got it artificially through Bulma's Blutz Waves-generating machine).
@@CorelUser well no legend of the non canon broly but canon version when he appears in the fourth movie he is called a freak of nature by the king himself so that’s only like half true yes no legend but still is kind of called a freak but the king didn’t just try and kill him he actually tried mercy if you can actually call sending a kid to a planet that was super far away and basically useless to sayains all because he could possibly have gone berserk like his non canon counterpart and destroyed the universe so he was right to have done that and also wrong because broly was a child but to be fair I don’t think sayains know anything about kindness or mercy except for Goku when he first went super sayain was with his battle with frieza on namek and vegeta even has a hard time being nice because he’s technically prince vegeta jr. if we must use his full name though technically now a king since his father is dead and trunks is technically a prince who is half saiyain so vegeta would rather beet someone up or get into a fight than be nice while trunks probably learned kindness from his mother the real legend is how vegeta is technically vegeta jr. but nobody calls him junior how on earth does that happen also when goku goes super for the first time after watching krillin blow up was awesome and probably one of my favorite fights in this anime
6:49 he’s not doing wat master roshi does. Swole master roshi is his actual form and he suppresses his power to be frail master roshi. Similar to the way that frieza does.
One thing that this retcon did about the legend of Super Saiyan, it explained how Goku was able to survive and not be relegated to history (like Yamoshi was) because of three reasons (at least in my head-canon): 1. As you mentioned in your previous videos, the SSJ transformation had a 50x power multiplier. Thanks to his training for years on earth, King Kai's world and so on (6 days in 100x gravity as well) and then the extreme zenkai boost that Goku got due to his rejuvenation, his base power was high enough to make the transformation that much stronger. Yamoshi on the other hand might not have had as high a base power, so his transformation might not have given him a power boost as big, letting him get overwhelmed and killed. 2. Also, Goku had mastered the art of suppressing his ki by this point, which enabled him to sustain the SSJ transformation while minimizing power drain. While this was not perfect (he only masters the form to eliminate ki drain in the cell saga), it is still an advantage enough that Goku manages to sustain the combat with Frieza (even at 100% strength) without draining out. 3. Because Goku had trained in martial arts his whole life, he managed to retain enough control over his emotions that he didn't surge his ki too far and drain himself of the form, rather using the multiplied power to strategically fight and neutralize Frieza. Yamoshi on the other hand, might not have mastered such control, which might have led to him being overrun eventually. (And yes, while Goku was enraged, he was still able to maintain a level of control over his emotions while fighting Frieza. Even King Kai mentions that Goku, with his new found power and rage, is struggling to maintain control, showcasing that the fight was not just an outburst of rage, but strategic fighting fuelled by rage.) So in my mind, Goku exemplified how the Super Saiyan transformation could be harnessed ideally without the pitfalls that the original legend of Yamoshi had faced. So him being crowned the greatest fighter (at least for this saga/DBZ) makes absolute sense.
@@allworksnewThere can only be one legendary super Saiyan though, it's the first one to ever reach it right? But I'd say there's a new legendary super Saiyan and that's Goku reaching ultra instinct a level so powerful than even some of the gods can't even reach and Goku is just a mortal.
I would actually like to argue that Super's Broly is closer to the Legendary Supersaiyan than all of the other still living non-Goku Saiyans since Broly likely never knew anything about the legend and because he unlocked the form the same way that Goku did, whereas the other Saiyans unlocked it through training and observation. Broly was a mindless brute when he transformed and definitely wasn't observing his combatants in the hopes of learning to ascend. In many ways, Broly is a lot like Goku in demeanor and belief so he could still be a subversion of the Legendary Warrior trope that Goku's initial transformation was trying to subvert. The only real difference is that Broly was born with overwhelming power for the race and Goku was not.
Yamoshi: first super saiyan Goku: got the SSJ form again Super Broly: Series of mutants who have so much potential they could mimic SSJ1 power without actually transforming Z Broly: basically SSJ2 before SSJ2 was a thing Kale: Homage to Z broly (actually, Z broly was very much capable of critical thinking in the first movie unlike Kale)
A personal theory I always had that in the GT timeline, Goku being the only one able to turn ssj4 at will without blutz waves was because of him being the LSSJ.
@@JackedUpEntertainment this is false. I really don't know why people insist that there is any sort of real movie continuity because its simply not possible if you're also going to believe GT follows up the original run of Z with all the filler (which is where the water that exterminated the black water mist comes from in the GT arc where its used on baby's infections). Its physically impossible for some of these movies to have happened, like the fusion reborn movie especially. Goku and vegeta being dead would only happen if it was right after goku left the lookout. There is basically no possible instance where gohan is great saiyaman (when he should be presumed dead at this point, aka in the world of the kais,)and gotenks is ssj on screen while vegeta and goku are both dead. There is also the tree of might, which again can't happen if you also believe GT follows the original Z run. Even the fact cooler appears in GT makes almost zero sense since vegeta and goku being normal ssjs (clearly not any of the higher grades or mastered since gohan isn't a ssj yet) isn't possible since no one knew vegeta was a ssj until he saved goku's butt in the android saga and goku is out of commission because of the heart virus until they all head to the time chamber. Broly is similarly impossible for this reason, even more so because trunks is there, meaning is *has* to be dead middle of the android arc where goku *has* to be bed ridden. There isn't a movie continuity dimension that is compatible with GT or even the original Z run, it's safe to say each is their own warped dimension unconnected to GT and Z. Some iteration of the movies is likely in the GT timeline since obviously cooler appears (some bojack minions too i think...?) but the actual movies did *not* happen. You could even argue fusion reborn or some warped version of it happened in GT since it'd seem pretty damn unlikely they pulled it off first try (although it's also weird they could pull it off first try years later in entirely different bodies) but it's still far fetched. GT isn't a continuation of the movies as we know it, nor is it possible if you also believe old Z filler is canon in GT. Its just physically impossible for either of them to exist on the same timeline.
@@manipulatortrash you just have to accept that somehow both the movies and the Z anime happened in the GT continuity even tho it doesn't make sense, the Dr Slump manga is also canon to the DB manga yet that doesn't make any sense, you just have to accept that it's true even though the events don't line up, GT references The events of 4 (maybe 5 if you include return of cooler) movies in the show in someway. Yes again it doesn't make any sense at all but neither does Dragon Ball and Dr Slump sharing continuity but they very much
Id like to think that broly just is the the more primal and true version of the super Saiyan and with the new broly movie explaining it as him using the power of the ozaru just makes more sense
Sort of like Oda who will just spew out mountains of lore for a completely random question about a character we see for a only a second in the manga and then never again, these guys are masters of improv 😂
11:00 Actually, Nappa calls Gohan a “Chou Saiyajin” in Japanese. He’s basically just calling him a really strong Saiyan, not the legend (IE the Supa Saiyajin)
@@KingBuilder525 because they're not trying to adhere to the show canon, these are just fun little side stories. But on occasion they will bring in the original mangaka and actually make the movie at least somewhat canon, like with One Piece Film Red or the My Hero Academia movies.
I always theorized hat Brolys green and blue transformation was just how his genetics Expressed SSJ. Like Gokus hair sticks up when he goes Ssj 1 but its not that same case for Gohan when he was younger. Vegetas hair barely changes while Trunks can't keep a consistent style. Like, the colors dont actually mean much outside of your genetics like your eye color.
It was his mind control device. Obviously it had done something to him to the point where while wearing the mind control device his SSJ hair is blue and even after breaking off it had some effects where his LSSJ hair was neon-green. But in movie 10 with no mind control device his hair was normal yellow
Yamoshi and Goku EDIT: Its actually really interesting to me that the U6 Saiyans basically had a reverse version of the Super Saiyan Legend. I like it.
@@zetset8098 Not really. The whole legend of the SSJ is completely canon and mentioned outside of Bardock's movie. Not only that, but while most of the story of the movie is non-canon, the last part with Bardock facing Frieza and dying is canon, and it was also in the manga way before Super Broly showed Bardock's canonical full story
I had no idea Cell wasn’t made up of all the Z Fighters. He uses destructo disk , but that could be from Frieza, Vegeta, or Goku. I thought multiform and Solar Flare were from Tien but characters you mentioned used them as well. That makes me believe the biggest flaw Gero had was doubting the potential of humans, as it was Gohan’s human nature reacting with his Saiyan biology that unlocks his latent potential
Didnt Toriyama once say that saiyans needed to have a specific power level to become a super saiyan? Wonder how strong yamoshi was if he was able to transform?
Maybe Yamoshi was at a level of 3,000,000 also? But now my question is how come he didn’t completely beat the entire race? Was he too weakened? Gokou was already weakened when fighting Freeza, but then he seem to have regain his stamina, and Freeza at max was at 120,000,000 while Gokou was at 150,000,000 and was doing much better. Maybe Yamoshi’s stamina was too low. I don’t know :/
@@azimuddin1890maybe the saiyans in yamoshis time where doing tons of push ups sit ups and drinking plenty of juice and had power levels in the millions but in my opinion i dont think yamoshi had a power level of 3 million. Toriyama never specified what power level a saiyan needed to be to go super saiyan all we know is that it would have to be higher than 120 since kid goku didnt turn ssj when krillin died and most saiyans never went through something that would make them that mad. Yamoshi probably died because of 3 reasons 1 their was a large amount of saiyans to fight against so he would probably have had to constantly use his stamina 2 he probably didn't have alot of stamina and 3 he was probably already injured and tired when he transformed since he was fighting the entire saiyan race.
@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 vegeta didn't have that much of a pure heart when he went super saiyan he didn't even try to help his son and bulma when they where going to die in the android saga
@Noone-xf9uu training can play a part in it, look at gohan, he has a pure heart and had several moments of extreme rage that should have made him a super saiyan if it's just needing a pure heart and rage to trigger it, goku trained to his limits on namek when he snapped and transformed, vegeta trained until it practically broke him, and he still couldn't achieve it since he just wanted to transform, but as goku said it's born of a need, not a want, gohan and goku NEEDED the transformation, when vegeta stopped hunting the transformation he finally gained it
Not to nitpick, but if the Super manga and DBS: Broly differ like in the existance of full power SSJ, I would treat the movie as canon over the manga, since Toriyama was more involved with the movie
Toriyama was original creator of DB, however he didn't make all decisions. Decision making fell to whole team and companies that Toriyama was employed by. So correct way would be to formulate opinion based on final product and not purely on Toriyama's opinion..
I consider Vegeta to be the Legendary Super Saiyan of Universe 6, as he is the inspiration to Cabba to transform himself, and then _styles_ on him with the reveal of Super Blue. Arguably Goku could hold the title too, as he transformed in front of Cabba first, but Vegeta definitely made the bigger impact. As a kid, i always thought that Z-Movie Broly was possessed by a demon or similar, there's something about the way the power _explodes_ out of him uncontrollably when he transforms or attacks. And he's got such a degree of cruel evil that doesn't feel like it came from a mortal being. The restraining devices he's wearing don't shackle the power specifically, but the evil entity within him. And it would also explain the colouration differences of hair and ki - his transformation was mutated by the entity, and their Ki was blended together. (Toriyama later describing Super 2 and 3 as "mutations" of super saiyan rather than distinct forms cemented this idea in my head) It also fits with the general theme several of the later movies had of demons and other pure evils being the villains. Just my headcanon.
I mean, no matter how u feel about Broly, the fact is for Super Saiyan to really fit the status of "LEGENDARY", it kinda has to be special. Like think about it, if the form is so legendary why would it be accessible to just every Saiyan And I mean come on, Broly is the only freakazoid super strong Saiyan of all the ones we've ever seen in canon, aside from the hybrids like Gohan(and also Kale), so technically he fits the legendary status best(sorry for rambling) Edit: and in addition, unlike the hybrids like Gohan, Broly is a pure 100% Saiyan with unmatched potential so he actually fits the term "high class warrior" better than anyone
It's called Legendary Super Saiyan because it was a transformation that was done only by one man. Sure, every Saiyan can transform, but there hasn't been any who did until Goku because everyone thought of it as a myth of legend.
@@nem3732 I get u, but the fact that it has been proven to be aquirable by any Saiyan, even hybrids negates it's Legendary status. Therefore if a random Saiyan pops up with unmatched potential and a crazy exclusive form, he definitely fits the mold better than Goku who just showed that it was possible
@@nem3732 And if u still don't believe me, think abt it this way, Broly was a baby at the same time that Vegeta was a baby so they're roughly around the same age, maybe even with Goku. This means that in a hypothetical scenario where Broly was scent to Earth instead of Goku, he would have fullfilled the Legend of the Super Saiyan by defeating Frieza and basically everyone else without even having to transform into anything as we saw that Broly caught up to and surpassed SS Vegeta while he was in base. So it's safe to say that the form itself is actually just a transformation and the actual fulfilment of the "1000yr" thing was Broly since he, Goku and Vegeta are all relatively around the same age, so it's still after 1000yrs, yet only one of them on the entire planet could surpass a form they never even knew existed until Goku, while in base (Very sorry for rambling)
"once every thousand years a super Saiyan is born" Oh so Goku is the legendary super Saiyan. "Yes. Along with all these other people" Oh... So the legend is wrong. You can just work out hard enough and when you stub your toe you grow super Saiyan.. cool
My head canon is that Cell is kinda using his own transformation, the combined DNA reacts different with the Saiyan DNA, meaning hecan mimic the power but he's not a true super Saiyan. His eyes haven't changed which is usually a major change in appearance
5 guys dna, and then maybe some fighting skills from other human fights. But what was Gero gonna do if Cold and Freeza didn't show up? Then its just Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo in there.
@@ProjektTakuweird thought. could mean that Earth would have been safer if no one went to Namek. going to Namek attracted Frieza and Cooler back to Earth. so if Goku stayed dead Earth maybe would be unaffected. the planet would be more vulnerable, but it was like waving a flag at a bull. maybe if Goku stayed dead Gohan would take over and lead Earth into a more sober-minded stronghold. Goku clearly just wants problems. 😂
They never went away. I just have more variety in my content. I don’t want to make a lot of what ifs, run out of good ideas and have to make “What if Vegeta and Goku shared a toilet? Part 12” LMAO
Sorry I gotta call bull cuz they used to call (mainly Vegeta) everyone LSSj back in the day, suddenly takes away from Kale or Broly being actually the LSSj. Yes Vegeta thought he was the LSSj before Frieza killed him and he came back and saw SSj Goku. He even continued to call himself LSSj for a time when he did go SSj, but dropped the Legendary part once everyone and their grandmother started going SSj. But it is true that originally Goku was suppose to be LSSj, and the series was suppose to end with the Frieza Saga. That all changed as the series continued, along with some other things. Either way, the thing with Kale, they did make mention of a demonic Saiyan, a Saiyan of Legend when talking about her. So she could very well be her universes version of the LSSj, and given she was their first attempt to bring the LSSj Broly into canon I'd say that it double down on her being one. The dub does change it to could she be the Saiyan of Legend our ancestors talked about, from the might be the Saiyan's true form. But again, given the fact she was their first attempt at bring DBZ LSSj Broly into canon, than its more likely that Vegeta was talking about the LSSj. That and cuz he has no reason to guess that Kale just went into a or that there is a True Super Saiyan form. DBS Broly was created by Akira Toriyama (the man that made the og Broly) and Naohiro Shintani. The whole point of the character is to make Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan canon, and the fact that he his called a LSSj at the start is a big deal. So trying to wash over it as everyone called themselves or others LSSj years back is a copout. This SSFP isn't a thing, and isn't mentioned once in the tv series or the film or (as far as I know) the manga. Shame they left out the green hair in that manga. And there was no combining of SSj and Wrathful (Great Ape tapped). Yes Paragus was surprised to see Vegeta go SSj, and thought he was LSSj cuz he had no idea his son was actually it. He was trapped on that planet for decades, and all he knew was that King Vegeta said his son was a mutant that was incredibly powerful. King Vegeta left out the LSSj part, and even as Paragus saw his son going toe-to-toe with Vegeta SSjR, and Goku SSjB, he still doubted Broly. Even in Wrathful state, and thought Broly was a danger to everyone he doubted him. Then Paragus died before even getting to see his son hit SSj and LSSj.
6:57 no. actually cell states that he’s made up of raditz nappa and all the z fighters cells in the dub of the anime and if that’s not enough evidence the cell uses tiens cloning technique in the cell games and tien even says that he’s ashamed that his cells are in cells body.
No, the dub was always inaccurate with dialog cells only made up of those 5 characters, the multi form technique isn't exclusive to someone genes just like how cell can use the solar flare it isn't a hard technique to use
I would put cabba a little bit below "Him" section but above "kinda him" Because Cabba was the first in his universe but not the first in general Kale can stay where she is and Caulifla would be in "kinda him"
my personal headcanon is that the canon Broly is the same type of saiyan Kale is, and that the "full power" or "Berserker" forms are just a special type of Super Saiyan they have but this is just what i think, don't take it too seriously lol
To me the answer is simple: Broly. He is quite literally the most powerful Super Saiyan, even up to the day Toriyama died. And since the creator of Dragon Ball died, no one else can change that fact. Broly even has his own unique aura that is different from other Super Saiyans, and no Super Saiyan alone can beat him, its always have to be multiple fighters or a fusion of Goku and Vegeta to take him out. Now being Legendary Super Saiyan doesnt mean he is the most powerful of the universe, but it does make him the top Super Saiyan. Now if you dont wanna consider Broly canon, then I guess the only option is Goku, since he is clearly the second most powerful Saiyan by a pretty long mile.
The green haired form is the only legendary super saiyan form, that being broly and kale. Also it doesn’t matter, the new broly movie is canon…I don’t know why people say it isn’t…they confirmed this several times. Also, goku isn’t special dawg. His form is the same as everyone else’s, he was just first to transform in awhile.
@@Klnkykoala In canon Broly and Kale's forms are called Berzerker Super Saiyan and Wild Super Saiyan, not Legendary Super Saiyan. Toriyama says that Goku is the LSS.
Love your content. Can you talk about the great ape form next and how it's a missed opportunity to have been a pre super Saiyan form for all the Saiyans to master. And what I mean is the Broly version where he gained the 10x multiplier without needing a moon and staying in his human form. I think it'd be an awesome what if or discussion on how Saiyans could have had a base form power up similar to mystic Gohan
@@ProjektTaku it could be interesting to see Goku use great ape human on top of kaioken against freiza Or as a new base form power. I should ask around the DBZ community as this does sound like an interesting idea.
@@ivanbluecool I'd image he'd die right after if he uses kaioken ontop of wrathful (great ape humanoid form) after he's just unlocked. However I can see him mastering it and using it as a new base form in the Cell Saga like with Super Saiyan.
@@ProjektTaku well the ape form is basically a 10x multiplier so on top of kaioken it could be a 20 or 30 Great ape is his body while kaioken Is a booster making it seem very interesting
I hate what the did to Broly ngl. I just learned not too long ago that the green haired form wasn't even meant to be his final form, literally stripping him of what made him iconic. And what, you're giving the actual legend of the Legendary SSJ transformation to KALE?? Sure, we don't mind them, but I don't think anyone loves Kale and Caulifla. They could have at least added the same legend to DBS. Instead, Broly's just some random Saiyan with anger issues.
Super Broly is just a mutant. They didn't make him legendary since Toriyama wanted to mention Namek Goku legacy. Kale is from different universe where Goku don't exist and that's why series made her Legendary for fan service.
"Stripping him of what made him iconic" bro what? The concept of Broly being the LSSJ already stripped away Goku's whole arc in the Namek saga. That title wasn't even his to begin with. If anything, Broly having his unique Ikari form and unique Ikari Super Saiyan elevates the character on top of not destroying prior arcs. Since it not only makes more sense as an origin for a berserker type character (instead of being evil for no reason), we've also already seen the same concept in GT and it opens up so much possibilities for Broly's training arc
One aspect I think has been lost in media is characters misunderstanding something and then use using their misinformed statements as fact, then calling the actual truth a retcon. For example Goku could say “he’s (enemy) moving at light speed” because the enemy was moving too fast for Goku to track and he’d assume “oh you must be LS if your faster then I could track” and whole time it’s probably time skip or something like that
Wrong. The Original SSJ is Launch.
Now that I think of it..
Makes sense.
Who?
@@TheBloccobill The girl with Blue hair from Dragon Ball. When she sneezes, she turns blonde
Then that makes Bulma the first super saiyan blue
Yeah, but who's the Super-Duper Saiyan?
Gohan!
Ya ma
Or the Super-Dee-Duper Saiyan?
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Gokou
@@seansilv25 a hypothetical Goku and Gohan fusion
Cell would be 2/5 Saiyan, 1/5 Namekian and 2/5 Frieza Race. So you could argue he is just like gohan, goten or trunks. He is a half Saiyan who can turn super Saiyan. His genetics would dictate that
So where's the cicada part come in
@@RyouShi98 If I were head-canoning the "in-universe" lore of DB, I'd wager that Cell looks like a bug man because insects are easy to gene-splice with, kinda like Jurassic Park when they use Frog DNA to fill in the gaps of genetic coding of recovered Dinosaur blood from fossilized mosquitoes.
Could he also make a Golden or Black form like Frieza?
Vegeta: "I'm a Super Saiyan-!"
*Gets shot by Frieza.* 💀
Frieza couldn't stand his bull crap no more, little that he knew 🙃😔
By me lol
You see Frieza you're not dealing with an average Saiyan anymore
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Frieza: But Goku's not here yet.
@@waleedabdullahkhan5706He has risen above and become the legend… the legend that you fear… He has become the legendary, Super Saiy- (dies)
With how the Saiyans were barbarians who had no concepts of love or friendship. It makes sense how the super Saiyan form and even legendary version in super would be lost to time
I mean look at the royalty for example
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My goodness. This comment section really sums up: "Don't mess with Dragon Ball fans, We haven't watched the show"
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I think you mean the opposite. We’ve actually seen every show and there’s so many non canon versions of dragon ball that we have no fucking idea what’s canon and what isn’t.
Not really.
@Guava11534 LOL
@@Guava11534even toriyama was confused in his own writing😂 it’s so hard to keep track of everything now days
Also want to add that in the non-canon movie timeline, Broly seems to be younger when he turns into a regular super saiyan. So he does (non-canonically of course) become a super saiyan before Goku making him the first in a thousand years, but only in the non-canon timeline of course.
Yeah, Z Broly was born on the same day as Goku, but we see him as a SS when he's still a kid.
Broly is the LSSJ, if you analyze the franchise direction deep enough, you can realize about it.
Yea, Broly was a rather plain character, but that doesn't invalidate him, we can't change this kind of things "because we prefer Goku".
@@MicaelAlighierino he isn’t a the canon legendary super sayian
@@MicaelAlighieriFollowing non-cannon logic, Bardock is absolutely the LSSJ, having in mind that he achieves super saiyan while Broly was still but a baby.
The legendary Super Saiyans are the friends we made along the way
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so original 🙄
No it's broly
@@09ziyadit's a somewhat joke
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7:12 “YOU’RE SO RIGHT!” Lookin’ ahh cell💀💀
I used reverse cell technique and focused my ki
I always took it as
Yamoshi was the first true super saiyan (aka saiyan of legend)
Broly is a legendary saiyan in terms of his potential and power makes him a legendary
Goku is the legendary super saiyan (aka a prophecy that came true)
I agree with this
Broly is just some non canon bs bro, it has and always been Goku
@@fragaria1402broly is canon now, not dbz broly but DBS movie broly is canon
Broly is the Legendary Super Saiyan, the legend clearly states ONE warrior with immense power who was feared even by his own race (in fact, King Vegeta wanted to murder him because he feared him).
Goku, Vegeta and their offspring are more than one and they don't fit into that category.
Initially, Goku was going to be that SSJ, but only because the series was going to end in Namek, with the defeat of Frieza and with Goku being the only SSJ, but the series went on and everything changed.
@@MicaelAlighieri blah blah and blah that you said that is non canon bs which is written up by TOEI Animation, Akira has nothing to do with it, as i said it always is Goku from the start to fulfill the prophecy; even the canon Broly from DBS has nothing to do with Legendary Super Saiyan he just is a mutation saiyan, not even a word Legendary appear when Akira mention about him
Episode of Bardock is stated to be a what if story. So it can't be canon to anything.
Its complicated. Before DBS: Broly, Akira Toriyama liked the episode so much that he drawed Bardock (from that special) in the frieza arc as a memory from Frieza.
After BDS: Broly, Bardock's story was retconned and now its the one that appears in DB minus and the granola arc
If that’s the case, then Broly is the actual Legendary Super Saiyan
Well it's canon to me
@@mussajawara2844 that’s okay man! Gt is canon to me cause I hate the direction super went
@@juanibarra4927 Not that gt is any better
2:48 I thought the point was that the legend is just going super Saiyan not like he is legendary super Saiyan, but since a lot of people can do it, the legend is just going super Saiyan
Exactly. There’s the “legend of the super Saiyan” like Frieza says then there’s a “legendary super saiyan” form like Broly
*Launch sneezing and casually becoming a ssj before vegeta even knew about earth*
Im pretty sure carthu already mentioned that goku is the legendary super Saiyan in canon
Yeah, in a short from a little while ago
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@Blaze_FenrirYamoshi is the original “Super Saiyan God”
@@MercWTM2wrong. Yamoshi never achieved super saiyan god
6:45 There's nothing to ever say you lose the form the more diluted your Saiyan blood gets, so like, he should be able to be one. If he's about 2/5ths Saiyan, which is 20/20/20/20/20 and thus 40% Saiyan, he's only 10% less than Gohan.
Going from 50% down to 40% is losing 20% though lil bro
@@NowWeJustWinIt ...😑
it's kinda funny how the reversal of the manga coming out later than the anime muddied up so much of Kale and Broly's forms lol
😂😂😂 no it didn't
@@nickalas666 the Super manga? yeah it released post ToP for the anime and post Broly Super movie.
Shocker; I know, but the Manga has been adapting the movies after they were released; for some reason lol
@@pockystyx4087Yeah and I'm mad that Full power DBS Broly form isn't canon to the Manga.
They’ll eventually have to or people won’t like seeing Broly anymore. He’ll just be like Frieza, a massive girthy log forcefully shoved down our throats.
The whole hype for Broly IS JUST the green haired form.
@@nickalas666 Yes, the manga DID come out after the anime.
Vegeta: I WANNA, I WANNA BE A SUPER SAIYAN, I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA
im just thinking of tiens roasts
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Who knows, maybe I’ll be the next super saiyan
@@IRUNASSULT you can be if you play xenoverse 1 or 2 or both
I know GT isn't canon, but my own head cannon is SSJ4 is the True form of the super saiyan due to them needing their tail to achieve it. And if there's a legend of a super saiyan (just my head canon) then I believe the legend doesn't mention anything about them needed to lose their tail. So my head canon is SSJ4 is actually the Legendary Super Saiyan. I'm gonna get so flamed lol
I agree
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I love the idea that Broly is the actual Legendary Super Saiyan. While it seems like it undermines our expectations and that Goku should be because he's the "main" character, but it actually makes Goku BETTER. Rather then being chosen by "destiny" or genetics, Goku EARNED his transformation and forged his own destiny. In the end, hard work and heroics trumps legend and unearned power - such as even the legendary Super Saiyan. It's an improvement to the story and serves to explain why other Saiyans can become "super". Because none of them are actually THE legendary Super Saiyan, because only Broly is the true Super Saiyan.
My take there are two lssj one with heart of lssj (goku obviously) and other being lssj of strength which explain broly and kakrot conflict
So true... Japanese culture doesn't cherish the gifted, but those who work hard to earn gifted results. It would make no sense for Japanese to make Son Goku the Legendary Super Saiyan. That manga would be called one-punch-man or something.
Also there’s a huge cost to being the legendary super saiyan which is an overflow of energy causing madness and destruction everywhere.
legendary super saiyan is the guy who happened to achieve it. it was always possible, its just saiyans never reached that point strength wise and in a situation to put them over into achieving it. therefore it was rare, so whoever achieved it was legendary. Broly was just ultra strong, and achieved it quickly, and is the "legendary" one. goku just got strong and achieved it.
@@shredwerd009 you're implying his ssj is normal?
You’re forgetting one. Didn’t mention GT’s lore, which heavily implies that the mysterious SSJ4 of the Old Kai’s time is the legendary Super Saiyan due to him supposedly being a Golden Oozaru as was shown in the original Z anime
literally no one cares about gts lore
GT lore is not canon to main timeline.
@@reddragon100 never said it was. But Carthu went through non-canon material such as Bardock and Z Broly. Along with using Anime evidence when talking about Cell. So might as well also cover the other non-canon anime stuff
@@Ttzc788 talk about yourself little timmy
no one cares bro
3:21 Pretty sure Vegeta thought of Super Saiyan being a Saiyan who is extremely Powerful, like how a Extremely Powerful Namekian is a Super Namekian, or a Super Namek, that is why he kept going with, "is He a Super Saiyan?" And such
I really wanna see the Yamoshi fight. The idea of a bunch of normal class level sayans taking on a super saiyan is really interesting.
Probably the only reason he lost is because he was already weak to begin with. A weak person in dragon ball with a 50x amp is still weak. Just less weak than those around them. It’s like how if me and 4 other people jumped a dude who regularly works out we could beat him eventually.
That and he got jumped@@bitviper3430
Russian db fans are OBSESSED with the "golden oozaru" that was shown during the frieza saga in the anime
They talk about it all the time and at any opportunity
People were talking about how they hope that it will show up in Daima
They must love GT
I went to a Russian zoo in the late 2000s and they had painted one of the gorillas gold and the sign said "OZORO."
okay maybe I'm just not that involved in the russian db community, but what are you talking about???
I'm Russian, it's the first time I hear of this
@@dangerousdays2052that's kinda hilarious😭😭
Well, the "Golden Oozaru" technically appeared in GT, as the precursor to Goku's SS4 (I can't remember if Vegeta ever showed it before he went SS4 too, but if not, it's probably because he got it artificially through Bulma's Blutz Waves-generating machine).
Goku is the legendary super saiyan that is supposed to eradicate evil when he fought Frieza, Broly is the saiyan of legends who is a freak of nature.
Lssj ain't hero
There is no legend about a freak of nature Saiyan, so no
@@CorelUser Explain golden ozaru...
@@CorelUser well no legend of the non canon broly but canon version when he appears in the fourth movie he is called a freak of nature by the king himself so that’s only like half true yes no legend but still is kind of called a freak but the king didn’t just try and kill him he actually tried mercy if you can actually call sending a kid to a planet that was super far away and basically useless to sayains all because he could possibly have gone berserk like his non canon counterpart and destroyed the universe so he was right to have done that and also wrong because broly was a child but to be fair I don’t think sayains know anything about kindness or mercy except for Goku when he first went super sayain was with his battle with frieza on namek and vegeta even has a hard time being nice because he’s technically prince vegeta jr. if we must use his full name though technically now a king since his father is dead and trunks is technically a prince who is half saiyain so vegeta would rather beet someone up or get into a fight than be nice while trunks probably learned kindness from his mother the real legend is how vegeta is technically vegeta jr. but nobody calls him junior how on earth does that happen also when goku goes super for the first time after watching krillin blow up was awesome and probably one of my favorite fights in this anime
@@rossmelnyk1900 not Canon
"And he was just a monkey.. right??"
Never gets old LMAOFGKJHJGKL
bro I havent watched your channel in years and I come back in see you got a million followers and a nice edit like these man. I might be staying
6:49 he’s not doing wat master roshi does. Swole master roshi is his actual form and he suppresses his power to be frail master roshi. Similar to the way that frieza does.
I love how Cathu had the he's Him and he's not him spectrum
One thing that this retcon did about the legend of Super Saiyan, it explained how Goku was able to survive and not be relegated to history (like Yamoshi was) because of three reasons (at least in my head-canon):
1. As you mentioned in your previous videos, the SSJ transformation had a 50x power multiplier. Thanks to his training for years on earth, King Kai's world and so on (6 days in 100x gravity as well) and then the extreme zenkai boost that Goku got due to his rejuvenation, his base power was high enough to make the transformation that much stronger. Yamoshi on the other hand might not have had as high a base power, so his transformation might not have given him a power boost as big, letting him get overwhelmed and killed.
2. Also, Goku had mastered the art of suppressing his ki by this point, which enabled him to sustain the SSJ transformation while minimizing power drain. While this was not perfect (he only masters the form to eliminate ki drain in the cell saga), it is still an advantage enough that Goku manages to sustain the combat with Frieza (even at 100% strength) without draining out.
3. Because Goku had trained in martial arts his whole life, he managed to retain enough control over his emotions that he didn't surge his ki too far and drain himself of the form, rather using the multiplied power to strategically fight and neutralize Frieza. Yamoshi on the other hand, might not have mastered such control, which might have led to him being overrun eventually.
(And yes, while Goku was enraged, he was still able to maintain a level of control over his emotions while fighting Frieza. Even King Kai mentions that Goku, with his new found power and rage, is struggling to maintain control, showcasing that the fight was not just an outburst of rage, but strategic fighting fuelled by rage.)
So in my mind, Goku exemplified how the Super Saiyan transformation could be harnessed ideally without the pitfalls that the original legend of Yamoshi had faced. So him being crowned the greatest fighter (at least for this saga/DBZ) makes absolute sense.
I’d argue that the non canon legendary super saiyans are more of a legendary super saiyan than the canon non legendary super saiyans
I think that super saiyan is the real legendary super saiyan so when any saiyan become a super saiyan they become the legendary super saiyan
@@allworksnewThere can only be one legendary super Saiyan though, it's the first one to ever reach it right? But I'd say there's a new legendary super Saiyan and that's Goku reaching ultra instinct a level so powerful than even some of the gods can't even reach and Goku is just a mortal.
@@ThatBoyBentThe transformation itself is what’s legendary
I would actually like to argue that Super's Broly is closer to the Legendary Supersaiyan than all of the other still living non-Goku Saiyans since Broly likely never knew anything about the legend and because he unlocked the form the same way that Goku did, whereas the other Saiyans unlocked it through training and observation. Broly was a mindless brute when he transformed and definitely wasn't observing his combatants in the hopes of learning to ascend.
In many ways, Broly is a lot like Goku in demeanor and belief so he could still be a subversion of the Legendary Warrior trope that Goku's initial transformation was trying to subvert. The only real difference is that Broly was born with overwhelming power for the race and Goku was not.
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Yamoshi: first super saiyan
Goku: got the SSJ form again
Super Broly: Series of mutants who have so much potential they could mimic SSJ1 power without actually transforming
Z Broly: basically SSJ2 before SSJ2 was a thing
Kale: Homage to Z broly (actually, Z broly was very much capable of critical thinking in the first movie unlike Kale)
A personal theory I always had that in the GT timeline, Goku being the only one able to turn ssj4 at will without blutz waves was because of him being the LSSJ.
Wasn't it because he haad regrown his tail and Vegeta had not and he only had his tail back when he was in SS4 mode? Baby too I guess.
Unlikely since GT takes place in the movie continuity dimension and in that one Broly is the LSSJ
@@michaelgrey1503 right, vegeta had to force his tail out to even transform, it had nothing to do with status
@@JackedUpEntertainment this is false. I really don't know why people insist that there is any sort of real movie continuity because its simply not possible if you're also going to believe GT follows up the original run of Z with all the filler (which is where the water that exterminated the black water mist comes from in the GT arc where its used on baby's infections). Its physically impossible for some of these movies to have happened, like the fusion reborn movie especially. Goku and vegeta being dead would only happen if it was right after goku left the lookout. There is basically no possible instance where gohan is great saiyaman (when he should be presumed dead at this point, aka in the world of the kais,)and gotenks is ssj on screen while vegeta and goku are both dead.
There is also the tree of might, which again can't happen if you also believe GT follows the original Z run. Even the fact cooler appears in GT makes almost zero sense since vegeta and goku being normal ssjs (clearly not any of the higher grades or mastered since gohan isn't a ssj yet) isn't possible since no one knew vegeta was a ssj until he saved goku's butt in the android saga and goku is out of commission because of the heart virus until they all head to the time chamber. Broly is similarly impossible for this reason, even more so because trunks is there, meaning is *has* to be dead middle of the android arc where goku *has* to be bed ridden.
There isn't a movie continuity dimension that is compatible with GT or even the original Z run, it's safe to say each is their own warped dimension unconnected to GT and Z. Some iteration of the movies is likely in the GT timeline since obviously cooler appears (some bojack minions too i think...?) but the actual movies did *not* happen. You could even argue fusion reborn or some warped version of it happened in GT since it'd seem pretty damn unlikely they pulled it off first try (although it's also weird they could pull it off first try years later in entirely different bodies) but it's still far fetched. GT isn't a continuation of the movies as we know it, nor is it possible if you also believe old Z filler is canon in GT. Its just physically impossible for either of them to exist on the same timeline.
@@manipulatortrash you just have to accept that somehow both the movies and the Z anime happened in the GT continuity even tho it doesn't make sense, the Dr Slump manga is also canon to the DB manga yet that doesn't make any sense, you just have to accept that it's true even though the events don't line up, GT references The events of 4 (maybe 5 if you include return of cooler) movies in the show in someway.
Yes again it doesn't make any sense at all but neither does Dragon Ball and Dr Slump sharing continuity but they very much
I really want a backstory arc back to when Yamoshi was fighting all those Saiyans. Would be cool ngl.
Great vid!!
7:13 I think Roshi's max power form is just what happens when he tenses his muscles fully.
Its Just muscle expansion technique
Episode of Bardock isn’t canon, but I love the idea of the super saiyan of legend being Goku’s father. As a different continuity, I love it.
Bardock literally would never have become a Super Saiyan if Towa hadn't experimented on him to give him more power.
@@dangerousdays2052 no he would have th ssj transformation was unlocked with high emotion strength played no part in it till super
@@asuraofwrath We're not even talking about canon Bardock. 🙄🙄
Id like to think that broly just is the the more primal and true version of the super Saiyan and with the new broly movie explaining it as him using the power of the ozaru just makes more sense
You know toriyama thought of yamoshi on the spot😂
Sort of like Oda who will just spew out mountains of lore for a completely random question about a character we see for a only a second in the manga and then never again, these guys are masters of improv 😂
11:00 Actually, Nappa calls Gohan a “Chou Saiyajin” in Japanese. He’s basically just calling him a really strong Saiyan, not the legend (IE the Supa Saiyajin)
Nah in Japanese he says Supa Saiyajin. I’ve checked for this just in case.
@@CarthusDojo huh. Nappa DOES say Supa Saiya-Jin! Thanks for correcting me. Toriyama (intentionally or not) was REALLY foreshadowing it, wasn’t he?
@@celldh0825 Did you check manga or anime? I could see the manga using kanji for 超 in the text with furigana スーパー like DBS does.
You see Carthu, you’re not dealing with the average Saiyan warrior anymore.
No idea why the movies were ever treated as a valid source of info, besides "we can make merchandise with this"
I mean, if you're refering exclusively to the movies before BoG, then yeah.
What I don't understand is why anime creators produce movies with no care or thought for the show cannon.
@@KingBuilder525 because they're not trying to adhere to the show canon, these are just fun little side stories. But on occasion they will bring in the original mangaka and actually make the movie at least somewhat canon, like with One Piece Film Red or the My Hero Academia movies.
It's part of the show they can make merch from the main series too I guess nothing is Canon by your logic.
@@ProjektTakufilm red is not canon tho
I always theorized hat Brolys green and blue transformation was just how his genetics Expressed SSJ. Like Gokus hair sticks up when he goes Ssj 1 but its not that same case for Gohan when he was younger. Vegetas hair barely changes while Trunks can't keep a consistent style. Like, the colors dont actually mean much outside of your genetics like your eye color.
It was his mind control device. Obviously it had done something to him to the point where while wearing the mind control device his SSJ hair is blue and even after breaking off it had some effects where his LSSJ hair was neon-green. But in movie 10 with no mind control device his hair was normal yellow
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Kermit: Sup
Cell: Sup
Yamoshi and Goku
EDIT: Its actually really interesting to me that the U6 Saiyans basically had a reverse version of the Super Saiyan Legend. I like it.
Maybe z broly is the reverse version in his timeline
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@@bawtrawt377 thank you!
@@ChaddyFantome ofc, card captor gang 🃏
It's like a super Saiyan bargain sale😂
Cell’s buff form has such big muscles that they slow him down like grade three that is the only connection
Goku: ssj of prophecy
Broly: ssj of legend and blood
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Exactly
Prophecy? First Bardock movie is filler.
@@zetset8098 Not really. The whole legend of the SSJ is completely canon and mentioned outside of Bardock's movie. Not only that, but while most of the story of the movie is non-canon, the last part with Bardock facing Frieza and dying is canon, and it was also in the manga way before Super Broly showed Bardock's canonical full story
@@cosmefulanito6854 Legend yes but not Goku as prophecy guy who beat Frieza. Bardock vision is filler.
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I had no idea Cell wasn’t made up of all the Z Fighters. He uses destructo disk , but that could be from Frieza, Vegeta, or Goku. I thought multiform and Solar Flare were from Tien but characters you mentioned used them as well. That makes me believe the biggest flaw Gero had was doubting the potential of humans, as it was Gohan’s human nature reacting with his Saiyan biology that unlocks his latent potential
Didnt Toriyama once say that saiyans needed to have a specific power level to become a super saiyan? Wonder how strong yamoshi was if he was able to transform?
Maybe Yamoshi was at a level of 3,000,000 also? But now my question is how come he didn’t completely beat the entire race? Was he too weakened? Gokou was already weakened when fighting Freeza, but then he seem to have regain his stamina, and Freeza at max was at 120,000,000 while Gokou was at 150,000,000 and was doing much better. Maybe Yamoshi’s stamina was too low.
I don’t know :/
You're referring to S Cells, enough training, and a pure heart.
@@azimuddin1890maybe the saiyans in yamoshis time where doing tons of push ups sit ups and drinking plenty of juice and had power levels in the millions but in my opinion i dont think yamoshi had a power level of 3 million. Toriyama never specified what power level a saiyan needed to be to go super saiyan all we know is that it would have to be higher than 120 since kid goku didnt turn ssj when krillin died and most saiyans never went through something that would make them that mad. Yamoshi probably died because of 3 reasons 1 their was a large amount of saiyans to fight against so he would probably have had to constantly use his stamina 2 he probably didn't have alot of stamina and 3 he was probably already injured and tired when he transformed since he was fighting the entire saiyan race.
@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 vegeta didn't have that much of a pure heart when he went super saiyan he didn't even try to help his son and bulma when they where going to die in the android saga
@Noone-xf9uu training can play a part in it, look at gohan, he has a pure heart and had several moments of extreme rage that should have made him a super saiyan if it's just needing a pure heart and rage to trigger it, goku trained to his limits on namek when he snapped and transformed, vegeta trained until it practically broke him, and he still couldn't achieve it since he just wanted to transform, but as goku said it's born of a need, not a want, gohan and goku NEEDED the transformation, when vegeta stopped hunting the transformation he finally gained it
I see the legendary status of Goku vs Broly as comparing an actual legend to a legendary Pokémon
7:12 it literally say he powered up and says “like son Gohon” because they both powered up for a two times boost
Not to nitpick, but if the Super manga and DBS: Broly differ like in the existance of full power SSJ, I would treat the movie as canon over the manga, since Toriyama was more involved with the movie
Toriyama was original creator of DB, however he didn't make all decisions. Decision making fell to whole team and companies that Toriyama was employed by. So correct way would be to formulate opinion based on final product and not purely on Toriyama's opinion..
plus full power broly still wasn’t designed by toriama the green hair was added in by toei full power ssj broly by definition is filler
I consider Vegeta to be the Legendary Super Saiyan of Universe 6, as he is the inspiration to Cabba to transform himself, and then _styles_ on him with the reveal of Super Blue.
Arguably Goku could hold the title too, as he transformed in front of Cabba first, but Vegeta definitely made the bigger impact.
As a kid, i always thought that Z-Movie Broly was possessed by a demon or similar, there's something about the way the power _explodes_ out of him uncontrollably when he transforms or attacks. And he's got such a degree of cruel evil that doesn't feel like it came from a mortal being. The restraining devices he's wearing don't shackle the power specifically, but the evil entity within him. And it would also explain the colouration differences of hair and ki - his transformation was mutated by the entity, and their Ki was blended together. (Toriyama later describing Super 2 and 3 as "mutations" of super saiyan rather than distinct forms cemented this idea in my head)
It also fits with the general theme several of the later movies had of demons and other pure evils being the villains.
Just my headcanon.
I feel like there's 2 kinds of legendary ssj. Goku is the Legendary Ssj PERSON, and both versions of Broly have the Legendary Ssj FORM.
I mean, no matter how u feel about Broly, the fact is for Super Saiyan to really fit the status of "LEGENDARY", it kinda has to be special. Like think about it, if the form is so legendary why would it be accessible to just every Saiyan
And I mean come on, Broly is the only freakazoid super strong Saiyan of all the ones we've ever seen in canon, aside from the hybrids like Gohan(and also Kale), so technically he fits the legendary status best(sorry for rambling)
Edit: and in addition, unlike the hybrids like Gohan, Broly is a pure 100% Saiyan with unmatched potential so he actually fits the term "high class warrior" better than anyone
Facts
Personally i still think the legendary part of LSSJ is about it being prophesied but this is a really cool angle to see it as!
It's called Legendary Super Saiyan because it was a transformation that was done only by one man. Sure, every Saiyan can transform, but there hasn't been any who did until Goku because everyone thought of it as a myth of legend.
@@nem3732 I get u, but the fact that it has been proven to be aquirable by any Saiyan, even hybrids negates it's Legendary status. Therefore if a random Saiyan pops up with unmatched potential and a crazy exclusive form, he definitely fits the mold better than Goku who just showed that it was possible
@@nem3732 And if u still don't believe me, think abt it this way, Broly was a baby at the same time that Vegeta was a baby so they're roughly around the same age, maybe even with Goku. This means that in a hypothetical scenario where Broly was scent to Earth instead of Goku, he would have fullfilled the Legend of the Super Saiyan by defeating Frieza and basically everyone else without even having to transform into anything as we saw that Broly caught up to and surpassed SS Vegeta while he was in base. So it's safe to say that the form itself is actually just a transformation and the actual fulfilment of the "1000yr" thing was Broly since he, Goku and Vegeta are all relatively around the same age, so it's still after 1000yrs, yet only one of them on the entire planet could surpass a form they never even knew existed until Goku, while in base (Very sorry for rambling)
the final background music went so hard that I didn't listen a word of what he said
do you know what song was that?
@@gustavomenezes12 it from the broly movie i think
@@gustavomenezes12kakarot vs broly
Carthu, did you forget about Frieza's buff form? You didn't mention it at all when talking about Cell
i don't think i want to hear the phrase "Legendary Super Saiyan" again for a while
thank you 100% real carthu who is definitely legit
Another well done video master
Fun fact: In the Filipino Dub of DBZ, Mr. Satan was not called Mr. Satan, he was called “Master Pogi” (Master Handsome, in English)
Goku is the one who did legendary feats. He made the Legend in reality and help others achieve as well
It’s Yamoshi then Goku
"once every thousand years a super Saiyan is born"
Oh so Goku is the legendary super Saiyan.
"Yes. Along with all these other people"
Oh... So the legend is wrong. You can just work out hard enough and when you stub your toe you grow super Saiyan.. cool
My head canon is that Cell is kinda using his own transformation, the combined DNA reacts different with the Saiyan DNA, meaning hecan mimic the power but he's not a true super Saiyan. His eyes haven't changed which is usually a major change in appearance
I'm somewhat surprised he didn't sneak in a joke about SSJ Mr Satan.
I wanna know who the ancestors of the Saiyans were like? Were they Kaiju Monkeys right after being created by the Supreme Kais of Universe 7?
11:45 Wow, the power of an Oozaru in a normal form while stacked with Super Saiyan? So... Broly is Super Saiyan 4.
Thats... a really good point, actually. I would like to see ssj4 in canon eventually
SHALLOT MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️
The one who’s trashed by everyone, by Cell or Kermit.
*"Hehe, I'm HIM!"*
@@azimuddin1890 DevilArtemis representation.
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THE GOAT
Yay shallot😁😁😁
6:53 what about frieza full power/mucsle form
Cell has frieza dna so why not?
King Colds dna
The super sayian broly movie 8 says a legendary ssj is born every 1000 years…
I love the pure heart story better ❤️
Finding out Cell is made of only 5 people is wild. TFS made me think my boy Yamcha was in there somewhere 😂.
5 guys dna, and then maybe some fighting skills from other human fights. But what was Gero gonna do if Cold and Freeza didn't show up? Then its just Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo in there.
The funny thing is thst in DBZA canon, yamcha is apparently the one that cell DOESN'T have dna
@@ProjektTakuweird thought. could mean that Earth would have been safer if no one went to Namek. going to Namek attracted Frieza and Cooler back to Earth. so if Goku stayed dead Earth maybe would be unaffected. the planet would be more vulnerable, but it was like waving a flag at a bull. maybe if Goku stayed dead Gohan would take over and lead Earth into a more sober-minded stronghold. Goku clearly just wants problems. 😂
but then no super saiyan, no Goku, no legendary battle against Frieza so it’s valid
Because it's not true.
Like doflamango said who ever wins can decide justice history can be altered depending on the perspective
Who knew a Green Dinosaur named Yoshi came in and was THE Super Saiyan before he dipped to the Mushroom Kingdom. 😂
I need the what ifs back my goat 😭
They never went away. I just have more variety in my content. I don’t want to make a lot of what ifs, run out of good ideas and have to make “What if Vegeta and Goku shared a toilet? Part 12” LMAO
@@CarthusDojo what if broly was raised by galactic patrol
@@CarthusDojo We would need a part 1 first, my dude. XD
@@CarthusDojo what if Kratos and atreas entered the dbs univeres
or
What if goku entered the world of gow ragnarok,
@@CarthusDojoI completely understand you bro. Keep up with the peak content then! I’ll stay watching you and Smugstick!
1:37 imagine getting spoilers for Dragon ball legends
BRO HUH
WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN
@LDTechno I believe this was when Zaaha betrayed him after the Omnificence crystal was finished.
@@alexvalencia5713yea the story is already out but I think part 17 will be out before Christmas is here or maybe before November idk yet
Imagine clicking a video about a show and getting spoilers 😱
We get an ‘all claimants to LSS’ video before hytale
The Orginal legendary super saiyan was lunch
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Agreed!
The only legendary ssj with a gun
@@waleedabdullahkhan5706 bro what😭😭😭
Jesus loves you 🙏🏽✝️❤️ John 14:6
Bangers as always
Sorry I gotta call bull cuz they used to call (mainly Vegeta) everyone LSSj back in the day, suddenly takes away from Kale or Broly being actually the LSSj. Yes Vegeta thought he was the LSSj before Frieza killed him and he came back and saw SSj Goku. He even continued to call himself LSSj for a time when he did go SSj, but dropped the Legendary part once everyone and their grandmother started going SSj. But it is true that originally Goku was suppose to be LSSj, and the series was suppose to end with the Frieza Saga. That all changed as the series continued, along with some other things. Either way, the thing with Kale, they did make mention of a demonic Saiyan, a Saiyan of Legend when talking about her. So she could very well be her universes version of the LSSj, and given she was their first attempt to bring the LSSj Broly into canon I'd say that it double down on her being one. The dub does change it to could she be the Saiyan of Legend our ancestors talked about, from the might be the Saiyan's true form. But again, given the fact she was their first attempt at bring DBZ LSSj Broly into canon, than its more likely that Vegeta was talking about the LSSj. That and cuz he has no reason to guess that Kale just went into a or that there is a True Super Saiyan form. DBS Broly was created by Akira Toriyama (the man that made the og Broly) and Naohiro Shintani. The whole point of the character is to make Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan canon, and the fact that he his called a LSSj at the start is a big deal. So trying to wash over it as everyone called themselves or others LSSj years back is a copout. This SSFP isn't a thing, and isn't mentioned once in the tv series or the film or (as far as I know) the manga. Shame they left out the green hair in that manga. And there was no combining of SSj and Wrathful (Great Ape tapped). Yes Paragus was surprised to see Vegeta go SSj, and thought he was LSSj cuz he had no idea his son was actually it. He was trapped on that planet for decades, and all he knew was that King Vegeta said his son was a mutant that was incredibly powerful. King Vegeta left out the LSSj part, and even as Paragus saw his son going toe-to-toe with Vegeta SSjR, and Goku SSjB, he still doubted Broly. Even in Wrathful state, and thought Broly was a danger to everyone he doubted him. Then Paragus died before even getting to see his son hit SSj and LSSj.
I really think that Universe 6 Sandala's Saiyans came from a time line where Yamoshi or his parallel win against the evil Saiyans.
8:40 Maybe in a few centuries a legend about them will be written, but as of now, probably not.
3:29 you know Carthu knew ball when making this video & putting Gohan in his best character design
Better with the blue gi imo
I love your videos you always have such a great interpretation of db
Great video as always. But when's the next Dragonball What-if? 😁
Brilliant. I wouldn't have necessarily agreed if I just saw the list beforehand, but it's pretty tough to poke holes in most the logic.
“You see Frieza, you’re not dealing with the average Saiyan warrior anymore.”
Me when Carthu uploads: *ssj3 victory pose*
I am BEYOND starstruck that carthu liked my comment, easily the best dragon ball UA-camr
Great new video carthu, keep up the good work!
Bro I’ve never heard Carthu so upset, that Broly rant was something else.
SSJ3 has ties to legendary Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan is the legendary super Saiyan
super saiyan is the legend itself, it was so rare that almost nobody believed it even exists
yea cuz it's a form of a super saiyan lmao
Thank you again! First you settle the SSG arguments, then the SS vs SSJ now the SSL. Thank you my man!!!
6:57 no. actually cell states that he’s made up of raditz nappa and all the z fighters cells in the dub of the anime and if that’s not enough evidence the cell uses tiens cloning technique in the cell games and tien even says that he’s ashamed that his cells are in cells body.
No, the dub was always inaccurate with dialog cells only made up of those 5 characters, the multi form technique isn't exclusive to someone genes just like how cell can use the solar flare it isn't a hard technique to use
@@BepoD.Bear25 i have been proved wrong once again
I would put cabba a little bit below "Him" section but above "kinda him"
Because Cabba was the first in his universe but not the first in general
Kale can stay where she is and Caulifla would be in "kinda him"
It's not a measure of who's first though, it's about who fulfills the legend.
Cabba didn't fulfill the legend of his universe.
@@BassLiberators ah
after a rewatch I just realized he said universe 6 doesn't have a legend
@@Shadow_Microwaive But U7 didn't have a Legend before Yamoshi. So Cabba can be Yamoshi of U6.
my personal headcanon is that the canon Broly is the same type of saiyan Kale is, and that the "full power" or "Berserker" forms are just a special type of Super Saiyan they have
but this is just what i think, don't take it too seriously lol
To me the answer is simple: Broly. He is quite literally the most powerful Super Saiyan, even up to the day Toriyama died. And since the creator of Dragon Ball died, no one else can change that fact. Broly even has his own unique aura that is different from other Super Saiyans, and no Super Saiyan alone can beat him, its always have to be multiple fighters or a fusion of Goku and Vegeta to take him out. Now being Legendary Super Saiyan doesnt mean he is the most powerful of the universe, but it does make him the top Super Saiyan.
Now if you dont wanna consider Broly canon, then I guess the only option is Goku, since he is clearly the second most powerful Saiyan by a pretty long mile.
Toriyama said that Goku was the LSS and refused to give Broly a green transformation.
The green haired form is the only legendary super saiyan form, that being broly and kale. Also it doesn’t matter, the new broly movie is canon…I don’t know why people say it isn’t…they confirmed this several times. Also, goku isn’t special dawg. His form is the same as everyone else’s, he was just first to transform in awhile.
@@Klnkykoala In canon Broly and Kale's forms are called Berzerker Super Saiyan and Wild Super Saiyan, not Legendary Super Saiyan.
Toriyama says that Goku is the LSS.
Love your content. Can you talk about the great ape form next and how it's a missed opportunity to have been a pre super Saiyan form for all the Saiyans to master. And what I mean is the Broly version where he gained the 10x multiplier without needing a moon and staying in his human form.
I think it'd be an awesome what if or discussion on how Saiyans could have had a base form power up similar to mystic Gohan
What if Saiyans didn't have Super Saiyan? Then their only forms could be the humanoid great ape form and SSJG
@@ProjektTaku it could be interesting to see Goku use great ape human on top of kaioken against freiza
Or as a new base form power. I should ask around the DBZ community as this does sound like an interesting idea.
@@ivanbluecool I'd image he'd die right after if he uses kaioken ontop of wrathful (great ape humanoid form) after he's just unlocked.
However I can see him mastering it and using it as a new base form in the Cell Saga like with Super Saiyan.
@@ProjektTaku well the ape form is basically a 10x multiplier so on top of kaioken it could be a 20 or 30
Great ape is his body while kaioken Is a booster making it seem very interesting
So basically what if the the saiyan’s had ikari
I hate what the did to Broly ngl. I just learned not too long ago that the green haired form wasn't even meant to be his final form, literally stripping him of what made him iconic. And what, you're giving the actual legend of the Legendary SSJ transformation to KALE?? Sure, we don't mind them, but I don't think anyone loves Kale and Caulifla. They could have at least added the same legend to DBS. Instead, Broly's just some random Saiyan with anger issues.
Super Broly is just a mutant.
They didn't make him legendary since Toriyama wanted to mention Namek Goku legacy.
Kale is from different universe where Goku don't exist and that's why series made her Legendary for fan service.
Broly in Super is written 100x better than Z Broly.
Toriyama took a trash character and made him great.
@@reddragon100 she isn't legendary if she was broly would be too, this whole "mutant " Shenanigan everybody is relying on is stupid
@@BassLiberators bro is definitely not loved 😭
"Stripping him of what made him iconic" bro what?
The concept of Broly being the LSSJ already stripped away Goku's whole arc in the Namek saga. That title wasn't even his to begin with.
If anything, Broly having his unique Ikari form and unique Ikari Super Saiyan elevates the character on top of not destroying prior arcs. Since it not only makes more sense as an origin for a berserker type character (instead of being evil for no reason), we've also already seen the same concept in GT and it opens up so much possibilities for Broly's training arc
One aspect I think has been lost in media is characters misunderstanding something and then use using their misinformed statements as fact, then calling the actual truth a retcon.
For example Goku could say “he’s (enemy) moving at light speed” because the enemy was moving too fast for Goku to track and he’d assume “oh you must be LS if your faster then I could track” and whole time it’s probably time skip or something like that
It’s confirmed. Shallot is the first super saiyan.
In canon yamoshi was the first super saiyan
@@Nmoment-uv6jcyou’re slow man
but shallot's and Yamoshi's story is same, both were fighting over evil saiyans
“Shallot”’s a _much_ better name for a Saiyan than “Yamoshi.” Why would Toriyama give the canon original Super Saiyan a seemingly non-Saiyan name?
@@JoelERea that's what iam saying