30:26 My headcanon is that during Ultimate Alien Azmuth saw how absolutely hideous Juryrigg was and went out of his way to add the ability for the Official Omnitrix to manifest clothes specifically for Juryrigg.
@@flysoup3607those weren’t even exactly clothes. They’re supposed to be stabilizer devices. Actually, Brainstorm has one too. The belt he’s wearing is supposed to act as a breathing brace
Also the reason why Flashfire (my Quilava dna sample in a hypothetical Pokémon Omnitrix) has the dial on his chest, where it’s protected whenever I use Flamewheel.
Yeah, the Omnitrix positioning is the only problem I actually have with it. There are some aliens where putting the symbol on the shoulder works, but Cannonbolt just doesn’t.
The obvious explanation for Bloxx is that in the Ben 10 universe, Ole Kirk Christiansen (the founder of LEGO) was a Plumber who met a Segmentasapien, and when he retired and and founded The Lego Group, that Segmantasapien was the inspiration for LEGO blocks.
My headcanon was that they are manufactured beings like the galvanic mechamorphs. Except that the segmentasapiens are so few that azmuth put their dna in the omnitrix cause they are basically an endangered species
That’s gotta be trippy for any Segmentasapiens who visit earth. Imagine going to another planet and finding out a popular toy amongst its dominant species’ young resembles a disassembled version of you.
the only good ones imo were Rath and Four Arms, Lodestar looks the same, XLR8, Upchuck and Cannonbolt don't look good at all and Big Chill looks the worst
@@theamazingspooderman2697 agree to disagree but the ones that look largely similar still look good, which is impressive for an entirely different art style
@@axelnilsson5124 Humungousaur is almost the same, except he has six packs now Diamondhead also looked almost the same, also I think the spikes on his arms were a last minute addition cuz they look like they could be forcefully removed easily, it's better than UAF design so include Diamondhead in the better ones too Upgrade's alright, hes missing the Omnitrix symbol too so a no from me, plus we didn't see him in the actual show Shocksquatch is just a Yeti to me in Heroes United, also can't compare him as he isn't in the actual show
7:13 Fun fact: UAF ghostfreak actually had TWO designs. The second design is seen in the episode where Ben heads inside the Ultimatrix. I personally prefer that one since he looks more creepy then the OG.
remember when old ghostfreak used to show whats inside offscreen to scare people? thats why i liked that design more. im a fan of horror genre and fear of the uknown is really up there. never knowing what he actually looked like was part of its scariness for me. the gray was just the fake skin he uses to hide the true self
I appreciate it because it’s given my time to watch through the entire series for my first time as an OV hater, and so I am now just as excited as you guys for the breakdowns because, well, it’s a fucking awesome iteration of Ben 10.
I think I can heavily agree that most aliens introduced in their respective seasons look best in their seasons. But man does reboot blow out the competition with Humongousaur out of fricking nowhere.
@@enter-clever-name not for me, he's missing his detailed gill slits on his side and his lightning thing coming from his chest is covered too bcz of the cloth piece
You have no idea how happy I was when Kellen brought up Reboot Humungousaur! Imo it's the only alien that was significantly improved by the reboot, going from just a humanoid dinosaur that grows bigger (before the writers forgot) to a humanoid dinosaur with an ankylosaur tail that unleashes sonic booms on impact. Plus the black spikes on his back add just enough detail and colour to break up his otherwise bland brown body.
Best Gwen design, og The ultimate alien force ones were just school uniform with different colors. The second one with the black vest and pants was a nice change but wish there was more to it. Plus her hair should have been bright orange like before Omniverse had a good new outfit that mixed the school uniform asthetics with the og colors. Bbbuuuttt not a fan of the haircut and glasses like.... why does she have them now?
I'm honestly surprised they didn't talk about any of the mid-blosom designs for Swampfire. I honestly think his first mid-blossom stage is the best he's ever looked.
About the Humongosaur being literally a man-shaped dinosaur: In the Italian dub, Humongosaur is known as "Omosauro". A combination of "Uomo" (man) and "Dinosauro" (dinosaur). HUMONGOSAUR IS LITERALLY CALLED "DINOSAUR MAN" IN ITALIAN.
İn Bulgarian he's called something like "Човекозавър" aka something like humansaur, i think this might be a translation thing because the humungous part of humungousaur sounds like human
@@pn2294 I always wondered what a Galvan transformation of Max would be like. Cause the Omnitrix calculates the ideal amount of years a Galvan can work for the users age. E.g. Ben is 16 years old but Grey Matter is a few hundred years old as a counterpart. So if Max turned into a Galvan, wouldn’t he be on the same level as Azmuth?
Honestly i love Ghostfreaks OV design and the implications: The Omnitrix is trying to constrain the Ectonurite DNA (since it has a tendency to become Z'Skayr) so the chains are literally preventing the DNA from escaping again. I understand why the green color isnt appealing, but if you consider the implications of the design then you start to appreciate it a lot more
Yeah! OV's design changes were the best when they had in story reasons. Just like with upchuck having subspecies, or bulfrags dna being from before uncerseans planet blew up and ship gravity made most of them wimpy.
29:00 I legitimately had NO idea Eatle was supposed to be a beetle before the Omniverse redesign. In UAF I thought he was some sort of robot shark/rhino creature and his name didn’t clue me in on what he was cause I thought it was a condensed version of “eat all”. It blew my mind when I finally realized he was supposed to be a beetle and I have the Omniverse design (my favorite Eatle design) to thank for that.
Fun video idea for you guys: drawing UAF aliens in classic style and drawing OV aliens in both classic and UAF style. We always see designs move forward but never backwards
My personal headcanon is that for aliens like Jurryrig, the Omnitrix rearranges the molecules in Ben’s clothes to create new clothes (and goggles) for the alien. And that's why the belt thing is on most aliens 30:27
I mean that's always been the case since classic, is just that it was more subtle and the texture tried to fit the users clothes. But in this case is just a leap.
I love Way Big's second set of eyes in his classic design. They make sense, when you're so much bigger than literally everything else in the universe you need to be able to see what's below you at all times.
IMO OV Waybig is best, theres barely competition! Classic one is still good, but slightly too messy & UAF one is WAY too simplistic, while OV one is best of both worlds, it looks INSANELY cool!!!
Humungousaur became just a big lizard when they stopped using his size changing power! All the extra details and everything with the scales forming was pretty unique, and they just acted like it didn't exist from UA forward.
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 Way Big is easily one of Ben’s fastest aliens for some reason. There's that one ep where Way Big runs so fast that he created a tornado
the suits and belts on Omniverse never bothered me because i always saw it as an extension of Bens state of mind, Classic it was pure alien and the Omnitrix went to the most optimal spot as it always does, in UAF Ben saw himself as more of a plumber and always had the Omnitrix on his chest like a badge no matter what, and for Omniverse every alien felt like they had their own superhero costumes because Ben wasn't just a plumber he was also a full time superhero. P.S i like Omniverses ghost freak the best because the chains make it look like the Omnitrix is keeping him at bay and from taking control of Ben like he's done before.
I just felt like the clothes help add a bit more personality. Plus it IS odd that most of the aliens are just out in the nude. Like Rath. Just that a good chunk of aliens if they are civilized SHOULD have clothes to some degree.
@@jacobfoxfires9647 Bro The Funny Shit Is They Said The Reason Why AF/UAF Doesnt Have Any Clothes On Them Becasue Of A Glitch In Omnitrix, Which Makes Them Naked When Ben Transform Then. The Reason Why OV Tried Give Clothes To Them Becasue Ben Now Casually In Touch With Lot Of Aliens And Do You Think They Would Like To Someone From Their Species Walking Around Naked? Even In The Rath Species And Some Ice Cream-like Alien Agreement Episode It Said To Ben Actually Walked With Rath As Naked Whole AF/UAF Lmao.
My problem with ov designs is the green. If they wanted to keep the green cause its ben signature colors in that series they could have changed the shade and texture for some suits. In classic you had grey, black n white, neutral colors that helped make some aliens pop with their different colors. Even the omnitrix had these colors so nude aliens looked great
I actually love the chains on ghostfreak! To me it always felt like that was to represent that Z’skayr couldn’t come out that way, leaving it fully in ben’s control.
Honestly I would love a similar thing with what happened with upchuck to be applied to shocksquatch, it just makes sense for them to be subspecies with such different designs
What get's me conflicted about shocksquatch design is that in OV his proportions actually match up to fisks, the Sasquatch from the secret saturdays. Which might feed into the idea that they're actually related, an interesting concept if it was ever explored but I don't think it is. With heroes united shocksquatch being it's own unique thing is really cool though... The subpecies thing could be a solution, though I feel like it would beed more story explanations
Well a showcase episode of their planet similar to upchuck's would do a good job to explain it, maybe one lives in more colder regions and one more forested, so heroes united acts as a yeti reference on top of a sasquatch one. But since people were much more likely to only see the OV version I doubt they ever had ideas for it, although I would be interested in seeing the OV design in heroes United colours
@@ghengiroo4143 I wish they used UA's Eatle design as a tease of his new powers in omniverse saying, he has a power similar to kevin, of being able to produce the substance he eats, and make an armor out of it. make it distinct enough from upchuck and even kevin's powers, while still keeping the eating aspect of its powers
Actually OV Jury Rigg’s attire is a reference to a legend originated from British ace pilots during WWII according to which gremlins messed with airplanes in the air and caused malfunctions and crashes, that’s the reason why he wears a flight suit
Chromastone's Omniverse redesign is apparently supposed to be a Gundam reference. And the reason he didn't appear much (and got a redesign) is because Cartoon Network told them not to use aliens that had low toy sales much (which is why Brainstorm and Chromastone only got two appearances, because their toys didn't sell during AF/UA).
damn bro. toy sales really do suck at maintaining a franchise. why wasn't there more funko pop merch or clothes for merch i'd kill for a ov hoodie or a uaf jacket.
I have the headcanon that the chains on Ghostfreak in omniverse were created by the omnitrix as a way to restrain the ectonurite dna or Zs'Skayr's personality from taking over Ben again.
Great video, I'm glad you guys chose Classic Way Big, he is so detailed and he actually looks like Ben's "Ultimate Final Transformation" to end the Secret of the Omnitrix movie, he looks so epic and mysterious like this
Yes, agreed! OV Diamondhead is SO sick! hands down my fav version of him! I'm not the biggest fan of the Chromastone "clothes" on him. & Neither am I the biggest fan of Chromastone being a Petrosapien god, pretty much, I'd rather him be a resident of Petropia, like Humonusuar & Astrodactyl are both inhabitants of Terradino (I think thats what its called)!
7:34 I just thought of something, what if the in universe reason he has bigger shoulders is because there starting to become the shoulder volcanoes on Ben 10,000 Heatblast.
Just a slight thought, what if Albedo's ultimate's ended up different in omni because he put them through different simulations or maybe just made them "evolve" for a longer time.
nice theory, what if everytime Ben/Albedo use ultimate evolution feature it can cause constant changes of the designs, considering that with each simulation dna can adapt/ improve different ways to evolve. This may be used for ultimate humongosaur and spidermonkey. They have their own changes. Omniverse humongo adapts more into armor for tank way to survive making his muscles merge/change into metalic muscles and spidermonkey may evolve from having stilt spider legs into multiple gorrila legs for maximising potential streght.
6:36 I didn't like OV Ghostfreak until the after they visited Anur Transyl. The chains fit seeing how the other Ectonorites on Anur Transyl looked with chains, nooses, ropes, and those old fashion wooden head and hands trap thing. The only thing I might change on OV Ghostfreak is making the chains a bit more grey.
Considering how for a lot of the designs each of you liked certain aspects of certain designs, would be cool if you made a video series where you all create designs of alien forms that includes the best of all designs across all series. Kind of like for each alien you come up with an overall ink tank approved design for each of the aliens, that includes the best or most liked of each alien design from each series.
There was an episode of UAF where we saw different coloured Necrofriggian/Big Chill and while I like Ben’s blue version, I like the natural white version as it makes sense for a species that exists in snow and cold.
I respect the Classic series for going all out with the designs. Almost every single OG design knock their makeover out of the park, or atleast isn’t surpassed. I honestly think only UAF Diamondhead was a real improvement over the classic version but it’s only because Diamondhead is a pretty simple looking transformation to begin with, so unlike the other aliens, there weren’t any special touches to overlook
Always great to have Kellen in this. Plus, personally I love the OG and reboot designs of my favorite aliens Heatblast, XLR8, Wildvine, and Grey Matter
@@theamazingspooderman2697 True, but overall I do like the overall design and colors. Plus I do respect that he gains his OG venus flytrap in his Omni-enhanced form
@@theamazingspooderman2697 I agree. I love Heatblast's jetpack, XLR8's energy booster wheels and visor, Wildvine's pair of energy limbs, and Grey Matter's energy and rock suit.
I had a discussion the other day when I was watching OV for the first time and saw heatblast. It is actually a strong possibility OV is an in-between of classic and 10k. Maybe as he gets older the shoulder pads morph into the volcanoes.
Love the passion you all clearly have for the series What I wouldn't give to chop it up with you all about my own favorite moments Great video, would love to see more discussions like this
The OV Four Arms doesn’t just feel like “big red guy”, the extra pecks and arms coming from the armpits feel more unique. Which is pretty difficult to do for an alien who’s pretty much just a big red guy with extra arms.
the omniverse chromastone reminds me of that famous tf2 workshop cosmetic submission for scout that was immediately rejected for not fitting the art style
Omniverse jury rigg is one of my favorite aliens I love his design his vibe and the fact that he's basically just another smart alien but doesn't act like one is cool
6:10 did it take anyone else a long thing to realize those are his eyes on the side of his head? I thought they were just tubes cause he shot the snot out of them
In defense of the omnitrix “creating” clothes for certain aliens, Nanomech was created by the omnitrix in response to the alien swarm. Even though he’s a living creature he’s also cybernetic in nature. Also, Upgrade is a unique alien in the sense that Ben can’t completely bond with the DNA, due to the fact that that galvanic mechamorphs are as much “machine” as they are organism. So the omnitrix has a weird loophole with “inorganic” material.
I personally like the idea of ov ghost freak having chains because it suggests that z’skayrs dna is still not completely separate even after asmuth changes that in UA, my head cannon is that although asmuth fixed personalities being generated in UAF, ghost freak or zkayr is still able to use his piece of dna inside the omnitrix and that the chains are there to prevent z’skayr from emerging and taking over again
Kero the artist: says there are Bloxx diffenders. Me: I am one of them and no can tuch my segmented baby other then me "holding a tiny Bloxx in the shape of a baby"
Haven't watched yet, but Swampfire's best design is the one when he first starts mutating in OV. It's just a buffer version of his first OV design. It's perfect honestly
the 1st stage blossom form? If so, I agree! Also, what if Swampfire looked like 1st stage blossom form as a base form with full-blossom being a power boost form, like if he needs a boost, he morphs into full-blossom to get stronger, but if he use too much power he reverts back to base form (1st stage), that'd be really cool!! Don't you agree!?
30:26 My headcanon is that during Ultimate Alien Azmuth saw how absolutely hideous Juryrigg was and went out of his way to add the ability for the Official Omnitrix to manifest clothes specifically for Juryrigg.
Didn't it manifest clothes before, too?
@@oneblacksun technically is always been able to produce clothing as evidenced by aliens like Fourarms and Greymatter having suits in both OS and UA
Not to Jururigg😔😔
@@oneblacksunOnly for NRG and Goop. The other clothing was just Ben's clothes morphed into a jumpsuit
@@flysoup3607those weren’t even exactly clothes. They’re supposed to be stabilizer devices. Actually, Brainstorm has one too. The belt he’s wearing is supposed to act as a breathing brace
The fact that the Cannonbolt discussion derailed into an attack/defense of Kuro’s Cannonbolt design is simultaneously wholesome and hilarious
Friends flame friends design choices
I loved the whole “what if he hit a wall and turned into flipping Gray Matter” discussion.
Also the reason why Flashfire (my Quilava dna sample in a hypothetical Pokémon Omnitrix) has the dial on his chest, where it’s protected whenever I use Flamewheel.
Yeah, the Omnitrix positioning is the only problem I actually have with it. There are some aliens where putting the symbol on the shoulder works, but Cannonbolt just doesn’t.
@@PlatformingCyndaquil Thats a fusion I never expected but I am all for it
The obvious explanation for Bloxx is that in the Ben 10 universe, Ole Kirk Christiansen (the founder of LEGO) was a Plumber who met a Segmentasapien, and when he retired and and founded The Lego Group, that Segmantasapien was the inspiration for LEGO blocks.
*Lego bricks, NOT blocks. But, thats funny!
My headcanon was that they are manufactured beings like the galvanic mechamorphs. Except that the segmentasapiens are so few that azmuth put their dna in the omnitrix cause they are basically an endangered species
@@reakefit7304 Cool, cool!
That’s gotta be trippy for any Segmentasapiens who visit earth. Imagine going to another planet and finding out a popular toy amongst its dominant species’ young resembles a disassembled version of you.
@@ShibuNub3305and reciving no royalties
I still find it increasingly impressive how well the generator Rex team managed to do the aliens for Hero's United
Too bad we didn’t get more than 10 aliens in that art style
the only good ones imo were Rath and Four Arms, Lodestar looks the same, XLR8, Upchuck and Cannonbolt don't look good at all and Big Chill looks the worst
@@theamazingspooderman2697 what about Humungousaur, Diamondhead, Upgrade and Shocksquatch though?
@@theamazingspooderman2697 agree to disagree but the ones that look largely similar still look good, which is impressive for an entirely different art style
@@axelnilsson5124 Humungousaur is almost the same, except he has six packs now
Diamondhead also looked almost the same, also I think the spikes on his arms were a last minute addition cuz they look like they could be forcefully removed easily, it's better than UAF design so include Diamondhead in the better ones too
Upgrade's alright, hes missing the Omnitrix symbol too so a no from me, plus we didn't see him in the actual show
Shocksquatch is just a Yeti to me in Heroes United, also can't compare him as he isn't in the actual show
Kuro: “You’ll never catch me praising Bloxx”
Also Kuro while playing Omniverse 2: “Damn, looks like Bloxx has to carry me, even over my boy Swampfire”
Dude even called bloxx his boy in that game. I was expecting a compilation of him praising bloxx while playing that game lol
Bloxx is perfectly fine even tho hes not my fav!
Maybe he secretly loves Bloxx, even if he doesn’t know it himself
@@MarkHerrera24 A tsundere for bloxx? Dang that's pretty funny
7:13 Fun fact: UAF ghostfreak actually had TWO designs. The second design is seen in the episode where Ben heads inside the Ultimatrix. I personally prefer that one since he looks more creepy then the OG.
agreed UAF second design for ghostfreek is the better one
Trueeeee
The large green eye and voice were actually well made
@@scarlightemperor3410hè was creepy in the oh but here hè looks faire
remember when old ghostfreak used to show whats inside offscreen to scare people? thats why i liked that design more. im a fan of horror genre and fear of the uknown is really up there. never knowing what he actually looked like was part of its scariness for me. the gray was just the fake skin he uses to hide the true self
@@virajachlike toepick but better
This is the longest tease for Omniverse I’ve ever seen, and I don’t mind it. Really builds up the hype for the OV breakdowns.
Exactly what i was thinking
I appreciate it because it’s given my time to watch through the entire series for my first time as an OV hater, and so I am now just as excited as you guys for the breakdowns because, well, it’s a fucking awesome iteration of Ben 10.
He said on my post on reddit that his webcam shit itself.
OV breakdowns are going to be awesome, love the show
wdym?
I think the ghost freak chains were a symbolic gesture if the fact that the omnitrix has a stronger hold on Zs'skayr DNA
Cool idea, bad execution.
@@bthsr7113 OV Ghostfreak looks sick!
Yeah I always figured that. I think the chains ate sick, I'd make them maybe green rims with black chains or something like that tho
Definitely cool idea, but I feel like they went a bit too heavy on the green. Even Ghostfreak’s body has sort of a greenish hue to it
@CaptainObliviousV yeah the could have made his body more of a pure white
Feel like brainstorm is the only one who can fairly have the belt because it's a breathing brace and actually has a purpose
why didn't ripjaws get one.
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 excellent question
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265because crustaceans can breathe out of water as long as their gills are wet, but fish can not
Kuro has a hairmatrix that allows him to change his hairstyle to any style he wants
The Domatrix, allows the user to change their hairdo at will.
True.
I have it too and my favourite hairstyle is Afrodome.
*insert kuro hair song*
I think I can heavily agree that most aliens introduced in their respective seasons look best in their seasons. But man does reboot blow out the competition with Humongousaur out of fricking nowhere.
only redesign that looks better than Prime Ben's aliens
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Personally I think reboot Jetray out does UAF Jetray
@@enter-clever-name not for me, he's missing his detailed gill slits on his side and his lightning thing coming from his chest is covered too bcz of the cloth piece
Ikr?! The spikes, the tail, I love them!
@@enter-clever-nameain't no way that shit ugly asf 💀
Now we need a part 2. Not of aliens, but character designs
Best Kevin design is classic Kevin 11 imo
I love how he’s a Frankenstein like design with all of Ben’s og aliens
@@Right_Bumper young amalgom in omniverse is also really good
I hope they do that
@Right_Bumper looks it omniverse dude look awesome in omniverse
You have no idea how happy I was when Kellen brought up Reboot Humungousaur! Imo it's the only alien that was significantly improved by the reboot, going from just a humanoid dinosaur that grows bigger (before the writers forgot) to a humanoid dinosaur with an ankylosaur tail that unleashes sonic booms on impact. Plus the black spikes on his back add just enough detail and colour to break up his otherwise bland brown body.
Agreeable
Same, easily the best version of Humungousaur, both in design and powers
What about HO?
Isn't he better
@@vgngolley341agreed
@@Iikkxx35567 Cool
Timestamps:
( OGs)
0:00 Intro
0:43 Wildmutt
1:17 Four Arms
2:02 Grey Matter
2:47 XLR8
3:43 Upgrade
5:01 Diamondhead
6:04 Stinkfly
6:35 Ghostfreak
7:25 Heatblast
8:32 Ripjaws
9:29 Cannonbolt
11:06 Wildvine
11:28 Upchuck
12:02 Blitzwolfer 12:13 Snare-oh
12:53 Frankenstrike
14:10 Ditto
14:59 Way Big
16:03 Spitter
16:34 Buzzshock
16:40 Artiguana
17:02 Eye Guy
Thank you.
Best Gwen design, og
The ultimate alien force ones were just school uniform with different colors. The second one with the black vest and pants was a nice change but wish there was more to it. Plus her hair should have been bright orange like before
Omniverse had a good new outfit that mixed the school uniform asthetics with the og colors. Bbbuuuttt not a fan of the haircut and glasses like.... why does she have them now?
@@theanimeunderworld8338 Derrick drew her as the tired shut in university student
ty man
You’re doing God’s work.
20:32 I really felt that "WHAT?!?!"
Humungosaur didn't need such disrespect...
I'm honestly surprised they didn't talk about any of the mid-blosom designs for Swampfire. I honestly think his first mid-blossom stage is the best he's ever looked.
I agree. It was the best balance between AF and Omniverse colors
IMO his 1st stage blossom form is best with 2nd stage still being good, I also like full blossom form!
@@AwesomeX Ya!
@@FennekinTF I agree.
Nor the concept art version
Kuro, Kellen and Ash in one video? How could i not instantly watch :D
Ikr
One of the most iconic trios I’ve seen!
@@Mr_HammerExe Definitely
@@Mr_HammerExe more iconic than the UAF trio
Agreed
About the Humongosaur being literally a man-shaped dinosaur:
In the Italian dub, Humongosaur is known as "Omosauro". A combination of "Uomo" (man) and "Dinosauro" (dinosaur).
HUMONGOSAUR IS LITERALLY CALLED "DINOSAUR MAN" IN ITALIAN.
Human saur
In turkish its “Insanozor” which is insan (human) + dinozor (dinosaur) so its called humansaur
İn Bulgarian he's called something like "Човекозавър" aka something like humansaur, i think this might be a translation thing because the humungous part of humungousaur sounds like human
You could do a sequel based on the side characters. Gwen, Kevin, Max, Paradox, Azmuth etc.
I always wanted to see Max’s Omnitrix forms.
@@pn2294 makes me wish Ben and Paradox went to that universe from classic or at least have him in then there were none
Honestly, Reboot Azmuth is best Azmuth. Reboot Vilgax looks better every other version except for OG cyborg Vilgax
@@pn2294 I always wondered what a Galvan transformation of Max would be like. Cause the Omnitrix calculates the ideal amount of years a Galvan can work for the users age. E.g. Ben is 16 years old but Grey Matter is a few hundred years old as a counterpart. So if Max turned into a Galvan, wouldn’t he be on the same level as Azmuth?
alien force and ultimate alien gwen was a baddie
Honestly i love Ghostfreaks OV design and the implications: The Omnitrix is trying to constrain the Ectonurite DNA (since it has a tendency to become Z'Skayr) so the chains are literally preventing the DNA from escaping again. I understand why the green color isnt appealing, but if you consider the implications of the design then you start to appreciate it a lot more
Yeah! OV's design changes were the best when they had in story reasons. Just like with upchuck having subspecies, or bulfrags dna being from before uncerseans planet blew up and ship gravity made most of them wimpy.
Also, Ghostfreak having chains is fitting because of how the other Ectonorites on Anur look. It matches the fashion.
Should have just not been green
@@stonalisa3729 to each their own
@@stonalisa3729 yeah, it might've been ive if they were just a metalic grey, or maaaybe a purple? Hmmm
29:00 I legitimately had NO idea Eatle was supposed to be a beetle before the Omniverse redesign. In UAF I thought he was some sort of robot shark/rhino creature and his name didn’t clue me in on what he was cause I thought it was a condensed version of “eat all”. It blew my mind when I finally realized he was supposed to be a beetle and I have the Omniverse design (my favorite Eatle design) to thank for that.
This is actually a good topic. And It's good to see Kellen again. Also good morning.
Good morning to you too man
hello
Good morning m8 even though it's afternoon for me haha
@@bobbyahmad5197 howdy
Good morning... Idk what time it is now in the U.S but here in Brazil it's morning.
Fun video idea for you guys: drawing UAF aliens in classic style and drawing OV aliens in both classic and UAF style. We always see designs move forward but never backwards
My personal headcanon is that for aliens like Jurryrig, the Omnitrix rearranges the molecules in Ben’s clothes to create new clothes (and goggles) for the alien. And that's why the belt thing is on most aliens 30:27
I mean that's always been the case since classic, is just that it was more subtle and the texture tried to fit the users clothes. But in this case is just a leap.
Yesss like the omnitrix itself is a watch not a part of the body (i think)
Omniverse Spidermonkey looks like a full-on tarantula spider with a monkey face. Which makes it more terrifying
I love Way Big's second set of eyes in his classic design. They make sense, when you're so much bigger than literally everything else in the universe you need to be able to see what's below you at all times.
They brought them back in OV and the Reboot,but they look like metal tubes for some reason now.
@@felipe_drawmania1604 Some parts of Way Big ARE metal in OV, since Kevin was able to absorb the metal from one of his shoulder spikes.
IMO OV Waybig is best, theres barely competition! Classic one is still good, but slightly too messy & UAF one is WAY too simplistic, while OV one is best of both worlds, it looks INSANELY cool!!!
@@FennekinTF Plus he has that Japanese accent.
@@theking8347 Wdym?
Humungousaur became just a big lizard when they stopped using his size changing power! All the extra details and everything with the scales forming was pretty unique, and they just acted like it didn't exist from UA forward.
By that point, Ben had Way Big back, so there wasn't much use for Humungousaur's growing power.
@@theking8347Maybe for close range Because waybig is slow
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 Way Big is easily one of Ben’s fastest aliens for some reason. There's that one ep where Way Big runs so fast that he created a tornado
@@poporiporoit’s because of his long legs. Long legs equal long strides.
@@poporiporothat was retconned as a glitch power.
the suits and belts on Omniverse never bothered me because i always saw it as an extension of Bens state of mind, Classic it was pure alien and the Omnitrix went to the most optimal spot as it always does, in UAF Ben saw himself as more of a plumber and always had the Omnitrix on his chest like a badge no matter what, and for Omniverse every alien felt like they had their own superhero costumes because Ben wasn't just a plumber he was also a full time superhero. P.S i like Omniverses ghost freak the best because the chains make it look like the Omnitrix is keeping him at bay and from taking control of Ben like he's done before.
I just felt like the clothes help add a bit more personality. Plus it IS odd that most of the aliens are just out in the nude. Like Rath. Just that a good chunk of aliens if they are civilized SHOULD have clothes to some degree.
@@jacobfoxfires9647 Bro The Funny Shit Is They Said The Reason Why AF/UAF Doesnt Have Any Clothes On Them Becasue Of A Glitch In Omnitrix, Which Makes Them Naked When Ben Transform Then. The Reason Why OV Tried Give Clothes To Them Becasue Ben Now Casually In Touch With Lot Of Aliens And Do You Think They Would Like To Someone From Their Species Walking Around Naked?
Even In The Rath Species And Some Ice Cream-like Alien Agreement Episode It Said To Ben Actually Walked With Rath As Naked Whole AF/UAF Lmao.
I literally said something about how to change might symbolize the Omnitrix trying to keep Ghostfreak or zs'skayr at Bay
My problem with ov designs is the green. If they wanted to keep the green cause its ben signature colors in that series they could have changed the shade and texture for some suits.
In classic you had grey, black n white, neutral colors that helped make some aliens pop with their different colors. Even the omnitrix had these colors so nude aliens looked great
I actually love the chains on ghostfreak! To me it always felt like that was to represent that Z’skayr couldn’t come out that way, leaving it fully in ben’s control.
But the colour 😢
I'm surprised that Madben Waybig didn't make it to the nominations cuz his design is also very dope with all the punk rockiness
Kuro " You will never catch me out here praising bloxx" Also Kuro in Omniverse 2 " Bloxx is the only way to go"
Kuro really said we don't have much time before the incusains forces find us.
Honestly I would love a similar thing with what happened with upchuck to be applied to shocksquatch, it just makes sense for them to be subspecies with such different designs
I think it would be cool if UA Eatle was like a cyborg version of his species while OV Eatle is the normal version.
thats what i was thinking
What get's me conflicted about shocksquatch design is that in OV his proportions actually match up to fisks, the Sasquatch from the secret saturdays. Which might feed into the idea that they're actually related, an interesting concept if it was ever explored but I don't think it is. With heroes united shocksquatch being it's own unique thing is really cool though...
The subpecies thing could be a solution, though I feel like it would beed more story explanations
Well a showcase episode of their planet similar to upchuck's would do a good job to explain it, maybe one lives in more colder regions and one more forested, so heroes united acts as a yeti reference on top of a sasquatch one. But since people were much more likely to only see the OV version I doubt they ever had ideas for it, although I would be interested in seeing the OV design in heroes United colours
@@ghengiroo4143 I wish they used UA's Eatle design as a tease of his new powers in omniverse
saying, he has a power similar to kevin, of being able to produce the substance he eats, and make an armor out of it.
make it distinct enough from upchuck and even kevin's powers, while still keeping the eating aspect of its powers
10:00 but a piece of it also came off from a 10-year-old fidling with a screwdriver.
Actually OV Jury Rigg’s attire is a reference to a legend originated from British ace pilots during WWII according to which gremlins messed with airplanes in the air and caused malfunctions and crashes, that’s the reason why he wears a flight suit
Oh that's cool. I didn't know that.
Chromastone's Omniverse redesign is apparently supposed to be a Gundam reference. And the reason he didn't appear much (and got a redesign) is because Cartoon Network told them not to use aliens that had low toy sales much (which is why Brainstorm and Chromastone only got two appearances, because their toys didn't sell during AF/UA).
good things always end up suffering due to low toy sales
damn bro. toy sales really do suck at maintaining a franchise. why wasn't there more funko pop merch or clothes for merch i'd kill for a ov hoodie or a uaf jacket.
at least the scenes where they show up is memorable, like Brainstorm vs Vengers and Chromastone with Alien X sword in the finale
That’s actually funny cuz I had a rlly sick action figure for chromastone when I was younger.
It looks like the same thing also applied to Lodestar. :/
25:53 Let me tell you something people! This is the best version of Rath!
Hearing them refer to Kuro as 'Rob' is actually funny 😂
his name is rob after all.
I have the headcanon that the chains on Ghostfreak in omniverse were created by the omnitrix as a way to restrain the ectonurite dna or Zs'Skayr's personality from taking over Ben again.
If only they weren't toy neon green.
Great video, I'm glad you guys chose Classic Way Big, he is so detailed and he actually looks like Ben's "Ultimate Final Transformation" to end the Secret of the Omnitrix movie, he looks so epic and mysterious like this
Honestly that shot of blossom swampfire with the dull green instead of the bright green looks really good
Diamondhead is one of the cases where the black and green Omniverse outfit works really well.
I actually like af better, just something about it...
@@NS-xx1ze you like them diamond nipples he got going. Lol
@@NS-xx1zeprob cause of the chromastone connection or you like the chromastone suit
Yes, agreed! OV Diamondhead is SO sick! hands down my fav version of him! I'm not the biggest fan of the Chromastone "clothes" on him. & Neither am I the biggest fan of Chromastone being a Petrosapien god, pretty much, I'd rather him be a resident of Petropia, like Humonusuar & Astrodactyl are both inhabitants of Terradino (I think thats what its called)!
I never liked the chromostone look. Either OG or OM looked better
The fact that when i was a kid i really don’t like the change in OV. but coming back to rewatch it, I really enjoy the Artstyle more
I love how Kellen says "Robs" when talking about Cannonbolt
I gotta agree with Kellen about the Omnitrix placement of 5YL Cannonbolt. It's a neat concept, but it should not be outside the shell...
7:34 I just thought of something, what if the in universe reason he has bigger shoulders is because there starting to become the shoulder volcanoes on Ben 10,000 Heatblast.
That’s a cool theory
Just a slight thought, what if Albedo's ultimate's ended up different in omni because he put them through different simulations or maybe just made them "evolve" for a longer time.
nice theory, what if everytime Ben/Albedo use ultimate evolution feature it can cause constant changes of the designs, considering that with each simulation dna can adapt/ improve different ways to evolve. This may be used for ultimate humongosaur and spidermonkey. They have their own changes. Omniverse humongo adapts more into armor for tank way to survive making his muscles merge/change into metalic muscles and spidermonkey may evolve from having stilt spider legs into multiple gorrila legs for maximising potential streght.
6:36 I didn't like OV Ghostfreak until the after they visited Anur Transyl. The chains fit seeing how the other Ectonorites on Anur Transyl looked with chains, nooses, ropes, and those old fashion wooden head and hands trap thing. The only thing I might change on OV Ghostfreak is making the chains a bit more grey.
As much as I can't wait to get the Omniverse Breakdowns started soon, at least we still have fun content to enjoy in the meantime.
I would like to see a new ultimate video with new aliens
20:16 omniverse echo echo looks like stewie and ET got put together
My favorite part about the OV designs is that the aliens look like what Ben would look like as the alien, not just a basic member of that species
Agreed
15:25 I always liked Way Big because he looked like a mix between Ultraman and Gridman (who in essence was basically a more robotic ultraman)
Yeah classic waybig looks like if ultraman looked more like an alien, than a guy in a suit
Considering how for a lot of the designs each of you liked certain aspects of certain designs, would be cool if you made a video series where you all create designs of alien forms that includes the best of all designs across all series.
Kind of like for each alien you come up with an overall ink tank approved design for each of the aliens, that includes the best or most liked of each alien design from each series.
There was an episode of UAF where we saw different coloured Necrofriggian/Big Chill and while I like Ben’s blue version, I like the natural white version as it makes sense for a species that exists in snow and cold.
They weren’t transformations and the closest we got to them as transformations was freeze-ghost
yea, true, but it's purely based off transformations, those are actual necrofriggians
Surprised nobody mentioned NRG’s design outside of the metal suit in OV! That’s my favorite. Great vid guys
His reaction to "its called fashion..." priceless
I respect the Classic series for going all out with the designs.
Almost every single OG design knock their makeover out of the park, or atleast isn’t surpassed.
I honestly think only UAF Diamondhead was a real improvement over the classic version but it’s only because Diamondhead is a pretty simple looking transformation to begin with, so unlike the other aliens, there weren’t any special touches to overlook
would've been peak Diamondhead design if it also got Heroes United Diamondhead's arms and kept the ability to form/grow diamonds
Ultimate swamp fire is a downgrade to the original.
Classic always goes out in details
@@Wireseason3-4myfavfictonClassic is just hard to beat in that regard. It set such a high bar with how truly *alien* they look and feel.
@@kevinhuen1380true , probably closest design to classic would be af concept design drawn by Glenn murkhami like jetray and brainstorm
Great video as always.👍🏻
21:22 Minor nitpick: you forgot to consider Jetray's reboot design.
Reboot jetray is my Fave jetray design
He's so expressive in the reboot
Reboot and UaF Jetray Design quite Same and Similar
That’s what makes them bad
Minor nitpick, sure
But I'd still choose UAF over Reboot. It isn't awful, but I prefer UAF's style
benwolf/blitzwolfer: yay its my turn to have a well thought out debate on which of my designs is best!
everyone: original series, END OF CONVERSATION.
I like the chains on Ghostfreak, to me at least it feels like it’s something to keep Zs’Skayr from taking control of Ben.
Kuro and Kellen: *at each others necks about omnitrix placement*
Ash: *Happy Cannonbolt dance*
Ryan: “I have been overruled!”
Rob: “suffer.”
btw its at 23:28
love the "idk I'm just a hater" after however many years of Kuro carefully articulating every opinion he had
Expected Omiverse breakdowns, I can’t wait for them to arrive, but this was a sufficient enough substitute for now.
Why am I JUST NOW connecting that the voice of Funtime Freddy is a hardcore Ben 10 fan😭
We need more videos like these where it's just you all talking about the show and debating. It's probably my favorite type of content on this channel
Always great to have Kellen in this. Plus, personally I love the OG and reboot designs of my favorite aliens Heatblast, XLR8, Wildvine, and Grey Matter
u like reboot Wildvine? he lost his wine like legs
@@theamazingspooderman2697 True, but overall I do like the overall design and colors. Plus I do respect that he gains his OG venus flytrap in his Omni-enhanced form
@@InfinitEthanAnimations yeah Omni Enhanced forms were cooler than regular versions I think
@@theamazingspooderman2697 I agree. I love Heatblast's jetpack, XLR8's energy booster wheels and visor, Wildvine's pair of energy limbs, and Grey Matter's energy and rock suit.
@@InfinitEthanAnimations XLR8 looks the coolest bcz of his wheels
I had a discussion the other day when I was watching OV for the first time and saw heatblast. It is actually a strong possibility OV is an in-between of classic and 10k. Maybe as he gets older the shoulder pads morph into the volcanoes.
Glad to see that the Reboot got at least one win. And for Humungousar no less
I found it interesting that chromostone had two versions in OV.
One that resembled UAF and the last episode version that had the OV theme.
the reboot has jetray…….
The reboot will rise
@Kamenuser40rise from the sewers to my toilet
the reboot had a ton they didnt talk about like upgrade and stinkfly, i mean they look completely changed
@@JackStancil-b4y yup, i dont like reboot stinkfly but i vibe with purple upgrade
Love the passion you all clearly have for the series
What I wouldn't give to chop it up with you all about my own favorite moments
Great video, would love to see more discussions like this
Kuro: you’ll never see me praising bloxx also kuro: loves bloxx’s block attack in omniverse 2 game
The OV Four Arms doesn’t just feel like “big red guy”, the extra pecks and arms coming from the armpits feel more unique. Which is pretty difficult to do for an alien who’s pretty much just a big red guy with extra arms.
agree
That's why it is my favorite
You know Stinkyfly's design was only okay, but that was the best use of the alien in the whole series.
If only there were takes on the UAF and Omniverse that made it look like they came from the original series.
the omniverse chromastone reminds me of that famous tf2 workshop cosmetic submission for scout that was immediately rejected for not fitting the art style
15:30
I personally like Mad Ben’s design the most, the metal shoulders are just 👌
Agreed it was perfect for me.
31:11 I see the trauma has already made you forget the Omniverse 2 playthrough.
Ending the Blitzwolfer argument before it began was 100% the right play. Classic werewolf alien ftw.
Chains on ghostfreak are awesome if you think of it as the omnitrix making sure Ben is in control of that transformation
Jetray actually has another design...since he appeared in the reboot...and i thinks it looks pretty decent there
Omniverse jury rigg is one of my favorite aliens I love his design his vibe and the fact that he's basically just another smart alien but doesn't act like one is cool
12:44 I always look forward to O.R ash gremlin’s 2 bit 😂
I always thought figured OVs big shoulders on heatblast was the start of his shoulder volcanos forming with age
same.
but i hate how they just hang over his shoulders. They should've made it flow into his arms naturally
6:10 did it take anyone else a long thing to realize those are his eyes on the side of his head? I thought they were just tubes cause he shot the snot out of them
There’s a type of lizard in real life that can shoot blood out of it’s eyes for self defense. I imagine Stinkfly’s eyes work similar to that.
24:30 nah guys you rejected gigachad x how dare you?
That’s what make them bad
@@MuichiroTokitoMistBreatherHashnah
In defense of the omnitrix “creating” clothes for certain aliens, Nanomech was created by the omnitrix in response to the alien swarm. Even though he’s a living creature he’s also cybernetic in nature.
Also, Upgrade is a unique alien in the sense that Ben can’t completely bond with the DNA, due to the fact that that galvanic mechamorphs are as much “machine” as they are organism.
So the omnitrix has a weird loophole with “inorganic” material.
4:10 I gotta give it to DAA for the metallic texture
15:03 OG Classic Way Big is one of if not my favourite designed Alien in the entire series. Looks insane.
26:58 if OG Armadrillo had Omniverses Ears I’d be perfection for me😩
21:11
O.R.Ash just popping in from the side is so funny to me.
27:28 They forgot the inside of NGR have 2 different styles
My Favorites.
Classic Aliens.
0:00 - Introduction
0:43 - Wildmutt (Classic)
1:16 - Four Arms (UAF)
2:02 - Grey Matter (Classic)
2:46 - XLR8 (Omniverse)
3:43 - Upgrade (Classic)
5:01 - Diamondhead (UAF)
6:04 - Stinkfly (Classic)
6:34 - Ghostfreak (Omniverse)
7:25 - Heatblast (UAF)
8:33 - Ripjaws (Omniverse)
9:28 - Cannonbolt (UAF)
11:06 - Wildvine (Classic)
11:28 - Upchuck (Classic)
12:02 - Blitzwolfer (Omniverse)
12:05 - Snare-Oh (Omniverse)
12:52 - Frankenstrike (Classic)
14:10 - Ditto (Omniverse)
14:59 - Way Big (UAF)
16:02 - Spitter (Omniverse)
16:33 - Buzzshock (Omniverse)
16:39 - Arctiguana (Omniverse)
17:03 - Eye Guy (Classic)
UAF Aliens.
17:59 - Swampfire (UAF)
20:00 - Echo Echo (UAF)
20:30 - Humongousaur (UAF)
21:22 - Jetray (UAF)
21:43 - Big Chill (UAF)
22:08 - Chromastone (UAF)
22:29 - Brainstorm (Omniverse)
23:06 - Spidermonkey (UAF)
23:30 - Goop (UAF)
24:12 - Alien X (UAF)
25:09 - Nanomech (Alien Swarm)
25:37 - Lodestar (Omniverse)
25:52 - Rath (Heroes United)
26:12 - Water Hazard (Omniverse)
26:31 - Amphibian (UAF)
26:54 - Armodrillo (Omniverse)
27:06 - Terraspin (Omniverse)
27:25 - NRG (UAF)
27:52 - Fast track (UAF)
28:38 - Chamalien (UAF)
29:01 - Eatle (UAF)
29:15 - Clockwork (Omniverse)
29:47 - Shocksquatch (Omniverse)
30:13 - Jury Rigg (Omniverse)
I personally like the idea of ov ghost freak having chains because it suggests that z’skayrs dna is still not completely separate even after asmuth changes that in UA, my head cannon is that although asmuth fixed personalities being generated in UAF, ghost freak or zkayr is still able to use his piece of dna inside the omnitrix and that the chains are there to prevent z’skayr from emerging and taking over again
Zs'Skayr has his own separate body after regenerating in Legerdomain.
Kero the artist: says there are Bloxx diffenders.
Me: I am one of them and no can tuch my segmented baby other then me "holding a tiny Bloxx in the shape of a baby"
He's the goat the goat!!
Idk why but I absolutely lost it at the "How swoll do you want your god to be" line.
I think it'd be cool if you guys also compare the voices of all the aliens too.
Honestly 💯
Agreed
Honestly I would love a sequel to this video arguing over the designs of the villains for every series
Kellen calling Kuro out for his cannonbolt’s omnitrix being on the outside is so satisfying
Big chill cloaked form on Omniverse looks like a old Man. He looks like Someone you would help Cross the street
Lol.
19:21 Blossomed Swampfire reminds me of Iron Fist from marvel for this reason so I like him
Yeah, Blossom Swampfire looks good, it just doesn’t look good as a Swampfire design
Haven't watched yet, but Swampfire's best design is the one when he first starts mutating in OV. It's just a buffer version of his first OV design. It's perfect honestly
the 1st stage blossom form? If so, I agree! Also, what if Swampfire looked like 1st stage blossom form as a base form with full-blossom being a power boost form, like if he needs a boost, he morphs into full-blossom to get stronger, but if he use too much power he reverts back to base form (1st stage), that'd be really cool!! Don't you agree!?
@@FennekinTF like Super Saiyan I guess? That could be an interesting implementation, definitely would have liked to see something similar
@@theflashfan3234 I'm not sure what super saiyan is/are. Maybe?
@@FennekinTFHow have you survived on this corner of the internet without know SSJ? This channel even uses it