Go check out fallouts video! ua-cam.com/video/jD81ivTzsKQ/v-deo.html Edit Shayura is 16 not 15. It WAS 17. Anyway, it's still top shelf because of 16. I meant to say multimach (which is 15) honest mistake.
I saw his video, started watching it, heard you had one and stopped his to watch yours first. I should be able to finish both while having my evening cigar.
Going from Coolguy commentary straight to Fallout is some auditory whiplash. lol It's like the difference between getting advise from your buddy vs your professor.
Glad to see some rep for the BXR, it's one of my favorites! I play controller and I have a BXR with chambered compensator, ricochet, snapshot, and elemental capacitor, with a stability masterwork, and I use the full-auto retrofit bc pulling the trigger over n over is hard on my hands. With void on you can hit 100 stability on this thing and it's smooth as butter. Highly recommend farming for a decent one.
Try the crucible one with surplus and multi killclip or moving target for 3v3 it feel was easier landing headshots compared to my enhanced drang not sure why on paper it shouldn't
I haven't seen anyone mention Escape Velocity compared to Multimach. EV still has 16 zoom if you get the Model 8 Red scope, whereas Multimach's max is 15 now. Iron Reach Mutlimach has an extra 3 meters of range, but much, much lower stability. Without Iron Reach, they have basically the exact same damage falloff distance. But that doesn't really matter unless you already have their max range rolls, because MM rotated out, and EV only comes from Xur and maybe Banshee (or maybe neither, I have no idea) Basically, if you have a good Escape Velocity roll buried in your vault, go try it out
Don’t have much time for D2 anymore but after months of watching your videos on occasion I just finally subbed because I love your wholesome, down-to-earth style and controller-focused content. Keep it up!
Awesome vid! It amazes me how I always find my self keeping the ace of spades on me because even with the crafted austringer, ace just feels amazing and kind of better IMO
Another high-zoom SMG that I see getting overlooked is Escape Velocity. It has a base 14 zoom, but it gets scopes instead of barrel perks, just like Multimach. The Model 8 Red is one of my favorite sights in the game, and gives the weapon +2 zoom. It also has base 80 recoil direction, making it good with either a counterbalance mod, or running stasis with Elemental Capacitor. I have a roll with Zen Moment and Elemental Capacitor, and it slaps. Friction fire is another decent one if you've got a good roll but it feels heavy somehow in my hands compared to other SMGs
As a controller main that has never been to trials and has zero trials weapons, could you do an updated video only incluing weapons that are easily accessible to us trial virgins and casual players that just want a better fighting chance at PVP? Thanks :)
It still surprises me no one talks about Sacred Provenance. I have no idea if the 4-bursts are statistically worse than 3-bursts but Sacred Provenance just feels so good to use I haven’t put it down in like 3 seasons. You should definitely take a look at it if you read this comment, it’s worth the effort imo.
@@SolidGoldGuy yea I agree with you on that. Lasting impression is just so annoying to use outside of extended damage phases that I don’t care it has more damage. The extra damage doesn’t matter if the rocket explodes a second after I need it to lol
Performance of Crimson does not only rely in input. It's the fov. The recoil goes up to cover the reticle at high fov. On controller the reticle friction helps to still hit the shots but on mnk Crimson performs better on lower fov because the recoil will no longer hide the reticle, making the follow up shots easier to hit.
Really loved both of your videos, and absolutely enjoy both of you as content creators. It’s super fun watching you guys collaborate. Keep up the great work!
This is my favourite UA-cam collab. Love both your guys styles and they're so different and complimentary. Hilarious and informative. Love this idea, please do a part 2 of some kind.
I love DMT, I have been a maiming that for quite awhile now and even after the nerf it’s still so good. For me it just feels smooth and easy to use with not too much recoil.
You are top level content creator and just nice. Joined the ranks of UA-cam subs! Just watched u and TV and Frost go flawless with your Caliban build. Nice!!
A note about Huckleberry, with the mid S18/S19 change, Rampage Spec will be getting folded into Rampage as a perk, allowing the gun a little more flexibility in extended fights.
On Hunter: go radiant and Aeons w/ Sect of Vigor. When your allies die, you gain your dodge back. Basically infinite radiant for your team in 6v6 for those on your team Darwin would be proud of.
I have to agree with you on Ace, I have a ridiculous amount of pvp kills with that HC. Besides that it was the first hand can that I used consistently, it just felt that good too me!
Im not shocked how many weapons i hate being in this list, but also a few of my fav weapons are in this list which was shocking, i am shocked however to not see syncopation on here thing is crazy stable rlly makes it easy to use on controller, heck it’s my main go to pulse for crucible and pve, it having headstone is just an added bonus
Cool guy in fallout working together is such a perfect fit. They are two of the more intellectual creators in our community, and really dive into the nitty gritty details.
I have a Messenger with zen and elemental capacitor so with a high resilience stat on void it doesn't miss unless I miss. It's the best dueling pulse I have rn. Dropped 39 elims with it yesterday and that's good for me. Love that gun
I never liked Huckleberry, but after watching this I pulled it out of collections to give it a go. Thanks for the recommendation, I am enjoying using it right now, already have 89 kills on it after just a few games.
Don't know about the Ace, it feels extremely bad, probably due to recoil animation or something like that. In comparison, Austringer has like no recoil and gives away free headshots like last word.
I feel the same way about Ace. I'd agree that it's probably the view kick. Which really bugs me, cause it's such a strong weapon, and it kills me that I don't feel like I can take advantage of it.
I don't normally use auto rifles in pvp and I don't even play pvp that much, but if I need auto rifle kills in pvp for a bounty Suros Regime is definitely my top pick.
For Ace on controller i don't know, i found how can manage recoil and i done it almost bullet in bullet, but in gunfight game just doesn't count registrations no matter how you firing with delays or by 2 or 3 bullets, with others it's not so problem.
A very fun combo to try is one I thought of from Coolguy's video on Beloved. Pair Ace of Spades with a Snapshot/Incandescent Beloved. Put on any heavy you like and you got a very fun, very deadly setup that can take on groups of enemy players quite easily. The only downside with Ace is that if you've never used the gun or haven't used it enough, it can feel like you're shooting "ghost bullets". It looks like you're landing your shots, but you're not. I fixed that by going into Rumble and practicing as well as watching how the gun recoils by shooting at walls.
Maybe it’s just because I’ve been using high impacts and rapids for so long, but adaptive just don’t feel right for me so it’s strange seeing so many people say they’re good. Then again, I also sucks with 140s and everyone loves them so I shouldn’t be surprised
Mentioning the 19 zoom and ease of use for piece of mind, i would put Ogma on my list. OFD gives it flinch resist at top of the mag too, and can stack with PM or Heating Up
He didn’t mention it during its segment, but if you happen to be a hunter who’s going to give crimson a shot run lucky pants they provide so much benefit especially with this gun
@@Rob2512053 that’s fair too, it all depends what you want to build into.. I usually prefer to build into my weapon for pvp especially something like crimson as it can drop people so easily after that lucky pants buff procs. Many a times I’ve just cleared a room full of 3-4 people because of luckys
The only thing not on either list for me is Monte Carlo. I wanted it so bad when I found out about it and I used it all the time before the buff to AR's and for awhile after. Over 25k kills with it. Still break it out every once in awhile. Goes well with Caliban's.
Oh I really like that sight on NTTE. First time seeing it. Reminds me of Outbreak. Not sure a lot of people know what True Rampage is anymore. Lol. The more you know
I'am a PVE player but go into PVP once a week and I'm horrible and I don't care lol however once I stopped trying all the different guns and load outs and just settled on BXR and Chaperone for my 3 matches a week on 3 guardians I have had a lot more fun.
@@SuperDUKE109 surprisingly not too much. I thought it was going to be bad but since you could focus the engrams. It took about 2 hours to get rolls I wanted.
Top 4 weapons for pvp? Okay as a non pvp main: My all time favorites have been ACE TLW Blast Furnace The Lemon Most fun I ever have in pvp have included these weapons.
Another really fun gun to use on controller is Frontiers Cry. I have a very disgusting but silly role that has 77 range and no stats anywhere else lol. I put a full auto mod on it and absolutely destroyed with it. It really fun, super easy to use and with the right role for whatever you want this gun to be, it can be absolutely disgusting.
As a controlled player, I’d love an updated version of this video before and/or after lightfall, very very helpful!
I'm enjoying you two collaborating, hope to see more in the future!
Well, they have similar voices. I bet they’re the same dude
Gotta tune into Firing Range podcast
@@jaylarkin4331 good suggestion.
This is like when your favorite shows do a cross over episode. So awesome, looking forward to another collaboration.
Go check out fallouts video! ua-cam.com/video/jD81ivTzsKQ/v-deo.html
Edit Shayura is 16 not 15. It WAS 17. Anyway, it's still top shelf because of 16. I meant to say multimach (which is 15) honest mistake.
9:40 except Shayura's is a 16 zoom?
have u ever tried playing with motion controls or gyro aiming? it's pretty fun
I saw his video, started watching it, heard you had one and stopped his to watch yours first. I should be able to finish both while having my evening cigar.
Going from Coolguy commentary straight to Fallout is some auditory whiplash. lol
It's like the difference between getting advise from your buddy vs your professor.
Glad to see some rep for the BXR, it's one of my favorites! I play controller and I have a BXR with chambered compensator, ricochet, snapshot, and elemental capacitor, with a stability masterwork, and I use the full-auto retrofit bc pulling the trigger over n over is hard on my hands. With void on you can hit 100 stability on this thing and it's smooth as butter. Highly recommend farming for a decent one.
This is really cool, I'll be sure to watch both. Love you guys, thanks for what you do!
Drang is so fun on controller. Paired with the full-auto weapon mod, it's amazing for pvp and pve.
Try the crucible one with surplus and multi killclip or moving target for 3v3 it feel was easier landing headshots compared to my enhanced drang not sure why on paper it shouldn't
@@wv11989 what crucible one? Is it a side arm?
The Pokemon Red/Blue strat for these videos was really fun! What a great idea for a collab.
I haven't seen anyone mention Escape Velocity compared to Multimach. EV still has 16 zoom if you get the Model 8 Red scope, whereas Multimach's max is 15 now. Iron Reach Mutlimach has an extra 3 meters of range, but much, much lower stability. Without Iron Reach, they have basically the exact same damage falloff distance. But that doesn't really matter unless you already have their max range rolls, because MM rotated out, and EV only comes from Xur and maybe Banshee (or maybe neither, I have no idea)
Basically, if you have a good Escape Velocity roll buried in your vault, go try it out
The crossover we deserved and needed.
Don’t have much time for D2 anymore but after months of watching your videos on occasion I just finally subbed because I love your wholesome, down-to-earth style and controller-focused content. Keep it up!
Love the colab also a joy seeing you guys in the same videos two of my favorites
Awesome vid!
It amazes me how I always find my self keeping the ace of spades on me because even with the crafted austringer, ace just feels amazing and kind of better IMO
These videos need to happen more... a lot more...thanks for gettin nerdy with it
Another high-zoom SMG that I see getting overlooked is Escape Velocity. It has a base 14 zoom, but it gets scopes instead of barrel perks, just like Multimach. The Model 8 Red is one of my favorite sights in the game, and gives the weapon +2 zoom. It also has base 80 recoil direction, making it good with either a counterbalance mod, or running stasis with Elemental Capacitor. I have a roll with Zen Moment and Elemental Capacitor, and it slaps.
Friction fire is another decent one if you've got a good roll but it feels heavy somehow in my hands compared to other SMGs
Another one is Borrowed Time, has 15 zoom and great perks (just a pain to farm). Personally I don't like it, but it should be considered.
@@Eluv3iti3 *laughs in submission’s 15 zoom*
@@rhyshuber9981 Borrowed Time can get Rangefinder meaning its actual zoom can be ~16.5
You totally red and blue'd this topic! Love it
Really like this colab format. Nice work boys.
As a controller main that has never been to trials and has zero trials weapons, could you do an updated video only incluing weapons that are easily accessible to us trial virgins and casual players that just want a better fighting chance at PVP? Thanks :)
Two favorite destiny content creators in a video about controller players?
Christmas came REALLY REALLY really this year
I do believe its time for an update on this. New sandbox. Target Lock and Rangefinder nerfs. Long season. Prophecy refresh. New mid-season weapons.
It still surprises me no one talks about Sacred Provenance. I have no idea if the 4-bursts are statistically worse than 3-bursts but Sacred Provenance just feels so good to use I haven’t put it down in like 3 seasons. You should definitely take a look at it if you read this comment, it’s worth the effort imo.
It really doesnt matter what is statistically better, it matters what you're better with. Personally I will never use lasting impression.
@@SolidGoldGuy yea I agree with you on that. Lasting impression is just so annoying to use outside of extended damage phases that I don’t care it has more damage. The extra damage doesn’t matter if the rocket explodes a second after I need it to lol
I always look att your videos as soon they come out. Love the content. Keep Up the good work!
Ey clever way to push everyone to both videos, good idea dudes I'll watch both!
Performance of Crimson does not only rely in input. It's the fov. The recoil goes up to cover the reticle at high fov. On controller the reticle friction helps to still hit the shots but on mnk Crimson performs better on lower fov because the recoil will no longer hide the reticle, making the follow up shots easier to hit.
that! I hated this gun
Really loved both of your videos, and absolutely enjoy both of you as content creators. It’s super fun watching you guys collaborate. Keep up the great work!
This is my favourite UA-cam collab. Love both your guys styles and they're so different and complimentary. Hilarious and informative. Love this idea, please do a part 2 of some kind.
Nice vid. Good collab. Thanks for the extra work :)
I love DMT, I have been a maiming that for quite awhile now and even after the nerf it’s still so good. For me it just feels smooth and easy to use with not too much recoil.
Love the collaborative style on this video!
Best collaboration I’ve seen between two solid creators. Please do more.
Ima go leave the same comment on the other dudes channel now. Word for word.
These two really seem that are best friends irl, really good video!!
Watching the footage of "Piece of mind" reminds me of Grasp of Malok and Clever Dragon.
You are top level content creator and just nice. Joined the ranks of UA-cam subs! Just watched u and TV and Frost go flawless with your Caliban build. Nice!!
New Coolguy video LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
A note about Huckleberry, with the mid S18/S19 change, Rampage Spec will be getting folded into Rampage as a perk, allowing the gun a little more flexibility in extended fights.
I would love another one of these for the final shape. Please and thank you 🙏
really shows the work you guys put in on this one. GG
Thanks for the video guy's!
You two are my go to guys gonna head over to fallouts channel after this
On Hunter: go radiant and Aeons w/ Sect of Vigor. When your allies die, you gain your dodge back. Basically infinite radiant for your team in 6v6 for those on your team Darwin would be proud of.
I agree on the huckleberry, was experimenting the other day and that thing shreds!
🔥🔥🔥🔥 Need the whole thing!
Thanks for the great work!
It’s the dream team: keep the collabs going!
I have to agree with you on Ace, I have a ridiculous amount of pvp kills with that HC. Besides that it was the first hand can that I used consistently, it just felt that good too me!
I gave huckleberry a go for a few days last week and damn. I gotta say it's probably my one of my favorite smgs for PvP now.
Im not shocked how many weapons i hate being in this list, but also a few of my fav weapons are in this list which was shocking, i am shocked however to not see syncopation on here thing is crazy stable rlly makes it easy to use on controller, heck it’s my main go to pulse for crucible and pve, it having headstone is just an added bonus
Because it's a 390
Cause 390s aren’t competitive in pvp
bro popped stormtrance
Cool guy in fallout working together is such a perfect fit.
They are two of the more intellectual creators in our community, and really dive into the nitty gritty details.
that dodge at the end was absolute suace.
I have a Messenger with zen and elemental capacitor so with a high resilience stat on void it doesn't miss unless I miss. It's the best dueling pulse I have rn. Dropped 39 elims with it yesterday and that's good for me. Love that gun
I never liked Huckleberry, but after watching this I pulled it out of collections to give it a go. Thanks for the recommendation, I am enjoying using it right now, already have 89 kills on it after just a few games.
Love the Thumbnail! 😏
Very enjoyable and helped me decide to delete a couple things I've been holding onto forever but never use. Yayyy!
awesome video, thanks dude
Love my crafted Synchopation. Have Zen/Vorpal and range+stability.
Taken out many supers!
Really dig the Co-op vid with Fallout. And nothing was funnier than the 1min Xur vid you did on his channel 😂😂😂
Randy's Throwing Knife 🔪 😳
Great video Love the collaboration with Fallout. I’m on controller and need all the help I can get!
I feel like Forerunner is an honorable mention. Running BxR+Forerunner makes me feel like I'm playing old school halo again 😅
Don't know about the Ace, it feels extremely bad, probably due to recoil animation or something like that. In comparison, Austringer has like no recoil and gives away free headshots like last word.
I feel the same way about Ace. I'd agree that it's probably the view kick. Which really bugs me, cause it's such a strong weapon, and it kills me that I don't feel like I can take advantage of it.
@@greyklopstock7155 I tried it out in pvp and had miserable experience, now it's permanently vaulted haha
I used to feel the same way, it took me a while to get used to the gun. Now it's one of my favorites. :D
I absolutely love you and fallout. Cross, frostbo, zk, tvg, houndish, wallah, I just love you guys and the content
For me suros regime and outbreak take the cake on controller. It legitimately HARD to miss with them
I don't normally use auto rifles in pvp and I don't even play pvp that much, but if I need auto rifle kills in pvp for a bounty Suros Regime is definitely my top pick.
This was a pretty good and informative list, thank you.
I see Kindled Orchid in your list you linked. That one was amazing on controller, I hope they bring it back.
Love the colab!
Great collaboration 🤙
Cool guy + Fallout I’m so happy
Last Word + BxR is a combo I learned to love. Seriously
I’m with you bro
I love my arrowhead break BXR with perpetual motion kill clip.
For Ace on controller i don't know, i found how can manage recoil and i done it almost bullet in bullet, but in gunfight game just doesn't count registrations no matter how you firing with delays or by 2 or 3 bullets, with others it's not so problem.
Love the video guys will go watch fallouts after this, can we get a video of top 10 weapons to pair with radiant ? Would be sick
MOMMMMM! Shotgun guy did a cameo!
Know what I love more than the coolab? Huckleberry.
freaking really cool video.
A very fun combo to try is one I thought of from Coolguy's video on Beloved. Pair Ace of Spades with a Snapshot/Incandescent Beloved. Put on any heavy you like and you got a very fun, very deadly setup that can take on groups of enemy players quite easily.
The only downside with Ace is that if you've never used the gun or haven't used it enough, it can feel like you're shooting "ghost bullets". It looks like you're landing your shots, but you're not. I fixed that by going into Rumble and practicing as well as watching how the gun recoils by shooting at walls.
If you’re using Ace of spades, you can’t use ghally. But that is a fun combo
@@Quinsanity115 Bah. I haven't had my tea yet, stupid of me. Edited to correct. XD
Glad Xbox getting some love 😊. Also Fallout on the vid!
Maybe it’s just because I’ve been using high impacts and rapids for so long, but adaptive just don’t feel right for me so it’s strange seeing so many people say they’re good. Then again, I also sucks with 140s and everyone loves them so I shouldn’t be surprised
Just subbed. Here from Fallouts vid
"COOLaboration" Bottom text. Take my like lol
Mentioning the 19 zoom and ease of use for piece of mind, i would put Ogma on my list. OFD gives it flinch resist at top of the mag too, and can stack with PM or Heating Up
Krait feels really good on controller. And with overflow, it feels like I never have to reolad
I’ve been calibaning exclusively. I love that loadout. And I got good at using the dead messenger as a added benefit 😂
He didn’t mention it during its segment, but if you happen to be a hunter who’s going to give crimson a shot run lucky pants they provide so much benefit especially with this gun
Or or hear me out, Athrys' Embrace, Gunslinger has a holy trinity of arm exotics right now viable in pve and pvp
@@Rob2512053 that’s fair too, it all depends what you want to build into.. I usually prefer to build into my weapon for pvp especially something like crimson as it can drop people so easily after that lucky pants buff procs. Many a times I’ve just cleared a room full of 3-4 people because of luckys
720's have always felt really good to me
The only thing not on either list for me is Monte Carlo. I wanted it so bad when I found out about it and I used it all the time before the buff to AR's and for awhile after. Over 25k kills with it. Still break it out every once in awhile. Goes well with Caliban's.
Oh I really like that sight on NTTE. First time seeing it. Reminds me of Outbreak. Not sure a lot of people know what True Rampage is anymore. Lol. The more you know
Good stuff!
Here to send love from Fallout
I use a QuickDraw Drang with a QuickDraw shotgun and DeagonShadow chest piece
I'am a PVE player but go into PVP once a week and I'm horrible and I don't care lol however once I stopped trying all the different guns and load outs and just settled on BXR and Chaperone for my 3 matches a week on 3 guardians I have had a lot more fun.
Borrowed time with rangefinder. Amazing on controller.
Real question is how much Gambit did it take to get tho lol
@@SuperDUKE109 surprisingly not too much. I thought it was going to be bad but since you could focus the engrams. It took about 2 hours to get rolls I wanted.
THANK YA BOY IVE SUBBED
Great stuff as always cool guy . Good details and explained conclusions . What ads sensitivity do you use for 140 HCs?
16 0.7 ads modifier
Crossover of the century.
omg, i wasnt expecting huckleberry but it is so good. it is a beam. get one kill in trials and the next 2 die in a heartbeat
Top 4 weapons for pvp?
Okay as a non pvp main: My all time favorites have been
ACE
TLW
Blast Furnace
The Lemon
Most fun I ever have in pvp have included these weapons.
bxr, and forerunner is beautiful
Another really fun gun to use on controller is Frontiers Cry. I have a very disgusting but silly role that has 77 range and no stats anywhere else lol. I put a full auto mod on it and absolutely destroyed with it. It really fun, super easy to use and with the right role for whatever you want this gun to be, it can be absolutely disgusting.
Awesome vid