Did we screw up?? Fixing and TESTING a $10,000 Gaming/Editing PC...
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- Did we screw up?? Fixing and TESTING a $10,000 Gaming/Editing PC...
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No S3 Sleep option on TRX50 Aero D (Gigabyte subreddit) - / trx50_aero_d_no_s3_sle...
⚡ PARTS LIST - JOE’S NEW EDITING PC
CPU
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7970X (32c/64t) - $2500 - bit.ly/3uKOKPZ
CPU COOLER
Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler - $100 - geni.us/XyvB
Noctua NA-HC6 chromax.black heatsink cover - $20 - geni.us/I9hJGu
2x Noctua NF-A15 HS-PWM chromax.black.swap fans - $29 each - geni.us/uwXt
MOTHERBOARD
GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D sTR5 TRX50 EATX - $600 - bit.ly/47WHKOi
MEMORY
G.SKILL Zeta R5 Neo 128GB (4x32GB) ECC DDR5 6400 - $1070 - bit.ly/3GmSdac
VIDEO CARD / GPU
MSI RTX 4090 24GB Suprim Liquid X - $2000+
Amazon: geni.us/HsWS4 | Newegg: bit.ly/3s3zU2L
CASE
LIAN LI O11 Vision (Black) Aluminum/Steel/Tempered Glass - $140 - bit.ly/3t18Uoo
POWER SUPPLY
ENERMAX Revolution D.F. X 1200W 80+ Gold ATx3.0/PCIE5 - $150
Amazon - geni.us/1u7KRtW | Newegg - bit.ly/46BprNJ
STORAGE / SSD
8x Lexar NM790 4TB PCIe Gen4 NVME M.2 SSD - $230 each
With Heatsink - geni.us/IWU8Z | Without Heatsink - geni.us/XU9fx7
Gigabyte GC-4XM2G4 AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor (4x M.2 SSD adapter) - geni.us/E1LS
FANS/EXTRAS
Lian Li Strimer Plus V2 12+4Pin (12VHPWR) 12-Light - $50 - geni.us/dRtYT9
Lian Li Strimer Plus V2 24 Pin - PW24-PV2 Black - $60 - geni.us/JhuA0c
1x Lian Li UNI FAN SL-INFINITY 120 RGB 3-Pack w/controller - $110 - geni.us/jATL
6x Lian Li SL Infinity 120 Reverse Blade 1-Pack - $35 each - geni.us/C4A6L5
► TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro - Welcome to Paul’s Hardware 2024!
1:05 Recap - Joe’s 7970X / RTX 4090 Build had quirky imperfections
3:48 Installing GPUs and AICs as God Intended
5:31 “Custom” Airflow Shroud for Top Exhaust
6:34 Discussing what DIDN’T work - boot hangs and sleep issues
10:48 BENCHMARKS - test bed specs
11:14 Cinebench R23
12:36 CPUMark 11
13:04 Blender 3.6.0
13:47 HandBrake 1.6.1
14:29 3DMark Time Spy Extreme
15:38 Temps - Air Cooling vs Water Cooling
17:19 Final Shots + Closing Thoughts - should we do a follow-up?
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I would definitely RMA the motherboard because who knows what else they fixed besides the sleep function.
If you can replace the single vertical fan with a reverse one and put regular fans on the rad then you could move the rad to the top position as exhaust fans and have the bottom fan as an intake giving the case a more positive pressure setup and have two fans at the top to help exhaust hot air. Just a thought.
I would do the same. They always fix more stuff than just the thing that had you considering it in the first place. It may save you some headaches over the next year or two.
Problem with RMA is that you have to send the mobo first and then you have to wait for them to send one back.
That means you have a non-functioning system for possibly weeks.
Personally i don't use the sleep or suspend functions, my system is either on or off.. rebooting is quick enough (although my new DDR5 sytem takes quite a long time compared to my old DDR4 system. but i just downloaded a bios update (not installed yet) that should fix that.)
@@s1gneI wasn’t really thinking about the sleep function as much as, what else did they fix?
@@blackjack6259 with my "old" 2070super Gigabyte had a V1.0 (like mine) but also a V1.1 (used same bios) and a V1.2 with a different bios, that one also had a bit lower clockspeeds.
Probably because of stability, although i never had problems with that card.
A never version can also mean that there is not much difference, just an other manufacturer of POScaps for instance
I would probably RMA that mainboard for the v1.2 (or v1.3 by the time CES is finished) 😉🤷♂️
I know it sucks, but I'd suggest doing the RMA on the mobo. Who knows what else they fixed.
Also, I'd love to see the temp tests for different fan configs and also raid configs for throughput. :)
I know it may not be a huge deal based on use, but I would expect full functionality out of the components. Use the RMA when you get back from CES if you aren't worried about system stability in the meantime.
Definitely get an RMA done. When the company is offering an exchange, I think you should do it. Ridiculous of them to make this change on a board level rather than a bios update. Yay for air cooling, been running 2 xeons 2630 v4 on air cool for rendering and stuff for almost 8 years and it still sits around 45 ish. Cool build ❤❤❤
You don't know if it's actually a hardware mistake or not. Also it seems like AMD's communication to their board partners is miserable. We've seen it first hand with the too high SoC voltage they communicated initially. Or did not communicate it to be lowered compared to non X3D parts...
@@kyoudaiken The SOC problem was a board partner issue, AMD clearly had the voltage max set on the spec of the CPU,s Asus generally is lazy when it comes to bios voltage
@@SkylineGamingStudios AGESA is provided as a module from AMD and is signed and cannot be modified by board partners. The BIOS code however can override the value. But I doubt it was the case. The topic is far more complex and it has been shown that it was a communication issue.
Happy New Year! Looking forward to seeing the work you do on this today 👀
I’m thrilled to see you use opposite fan directions on the radiator. I tried asking you that question and a recent probing Paul!
Welcome back paul :) Its nice seeing you again! Happy new year, New year same troubleshooting fun
Loved the benchmarks, and I hope Joe loves it as well!
Honestly, I think the foam is probably fine. And would last without issue.
Janky can sometimes be the most elegant solution.
Oh, I agree. Heck, that is a nicer idea than the cardboard I was thinking of.
Would be good science to try it with the foam shroud and without it.
He made a nice RGB Hot box
it looks pretty sweet! Nice work Paul!!
I think this is the best video yet in Joe's new baller editing PC series, please keep them coming! I'm interested in seeing if changing fan configurations makes much of a performance difference or not. Paul, you did a great job giving context to the data displayed in your graphs which kept it engaging, nice work. Wishing you both a wonderful CES 2024 and looking forward to watching your CES coverage!
Happy New Year! Paul and Joe
Great video, Joe and Paul!
thank you for un-janking 😅 the build! I had a similar sleep issue on my previous AMD system - it was fine
YAY CES month. I just love this month to see what new PC tech is coming out later this year. :)
Loving your videos! I used your latest tutorial to build my own computer in between this video and the last one.
Cool to see it worked out with swapping the cards. I had no idea that they released two new board revisions since the press boards. Personally, I wouldn't be bothered by the lack of sleep. I disable that stuff anyway.
Hey Paul Happy New Year. Best to you and yours in 2024. Peace
Seeing gaming benchmarks would be cool!
Thanks for sharing, very interesting. The re-positioning of the GPU and the other cards really is better now, and looks way more organized too - it also makes for better cooling and actually lets you close up the case as much as possible. A follow-up would be nice, with some more efficiency testing of different cooler setups/orientations in terms of airflow and cooling (benchmarks? :)). And if it was about me, i'd totally exchange for the newer revision of the board. Not just for that sleep mode, but maybe there are some other issues that got fixed/improved/updated that weren't disclosed. Looking forward to the CES btw! A lot of stuff going on this year, this will become a super interesting and exciting one for sure.
Cheers!
I would rma the motherboard even though it’s a bit of work. Loved you talking through this process
Awesomesauce video Paul and Joe! ❤
Nice to see PM2 running fully.
As for the issue of RMA to get a sleep mode; that is a damn bit amount of work to be done. As was stated before by fellow commenters, if Gigabyte would send a replacement board first, then maybe.. 🤔 Either way, its a lot of work. I would see the temperatures, during CES rendering, are like. If Joe's hotel room turns into a dry sauna, then just buy Joe a beast of an AC window unit for his office. Less work, and the current WORKING version of PM2 lives on.
So still some jankiness which is what we live with.
Caffeinator out!
Love your system I wish I could afford a system like that but you did an excellent job on congratulations
Happy New Year Paul
Work took our sleep mode away for a while. Running 12th and 13th gen barn burner mobile chips, it is nice to put it to sleep to take home. Even then sleep doesn't always work correctly and I pull a 200° laptop out of my bag.
Happy New Year
Said it before, say it again.. wonderful PC! Enjoy Joe!
also I'm looking forward to all the CES coverage, always a bunch of interesting stuff
The sleep post you referred to and showed by theacclaimed is the YTer GameTechReviews, which also has some great content on the TRX50 build!
Hi Paul and Joe If you moved the GPU radiator up a position the hoses would look way less tortured😃
Agreed, and since heat rises, the intake fan, even though there is foam on the inside of the case, is currently sucking in the warm rising air from the GPU radiator. Swapping positions should fix most of that and look better.
Would like to see you, and other, add in Specviewperf to your benchmarks. It tests CPU and GPU loads in real world 3D modelling and scientific data programs. It would really help out those of us who are not just gamers and content creators. I can't be the only one.
Happy New Year, Paul and Joe! All the best going forward! o7
I think it would be cool to see you play around with different fan configurations, maybe different options for fan curves and baffles too. I'm a sucker for airflow optimization.
Nice music choice for the Paul's Merch spot. It has somehow crossed my ear/ blood/brain barrier and is living rent free in me 'ead. Now, '"Shut up and take my money!"
Seeing the process of setting up the ssds in RAID would be cool.
It seems like the foam divider for the fan works alright. But you could keep the bottom as intake, change the rear fan to intake also, and then make the 3 fans on the side exhaust. Be easy to keep slightly positive pressure and looks like the direction of airflow would be pretty clean too.
Nice build and seems like an awesome system upgrade for Joe too 👍 aesthetically you much improved the look when switching layout of the cards, and most likely a slight improvement of airflow 🤔 speaking of airflow you should have gpu pushing the heat out of the box 😜 thnx for great vids guys ❤
Nice job on that fan duct work.
"Suck it or blow it or put it in a push pull configuration", made me spit out my coffee! 😁
Paul and Joe... if you're going to ask I'm going to say YES I want a comparison. Great video.
So speaking of 3d printing brackets. You better have one made to level that fan above the aio in the back! If that top fan was level with the others it would be SO CLEAN
Thanks Joe, thanks Paul, thanks Steve, thanks Wendell
Waiting for the ces videos before i make my purchase decisions... items are in the cart, but i can wait a few more weeks i guess. Also need to spend so more time researching to make sure this is the most optimized setup for gaming, since i tend to let esthetics up my budget
i would love to see how this all turn out and yeah i would send it back for rma because if they have made that many revisions who knows what they have changed other than just the sleep function as i doubt they would make a full two revisions just for that one issue when that sounds like more of a bios issue than a hardware one
I would be really torn about it, but something tells me that moving to a rev 1.2 board now, would probably be wise before they stop supporting the option. It would also be interesting to see an A/B comparison to see if there are any changes to performance or QOL with the new board.
Hi Joe in the fan hub mirror 4:30 lmao
Definitely curious if using the gpu fans as exhaust is better for the CPU. Maybe you could even out the pressure by eliminating the rear exhaust, and installing an aida64 sensorpanel or something similar.
If I had this thing I like the configuration because I suppose the idea is if the gpu fans even come on your to go to settings and lower them. I usually play everything on minimum anyway.
I bet your hvac guy would be proud of your approach to isolating that top exhaust fan from the bottom intakes like that 😜💨
Such a glorious bonkers PC. A 6 month check-in would be super great to see how much faster Joe’s workflow has become with the beast.
Noiiiiiice. Sigh of relief with those cards moved around 😂 👍 ❤
Defo go for the RMA if that’s open to you, for same reasons as other have mentioned…
Rear case fan to intake, giving some flow over vrm and ram, adding to bottom three intakes.. side fans to exhaust..
We want a Joe Calendar photoshoot with his new pc to start the year great 😂
Great info and being on the bleeding edge means sometime you get cut, but if gigabyte if offering free upgrades, not sure what else we could ask of them with a whole new platform.
I'd like to tell you what I think, just like you asked. The fans in the back are still going to cross-contaminate OUTSIDE the case. Imho it would be better to intake at the front sideto help improve the positive pressure in the case to force air out the back. Also, the twist in the hoses was a little jarring but I'm over it because at least I don't have it in my house, looking at it like that every day. 🥴
Paul, I would RMA the board just so you have better support in the future and, as a bonus, you will also be able to put the system to sleep. It certainly is not a good look to have that may revisions on such a new product so for future support and stability, I would go ahead and get the newest version board they will send you (1.1 or 1.2 respectively). This assumes the newer revisions of the board prove to actually be better than the v1.0 version in the future, which is a bit of a gamble, no matter which route you choose to take. Cheers!
Given the Notcua air cooler is providing near full coverage to all CCDs compared to Asstek rebrand which doesnt provide coverage to some CCDs those slightly better temps are not a surprise.
Been waiting for this.
now the various cards have a flow to them. so much better.
I do want to see what those SSD's can do in an array.
I do wonder what the long term storage plan is though. Since the SSD's have a comparatively low number of total writes available to them compared to spinning rust, I'm not sure how the editing workload will affect the drive life.
I never let any of my pc's 'sleep' now for many years, always disable it. I would also mount the rad the other side of the bracket (i notice there is plenty of room) and mount the fans then on the the inside of the bracket blowing through the rad and then out (exhaust). The look will be cleaner on the inside of the case and the rad will be closer to the outside of the case 👍
I had the no sleep problem on my Asrock motherboard. I eventually got it to work by doing the bios S3 sleep and then enabling it in the Local Group Policy Editor in windows. I used the instructions in the makeuseof article "How to restore a missing sleep option in windows 10". Hopefully this could help you too.
Paul, where did you get the PCIE riser for Joe's ElGato cap card?
and TIL that you can slot a cap card into a slot normally as wide as the slots for GPU's (3:16)
Sleep/hibernate is not a mode I use. I purposely turn it off. So i would not rma for it. However if you do use sleep mode, then you should rma it. As for ongoing content... if you rma it, perhaps showing any changes in the 1.1 or 1.2 versions of the motherboard would be interesting. Outside of that I think you guys covered it.
@18:29 Joe looks like he’s ready to be done and back home playing some games with this bad boy already 🙃😎
Next level insane spending this shocking amount of money on a workstation system to game on. AMD really ripped its TR buyers off after that TRX40 shambles ;)
Those fans with that case, I cannot lie, looks really slick
rma the board..
move radiator to rear side of the case so all 3 fans are flush...
run those 3 fans as exhaust...
finally the cards look sooo much better now!!
In the B roll near the end of the video it looks like the top fan on the air cooler is not installed properly. Otherwise an awesome build. I'm jealous.
For that case, the side fans should be input. it sounds like it doesn't make sense to only have 1 exhaust but, every test I've seen on it, shows it improves temps. Can you lower the motherboard tray and get 2 in the back? Lian Li themselves recommend to configure all the side fans as intake. - Sleep is stupid. Just leave it on idle. Turn the display off if you need to.- RAM taking a long time early might be clock rate instability with 4 sticks. Clock it down to stock (no expo) and try again. If no post then, problems. If it posts, work on timings more than bus speed for AMD.
Who's got the Best Boss ever? Joe does!! Damn what an Upgrade over his old system!
Generally sleep option is or can be a personal preference, in a large work environment sleep feature may not be welcome as the computers may set to reboot and update as needed on demand via a network command like where I work at as an example. That being said unless you're remote managing this pc, I would RMA it given what's been communicated even with the pain of the process or reach out to any rep you might have contact with to see if they can help.
Paul, what does the command: "powercfg /a" state in the prompt? S3 should be stated as supported. If not, is "ACPI suspend" (something along those lines) enabled in the BIOS, iirc it's that where you need to look.
I think sleep is a good feature to have available. If I spent that much I would want the new motherboard who knows what other issues may arise that are not present in the newer revision
Awesome, Wendel is a fount of knowledge ain't he. Nother great video, only I thought Joe's acceptation speech at the end went on a bit too long.
Don't have the sleep option on my AMD Ryzen 9 5900X build running windows 11 Pro either. And I had hell with my gigabyte TRX40 Designaire Motherboard when I did my Threadripper build in 2020 finally had to RMA the board in 2021 and after that it was a great pc until some one stole it last year.
@Paul's Hardware : Hi Paul & Joe,
First of all : I would RMA the board, it costs more than enough to expect everything to be fully functional, including the sleep capabilities.
And 2nd : move the GPU AIO 240 radiator up and let both fans on the radiator exhaust, and put the intake fan at the bottom so that it feeds in cooler air (hot air rises).
If you can : try placing louvres that force the radiator air exhaust upwards instead of straight out (horizontally), that may help to feed cooler air to the lower intake fan.
radiators should be intake
That RMA would be a RPITA, but I'm wondering what else was fixed too. Is there any documentation out there that states all the changes? Conservatively, could also wait a few months if there's a gracious RMA window to see if the community notes any issues with 1.0. Does no sleep also mean no hibernation?
When recording video do you save onto the camera memory and import or do you capture the footage?
I would have gone with a different PC Case and get a Full tower PC case with better room for your needs. PLus+ i would put the GPU Cooler at the bottom of the case pushing it out. Then have the side front fans pushing in and then the front bottom fan pushing in Aswell.
Great temps. Awesome setup. I'd still swap out the MB though. /2c
Seems like a lot of people agree with this take...
Sleep setting can be added with registry keys
I would love to find out how do you even bring such a system along and even why. In the past they bring laptops?
Paul, When I updated to the newest version of windows I lost the sleep button but after a week or so it came back. Every so often it happens again but after A shutdown it usually comes back.
i manually disable sleep options always on all of the over 4000 gaming systems ive built over the years because so many freeze issues arise from sleep/wake. i just tell my peeps to either leave it up or shut it down. i personally have never ever ever used sleep on any systems for over 25 years.
system looks like a monster, should really make joe's life easier with much shorter render times.
update to my previous comment; i also looked in part 2 of the build vlog, and i THINK i can kinda determine what it shoiuld look like when i google it possibly thru Amazon
Just a thought, woudlnt it be better if you put the GOU rad at the rear/exhaust because it can fit up to a 240mm rad and then the 3 side fans can all be the same depth lol just a thought
10:40 If the RMA is very low cost or free I'd do it for the sake of getting a better and potentially more reliable board. I don't personally use sleep functions so wouldn't care much about the feature, but there could be other issues on v1.0.
Wendell, the hero slowly getting more recognition I hope he gets more involved in the whole space.
wow he is a hero because he makes videos and revies? Damn, we are living in a "good" world. There are enough others which make such videos. Do we really need one more?
Wendell is a pro, Level1techs deserves more recognition.
Turned out so much better on the end. I'm not so keen on that case though. It's huge but doesn't seem to benefit from it as much as other cases. I think workstation motherboards should think more intelligently about ssd storage too and better integral solutions provided. I think air cooling is better unless the heat it causing issues like on an old cray supercomputer or something.
I'd RMA, not because of Sleep but in case of other issues down the road due to drivers/firmware updated and new hw stuff that I might change or upgrade... not sure what hw I could upgrade with this setup though :)
You can still use a script I think to make the PC go to sleep Paul. Happy New Year guys!
For me the sleep function is no big deal on a PC, I always turn it off, because a lot of software doesn't play nice with it when the PC wakes back up. I do usually leave the sleep/hibernate function enabled on laptop computers. Since this is your production system, I would RMA it for a newer revision of the MB. Seems like they pushed the first version out before it was ready, and if a firmware update can't fix problems, I would go with a revised MB.
Alleluia! My air flow angst thus relieved.
Sleep? Why not just shut it down for extended inactivity? I have a x570 Gigabyte MB with Windows 11 Pro installed. I can manually pick Sleep from the menu, but the OS setting to sleep at 30 min of no input is unpredictable. Sometimes it goes to sleep at 30 min, sometimes it doesn’t…for durations longer than 10 hours. Odd.
sick pc i would be stoked to be ripping that pc
It's all fun and games when dealing with an AIO till the pump fails. The slight temp difference isn't worth the future headache, imo.
I know this is such a minor, stupid thing, but I really appreciate the call out to Level One Techs and the GN mod mat.
Well you convinced me to switch back to air cooling for the Ryzen 8000 series.
Tech-Tempest
8000, Notebook, ultra small system you need, low Watt systems !
13900 F here, i love it, getting 200 + frames too on next gen fancy Nvidia cards !
I'd want to hear what gigabyte has to day directly before RMA - like others have said, revisions that fast can sometimes mean urgent issues were addressed.
That said, sleep (S3) isn't a huge power savings these days and, with win11 on AM5, has actually shown issues with memory speed reduction over time.
Since windows benefits from occasional full restarts anyway, I usually configure my PC to hibernate (S4), which allows the memory controller to entirely shut down, and I fully reboot once a week. (Hibernate has to be added to the start menu via control panel in win11)
Ever since the on/off power button on my old PC broke (through years of wear and tear) and I wasn't able to fix it (for some reason the actual switch was built into the chassis, behind a pop-rivetted bracket) I've been paranoid about not shutting down. I would definitely want the ability to put it to sleep, just for my peace of mind.
the cpu fan on top with the orange corner looks like it is not seated flat and flush against the cpu radiator... might want to look at that... beautiful system though!
I loved the janky way as well, but why didnt you turn the bottom fans back around.
What I would want? Simple RMA the Motherboard and then put in the air-cooled GPU you wanted to use from the start. Make all three of the vertical fans intakes as well as all the bottom fans. The case has enough holes in the back and that back fan for exhaust. But that is just my suggestion.
DavidSiebert
this is promoted gear, can't RMA that.
My suggestion, just buy the HP OMEN 14900 F system, keep it cheap, 1699 is enough.
Need more, buy more parts ? New case ? Less good ?