I admit,Dave is very outspoken,however,asyou said,Dave calls a number of people stupid.ive was raised in a church that YOU'D better do what they said or else: they didnt teach or believe in compassion: i will say Dave should have gotten some sort aid or help for the young woman instead of it hitting the media,very bad press.i dont know all the facts though: i can relate in a way because of how i was reared in the church.
That doesn't make it right. I watch Dave's show and follow his financial advice but I cringe every time he calls someone stupid. It's not okay and that is actually "classless". People get desensitized by people's celebrity status. It's wrong for Dave to do it just as it is for anyone else. He fires her for her sin but turns around and sins by cussing. His firing her and canceling her insurance is just as bad as her having pre marital sex. The hypocrisy is incredible. He's gonna lose this one.
You're projecting your own bias into the situation. You weren't raised in "the church." You were raised by people, who are sinners. Your one congregation may not have been doing it right. But if you read the bible, all kinds of congregations had their own problems. This is nothing new. You're literally blaming God for the actions of people in your one congregation. Doesn't sound very compassionate to me, but it does sound hypocritical. I would invite you to try again. You can always go back to Christ as long as you draw breath. @@victortaylor7737
They didn't terminate her because she got pregnant. She was fired for having pre-marital sex. I've interviewed for Ramsey's company and they are very clear at the beginning what their expectations for employees are. I personally had issues with it and chose not to work there. This lady could have done the same.
Yeah a "rule" that shouldn't be a rule. Not allowing people working at your company to do anything you think is a sin, is insanely controlling and gross
Funny I agree. However that is one thing that I really like about the Dave Ramsey Show. People call and give specific number about their financial situations. If they don't give those numbers, Dave will ask. No harm, it's all anonymous.
Well he certainly isn't commanding that his employees abstain from eating shell fish or, I don't know, own slaves. He's cherry picking parts of the Bible that oppress women.
@@EDUAROSOLAS If he is Christian, then...... yeah, big surprise, I guess we would expect him not to promote expired ancient Hebrew/Jewish customs. If you're re-defining "oppressed" to mean "agitated by responsibility", I would imagine there are women experiencing real oppression all over this world who would quickly trade it for some of this phoney oppression.
@@44fastgun wait, so youre going to dismiss the the old testament commandments as if God hmself didnt speciically command them hmself? When do you think god became more moral than his behavior in the OT? Keep in mind that according to Christians, Jesus himself commanded the atrocities and disgusting law in the OT, because he is the creator god.
@@EDUAROSOLAS You didn't hear me dismiss anything. The Old testament laws were valid and established to prepare for the Messiah, whose presence would begin a new covenant. The OT itself foretells the expiration of that dispensation (Jeremiah 31: 31-34, Ezekiel 36: 24-28). I do not see where God was any less Holy than He's always been. The only real OT atrocity I see is wicked human beings rebelling and despising their creator after He revealed to them their best path to eternal existence. If you are trying to suggest slavery as "God's huge mistake", then you would be the one guilty of dismissing the OT. The whole system reveals itself in Exodus to resemble what in modern times is called indentured servanthood; it was a voluntary, temporary path to land-ownership for the poor, with strict laws against abuse, and provisions for voluntary permanence due to many servants developing favorable relationships with their employer. Compare that to the secular welfare disaster of today that panders to poor folks until election day, gives little incentive to work,, then leaves them with a mere grocery check for the rest of their lives. I think you got the OT confused with the humanisticly-developed secular Euro-colonial slavery system, which was involuntary, abusive, and violated every precept that was the OT social structure.
She refused the money he offered her upon separation. Sounds like she's looking for "deep pockets." She claims she didn't know about the policy, yet said she was "terrified" when she told them she was pregnant. Her story is inconsistent.
Well if she knows Dave Ramsey and his beliefs she shouldn't have chosen to work for him in the first place if she didn't agree with his beliefs. She kind of walked into that one... So honestly, him saying she's stupid is somewhat accurate....
The company offered her a years worth of wages as severance pay (on top of the regular wages she was already owed), offered to assist with health insurance, shared resources for counseling & support, etc. she refused it and sued. She has a personal vendetta against Ramsey and was trying to get rich and get rid of him
Agreed, sometimes 'cultural Catholics' or 'cafeteria Catholics' they moan about their church's teachings, but then work at a Catholic school, or work for the church and then moan about a moral teaching of theirs, it's crazy, have personal integrity.
@@michellea9857 lol I’m going to acquaint you with a saying I like. “Religion is like a dick, it’s cool that you have one, just don’t go shoving down peoples throats without asking”
It doesn't qualify as a cult. Having a code of conduct set or moral principles is not a cult. You can disagree with the principles but it is not a cult.
She didnt get kicked out a church group. She got terminated from her career.. Its illegal and Ramsey already had to pay out a lesbian he fired before this.
@@Gmac_Greg_M Moral clauses are totally legal and enforceable. If you sign on to one you are accountable to it. its typically part of an employment a contract.
That’s fine, but there is no place in a DEMOCRACY for BASIC human freedoms - including the right to privacy - to be ignored simply because the dictator in charge wants to control people like the Saudi Arabian religious police. Very disturbing that he is allowed to operate in this country.
@@manitoulady5208 She could have easily applied to work at a different company that did not have this clause. They gave her a year's worth of severance pay and offered information about counseling/support resources in the area, far more than they were legally obligated to do. Most employees who get fired don't get any kind of severance at all, and she actually got more in severance than others who were fired for the same reason. She wants a payday and to satisfy a personal vendetta against Ramsey
She signed an employment contract, violated that contract and was fired. She wasn't discriminated against for pregnancy, she was fired for violation of the morals clause in her employment contract. Same thing happened to Chris Hogan. Dave Ramsey calls his entire audience stupid, his callers stupid, and himself stupid on a regular basis. You don't go work for an extremely stringent religious company unless you agree with and will abide by their rules. Playing dumb doesn't help your case... just makes you look stupid.
And how pathetic do you look for defending your dear friend Dave for wanting to control an employee while she is away from work. Who watches over Dave when he is away fron work? Ready for the big response ? Here it is.___________________________________________________________________ No one.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
@@Vandicoup She wasn't fired for getting pregnant. They just found out she violated the morality clause because in order to get pregnant, she had to have violated the morality clause.
@@Bugsy0333 "wanting to control an employee while she is away from work" Companies do this all the time. Lots of employees are fired when their social media posts and other conduct is not consistent with the companies values. The liberals are huge into cancelling people and getting them fired for conduct outside of work.
@@Nilruin It is still before the court, so we shall see what happens. I’m still a firm believer that whatever happens outside of work and and within your personal life is none of Dave Ramsey’s business.
Except he’s not. His right-hand man, Chris Hogan, was having an affair for years and Dave was helping cover it up until that got outed and he had to let Chris go because of this whole debacle
@@bmjr96 I've never understood why employees think we're supposed to discuss other people's HR or personal issues in the open. Several types of therapy are offered through Employee Assistance Programs (EAP) with the promise of confidentiality. Once that employee takes it public, however, those in charge may speak on it publicly. Until then, I really don't think anyone wants there problems discussed with other employees or the public.
Hogan got fired only AFTER his wife pushed Dave who stood still defending Hogan so she went public, not when Dave found out about his infidelities. Why is it different for a Ramsey male star and not a junior female employee?
THe problem even if the moral contract is there etc. is that legally that is unenforcable as well as illegal. A contract has to detail legal actions or it is not legally enforcable.
I mean I think it’s a dumb policy. But Dave Ramsey calls people stupid on the air everyday, it’s part of the way he talks. You knew that. And you knew the policy and i guarantee you signed something saying you understood it.
@@Convexhull210 I was referring to Christianity, which Dave Ramsey claims to be, that states "Thou shall not judge, or you to shall be judge." - Matthew 7
Girl, this is literally in his contract. If he fired Chris Hogan for infidelity, what makes you think he wasn’t going to stick to the other principles outlined within the signed document? Go ahead and try to sue😂
Ramsey is so hard headed that he refuses to change his teachings even when it's been shown multiple times he can't do math. So the likelihood of him changing a stupid policy he has is pretty slim. The man's a half-wit charlatan but he will stick to his own backwards rules any day of the week.
Only that it was found out that Dave was covering up Chris' infidelity at first. He only fired him when it went public and they were receiving heat for it.
@@luisa1473 I thought they fired him, Chris hogan came out with a vague post, and THEN his wife outted them for waiting until after his book tour and forcing them into marriage counseling afterward? But yes I hate the way they handled it because if his wife would’ve stayed this would’ve been kept under wraps and they never would’ve fired him, which is idiotic
@@luisa1473 They sent Chris through counseling but the moment it was brought to his attention Dave put him on leave. Chris's wife expressly stated that.
@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 It's called being the owner of a company dude if it wasn't lawfull 100 ex employees would have sued and won. She isn't the first person to quit and try to sue Dave ramsey Inc. Many have tried and all of them have lost in court. She knew what she was signing up for.
@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 Interesting. The only reason I said moral clause was because the clause was based around Dave's and his company's morals. But reality it's just a work clause. These are completely legal. Bit the fact the woman elects to be immoral and sue because of a health insurance benefit change is more indicative of the type of person SHE is, than Ramsey. Good luck to her when she gets out of the oppression "bubble"
"It's his company. He can run it the way he wants." I can't tell you how much that mentality infuriates me. So a company can just break discrimination laws? Human Rights laws? Wage laws? After all, it's a private business, and a business owner can break whatever laws they see fit, right? Now I know why Corporate America has become tyrannical and bloated. People condone their behavior and allow them to have complete control over their employees' lives (including their bodies~vax mandate comes to mind). Then the same people who have the mentality of "private business can do whatever they want" complain that "no one wants to work" while waiting ten minutes at the drive-thru for a burger and fries.
you cant just run a company however you want because its your company. We live in a country with laws and ETHICS. And last time I checked, Dave R isnt God.
Thats her personal life, a company has no business in that. If shes a good employee should be their only concern. Dave Ramsey does give some good advice on other topics. I hope she does win her lawsuit.
As an employer, you're bound by certain laws regardless of whether you're a private company or publicly held company. Like it or not, and illegal firing is an illegal firing. I think he's going to lose this case. Besides, doesn't Jesus preach that we should turn the other cheek? The whole point of the New Testament was about forgiveness, so she's even got a good argument using Dave's own religious principles. Matthew 18:21-22 21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" 22Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
@@DrKnowsMoresure he can forgive her. But that doesn’t mean he has to continue keeping her on the payroll. Forgiveness and consequences for your actions are two separate things.
I feel bad for the lady, and yet it is no secret that Dave Ramsey owns a particular brand that he is inherently obligated to protect; not just for him but all of his employees as well. If you don't practice what you preach, literally, your credibility can be called into question and devalue what you stand for.
I don't think Dave Ramsey is following biblical principles when he fires a woman and cuts off her insurance at the most vulnerable time of her life. We don't even know if the father is going to stand by her and the child. Speaking of the child, he or she is completely innocent, and Dave just made it much more likely that the child will be born into poverty.
@@jaysilver9193 He also fired one of his co-hosts for the same thing. She also isn't the only employee there. He might be trying to look out for his other employees. Frankly it is his business. But you could hire her if you feel so inclined.
@@jaysilver9193 Nobody cares what you speculate about what could be. Ramsey is looking out for the integrity of his business. You have no idea what went down and what went into the decisions
Dave Ramsey shouldn’t be dictating his employees’ sex lives. It’s none of his business. It does not “reflect” on the company. Shame on him for firing her in a vulnerable time. There are new laws that protect pregnant women against this!
Not really a Dave Ramsey fan, but if he has a set of guidelines to work at his company, and you don’t agree with them… then why work there? And why be stupid enough to get mad when he fires you for breaking them? Because he called you classless? It’s not exactly classy to get pregnant before you get married. This generation needs to wake up. You live with the consequences of the choices you make. Own it and move on. Don’t blame others
@@chriswood9808 Dave's word isn't law, supposedly this lady got paid since its guideline is against the law. Just like now Biden is working to outlaw non-compete and if it passes and most likely will, almost all major companies have a non-compete and that will make all those null and void
@@alexiswaddle4777 maybe pregnancy discrimination should be legal....single motherhood and feminism are the 2 worlds worst cancers.....single motherhood produces the worlds worst criminals.....strong and independent just as long as that welfare check and child support check are in the mailbox.
@tryingtowalkthepath683One can be discriminated based upon ethnicity, age, sex, or disability. However, one cannot be discriminated "based on premarital sex."
@@jonb3189 Its not discrimination, she signed an employment contract with a moral clause. Its 100% legal and enforceable. She wasn't forced to sign the contract. She signed it knowing fully well the consequences for violating the contract.
@@tony72gut I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt that you can put in an employment contract that you cannot have premarital s-x. That you cannot be divorced. That you cannot be a single mother / father. Nor can you specify to be of a certain religion .... and call this a "moral clause." Regardless, the courts will decide.
The “controversial” recording of Dave sounds exactly like how he does on his show ha ha, it’s his company he can run it how he wants. His beliefs aren’t exactly a secret.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Not sure, but Chris probably had to meet some terms of his contracts and book signing obligations. Also Hogan made a video that was emailed to customers, I don’t think she had to make a public statement. Both were handled differently as they held different positions.
@@mike-kh8bu whether that's the case or not they don't have to necessarily apply it evenly.... they can apply it as they see fit. Just like speeding is illegal and police pick and choose who to pull over even though they probably saw 100 other people speeding before they chose you...
The worst part is the people working hardest are getting the least remuneration for their efforts and then shamed in the media for not taking more hours, more work despite the poverty wages. 40% of people in work need state support. That’s a reflection of greed not poor work ethics by working people. This is being done by design, by greed.
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I’ve been diligently working, saving and contributing towards early retirement and financial freedom, but since covid outbreak, the economy so far has caused my portfolio to underperform, do I keep contributing to my 401k or look at alternative sectors to meet my goals?
@@face2lune I've always delegated my investment decisions to an advisor, since suffering major portfolio loss early 2020, amid covid outbreak. I'm now semi-retired and only work 7.5 hours a week, with barely 25% short of my $1m retirement goal after subsequent investments to date.
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States have lots of statutes and Tennessee no doubt does too. The common law doctrine, though, is employment at will. That is, either party can terminate for any reason, or no reason at all.
If you agreed to work there knowing the standards they have for employees, you have no legal standing. Sure, not cool, but don't be mad when people have told you who they are and then prove it to you.
@@brian4180 If you actually watched this video you would see that they called it (His biblical principles). They try to make it seem like Dave wrote the bible. Re-watch this video, I'm not sure how you missed it, but they do emphasize that making it seem like Dave owned the bible. Either you aren't too bright or your a bot.
Having a boss tell everyone in the company that a certain employee is stupid happens more than you think. We have one annual group meeting where I work and this year the owner announced someone just quit and then he said a few less than positive comments about that person
Dude, the "christian" company I had worked for gossiped and maligned just about every non-family person that left the company. I would never work at a private "christian" company again. Quite frankly, I don't even know what "christian" means anymore as at 5 least different religions claim it, and often the principles are for everybody else...not ownership, family, or management.
Yeah, but when churches are donating millions of dollars to a Christian company, you can’t defend that company by pointing out that other worldly organizations do the same thing. The church and Christian companies are supposed to be called to a higher level of ethics.
I wonder why the news organization zoomed in on the word classless without allowing us to see any of the context the rest of that quote may have provided 🤔
Since she knowingly and freely signed this moral clause that “violates federal law”…does that mean she also violated the law like she’s accusing him of doing? It’s interesting when you sign up for something, knowing the rules, but then get upset about it when you break those rules. And anytime you’re terminated or leave the company, their insurance coverage stops ‘almost immediately’. It’s not a corporations responsibility to pay your medical bills once you’re off staff.
An agreement signed willingly doesn't mean it is a violation of Federal law but may mean you are surrendering certain rights you might have under Federal law otherwise. Many people sign away their right to find remedy in court by agreeing to an arbitration clause. Some things like worker classification are pretty tight in that even if the employee and employer agree the employee is an exempt salary or contractors position the law prevents that agreement. Morals clause, arbitration and such agreements are usually not so tight and the parties can enter into such agreements. Unless this lady failed to sign the morals agreement and Dave specifically named her and committed character defamation I doubt she has much of a case. It is highly unlikely either of those two conditions existed.
It is completely legal to have these kinds of moral clauses. Many religious schools require this of their teachers. For instance, the diocese in my area have in their standard teacher contracts for the schools that sexual activity outside of marriage, pregnancy from artificial means (ie.: IVF, artificial insemination, donor eggs etc), nonmedical cannabis use (as in its prescribed for an actual serious condition), a few other things, are contrary to Catholic teachings and grounds for termination
@@johnbobbillyshow1433 so if a private company would hire people for being Muslim or gay that would be okay? Or would the labor board intervene?? Same difference
@@Gumby6583 Up to the company. they look at expertise. Hiring someone just because they are gay, Asian, black, white, doesn't mean they know, understand or can do the job. Companies hire based on what they need not what other people want. Its a private company, they can do whatever they want.
@@techdiyer5290 so if I have a “private company” I can do whatever I want? I can just dump toxins anywhere? I can abuse my workers? Is that what you are saying???
He talks to EVERYONE this way! Callers, on stage, every one. She isn't special. This is what makes him Dave. The firing isn't because she pregnant, it's because she isn't married. If she were married, and pregnant she wouldn't be on thus situation
If she signed an agreement and cashed the pay checks, she made a choice. While I do not agree with the moral expectations of the company, she made a choice so she needs to own it.
Dave Ramsey runs a Christian financial advice company. He has the right to demand of his employees a certain standard of ethical and moral behaviour. It is a private company.
Again: the issue is that they fired a poor pregnant woman, and yet let Ramsey's friend stay there after multiple affairs. The woman married her fiance, and Ramsey's friend's wife divorced him. You can't make separate rules for men and women. AGAIN, that's the problem.
He lied to people and scammed and robbed people. He did an illegal thing by not letting people know he was being paid $450,000 a month even as thousands wrote to him and complained. And although he broke civil laws, he broke the laws of God for cheating and scamming people. Karma has come back to him. Dave Ramsey was seduced by power-over and sold his soul to the devil. He hurt people in the name of God
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
Personally I don't agree with the policy but come on its not the company wasn't up front about it she still made the decision to work there anyway weather the policy is right or wrong she knew what she was getting into so that's on her
@@genghiscan2918 that's only partly true they actually settled. However all of the articles on it are very vague. But one thing I can say with certainty is that when you sue a company work 2 to 3 hundred million dollars (the main building alone is worth more than 80 million) and you only get 76k through a settlement and not a ruling, that is a petty strong indicator that you didn't exactly have the strongest case but it's just simply not worth the hassle to deal with and its cheaper to just settle than investing the money in legal costs it would take to win. Idk if that's really the case but it's just kinda sus.
@@jeffsmith9420 You mean the Constitution that says this? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
So would it be ok if I fired every person in my company who was a registered republican voter because I only employ democrats? How about if I fired every Christian because they didn't fit in with my company culture? What if I chose to fire every man because I only employ women? What If I refused service to straight couples because I only work for gay couples? What would you say if I refused service to white people and served people of color? I honestly want your thoughts on this.
@@BigNameJamesStuff I am a Libertarian. I would fully support a world in which everyone can do what they want with there business. I 💯 percent think that would be ok. But unfortunately due to affirmative action as well as many other things that is not currently the world we live in. The racist and sexist companies like the ones you named above or companies that only hired men and whites would naturally go out of business over a short time or at least you would know if you were supporting POS owners.
@@alinatamashevich3354 Why are you so quick to jump to conclusions? The company said that it "does not maintain an exhaustive list of conduct that can lead to employee discipline because it is neither practical nor required,” but over time "specific rules have developed" to address employee conduct. "One is that Defendant does not allow employees to engage in premarital sex,” the company said.
So, it's kind of like working at a bank where you sign an agreement stating you will be fired for stealing money then when you steal money you get fired? So you sue the bank.?
*Ramsey's *there's *there *there Besides that, you cant just run a company however you want because its your company. We live in a country with laws and ETHICS
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
People need to cut it out. You don't get to discriminate against people because they are pregnant. As for being a listener of his, once you figure out who he is, its on you whether you continue to listen.
Why do these women go work for a group of people they know operate a certain way and then years late sue them after being on their payroll? Why not just don't work for such organizations?
@@jacklong7048 If you are referring to the businesses, it’s hard to judge morals during the hiring process. Which candidate ever says they are not moral?
How come Chris Hogan continued to be employed by Ramsey even after it was disclosed he had committed adultery and had banged employees of Ramsey? Because he was black and they had a quota? Because he was a draw on the radio show? Tell us, Oh Wise One.
@@vitawater4259you don't need to/have to share your private details but if you get pregnant out of wedlock, well 🤷🏾♀️. I went to schools where getting pregnant out of wedlock would get you kicked out and/or you'd lose your scholarship. If you can't abide by the high moral conduct, then go elsewhere. It's as simple as that.
And to finish it off, it was a coworker she got pregnant by 🤦🏽♂️ if she’s an AA there definitely a big no no. Companies don’t like higher ups hooking up with hourly employees, what made her special???
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
The basis of his business is biblical teaching on life and finances. He falls more in the category of missions. It’s no surprise he would have tight rules on employee conduct at work and outside work. You directly represent the company you work for to others in the world around you. It’s very similar to working for a retailer or service business and badmouthing it publicly outside work hours.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
Firing someone for sex before marriage is hardly a detriment to anyone's place of work. It's not immoral, it's discrimination. And we have actual US Labor laws to protect against that, FYI...
His teachings on money are not biblical. They are mostly helpful reasonable, but they could as well be recommended by an atheist. He himself is a Christian and he sells his courses via the churches. Plus he is a control freak.
Dave is principled. He didn’t do anything wrong. If you don’t like his company rules, you will be happier somewhere else. Are you hoping for a big financial payout? It sure sounds like it.
Ramsey gets his ass handed to him in court and the woman walks away with millions. In the meantime, his stupidity destroys his public image. Women 1 Christian hypocrites 0.
These are not secret recordings. He says this on his podcast. Media trying to twist this and make her a victim. He calls himself stupid when he does stupid things. It’s not “his” biblical values, it’s biblical values. People acting like their feelings are hurt so they can sue. It is classless AND stupid.
He wants certain people working for him, it is what it is. Why was she terrified about losing her job? She knew 100% that is why. This is not surprising based on things he has said on his show.
This is exactly WHY there are so many abortions. She could have secretively aborted the baby and kept her job. Jesus stooped and wrote in the sand... probably the 10 commandments some scholars say? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Because Dave, like most Christians, cherry picks what's good and tosses the rest. So yes, his biblical principles. Really not as hard to understand as you're making it seem.
@@johndoe-ii1ko - I'm unaware of adultery being acceptable in any sect of Christianity? I'm guessing he should abandon this core belief simply bc he eats pork? Oh brother!
@@MikeThePike316 what about slavery, not eating shellfish, or wearing certain fabrics as described and promoted in the bible? Think Dave cares about those principles? Yeah, that's what I thought. Again cherry pick what is cute and fuzzy, but ignore the dumb and ignorant parts. Cool, I'm sure God likes his book being watered down to what makes you tickle on the inside.
@@johndoe-ii1ko - So, you're cherry picking the Bible by focusing on the old testament? Kind of a weak argument considering that most of Christianity follows the new testament and abide by the ten commandments. Your gripe is with Christianity, not Dave for being a believer/follower.
it's in her contract, she just didn't bother to read it. she wants the company to condone her personal decisions that clearly don't align with the company's core values.
In these uncertain times, it's more important than ever to have a solid understanding of how to manage your finances, invest wisely and navigate economic downturns. But my primary concern is how to grow my reserve of $240k which has been sitting duck since forever with zero to no gains, sure I'm all in on the long term game, but with my savings are lying waste to inflation and my portfolio losing gains everyday, I need a remedy.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
If we had more Dave Ramsey’s in the world it would be a much better place. Not wanting to have employees engaging in unhealthy, risky behavior makes it a cult? 🤨
You can't have premaritial sex or be pregnant and unmarried, but you can use profanity (cause that's what he did in his rant to his employees)? What a hipocrite!!!!
@@emor1884 You are misquoting and misinterpreting the bible verse. And, aren't you judging all the Christians saying, "Christians don't read the bible "? Correct yourself!
@@emor1884The fact I said that you misquoted the verse prove your point" you said? The issue is that you don't have a point. No, You can't misquote and misinterpret the bible verses. If you want to mention book, chapter and verses, make sure you quote it correctly. Didn't they teach you in school? Besides, it says in the bible, don't add or delete of the Gods word, the bible. We all know "love your neighbor as thyself ". That has nothing to do with this topic. The woman who got pregnant out of wedlock knew what she singed up for. She signed a contract and violated the contract. Thus, it calls for a termination of her job as it says in the agreement that she signed . She wasn't fired because she was pregnant. She was fired because she violated the agreement. You keep saying, "you Christians " and generalizing everyone shows your immaturity. You can't violate the contract and expect to keep the job. From the way you keep saying "you Christians " over and over makes me think it's very possible that you are a Muslim. Also, from the way you misquoted the bible makes me think that. Seems like you have hatred for Christians.
@@emor1884 "stop thinking you will be burning in hell when you die", you said? How do you even know I believe such? You are just assuming thing which makes you look ignorant. Yes, I justify this man's behavior for firing her because she violated the contract. "Love your brother as yourself " . This doesn't mean that you don't punish someone who commits a crime right? You don't let people get away with things because " love your brother as yourself ". You are mixing things up. God punished people for their wickedness. For instance, sodom and Gomorrah. Does this mean he doesn't love us? Absolutely not! She wasn't fired because of "pregnancy ", she was fired because she violated the agreement she signed , knowingly.
Every company I ever worked for had a code of conduct. Most included a statement to the effect of employees were subject to disciplinary action up to and including employment termination if your actions brought the company into ill repute. By accepting employment, you were subject to the code of conduct which was shared before accepting the job offer. I also don’t trust the reporting. How can we be sure that what he was saying on the stage was specifically about her situation. Could have been a general comment about behavior of those employed by the organization. Might have been, but this seems to have been purposely edited to make it seem to be about her. Wouldn’t be the first case of deceptive editing.
Even if it is in condition of employment. Is it lawful? Can you dismiss someone because they are pregnant in America? Should employment condition be abide by the law?
@Prey R i think thats what happened too. As a christian company if they dont hold people accountable, they arent representing a christian company. Maybe they were willing to give her another chance, but the fact that she didnt see her past choice as problamatic working for a christian company is where they couldnt keep her on. Its one thing to make a mistake, but not owning up to it when you know it breached the core values is another as well.
@@redclayscholar620 ...what if you are married to a partner of the same sex??? Think 'marriage' will slide easily over the Ramsey human resource department unnoticed to gay married persons?
She says they didnt speak specifically about the no sex policy but was afraid to talk to HR because she was afraid she would get fired. That organization is very clear on the morality they expect from employees. She wasnt fired for being pregnant., she was fired for not complying with the morality expected of employees.
Dig deeper, she is not the only person who has been fired, just the first to stand up to him. She was fired for premarital sex not pregnancy. If so how do they monitor the sexual activities of the employees? We will see how this plays out. There is a YT video that covers legality and he did not handle a male employee in the same way.
Probably because firing for pregnancy is against federal law apparently whereas firing for stepping out of the moral code agreement might not be illegal. If she is naturally pregnant (not in vitro) and is not married, then the pregnancy proves she had premarital sex.
@@powers6253 Did she say how she got pregnant? What if she was raped? There is no law that says a woman must go to Police. It is difficult to prove date rape, and not every woman wants to go to court.
The company provided documentation that substantiated that several other employees also admitted to, or were discovered to violating this exact same rule, and every single one was also terminated; Add most of them were men
@@chetmyers7041 if that was the case, then it doesn’t make sense why she wouldn’t tell HR that’s what happened; she wouldn’t be telling HR in the media in the world that The father of the child was her boyfriend who she’s still with, and she never alleged He forced her in any way.
The company is very clear on what they are. They do not hide what they are. So when a person is seeking a job there it is not a surprise to them. So how did the person not know what the company was about?
I'm so glad she decline their offer. She's gonna get so much more from her suit than any offer they'd ever purpose. I can't even say Jesus would condone this. Not very Christian of Ramsey. Peace out Pharisee
Jesus would purposefully tell outrageous things to his disciples so they would leave if they were not 100% loyal to him. Like telling them they would have to eat his body and drink his blood (no context) if they truly wanted to follow him. Don't assume you know what he'd do without first reading his words.
The fact that Dave Ramsey doesn’t act Christian (or Christ-like) himself is what has me laughing. He’s holding people accountable for not following biblical standards when he doesn’t follow them in how he addresses to his employees or anyone in general. His “religion” is in vain (taking Christ’s name in vain too for calling himself Christian) because it is a dogma to him- not an experience. It’s obvious by his character that his Christianity is based on a theory of God- not a relationship.
While also being in obvious breach of your contract, you’re also broadcasting to potential future employers you’re not worth the PR headache in hiring. some people are just what people say about them…dumb!
Yes, glad people like this wonderful lady exist and Dave should have to pay her a nice settlement!!! Coward solutions where we F people up the A daily and don't expect Karma to ever get us, how can I help you!
It's "HIS" company. Not "hers." Why doesn't SHE create her own company and hire who SHE wants to. While SHE is working for HIM, you have to conform to HIS company's policies! Get over it lady! Sounds like she wants the company to pay for her medical bills.
@@shill1444 No it’s not. You’d have to be pretty dense to not understand they meant his principles are based on the Bible, either that or just like trolling.
People know what they're getting into when they get a job there. With that said I do think people of faith should take a different approach when dealing with these situations. A private school in my area is known to kick girls out who get pregnant. If we want to see the practice of abortion phased out then we need to act like it. What do we think leaving a young girl educationless or jobless is going to do to her decision making when it comes to the choice of ending the pregnancy.
Yeah but his company is not considered a non profit or a faith based organization, he could make it that if he wanted to. He has no legal right to terminate people because of premarital sex, he runs a for-profit corporation.
That's exactly why the anti-abortion movement/"right to life" movement is nothing but hypocrisy and careless, reckless behavior towards women and minorities. If they won't stand up and openly discuss and campaign for Sex ED, financial support for broke mothers, food stamps, counseling, better insurance, better medical care, better and more accessible food and care for their children and families, etc, etc, then they never cared about the babies and their families. They are all only about control, tyranny and oppression. That's all.
That's why abortion matters so much. It gives all of these women in hard times a way to bounce back, a way to course-correct their broken, oppressed lives. To move onto bigger and better without the burden and hardship of a forced pregnancy, brought down on them due to an intentional ignorance of proper and safe sex and education by our system. It gives women more options. It's health care. This is an extremely personal decision that is meant only between a woman, her doctor and her family. Not the government. The government slows things down, the government ruins everything.
@@Vandicoup they got themselves into their situation and how many are happily fulfilled aborters? Would it be great if a dad didn’t want kids so he could take a hammer to their heads? If yes then I get your point. Why should a man be oppressed by a woman to take care of a child he does not want? Hypocrite
Pretty sure Dave is a complete conman. Do what he says and see where it gets you!!! LOL Yeah ummm I didn't invest for 20 years and lived on beans and ryyyce so I could pay off my house. What?? I could have invested and I'd be up another 375,000??? Huh??? I mean ummm I don't I don't have umm. Butit's ok the walls of your house are made of steaks and sausage right. Just eat that!! Hang on someone's calling from my yacht that I got by conning all of you!!! :) :) :)@@Gibb591
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
Even though I feel that a person's personal business is no one's business, when you apply for a position at a company that have rules about your personal life and accept the position then you agree to the rules. Like it or not, it's a contract! She broke the contract. She's just being a crybaby now.
Abortion mills thank you and Dave, I'm sure. Some sins are more obvious than others. Can we detect and punish lust? Greed? Covetousness? Christians should HELP unwed mothers not make it difficult to keep and raise their baby. SMH.
@tryingtowalkthepath683 How do you know anything about her circumstances? My point is...if you want abortion to cease, then help women when they need help. Certainly, don't fire them!
@tryingtowalkthepath683 How do you know she wasn't raped? It happens. Even with a Christian man whom you TRUST. The Christian response to a single pregnant woman should be compassion. Not causing her to lose her means of employment. If Christians do not step up and embrace the life God is growing inside this woman, then EXPECT the abortion industry to continue. And, sorry, although I love Dave, I think he is an absolute bonehead for firing this young lady. Jesus is not kicking her out of the church, right?!?
I'm happy for Caitlin O'connor, because she apparently had a baby. Congratulations Caitlin, and I hope everything is going well. Awesome! But it's concerning that Ramsey apparently saying "classless" broke your soul. Is that just lawsuit talk? It's hard to believe you're serious. It's not like Ramsey didn't make his beliefs clear... right? You shouldn't be surprised, and don't forget he's entitled to his opinions.
He calls himself stupid as well, if you sign it and still break the contract and company calture you are "STUPID" indeed
To be fair, he calls almost everyone “stupid”
Calls himself stupid gazillion times.....
I admit,Dave is very outspoken,however,asyou said,Dave calls a number of people stupid.ive was raised in a church that YOU'D better do what they said or else: they didnt teach or believe in compassion: i will say Dave should have gotten some sort aid or help for the young woman instead of it hitting the media,very bad press.i dont know all the facts though: i can relate in a way because of how i was reared in the church.
That doesn't make it right. I watch Dave's show and follow his financial advice but I cringe every time he calls someone stupid. It's not okay and that is actually "classless". People get desensitized by people's celebrity status. It's wrong for Dave to do it just as it is for anyone else. He fires her for her sin but turns around and sins by cussing. His firing her and canceling her insurance is just as bad as her having pre marital sex. The hypocrisy is incredible. He's gonna lose this one.
@@2sumu Good for him and he calls everyone stupid, if you don't agree then leave. Ramsey is great.
You're projecting your own bias into the situation. You weren't raised in "the church." You were raised by people, who are sinners. Your one congregation may not have been doing it right. But if you read the bible, all kinds of congregations had their own problems. This is nothing new. You're literally blaming God for the actions of people in your one congregation. Doesn't sound very compassionate to me, but it does sound hypocritical. I would invite you to try again. You can always go back to Christ as long as you draw breath. @@victortaylor7737
They didn't terminate her because she got pregnant. She was fired for having pre-marital sex.
I've interviewed for Ramsey's company and they are very clear at the beginning what their expectations for employees are.
I personally had issues with it and chose not to work there. This lady could have done the same.
Why is his mind in other peoples bedrooms to begin with? Its creepy..
@@jamesjazzy8040 It doesn't matter. People know up front what they expect. Don't like it, don't work there.
@@malvolio01 Ramsey is a weirdo.
@@happymolecule8894 If you think so, don't work for him.
@@Nepthu I won't. I'm just saying it how it is.
she is not fired on pregnancy, she is fired for not following the rules that were put forth upon her acceptance of the position
Could've been worded in a weird way to cause confusion potentially making the contract null and void in some states
Yeah a "rule" that shouldn't be a rule. Not allowing people working at your company to do anything you think is a sin, is insanely controlling and gross
No - by law you cannot fire a woman for getting or being pregnant.
@@miamiflorida6965 Unless agreed to "Terms and Conditions" for employment perhaps?
@Sky1 cannot discriminate based on protected classes.
but we all know bible thumping Dave doesn't like women to work.. just ask his wife.
She said "Dave, I had premarital sex".
Dave: OK, what's your household income?"
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Do you have any boats or RV's? 😆
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Funny I agree. However that is one thing that I really like about the Dave Ramsey Show. People call and give specific number about their financial situations. If they don't give those numbers, Dave will ask. No harm, it's all anonymous.
Sell the cars, TA-day
Why do they keep saying "Dave's Biblical principles"? As if he authored a portion of scripture?
Take a look at "The Cult of Dave" and you'll see why they said that. Trust me
Well he certainly isn't commanding that his employees abstain from eating shell fish or, I don't know, own slaves. He's cherry picking parts of the Bible that oppress women.
@@EDUAROSOLAS If he is Christian, then...... yeah, big surprise, I guess we would expect him not to promote expired ancient Hebrew/Jewish customs. If you're re-defining "oppressed" to mean "agitated by responsibility", I would imagine there are women experiencing real oppression all over this world who would quickly trade it for some of this phoney oppression.
@@44fastgun wait, so youre going to dismiss the the old testament commandments as if God hmself didnt speciically command them hmself? When do you think god became more moral than his behavior in the OT? Keep in mind that according to Christians, Jesus himself commanded the atrocities and disgusting law in the OT, because he is the creator god.
@@EDUAROSOLAS You didn't hear me dismiss anything. The Old testament laws were valid and established to prepare for the Messiah, whose presence would begin a new covenant. The OT itself foretells the expiration of that dispensation (Jeremiah 31: 31-34, Ezekiel 36: 24-28). I do not see where God was any less Holy than He's always been. The only real OT atrocity I see is wicked human beings rebelling and despising their creator after He revealed to them their best path to eternal existence. If you are trying to suggest slavery as "God's huge mistake", then you would be the one guilty of dismissing the OT. The whole system reveals itself in Exodus to resemble what in modern times is called indentured servanthood; it was a voluntary, temporary path to land-ownership for the poor, with strict laws against abuse, and provisions for voluntary permanence due to many servants developing favorable relationships with their employer. Compare that to the secular welfare disaster of today that panders to poor folks until election day, gives little incentive to work,, then leaves them with a mere grocery check for the rest of their lives. I think you got the OT confused with the humanisticly-developed secular Euro-colonial slavery system, which was involuntary, abusive, and violated every precept that was the OT social structure.
My bet is that she signed a morality agreement. You can be sure Dave Ramsey has an iron-clad work contract he makes everyone sign.
Contracts dont void laws
He’s still a fucking Hypocrite. Calls himself a Christian and then not only turns his back on her but punished her.
He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
@@genghiscan2918 Wow, had no idea. Thanks.
@@mmc9828 the decision came down less than 2 weeks ago
She refused the money he offered her upon separation. Sounds like she's looking for "deep pockets." She claims she didn't know about the policy, yet said she was "terrified" when she told them she was pregnant. Her story is inconsistent.
Not inconsistent. She probably thought they were going to call her stupid and yell at her. Not fire her.
Well if she knows Dave Ramsey and his beliefs she shouldn't have chosen to work for him in the first place if she didn't agree with his beliefs. She kind of walked into that one... So honestly, him saying she's stupid is somewhat accurate....
She didn’t refuse it as much as she knew she couldn’t get it if she wanted to sue him or speak out about how she was “wronged”
Wouldn't they have a copy of the contract she signed, saying she would abide by the standards or leave? It can't have vanished.
The company offered her a years worth of wages as severance pay (on top of the regular wages she was already owed), offered to assist with health insurance, shared resources for counseling & support, etc. she refused it and sued. She has a personal vendetta against Ramsey and was trying to get rich and get rid of him
Why work for someone you don’t agree with their company’s beliefs?
Because it shouldn’t matter?
clearly it does because she lost her job over it @@Arcanespaghetti
Coz people gotta eat
Agreed, sometimes 'cultural Catholics' or 'cafeteria Catholics' they moan about their church's teachings, but then work at a Catholic school, or work for the church and then moan about a moral teaching of theirs, it's crazy, have personal integrity.
@@michellea9857 lol I’m going to acquaint you with a saying I like. “Religion is like a dick, it’s cool that you have one, just don’t go shoving down peoples throats without asking”
It doesn't qualify as a cult. Having a code of conduct set or moral principles is not a cult. You can disagree with the principles but it is not a cult.
All religions are cults
I'd say forcing people to abide by your morals comes pretty close to a cult.
@@snowpzexcept nobody is getting forced, it's a voluntary contract signing. If they don't like it they can look for different places to work
@@RJWaynerium follow my morals or I'll kick you out, idk still sounds like a cult bro
@@snowpzthink what you like
If you sign a morals clause you have to abide with it.
Not if it's illegal which this one clearly is.
She didnt get kicked out a church group. She got terminated from her career.. Its illegal and Ramsey already had to pay out a lesbian he fired before this.
Morals clause only works if it abides by federal/state laws! Haven’t looked at the laws though so don’t know if it covers this.
Wtf is moral clause fuck off with religious bs exscues
@@Gmac_Greg_M Moral clauses are totally legal and enforceable. If you sign on to one you are accountable to it. its typically part of an employment a contract.
She was terminated for breaking a contract.
No because it was never stipulated that pre marital sex was against company policy.
How do you know?
@@jesseallen8534 She said it right in the interview.
@@paxtonmusic9864oh so if I say in an interview im actually a billionaire who farts rainbows and my saliva can turn to gold it must be true?
An illegal and discriminatory contract.
I don’t work where I’m not welcomed nor where my life doesn’t line up with a companies belief
She needs insurance to cover the pregnancy
@@manitoulady5208 She needed to have pre-marital sex to become pregnant. See how the concept of "root cause" works?
@@manitoulady5208
Then she should’ve worked somewhere else
That’s fine, but there is no place in a DEMOCRACY for BASIC human freedoms - including the right to privacy - to be ignored simply because the dictator in charge wants to control people like the Saudi Arabian religious police. Very disturbing that he is allowed to operate in this country.
@@manitoulady5208 She could have easily applied to work at a different company that did not have this clause. They gave her a year's worth of severance pay and offered information about counseling/support resources in the area, far more than they were legally obligated to do. Most employees who get fired don't get any kind of severance at all, and she actually got more in severance than others who were fired for the same reason. She wants a payday and to satisfy a personal vendetta against Ramsey
She signed an employment contract, violated that contract and was fired. She wasn't discriminated against for pregnancy, she was fired for violation of the morals clause in her employment contract. Same thing happened to Chris Hogan.
Dave Ramsey calls his entire audience stupid, his callers stupid, and himself stupid on a regular basis.
You don't go work for an extremely stringent religious company unless you agree with and will abide by their rules. Playing dumb doesn't help your case... just makes you look stupid.
And how pathetic do you look for defending your dear friend Dave for wanting to control an employee while she is away from work.
Who watches over Dave when he is away fron work? Ready for the big response ? Here it is.___________________________________________________________________ No one.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
@@Vandicoup She wasn't fired for getting pregnant. They just found out she violated the morality clause because in order to get pregnant, she had to have violated the morality clause.
@@Bugsy0333 "wanting to control an employee while she is away from work" Companies do this all the time. Lots of employees are fired when their social media posts and other conduct is not consistent with the companies values. The liberals are huge into cancelling people and getting them fired for conduct outside of work.
@@Nilruin It is still before the court, so we shall see what happens. I’m still a firm believer that whatever happens outside of work and and within your personal life is none of Dave Ramsey’s business.
Dave’s company. You knew who he is. He consistent af. Is this a shocker?
Except he’s not. His right-hand man, Chris Hogan, was having an affair for years and Dave was helping cover it up until that got outed and he had to let Chris go because of this whole debacle
@@bmjr96 I've never understood why employees think we're supposed to discuss other people's HR or personal issues in the open. Several types of therapy are offered through Employee Assistance Programs (EAP) with the promise of confidentiality. Once that employee takes it public, however, those in charge may speak on it publicly. Until then, I really don't think anyone wants there problems discussed with other employees or the public.
Like her getting a job at the Playboy Corporation, then getting upset there are naked women around.
@@bmjr96 what’s your evidence he was covering up for Hogan for years?
Hogan got fired only AFTER his wife pushed Dave who stood still defending Hogan so she went public, not when Dave found out about his infidelities. Why is it different for a Ramsey male star and not a junior female employee?
Ramsey is based. She also broke her morality clause, that SHE AGREED TO.
She knew the deal. No sympathy!
What I..based..
THe problem even if the moral contract is there etc. is that legally that is unenforcable as well as illegal. A contract has to detail legal actions or it is not legally enforcable.
So if he doesn’t like gays or blacks or Catholics… this is ok?
@@FW-jq1oxreligion, race, and sexual orientation are protected classes. Being sexually active is not
I mean I think it’s a dumb policy. But Dave Ramsey calls people stupid on the air everyday, it’s part of the way he talks. You knew that. And you knew the policy and i guarantee you signed something saying you understood it.
Ever met a non judgemental Christian?
@@eddieyan3017 so you're not judgemental I guess? you've never judged anyone or anything in your life
@@Convexhull210 I do, yet I am not the one claiming I don't judge - I make all attempts to not be a hypocrite personally.
@@eddieyan3017 dave ramsey doesn't claim he doesn't judge and the reality is we all judgem
@@Convexhull210 I was referring to Christianity, which Dave Ramsey claims to be, that states "Thou shall not judge, or you to shall be judge." - Matthew 7
Girl, this is literally in his contract. If he fired Chris Hogan for infidelity, what makes you think he wasn’t going to stick to the other principles outlined within the signed document? Go ahead and try to sue😂
Ramsey is so hard headed that he refuses to change his teachings even when it's been shown multiple times he can't do math. So the likelihood of him changing a stupid policy he has is pretty slim. The man's a half-wit charlatan but he will stick to his own backwards rules any day of the week.
Only that it was found out that Dave was covering up Chris' infidelity at first. He only fired him when it went public and they were receiving heat for it.
@@luisa1473 I thought they fired him, Chris hogan came out with a vague post, and THEN his wife outted them for waiting until after his book tour and forcing them into marriage counseling afterward? But yes I hate the way they handled it because if his wife would’ve stayed this would’ve been kept under wraps and they never would’ve fired him, which is idiotic
Contracts cannot trump the law...
@@luisa1473 They sent Chris through counseling but the moment it was brought to his attention Dave put him on leave. Chris's wife expressly stated that.
😂😂😂 this is a common case of a woman agreeing to a moral clause. Acting immoral then is somehow mystified as to why ehe got fired. 😂😂😂
Yup. Had he not canceled her insurance she wouldn't have sued. Obviously a money grab
Moral clauses that are not lawful are not valid.
@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 It's called being the owner of a company dude if it wasn't lawfull 100 ex employees would have sued and won.
She isn't the first person to quit and try to sue Dave ramsey Inc. Many have tried and all of them have lost in court. She knew what she was signing up for.
@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 Interesting. The only reason I said moral clause was because the clause was based around Dave's and his company's morals.
But reality it's just a work clause. These are completely legal. Bit the fact the woman elects to be immoral and sue because of a health insurance benefit change is more indicative of the type of person SHE is, than Ramsey.
Good luck to her when she gets out of the oppression "bubble"
@@Flymore25 It isn't obvious to me. She signed up for his moral agenda but broke the agreement giving him every right to cut off her insurance.
It is kinda her fault in many ways.
He owns the company so he gets to make the rules. Don’t like his rules? Then don’t work there! It’s called capitalism, people.
Who would impregnate that? Ugh
"It's his company. He can run it the way he wants." I can't tell you how much that mentality infuriates me. So a company can just break discrimination laws? Human Rights laws? Wage laws? After all, it's a private business, and a business owner can break whatever laws they see fit, right?
Now I know why Corporate America has become tyrannical and bloated. People condone their behavior and allow them to have complete control over their employees' lives (including their bodies~vax mandate comes to mind).
Then the same people who have the mentality of "private business can do whatever they want" complain that "no one wants to work" while waiting ten minutes at the drive-thru for a burger and fries.
you cant just run a company however you want because its your company. We live in a country with laws and ETHICS. And last time I checked, Dave R isnt God.
He just seems like a douchebag bully to me
It's not the employers business if people have pre marital sex
It’s a private company. Dave dictates the rules. Also the rules are what he preach all day long and she want to bend the rule for her.
Thats her personal life, a company has no business in that. If shes a good employee should be their only concern. Dave Ramsey does give some good advice on other topics. I hope she does win her lawsuit.
Rules don’t trump law dummy.
@@phelps1485my job has a morality clause. They can fire me if I file for bankruptcy.
As an employer, you're bound by certain laws regardless of whether you're a private company or publicly held company. Like it or not, and illegal firing is an illegal firing. I think he's going to lose this case. Besides, doesn't Jesus preach that we should turn the other cheek? The whole point of the New Testament was about forgiveness, so she's even got a good argument using Dave's own religious principles.
Matthew 18:21-22
21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" 22Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
@@DrKnowsMoresure he can forgive her. But that doesn’t mean he has to continue keeping her on the payroll. Forgiveness and consequences for your actions are two separate things.
I feel bad for the lady, and yet it is no secret that Dave Ramsey owns a particular brand that he is inherently obligated to protect; not just for him but all of his employees as well.
If you don't practice what you preach, literally, your credibility can be called into question and devalue what you stand for.
I don't think Dave Ramsey is following biblical principles when he fires a woman and cuts off her insurance at the most vulnerable time of her life. We don't even know if the father is going to stand by her and the child. Speaking of the child, he or she is completely innocent, and Dave just made it much more likely that the child will be born into poverty.
@@jaysilver9193 He also fired one of his co-hosts for the same thing. She also isn't the only employee there. He might be trying to look out for his other employees. Frankly it is his business.
But you could hire her if you feel so inclined.
@@jaysilver9193 Nobody cares what you speculate about what could be. Ramsey is looking out for the integrity of his business. You have no idea what went down and what went into the decisions
Dave Ramsey shouldn’t be dictating his employees’ sex lives. It’s none of his business. It does not “reflect” on the company. Shame on him for firing her in a vulnerable time. There are new laws that protect pregnant women against this!
@jaysishe is the guilty one. Not him. Why are people blaming everyone but the person o involved these days. It's retarded.
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Not really a Dave Ramsey fan, but if he has a set of guidelines to work at his company, and you don’t agree with them… then why work there? And why be stupid enough to get mad when he fires you for breaking them? Because he called you classless? It’s not exactly classy to get pregnant before you get married.
This generation needs to wake up. You live with the consequences of the choices you make. Own it and move on. Don’t blame others
Pregnancy discrimination is illegal, there you go.
Pregnancy discrimination is illegal, there you go.
@@chriswood9808 no. That’s the point. Rebranding discrimination isn’t going to work
@@chriswood9808 Dave's word isn't law, supposedly this lady got paid since its guideline is against the law. Just like now Biden is working to outlaw non-compete and if it passes and most likely will, almost all major companies have a non-compete and that will make all those null and void
@@alexiswaddle4777 maybe pregnancy discrimination should be legal....single motherhood and feminism are the 2 worlds worst cancers.....single motherhood produces the worlds worst criminals.....strong and independent just as long as that welfare check and child support check are in the mailbox.
Stupid is not a reason to sue someone. He called everyone stupid. Move on if u don’t like him
try call it your president and see what happens :D
@@MrCamel-mb3nd Actually, we can call our president stupid without being prisoned for it. That's what legally "Freedom Of Speech' is.
Not discrimination based on pregnancy. It is discrimination based on premarital sex
Sounds great! Let's go with that!
This is illegal: One cannot be discriminated "based on premarital sex."
@tryingtowalkthepath683One can be discriminated based upon ethnicity, age, sex, or disability. However, one cannot be discriminated "based on premarital sex."
@@jonb3189 Its not discrimination, she signed an employment contract with a moral clause. Its 100% legal and enforceable. She wasn't forced to sign the contract. She signed it knowing fully well the consequences for violating the contract.
@@tony72gut I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt that you can put in an employment contract that you cannot have premarital s-x. That you cannot be divorced. That you cannot be a single mother / father. Nor can you specify to be of a certain religion .... and call this a "moral clause."
Regardless, the courts will decide.
The “controversial” recording of Dave sounds exactly like how he does on his show ha ha, it’s his company he can run it how he wants. His beliefs aren’t exactly a secret.
I think the issue is she heard the recording and was offended. Now she wants to sue
She doesn’t follow biblical principles but wear cross earrings
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Not sure, but Chris probably had to meet some terms of his contracts and book signing obligations. Also Hogan made a video that was emailed to customers, I don’t think she had to make a public statement. Both were handled differently as they held different positions.
@@bluebelle9572 policy is policy no matter what position.
No true. Hogan was also terminated. Remove this lie.
@@Nepthu Terminated after they swept it under the rug for three years and were finally forced to do it to save face during a lawsuit
@@mike-kh8bu whether that's the case or not they don't have to necessarily apply it evenly.... they can apply it as they see fit. Just like speeding is illegal and police pick and choose who to pull over even though they probably saw 100 other people speeding before they chose you...
The worst part is the people working hardest are getting the least remuneration for their efforts and then shamed in the media for not taking more hours, more work despite the poverty wages. 40% of people in work need state support. That’s a reflection of greed not poor work ethics by working people. This is being done by design, by greed.
I agree with you and I believe that the secret to financial stability is having the right investment ideas to enable you earn more money, I don’t know who agrees with me but either way I recommend either real estate and stocks.
I’ve been diligently working, saving and contributing towards early retirement and financial freedom, but since covid outbreak, the economy so far has caused my portfolio to underperform, do I keep contributing to my 401k or look at alternative sectors to meet my goals?
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I would not mind looking up the professional that helped you. I will be retiring in two years and I might need some management on my much larger portfolio. Don't want to take any chances.
*Mr Gary Mason Brooks* a highly respected figure in his field. I suggest delving deeper into his credentials, as he possesses extensive experience and serves as a valuable resource for individuals seeking guidance in navigating the financial market.
States have lots of statutes and Tennessee no doubt does too. The common law doctrine, though, is employment at will. That is, either party can terminate for any reason, or no reason at all.
If you agreed to work there knowing the standards they have for employees, you have no legal standing. Sure, not cool, but don't be mad when people have told you who they are and then prove it to you.
"His biblical principles"???
I didn't know Dave Ramsey wrote a bible🤣
You aren't too bright now are you?
@@brian4180
No no I'm actually quite dark😈
More religious nut bags
@@brian4180 If you actually watched this video you would see that they called it (His biblical principles). They try to make it seem like Dave wrote the bible. Re-watch this video, I'm not sure how you missed it, but they do emphasize that making it seem like Dave owned the bible. Either you aren't too bright or your a bot.
@@vickieclark5931 I watched the video. It's not my fault that you interpreted it like a moron.
Having a boss tell everyone in the company that a certain employee is stupid happens more than you think. We have one annual group meeting where I work and this year the owner announced someone just quit and then he said a few less than positive comments about that person
I worked for a dean of a university who referred to her secretary, assistant secretary and clerical staff as "my slaves", during meetings
Now that is classless!
Dude, the "christian" company I had worked for gossiped and maligned just about every non-family person that left the company. I would never work at a private "christian" company again. Quite frankly, I don't even know what "christian" means anymore as at 5 least different religions claim it, and often the principles are for everybody else...not ownership, family, or management.
Grow up How would like like all ur private talks made public As if I NEVER mad mouth anyone Give me a break
Yeah, but when churches are donating millions of dollars to a Christian company, you can’t defend that company by pointing out that other worldly organizations do the same thing. The church and Christian companies are supposed to be called to a higher level of ethics.
I wonder why the news organization zoomed in on the word classless without allowing us to see any of the context the rest of that quote may have provided 🤔
Me too
Thats what media does. They zoom in like the audio. It does not connect stupid with her.
Probably cuz its worse and that and either way media does that. Doesn't matter what spectrum
Because media companies don't want you to think critically or for yourself. They shape perception. They don't present the truth.
Because the media is very Bias & tell lies
You can look the lawsuit up online. All cases are on each state website
Since she knowingly and freely signed this moral clause that “violates federal law”…does that mean she also violated the law like she’s accusing him of doing?
It’s interesting when you sign up for something, knowing the rules, but then get upset about it when you break those rules.
And anytime you’re terminated or leave the company, their insurance coverage stops ‘almost immediately’. It’s not a corporations responsibility to pay your medical bills once you’re off staff.
An agreement signed willingly doesn't mean it is a violation of Federal law but may mean you are surrendering certain rights you might have under Federal law otherwise. Many people sign away their right to find remedy in court by agreeing to an arbitration clause. Some things like worker classification are pretty tight in that even if the employee and employer agree the employee is an exempt salary or contractors position the law prevents that agreement. Morals clause, arbitration and such agreements are usually not so tight and the parties can enter into such agreements. Unless this lady failed to sign the morals agreement and Dave specifically named her and committed character defamation I doubt she has much of a case. It is highly unlikely either of those two conditions existed.
It is completely legal to have these kinds of moral clauses. Many religious schools require this of their teachers. For instance, the diocese in my area have in their standard teacher contracts for the schools that sexual activity outside of marriage, pregnancy from artificial means (ie.: IVF, artificial insemination, donor eggs etc), nonmedical cannabis use (as in its prescribed for an actual serious condition), a few other things, are contrary to Catholic teachings and grounds for termination
News: "This just in. Women fired from Christian job cause she wasn't acting like a Christian"
Viewers: ..."and?"
Imagine if it was reverse.
“Fired for being a Christian” would explode the internet
@@Gumby6583 if it’s a private company, no problem.
@@johnbobbillyshow1433 so if a private company would hire people for being Muslim or gay that would be okay? Or would the labor board intervene?? Same difference
@@Gumby6583 Up to the company. they look at expertise. Hiring someone just because they are gay, Asian, black, white, doesn't mean they know, understand or can do the job. Companies hire based on what they need not what other people want. Its a private company, they can do whatever they want.
@@techdiyer5290 so if I have a “private company” I can do whatever I want? I can just dump toxins anywhere? I can abuse my workers? Is that what you are saying???
0:11 “she was pregnant and not married”. Full stop right there! Dave Ramsey’s company and he sets the rules.
being pregnant, over 40, disabled etc are protected under federal law.
He talks to EVERYONE this way! Callers, on stage, every one. She isn't special. This is what makes him Dave. The firing isn't because she pregnant, it's because she isn't married. If she were married, and pregnant she wouldn't be on thus situation
If she signed an agreement and cashed the pay checks, she made a choice. While I do not agree with the moral expectations of the company, she made a choice so she needs to own it.
Dave Ramsey runs a Christian financial advice company. He has the right to demand of his employees a certain standard of ethical and moral behaviour. It is a private company.
She went to work for someone she knew was like this but is angry because now she’s been impacted
Yes, it's his problem and he must deal with it
A private business owner is running their business the way that they want and the way they said they would. What’s the issue again ?
how would that work with race? gender and religion?> .... literally agianst federal laws..
Again: the issue is that they fired a poor pregnant woman, and yet let Ramsey's friend stay there after multiple affairs. The woman married her fiance, and Ramsey's friend's wife divorced him. You can't make separate rules for men and women. AGAIN, that's the problem.
Issues is the law he's supposed to obey.
He lied to people and scammed and robbed people. He did an illegal thing by not letting people know he was being paid $450,000 a month even as thousands wrote to him and complained. And although he broke civil laws, he broke the laws of God for cheating and scamming people. Karma has come back to him. Dave Ramsey was seduced by power-over and sold his soul to the devil. He hurt people in the name of God
Then don’t sign a morals clause and work somewhere else.
come on now. you knew that before working for the company.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
@@Vandicouponly federal law because they want to either tax the baby or harvest it for stem cell research lol
No one is forcing you to work there homegirl!
Personally I don't agree with the policy but come on its not the company wasn't up front about it she still made the decision to work there anyway weather the policy is right or wrong she knew what she was getting into so that's on her
Its also obvious you don't understand the constitution or civil rights laws either.
@@jeffsmith9420 says the guy who just makes a blatant statement without quoting a single law or policy
He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
@@genghiscan2918 that's only partly true they actually settled. However all of the articles on it are very vague. But one thing I can say with certainty is that when you sue a company work 2 to 3 hundred million dollars (the main building alone is worth more than 80 million) and you only get 76k through a settlement and not a ruling, that is a petty strong indicator that you didn't exactly have the strongest case but it's just simply not worth the hassle to deal with and its cheaper to just settle than investing the money in legal costs it would take to win. Idk if that's really the case but it's just kinda sus.
@@jeffsmith9420 You mean the Constitution that says this?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
She is classless. Trouble waiting to happen. Dave's only error was not vetting her during the hiring process.
Better than I desrve.....Derrrrrr duh uhuh. Dave's a douche and a coward.
Am I the only one stuck on Dave talking about biblical principals yet cursing in front of his employees? Love this comment by another reader! Ha!!!!
@chrislandreman8537
The word ass is used in the Bible to refer to a donkey. Incidentally, I think your an ass.
His business his rules
So would it be ok if I fired every person in my company who was a registered republican voter because I only employ democrats? How about if I fired every Christian because they didn't fit in with my company culture? What if I chose to fire every man because I only employ women? What If I refused service to straight couples because I only work for gay couples? What would you say if I refused service to white people and served people of color? I honestly want your thoughts on this.
Thank you his business his rules
@@BigNameJamesStuff your business your rules. Plenty of other job out there. Good vs Evil people have free will to choose
@@BigNameJamesStuff I am a Libertarian. I would fully support a world in which everyone can do what they want with there business. I 💯 percent think that would be ok. But unfortunately due to affirmative action as well as many other things that is not currently the world we live in. The racist and sexist companies like the ones you named above or companies that only hired men and whites would naturally go out of business over a short time or at least you would know if you were supporting POS owners.
@@j.samuel9646 Yes sir!!!
I deeply question this woman a lot. I could be wrong, but something is definitely off about her.
She needs to take the payout and move on. Her attorney does not have the bank account to engage this suit for very long, Dave does.
Why dont you question Dave ?
@@Bugsy0333 That would require a subpoena and deposition.
@@melissadial8943 This is a nuisance lawsuit, nothing more. She messed up engaging an attorney, he/she will take half of any payout.
@@alinatamashevich3354 Why are you so quick to jump to conclusions?
The company said that it "does not maintain an exhaustive list of conduct that can lead to employee discipline because it is neither practical nor required,” but over time "specific rules have developed" to address employee conduct.
"One is that Defendant does not allow employees to engage in premarital sex,” the company said.
So, it's kind of like working at a bank where you sign an agreement stating you will be fired for stealing money then when you steal money you get fired? So you sue the bank.?
And say it's grossly inappropriate that the management called you a thief in front of your colleagues 🤷🏾♀️.
Yep, she was stupid!
Except she didn’t steal anything and this is the dumbest analogy I’ve ever heard to equate a person’s personal decisions with committing a crime.
@@GideonHawk-j8i choosing to steal money is a personal decision.
Marry before you carry. Stop marrying the government.
If the government stoped it's enabling our moral climate would probably improve for sure !
It’s Dave Ramsey company they can do whatever they want that’s why their a contact. You don’t have to work their no one is obligating you work their
*Ramsey's *there's *there *there Besides that, you cant just run a company however you want because its your company. We live in a country with laws and ETHICS
@@sillybirdy1994 The same was true with the vax mandate. The companies that instituted that requirement and fired people who refused should be sued.
Ok Michael i do not like the way you look today you are fired. Best of luck
@@Bugsy0333 they why hire me in first place dip shit
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
People need to cut it out. You don't get to discriminate against people because they are pregnant. As for being a listener of his, once you figure out who he is, its on you whether you continue to listen.
She wasn't discriminated against for being pregnant. She was let go because she failed to abide by the contract she signed.
@@atmos4197 those contracts rarely hold up in court. That's why Disney lost so many cases. Stop supporting garbage people
@@woundedangel good lord, step away from the keyboard. I'm just stating a fact, not supporting anyone. Quite the judgy one I see...wow.
@@woundedangelshe lost because it’s obvious she was looking for a payday and revenge against Ramsey who she dislikes personally
It’s a Private Company. Manage and operate it the way you want.
So private companies get to do whatever they want? That's a luxury private citizens don't get.... why do we make exceptions for them?
Why do these women go work for a group of people they know operate a certain way and then years late sue them after being on their payroll? Why not just don't work for such organizations?
Because Christian businesses will sometime look over morals for profits...be honest. Plenty of them talk out both sides of their mouths.
@@jacklong7048 If you are referring to the businesses, it’s hard to judge morals during the hiring process. Which candidate ever says they are not moral?
Come on now. Money.
why would you work there if you dont agree to the culture?
How come Chris Hogan continued to be employed by Ramsey even after it was disclosed he had committed adultery and had banged employees of Ramsey? Because he was black and they had a quota? Because he was a draw on the radio show? Tell us, Oh Wise One.
The bigger question is why do I need to share private details of my life with my employer?
Why does a boss want to know what his employee do in their spare time... also... how would they know
@@firefly9838 she probably mentioned it to him
@@vitawater4259you don't need to/have to share your private details but if you get pregnant out of wedlock, well 🤷🏾♀️.
I went to schools where getting pregnant out of wedlock would get you kicked out and/or you'd lose your scholarship. If you can't abide by the high moral conduct, then go elsewhere. It's as simple as that.
Sounds more like a hit piece brought to you by the time share industry..... they have lots of friends in low places
Really?
WTH? No. Lol
So funny! 😂 And it wouldn't surprise me, either! 😂
lol
He rags on credit cards and banks too. They are 1000x the size of the timeshare industry
good one. LOL.
She already knew who she was going to work for, but took the job anyway with the mentality of “I don’t care”...
/Life Coaches, pay attention.
And to finish it off, it was a coworker she got pregnant by 🤦🏽♂️ if she’s an AA there definitely a big no no. Companies don’t like higher ups hooking up with hourly employees, what made her special???
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
I love Dave Ramsey and his company!
The basis of his business is biblical teaching on life and finances. He falls more in the category of missions. It’s no surprise he would have tight rules on employee conduct at work and outside work. You directly represent the company you work for to others in the world around you. It’s very similar to working for a retailer or service business and badmouthing it publicly outside work hours.
Name a missionary that's worth $200M.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
Firing someone for sex before marriage is hardly a detriment to anyone's place of work. It's not immoral, it's discrimination. And we have actual US Labor laws to protect against that, FYI...
Biblical teaching includes FORGIVENESS. Many "good church people" are GUILTY of fueling the abortion industry through LACK OF COMPASSION.
His teachings on money are not biblical. They are mostly helpful reasonable, but they could as well be recommended by an atheist. He himself is a Christian and he sells his courses via the churches. Plus he is a control freak.
Dave is principled. He didn’t do anything wrong. If you don’t like his company rules, you will be happier somewhere else. Are you hoping for a big financial payout? It sure sounds like it.
Ramsey gets his ass handed to him in court and the woman walks away with millions. In the meantime, his stupidity destroys his public image. Women 1 Christian hypocrites 0.
Do you think what he did was loving? DO you think Jesus would have canceled her insurance and fired her?
@@lizrivera389 she got a years worth of wages, a severance pay on top of her final wages that she was already owed
These are not secret recordings. He says this on his podcast. Media trying to twist this and make her a victim. He calls himself stupid when he does stupid things. It’s not “his” biblical values, it’s biblical values. People acting like their feelings are hurt so they can sue. It is classless AND stupid.
Don't work for someone who's values aren't yours! Dave is very open about his faith and values. His company is based on this! Why is she surprised?
He wants certain people working for him, it is what it is. Why was she terrified about losing her job? She knew 100% that is why. This is not surprising based on things he has said on his show.
This is exactly WHY there are so many abortions. She could have secretively aborted the baby and kept her job. Jesus stooped and wrote in the sand... probably the 10 commandments some scholars say?
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Because she's a typical, narcissistic whamin who thinks she's special and different.
Blahhhh blahblah ............blah blah blah blah blah.......Blah blah............Blah blah blah.
@@chrislandreman8537 Thank you so much for you erudite contribution.
0:32 - HIS biblical principles? Christianity belongs to Dave?
Because Dave, like most Christians, cherry picks what's good and tosses the rest. So yes, his biblical principles. Really not as hard to understand as you're making it seem.
@@johndoe-ii1ko - I'm unaware of adultery being acceptable in any sect of Christianity? I'm guessing he should abandon this core belief simply bc he eats pork? Oh brother!
@@MikeThePike316 what about slavery, not eating shellfish, or wearing certain fabrics as described and promoted in the bible? Think Dave cares about those principles?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Again cherry pick what is cute and fuzzy, but ignore the dumb and ignorant parts. Cool, I'm sure God likes his book being watered down to what makes you tickle on the inside.
@@johndoe-ii1ko - So, you're cherry picking the Bible by focusing on the old testament? Kind of a weak argument considering that most of Christianity follows the new testament and abide by the ten commandments. Your gripe is with Christianity, not Dave for being a believer/follower.
@@MikeThePike316 Matthew 5:18
How can any company dictate how you will live your life? Sounds like a page out of the Scientology playbook.
@@wickedbigpuffeduphai Wow!
His job is calling peaple stupid tho
it's in her contract, she just didn't bother to read it. she wants the company to condone her personal decisions that clearly don't align with the company's core values.
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She got with a MARRIED male employee!!! A RADIO HOST!!! She had it coming, so did he.
Ah, is he the person who was not terminated until after she sued? Double standard there.
Yes if he worked for Dave Ramsay. Or he should have gotten the same treatment.
So is Dave going to stone the harlot for being pregnant and unmarried? That's Biblical
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
Strangely enough, Dave Ramsey is correct! It IS morally wrong to be having sex out of wedlock.
I beg to differ, but even if I agreed I would also say it is morally wrong to fire someone who is pregnant
@@marta150does this principle mean that every pregnant woman is entitled to a job? From whomever she desires? Honestly…
@@DixieLane304 I didn’t say that. She already had a job and was fired
@@marta150 yes, I know. But you believe that her pregnancy should’ve prevented the firing?
@@DixieLane304 I find it immoral
You made a contract. You broke it. End of story
Oh brother
@@isabelamogosanu7777 Is he wrong? lol
@@VinodhBallout6711 - this guy stinks!
@@isabelamogosanu7777 who stinks?
It's a creepy contract though.
If we had more Dave Ramsey’s in the world it would be a much better place. Not wanting to have employees engaging in unhealthy, risky behavior makes it a cult? 🤨
So now a private company may no longer require how their employees behave?
or have orgasms. Heaven forbid someone has an orgasm.
Happy to work in a country with workers‘ rights. If my boss ever attempted to interfere with my private life, I‘d show him the door.
You can't have premaritial sex or be pregnant and unmarried, but you can use profanity (cause that's what he did in his rant to his employees)? What a hipocrite!!!!
Using profanity is not bad as having a child out of wedlock. It's fornication. Besides, she signed a contract.
@@emor1884 You are misquoting and misinterpreting the bible verse. And, aren't you judging all the Christians saying, "Christians don't read the bible "? Correct yourself!
Lol ... so profanity is a sin now? If stupidity is a sin get ready for some eternal heat dummy.
@@emor1884The fact I said that you misquoted the verse prove your point" you said? The issue is that you don't have a point. No, You can't misquote and misinterpret the bible verses. If you want to mention book, chapter and verses, make sure you quote it correctly. Didn't they teach you in school? Besides, it says in the bible, don't add or delete of the Gods word, the bible. We all know "love your neighbor as thyself ". That has nothing to do with this topic. The woman who got pregnant out of wedlock knew what she singed up for. She signed a contract and violated the contract. Thus, it calls for a termination of her job as it says in the agreement that she signed . She wasn't fired because she was pregnant. She was fired because she violated the agreement. You keep saying, "you Christians " and generalizing everyone shows your immaturity. You can't violate the contract and expect to keep the job. From the way you keep saying "you Christians " over and over makes me think it's very possible that you are a Muslim. Also, from the way you misquoted the bible makes me think that. Seems like you have hatred for Christians.
@@emor1884 "stop thinking you will be burning in hell when you die", you said? How do you even know I believe such? You are just assuming thing which makes you look ignorant. Yes, I justify this man's behavior for firing her because she violated the contract. "Love your brother as yourself " . This doesn't mean that you don't punish someone who commits a crime right? You don't let people get away with things because " love your brother as yourself ". You are mixing things up. God punished people for their wickedness. For instance, sodom and Gomorrah. Does this mean he doesn't love us? Absolutely not! She wasn't fired because of "pregnancy ", she was fired because she violated the agreement she signed , knowingly.
Every company I ever worked for had a code of conduct. Most included a statement to the effect of employees were subject to disciplinary action up to and including employment termination if your actions brought the company into ill repute. By accepting employment, you were subject to the code of conduct which was shared before accepting the job offer. I also don’t trust the reporting. How can we be sure that what he was saying on the stage was specifically about her situation. Could have been a general comment about behavior of those employed by the organization. Might have been, but this seems to have been purposely edited to make it seem to be about her. Wouldn’t be the first case of deceptive editing.
Code of conduct can’t break federal laws dummy
I would say firing a pregnant employee and immediately canceling her insurance brings ill repute upon DR.
Did she sign something as condition of employment?
Even if it is in condition of employment. Is it lawful? Can you dismiss someone because they are pregnant in America? Should employment condition be abide by the law?
@Prey R i think thats what happened too. As a christian company if they dont hold people accountable, they arent representing a christian company. Maybe they were willing to give her another chance, but the fact that she didnt see her past choice as problamatic working for a christian company is where they couldnt keep her on. Its one thing to make a mistake, but not owning up to it when you know it breached the core values is another as well.
The No Orgasm Ramsey Clause.
@@eckankar7756 you can by yourself and you can if you're married.
@@redclayscholar620 ...what if you are married to a partner of the same sex??? Think 'marriage' will slide easily over the Ramsey human resource department unnoticed to gay married persons?
She says they didnt speak specifically about the no sex policy but was afraid to talk to HR because she was afraid she would get fired.
That organization is very clear on the morality they expect from employees. She wasnt fired for being pregnant., she was fired for not complying with the morality expected of employees.
Dig deeper, she is not the only person who has been fired, just the first to stand up to him. She was fired for premarital sex not pregnancy. If so how do they monitor the sexual activities of the employees? We will see how this plays out. There is a YT video that covers legality and he did not handle a male employee in the same way.
Probably because firing for pregnancy is against federal law apparently whereas firing for stepping out of the moral code agreement might not be illegal. If she is naturally pregnant (not in vitro) and is not married, then the pregnancy proves she had premarital sex.
@@powers6253 Did she say how she got pregnant? What if she was raped? There is no law that says a woman must go to Police. It is difficult to prove date rape, and not every woman wants to go to court.
@@powers6253 But apparently the 'Virgin' Mary didnt have premarital sex. LOL
The company provided documentation that substantiated that several other employees also admitted to, or were discovered to violating this exact same rule, and every single one was also terminated; Add most of them were men
@@chetmyers7041 if that was the case, then it doesn’t make sense why she wouldn’t tell HR that’s what happened; she wouldn’t be telling HR in the media in the world that The father of the child was her boyfriend who she’s still with, and she never alleged He forced her in any way.
Dave… gotta admire him for his financial advice but his views and ethics and his ego are a big turn off.
I know, right? Morality...yuk.
The company is very clear on what they are. They do not hide what they are. So when a person is seeking a job there it is not a surprise to them.
So how did the person not know what the company was about?
Good! Stop fornicating. And she should have known better before working there.
That is Dave Ramsey's problem he can't handle when someone has a different views I don't understand what her personal life has to do with work
I'm so glad she decline their offer. She's gonna get so much more from her suit than any offer they'd ever purpose. I can't even say Jesus would condone this. Not very Christian of Ramsey. Peace out Pharisee
Jesus would purposefully tell outrageous things to his disciples so they would leave if they were not 100% loyal to him. Like telling them they would have to eat his body and drink his blood (no context) if they truly wanted to follow him. Don't assume you know what he'd do without first reading his words.
Lmfao she lost. The case was dismissed
The fact that Dave Ramsey doesn’t act Christian (or Christ-like) himself is what has me laughing. He’s holding people accountable for not following biblical standards when he doesn’t follow them in how he addresses to his employees or anyone in general. His “religion” is in vain (taking Christ’s name in vain too for calling himself Christian) because it is a dogma to him- not an experience. It’s obvious by his character that his Christianity is based on a theory of God- not a relationship.
While also being in obvious breach of your contract, you’re also broadcasting to potential future employers you’re not worth the PR headache in hiring. some people are just what people say about them…dumb!
Just when she needed insurance the most, they cancelled it. That does not sound Christ-like to me.
"Don't let the door hit you in the ass." Just like Jesus would say.
Well he can't fire you for owning slaves, since that is not a Biblical Principle.
No, but the Feds will come calling pretty quickly!
I'm glad that someone still had moral standards.
And its Ramsey?
so you'd rather they abort the baby so she wouldn't be a mother out of wedlock?
@@jessem4659 What a stupid assumption. I'd rather she didn't behave like a hedonistic baboon and engage in risky, mindless behavior.
Yes, glad people like this wonderful lady exist and Dave should have to pay her a nice settlement!!! Coward solutions where we F people up the A daily and don't expect Karma to ever get us, how can I help you!
@@jessem4659 Seriously? What an incredibly obtuse statement.
It's "HIS" company. Not "hers." Why doesn't SHE create her own company and hire who SHE wants to. While SHE is working for HIM, you have to conform to HIS company's policies! Get over it lady!
Sounds like she wants the company to pay for her medical bills.
“His biblical principles” 😂😂. They aren’t “his”
Is it not his principal? Its what he believes in
They ARE HIS principles as an individual believes in his own individual thoughts. You misunderstood the context is all.
People keep repeating the same nonsense… if they said “his principles”, would you also say “pRiNcIpLeS aReN’t HiS” 🥴🥴🥴
@@rmercedes971 - no. Semantics lead to confusion. Its the LITERAL phrase - Its not the same meaning.
@@shill1444 No it’s not. You’d have to be pretty dense to not understand they meant his principles are based on the Bible, either that or just like trolling.
People know what they're getting into when they get a job there. With that said I do think people of faith should take a different approach when dealing with these situations. A private school in my area is known to kick girls out who get pregnant. If we want to see the practice of abortion phased out then we need to act like it. What do we think leaving a young girl educationless or jobless is going to do to her decision making when it comes to the choice of ending the pregnancy.
Yeah but his company is not considered a non profit or a faith based organization, he could make it that if he wanted to. He has no legal right to terminate people because of premarital sex, he runs a for-profit corporation.
So you are saying a junior high or high school full of pregnant girls is a good thing. Pro life and good morals go hand in hand.
That's exactly why the anti-abortion movement/"right to life" movement is nothing but hypocrisy and careless, reckless behavior towards women and minorities. If they won't stand up and openly discuss and campaign for Sex ED, financial support for broke mothers, food stamps, counseling, better insurance, better medical care, better and more accessible food and care for their children and families, etc, etc, then they never cared about the babies and their families. They are all only about control, tyranny and oppression. That's all.
That's why abortion matters so much. It gives all of these women in hard times a way to bounce back, a way to course-correct their broken, oppressed lives. To move onto bigger and better without the burden and hardship of a forced pregnancy, brought down on them due to an intentional ignorance of proper and safe sex and education by our system. It gives women more options. It's health care. This is an extremely personal decision that is meant only between a woman, her doctor and her family. Not the government. The government slows things down, the government ruins everything.
@@Vandicoup they got themselves into their situation and how many are happily fulfilled aborters? Would it be great if a dad didn’t want kids so he could take a hammer to their heads? If yes then I get your point. Why should a man be oppressed by a woman to take care of a child he does not want? Hypocrite
The way this intro is framed is hilarious.
Apparently every millionaire
is also "A Financial Guru"🤣
Pretty sure Dave Ramsey is the definition of a financial guru...
Calling him 'guru' helps their case/narrative; that's it.
@@2sumu How so?
Pretty sure Dave is a complete conman. Do what he says and see where it gets you!!! LOL Yeah ummm I didn't invest for 20 years and lived on beans and ryyyce so I could pay off my house. What?? I could have invested and I'd be up another 375,000??? Huh??? I mean ummm I don't I don't have umm. Butit's ok the walls of your house are made of steaks and sausage right. Just eat that!! Hang on someone's calling from my yacht that I got by conning all of you!!! :) :) :)@@Gibb591
She not even worth a premarital affair!...lol😎
Is this the woman Chris Hogan slept with and got pregnant?
That's what I was thinking. Most likely
Hogan was fired, so why shouldn't she be fired?
I agree she knew the rules. People are money hungry.
WAAA she got call a name
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
Even though I feel that a person's personal business is no one's business, when you apply for a position at a company that have rules about your personal life and accept the position then you agree to the rules. Like it or not, it's a contract! She broke the contract. She's just being a crybaby now.
Abortion mills thank you and Dave, I'm sure. Some sins are more obvious than others. Can we detect and punish lust? Greed? Covetousness? Christians should HELP unwed mothers not make it difficult to keep and raise their baby.
SMH.
@tryingtowalkthepath683 How do you know anything about her circumstances? My point is...if you want abortion to cease, then help women when they need help. Certainly, don't fire them!
@tryingtowalkthepath683 How do you know she wasn't raped? It happens. Even with a Christian man whom you TRUST. The Christian response to a single pregnant woman should be compassion. Not causing her to lose her means of employment. If Christians do not step up and embrace the life God is growing inside this woman, then EXPECT the abortion industry to continue. And, sorry, although I love Dave, I think he is an absolute bonehead for firing this young lady. Jesus is not kicking her out of the church, right?!?
I'm happy for Caitlin O'connor, because she apparently had a baby. Congratulations Caitlin, and I hope everything is going well. Awesome! But it's concerning that Ramsey apparently saying "classless" broke your soul. Is that just lawsuit talk? It's hard to believe you're serious. It's not like Ramsey didn't make his beliefs clear... right? You shouldn't be surprised, and don't forget he's entitled to his opinions.