Funny I agree. However that is one thing that I really like about the Dave Ramsey Show. People call and give specific number about their financial situations. If they don't give those numbers, Dave will ask. No harm, it's all anonymous.
I admit,Dave is very outspoken,however,asyou said,Dave calls a number of people stupid.ive was raised in a church that YOU'D better do what they said or else: they didnt teach or believe in compassion: i will say Dave should have gotten some sort aid or help for the young woman instead of it hitting the media,very bad press.i dont know all the facts though: i can relate in a way because of how i was reared in the church.
That doesn't make it right. I watch Dave's show and follow his financial advice but I cringe every time he calls someone stupid. It's not okay and that is actually "classless". People get desensitized by people's celebrity status. It's wrong for Dave to do it just as it is for anyone else. He fires her for her sin but turns around and sins by cussing. His firing her and canceling her insurance is just as bad as her having pre marital sex. The hypocrisy is incredible. He's gonna lose this one.
You're projecting your own bias into the situation. You weren't raised in "the church." You were raised by people, who are sinners. Your one congregation may not have been doing it right. But if you read the bible, all kinds of congregations had their own problems. This is nothing new. You're literally blaming God for the actions of people in your one congregation. Doesn't sound very compassionate to me, but it does sound hypocritical. I would invite you to try again. You can always go back to Christ as long as you draw breath. @@victortaylor7737
Well he certainly isn't commanding that his employees abstain from eating shell fish or, I don't know, own slaves. He's cherry picking parts of the Bible that oppress women.
@@EDUAROSOLAS If he is Christian, then...... yeah, big surprise, I guess we would expect him not to promote expired ancient Hebrew/Jewish customs. If you're re-defining "oppressed" to mean "agitated by responsibility", I would imagine there are women experiencing real oppression all over this world who would quickly trade it for some of this phoney oppression.
@@44fastgun wait, so youre going to dismiss the the old testament commandments as if God hmself didnt speciically command them hmself? When do you think god became more moral than his behavior in the OT? Keep in mind that according to Christians, Jesus himself commanded the atrocities and disgusting law in the OT, because he is the creator god.
@@EDUAROSOLAS You didn't hear me dismiss anything. The Old testament laws were valid and established to prepare for the Messiah, whose presence would begin a new covenant. The OT itself foretells the expiration of that dispensation (Jeremiah 31: 31-34, Ezekiel 36: 24-28). I do not see where God was any less Holy than He's always been. The only real OT atrocity I see is wicked human beings rebelling and despising their creator after He revealed to them their best path to eternal existence. If you are trying to suggest slavery as "God's huge mistake", then you would be the one guilty of dismissing the OT. The whole system reveals itself in Exodus to resemble what in modern times is called indentured servanthood; it was a voluntary, temporary path to land-ownership for the poor, with strict laws against abuse, and provisions for voluntary permanence due to many servants developing favorable relationships with their employer. Compare that to the secular welfare disaster of today that panders to poor folks until election day, gives little incentive to work,, then leaves them with a mere grocery check for the rest of their lives. I think you got the OT confused with the humanisticly-developed secular Euro-colonial slavery system, which was involuntary, abusive, and violated every precept that was the OT social structure.
Agreed, sometimes 'cultural Catholics' or 'cafeteria Catholics' they moan about their church's teachings, but then work at a Catholic school, or work for the church and then moan about a moral teaching of theirs, it's crazy, have personal integrity.
@@michellea9857 lol I’m going to acquaint you with a saying I like. “Religion is like a dick, it’s cool that you have one, just don’t go shoving down peoples throats without asking”
She didnt get kicked out a church group. She got terminated from her career.. Its illegal and Ramsey already had to pay out a lesbian he fired before this.
@@Gmac_Greg_M Moral clauses are totally legal and enforceable. If you sign on to one you are accountable to it. its typically part of an employment a contract.
They didn't terminate her because she got pregnant. She was fired for having pre-marital sex. I've interviewed for Ramsey's company and they are very clear at the beginning what their expectations for employees are. I personally had issues with it and chose not to work there. This lady could have done the same.
Except he’s not. His right-hand man, Chris Hogan, was having an affair for years and Dave was helping cover it up until that got outed and he had to let Chris go because of this whole debacle
@@bmjr96 I've never understood why employees think we're supposed to discuss other people's HR or personal issues in the open. Several types of therapy are offered through Employee Assistance Programs (EAP) with the promise of confidentiality. Once that employee takes it public, however, those in charge may speak on it publicly. Until then, I really don't think anyone wants there problems discussed with other employees or the public.
Hogan got fired only AFTER his wife pushed Dave who stood still defending Hogan so she went public, not when Dave found out about his infidelities. Why is it different for a Ramsey male star and not a junior female employee?
It doesn't qualify as a cult. Having a code of conduct set or moral principles is not a cult. You can disagree with the principles but it is not a cult.
The “controversial” recording of Dave sounds exactly like how he does on his show ha ha, it’s his company he can run it how he wants. His beliefs aren’t exactly a secret.
Girl, this is literally in his contract. If he fired Chris Hogan for infidelity, what makes you think he wasn’t going to stick to the other principles outlined within the signed document? Go ahead and try to sue😂
Ramsey is so hard headed that he refuses to change his teachings even when it's been shown multiple times he can't do math. So the likelihood of him changing a stupid policy he has is pretty slim. The man's a half-wit charlatan but he will stick to his own backwards rules any day of the week.
Only that it was found out that Dave was covering up Chris' infidelity at first. He only fired him when it went public and they were receiving heat for it.
@@luisa1473 I thought they fired him, Chris hogan came out with a vague post, and THEN his wife outted them for waiting until after his book tour and forcing them into marriage counseling afterward? But yes I hate the way they handled it because if his wife would’ve stayed this would’ve been kept under wraps and they never would’ve fired him, which is idiotic
@@luisa1473 They sent Chris through counseling but the moment it was brought to his attention Dave put him on leave. Chris's wife expressly stated that.
I mean I think it’s a dumb policy. But Dave Ramsey calls people stupid on the air everyday, it’s part of the way he talks. You knew that. And you knew the policy and i guarantee you signed something saying you understood it.
@@Convexhull210 I was referring to Christianity, which Dave Ramsey claims to be, that states "Thou shall not judge, or you to shall be judge." - Matthew 7
@@johnbobbillyshow1433 so if a private company would hire people for being Muslim or gay that would be okay? Or would the labor board intervene?? Same difference
@@Gumby6583 Up to the company. they look at expertise. Hiring someone just because they are gay, Asian, black, white, doesn't mean they know, understand or can do the job. Companies hire based on what they need not what other people want. Its a private company, they can do whatever they want.
@@techdiyer5290 so if I have a “private company” I can do whatever I want? I can just dump toxins anywhere? I can abuse my workers? Is that what you are saying???
Actually an employer cannot make they're own rules, they must follow federal law with regard to employment discrimination based on sex, sexual orientation, marital and familial status, disability and other things.
Right, so if an employer decides all female employees must show up to work naked, they aren't violating any laws. Great logic there, cowboy. There's a reason we have workplace rules, regs, and guidelines so people like you can't make their own stupid ones.
@@brian4180 If you actually watched this video you would see that they called it (His biblical principles). They try to make it seem like Dave wrote the bible. Re-watch this video, I'm not sure how you missed it, but they do emphasize that making it seem like Dave owned the bible. Either you aren't too bright or your a bot.
@@tryingtowalkthepath683One can be discriminated based upon ethnicity, age, sex, or disability. However, one cannot be discriminated "based on premarital sex."
States have lots of statutes and Tennessee no doubt does too. The common law doctrine, though, is employment at will. That is, either party can terminate for any reason, or no reason at all.
FACTS! I was thinking, perplexedly so, the very same thing! He has a double tongue or is himself a double edged sword! How does that speech work with biblical principles?
It's ok. One day he will die and cease to exist, just like the rest of the world's arrogant pricks, and everybody else. There is literally nothing to be afraid of and I find that comforting.
@@rehn4529 Society created cigarettes,abortion and many other vile things not specifically spoken of in the Bible also,but it doesn't mean that if you do them then speak GOD/or Christianity in the same breath you're not hypocritical! Bible principles don't have to be misdeed specific for you to not do it! It only has to apply, and I suppose you can only do that if you have some decent sort of Bible trained conscience! Bible Principles that may relate: James 3:5-11,Colossians 3:8,1Corinthians 10:23. Dummy? SMH
She signed an employment contract, violated that contract and was fired. She wasn't discriminated against for pregnancy, she was fired for violation of the morals clause in her employment contract. Same thing happened to Chris Hogan. Dave Ramsey calls his entire audience stupid, his callers stupid, and himself stupid on a regular basis. You don't go work for an extremely stringent religious company unless you agree with and will abide by their rules. Playing dumb doesn't help your case... just makes you look stupid.
And how pathetic do you look for defending your dear friend Dave for wanting to control an employee while she is away from work. Who watches over Dave when he is away fron work? Ready for the big response ? Here it is.___________________________________________________________________ No one.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
@@Vandicoup She wasn't fired for getting pregnant. They just found out she violated the morality clause because in order to get pregnant, she had to have violated the morality clause.
@@Bugsy0333 "wanting to control an employee while she is away from work" Companies do this all the time. Lots of employees are fired when their social media posts and other conduct is not consistent with the companies values. The liberals are huge into cancelling people and getting them fired for conduct outside of work.
How come Chris Hogan continued to be employed by Ramsey even after it was disclosed he had committed adultery and had banged employees of Ramsey? Because he was black and they had a quota? Because he was a draw on the radio show? Tell us, Oh Wise One.
I feel bad for the lady, and yet it is no secret that Dave Ramsey owns a particular brand that he is inherently obligated to protect; not just for him but all of his employees as well. If you don't practice what you preach, literally, your credibility can be called into question and devalue what you stand for.
I don't think Dave Ramsey is following biblical principles when he fires a woman and cuts off her insurance at the most vulnerable time of her life. We don't even know if the father is going to stand by her and the child. Speaking of the child, he or she is completely innocent, and Dave just made it much more likely that the child will be born into poverty.
@@jaysilver9193 He also fired one of his co-hosts for the same thing. She also isn't the only employee there. He might be trying to look out for his other employees. Frankly it is his business. But you could hire her if you feel so inclined.
@@jaysilver9193 Nobody cares what you speculate about what could be. Ramsey is looking out for the integrity of his business. You have no idea what went down and what went into the decisions
Thats her personal life, a company has no business in that. If shes a good employee should be their only concern. Dave Ramsey does give some good advice on other topics. I hope she does win her lawsuit.
As an employer, you're bound by certain laws regardless of whether you're a private company or publicly held company. Like it or not, and illegal firing is an illegal firing. I think he's going to lose this case. Besides, doesn't Jesus preach that we should turn the other cheek? The whole point of the New Testament was about forgiveness, so she's even got a good argument using Dave's own religious principles. Matthew 18:21-22 21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" 22Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
@@DrKnowsMoresure he can forgive her. But that doesn’t mean he has to continue keeping her on the payroll. Forgiveness and consequences for your actions are two separate things.
So, let me get this straight. She knew who she was working for and was surprised and broken when he acted n the way he is publicly known to be? I guess accountability is a one way street.
I'm not in favor of government saying who anyone has to hire, and who they cannot fire. It's not a "free country" if government has this kind of control, even if for a good cause.
People outside the faith simply do not understand. Christians believe that sex outside of marriage is a sinful lifestyle choice. Anyone who listens to his show for 5 minutes would pick up on his views. Why anyone would work for a company which they fundamentally disagree with boggles me.
@@JOHN-cx6kn - Obviously you know virtually nothing about the show or Dave Ramsey. For crying out loud, they have a "Bible verse of the day" at the end of each show.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Not sure, but Chris probably had to meet some terms of his contracts and book signing obligations. Also Hogan made a video that was emailed to customers, I don’t think she had to make a public statement. Both were handled differently as they held different positions.
@@mike-kh8bu whether that's the case or not they don't have to necessarily apply it evenly.... they can apply it as they see fit. Just like speeding is illegal and police pick and choose who to pull over even though they probably saw 100 other people speeding before they chose you...
Having a boss tell everyone in the company that a certain employee is stupid happens more than you think. We have one annual group meeting where I work and this year the owner announced someone just quit and then he said a few less than positive comments about that person
Dude, the "christian" company I had worked for gossiped and maligned just about every non-family person that left the company. I would never work at a private "christian" company again. Quite frankly, I don't even know what "christian" means anymore as at 5 least different religions claim it, and often the principles are for everybody else...not ownership, family, or management.
Yeah, but when churches are donating millions of dollars to a Christian company, you can’t defend that company by pointing out that other worldly organizations do the same thing. The church and Christian companies are supposed to be called to a higher level of ethics.
Aww, somebody called her "stupid" and even "classless" what a tragedy. Well she is probably both. Oh no. She will now sue me. If you have your own company you should be able to close your business on Sundays if you choose and also be able to hold your employees to a desired standard as long as it is clear and stated ahead of time. I bet she accepted the standards and now she wants to change the rules to suit her needs.
Views and laws are different. Federally it’s illegal to terminate a job due to pregnancy. That’s why they wanted her to sign a NDA so they can pay her out and keep her mouth closed
@@MikeThePike316 'Umm'... Chris went much later. The female employee was fired, Chris agreed to go through marriage counselling with his wife and was kept in employment for quite a while, until it became clear that the woman had a massive legal claim given that she was fired and he wasn't, at which point he was finally let go.
Not really a Dave Ramsey fan, but if he has a set of guidelines to work at his company, and you don’t agree with them… then why work there? And why be stupid enough to get mad when he fires you for breaking them? Because he called you classless? It’s not exactly classy to get pregnant before you get married. This generation needs to wake up. You live with the consequences of the choices you make. Own it and move on. Don’t blame others
@@alexiswaddle4777 So you don’t think an employer should be able to lay out a list of guidelines that and employee agrees to in order to receive employment there, and then terminate that employee when he/she violates them? She was terminated because she was pregnant or got pregnant, she was terminated because she wasn’t following the guidelines her employer laid out. Why is that so difficult for people to see? Everyone wants to look at the effect and not the cause. Getting so fixated on the fruit rather than seeing the root of the issue
@@vincem2759 Having standards = rebranding discrimination??? I hope the world never embraces your philosophy. Or every employer will have to continue to pay drug addicts for poor work because they can’t “discriminate” against those that identify as a drug user. Why on earth do you people think this falls on the employer? If you don’t agree with their rules go work somewhere else! If you want to work there abide by their rules! This world doesn’t revolve around you and your feelings
@@alinatamashevich3354 Why are you so quick to jump to conclusions? The company said that it "does not maintain an exhaustive list of conduct that can lead to employee discipline because it is neither practical nor required,” but over time "specific rules have developed" to address employee conduct. "One is that Defendant does not allow employees to engage in premarital sex,” the company said.
I wonder why the news organization zoomed in on the word classless without allowing us to see any of the context the rest of that quote may have provided 🤔
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The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
Its not like you didn't know the policies. That's the standard his company has set, you don't like it , you should not have worked there in the first place.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
And to finish it off, it was a coworker she got pregnant by 🤦🏽♂️ if she’s an AA there definitely a big no no. Companies don’t like higher ups hooking up with hourly employees, what made her special???
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
🙄sorry but you knew what you signed up for. You signed up with this and what you understood. It’s no longer acceptable to have standards nowadays and enforce them.
As long as she came to work on time and did her job that's all that really matters who she is banging whether she's a married or not is none of his f****** business
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
*Ramsey's *there's *there *there Besides that, you cant just run a company however you want because its your company. We live in a country with laws and ETHICS
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
I like Dave's show, I listen a lot to him because it makes sense what he says. But I don't share his religious believes and thus if I had an opportunity to work for him, I respectfully would decline because I don't want my employer to meddle in my private life. If Ramsey clearly communicate his expectations and you don't like it, then don't work there.If the expectations were not clearly communicated or changed over time, well then that is an issue. But it isn't much different if you work for a Catholic school. They set expectations and as a teacher you have to abide by that. If not, go work for a public school or some private school that does not have any religious denomination
@@chancock4222 There is a difference here. Dave is good in helping people out of debt. His strategy has proven it and doesn't need validation anymore. Where I differ with him is for people who do NOT have debt, how to move on, i.e. investments how to build wealth. On a personal level, like I said, I don't think I want to be on his team. But Dave's point of view is very simple, you don't agree then don't follow him.
@@mathisnotforthefaintofheart Of course it needs validation. His $1000 emergency fund is way too low. His advice to purchase as $1000 beater car (which no longer exist) is a recipe for disaster. It's going to eat a $1000 emergency fund in about two months of ownership with repairs. Paying debts smallest to largest with no regard for interest rate can make sense but it depends on the situation. Getting people out of debt and then refusing to tell them how smart it is to use debt once they are better equipped to handle it is irresponsible. His advice is to just never take on any debt except a mortgage again after you're out. That's preposterous. Of course one should use credit cards and pay them back every month to take advantage of perks and increase one's credit worthiness. But he advises against it. He's leaving money on the table. Add these very simple mistakes and antiquated beliefs to his utter hypocrisy in his own business practices and it's clear how our of touch he is. As for "if you don't agree don't follow him". That's a cliche and harmful. People should follow him who don't agree. They should challenge him. They should point out his mistakes so those who he's harming with his advice have other sources of information. People who follow his teachings blindly need to see his failings and where both his methods and his character fall short. And finally yes, his point of view and advice are simple. In fact they are too simple and that's part of the problem.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
@@chrisdaviddunn3012 no. You can’t. If they fire you for being black, that’s still illegal. However, they are not obligated to give a reason in at will states.
@@chrisklappich5998 yes it's illegal to fire because of skin color, but like you said, they don't have to give a reason. This case will either be settled out of court or dropped. And FYI, less then 5% of cases are even won.
He wants certain people working for him, it is what it is. Why was she terrified about losing her job? She knew 100% that is why. This is not surprising based on things he has said on his show.
This is exactly WHY there are so many abortions. She could have secretively aborted the baby and kept her job. Jesus stooped and wrote in the sand... probably the 10 commandments some scholars say? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
I mean, if you want to work for a company, you have to follow their rules. If you don't like it, then start your own company. Granted I thinks it's a dumb policy, but I highly doubt these principles were not made clear to her when she started.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
@@Vandicoup I agree completely. The Chris Hogan thing is a blatant double standard by Dave. I agree with Dave's money and leadership principles but this is simply not the right way of handling things.
While also being in obvious breach of your contract, you’re also broadcasting to potential future employers you’re not worth the PR headache in hiring. some people are just what people say about them…dumb!
@@georgewagner7787 and then there’s the actual law. Doesn’t matter what you believe in you’re literally not allowed to discriminate against employees. Wonder why people don’t want to follow religion it’s people like you.
Personally I don't agree with the policy but come on its not the company wasn't up front about it she still made the decision to work there anyway weather the policy is right or wrong she knew what she was getting into so that's on her
@@genghiscan2918 that's only partly true they actually settled. However all of the articles on it are very vague. But one thing I can say with certainty is that when you sue a company work 2 to 3 hundred million dollars (the main building alone is worth more than 80 million) and you only get 76k through a settlement and not a ruling, that is a petty strong indicator that you didn't exactly have the strongest case but it's just simply not worth the hassle to deal with and its cheaper to just settle than investing the money in legal costs it would take to win. Idk if that's really the case but it's just kinda sus.
@@jeffsmith9420 You mean the Constitution that says this? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
"It's his company. He can run it the way he wants." I can't tell you how much that mentality infuriates me. So a company can just break discrimination laws? Human Rights laws? Wage laws? After all, it's a private business, and a business owner can break whatever laws they see fit, right? Now I know why Corporate America has become tyrannical and bloated. People condone their behavior and allow them to have complete control over their employees' lives (including their bodies~vax mandate comes to mind). Then the same people who have the mentality of "private business can do whatever they want" complain that "no one wants to work" while waiting ten minutes at the drive-thru for a burger and fries.
you cant just run a company however you want because its your company. We live in a country with laws and ETHICS. And last time I checked, Dave R isnt God.
As a Christian, when someone is in need, that is not the time to judge. It is the time to be supportive and kind. All of the men in his company can have all of the premarital sex in the world and he would never know. This woman could have had invitro, her birth control failed or just wanted to have a child without marriage. But to take away her source of income and benefits is cold. DR you will see this day again. To much that is given, much is required. And remember, Mary wasn't married.
Because Mary was made pregnant by God, and carried the son of God, and the savior of the world. Totally diffrent. It's true Dave wouldn't know 100% if his male unmarried employees are sleeping around, unless clear evidence emerges and given that they can't get pregnant as proof is also another factor, but the women they do impregnate can also come forward with strong evidence they got pregnant by them, but of course there can also be many women in his company that do not get caught having premarital sex because they simply did not get pregnant, unless they have other evidence. As a woman working for a christian company if you know you are already breaching agreement by having premarital sex, and then you get pregnant then of course the evidence is there, and you knew there was a risk of obvious evidence being seen. Woman can get pregant and if they do before marriage they took that risk. I think DR holds unmarried men just as accountable if he find out they were having sex out of marriage, even if they can't pregnant. Evidence is evidence. Now if she wanted a child for her self without being married, she could adopt, or have artificial insemination from a sperm donor or invetro fertilization, I dont think God wants you to have premarital sex just cause you want to raise a kid on your own.
Dig deeper, she is not the only person who has been fired, just the first to stand up to him. She was fired for premarital sex not pregnancy. If so how do they monitor the sexual activities of the employees? We will see how this plays out. There is a YT video that covers legality and he did not handle a male employee in the same way.
Probably because firing for pregnancy is against federal law apparently whereas firing for stepping out of the moral code agreement might not be illegal. If she is naturally pregnant (not in vitro) and is not married, then the pregnancy proves she had premarital sex.
@@powers6253 Did she say how she got pregnant? What if she was raped? There is no law that says a woman must go to Police. It is difficult to prove date rape, and not every woman wants to go to court.
@@shill1444 No it’s not. You’d have to be pretty dense to not understand they meant his principles are based on the Bible, either that or just like trolling.
She refused the money he offered her upon separation. Sounds like she's looking for "deep pockets." She claims she didn't know about the policy, yet said she was "terrified" when she told them she was pregnant. Her story is inconsistent.
She knew his views and probably signed something in agreement with the expectations of the firm. She knew what she was doing from the beginning. Every corporation has guidelines of conduct.
Guidelines at the workplace, yes. I'm aghast that Americans would consider it appropriate for an employer, to try and regulate their employees private life.
@@raraavis7782 I hear your point, it's just that we just already know exactly what his company stands for at 1 million miles away and there are hundreds of thousands of companies I'd say 96% or more that are not at odds with her life choices where this would be a non issue altogether. Why bother working for one of the rare companies who hold specific values? If there's a company that asks for everyone to take off their shoes because of the owner's cultural norms but I'm not comfortable with that i'm just going to choose to work anywhere else in the world. I'm not going to work there, sign papers saying I understand, have company wide expectations known that we take off shoes when entering and then act shocked when they push back because I keep wearing my shoes inside. It's a small example but it really never had to be an issue in the first place, she knew where and who she was going to work for and how his personal values directly influence how he operates the company.
The basis of his business is biblical teaching on life and finances. He falls more in the category of missions. It’s no surprise he would have tight rules on employee conduct at work and outside work. You directly represent the company you work for to others in the world around you. It’s very similar to working for a retailer or service business and badmouthing it publicly outside work hours.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
Firing someone for sex before marriage is hardly a detriment to anyone's place of work. It's not immoral, it's discrimination. And we have actual US Labor laws to protect against that, FYI...
His teachings on money are not biblical. They are mostly helpful reasonable, but they could as well be recommended by an atheist. He himself is a Christian and he sells his courses via the churches. Plus he is a control freak.
Whether I agree or not on what Ramsey puts in his contracts. Correct, it's called an employment contract. Maybe all the people on here should read some contracts that celebrities have to sign and you would say like, "holy bleep", like what! This is why contracts exist for me to benefit you in whatever way "I" expect the following from "you"....
Why do these women go work for a group of people they know operate a certain way and then years late sue them after being on their payroll? Why not just don't work for such organizations?
@@jacklong7048 If you are referring to the businesses, it’s hard to judge morals during the hiring process. Which candidate ever says they are not moral?
It’s one thing to demand your employees abide by religious scripture, I mean it’s his company after all, but for he and his colleagues to demonstrate this remorselessness towards this woman doesn’t seem very Christian to me. I mean, the Ramsey show is supposedly all about providing those in a vulnerable position with empathy and hope… what happened to that?
I think they probably were but the woman maybe nevered apologized and owned up to her behavior to them, so if someone doesn't see their choice as a "sin" in a christian company, why would they keep her on. It would be nice to hear Dave's side
@@Alex88148 The asterisk is used to indicate a correction. I'm a little surprised you haven't seen it used that way before. As far as the tilde is concerned, I have not used it erroneously -- it can be used wherever and whenever one wants to use it. However, "who" and "whom" cannot. They are NOT the same.
Even if it is in condition of employment. Is it lawful? Can you dismiss someone because they are pregnant in America? Should employment condition be abide by the law?
@Prey R i think thats what happened too. As a christian company if they dont hold people accountable, they arent representing a christian company. Maybe they were willing to give her another chance, but the fact that she didnt see her past choice as problamatic working for a christian company is where they couldnt keep her on. Its one thing to make a mistake, but not owning up to it when you know it breached the core values is another as well.
@@redclayscholar620 ...what if you are married to a partner of the same sex??? Think 'marriage' will slide easily over the Ramsey human resource department unnoticed to gay married persons?
I love Dave. He helps so many people in so many ways. I am 61 and I remember a time where people debated whether it was acceptable or not to live with someone before marriage. Premarital relations was frowned on. This is about morals. Just because we live in an amoral world, does not mean that everyone has to abide by it. I like that someone has moral convictions and refuses to back down.
@@EDUAROSOLAS if a company did discriminate against black people 1. why would a black person want to work for that racist company? 2. The company would fail if people had an issue with its policy. So it’s perfectly fine to run your company how you want. If the public dislikes it then your company won’t do well.
@@andrewbeck9675 Jesus christ. You just set America back 200 years. We've already tried that in this country, and thank God it's now illegal to discriminate.
It IS stupid to go somewhere you don’t agree with there values. Not “GROSSLY” inappropriate. It IS “GROSSLY” inappropriate to fire this lady because she’s pregnant out of wedlock.
So no one speaks on the fact that it was with a coworker 🤔 😕 is that "grossly inappropriate" as well a conflict of interest? Especially if one holds a position of power within said company?
Guessing there is a lot more to this than she is telling. If she is 100% telling the truth, I may not work for that company if they tried to dictate my private life like that. But I still respect it, and still am a supporter of much of his financial advice.
When you sign the contract for the job you have to live according to the rules. You can get fired if your boss doesn't like your facebook post. Most religious organizations will fire you for moral failures. What the report mis interprets is she didn't get fired for being pregnant she got fired for moral failure according to her workplace guidelines.
@@brian4180 he has a point Dave berates people on his show for making the same money mistakes he made. I understand his frustration because he genuinely wants to help people but sometimes he is a real horses ass
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
I'm not a Christian and I don't care if people engage in premarital sex, but I 100% support Dave's right to run his company however he chooses. He built it based on certain principles, and if you don't agree with him then you don't have to work there.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer. Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it. I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
@@Vandicoup IDGAF about Federal Law. The Feds are the enemy and they hate us. Do what is RIGHT, regardless of what the law says. Think for yourself and don't let them push you around.
People know what they're getting into when they get a job there. With that said I do think people of faith should take a different approach when dealing with these situations. A private school in my area is known to kick girls out who get pregnant. If we want to see the practice of abortion phased out then we need to act like it. What do we think leaving a young girl educationless or jobless is going to do to her decision making when it comes to the choice of ending the pregnancy.
Yeah but his company is not considered a non profit or a faith based organization, he could make it that if he wanted to. He has no legal right to terminate people because of premarital sex, he runs a for-profit corporation.
That's exactly why the anti-abortion movement/"right to life" movement is nothing but hypocrisy and careless, reckless behavior towards women and minorities. If they won't stand up and openly discuss and campaign for Sex ED, financial support for broke mothers, food stamps, counseling, better insurance, better medical care, better and more accessible food and care for their children and families, etc, etc, then they never cared about the babies and their families. They are all only about control, tyranny and oppression. That's all.
That's why abortion matters so much. It gives all of these women in hard times a way to bounce back, a way to course-correct their broken, oppressed lives. To move onto bigger and better without the burden and hardship of a forced pregnancy, brought down on them due to an intentional ignorance of proper and safe sex and education by our system. It gives women more options. It's health care. This is an extremely personal decision that is meant only between a woman, her doctor and her family. Not the government. The government slows things down, the government ruins everything.
@@Vandicoup they got themselves into their situation and how many are happily fulfilled aborters? Would it be great if a dad didn’t want kids so he could take a hammer to their heads? If yes then I get your point. Why should a man be oppressed by a woman to take care of a child he does not want? Hypocrite
Pretty sure Dave is a complete conman. Do what he says and see where it gets you!!! LOL Yeah ummm I didn't invest for 20 years and lived on beans and ryyyce so I could pay off my house. What?? I could have invested and I'd be up another 375,000??? Huh??? I mean ummm I don't I don't have umm. Butit's ok the walls of your house are made of steaks and sausage right. Just eat that!! Hang on someone's calling from my yacht that I got by conning all of you!!! :) :) :)@@Gibb591
If you're a guy, no one would know if you had premarital sex - married or not. Depending on what she signed when she was hired, she unfortunately doesn't have a case. If he was speaking to 900 people at that time, and didn't single her out, then she can't take it personally.
Because Dave, like most Christians, cherry picks what's good and tosses the rest. So yes, his biblical principles. Really not as hard to understand as you're making it seem.
@@johndoe-ii1ko - I'm unaware of adultery being acceptable in any sect of Christianity? I'm guessing he should abandon this core belief simply bc he eats pork? Oh brother!
@@MikeThePike316 what about slavery, not eating shellfish, or wearing certain fabrics as described and promoted in the bible? Think Dave cares about those principles? Yeah, that's what I thought. Again cherry pick what is cute and fuzzy, but ignore the dumb and ignorant parts. Cool, I'm sure God likes his book being watered down to what makes you tickle on the inside.
@@johndoe-ii1ko - So, you're cherry picking the Bible by focusing on the old testament? Kind of a weak argument considering that most of Christianity follows the new testament and abide by the ten commandments. Your gripe is with Christianity, not Dave for being a believer/follower.
Every company I ever worked for had a code of conduct. Most included a statement to the effect of employees were subject to disciplinary action up to and including employment termination if your actions brought the company into ill repute. By accepting employment, you were subject to the code of conduct which was shared before accepting the job offer. I also don’t trust the reporting. How can we be sure that what he was saying on the stage was specifically about her situation. Could have been a general comment about behavior of those employed by the organization. Might have been, but this seems to have been purposely edited to make it seem to be about her. Wouldn’t be the first case of deceptive editing.
She said "Dave, I had premarital sex".
Dave: OK, what's your household income?"
🤣🤣
Do you have any boats or RV's? 😆
🤣🤣🤣
Funny I agree. However that is one thing that I really like about the Dave Ramsey Show. People call and give specific number about their financial situations. If they don't give those numbers, Dave will ask. No harm, it's all anonymous.
Sell the cars, TA-day
To be fair, he calls almost everyone “stupid”
Calls himself stupid gazillion times.....
I admit,Dave is very outspoken,however,asyou said,Dave calls a number of people stupid.ive was raised in a church that YOU'D better do what they said or else: they didnt teach or believe in compassion: i will say Dave should have gotten some sort aid or help for the young woman instead of it hitting the media,very bad press.i dont know all the facts though: i can relate in a way because of how i was reared in the church.
That doesn't make it right. I watch Dave's show and follow his financial advice but I cringe every time he calls someone stupid. It's not okay and that is actually "classless". People get desensitized by people's celebrity status. It's wrong for Dave to do it just as it is for anyone else. He fires her for her sin but turns around and sins by cussing. His firing her and canceling her insurance is just as bad as her having pre marital sex. The hypocrisy is incredible. He's gonna lose this one.
@@su-mu Good for him and he calls everyone stupid, if you don't agree then leave. Ramsey is great.
You're projecting your own bias into the situation. You weren't raised in "the church." You were raised by people, who are sinners. Your one congregation may not have been doing it right. But if you read the bible, all kinds of congregations had their own problems. This is nothing new. You're literally blaming God for the actions of people in your one congregation. Doesn't sound very compassionate to me, but it does sound hypocritical. I would invite you to try again. You can always go back to Christ as long as you draw breath. @@victortaylor7737
I don’t work where I’m not welcomed nor where my life doesn’t line up with a companies belief
She needs insurance to cover the pregnancy
😂😂😂 this is a common case of a woman agreeing to a moral clause. Acting immoral then is somehow mystified as to why ehe got fired. 😂😂😂
Why do they keep saying "Dave's Biblical principles"? As if he authored a portion of scripture?
Take a look at "The Cult of Dave" and you'll see why they said that. Trust me
Well he certainly isn't commanding that his employees abstain from eating shell fish or, I don't know, own slaves. He's cherry picking parts of the Bible that oppress women.
@@EDUAROSOLAS If he is Christian, then...... yeah, big surprise, I guess we would expect him not to promote expired ancient Hebrew/Jewish customs. If you're re-defining "oppressed" to mean "agitated by responsibility", I would imagine there are women experiencing real oppression all over this world who would quickly trade it for some of this phoney oppression.
@@44fastgun wait, so youre going to dismiss the the old testament commandments as if God hmself didnt speciically command them hmself? When do you think god became more moral than his behavior in the OT? Keep in mind that according to Christians, Jesus himself commanded the atrocities and disgusting law in the OT, because he is the creator god.
@@EDUAROSOLAS You didn't hear me dismiss anything. The Old testament laws were valid and established to prepare for the Messiah, whose presence would begin a new covenant. The OT itself foretells the expiration of that dispensation (Jeremiah 31: 31-34, Ezekiel 36: 24-28). I do not see where God was any less Holy than He's always been. The only real OT atrocity I see is wicked human beings rebelling and despising their creator after He revealed to them their best path to eternal existence. If you are trying to suggest slavery as "God's huge mistake", then you would be the one guilty of dismissing the OT. The whole system reveals itself in Exodus to resemble what in modern times is called indentured servanthood; it was a voluntary, temporary path to land-ownership for the poor, with strict laws against abuse, and provisions for voluntary permanence due to many servants developing favorable relationships with their employer. Compare that to the secular welfare disaster of today that panders to poor folks until election day, gives little incentive to work,, then leaves them with a mere grocery check for the rest of their lives. I think you got the OT confused with the humanisticly-developed secular Euro-colonial slavery system, which was involuntary, abusive, and violated every precept that was the OT social structure.
My bet is that she signed a morality agreement. You can be sure Dave Ramsey has an iron-clad work contract he makes everyone sign.
Contracts dont void laws
He’s still a fucking Hypocrite. Calls himself a Christian and then not only turns his back on her but punished her.
He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
@@genghiscan2918 Wow, had no idea. Thanks.
@@mmc9828 the decision came down less than 2 weeks ago
Why work for someone you don’t agree with their company’s beliefs?
Because it shouldn’t matter?
clearly it does because she lost her job over it @@aridianknight3576
Coz people gotta eat
Agreed, sometimes 'cultural Catholics' or 'cafeteria Catholics' they moan about their church's teachings, but then work at a Catholic school, or work for the church and then moan about a moral teaching of theirs, it's crazy, have personal integrity.
@@michellea9857 lol I’m going to acquaint you with a saying I like. “Religion is like a dick, it’s cool that you have one, just don’t go shoving down peoples throats without asking”
If you sign a morals clause you have to abide with it.
Not if it's illegal which this one clearly is.
She didnt get kicked out a church group. She got terminated from her career.. Its illegal and Ramsey already had to pay out a lesbian he fired before this.
Morals clause only works if it abides by federal/state laws! Haven’t looked at the laws though so don’t know if it covers this.
Wtf is moral clause fuck off with religious bs exscues
@@Gmac_Greg_M Moral clauses are totally legal and enforceable. If you sign on to one you are accountable to it. its typically part of an employment a contract.
They didn't terminate her because she got pregnant. She was fired for having pre-marital sex.
I've interviewed for Ramsey's company and they are very clear at the beginning what their expectations for employees are.
I personally had issues with it and chose not to work there. This lady could have done the same.
Why is his mind in other peoples bedrooms to begin with? Its creepy..
@@jamesjazzy8040 It doesn't matter. People know up front what they expect. Don't like it, don't work there.
@@malvolio01 Ramsey is a weirdo.
@@happymolecule8894 If you think so, don't work for him.
@@Nepthu I won't. I'm just saying it how it is.
Dave’s company. You knew who he is. He consistent af. Is this a shocker?
Except he’s not. His right-hand man, Chris Hogan, was having an affair for years and Dave was helping cover it up until that got outed and he had to let Chris go because of this whole debacle
@@bmjr96 I've never understood why employees think we're supposed to discuss other people's HR or personal issues in the open. Several types of therapy are offered through Employee Assistance Programs (EAP) with the promise of confidentiality. Once that employee takes it public, however, those in charge may speak on it publicly. Until then, I really don't think anyone wants there problems discussed with other employees or the public.
Like her getting a job at the Playboy Corporation, then getting upset there are naked women around.
@@bmjr96 what’s your evidence he was covering up for Hogan for years?
Hogan got fired only AFTER his wife pushed Dave who stood still defending Hogan so she went public, not when Dave found out about his infidelities. Why is it different for a Ramsey male star and not a junior female employee?
It doesn't qualify as a cult. Having a code of conduct set or moral principles is not a cult. You can disagree with the principles but it is not a cult.
All religions are cults
I'd say forcing people to abide by your morals comes pretty close to a cult.
@@snowpzexcept nobody is getting forced, it's a voluntary contract signing. If they don't like it they can look for different places to work
@@RJWaynerium follow my morals or I'll kick you out, idk still sounds like a cult bro
@@snowpzthink what you like
The “controversial” recording of Dave sounds exactly like how he does on his show ha ha, it’s his company he can run it how he wants. His beliefs aren’t exactly a secret.
Girl, this is literally in his contract. If he fired Chris Hogan for infidelity, what makes you think he wasn’t going to stick to the other principles outlined within the signed document? Go ahead and try to sue😂
Ramsey is so hard headed that he refuses to change his teachings even when it's been shown multiple times he can't do math. So the likelihood of him changing a stupid policy he has is pretty slim. The man's a half-wit charlatan but he will stick to his own backwards rules any day of the week.
Only that it was found out that Dave was covering up Chris' infidelity at first. He only fired him when it went public and they were receiving heat for it.
@@luisa1473 I thought they fired him, Chris hogan came out with a vague post, and THEN his wife outted them for waiting until after his book tour and forcing them into marriage counseling afterward? But yes I hate the way they handled it because if his wife would’ve stayed this would’ve been kept under wraps and they never would’ve fired him, which is idiotic
Contracts cannot trump the law...
@@luisa1473 They sent Chris through counseling but the moment it was brought to his attention Dave put him on leave. Chris's wife expressly stated that.
I mean I think it’s a dumb policy. But Dave Ramsey calls people stupid on the air everyday, it’s part of the way he talks. You knew that. And you knew the policy and i guarantee you signed something saying you understood it.
Ever met a non judgemental Christian?
@@eddieyan3017 so you're not judgemental I guess? you've never judged anyone or anything in your life
@@Convexhull210 I do, yet I am not the one claiming I don't judge - I make all attempts to not be a hypocrite personally.
@@eddieyan3017 dave ramsey doesn't claim he doesn't judge and the reality is we all judgem
@@Convexhull210 I was referring to Christianity, which Dave Ramsey claims to be, that states "Thou shall not judge, or you to shall be judge." - Matthew 7
Canceling that insurance is a bad look in any court
News: "This just in. Women fired from Christian job cause she wasn't acting like a Christian"
Viewers: ..."and?"
Imagine if it was reverse.
“Fired for being a Christian” would explode the internet
@@Gumby6583 if it’s a private company, no problem.
@@johnbobbillyshow1433 so if a private company would hire people for being Muslim or gay that would be okay? Or would the labor board intervene?? Same difference
@@Gumby6583 Up to the company. they look at expertise. Hiring someone just because they are gay, Asian, black, white, doesn't mean they know, understand or can do the job. Companies hire based on what they need not what other people want. Its a private company, they can do whatever they want.
@@techdiyer5290 so if I have a “private company” I can do whatever I want? I can just dump toxins anywhere? I can abuse my workers? Is that what you are saying???
She knew the rules when she came to work there. It's a free country and an employer can make his or her own rules.
Actually an employer cannot make they're own rules, they must follow federal law with regard to employment discrimination based on sex, sexual orientation, marital and familial status, disability and other things.
@Colin Holmes actually they can. At least that's what I've been hearing why Kaepernick is out of the nfl. You idiots love moving the goal post
@@rehn4529 What an ignorant thing to say 🙄. Read the national labor relations act.
Right, so if an employer decides all female employees must show up to work naked, they aren't violating any laws. Great logic there, cowboy. There's a reason we have workplace rules, regs, and guidelines so people like you can't make their own stupid ones.
@@rehn4529 still talking about kaepernick 7 years later my goodness
"His biblical principles"???
I didn't know Dave Ramsey wrote a bible🤣
You aren't too bright now are you?
@@brian4180
No no I'm actually quite dark😈
More religious nut bags
@@brian4180 If you actually watched this video you would see that they called it (His biblical principles). They try to make it seem like Dave wrote the bible. Re-watch this video, I'm not sure how you missed it, but they do emphasize that making it seem like Dave owned the bible. Either you aren't too bright or your a bot.
@@vickieclark5931 I watched the video. It's not my fault that you interpreted it like a moron.
Not discrimination based on pregnancy. It is discrimination based on premarital sex
Sounds great! Let's go with that!
@@chrislandreman8537 that's the facts of the case. she even said so herself that's why she was fired
This is illegal: One cannot be discriminated "based on premarital sex."
@@jonb3189 show me in the law where it says that. Ill save you the trouble, it doesnt
@@tryingtowalkthepath683One can be discriminated based upon ethnicity, age, sex, or disability. However, one cannot be discriminated "based on premarital sex."
States have lots of statutes and Tennessee no doubt does too. The common law doctrine, though, is employment at will. That is, either party can terminate for any reason, or no reason at all.
Am I the only one stuck on Dave talking about biblical principals yet cursing in front of his employees?
FACTS! I was thinking, perplexedly so, the very same thing! He has a double tongue or is himself a double edged sword! How does that speech work with biblical principles?
It's ok. One day he will die and cease to exist, just like the rest of the world's arrogant pricks, and everybody else. There is literally nothing to be afraid of and I find that comforting.
Super hypocritical. But, the hypocrisy of stopping a pregnant woman’s health insurance bothers me a lot more.
Society created "curse words" those words are not found in the Bible. So how is he a hypocrite? Dummy 😆 🤣
@@rehn4529 Society created cigarettes,abortion and many other vile things not specifically spoken of in the Bible also,but it doesn't mean that if you do them then speak GOD/or Christianity in the same breath you're not hypocritical! Bible principles don't have to be misdeed specific for you to not do it! It only has to apply, and I suppose you can only do that if you have some decent sort of Bible trained conscience! Bible Principles that may relate: James 3:5-11,Colossians 3:8,1Corinthians 10:23.
Dummy? SMH
She signed an employment contract, violated that contract and was fired. She wasn't discriminated against for pregnancy, she was fired for violation of the morals clause in her employment contract. Same thing happened to Chris Hogan.
Dave Ramsey calls his entire audience stupid, his callers stupid, and himself stupid on a regular basis.
You don't go work for an extremely stringent religious company unless you agree with and will abide by their rules. Playing dumb doesn't help your case... just makes you look stupid.
And how pathetic do you look for defending your dear friend Dave for wanting to control an employee while she is away from work.
Who watches over Dave when he is away fron work? Ready for the big response ? Here it is.___________________________________________________________________ No one.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
@@Vandicoup She wasn't fired for getting pregnant. They just found out she violated the morality clause because in order to get pregnant, she had to have violated the morality clause.
@@Bugsy0333 "wanting to control an employee while she is away from work" Companies do this all the time. Lots of employees are fired when their social media posts and other conduct is not consistent with the companies values. The liberals are huge into cancelling people and getting them fired for conduct outside of work.
why would you work there if you dont agree to the culture?
How come Chris Hogan continued to be employed by Ramsey even after it was disclosed he had committed adultery and had banged employees of Ramsey? Because he was black and they had a quota? Because he was a draw on the radio show? Tell us, Oh Wise One.
I feel bad for the lady, and yet it is no secret that Dave Ramsey owns a particular brand that he is inherently obligated to protect; not just for him but all of his employees as well.
If you don't practice what you preach, literally, your credibility can be called into question and devalue what you stand for.
I don't think Dave Ramsey is following biblical principles when he fires a woman and cuts off her insurance at the most vulnerable time of her life. We don't even know if the father is going to stand by her and the child. Speaking of the child, he or she is completely innocent, and Dave just made it much more likely that the child will be born into poverty.
@@jaysilver9193 He also fired one of his co-hosts for the same thing. She also isn't the only employee there. He might be trying to look out for his other employees. Frankly it is his business.
But you could hire her if you feel so inclined.
@@jaysilver9193 Nobody cares what you speculate about what could be. Ramsey is looking out for the integrity of his business. You have no idea what went down and what went into the decisions
It’s a private company. Dave dictates the rules. Also the rules are what he preach all day long and she want to bend the rule for her.
Thats her personal life, a company has no business in that. If shes a good employee should be their only concern. Dave Ramsey does give some good advice on other topics. I hope she does win her lawsuit.
Rules don’t trump law dummy.
@@phelps1485my job has a morality clause. They can fire me if I file for bankruptcy.
As an employer, you're bound by certain laws regardless of whether you're a private company or publicly held company. Like it or not, and illegal firing is an illegal firing. I think he's going to lose this case. Besides, doesn't Jesus preach that we should turn the other cheek? The whole point of the New Testament was about forgiveness, so she's even got a good argument using Dave's own religious principles.
Matthew 18:21-22
21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" 22Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
@@DrKnowsMoresure he can forgive her. But that doesn’t mean he has to continue keeping her on the payroll. Forgiveness and consequences for your actions are two separate things.
So, let me get this straight. She knew who she was working for and was surprised and broken when he acted n the way he is publicly known to be? I guess accountability is a one way street.
Well. Legally, it may be a one way street.
Legally is a different story
No company has any right to interfere in the personal life of their employees. That is a direct human rights violation.
@John Smith I agree.
I agree.
I'm not in favor of government saying who anyone has to hire, and who they cannot fire. It's not a "free country" if government has this kind of control, even if for a good cause.
Stupid is not a reason to sue someone. He called everyone stupid. Move on if u don’t like him
try call it your president and see what happens :D
People outside the faith simply do not understand. Christians believe that sex outside of marriage is a sinful lifestyle choice. Anyone who listens to his show for 5 minutes would pick up on his views. Why anyone would work for a company which they fundamentally disagree with boggles me.
but the company has nothing to do with christianity or anything close to it
@@JOHN-cx6kn Are you kidding me? You must not be a listener of his show. Everything he does is Bible based. I kindly invite you to listen to his show.
@@olgasantiago-agirlfriendsguide I watch these short videos. what about it is bible based though? he just talks about money
@@olgasantiago-agirlfriendsguide guess what his company is registered as a secular company
@@JOHN-cx6kn - Obviously you know virtually nothing about the show or Dave Ramsey. For crying out loud, they have a "Bible verse of the day" at the end of each show.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Not sure, but Chris probably had to meet some terms of his contracts and book signing obligations. Also Hogan made a video that was emailed to customers, I don’t think she had to make a public statement. Both were handled differently as they held different positions.
@@bluebelle9572 policy is policy no matter what position.
No true. Hogan was also terminated. Remove this lie.
@@Nepthu Terminated after they swept it under the rug for three years and were finally forced to do it to save face during a lawsuit
@@mike-kh8bu whether that's the case or not they don't have to necessarily apply it evenly.... they can apply it as they see fit. Just like speeding is illegal and police pick and choose who to pull over even though they probably saw 100 other people speeding before they chose you...
Having a boss tell everyone in the company that a certain employee is stupid happens more than you think. We have one annual group meeting where I work and this year the owner announced someone just quit and then he said a few less than positive comments about that person
I worked for a dean of a university who referred to her secretary, assistant secretary and clerical staff as "my slaves", during meetings
Now that is classless!
Dude, the "christian" company I had worked for gossiped and maligned just about every non-family person that left the company. I would never work at a private "christian" company again. Quite frankly, I don't even know what "christian" means anymore as at 5 least different religions claim it, and often the principles are for everybody else...not ownership, family, or management.
Grow up How would like like all ur private talks made public As if I NEVER mad mouth anyone Give me a break
Yeah, but when churches are donating millions of dollars to a Christian company, you can’t defend that company by pointing out that other worldly organizations do the same thing. The church and Christian companies are supposed to be called to a higher level of ethics.
Aww, somebody called her "stupid" and even "classless" what a tragedy. Well she is probably both. Oh no. She will now sue me.
If you have your own company you should be able to close your business on Sundays if you choose and also be able to hold your employees to a desired standard as long as it is clear and stated ahead of time. I bet she accepted the standards and now she wants to change the rules to suit her needs.
BINGO
This was two years ago.
Its unprofesionall
Ramsey is an asshole and has no right to fire someone over this unless she signed something
she is and doing this interview just made her look even more stupid and classless
His views on fornication have always been crystal clear.
Views and laws are different. Federally it’s illegal to terminate a job due to pregnancy. That’s why they wanted her to sign a NDA so they can pay her out and keep her mouth closed
What, that it's OK for Chris Hogan (until the lawyers say otherwise), but not for the women?
So?
@@tomcapping2136 Umm, Chris is gone just like this employee.
@@MikeThePike316 'Umm'... Chris went much later. The female employee was fired, Chris agreed to go through marriage counselling with his wife and was kept in employment for quite a while, until it became clear that the woman had a massive legal claim given that she was fired and he wasn't, at which point he was finally let go.
It’s a Private Company. Manage and operate it the way you want.
Sell the kid! Get out of debt. And start charging for your back time! Whatever it takes. NO DEBT!
😂
Not really a Dave Ramsey fan, but if he has a set of guidelines to work at his company, and you don’t agree with them… then why work there? And why be stupid enough to get mad when he fires you for breaking them? Because he called you classless? It’s not exactly classy to get pregnant before you get married.
This generation needs to wake up. You live with the consequences of the choices you make. Own it and move on. Don’t blame others
Pregnancy discrimination is illegal, there you go.
Pregnancy discrimination is illegal, there you go.
@@alexiswaddle4777 So you don’t think an employer should be able to lay out a list of guidelines that and employee agrees to in order to receive employment there, and then terminate that employee when he/she violates them?
She was terminated because she was pregnant or got pregnant, she was terminated because she wasn’t following the guidelines her employer laid out. Why is that so difficult for people to see? Everyone wants to look at the effect and not the cause. Getting so fixated on the fruit rather than seeing the root of the issue
@@chriswood9808 no. That’s the point. Rebranding discrimination isn’t going to work
@@vincem2759
Having standards = rebranding discrimination??? I hope the world never embraces your philosophy. Or every employer will have to continue to pay drug addicts for poor work because they can’t “discriminate” against those that identify as a drug user. Why on earth do you people think this falls on the employer? If you don’t agree with their rules go work somewhere else! If you want to work there abide by their rules! This world doesn’t revolve around you and your feelings
I deeply question this woman a lot. I could be wrong, but something is definitely off about her.
She needs to take the payout and move on. Her attorney does not have the bank account to engage this suit for very long, Dave does.
Why dont you question Dave ?
@@Bugsy0333 That would require a subpoena and deposition.
@@melissadial8943 This is a nuisance lawsuit, nothing more. She messed up engaging an attorney, he/she will take half of any payout.
@@alinatamashevich3354 Why are you so quick to jump to conclusions?
The company said that it "does not maintain an exhaustive list of conduct that can lead to employee discipline because it is neither practical nor required,” but over time "specific rules have developed" to address employee conduct.
"One is that Defendant does not allow employees to engage in premarital sex,” the company said.
I wonder why the news organization zoomed in on the word classless without allowing us to see any of the context the rest of that quote may have provided 🤔
Me too
Thats what media does. They zoom in like the audio. It does not connect stupid with her.
Probably cuz its worse and that and either way media does that. Doesn't matter what spectrum
Because media companies don't want you to think critically or for yourself. They shape perception. They don't present the truth.
Because the media is very Bias & tell lies
You can look the lawsuit up online. All cases are on each state website
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She knew exactly what she signed up for…
True and she is just after fast case for getting B.....
come on now. you knew that before working for the company.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
@@Vandicouponly federal law because they want to either tax the baby or harvest it for stem cell research lol
Its not like you didn't know the policies. That's the standard his company has set, you don't like it , you should not have worked there in the first place.
Now say that again in North Korean
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
Would Jesus fire this pregnant woman ? I think not--He would preach to protect & provide comfort to this vulnerable woman.
Straw man fallacy.
Jesus wasn't a businessman.
You must drink blue pills like water. Poor fella.
@@antiLGTBQ WWJD is not a strawman, it is good behavior.
Strangely enough, Dave Ramsey is correct! It IS morally wrong to be having sex out of wedlock.
I beg to differ, but even if I agreed I would also say it is morally wrong to fire someone who is pregnant
@@marta150does this principle mean that every pregnant woman is entitled to a job? From whomever she desires? Honestly…
@@SamT304 I didn’t say that. She already had a job and was fired
@@marta150 yes, I know. But you believe that her pregnancy should’ve prevented the firing?
@@SamT304 I find it immoral
She already knew who she was going to work for, but took the job anyway with the mentality of “I don’t care”...
/Life Coaches, pay attention.
And to finish it off, it was a coworker she got pregnant by 🤦🏽♂️ if she’s an AA there definitely a big no no. Companies don’t like higher ups hooking up with hourly employees, what made her special???
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
🙄sorry but you knew what you signed up for. You signed up with this and what you understood. It’s no longer acceptable to have standards nowadays and enforce them.
Stupid idiotic standards
As long as she came to work on time and did her job that's all that really matters who she is banging whether she's a married or not is none of his f****** business
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
She said "Dave, I had premarital sex".
Dave: "OK, how much do you owe on your truck?"
Does anyone know what happened with this case?
It’s Dave Ramsey company they can do whatever they want that’s why their a contact. You don’t have to work their no one is obligating you work their
*Ramsey's *there's *there *there Besides that, you cant just run a company however you want because its your company. We live in a country with laws and ETHICS
@@sillybirdy1994 The same was true with the vax mandate. The companies that instituted that requirement and fired people who refused should be sued.
Ok Michael i do not like the way you look today you are fired. Best of luck
@@Bugsy0333 they why hire me in first place dip shit
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
I like Dave's show, I listen a lot to him because it makes sense what he says. But I don't share his religious believes and thus if I had an opportunity to work for him, I respectfully would decline because I don't want my employer to meddle in my private life. If Ramsey clearly communicate his expectations and you don't like it, then don't work there.If the expectations were not clearly communicated or changed over time, well then that is an issue. But it isn't much different if you work for a Catholic school. They set expectations and as a teacher you have to abide by that. If not, go work for a public school or some private school that does not have any religious denomination
It makes sense until you apply math. Then you see he's brain dead.
@@chancock4222 There is a difference here. Dave is good in helping people out of debt. His strategy has proven it and doesn't need validation anymore. Where I differ with him is for people who do NOT have debt, how to move on, i.e. investments how to build wealth. On a personal level, like I said, I don't think I want to be on his team. But Dave's point of view is very simple, you don't agree then don't follow him.
He makes no sense.
@@jeffsmith9420 That's why so many people are in a financial mess
@@mathisnotforthefaintofheart Of course it needs validation. His $1000 emergency fund is way too low. His advice to purchase as $1000 beater car (which no longer exist) is a recipe for disaster. It's going to eat a $1000 emergency fund in about two months of ownership with repairs. Paying debts smallest to largest with no regard for interest rate can make sense but it depends on the situation. Getting people out of debt and then refusing to tell them how smart it is to use debt once they are better equipped to handle it is irresponsible. His advice is to just never take on any debt except a mortgage again after you're out. That's preposterous. Of course one should use credit cards and pay them back every month to take advantage of perks and increase one's credit worthiness. But he advises against it. He's leaving money on the table. Add these very simple mistakes and antiquated beliefs to his utter hypocrisy in his own business practices and it's clear how our of touch he is. As for "if you don't agree don't follow him". That's a cliche and harmful. People should follow him who don't agree. They should challenge him. They should point out his mistakes so those who he's harming with his advice have other sources of information. People who follow his teachings blindly need to see his failings and where both his methods and his character fall short. And finally yes,
his point of view and advice are simple. In fact they are too simple and that's part of the problem.
so what happened to this case?
She is just seeking attention.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
Hardly. Tennessee, like my state of NC, you can be fired for any reason. "At will, and right to work". She has no case.
@@chrisdaviddunn3012 that’s not how at will employment works
@@chrisklappich5998 actually it is, you can be fired for any reason in an "at will" state.
@@chrisdaviddunn3012 no. You can’t. If they fire you for being black, that’s still illegal. However, they are not obligated to give a reason in at will states.
@@chrisklappich5998 yes it's illegal to fire because of skin color, but like you said, they don't have to give a reason. This case will either be settled out of court or dropped. And FYI, less then 5% of cases are even won.
He wants certain people working for him, it is what it is. Why was she terrified about losing her job? She knew 100% that is why. This is not surprising based on things he has said on his show.
This is exactly WHY there are so many abortions. She could have secretively aborted the baby and kept her job. Jesus stooped and wrote in the sand... probably the 10 commandments some scholars say?
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Because she's a typical, narcissistic whamin who thinks she's special and different.
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@@chrislandreman8537 Thank you so much for you erudite contribution.
What's inappropriate is that this single mom is trying to shake her former employee for child support money by suing😂😂😂
This news story makes we want to watch Dave Ramsay even more.
I mean, if you want to work for a company, you have to follow their rules. If you don't like it, then start your own company. Granted I thinks it's a dumb policy, but I highly doubt these principles were not made clear to her when she started.
No, fmla is a federal law.
Okay company says u have to attend church every Sunday!
U sue u win!
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
@@Vandicoup I agree completely. The Chris Hogan thing is a blatant double standard by Dave. I agree with Dave's money and leadership principles but this is simply not the right way of handling things.
And if you’re going to open a company in a country, that company has to adhere to that country’s laws. That’s where Dave fucked up.
Sounds more like a hit piece brought to you by the time share industry..... they have lots of friends in low places
Really?
WTH? No. Lol
So funny! 😂 And it wouldn't surprise me, either! 😂
lol
He rags on credit cards and banks too. They are 1000x the size of the timeshare industry
good one. LOL.
While also being in obvious breach of your contract, you’re also broadcasting to potential future employers you’re not worth the PR headache in hiring. some people are just what people say about them…dumb!
He calls himself stupid as well, if you sign it and still break the contract and company calture you are "STUPID" indeed
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK THERE!!!!!! It's his company and his rules!!!!!
you know rules about sex before marriage goes against every law right
Freedom of association
And then there's God's law
@@georgewagner7787 and then there’s the actual law. Doesn’t matter what you believe in you’re literally not allowed to discriminate against employees. Wonder why people don’t want to follow religion it’s people like you.
@@awaKensSB God's law is and always has been above that of man.
Personally I don't agree with the policy but come on its not the company wasn't up front about it she still made the decision to work there anyway weather the policy is right or wrong she knew what she was getting into so that's on her
Its also obvious you don't understand the constitution or civil rights laws either.
@@jeffsmith9420 says the guy who just makes a blatant statement without quoting a single law or policy
He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
@@genghiscan2918 that's only partly true they actually settled. However all of the articles on it are very vague. But one thing I can say with certainty is that when you sue a company work 2 to 3 hundred million dollars (the main building alone is worth more than 80 million) and you only get 76k through a settlement and not a ruling, that is a petty strong indicator that you didn't exactly have the strongest case but it's just simply not worth the hassle to deal with and its cheaper to just settle than investing the money in legal costs it would take to win. Idk if that's really the case but it's just kinda sus.
@@jeffsmith9420 You mean the Constitution that says this?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
The two primary differences between a religion and a cult are that a cult usually has a leader and you are not allowed to leave at all in a cult.
No one is forcing you to work there homegirl!
He owns the company so he gets to make the rules. Don’t like his rules? Then don’t work there! It’s called capitalism, people.
Who would impregnate that? Ugh
"It's his company. He can run it the way he wants." I can't tell you how much that mentality infuriates me. So a company can just break discrimination laws? Human Rights laws? Wage laws? After all, it's a private business, and a business owner can break whatever laws they see fit, right?
Now I know why Corporate America has become tyrannical and bloated. People condone their behavior and allow them to have complete control over their employees' lives (including their bodies~vax mandate comes to mind).
Then the same people who have the mentality of "private business can do whatever they want" complain that "no one wants to work" while waiting ten minutes at the drive-thru for a burger and fries.
you cant just run a company however you want because its your company. We live in a country with laws and ETHICS. And last time I checked, Dave R isnt God.
He just seems like a douchebag bully to me
It's not the employers business if people have pre marital sex
As a Christian, when someone is in need, that is not the time to judge. It is the time to be supportive and kind. All of the men in his company can have all of the premarital sex in the world and he would never know. This woman could have had invitro, her birth control failed or just wanted to have a child without marriage. But to take away her source of income and benefits is cold. DR you will see this day again. To much that is given, much is required. And remember, Mary wasn't married.
Couldn't have said it better myself! I find empathy to be lacking in many TV personalities that claim to be Christian.
Because Mary was made pregnant by God, and carried the son of God, and the savior of the world. Totally diffrent.
It's true Dave wouldn't know 100% if his male unmarried employees are sleeping around, unless clear evidence emerges and given that they can't get pregnant as proof is also another factor, but the women they do impregnate can also come forward with strong evidence they got pregnant by them, but of course there can also be many women in his company that do not get caught having premarital sex because they simply did not get pregnant, unless they have other evidence. As a woman working for a christian company if you know you are already breaching agreement by having premarital sex, and then you get pregnant then of course the evidence is there, and you knew there was a risk of obvious evidence being seen. Woman can get pregant and if they do before marriage they took that risk. I think DR holds unmarried men just as accountable if he find out they were having sex out of marriage, even if they can't pregnant. Evidence is evidence.
Now if she wanted a child for her self without being married, she could adopt, or have artificial insemination from a sperm donor or invetro fertilization, I dont think God wants you to have premarital sex just cause you want to raise a kid on your own.
Jewish marriage was different, and Mary remained a virgin. Best to leave her out of this.
Blah blah blah. Go home to your reform church. Don't you have a gay marriage to attend to, Whitton?
Stupid Jesus judge the woman that was about to be stoned. What did he say to the woman after the people dropped the rocks and walked away.
He is not a cult leader..I would be broke if I hadn’t listened to his principles about money
Dig deeper, she is not the only person who has been fired, just the first to stand up to him. She was fired for premarital sex not pregnancy. If so how do they monitor the sexual activities of the employees? We will see how this plays out. There is a YT video that covers legality and he did not handle a male employee in the same way.
Probably because firing for pregnancy is against federal law apparently whereas firing for stepping out of the moral code agreement might not be illegal. If she is naturally pregnant (not in vitro) and is not married, then the pregnancy proves she had premarital sex.
@@powers6253 Did she say how she got pregnant? What if she was raped? There is no law that says a woman must go to Police. It is difficult to prove date rape, and not every woman wants to go to court.
@@powers6253 But apparently the 'Virgin' Mary didnt have premarital sex. LOL
they found out she was pregnant and knew she wasn't married. not hard to put two and two together.
“His biblical principles” 😂😂. They aren’t “his”
Is it not his principal? Its what he believes in
They ARE HIS principles as an individual believes in his own individual thoughts. You misunderstood the context is all.
People keep repeating the same nonsense… if they said “his principles”, would you also say “pRiNcIpLeS aReN’t HiS” 🥴🥴🥴
@@rmercedes971 - no. Semantics lead to confusion. Its the LITERAL phrase - Its not the same meaning.
@@shill1444 No it’s not. You’d have to be pretty dense to not understand they meant his principles are based on the Bible, either that or just like trolling.
She refused the money he offered her upon separation. Sounds like she's looking for "deep pockets." She claims she didn't know about the policy, yet said she was "terrified" when she told them she was pregnant. Her story is inconsistent.
Not inconsistent. She probably thought they were going to call her stupid and yell at her. Not fire her.
She knew his views and probably signed something in agreement with the expectations of the firm. She knew what she was doing from the beginning. Every corporation has guidelines of conduct.
Guidelines at the workplace, yes. I'm aghast that Americans would consider it appropriate for an employer, to try and regulate their employees private life.
Shhhhhhhhhhh Just shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're much better off people that don't anything ever in life are so much better off.
@@raraavis7782 I hear your point, it's just that we just already know exactly what his company stands for at 1 million miles away and there are hundreds of thousands of companies I'd say 96% or more that are not at odds with her life choices where this would be a non issue altogether. Why bother working for one of the rare companies who hold specific values? If there's a company that asks for everyone to take off their shoes because of the owner's cultural norms but I'm not comfortable with that i'm just going to choose to work anywhere else in the world. I'm not going to work there, sign papers saying I understand, have company wide expectations known that we take off shoes when entering and then act shocked when they push back because I keep wearing my shoes inside. It's a small example but it really never had to be an issue in the first place, she knew where and who she was going to work for and how his personal values directly influence how he operates the company.
The basis of his business is biblical teaching on life and finances. He falls more in the category of missions. It’s no surprise he would have tight rules on employee conduct at work and outside work. You directly represent the company you work for to others in the world around you. It’s very similar to working for a retailer or service business and badmouthing it publicly outside work hours.
Name a missionary that's worth $200M.
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
Firing someone for sex before marriage is hardly a detriment to anyone's place of work. It's not immoral, it's discrimination. And we have actual US Labor laws to protect against that, FYI...
Biblical teaching includes FORGIVENESS. Many "good church people" are GUILTY of fueling the abortion industry through LACK OF COMPASSION.
His teachings on money are not biblical. They are mostly helpful reasonable, but they could as well be recommended by an atheist. He himself is a Christian and he sells his courses via the churches. Plus he is a control freak.
You’ve got to be kidding…She knew what she was getting into yet appears shocked..
@DQ10 Maybe she knew what she was getting into, but it's still unlawful and Ramsey will lose!
Whether I agree or not on what Ramsey puts in his contracts. Correct, it's called an employment contract. Maybe all the people on here should read some contracts that celebrities have to sign and you would say like, "holy bleep", like what! This is why contracts exist for me to benefit you in whatever way "I" expect the following from "you"....
@@otecomputer contract is illegal and now void,,,i expect a big payout for her
It’s still wrong. F him.
He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
There's no hate like Christian love.
I can’t believe he has 900 employees.
You made a contract. You broke it. End of story
Oh brother
@@isabelamogosanu7777 Is he wrong? lol
@@vinodhcashout6711 - this guy stinks!
@@isabelamogosanu7777 who stinks?
It's a creepy contract though.
After listening to this woman, I can see why she was fired.
Really?
Exactly. She is a sex addict. She ain’t even marries.
it broke me when she called me classless not when my one of her boyfriend pounding her without protection
In her defense Dave Ramsey is a shitty human being.
Really? Someday if you get fired for no reason and insulted in front of everyone, then you’ll understand empathy.
I wonder if having a credit card is a fire able offense
Why do these women go work for a group of people they know operate a certain way and then years late sue them after being on their payroll? Why not just don't work for such organizations?
Because Christian businesses will sometime look over morals for profits...be honest. Plenty of them talk out both sides of their mouths.
@@jacklong7048 If you are referring to the businesses, it’s hard to judge morals during the hiring process. Which candidate ever says they are not moral?
Come on now. Money.
It’s one thing to demand your employees abide by religious scripture, I mean it’s his company after all, but for he and his colleagues to demonstrate this remorselessness towards this woman doesn’t seem very Christian to me. I mean, the Ramsey show is supposedly all about providing those in a vulnerable position with empathy and hope… what happened to that?
The severance was the empathy
I think they probably were but the woman maybe nevered apologized and owned up to her behavior to them, so if someone doesn't see their choice as a "sin" in a christian company, why would they keep her on.
It would be nice to hear Dave's side
Alexander Terence ~ It's *him and his colleagues, not "he and his colleagues".
@@mcmlxii4419 Why has an asterisk infiltrated your sentence? Also, your erroneous use of a tilde vexes me.
@@Alex88148 The asterisk is used to indicate a correction. I'm a little surprised you haven't seen it used that way before. As far as the tilde is concerned, I have not used it erroneously -- it can be used wherever and whenever one wants to use it. However, "who" and "whom" cannot. They are NOT the same.
Did she sign something as condition of employment?
Even if it is in condition of employment. Is it lawful? Can you dismiss someone because they are pregnant in America? Should employment condition be abide by the law?
@Prey R i think thats what happened too. As a christian company if they dont hold people accountable, they arent representing a christian company. Maybe they were willing to give her another chance, but the fact that she didnt see her past choice as problamatic working for a christian company is where they couldnt keep her on. Its one thing to make a mistake, but not owning up to it when you know it breached the core values is another as well.
The No Orgasm Ramsey Clause.
@@eckankar7756 you can by yourself and you can if you're married.
@@redclayscholar620 ...what if you are married to a partner of the same sex??? Think 'marriage' will slide easily over the Ramsey human resource department unnoticed to gay married persons?
I love Dave. He helps so many people in so many ways. I am 61 and I remember a time where people debated whether it was acceptable or not to live with someone before marriage. Premarital relations was frowned on. This is about morals. Just because we live in an amoral world, does not mean that everyone has to abide by it. I like that someone has moral convictions and refuses to back down.
She is classless. Trouble waiting to happen. Dave's only error was not vetting her during the hiring process.
Better than I desrve.....Derrrrrr duh uhuh. Dave's a douche and a coward.
Am I the only one stuck on Dave talking about biblical principals yet cursing in front of his employees? Love this comment by another reader! Ha!!!!
It's his company he can run it the way he wants nobody made her work there. This is not Dave Ramsey fault
Do you think companies should be allowed to discriminate against black employees? You said it. It's his company. Nobody makes black people work there.
@@EDUAROSOLAS why does everything every single conversation have to turn into race with you people
@@jamiejones4276 i dont think you know what an analogy is lol
@@EDUAROSOLAS if a company did discriminate against black people 1. why would a black person want to work for that racist company? 2. The company would fail if people had an issue with its policy. So it’s perfectly fine to run your company how you want. If the public dislikes it then your company won’t do well.
@@andrewbeck9675 Jesus christ. You just set America back 200 years. We've already tried that in this country, and thank God it's now illegal to discriminate.
It IS stupid to go somewhere you don’t agree with there values. Not “GROSSLY” inappropriate. It IS “GROSSLY” inappropriate to fire this lady because she’s pregnant out of wedlock.
So no one speaks on the fact that it was with a coworker 🤔 😕 is that "grossly inappropriate" as well a conflict of interest? Especially if one holds a position of power within said company?
Dont work there
She wanted a job and a paycheck This religious rhetoric is stupid af
@@unknowntosociety01 She can get a job somewhere else then 🤷🏻♂️
She got fired for having sex without being married, not because she was pregnant. Her pregnancy exposed that she violated the company’s policies.
Well he can't fire you for owning slaves, since that is not a Biblical Principle.
No, but the Feds will come calling pretty quickly!
Guessing there is a lot more to this than she is telling. If she is 100% telling the truth, I may not work for that company if they tried to dictate my private life like that. But I still respect it, and still am a supporter of much of his financial advice.
When you sign the contract for the job you have to live according to the rules. You can get fired if your boss doesn't like your facebook post. Most religious organizations will fire you for moral failures. What the report mis interprets is she didn't get fired for being pregnant she got fired for moral failure according to her workplace guidelines.
I been done with Dave Ramsey, he regularly insults people even though his anti debt messaging is spot on.
I still use my credit cards 🖕🏾
You've obviously "been done" with the English language as well.
@@brian4180 he has a point Dave berates people on his show for making the same money mistakes he made. I understand his frustration because he genuinely wants to help people but sometimes he is a real horses ass
@@brian4180 sometimes people write in hurry too
@@christophercolumbus8944 Nope ... that wasn't it. Sometimes people mind their business ... try it.
0:11 “she was pregnant and not married”. Full stop right there! Dave Ramsey’s company and he sets the rules.
being pregnant, over 40, disabled etc are protected under federal law.
She got with a MARRIED male employee!!! A RADIO HOST!!! She had it coming, so did he.
Ah, is he the person who was not terminated until after she sued? Double standard there.
Yes if he worked for Dave Ramsay. Or he should have gotten the same treatment.
So is Dave going to stone the harlot for being pregnant and unmarried? That's Biblical
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
I'm not a Christian and I don't care if people engage in premarital sex, but I 100% support Dave's right to run his company however he chooses. He built it based on certain principles, and if you don't agree with him then you don't have to work there.
you sound like you were born yesterday and don't know anything about the law.
100% my thoughts on the matter!
The problem Dave will run into is the picking and choosing of who has to follow the rules. Chris Hogan was allowed to keep his job after multiple affairs if he took counseling. He had a book coming out that would make a lot of money for Dave so he was allowed to stay much longer.
Dave Ramsey can argue that the woman got fired for violating company policy that she agreed to. However, when there's a conflict between company policy vs. federal law, federal law always takes precedent. What will probably happen is the woman won't be hired back but may get some maternity leave compensation since federal law states that a woman has a right to it.
I listen to Dave's show and went through Financial Peace University. I would say I'm "Davish" in re to what I learned in the class, and I have a lot of respect for him. But if Federal Law says you can't fire a person for being pregnant then he may wind up losing this lawsuit. On the other hand it is his business and should be able to run it his way. He already lost an $80,000 lawsuit for firing someone because they're gay. He has this and one other lawsuit pending.
@@Vandicoup IDGAF about Federal Law. The Feds are the enemy and they hate us. Do what is RIGHT, regardless of what the law says. Think for yourself and don't let them push you around.
His companies he has the right... Move on.
Good thing Mary & Joseph weren't working for Dave Ramsey.
People know what they're getting into when they get a job there. With that said I do think people of faith should take a different approach when dealing with these situations. A private school in my area is known to kick girls out who get pregnant. If we want to see the practice of abortion phased out then we need to act like it. What do we think leaving a young girl educationless or jobless is going to do to her decision making when it comes to the choice of ending the pregnancy.
Yeah but his company is not considered a non profit or a faith based organization, he could make it that if he wanted to. He has no legal right to terminate people because of premarital sex, he runs a for-profit corporation.
So you are saying a junior high or high school full of pregnant girls is a good thing. Pro life and good morals go hand in hand.
That's exactly why the anti-abortion movement/"right to life" movement is nothing but hypocrisy and careless, reckless behavior towards women and minorities. If they won't stand up and openly discuss and campaign for Sex ED, financial support for broke mothers, food stamps, counseling, better insurance, better medical care, better and more accessible food and care for their children and families, etc, etc, then they never cared about the babies and their families. They are all only about control, tyranny and oppression. That's all.
That's why abortion matters so much. It gives all of these women in hard times a way to bounce back, a way to course-correct their broken, oppressed lives. To move onto bigger and better without the burden and hardship of a forced pregnancy, brought down on them due to an intentional ignorance of proper and safe sex and education by our system. It gives women more options. It's health care. This is an extremely personal decision that is meant only between a woman, her doctor and her family. Not the government. The government slows things down, the government ruins everything.
@@Vandicoup they got themselves into their situation and how many are happily fulfilled aborters? Would it be great if a dad didn’t want kids so he could take a hammer to their heads? If yes then I get your point. Why should a man be oppressed by a woman to take care of a child he does not want? Hypocrite
The way this intro is framed is hilarious.
Apparently every millionaire
is also "A Financial Guru"🤣
Pretty sure Dave Ramsey is the definition of a financial guru...
Calling him 'guru' helps their case/narrative; that's it.
@@su-mu How so?
Pretty sure Dave is a complete conman. Do what he says and see where it gets you!!! LOL Yeah ummm I didn't invest for 20 years and lived on beans and ryyyce so I could pay off my house. What?? I could have invested and I'd be up another 375,000??? Huh??? I mean ummm I don't I don't have umm. Butit's ok the walls of your house are made of steaks and sausage right. Just eat that!! Hang on someone's calling from my yacht that I got by conning all of you!!! :) :) :)@@Gibb591
If you're a guy, no one would know if you had premarital sex - married or not. Depending on what she signed when she was hired, she unfortunately doesn't have a case. If he was speaking to 900 people at that time, and didn't single her out, then she can't take it personally.
He doesn’t have to hire anyone he doesn’t want working for him
0:32 - HIS biblical principles? Christianity belongs to Dave?
Because Dave, like most Christians, cherry picks what's good and tosses the rest. So yes, his biblical principles. Really not as hard to understand as you're making it seem.
@@johndoe-ii1ko - I'm unaware of adultery being acceptable in any sect of Christianity? I'm guessing he should abandon this core belief simply bc he eats pork? Oh brother!
@@MikeThePike316 what about slavery, not eating shellfish, or wearing certain fabrics as described and promoted in the bible? Think Dave cares about those principles?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Again cherry pick what is cute and fuzzy, but ignore the dumb and ignorant parts. Cool, I'm sure God likes his book being watered down to what makes you tickle on the inside.
@@johndoe-ii1ko - So, you're cherry picking the Bible by focusing on the old testament? Kind of a weak argument considering that most of Christianity follows the new testament and abide by the ten commandments. Your gripe is with Christianity, not Dave for being a believer/follower.
@@MikeThePike316 Matthew 5:18
Every company I ever worked for had a code of conduct. Most included a statement to the effect of employees were subject to disciplinary action up to and including employment termination if your actions brought the company into ill repute. By accepting employment, you were subject to the code of conduct which was shared before accepting the job offer. I also don’t trust the reporting. How can we be sure that what he was saying on the stage was specifically about her situation. Could have been a general comment about behavior of those employed by the organization. Might have been, but this seems to have been purposely edited to make it seem to be about her. Wouldn’t be the first case of deceptive editing.
Code of conduct can’t break federal laws dummy
I would say firing a pregnant employee and immediately canceling her insurance brings ill repute upon DR.