Doc Harley Talks: Ignoring Starter/Primary Noises

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  • Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
  • This week Doc talks about not ignoring starter/primary noises
    #lowcountryhd #harleydavidson #docharley #motorcycles #primarynoises

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  • @tc223
    @tc223 Рік тому +25

    Doc, flat out you are one of the good ones. It's rare to find an experienced guy like yourself actually looking out for the OWNERS and not just the MoCo. Your advice is sound and your delivery is perfect. Don't change what you do, there's a ton of us out here that appreciate your time end efforts sincerely. Thank you!

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому +1

      I appreciate that. Thank you for your support….Doc

    • @usmcdoc2512
      @usmcdoc2512 Рік тому +2

      ​@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson I learn more from your channel and the service manual than I did at MMI. THANK YOU.

  • @millertime269
    @millertime269 Рік тому +23

    His concern for our motorcycles is awesome 😊

  • @eddiealvarez5493
    @eddiealvarez5493 Рік тому +8

    Here's a fine example in knowing what she is telling you! Live it and Learn. Thanks Doc for the tip.

  • @franksaxton3583
    @franksaxton3583 Рік тому +16

    I really appreciate videos like this so I hope you won't take my comments the wrong way. This situation is exactly why I do not let anyone change my fluids. I do it myself and have done so for 60 years. I am not one to ignore grinding noises and I always pay attention to the starter since it usually gives early warning signs when it or the battery needs to be replaced. This situation has obviously been going on for a long time. Longer than the oil change interval. You didn't say if the dealership does regular service on this bike or if the customer does it. Whoever changed the oil in this Sportster and didn't look at the drain plug needs to have his wrenches taken away fro him.

    • @adotintheshark4848
      @adotintheshark4848 Рік тому

      Absolutely. Anyone who rides, I don't care, from a Harley to a Honda, should be able to do their own maintenance on the bike. I've always done mine for nearly 60 years too. Also on my cars.

  • @genebulford8636
    @genebulford8636 Рік тому +3

    As we all know with out a doubt You are One of the Best, enjoy your week end Doc

  • @myride7216
    @myride7216 Рік тому +4

    Doc, thank you again. Hey Harley-Davidson, hire Doc to teach a class or two at corporate on what it means to represent a brand and help customers. Doc is the best!

  • @vinniebagodonuts9391
    @vinniebagodonuts9391 Рік тому +6

    Thank you again Doc Harley for the great knowledge and sharing your experience!

  • @outlaw6849
    @outlaw6849 Рік тому +2

    What an awesome way of putting it, you help everyone, and I mean everyone.

  • @dtork47
    @dtork47 Рік тому +9

    Always so helpful, thanks again Doc.

  • @doylehenderson319
    @doylehenderson319 Рік тому +5

    I know that you hate to be the bearer of bad news to the customer BUT just common since (and a good set of ears) would or should suggest that something is wrong with the bike. Keep up the great work and videos!!!!

  • @williwichtig9344
    @williwichtig9344 Рік тому +4

    Hi Doc, as a owner of a 2008 Nightster I say thanks for that important issue.
    Greetings from good old Germany ....
    Take care

  • @richardboggs260
    @richardboggs260 Рік тому +4

    Very good video Doc!!
    No noise will ever fix itself!!
    If you hear something you better fix it!!

  • @dannyboy9784
    @dannyboy9784 Рік тому +2

    Great advice Doc, you should always listen to your bike and for sure check the drain plug always.

  • @CATmanATL22
    @CATmanATL22 Рік тому +11

    Doc. I had almost had the same thing happen to my Roadking , but I didn’t here any noise . When I was changing all my oiles the oil in my primary had a silver tint to it but the plug didn’t have a lot of metal on it , so I changed the oil and put another 100 miles on it and looked again and it was silver . So I got my manual out and pulled the primary all apart and found the main clutch basket bearing had started to fail because the race on the shaft slips . If I didn’t catch that early in stead of $75 it would have cost way more . Pay attention to what your bike is telling you people ……..

  • @rexbaumgartner2011
    @rexbaumgartner2011 Рік тому +1

    I've been through 3 Dynas, 3 Softails, 3 Touring models and just picked up my second Sportster 1200. This Evo motor will last forever if treated right. Prove me wrong!

  • @jeffreygraf3358
    @jeffreygraf3358 Рік тому +3

    Thanks for your honesty.

  • @georgeparker7108
    @georgeparker7108 Рік тому +3

    Thanks for the great information Doc and keep up with the fantastic work.

  • @germangparedes
    @germangparedes Рік тому +1

    Great video! Thanks for teaching us the important things about our Harleys!

  • @royalelee7513
    @royalelee7513 Рік тому +4

    Well rub a little salt in my wound Doc. You see, my '85 big twin Evo started this very thing late last summer. Slow turning over, starter clutch letting go and free-wheeling, the grind occasionally. Did I park it immediately and address whatever the issue(s) are? No. I'll deal with it during the off-season. Tore up my shoulder in November and that ended my riding season. Had surgery in December, and now about to return to work and now I'm gonna tear into it and find out what's up and prolly pay some stupid tax of my own. I guess like Don Smith says, I deserve a big fat bill for whatever parts I need.

  • @roadglide1745
    @roadglide1745 Рік тому +1

    Learned a lot about SPORTIES. Big thumbs up

  • @scottlin777
    @scottlin777 Рік тому +3

    Great video Doc. It's a shame the owner didn't take care of this earlier

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому +1

      Yes I agree….but I have not walked in his shoes.So I will do my part to fix it….Doc

  • @talkingrock7011
    @talkingrock7011 Рік тому +5

    That’s terrible news for the owner , if you can even get all the part’s with supply issues

    • @3RDOOR
      @3RDOOR Рік тому +1

      I’m hearing that 😢

  • @michaelsweeney6596
    @michaelsweeney6596 Рік тому +2

    As always great information thanks, I have a softail and a bagger but great advice thanks

  • @rrvallance
    @rrvallance Рік тому +1

    Doc knows Harley, great video. Thanks

  • @justanotherviewer52
    @justanotherviewer52 Рік тому +3

    Yikes!
    Thanks Doc.

  • @trevorhall9524
    @trevorhall9524 Рік тому +2

    No warning from my 06 Dyna Wideglide when it dropped a Stator bolt, proved expensive.

  • @nickhildabridle1612
    @nickhildabridle1612 Рік тому +3

    Great Information

  • @goforitman1
    @goforitman1 Рік тому +2

    Thank Doc!

  • @ossiedunstan4419
    @ossiedunstan4419 Рік тому +1

    If you can find the parts in the first place , just rebuilt with a friend 94/95 dyna super glide, mots of my parts are no longer made bye the factory, I have had to source quite few non factory parts.
    Even had to get 2 parts engineered here in Tassie.
    You have been a great help.

  • @craigkemmerzell5741
    @craigkemmerzell5741 Рік тому +2

    Thanks Doc 😊

  • @schachat01
    @schachat01 Рік тому +2

    Thanks Doc👍🏻👏🇿🇦

  • @michaelsmartin5388
    @michaelsmartin5388 Рік тому +3

    more good advice for common sense people thank you

    • @gaknskk
      @gaknskk Рік тому +1

      The sad thing now days is common sense is not so common anymore

  • @larryc276
    @larryc276 Рік тому +3

    Good Advice

  • @kenkennedy5516
    @kenkennedy5516 Рік тому +1

    Top job…….keep these videos coming👍🚀

  • @alangerrard3548
    @alangerrard3548 Рік тому +2

    Well, that's certainly something to take notice of. Putting things off is never a good idea. Poor guy has a big bill coming. Thanks doc.

  • @premswarooppaul1109
    @premswarooppaul1109 Рік тому +1

    Superb. Very useful video. Thanks and best wishes.

  • @reddawg4152
    @reddawg4152 Рік тому +1

    You help alot of Us , Thank you...

  • @davidhodtwalker8546
    @davidhodtwalker8546 Рік тому +3

    Really don't like the fact that harley decided to move away from the transmission trap door. I think they did that in 2004. Used to be that you could service the transmission without splitting the case.

  • @wikeywikeywhick3852
    @wikeywikeywhick3852 Рік тому +2

    i would almost like to break down next to this dealership just to see doc talk about my bike..

  • @kcav5374
    @kcav5374 Рік тому +2

    Doc, I'm in a similar situation w/ my 92 sporty 883. I've been told it is a shifter pawl problem. I'll be bringing it home on a trailer rather than starting and riding it home so I can go into it.

  • @ronb1250
    @ronb1250 Рік тому +1

    Thanks a lot again for the good information

  • @margethatcher7042
    @margethatcher7042 Рік тому +3

    I really appreciate these vids.

  • @cisa1622
    @cisa1622 Рік тому +1

    Much appreciate this video mate.

  • @gremlyn1439
    @gremlyn1439 Рік тому +2

    I would also check the drive on the starter.

  • @tyturnswrenches
    @tyturnswrenches Рік тому

    Love the video buddy, brings back good memories

  • @stevenmaloney5293
    @stevenmaloney5293 Рік тому +1

    You were supposed to put the round uneven black washer in between the two pieces for the passenger floorboards. That's what makes them stay up and not loose either. Took me a minute to figure it out cause no I structions. You think for $240 they could include instructions

  • @michaelstrafello7346
    @michaelstrafello7346 Рік тому +1

    I call that the snow ball effect if you roll a snow ball in the snow it gets bigger and bigger

  • @gladston_souza
    @gladston_souza 10 місяців тому +1

    Fantastico!

  • @TheAngelzhizni
    @TheAngelzhizni Рік тому +1

    Great information, only thing it's missing is the actual sound. What sounds mean what?

  • @stevenlawrence2790
    @stevenlawrence2790 Рік тому +2

    I got an 03 HD xl883r with a bit of a hard shift with 1st & 2nd ..thinking it's the shifter paw, not sure.. Can't afford to take it in right now, hopefully fine for now..

  • @felixmasis3658
    @felixmasis3658 4 дні тому +1

    Great video, learning something every time, I Have a 2014 ultra Limited with only 7K miles, all Stock, only slip on muffler, start hearing a clunking sound in my primary, when cruising, every time when I give a little gas and release the throttle , I noticed when I was driving around 40mph, maybe in 4th gear, any Idea, your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  4 дні тому

      We appreciate you watching Doc Videos. My opinion if you have been using higher gears too soon on a 2014 with only 7K miles you might want to have a trusted Harley Tech inspect first your rear belt adjustment then all components inside your primary. Using higher gears at too low of MPH & RPM puts added stress on the primary components. I agree the motor sounds great loping along at a slow cruise….Doc

  • @haroldwiser2641
    @haroldwiser2641 Рік тому +2

    Wow!! 😳

  • @metricOIL
    @metricOIL Рік тому +1

    Good stuff! 👍

  • @johncasor9698
    @johncasor9698 Рік тому +1

    so what do you think was the real first problem here ??? battery so low it was making the starter grind into the gears ?? then it wore down the teeth of the surfaces contacts ??? then he just kept on using the bike and said oh well a little noise is ok when i start bike ??? and then it just got to the point that he had to bring bike to the Dealership ???

  • @gremlyn1439
    @gremlyn1439 Рік тому +1

    Does the 180 out from wherever damage hold true as similar to a flywheel on the car?

  • @MyMotorcycleObsession
    @MyMotorcycleObsession Рік тому +2

    The problem is... how much is a sportster worth? Maybe better to put it together and sell it as a basket case and buy a different bike.

  • @jmead6121
    @jmead6121 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks been looking for this information ..bc 3/4/5 times in 4 yrs my 2000 1200 make that Terrible starter Noise .......some other Sportster owner say ..O That's Normal .. I knew then & ever So More Now ..Its NOT ..Thanks Doc Harley ..ck my Drain Plug before next Start up

  • @jimdiavastes
    @jimdiavastes 10 місяців тому +1

    Doc, wish you would do a video on the M8 cold start tick (Hydrolic lifter noise?). This noise varies greatly between bikes in our HOG club. A new M8 Road Glide Limited in our group had severe tick thank lasted for Minutes not seconds at startup. After warranty tear-down, and dealer confab with the Harley Factory techs - the final verdict was "Run ONLY Syn 3" Amsoil Vtwin oil was the culprit. (What?) I contacted the Amsoil engineers and they cried Bologna! Now I see post that the tick may be carbon buildup on pistons on bikes with only 10K? My M8 runs amsoil and the tick lasts only 15-30 seconds on cold start. (I have an external PVC vent can on mine). What is the real story - and why with the M8 and not with the twin cam? They both have hydrolic lifters? Please do a video on this. Thank you

  • @chrisb2056
    @chrisb2056 4 місяці тому +1

    I'm getting a high pitched chirping noise from the compensator area on a 2012 electra glide cvo? Everything I've read on the comp is more of a rattle/ clunk noise. Chain tension does not seem off. Thoughts?

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  4 місяці тому

      My first thoughts are for you to check charging system. Why? If the Rotor and Stator are going bad a lot of damage can spread. Next the bolt that holds the Comp assembly tight is just starting to come loose. In any case, don’t wait for the rattle…..Doc

  • @kevinoconnor2921
    @kevinoconnor2921 4 місяці тому +1

    Never understood why H.D. went away from the "Trap door" inside the primary to access the transmission. Makes ZERO sense.🙄

  • @bluecollarbiker8005
    @bluecollarbiker8005 Рік тому +1

    Hey doc will the 09 and up rear rim and drive pully fit on a 07 these are street glide models. I was wandering because I was going to replace the stock comp. To a solid comp and was looking at the rims for rubber pads in the pully.

  • @RandyCRR
    @RandyCRR Рік тому +1

    Like they say”pay me now or pay me more later”

  • @chip9832
    @chip9832 Рік тому +1

    💯

  • @eggxeiber
    @eggxeiber Місяць тому +1

    Doc I have a 2005 fat boy and I change oil every year and I don’t ride to much but I have growing noise I check the primary chain and adjusted still have noise not have metal is like bearing liner worn or bearing loose , 2000 to 3000 rpm and down noise is there. Thanks … 🙏🏻

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Місяць тому

      Let me put my ear up to the internet
      🤔…..too many possibilities……Doc

    • @eggxeiber
      @eggxeiber Місяць тому

      @@LowCountryHarleyDavidson I know I’m so sorry , has to open the bike to check all bearings and something else, because no have metal derbis.

  • @adotintheshark4848
    @adotintheshark4848 Рік тому +1

    Just curious, can the Sportster transmission be removed once the clutch basket is removed, or do the cases have to be split? I think on the older ones it could.

  • @flexd1295
    @flexd1295 Рік тому +1

    Hi Doc thanks for your great videos about harley motorcycles. We have a 2005 sportster 1200 XL and always its hit a bump on street we hear a metal sound like from the front end or under the gas tank. We send to change the engine mount, front folk spring and oil, check the triple tree bering all nuts are well adjust, tank bolt adjust, kick stand ect and all look ok. We go to 3 diferent motorcycle shop and spend money in diagnostic on each one, one of them was a Harley dealer and no one find what make the noice. Any sugerence about that
    Thanks in advance for your help

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому

      I had one like that. Turned out to be the fasteners that hold the fender to the side plates that attach to the forks. Remove the fender and go on a ride ……Doc

    • @flexd1295
      @flexd1295 Рік тому

      @@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Thanks for try to help me. I remove the fender and ride its but still make the noice, look like from top triple tree or from front bottom tank. Any future segerence let us know
      Thanks againg for your help and keep doing your great motorcycle tutorial videos👍

  • @Sweetchilliheat18
    @Sweetchilliheat18 Рік тому +1

    I feel like I have like a Humm or low pitch whine coming from mine
    Any thoughts?
    My only guess was Maybe low primary oil

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому

      I would want to know the condition of primary adjuster and remove the primary cover to see if the starter gear is returning back all the way….Doc

  • @ClutchNixon
    @ClutchNixon 4 місяці тому +1

    I guess this concerns all Harleys, not only sportsters?

  • @lawnboyfromhell
    @lawnboyfromhell Рік тому +1

    Last Sporty I'll ever buy is a 2003, totally unimpressed that they took the trap door out of the primary, for what?

  • @ludo9234
    @ludo9234 Рік тому +1

    Personally id leave the stator as it was more than likely working ok. 6:14

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому

      That’s possible but I can’t afford a come back. Customers believe I should fix it for free…..Doc

  • @martincvitkovich724
    @martincvitkovich724 Рік тому +1

    Is the gearbox wrecked as well?

  • @desmendETKILLAZ
    @desmendETKILLAZ Рік тому +1

    So with my 2009 XL1200C I tried starting my bike when it died by running with it and popping the clutch in gear. I just ended up breaking something which I investigated to be the snap ring and retaining ring for the clutch pressure plate. The spring and clutch discs fell freely after pulling the cover off. I found at least one tooth on the part of the clutch that holds that to be chipped with scoring inside that general area. The pieces of the clip were large and mangled in the bottom of the cover. I wondered why I couldn’t get a proper clutch lever adjustment or why it wouldn’t change gears even with a new cable.
    And I still haven’t addressed why the bike died in the first place. I’ve just finished rebuilding the starter solenoid and will try to put that back on but the electrical plug that goes into the bottom part of the outside of the starter housing was filled with oil and I smashed the plastic on accident. No money to get a new starter so I’ve superglued the plastic pieces I could find and will try to silicone it in place when on the bike.

    • @desmendETKILLAZ
      @desmendETKILLAZ Рік тому +1

      I guess my question is if I use the bike until I can replace the damaged parts in the clutch basket and if oil in that starter button electrical plug (the one on the bottom of the starter housing)would cause the starter to not work?

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому

      Wow, times are tuff. Hang in there….Doc

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому

      Multiple things going on here. There has to be a reason the clutch clip came out. Can’t just get a new clip and ride off. Well maybe you can, I could not, knowing the clip could come out again right when I need it going through an intersection.
      If oil is coming out the connection, you maybe did not replace the thin o-ring in the starter clutch assembly. Oil can be a conductor and ground out the power coming to the starter. It’s got to be tough but stop……Doc

  • @objectiveriver2844
    @objectiveriver2844 Рік тому +1

    Got an 08 xl1200l had to replace a primary cover used a vtwin mfg cover and a James gasket kit i have had none stop issues chasing down a binding shifter shaft followed torque specs bolt patterns ,it shifts with the cover on but no bolts seated any idea what I need to look at?

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому +1

      A bent shift arm through the cover, a bushing that is not in all the way, shift arm assembly is no pushed in all the way…Doc

    • @objectiveriver2844
      @objectiveriver2844 Рік тому

      @@LowCountryHarleyDavidson shift shaft was fine on previous cover only switched do to a stripped out clutch cable thread, I'll check the items listed to make sure that there wasn't a issue during install thanks

    • @objectiveriver2844
      @objectiveriver2844 Рік тому

      @@LowCountryHarleyDavidson was a faulty cover from vtwin mfg had a warp in it

  • @marklubecke4854
    @marklubecke4854 8 місяців тому +1

    Why does this information not pertain to the other bikes. Seems like sound(pun intended) advice,
    for all the cycles.

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  8 місяців тому +1

      Each is built differently. IE big motors transmission is seperate vs XL. You are correct a noise not common should be addressed….Doc

  • @montanaguy
    @montanaguy Рік тому +1

    It is a shame that this motorcycle owner is so oblivious to what his bike is telling him. It is also surprising that his friends have not been influential enough to get him the help he needed, way back at the beginning of this issue. He deserves the big bill this will come to!

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому +1

      I don’t believe anyone deserves. I do not know the circumstances. Possibly low funds these days….Doc

    • @tc223
      @tc223 Рік тому +1

      With respect Don, not everyone out here is a "wrench". Exactly why when we're at the local bike night, it won't hurt to take a minute and try to educate someone who might not know the difference outside of "it starts vs. it doesn't start." Harley.... Americana, Freedom and all that wonderful stuff but at the end of the day, we're a family? Right? Hell em' out!

  • @thomasstevenson5367
    @thomasstevenson5367 Рік тому

    How many miles were on that Sporty?

  • @radiozvrk6784
    @radiozvrk6784 Рік тому +1

    I'm done with HD,after few sportsters and Riad king,newer again

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому

      Well I hope to see you down the road on what ever you choose to ride. We will miss you on this channel….Doc

  • @JCcanU
    @JCcanU Рік тому +1

    I have a starter going out on my 1340 , 8 year old battery went out , now the starter 28 year old starter .

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому +1

      JC they both had a long life…..Doc

    • @JCcanU
      @JCcanU Рік тому

      @@LowCountryHarleyDavidson I think its odd they both went out the same time Battery and 5 days later then the starter. I will add a New stator when i do the Starter .

  • @anthonylavallee4362
    @anthonylavallee4362 8 місяців тому +1

    If this stuff is news to you need a Harley manual!

  • @deplorableredneck4.02
    @deplorableredneck4.02 Рік тому +1

    If I when the lottery you will be my private mechanic 😅

  • @3RDOOR
    @3RDOOR Рік тому +2

    103 ✌🏻🇨🇦☕️❤️🎯

  • @MrMcbuck48
    @MrMcbuck48 Рік тому +1

    OUCH, looks expensive.

  • @vannigiovannigio8861
    @vannigiovannigio8861 9 місяців тому +1

    His neck veins started to show. Negligent owners irritates Doc.

  • @3percentmick705
    @3percentmick705 Рік тому +2

    $3000 bill for a $3000 motorcycle. Geez

  • @dieselsoggydog6299
    @dieselsoggydog6299 Рік тому +1

    Parts Bike For Sale.....

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому

      Nope! It’s a keeper 👍…..Doc

    • @dieselsoggydog6299
      @dieselsoggydog6299 Рік тому

      @@LowCountryHarleyDavidson My sister was an industrial production engineer for Harley Davidson at the KC plant back in the early 2000s when this bike was built. She gave me a tour of the production to these Sportsters. They cranked out massive amounts of these bikes as fast as they could (don't remember the exact number per day) around the clock. The quality control was an issue (sis job was to figure out how to improve this without slowing production), but selling a lot of low cost bikes was the goal. That is why I can't see putting that much money in that era of Sportster, unless you do the work yourself and make a custom chopper.

  • @frankp.9655
    @frankp.9655 Рік тому +1

    That Sucks

  • @kpnomad7
    @kpnomad7 Рік тому +1

    Can't just turn the key and go! Real cost of a bike includes maintenance going to be hard to spend the value of the sporty now to repair it! Rats!!

  • @thedimtenuk
    @thedimtenuk Рік тому

    Hello Doc Harley, I have that weird noise on a brand new bike. I believe it s the front wheel or transmission bearing. Please let me know if you have any idea as so far I have been told it s normal. Here s the video: ua-cam.com/video/5oNdFzGX1Ag/v-deo.html and thanks a lot!

    • @LowCountryHarleyDavidson
      @LowCountryHarleyDavidson  Рік тому

      Please Email me more details. How long have you been riding Harley-Davidson motorcycles? What was your brand bike before? How many miles on the bike? What changes have you made from stock?
      If you ride another brand before, if this is your first Harley, if the bike has less than 1000 miles, if you skipped the first service these and many other answers to questions can confirm your dealers answer or not.
      My other thought, ask your dealer if you can ride a bike the same as yours. Ride the same route as your video. (Record) then compare. If they are the same, trust your dealer. If different point out the clip in the recording…..Doc

  • @safelyanonymous5717
    @safelyanonymous5717 Рік тому

    Indian!!

  • @james6275
    @james6275 Рік тому

    Gritty is normal wear