They ALWAYS Do This When They Start Losing | Salt Mines #43 - StarCraft 2
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2023
- Welcome to Salt Mines #43! Everyone has encountered a salty or BM opponent on the StarCraft ladder before. Send in your funniest, saltiest replays to RateMyStarCraft@gmail.com with “Salt Mines” in the title + in the body of the email add your IGN & Rank & Why you think your opponent got salty.
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Man I love seeing people snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It takes real skill and effort to manage that!
Comeback wins are the best feeling in starcraft. Especially if theyre shit talking 🤌
Feels good
I'm really good at that in chess
Man alive, watching Veni fly all his Muta's to the enemy base, waiting outside, and then flying home for NO REASON while the enemy had no army was SO PAINFUL. Like there was what, 4 queens and 2 or 3 spores?
I was gonna play devil's advocate on this because 4 Queens and 2-3 Spores is actually more defense than Veni had against those Roaches but...
1: Only one Spore was up at the time of the retreat and it wasn't really guarding the Drones.
2: Veni just started banking gas for some reason? Coulda had ~6 more Mutas out by the time the Roaches got across and that would have handled that eventually.
3: Focused the Hatchery instead of the Roaches that were right in front of them, thus prompting the chase in the first place.
So uhhh.... yeah... I can try to argue he made a perfectly reasonable play by retreating, but only because he didn't scout, spend his money, or attack priority targets. All of which match the "I already won" attitude.
MonkeySpawnX looked disorganised with the apm drops, but he's actually so good he has been able to insert bong hits into his build order
Or did he Insert build order into his bong spree?
Holy jesus what a throw in that first game.
Love to see it when they throw the game then throw salt.
Go play Tetris !!!
99% sure MonkeySpawnX was in a different salt mines video too.
He definitely was, lmao
Episode #26 and #37!
For that first game, when he said, "u on 2 bases vs 50" Bingoking should have said, "I have a corner base" to mess with him. Great to see justice being served.
I think he meant 50 workers. but still that doesnt change anything
MonkeySpawnX seems familiar, I think he's visited the salt mines before! He has a point though, everyone knows only GMs build fighting units in Starcraft.
Yeah he totally has been on before. Good to see nothing has changed hahaha what a beauty
He’s a recurring character. He was 100% on another Salt Mines video
several times
Episode #26 and #37
@@matthewneski oh, twice?
The NA oracle is an oracle so late you’re not expecting it 😂 as an NAer I love this. NA like some kind of drunken master Jedi
About your theory: It's probably true that those people have nothing but winning in their mind. But I'd say insulting your opponent when winning comes from insecurity about how to end the game. You get a big endorphine rush when you think the game is won, two seconds after scary thoughts come like "how can i even end this" or "what if i still lose" but you immediately push them away and vent it out on your opponent instead to overpaint the insecurities
Just found your channel and this series and I might have a new addiction. I always enjoyed basking in the rage of gamerbabies, bathing in their tears and this really scratches the itch.
Ya know, when people get salty when vs the same race....it's like bro....that's the definition of skill difference.
Veni with a classic "chuck a zerg"
I've only ever been called a smurf once, but it's such a lovely compliment! I know some people are just salty, but when you know you're kinda shit, somebody saying you're way above your level is nice.
My internal monologue would be featured on this segment weekly if I ever let it come out.
That first game was honlesty hilaroius - for real!!
Man I feel so called out by that N.A. Halo comment sheeeesh lol
So satisfying first game
Rest In Peace family rat
Got my dose of funny salt. I think Hist should be the sub for sh!t from now it. 😂
I kinda wanna see salt miner episode, where both players start raging at each other.
Okay that first game is actually hilarious.
Would be cool to see prank series where a Pro gamer fakes to be a noob and after some time it is revealed to the opponent thanking for a good game and let them win.
I loved that Elder Scrolls reference haha
salt mine time baby
I think Veni lives for the wins, so when he thought he had it and then didn't, I bet that stung lol
Game 1: I just watched a master's league player play the build I stumbled into that got me out of silver league back in the day. 13 pool because I meant to 12 pool but reflexively made a drone, then as the pool finished I had 3 larva and 300 minerals so I made a queen and 6 ling, then it lined up to escort the drone to build the nat. That build got me from silver to platty, but then I couldn't do enough damage to that league with the 6 lings so I had to learn standard builds.
Anyways, I never expected to see a master league player doing it.
I can kill 80% of his base with my mutas... nah, I'll just ask him to leave, that's the play here
To the question of why or how, people can be so toxic in a winning position, most likely, that is how they talk to themselves, when they are losing themselves and probably that is how they were brought up, by their caretakers. Beating a person like this, in a videogame, is like ecposing bad parenting and that is both bitter and sweet. GG
bro shoutout to Bingoking. a legend
Saved me pig..needed some sodium
A cool thing about SC2 is that you can’t enthusiastically learn the entire game. If there was a perfect tutorial to teach you every detail about the game your eyes would glaze over at the 200 hour mark no matter who you are. If you ever do stop wanting to learn, yet keep playing, you become bitter. Because you “shouldn’t have to learn **that** stupid part of the game🤬”(whatever that frustrating part of the game may be). So to succeed you need to stay curious, imaginative, and humble. So many things in SC2 are simply unfair (for a modern game’s perspective) and the grit it takes to remain willing to learn is beyond almost all other games. “knowing what you know and what you don’t know” is crucial for as long as the average player plays. Most people stop from the burnout before they stop from because they mastered the game. That’s what’s so hardcore about SC2 to me
I hope that made sense i’m pretty sick rn sry
I find the mirror match salt to be the absolute best.
Thanks!
Above and beyond mate thanks so much for the support
Funny video 😀
Though to be fair, smurfing is pretty common now. But I don't accuse players. I just look at their match history when I'm suspicious, and often see a series of losses in one second long games Its sadly way more common than it should be 😢
Lol, what is it Aussie back handed comment Americans week? I just laugh, because, that's really how anyone from upside down land could think they'd insult an American. You know we don't care, because we don't live in Australia, but it's just funny to hear y'all talk low key trash like this. Love you, PiG. You're a cute lil upside man, and I love you.
This is MonkeySpawnX's 3rd time on Salt Mines
I haven't played SC2 since 2013, but how is it possible for someone to make it to Master league without using control groups? That seems so needlessly difficult.
Honestly, if you just have a build order and can Macro decently, getting to master's isn't too difficult.
And you get actual Pros, people who make the average grandmaster player look like their in platinum league, who don't/barely use control groups, instead reyking on boxing units very rapidly and keeping the game a bit chaotic to shatter other more "standard" players.
There are actually some grandmaster players who don't use control groups.
Veni was right about Bingoking not winning. It's more like Veni lost when decided not to go kill Bingoking with mutas at 9:00.
I just love to see bad sportmanship people lose!!!! such a good feeling!!!!!
great as always, but I must say that it indeed looks like smurfing. you already noticed it at the opening. one doesn't have to be pro for smurfing, it can be also plat who play vs bronze...
The NA oracle 😂 didn’t know that was a thing, but I’m American so what do I know lol.
"Go play Tetris."
I would, but youd just lose harder there kid. ;)
after seeing TAP grinds, go play tetris feels like a compliment
Tetris beats rock paper
god I wish bingoking had dropped the "xd" after "go play tetris"
How do you get to master without control groups
i agree with your theory
Under-human is a slur. I'm an untermench, thank you!
1st game was schandenfreude overdose
VeNi definetly is still ruminating about that match. While playing Tetris.
Damn. First game all he had to do was dive those mutas into the natural and he would have won. Easily remove half the economy, and then he'd never have had to face that many hydras, assuming the game didn't just end. But nope, lad decided to be a coward and pretend he had a contain.
the last game was a smurf though, 70 apm lead and an actual build order in bronze is a smurf. my paltinum eu acct after 7 years of inactivity only decayed to silver.
It's tough to identify a smurf from gameplay. Match history makes it obvious though. When they rack up 10 defeats or more in a row in an hour, that's someone auto leaving games.
Pig, I know you say smurfs aren't common, but I beg to differ, and they were in fact the reason I moved on to other games. Here's how I came to that conclusion: I didn't worry about my losses, instead I looked at my "wins" from people leaving at match start. When anyone did that I checked their match history. If they had giant losing streaks in not a lot of time then that's a smurf. More than half my "wins" were to auto leavers. If that's the case then it stands to reason that smurfing has become a "everybody does it" thing which makes it self reinforcing, and that a similar proportion of my losses were to smurfs.
At that point I figured I was in the minority by playing honestly and had two options: "When in Rome..." or move on to other games.
10 defeats in a row isn't necessarily smurfing, I've gotten 10 defeats or more because I decided I want to play SC2 at 2AM after being out drinking, or after not playing any games for two weeks, or just decided to play a 'dumb' strat on my main account to see if it can work, need to take a look on the build order tab for a few games to decide
RuFF??????? that's a name i haven't heard in a long time......a long time........
Probably masters bug. My friend and I play 2v2 all the time, we D3. The last 2 wipes he accidentally started without me, quit immediately, lost and got put in masters.
How do you get to masters without control groups
cheese can take you very far
I am so bad at this game, I cannot even start playing lol.
SALT SALT SALT! SALT SALT SALT! SALT SALT SALT!
Calling someone a neckbeard is such a redditor insult, goes along with the smurf complaints
I mean has veni watched pro tetris players? They have serious skill
"Who hurt you?" is such an unimaginative and at this point old response. Mix it up, ask them "Who stole your candy?" or "Do you still hope anyone will ever love you?". Tell them to repeat it in spanish or ask them where they live. Honestly even "no u" is fresher.
seriosuly? u left a fucking comment to complain about what someone said in response to a rager? lmao
Poor argonians, getting shit on even in Starcraft.
I’ve played many competitive games and they are all fairly toxic in their own regard. However, RTS games are the upper echelon of toxicity. It just attracts the worst kind of human on earth. I was talking to a friend who’s diamond in LoL and I asked if it was as bad in LoL as it is in other games and I referred to the amount of times someone has “hoped I got cancer” and he was like like “wow the amount of times people have told me that as well is insanely high”. Horrible, horrible people.
As someone who has played LoL a lot, LoL is about as bad as it gets (other than, apparently roblox games but let's not talk about that).
LoL both creates an environnement that encourages flaming a lot by being very competitive and relying on teammates to win ( which means 1) You always have someone to blame for things going wrong 2) you increase the odds of someone bad being in the game by having a lot of players 3) you create a lot of frustration when losing can happen because of something you have no control over) AND it has a lot of downtime leaving player time to express their frustration, in particular when they're losing cause dead players don't have much else to do than talk in chat anyway.
It's like the perfect cocktail to cause as toxic an environnement as possible. Deciding to stop playing that game has been the best decision of my life and has genuinely improved my mental health noticeably. It's that bad. (and I'll not go into the in game mechanisms that make the game itself addictive meaning you're likely to play it way beyond the point where it isn't fun anymore)
I wish you would have at least acknowledged Red was smurfing hard in game 2. Blue was terrible at the game, but isn't that why leagues exist?
To be fair there does come a point where someone staying in an obviously lost game is itself bm, and I think that kind of sort of maybe warrants a question mark or something, but veni's game was not to that point yet (clearly since he ended up losing), and you can tell he was just on the edge of his seat ready to start gloating.
As a player who plays at the Asia server in diamond 2, and seeing apm of 250-350 every game from my opponent, i have to agree. Smurfing isn't a problem. They are probably just super weak in the mirror matchup with their 5-10% winrate and 80+ in the other two.
And that every 5:th to 10:th game, the opponent just leaves before 5 sec, yeah, i do agree.
:)
(That Masters douche losing, aaah, that felt good, i really dislike the early ggs:ers) :D
Just played two games on my break at work.
Got smurfed Twice!
Yeah, i bet they are just super weak in mirror match ups, and the problem isnt so big.
Smurfing is the problem with sc2, not balance.
EDIT: And when i called him out on it, he told me my mother should die this year.
Yes, the game killing they are (yoda)
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XD
FINALLY FIRST ONE
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I am so sad somebody so toxic shares my nickname
to be fair with the pvp rager, it is quite infuriating when you're ranked gold or low plat and you play a few games in a row vs diamond+ players. not to the point of insulting the other guy, but to the point of just stop playing right away. i tried to play a few weeks ago after like 6years. played all my games vs plat player while being ranked silver. i just got fucked so bad every times that i don't plan replaying anytime soon.
GAY!
Not entirely, true. The numbers to saturation do not exactly tell you the income distribution model... 2 drones per node of material is best... Optimal saturation, and then there is Full Saturation which is time, to node is 0.1