This is how far too many Missourians, south of St Louis talk. It is nearly impossible to maintain a sense of compassion for these folks, the majority of whom are self-termed MAGA members. They are the loudest when it comes to discussing topics about which they know nothing.
@@lbourrou They take EVERYTHING that remotely confirms their flat Earth delusions (Firmament and gravity isn't real are deadsure identifiers of a Flathead), regardless how much they will accuse the source of being unreliable in any other context. Preferably half lines and random arbitrarily picked sentences, while the next paragraph debunks their whole claim already, effortlessly.
Red Hot Chili Peppers are one of my all-time favorite bands, but not at all because of the lyrics. Anthony writes some of the dumbest lyrics I’ve ever heard in my life, and a lot of them are just non-sequiturs. Does this guy also believe “Alderaan’s not far away?”
That is not what worries me. What worries me is that when presented with evidence and data that disproves their argument they won't re-evaluate or concede they were wrong. Intransigence is the problem
an amazing number of people seem to make this mistake. its like what an idiot pictures skepticism means. i have a number of friends and family like this. textbook dunning krueger.
I hear this argument more often. How quickly do people forget about Star Trek? This is a direct quote from that show, that is indeed fictional, like this argument.
Christ, I can't take it.... no pieces of meteors in craters? Does this guy understand how destruction works? Has he ever seen a military weapon? Is he expecting giant chunks of meteor laying in the center of the crater? GYSERS???? I almost wish I was this stupid, I bet life is more enjoyable.
Why is it that these people who almost certainly failed their middle school science exams now think they know more about science that the entire population of the world's scientists?
Fun fact to explain why 2 objects fall at the same rate is if you have 2 things, one weighs 1000 times more then the other, gravity effects the more massive one more, but it also musters 1000 times the inertia as the lighter one. Thus they fall at the same rate.
@@ironsausage808I'm not a scientist but that doesn't make sense. Gravity affects both objects equally, and the reason they fall at the same rate in a vacuum is because there is no friction of gas in the way of the objects. I.e. no resistance. Inertia is the measure of the tendency of an object to stay in motion, right? Maybe I'm missing something but what does that have to do with dropping a feather and a bowling ball in a vacuum? it's still a property of these things, but i dont see how it's relevant to demonstrating gravity
@@twilightparanormalresearch186 Yeah I've seen a few online flarfs over the years who came to their senses, some even started posting flat earth debunking videos after.
Which religion tho. Cos there were no atheists in rockets in apollo days. And the only non *coff*lam people doing that are people who are otherwise batshit insane that someone needs to label.
its absolutely fucking terrifying how many grown adults never passed 3rd grade science then ended up having confident takes about the universe and spread them around as facts, breed, and vote. i hate this place.
It's a pretty powerful demonstration of the destructiveness of blind faith in concepts from religions. There appears to be a frightening large worldwide conservative movement that is trying to drag us back into the middle ages.
The world (especially the U.S apparently) is full of magical thinkers,conspiracy theorists,false guru worshippers and woo brained gullible-ists of every type imaginable,its not just the internet to blame, but the intense egoic desire to be Certain about anything.....
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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” (Isaac Asimov]
@@irrelevant_noob No it's the perspective of the other 194 countries who unanimously say that the USA has a population of soft brained individuals. Speak to anyone who has met a American travelling abroad and they will say the same thing. American tourists are dumb as dirt. They come to France and ask where Buckingham palace is. They go to India and ask why they don't celebrate American independence day. They go to UK and are amazed by how good our English is. Americans still think English is their language even after 200 years. All this would be a funny joke if it was only a few of you but it keeps happening time after time. There are entire channels of UA-cam dedicated to people talking about the times Americans say stupid things to them as if they were smart questions. American education system is broken.
Half of Americans are ignorant that in truth they live in a "Federal Constitutional Republic," and Democrats believe they live in a Democracy, if Democrats want to live in a they will have them? The Tunguska event was a large air explosion and never impacted Earth, between 3 - 50 megatons, you were quick to see her lies on that one. It flattened an estimated 80 million trees. A meteor air burst is called an impact event, the object is thought to have exploded at an altitude of 3 - 6 miles, rather than hitting the earth's surface, leaving no impact-crater. I can see you are Fact-Checking this woman who clearly, is not telling the truth? The chief difficulty in the asteroid hypothesis is that a stony object should have produced a large crater where it struck the ground, but no such crater was found. Then she says "It blows out a massive crater," she is welcome to go look for it, but it has never been found, I agree with you, she is as ignorant as they come. She makes it up as she goes along it is a shame she doesn't study the truth then she would gain knowledge instead of believing and not knowing.
Jason: There's no need for gravity Matt: Why does this pen fall? Jason: Because it's more dense than the air. Matt: Why do more dense things fall? Jason: Because dense things go down (towards the Earth which is also dense). That IS gravity.
Well it's not because of the air, it doesn't matter if the object is more dense than the air. You could have the lightest thing on Earth, and it will still be pulled down by earth's gravity. You need something that physically moves an object upwards, through buoyancy or propulsion. Helium is buoyant, while propulsion is kinetic energy, which can be in the form of me throwing a pen upwards, jumping, or rockets moving a spacecraft upwards.
Density/buoyancy: Take a plastic bottle. Drill a tiny hole into the bottom, so that compressed air or CO2 or nitrogen connected into that hole, say via a pipe from some CO2 canister, produces bubbles. You might want a tiny hole in the cap, causing only a minimal or no water leakage but relieve overpressure. Take a camera setup that allows you to record the bubbles rising inside at a reasonable FPS so you can clearly see and measure the bubbles rising. (You may want to tape a gopro to the bottle or set up a few still cameras vertically or even have someone video the bottle with a tele lens from a distance - the details do not matter, only the ability to see the bubbles rise properly does.) Now, having prepared that, have the bottle drop from a ladder, an open window, the leaning tower of Pisa, launch it using a sling or twirl the bottle using a twine or rope and let go of it, use a fall tower or the vomit comet (parabolic flight) or go to space … again, does not matter as long as you can observe the bubbles relative to the bottle and where up and down is in relation to the bottle. You will observe that while the bottle is essentially in free fall, the bubbles will no longer rise. Yet they should - they are way less dense than the water. They will rise again as if nothing happened once the bottle stops being in free fall - on a parachute, landed on the ground, or even accelerated in some centrifuge. Explain to me why the bubbles stop observing density and buoyancy under these circumstances.
@@chris82z1 _Incoherent electrostatic acceleration_ Incoherent static word salad proves nothing. Faraday cages block electrostatic fields, so inside a Faraday cage everything floats? Or when you touch a grounded connection, you float? You need to start thinking … not parroting! _gives buoyancy and density its vector._ And why is it not a right and left vector?
When Erica mentions the meteor event we caught on film, I believe she was talking about the Chelyabinsk meteor in 2013, not the Tunguska event, which happened in 1908.
She spoke without stopping so if it was a written paper, she did a runon sentence which is why it got jumbled... I think. My IQ lowered listening to the caller.
I think both Chelyabinsk and Tunguska were airburst events with no identified crater. Tunguska was big enough that the trees were radially blown away from the hypocenter of the explosion but I dont think there was a crater with a meteorite sitting in it.
Did he just argue that space exploration in the sixties looked like it was shot in the sixties while the footage taken from more present space exploration looks far more modern? Well, that’s me convinced.
Yes he did. Even without the footage, "Our understanding of space and what we imagine it looks like is affected by the perceptions of the times we live in." Like, no shit.
5:28 if there’s a solid firmament above the Earth that separates the waters, and there are holes to let the rain through, why does it never rain above the clouds?
Yes this happened. We have the geological evidence. Go to any museum you will find 64 million year old dinosaurs that saw it happen. This guys stupidity wiped out T-Rex.
It's hard when the uneducated are half of the vote. The Republican party is extremely anti-education. This is done in order to keep its followers easy to manipulate. President Reagan really started this ball rolling in a big way back in the '80s, and tied it in with Christian evangelism. The kid in this video was the product of this movement: dumb and evangelized.
I don't know why you would think this is *purely* an American education problem 😐 Flat Earthers are *ALL OVER THE WORLD* , we have them here in Germany/Europe *too* , and they *ALL* have the *exact same* fucked up "logic", reality and way of "thinking".
The US has a problem, but it's not alone in this regard. It blows my mind every time I hear an Australian voice yammering about gods (especially 'our God of the Bible') and flat Earth and anti-vaccine bollocks.
I met my first flat earther in the wild this year. I was actually speechless,😶. What I politely discovered about this man was that he was very religious and has no formal education.
@@julief5291 Jason actually disproves your claim regarding our educational system. He is being given tons of factual information that back scientific claims as to the nature of our universe, however he chooses not to believe it.
@julief5291 yeah. They can be homeschooled, private schooled, and just taught nonsense. Very impactful-- life altering at a young age. And here we are.
Not to mention the Chelyabinsk meteor. Not only was it caught on dozens of cameras, the Russians even made Olympic medals out of it for the 2014 games.
I have to admit I am as far from a fan of Russia as it is possible to be, but that is the coolest thing I’ve read in a while. I would literally physically ruin my body to win that medal. I need it!
@@MisterRorschach90Why bring politics into it at all? Like people have to constantly excuse themselves before mentioning anything related to Russia. It’s stupid, like saying “Oh I don’t like Russia and I don’t support it but lake Baykal is very pretty”
I think Erika was conflating tunguska and chelyabinsk, I'm not aware of any footage of the tunguska event. She described people filming the meteor and their windows breaking (which I know we have from chelyabinsk) and also described the impact site of tunguska (the knocked over trees). I also believe the chelyabinsk meteor exploded prior to impact.
I'm pretty sure the Chili's line about space and Hollywood basements is more about nihilism regarding the future of human beings. Our hubris in thinking that we can travel beyond the stars like Star Trek. I don't think it's about the moon landings.
That is willful ignorance, afaik. It isn't always bad either; one only has one lifetime to spend learning, so one has to set priorities. I am truly ignorant about how many planets circle the star Sirius. I am okay with that. I am also willfully ignorant about the grammatical structure of Swahili. I am also okay with that. I do not claim to know how many planets circle Sirius and do not call in to shows about Swahili grammar to say they got it all wrong though; there lies an important difference with many callers.
I think he is just a person who believes every word in his Bible and discards any evidence to the contrary. Blinkered people like this really annoy me. I wish they had pointed out that the Bible says owning slaves and beating your wife was ok and ask him whether he believes that.
For some real humor, you should see an argument between two flat earthers. Especially those involving a retard named Nathan Oakley or Quantum Eraser. It's like a couple of 3rd graders arguing who would win in a fight between Superman and Shazam.
“For me, the fact that there’s a rise of flat-Earthers is evidence of two things. One, we live in a country that protects free speech. And, two, we live in a country with a failed educational system,” deGrasse Tyson said. “Our system needs to train you not only what to know but how to think about information and knowledge and evidence. If we don’t have that kind of training, you’d run around believing anything.”
A lot of people blame education. But I don't know if it should get all the blame. Yes, the US education system has it's flaws, especially since "Outcome Based Education" and "Common Core". My Russian wife told me that in Russia kids spend hours every evening doing homework; they hardly have time for anything else. When I was in high school, I hardly spent any time at all doing homework. And when I was in elementary school, the grading scale for a "A" was 93 and up. For a "B", 85-93. "C": 78-85. Or something like that. I think they need to raise the standards for passing, and make the material more difficult. Also, flat-earthers don't just exist in the USA. There are a lot in UK, Australia, and other parts of the world. I believe flat earth is a psychological problem. These are people who WANT to believe the earth is flat. They want to have this rare knowledge that only they, and a few others, have. It makes them "elite" that only they know the "truth", and everybody else is a brainwashed/indoctrinated sheep. Deep down, most of them know the earth is a sphere. But they reject facts and logic when it is explained to them, because they WANT to "believe" in flat earth. As evidence of this, check out their reactions to "The Final Experiment". TFE is an event organized by somebody who is going to pay for a glober and flat earther to go to Antarctica in December to observe a 24 hour sun. Flat earthers claim a 24-hour sun in Antarctica is impossible on a flat earth, and claim it will not happen in Antarctica. They also acknowledge that if the 24 hours sun occurs, it is evidence for a globe. Since the TFE was announced, flat earthers are running around like ants whose hill has been fucked with by a kid. They're already trying to discredit TFE by saying even if a 24 hours sun is observed, it won't falsify flat earth. Obviously, they have no confidence in their belief, and they know that after December, the jig is up for them.
I don't have a problem at all with free speech. An educational system that taught critical thinking and the correct way to amass and view evidence would cancel any repercussions from free speech
@@RoguePhysicist You're not wrong about the motive behind beliving in flat earth but american education really is bad. The funding for schools is based on local taxes so you get places teaching kids with 20 year old books and one teacher for too many kids.
@@jamescarpenter7161 Ooh, those are the exact same bogus talking points that are passed around in the Baptist church I attend. Whenever I ask for evidence that this ever happened, I get shocked faces. But...But ...nobody in our group ever asks us for EVIDENCE that what we are saying is true!!! (And, no, I am not a Baptist. I'm just curious about the beliefs of my friends & neighbors. Nice people who are planning to vote for people who are not nice at all, because this lying slop gets served up to them on a daily basis.)
@davidbelway6076 Thinking and questioning is what built the Wright Brothers' plane, but it was faith that got them in the air. Just saying "faith" is a bit ignorant. If you meant religious faith, you should say so - even then, you're claiming to know what you don't really know, so you're using faith as much as your critical thinking.
Do you seriously think the plane flew because they wished into the air? Ignorance is thinking that there is more then one meaning of the word faith. The context is what you're talking about and that doesn't change the meaning. I have to say that your reply is the very dumbest one I've heard all year. lol That's laughable that it wasn't physical law being manipulated, but it was their faith in magic that got them to fly. omg you idiot. the water in your head maybe really muddy but it doesn't cloud my view of reason
@@hayuseen6683 motivation comes from desire and need. Hope is a more truthful way of using the word faith. Curiosity comes from intellect and a need to know and understand, that's why we created science. Faith has nothing to do with discovery, knowledge and understanding. Do I use faith to know the light will come on if I hit the switch? No I have the knowledge of how electricity works. don't need faith I the light doesn't come on it because of one of 2 reasons that are demonstrable.
The hosts are indeed unsane. They have been brainwashed into spacetardia and globetardia religious orthodoxy, and think they stand in science when they stand in pseudoscience bullshit.
😘 Dear Matt and Erika, Thank you so much for your valuable contribution to helping people think more logically! Dear Matt, I discovered you on UA-cam in 2018. You spent many, many hours in my ears and in my mind. You accompanied me through my sabbatical in Australia and the following years back in Switzerland. I sympathized with your other listeners when your heart was struggling and hoped we would enjoy your presence for many more years. Of course, I donated a few francs (dollars) here and there to help keep your fridge stocked. No one has hit the nail on the head quite like you. It did me a lot of good. But you also made me a bit more aggressive in my thinking. Occasionally, you verbally annihilated people who were either not intellectually up to par or were dogmatic and completely clueless. While this was fun at first, it became less so over time. Today, I returned to listen to you again. You've become milder. I love it! I think this way you'll reach even more people because they won't go on the defensive but will listen better and hopefully think along with you. Thank you, Matt! And thank you, Erika, for your valuable contribution in helping us all move beyond medieval thinking! Best regards from Switzerland, Reto
As a European who has visited the United States many times I think it has THREE basic problems to address: Too many CHRISTIANS Too many GUNS and Too many CHRISTIANS with GUNS 😜😜😜 !!!!!
I'd contend that there are too many people that call themselves Christians, and not enough Christians. At best they only follow the parts of the bible they like, and they don't behave in any way like there is a God watching. The whole thing has just devolved into tribalism.
I tend to think that most Christians do not believe this flat-earth silliness and that they understand the bible for what it is, a story book, not a scientific treatise not a historical treatise.
@@diarmuidkuhle8181 Yeah, they totally lack that understanding. But then again, density is mass per volume, and mass can be measured from an inertia experiment, so it does not need gravity. Buoyancy generally needs gravity, but by Einsteins equivalence principle works in any accelerated frame (a helium balloon goed backwards inside a braking car, for example)
Do we not realize gravity is a theory that has never been proven by any scientist bc if you could prove it then you would win a Nobel Science Prize. Also most people who talk about gravity have no idea they are using a term with 2 Separate definitions : one being objects falling towards center of earth and the other dealing with for example the moon which is supposedly in earths gravitational pull but doesn’t fall towards earths center.
Caught that one too.Just watched a doc about Tunguska and in it was a similar type of guy who said it was aliens shooting down an asteroid and saving earth.
Lol, that's an awesome idea! I'll have to check when there's one coming to a town near me and go for a day of entertainment, and a bit of an ego boost!!😅👍
Painful ignorance, stupidity from this caller. This is inexcusable with the scientific knowledge, facts, evidence we have today. " I'm not an expert" he got something right.
I understood everything when he said "Oh, I'm very skeptic! More than most...Eh? The bible? No, it's the word of god! How dare you!" It's not just painful ignorance, it's painful brainwashing.
7:15 i wasnt aware of any film of the tenguska event in 1908 ?..and no crater was found as it explosed in the air.....so im confused at her saying this ? any follow up corrections ?
Jason, I have crossed the Atlantic from the Netherlands to Texas on a ship... I can guarantee you that A) the Earth is NOT flat, and B) water doesn't stay flat...
Actually, the bigger craters don't have meteorites in side, since they generate so much energy during the colision that they vapourise themselves, and the rock around them in the shock wave. At one time they thought that they might find the meteorite at the centre of the arizona meteorite crater, and they dug a mine, but found nothing. It wa futile anyway, since craters are always round irrespective of what angle the meteorite enters with, because of way the shock wave develops, so if the meteroite does remain, it could be literally anywhere in the crater. Incidentally, they didn't have footage of the tunguska event, only photos of the damaged trees afterwards - there wa sno actual crater, since it was actually likely an air burst where the friction wit the air heays the meteor and causes the meteor to vapourise in flight in a large explosion, which is what caused all the trees to be pushed over. The Chelyabinsk meteor in Siberia in 2013 was also an air burst meteor, but much smaller, and when looking for the meteor, they only found many, many tiny meteor fragments in the debris field under where the meteor exploded. Because the ground was covered in snow, they would hunt for small holes in the snow, and then dig down to find the meteor fragments, as if people had thrown a handfull of gravel up in the air above some snow.
If you've ever seen a sunset/sunrise. If it ever goes dark at night where you are. Congratulations, you live on a globe. On a flat earth the sun could never ever set, therefore it would be daylight 24 hours a day.
They say the sun acts like a spotlight, so the "sun" can be above the plane but only light up one area. And yes, I know we see the sun go over the horizon, that doesn't deter them either, they have a bizarre idea of how perspective works.
Technically there is no sunset/sunrise. The Sun does not move (relatively), the Earth is spinning and orbiting the Sun. It should be called Earthset and Earthrise. I concede this concept is a little challenging for a flat Earther. So best not go anywhere near gravity is a result of the curvature of space and time. Honestly if someone if so wilfully ignorant we should ask them to sit in a corner of a room and colour some drawings in.
@@marasmusine some of them do claim that spotlight bs. My response to that is always: Imagine a torch in dark room on a ceiling shining down. Would you really NOT be able to see the torch itself? Of course you would!!
@@marasmusine Even if it was a spotlight, that still doesn't explain what we see. Nor is that how light works. It's like they just say the first thing that comes to mind without thinking about it.
omg Erika's face at "you don't need gravity" But seriously, "you don't need gravity, just density" . . . DENSITY. IS. NOT. A. FORCE. My god flat earthers are exhausting.
@@happyhappy85 No but it can be treated as one in most cases, because objects moving according to gravity act as if a force is acting on them. This is why Newton's law of gravity is still useful even though general relativity is the superior theory on gravity.
@@jkuhl2492 yeah I agree. It's a pseudo-force. We got to the moon using Newton's theory of gravity, so obviously it does work to think of it along those lines. Point is that flat earthers are dumb. They just don't like the word gravity because it kills their "model" dead.
When I first started doubting, what really blew my mind was that God separated night and day before creating the sun. That was so blatantly wrong and that the writers didn't understand basic things we understand today.
@@nobody-qt1pkThe light on Earth came first from two giant lamps and then a part of the world got light from two trees. It’s all in The Silmarillion! Eru Illúvatar is the one god and J.R.R. Tolkien is his prophet!
While I’m not defending the Bible as I am questioning all that myself right now. That one has an easy answer. God himself was the light. In revelation it claims heaven has no need of the sun cause the God is the light. Stands to reason God could have been the light for a few days
@@adamthiry868 fair point, however it doesnt say in the beginning let there be me. God said let there be light and that was the first day. If God is eternal as the bible suggest then the first day wouldnt be God speaking himself into existence.
The thing so many non-skeptics don’t get about skepticism is that when there IS sufficient evidence to reach a conclusion, such as the spherical earth, you SHOULD accept that conclusion.
Sure, accept it, but only within the boundries of what the evidence supports. For example, Newtonian gravity works for everyday use cases, but relativity is needed when you step outside the bounds of what it can predict.
Or, they aren't imaginative enough - they can't imagine a spherical, rotating earth so it can't possibly exist. They can't imagine how man could have landed and walked on the moon, so it didn't happen happen. The list just goes on and on.
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt "they aren't imaginative enough" THIS! They are not imaginative enough to comprehend that their virulent contrarianism can and should be used against them: against their belief that they have "property rights" or "voting rights".
@niblick616 It's now believed to have been a comet rather than an asteroid, and it was in too remote a location in Russia to break many windows. But Erika is correct it leveled trees for miles.
"I'm not an expert on this issue at all." If he had simply made this statement and then hung up he would be lauded for his honesty. But he just had to keep talking.
If he had listened to what he was being told, and taken it on board, he would have been similarly lauded, but he's incapable of accepting it because it doesn't align with his wildly mistaken mental model based on conspiracies and lies.
@@alanevery215 The Problem of Evil is an issue that only causes tri-omni gods to be logically impossible. As they're described as having the want to avoid suffering (omnibenevolence), the means to avoid it (omnipotents) and the knowledge of how to avoid it (omniscience). Any other god that doesn't have those three characteristics isn't affected. If you want examples for non-tri-omni-gods, you could start with the Norse, Greek and Roman pantheons as European examples. Bust most gods are non-tri-omni-gods as far as I am aware.
@@Leith_Crowther Not "good, powerful, knowledgeable", but specifically all-good, all-powerful and all-knowledgeable. Given limitations (when all- or omni- is lacking) on the deity, suffering might be unavoidable in specific circumstances. But those limitation do not apply to gods that are merely powerful, knowledgeable and powerful.
Why do I get the Hitchens flashback with almost any caller trying to prove god? “You strike me as someone who has never read a single argument against your position ever” Do they just randomly slither out of the caves with no memory or what?
They come up with contrived ad hoc explanations for everything. The fact that those explanations make no sense and are not supported by any evidence and sometimes contradict each other is of no concern.
"Occam's razor negates gravity" has got to be the wildest thing i have ever heard.... not only his the called not sceptic, i would posit he barely classifies as rational, with all the mental gymnastics he has to make... Also, the easiest way to explain a helium ballon rising, is to remind them that the air around it is also being pulled by gravity, and since the air is denser than the balloon, the air is pulled with higher force and displaces the ballon.
Well people use Occam's razor erroneously saying the idea with least amount variables is most likely true. When it should be the one with the least assumptions is most likely true.
I feel like this guy is speaking the voice of many who were groomed as children not to question the church or the bible, but every other religion or belief must be questioned aggressively. He came in with nothing but determination to squint his eyes and winkle his face and believe what someone told him to if he really loved them, and to never actually investigate the world.
@TheSolo1papi yeah right? I'm scared of people who dare to even question the High Priests of mainstream academia. It's socially unacceptable in our society. People are supposed to just blindly believe the current consensus of mainstream like a religious text. So anyone who dares question positions like Heliocentrism (for Cosmology) need to be ridiculed and excommunicated until they stop questioning, get in line with the rest of us, and blindly believe the current consensus of mainstream academia like a religious text.
Can I suggest something, when someone says "density" instead of gravity, the best experiment to explain it is to consider a vacuum chamber. Putting a pen in a vacuum shows that it goes down even with nothing around it. And putting a helium balloon in a vacuum chamber (will make it expand) but in a big enough chamber (if the balloon rubber is strong enough to hold the pressure of the helium) will still fall down, proving that a helium ballon is pulled down by gravity.
The question of the shape of the Earth is one of geometry. Only a geometric proof is proof the shape of the Earth. Celestial navigation and equatorial mounts for telescopes are implicit geometric proofs that the Earth is a sphere. This caller repeated all the usual flat-earth tropes. Most of them are bad secondary logic. Most of them take the form, "If the Earth is flat, then B cannot be. B is, therefore B is false, therefore the Earth is flat." Flat earthers generally have not passed high school geometry class. Someone who doesn't have a high-school understanding of geometry is not qualified to opine on the shape of the Earth.
"Thank you for demonstrating denseness" has to be the line of this conversation after the caller saying "Occam's razer means we don't need gravity, just density". To funny.
@Gutsick Gibbon Just a slight error. The Tunguska meteor event wasn't the one caught on film. Yes, it was the one that flattened ~80 million trees, believed to be a 5-10 km air burst, hence no definitive crater, and occurred in 1908. (Edited, see reply from a smarterer person, 🤦) The one caught on film was: "The Chelyabinsk meteor was a superbolide that entered Earth's atmosphere over the southern Ural region in Russia on 15 February 2013. It also was an air burst type of event.
@@johnrap7203 I just remembered Dan Aykroyd in Ghostbusters mentioning "the Tunguska blast of 1909". When I went to verify it it turns out he got it wrong in the movie by one year LOL
I do love that Matt qualified it as "scientific illiterate flat-earther" to spare the guys feelings, I guess. Pretty sure a "scientific illiterate flat-earther" is just a regular flat-earther.
As soon as someone claims the Earth is flat, you know they are (a) ignorant of Math and Physics and (b) basing their beliefs on the Bible regardless of evidence. There is no point in arguing with them. They are irretrievably lost. Let them be. All that happens if you continue a dialogue with such fools is that you will become frustrated and depressed that they can be so impervious to reason. Fortunately, there are plenty of humans who ARE rational, and dialogue with THEM is more fruitful and uplifting.
I've had conversations with a bunch of them, and was only able to convince one one time. So it's not impossible to reason with them, just REALLY FUCKING HARD.
I was kinda shocked by the one time I was able to convince a guy, I just showed him distortion-free video of the curve (a lot of high-altitude footage IS fish-eye and shows an exaggerated curve, so I showed him a video with a natural curve) and showed a video of the sun maintaining angular size, which doesn't make sense on a flat earth. He was like "huh I guess you're right." I was shocked that he was able to follow basic logic and spatial reasoning since that's an extremely rare trait with flerfs. He probably wasn't too deep down the rabbit hole though.
@@theultimatereductionist7592 Just as the dome over the Earth doesn't exist either, nor could their possibly be a god so stupid as to create one, except in the minds of fools with zero intuition about reality due to zero knowledge of math or physics. Even as abstract concepts, the dome and their puny little dome-maker flat-earth god are worthless and laughable.
Arguing with a christian or flat earther about their delusion is like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory. If christians are offended by the word delusion, quite frankly - tough - wake tfu.
@@paulrichards6894 There is at least once the expression "the four corners of earth", and that means nothing, expect for very dumm flat-earthers. There is also Matthew 4.8: "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor." and that means very little, expect for very lazy litteralists. And so on. The bible is not a book of science, and you can use it to say everything about science. Or everything about anything, by the way.
I spent 4 years working at the European Space Agency working alongside the Remote Sensing division who were literally collecting tens of millions of earth images from space a day. I spent years on a satellite launch and watched its launch in minute detail for hours. That Hollywood crew must have been busy.....
7:05 I think Erika is referring to the Chelyabinsk meteor of 2013 that was caught on numerous dashcams, phones and security cameras. Tunguska was back in 1908 in the middle of Siberia. But the main point being that meteors do occur. Jason is just another stubborn kid happy to live online within misinformation spreading echo chambers, who is unwilling to honestly examine what he claims to believe.
@@birdieerdie2349 Yep. Agreed. These flat earther's are contrarians in general. My goal was not to criticize Erica, but to highlight the Chelyabinsk event so that people could go watch the videos for themselves. She was correct that the Tunguska event broke windows and knocked down trees. I just haven't seen any evidence that it had been caught on camera. But yeah, nuh uh tends to be their standard rebuttal :)
Do schools not go to science centers anymore? I've seen and touched pieces of meteorites while on a field trip when I was 8, but this guy made it to adulthood thinking there's no such thing. That's a wild level of ignorance.
The gravity vs density chat was amazing. Religious studies has so much to answer for. It has no business being taught as fact in schools. This guy is the result.
@@eleycki they barely got into gravity/density, did you know they found that the downward vector changes around thunderstorms? It’s due to the electrostatic charges produced in the air, that’s the other part to relative density, electrostatic acceleration- from earths incoherent(changing) electric field neg at ground- 100volts+ every meter up. This accelerates everything down at certain rate- hence affected around thunderstorm also hence why bowling ball at feather at same rate. it’s an acceleration
@@eleycki I’m saying we don’t need gravity to calculate the downward vector you can calculate it using simply relative density and electrostatic acceleration (caused by earths electric field) I know because when you manipulate these two parts of objects-it changes the rate at which it will fall, even change direction.
My greatest frustrations in life are manifest in trying to reason with people who: 1. incessantly lie and interrupt to talk over me, making excuses for refusing to entertain facts, realities, and ethical ideals they don’t have. 2. are proud of their arrogance, malevolence, bullying, hatefulness, and ethical and moral bankruptcy. 3. rabidly vilify, hate, ostracize, harm, and shun others who are different only because they are different. 4. take pleasure in destroying lives, inflicting pain, suffering, and hardships on others they disapprove of. 5. refuse to take responsibility for the negative consequences of their actions, always blaming others. 6. cannot distinguish between reality and imagination, confidently pretending to know they are intimate with an imagined reality they cannot possibly know or be intimate with. 7. insist they are divinely entitled to forcibly micromanage the lives of others.
That's exactly their aim, to frustrate you. I really don't think most of these people actually believe what they're spouting, it's a game they play like bratty children.
@@SaintJermania I hope you're right, because I just can't stand such willful ignorance. Learning new things - especially science related, is one of my greatest joys - which makes people like that appear to WANT to stay in a personal hell or are just unaware (aka - ignorant, once again) that life has so much more to offer.
That red hot chilli peppers comment could also be interpreted as Hollywood has created many a space story that have inspired people to work together to make space travel a reall
I love the "I'm not an expert, but i know more than every scientist on the planet"
He's a "skeptic" you see.
But god is definitely real!
Hilarious
"My ignorance is as good as your knowledge"
"I'm dumb, but I don't know it."
This is how far too many Missourians, south of St Louis talk. It is nearly impossible to maintain a sense of compassion for these folks, the majority of whom are self-termed MAGA members. They are the loudest when it comes to discussing topics about which they know nothing.
@@saicharand7765Motto of most Missourians south of St Louis.
Gotta love when a fundamental Christian and flat earther says “I’m a very skeptical person” LOL
Somehow they're only skeptical of everything NOT found on Facebook. 😂
They seem to mistake contrarianism and science rejection as skepticism.
Yeah, they're skeptical of basic facts and reality.
More skeptical than *any scientist* too!
It's because they LITERALLY don't know what that word means.
Jason: “I’ve never seen an asteroid”
Also Jason: “The firmament exists cuz I read it in a book.”
the Spider-Man analogy comes to mind
Come on. Be fair with the guy: a Red Chili Pepper song is, according to him, confirming his beliefs. You can't argue with that :D
@@lbourrou They take EVERYTHING that remotely confirms their flat Earth delusions (Firmament and gravity isn't real are deadsure identifiers of a Flathead), regardless how much they will accuse the source of being unreliable in any other context. Preferably half lines and random arbitrarily picked sentences, while the next paragraph debunks their whole claim already, effortlessly.
@@lbourrou I loved this clip. We need to be reminded these people exist.
@@danno5805 Yes, they did. YOU didn't and you don't matter.
If we live under a dome why don't we feel the Earth shake before it snows?
@@waskele.wabbit717 Easy, it has a fault because the dome we live on was ordered on Wish 👍
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
That would make our planet a snow globe!
Rosebud!
This caller actually hurt my brain. The ignorance is astounding! He actually used an RHCP song lyric to confirm his belief in a lack of outer space.
That's how much knowledge he knows then using lyrics of a song
Red Hot Chili Peppers are one of my all-time favorite bands, but not at all because of the lyrics. Anthony writes some of the dumbest lyrics I’ve ever heard in my life, and a lot of them are just non-sequiturs.
Does this guy also believe “Alderaan’s not far away?”
it took weight off my shoulders from the 2nd hand air headedness hearing this guy
The bassist Flea does not believe in outer space, but only because he believes in nussing, Lebowski!
@@bradpreston7779I don't think AK would think his lyric could be used to deny that satellites exist. Or that the earth is spherical.
Erika: What's your evidence we haven't been to space?
Jason: well there's this song by RHCP...
@@paulgowler5181 particularly young Earth then
They say Catholic schoolgirls rule...and they do. So there's that.
I know I'm convinced...
"Space may be the final frontier but it's made in a Hollywood basement" - Dani California, RHCP
"You are engaged in fractal wrongness. You are wrong at every conceivable resolution."
I may be an atheist, but that was a BIBLICAL burn.
@@CelticApollyon
Hell is jealous of the heat thrown 😆
Hell fire!
@@Noise-Conductor That was Matt fire, much hotter and burns much longer then hellfire.
FRACTAL WRONGNESS, what a great phrase!!! I am gonna use it all the time for these god folks
Hell the pit of fire can’t cause the burn that did
Why is ARROGANT IGNORANCE such a huge thing in the last several years? It is baffling, astounding and dangerous!
That is not what worries me. What worries me is that when presented with evidence and data that disproves their argument they won't re-evaluate or concede they were wrong. Intransigence is the problem
Jason believes that 'skepticism' means to believe what he wants to believe and reject what he doesn't want to believe.
skepticism = question everything except for the things i believe
It's impressive that he has managed to reach the literal polar opposite of scepticism and still think it's scepticism
“I’m skeptical of things that I don’t understand that have been proven by science”
an amazing number of people seem to make this mistake. its like what an idiot pictures skepticism means. i have a number of friends and family like this. textbook dunning krueger.
10:00 He’s right, asteroids are the result of god accidentally dropping a light on the firmament. You know, when one is broken and needed be replaced.
If you ever find yourself quoting a Red Hot Chili Peppers song to justify your worldview - maybe take a step back and think a bit longer.
This gives me troll vibes tbh.
And has he already forgotten that the Russians were the first in Space?
I hear this argument more often. How quickly do people forget about Star Trek? This is a direct quote from that show, that is indeed fictional, like this argument.
Maybe reconsider your whole worldview!
Minor correction quote *mining*
Which is to say if you consider the context of the song its clear the song is referring to movies and tv shows
"I'm not an expert on this issue at all" - Hey, he fullfilled his flat earther honesty quota. Props to him!
Christ, I can't take it.... no pieces of meteors in craters? Does this guy understand how destruction works? Has he ever seen a military weapon? Is he expecting giant chunks of meteor laying in the center of the crater? GYSERS???? I almost wish I was this stupid, I bet life is more enjoyable.
Why is it that these people who almost certainly failed their middle school science exams now think they know more about science that the entire population of the world's scientists?
@@themachine5647 Na it wouldn't be a better life. All would be a big fog of unknown and you'd be afraid of others.
Fun fact to explain why 2 objects fall at the same rate is if you have 2 things, one weighs 1000 times more then the other, gravity effects the more massive one more, but it also musters 1000 times the inertia as the lighter one. Thus they fall at the same rate.
@@ironsausage808I'm not a scientist but that doesn't make sense. Gravity affects both objects equally, and the reason they fall at the same rate in a vacuum is because there is no friction of gas in the way of the objects. I.e. no resistance. Inertia is the measure of the tendency of an object to stay in motion, right? Maybe I'm missing something but what does that have to do with dropping a feather and a bowling ball in a vacuum? it's still a property of these things, but i dont see how it's relevant to demonstrating gravity
I love that one of his arguments was a red hot chili peppers song. I mean... has he looked st flea?!?! 😂
I love that he based his argument on music lyrics.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
George Carlin
YES!!! I use this quote all the time!!!
Good to see I'm not alone. Good day, fine person.👍
And they vote 😢
@@teresaamanfu7408 I feel you there…
Didn't Frank Zappa have a similar quote ?
Give me another one of them, that was real good
The second that someone reveals they are a flat earther is the nanosecond the conversation should end. There is no debate to be had.
That’s fair, but it’s still funny to listen to thier idocracy.
Well I’ve seen a few (not online) actually then start questioning their own beliefs in a flat earth
@@twilightparanormalresearch186 Yeah I've seen a few online flarfs over the years who came to their senses, some even started posting flat earth debunking videos after.
@@Phoennix3 To be fair these people could easily prove that the earth is definitely flat if they went to the edge and fell off.
@@Phoennix3 that’s right when Jason got up to go to the bathroom!!!lol lol
Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings.
Sam Harris quote?
Wow, that's the pithiest, most concise take I have heard in a looooong time. I can feel the burn
Let Jesus take the wheel.
but he's a horrible driver..
Which religion tho.
Cos there were no atheists in rockets in apollo days. And the only non *coff*lam people doing that are people who are otherwise batshit insane that someone needs to label.
I never argue with deliberately ignorant people.
its absolutely fucking terrifying how many grown adults never passed 3rd grade science then ended up having confident takes about the universe and spread them around as facts, breed, and vote. i hate this place.
It's a pretty powerful demonstration of the destructiveness of blind faith in concepts from religions.
There appears to be a frightening large worldwide conservative movement that is trying to drag us back into the middle ages.
The world (especially the U.S apparently) is full of magical thinkers,conspiracy theorists,false guru worshippers and woo brained gullible-ists of every type imaginable,its not just the internet to blame, but the intense egoic desire to be Certain about anything.....
Five topics to fix society via discussion:
-Anti-natalism vs Natalism
-The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs
Three things are necessary for human evolution which are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care
-Platinum rule
Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same
-MBTI (research yours and connect with others)
-Art (pick one and get better at it!)
Many states don't have any science classes before 6th grade.
It's not surprising that we have scientific illiteracy in the USA.
Passing a course doesn't mean you actually accept the information. This guy in his "skepticism" would say school is just mind controlling.
"Im not an expert on this at all" might be the only correct thing this dude said the entire call.
Not just "I'm not an expert", but he also basically said "I haven't seen a meteorite in a crater, therefore craters aren't caused by meteors"
Well, he did correctly quote the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Although he completely misunderstood the context of said quote…
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
(Isaac Asimov]
Ignorance is one of the biggest assets in USA
@@jaymareachealee3351 from the 1%'s perspective, you mean... 🙄
@@irrelevant_noob No it's the perspective of the other 194 countries who unanimously say that the USA has a population of soft brained individuals. Speak to anyone who has met a American travelling abroad and they will say the same thing. American tourists are dumb as dirt. They come to France and ask where Buckingham palace is. They go to India and ask why they don't celebrate American independence day. They go to UK and are amazed by how good our English is. Americans still think English is their language even after 200 years.
All this would be a funny joke if it was only a few of you but it keeps happening time after time. There are entire channels of UA-cam dedicated to people talking about the times Americans say stupid things to them as if they were smart questions.
American education system is broken.
Half of Americans are ignorant that in truth they live in a "Federal Constitutional Republic," and Democrats believe they live in a Democracy, if Democrats want to live in a they will have them?
The Tunguska event was a large air explosion and never impacted Earth, between 3 - 50 megatons, you were quick to see her lies on that one. It flattened an estimated 80 million trees. A meteor air burst is called an impact event, the object is thought to have exploded at an altitude of 3 - 6 miles, rather than hitting the earth's surface, leaving no impact-crater. I can see you are Fact-Checking this woman who clearly, is not telling the truth?
The chief difficulty in the asteroid hypothesis is that a stony object should have produced a large crater where it struck the ground, but no such crater was found.
Then she says "It blows out a massive crater," she is welcome to go look for it, but it has never been found, I agree with you, she is as ignorant as they come. She makes it up as she goes along it is a shame she doesn't study the truth then she would gain knowledge instead of believing and not knowing.
The further away from the Bible and God America gets the deeper and more depraved becomes.
"where are these falling rocks coming from?"
i was hoping he would say "a giant threw them"
Jason: There's no need for gravity
Matt: Why does this pen fall?
Jason: Because it's more dense than the air.
Matt: Why do more dense things fall?
Jason: Because dense things go down (towards the Earth which is also dense).
That IS gravity.
Well it's not because of the air, it doesn't matter if the object is more dense than the air. You could have the lightest thing on Earth, and it will still be pulled down by earth's gravity. You need something that physically moves an object upwards, through buoyancy or propulsion. Helium is buoyant, while propulsion is kinetic energy, which can be in the form of me throwing a pen upwards, jumping, or rockets moving a spacecraft upwards.
Density/buoyancy:
Take a plastic bottle. Drill a tiny hole into the bottom, so that compressed air or CO2 or nitrogen connected into that hole, say via a pipe from some CO2 canister, produces bubbles. You might want a tiny hole in the cap, causing only a minimal or no water leakage but relieve overpressure.
Take a camera setup that allows you to record the bubbles rising inside at a reasonable FPS so you can clearly see and measure the bubbles rising. (You may want to tape a gopro to the bottle or set up a few still cameras vertically or even have someone video the bottle with a tele lens from a distance - the details do not matter, only the ability to see the bubbles rise properly does.)
Now, having prepared that, have the bottle drop from a ladder, an open window, the leaning tower of Pisa, launch it using a sling or twirl the bottle using a twine or rope and let go of it, use a fall tower or the vomit comet (parabolic flight) or go to space … again, does not matter as long as you can observe the bubbles relative to the bottle and where up and down is in relation to the bottle.
You will observe that while the bottle is essentially in free fall, the bubbles will no longer rise. Yet they should - they are way less dense than the water. They will rise again as if nothing happened once the bottle stops being in free fall - on a parachute, landed on the ground, or even accelerated in some centrifuge.
Explain to me why the bubbles stop observing density and buoyancy under these circumstances.
Incoherent electrostatic acceleration gives buoyancy and density its vector.
@@chris82z1 _Incoherent electrostatic acceleration_
Incoherent static word salad proves nothing.
Faraday cages block electrostatic fields, so inside a Faraday cage everything floats? Or when you touch a grounded connection, you float?
You need to start thinking … not parroting!
_gives buoyancy and density its vector._
And why is it not a right and left vector?
Why does the more dense thing go in the direction of the earth? Why not left or right?
When Erica mentions the meteor event we caught on film, I believe she was talking about the Chelyabinsk meteor in 2013, not the Tunguska event, which happened in 1908.
Exactly my thought. Tunguska was also in a really remote area with few inhabitants.
She mentioned Tunguska because of the part where he said we never find meteorites in the crater
She spoke without stopping so if it was a written paper, she did a runon sentence which is why it got jumbled... I think. My IQ lowered listening to the caller.
I think both Chelyabinsk and Tunguska were airburst events with no identified crater. Tunguska was big enough that the trees were radially blown away from the hypocenter of the explosion but I dont think there was a crater with a meteorite sitting in it.
@@FloridatedH2O There is no crater because it was a giant explosion from the direction of the impact but in 2013 they did find a meteorite.
Did he just argue that space exploration in the sixties looked like it was shot in the sixties while the footage taken from more present space exploration looks far more modern?
Well, that’s me convinced.
Yes, one of the best arguments outside of his RHCP lyrics. 🥴
Yes he did. Even without the footage, "Our understanding of space and what we imagine it looks like is affected by the perceptions of the times we live in." Like, no shit.
Yeah technology has not evolved and improved???? Man think it through before you say it.
5:28 if there’s a solid firmament above the Earth that separates the waters, and there are holes to let the rain through, why does it never rain above the clouds?
Caller: “I’m very skeptical. I’m more skeptical than scientists.” me: “ get him Matt!”
Jason is so dense if he fell, he would make a giant crater.
Nice one.
Yes this happened. We have the geological evidence. Go to any museum you will find 64 million year old dinosaurs that saw it happen. This guys stupidity wiped out T-Rex.
Neutron star density
He’s so dense there is a genuine risk of a singularity forming around him.
A Black Hole exists between his ears.
Fix your education system, USA.
It's hard when the uneducated are half of the vote. The Republican party is extremely anti-education. This is done in order to keep its followers easy to manipulate. President Reagan really started this ball rolling in a big way back in the '80s, and tied it in with Christian evangelism. The kid in this video was the product of this movement: dumb and evangelized.
Unfortunately this is rife in the UK and many other countries.
I don't know why you would think this is *purely* an American education problem 😐 Flat Earthers are *ALL OVER THE WORLD* , we have them here in Germany/Europe *too* , and they *ALL* have the *exact same* fucked up "logic", reality and way of "thinking".
It’s getting worse, not better.
The US has a problem, but it's not alone in this regard. It blows my mind every time I hear an Australian voice yammering about gods (especially 'our God of the Bible') and flat Earth and anti-vaccine bollocks.
I met my first flat earther in the wild this year. I was actually speechless,😶. What I politely discovered about this man was that he was very religious and has no formal education.
I ts a problem. Another guy came on talking about 1 x 1 = 2
The more I hear stories like Jason the more I realize how flawed the American education system is!
@@julief5291 Jason actually disproves your claim regarding our educational system. He is being given tons of factual information that back scientific claims as to the nature of our universe, however he chooses not to believe it.
don't blame the education system, you can lead a horse to water...
@julief5291 yeah. They can be homeschooled, private schooled, and just taught nonsense. Very impactful-- life altering at a young age. And here we are.
No, the Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe. Their words 😄
@@BH-fi1sb It's no coincidence the vast majority of flat earthers reside in the US..
Not to mention the Chelyabinsk meteor. Not only was it caught on dozens of cameras, the Russians even made Olympic medals out of it for the 2014 games.
I think she means the Chelyabinsk meteor, I don't think any trace of the actual Tunguska object has ever been found.
I have to admit I am as far from a fan of Russia as it is possible to be, but that is the coolest thing I’ve read in a while. I would literally physically ruin my body to win that medal. I need it!
@@MisterRorschach90Why bring politics into it at all? Like people have to constantly excuse themselves before mentioning anything related to Russia. It’s stupid, like saying “Oh I don’t like Russia and I don’t support it but lake Baykal is very pretty”
I think Erika was conflating tunguska and chelyabinsk, I'm not aware of any footage of the tunguska event. She described people filming the meteor and their windows breaking (which I know we have from chelyabinsk) and also described the impact site of tunguska (the knocked over trees). I also believe the chelyabinsk meteor exploded prior to impact.
@@malkasten We have to make sure everyone understands where we stand politically before we comment!!
There's a red hot chilis song called Californication that says "First born unicorn" ......therefore unicorns exist.
Prove me wrong.
I will take that challenge! You will hear from me once I've got something!
@@Dalendrion 😀
Imma name mine Unipony. I'm pumped just thinking about it.
I'm pretty sure the Chili's line about space and Hollywood basements is more about nihilism regarding the future of human beings. Our hubris in thinking that we can travel beyond the stars like Star Trek. I don't think it's about the moon landings.
I’ve seen pictures in a book and heard stories about them. I also spoke to a man who definitely saw one once.
True ignorance is not the lack of knowledge but the wilful refusal to gain it.
That is willful ignorance, afaik. It isn't always bad either; one only has one lifetime to spend learning, so one has to set priorities.
I am truly ignorant about how many planets circle the star Sirius. I am okay with that.
I am also willfully ignorant about the grammatical structure of Swahili. I am also okay with that.
I do not claim to know how many planets circle Sirius and do not call in to shows about Swahili grammar to say they got it all wrong though; there lies an important difference with many callers.
No, it's stupidity.
@@csjrogerson2377Well, yes it is.
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt Well, no its not.
That is deliberate ignorance.
Flat earthers make me weep with frustration.
Same 😒
They are the worst
I think he is just a person who believes every word in his Bible and discards any evidence to the contrary. Blinkered people like this really annoy me.
I wish they had pointed out that the Bible says owning slaves and beating your wife was ok and ask him whether he believes that.
For some real humor, you should see an argument between two flat earthers. Especially those involving a retard named Nathan Oakley or Quantum Eraser. It's like a couple of 3rd graders arguing who would win in a fight between Superman and Shazam.
They are an embarrassment to our entire species
“For me, the fact that there’s a rise of flat-Earthers is evidence of two things. One, we live in a country that protects free speech. And, two, we live in a country with a failed educational system,” deGrasse Tyson said. “Our system needs to train you not only what to know but how to think about information and knowledge and evidence. If we don’t have that kind of training, you’d run around believing anything.”
A lot of people blame education. But I don't know if it should get all the blame. Yes, the US education system has it's flaws, especially since "Outcome Based Education" and "Common Core". My Russian wife told me that in Russia kids spend hours every evening doing homework; they hardly have time for anything else. When I was in high school, I hardly spent any time at all doing homework. And when I was in elementary school, the grading scale for a "A" was 93 and up. For a "B", 85-93. "C": 78-85. Or something like that. I think they need to raise the standards for passing, and make the material more difficult.
Also, flat-earthers don't just exist in the USA. There are a lot in UK, Australia, and other parts of the world.
I believe flat earth is a psychological problem. These are people who WANT to believe the earth is flat. They want to have this rare knowledge that only they, and a few others, have. It makes them "elite" that only they know the "truth", and everybody else is a brainwashed/indoctrinated sheep. Deep down, most of them know the earth is a sphere. But they reject facts and logic when it is explained to them, because they WANT to "believe" in flat earth. As evidence of this, check out their reactions to "The Final Experiment".
TFE is an event organized by somebody who is going to pay for a glober and flat earther to go to Antarctica in December to observe a 24 hour sun. Flat earthers claim a 24-hour sun in Antarctica is impossible on a flat earth, and claim it will not happen in Antarctica. They also acknowledge that if the 24 hours sun occurs, it is evidence for a globe. Since the TFE was announced, flat earthers are running around like ants whose hill has been fucked with by a kid. They're already trying to discredit TFE by saying even if a 24 hours sun is observed, it won't falsify flat earth. Obviously, they have no confidence in their belief, and they know that after December, the jig is up for them.
I don't have a problem at all with free speech. An educational system that taught critical thinking and the correct way to amass and view evidence would cancel any repercussions from free speech
@@RoguePhysicist
You're not wrong about the motive behind beliving in flat earth but american education really is bad. The funding for schools is based on local taxes so you get places teaching kids with 20 year old books and one teacher for too many kids.
@@jamescarpenter7161 Name one school
@@jamescarpenter7161 Ooh, those are the exact same bogus talking points that are passed around in the Baptist church I attend. Whenever I ask for evidence that this ever happened, I get shocked faces. But...But ...nobody in our group ever asks us for EVIDENCE that what we are saying is true!!!
(And, no, I am not a Baptist. I'm just curious about the beliefs of my friends & neighbors. Nice people who are planning to vote for people who are not nice at all, because this lying slop gets served up to them on a daily basis.)
These deniers aren't even worth the time anymore to be honest. It's beyond tiring.
A flerf claiming to be a skeptic is like trump claiming to be a genius.
flerf...? I get the flat and earth part. What does the last "f" reference?
Trump has never once claimed that. But he's clearly smarter than B&H.
He once claimed to be a very stable genius. @@Canalcoholic
@@PhoenixHinds
flat earth
flat erf
fla' erf
flerf
@@David-zs2fm thank you. I find the term hilarious.
Faith is the art of lying to yourself. Critical thinking is the art of questioning yourself.
@davidbelway6076 Thinking and questioning is what built the Wright Brothers' plane, but it was faith that got them in the air. Just saying "faith" is a bit ignorant. If you meant religious faith, you should say so - even then, you're claiming to know what you don't really know, so you're using faith as much as your critical thinking.
@@tezzeriiAre you using faith to mean curiosity, motivation, hope? Please define faith...
Do you seriously think the plane flew because they wished into the air? Ignorance is thinking that there is more then one meaning of the word faith. The context is what you're talking about and that doesn't change the meaning. I have to say that your reply is the very dumbest one I've heard all year. lol That's laughable that it wasn't physical law being manipulated, but it was their faith in magic that got them to fly. omg you idiot. the water in your head maybe really muddy but it doesn't cloud my view of reason
@@hayuseen6683 motivation comes from desire and need. Hope is a more truthful way of using the word faith. Curiosity comes from intellect and a need to know and understand, that's why we created science. Faith has nothing to do with discovery, knowledge and understanding. Do I use faith to know the light will come on if I hit the switch? No I have the knowledge of how electricity works. don't need faith I the light doesn't come on it because of one of 2 reasons that are demonstrable.
@@davidbelway6076 You can't inform me of someone else's reasoning, although I appreciate the contribution it can't answer what I was asking.
The understanding of a 5 year old with the voice of an adult. ThIs is so sad.
I love when they say you just need buoyancy and density.
It just really clears up the fact that they have no idea what's going on.
Sane people cannot fruitfully discuss with insane people. It's pointless.
i watch these videos from time to time but now give up after a couple of minutes. the callers never listen uornderstand.
The hosts are indeed unsane. They have been brainwashed into spacetardia and globetardia religious orthodoxy, and think they stand in science when they stand in pseudoscience bullshit.
You cannot reason with a person out of an idea they came to without using reason.
I have literally found that to be true, but it is important to try. Perhaps one insane thought can be supplanted by another. 😬
lmao Matt just leaving after the dome claim is gold
That's the correct way to handle flerfs lol they don't deserve to be taken seriously
Yeah dud set the joint down and smell some fresh air
During Matt's brief absence I heard a male voice laughing at one point. Was that Matt?
@@ShellyZadorozny-cb2cg Is the smoke from the joint less dense or more dense than the air surrounding the smoke? 🥴
😘 Dear Matt and Erika,
Thank you so much for your valuable contribution to helping people think more logically!
Dear Matt, I discovered you on UA-cam in 2018. You spent many, many hours in my ears and in my mind. You accompanied me through my sabbatical in Australia and the following years back in Switzerland. I sympathized with your other listeners when your heart was struggling and hoped we would enjoy your presence for many more years. Of course, I donated a few francs (dollars) here and there to help keep your fridge stocked. No one has hit the nail on the head quite like you. It did me a lot of good. But you also made me a bit more aggressive in my thinking. Occasionally, you verbally annihilated people who were either not intellectually up to par or were dogmatic and completely clueless. While this was fun at first, it became less so over time.
Today, I returned to listen to you again. You've become milder. I love it! I think this way you'll reach even more people because they won't go on the defensive but will listen better and hopefully think along with you.
Thank you, Matt! And thank you, Erika, for your valuable contribution in helping us all move beyond medieval thinking!
Best regards from Switzerland,
Reto
Matt and Erika are doing the work of Satan and helping him lead people to Hell
“Thank you for demonstrating denseness” is WILD😂😂
This dude votes too. Remember that.
And breeds!
One guess who for.
Yep, and for someone with way too much power in the world that affects me too. Someone from the rest of the world.
It’s a mystery to me that he can speak.
We don’t actually know that he votes, just that he probably can. Statistically, most American people just don’t regularly vote.
As a European who has visited the United States many times I think it has THREE basic problems to address:
Too many CHRISTIANS
Too many GUNS
and
Too many CHRISTIANS with GUNS
😜😜😜 !!!!!
Absolutely correct!
Well, Europe has too many MUSLIMS, so I guess the US are still better than us in that regard. I dislike Christians way less than Muslims.
I'd contend that there are too many people that call themselves Christians, and not enough Christians. At best they only follow the parts of the bible they like, and they don't behave in any way like there is a God watching. The whole thing has just devolved into tribalism.
I tend to think that most Christians do not believe this flat-earth silliness and that they understand the bible for what it is, a story book, not a scientific treatise not a historical treatise.
You need to preface two of those statements with the word ‘Uneducated.’
"You don't need gravity, only density."
- "Thank you for demonstrating denseness for sure."
Brilliant.
They never get that density and buoyancy only work in connection to gravity.
@@diarmuidkuhle8181 Yeah, they totally lack that understanding. But then again, density is mass per volume, and mass can be measured from an inertia experiment, so it does not need gravity. Buoyancy generally needs gravity, but by Einsteins equivalence principle works in any accelerated frame (a helium balloon goed backwards inside a braking car, for example)
Do we not realize gravity is a theory that has never been proven by any scientist bc if you could prove it then you would win a Nobel Science Prize. Also most people who talk about gravity have no idea they are using a term with 2 Separate definitions : one being objects falling towards center of earth and the other dealing with for example the moon which is supposedly in earths gravitational pull but doesn’t fall towards earths center.
"Dense objects go down.' -- That mantra got me through many happy school nights when I was 15.
Tunguska event happened in 1908. Chelyabinsk is the one that happened in 2013.
Correct, I think Erica conflated the two events.
Caught that one too.Just watched a doc about Tunguska and in it was a similar type of guy who said it was aliens shooting down an asteroid and saving earth.
@@teknoaija1762 That makes more sense than believing the Earth is flat. In fact most things makes more sense than flat Earth.
@@galmud1508 Agreed,that scenario is theoretically possible but physics debunks flat earth.
Thanks for the fact check
I once went to a flat-earth convention. I just wanted to see what it’s like to be the smartest person in the room.
Lol, that's an awesome idea! I'll have to check when there's one coming to a town near me and go for a day of entertainment, and a bit of an ego boost!!😅👍
@@bryankautz826 I hope they don't kick you out for laughing hysterically at every talk.
😅😅😅
Did they use GPS to get to the convention?
Painful ignorance, stupidity from this caller. This is inexcusable with the scientific knowledge, facts, evidence we have today. " I'm not an expert" he got something right.
I understood everything when he said "Oh, I'm very skeptic! More than most...Eh? The bible? No, it's the word of god! How dare you!"
It's not just painful ignorance, it's painful brainwashing.
The whole world is in hypnosis
7:15 i wasnt aware of any film of the tenguska event in 1908 ?..and no crater was found as it explosed in the air.....so im confused at her saying this ? any follow up corrections ?
Jason, I have crossed the Atlantic from the Netherlands to Texas on a ship... I can guarantee you that A) the Earth is NOT flat, and B) water doesn't stay flat...
Jason is the densest caller I think I've ever heard on the show. Congratulations, Jason.
The “density argument” cracks me up, because the very effect they are ascribing to density, is actually the result of gravity 😂😂😂
He stepped from the roof of a skyscraper, and is now complaining that he keeps hanging in the air. And no one wants to give him more mass.
Erica's face when the caller said you don't need Gravity. Total astonishment.
Love seeing Erica on the show!! She's super knowledgeable!
"we've actually found lots of meteors in craters"
"Nuh uh"
Alright, I'm convinced! The earth is flat!
Actually, the bigger craters don't have meteorites in side, since they generate so much energy during the colision that they vapourise themselves, and the rock around them in the shock wave. At one time they thought that they might find the meteorite at the centre of the arizona meteorite crater, and they dug a mine, but found nothing. It wa futile anyway, since craters are always round irrespective of what angle the meteorite enters with, because of way the shock wave develops, so if the meteroite does remain, it could be literally anywhere in the crater. Incidentally, they didn't have footage of the tunguska event, only photos of the damaged trees afterwards - there wa sno actual crater, since it was actually likely an air burst where the friction wit the air heays the meteor and causes the meteor to vapourise in flight in a large explosion, which is what caused all the trees to be pushed over. The Chelyabinsk meteor in Siberia in 2013 was also an air burst meteor, but much smaller, and when looking for the meteor, they only found many, many tiny meteor fragments in the debris field under where the meteor exploded. Because the ground was covered in snow, they would hunt for small holes in the snow, and then dig down to find the meteor fragments, as if people had thrown a handfull of gravel up in the air above some snow.
He's not an expert on this?
Aw, man. Mind blown!
These people are truly terrifying.
If you've ever seen a sunset/sunrise. If it ever goes dark at night where you are. Congratulations, you live on a globe.
On a flat earth the sun could never ever set, therefore it would be daylight 24 hours a day.
I hear FE has "sun zones" .
They say the sun acts like a spotlight, so the "sun" can be above the plane but only light up one area. And yes, I know we see the sun go over the horizon, that doesn't deter them either, they have a bizarre idea of how perspective works.
Technically there is no sunset/sunrise. The Sun does not move (relatively), the Earth is spinning and orbiting the Sun. It should be called Earthset and Earthrise. I concede this concept is a little challenging for a flat Earther. So best not go anywhere near gravity is a result of the curvature of space and time. Honestly if someone if so wilfully ignorant we should ask them to sit in a corner of a room and colour some drawings in.
@@marasmusine some of them do claim that spotlight bs. My response to that is always: Imagine a torch in dark room on a ceiling shining down. Would you really NOT be able to see the torch itself? Of course you would!!
@@marasmusine Even if it was a spotlight, that still doesn't explain what we see. Nor is that how light works. It's like they just say the first thing that comes to mind without thinking about it.
The falling bowling ball an feather in a vacuum always gets them 😂
5:33 When you say you’re gonna take a quick break but just need to go outside to scream in utter frustration…
omg Erika's face at "you don't need gravity"
But seriously, "you don't need gravity, just density" . . . DENSITY. IS. NOT. A. FORCE. My god flat earthers are exhausting.
I’ve never heard one of them explain why the “stuff” with more density would go down, or why the “stuff” with less density would go up.
Gravity is not a force either
In all fairness, gravity is technically not a force either.
@@happyhappy85 No but it can be treated as one in most cases, because objects moving according to gravity act as if a force is acting on them. This is why Newton's law of gravity is still useful even though general relativity is the superior theory on gravity.
@@jkuhl2492 yeah I agree. It's a pseudo-force.
We got to the moon using Newton's theory of gravity, so obviously it does work to think of it along those lines.
Point is that flat earthers are dumb. They just don't like the word gravity because it kills their "model" dead.
The Red Hot Chili Peppers defense. Classic.😂😂😂
@@explodingtiger what is your evidence of God, sir?
"ding dang dong dong ding dang dong dong ding dang"
@@TheDukeOfReuben Underrated comment 🤣 but earlier you said "I know, I know for sure" explain how
I can't believe I just heard someone quote mining a song...
Hahahahahhahah
Right up there with the Chewbacca defense
"I believe religious dogma and deny the overwhelming concrete evidence of science. i'M a SePtIc" -this guy.
When I first started doubting, what really blew my mind was that God separated night and day before creating the sun. That was so blatantly wrong and that the writers didn't understand basic things we understand today.
Tools for understanding the world and only one is from the Bronze Age.
Then, what was supposed to be created on the first day when God said let there be light?
@@nobody-qt1pkThe light on Earth came first from two giant lamps and then a part of the world got light from two trees. It’s all in The Silmarillion! Eru Illúvatar is the one god and J.R.R. Tolkien is his prophet!
While I’m not defending the Bible as I am questioning all that myself right now. That one has an easy answer. God himself was the light. In revelation it claims heaven has no need of the sun cause the God is the light. Stands to reason God could have been the light for a few days
@@adamthiry868 fair point, however it doesnt say in the beginning let there be me. God said let there be light and that was the first day. If God is eternal as the bible suggest then the first day wouldnt be God speaking himself into existence.
This caller is why we need to educate our children in science, reasoning, and reading comprehention.
@@BearManNorth not if you're American. Apparently.
@simonlannie Donald Felon Trump said he loves the uneducated....easy to see why the christian nationals love it too.
The thing so many non-skeptics don’t get about skepticism is that when there IS sufficient evidence to reach a conclusion, such as the spherical earth, you SHOULD accept that conclusion.
But but but scepisizim mean no beleeving stufs
Pro skeptic: you should _tentatively_ accept that conclusion.
Or simply accept its use cases.
One model is useful for this, another for that. Acceptance not needed because its usefulness is what matters.
Sure, accept it, but only within the boundries of what the evidence supports. For example, Newtonian gravity works for everyday use cases, but relativity is needed when you step outside the bounds of what it can predict.
These people who deny the undeniable and believe in the unbelievable are imaginative at pathological levels.
And claim to be serious skeptics!
Or, they aren't imaginative enough - they can't imagine a spherical, rotating earth so it can't possibly exist. They can't imagine how man could have landed and walked on the moon, so it didn't happen happen. The list just goes on and on.
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt "they aren't imaginative enough" THIS! They are not imaginative enough to comprehend that their virulent contrarianism can and should be used against them: against their belief that they have "property rights" or "voting rights".
It felt like a troll call
So, he doesn't believe what NASA tells us, but he believes what The Red Hot Chilly Peppers say??!!
Tenguska didn’t actually make a crater. It exploded in mid-air.
@@niblick616 I think she confused it with the one that hit near Chelyabinsk. Many dash cam videos of that.
@niblick616 It's now believed to have been a comet rather than an asteroid, and it was in too remote a location in Russia to break many windows. But Erika is correct it leveled trees for miles.
Tenguska meteor did indeed explode above the surface but did make a crater, she has confused the Chelyabinsk.
Yeah, that’s a big oops but we all make them (errors).
That’s what I was thinking..
"I'm not an expert on this issue at all."
If he had simply made this statement and then hung up he would be lauded for his honesty.
But he just had to keep talking.
If he had listened to what he was being told, and taken it on board, he would have been similarly lauded, but he's incapable of accepting it because it doesn't align with his wildly mistaken mental model based on conspiracies and lies.
Suffering is a argument against God's goodness not his existence.
As God is defined as good, it's an argument against the God.
It is, however, not an argument against any other god that isn't a tri-omni-god.
@@cy-one Such as! Any details?
@@alanevery215 The Problem of Evil is an issue that only causes tri-omni gods to be logically impossible.
As they're described as having the want to avoid suffering (omnibenevolence), the means to avoid it (omnipotents) and the knowledge of how to avoid it (omniscience).
Any other god that doesn't have those three characteristics isn't affected.
If you want examples for non-tri-omni-gods, you could start with the Norse, Greek and Roman pantheons as European examples. Bust most gods are non-tri-omni-gods as far as I am aware.
Suffering is evidence against the existence of good, powerful, knowledgeable gods. It’s not supposed to be an argument against any others.
@@Leith_Crowther Not "good, powerful, knowledgeable", but specifically all-good, all-powerful and all-knowledgeable.
Given limitations (when all- or omni- is lacking) on the deity, suffering might be unavoidable in specific circumstances.
But those limitation do not apply to gods that are merely powerful, knowledgeable and powerful.
Why do I get the Hitchens flashback with almost any caller trying to prove god?
“You strike me as someone who has never read a single argument against your position ever”
Do they just randomly slither out of the caves with no memory or what?
I would love to hear a flat earther explain why we can *NOT* see Mexico from Florida
But Sarah Palin can see Russia from her front door!
@@Anne--Marie Back yard*
@@damon22441 Thank you. I stand corrected. 😁
They come up with contrived ad hoc explanations for everything. The fact that those explanations make no sense and are not supported by any evidence and sometimes contradict each other is of no concern.
Something something humidity, something something reflection, something something therefore earth is flat
It wasn't Tunguska, it was Chelyabinsk
Yes I was saying that too.😅
Can anyone else appreciate that a "circle" is not even remotely close to a sphere or globe???
"Occam's razor negates gravity" has got to be the wildest thing i have ever heard.... not only his the called not sceptic, i would posit he barely classifies as rational, with all the mental gymnastics he has to make...
Also, the easiest way to explain a helium ballon rising, is to remind them that the air around it is also being pulled by gravity, and since the air is denser than the balloon, the air is pulled with higher force and displaces the ballon.
Well people use Occam's razor erroneously saying the idea with least amount variables is most likely true. When it should be the one with the least assumptions is most likely true.
1x1 = 2
I'm not an expert... obviously.
well it could be said that they got at least 1 thing right then, but maybe only 1 thing too.
Buoyancy formula is B = ρ × V × g. that little g there is gravity.Their explanation literally requires the thing they say doesnt exist.
Whisper: You forgot the little ‘-’ sign to tell the direction. But else 👍😉.
Gravity is a thepry that has never been proven by you or any scientist ever!
2024 and we're still dealing with people who deny we've been to space.
I feel like this guy is speaking the voice of many who were groomed as children not to question the church or the bible, but every other religion or belief must be questioned aggressively.
He came in with nothing but determination to squint his eyes and winkle his face and believe what someone told him to if he really loved them, and to never actually investigate the world.
This is some scary shit. The fact people like this even exist in the 21st century.
@TheSolo1papi yeah right? I'm scared of people who dare to even question the High Priests of mainstream academia. It's socially unacceptable in our society. People are supposed to just blindly believe the current consensus of mainstream like a religious text. So anyone who dares question positions like Heliocentrism (for Cosmology) need to be ridiculed and excommunicated until they stop questioning, get in line with the rest of us, and blindly believe the current consensus of mainstream academia like a religious text.
Religion really is for dummies
“Dense objects go down,” so gravity doesn’t exist.
Dense objects go down BECAUSE gravity exists.
he said it was buoyancy. that is science fact. density is the actual factor to it with mass.
@@gmonk003 Now factor in gas or vacuum.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver did you factor in anything about buoyancy. let alone a vacuum with pressure.
@@gmonk003 Vacuum is zero pressure. No buoyancy. Objects accelerate toward the dominant mass' gravitational field.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver where is that demonstrated.. doesnt that defy gravity by showing pressure dictates the law of gravity.
Can I suggest something, when someone says "density" instead of gravity, the best experiment to explain it is to consider a vacuum chamber. Putting a pen in a vacuum shows that it goes down even with nothing around it. And putting a helium balloon in a vacuum chamber (will make it expand) but in a big enough chamber (if the balloon rubber is strong enough to hold the pressure of the helium) will still fall down, proving that a helium ballon is pulled down by gravity.
The question of the shape of the Earth is one of geometry. Only a geometric proof is proof the shape of the Earth. Celestial navigation and equatorial mounts for telescopes are implicit geometric proofs that the Earth is a sphere.
This caller repeated all the usual flat-earth tropes. Most of them are bad secondary logic. Most of them take the form, "If the Earth is flat, then B cannot be. B is, therefore B is false, therefore the Earth is flat."
Flat earthers generally have not passed high school geometry class. Someone who doesn't have a high-school understanding of geometry is not qualified to opine on the shape of the Earth.
"Thank you for demonstrating denseness" has to be the line of this conversation after the caller saying "Occam's razer means we don't need gravity, just density". To funny.
@Gutsick Gibbon Just a slight error.
The Tunguska meteor event wasn't the one caught on film. Yes, it was the one that flattened ~80 million trees, believed to be a 5-10 km air burst, hence no definitive crater, and occurred in 1908. (Edited, see reply from a smarterer person, 🤦)
The one caught on film was:
"The Chelyabinsk meteor was a superbolide that entered Earth's atmosphere over the southern Ural region in Russia on 15 February 2013. It also was an air burst type of event.
Tunguska event was 1908.
@@Nozoki Thank you!
I have no idea where I got 1966 from, and have corrected my post. With much embarrassment. 🤦
Goodonyamate! 🤠
I was wondering what meteor impact Erika was talking about.
@@johnrap7203 I just remembered Dan Aykroyd in Ghostbusters mentioning "the Tunguska blast of 1909". When I went to verify it it turns out he got it wrong in the movie by one year LOL
I’m glad someone else caught that.
I do love that Matt qualified it as "scientific illiterate flat-earther" to spare the guys feelings, I guess. Pretty sure a "scientific illiterate flat-earther" is just a regular flat-earther.
As soon as someone claims the Earth is flat, you know they are (a) ignorant of Math and Physics and (b) basing their beliefs on the Bible regardless of evidence. There is no point in arguing with them. They are irretrievably lost. Let them be. All that happens if you continue a dialogue with such fools is that you will become frustrated and depressed that they can be so impervious to reason. Fortunately, there are plenty of humans who ARE rational, and dialogue with THEM is more fruitful and uplifting.
I've had conversations with a bunch of them, and was only able to convince one one time. So it's not impossible to reason with them, just REALLY FUCKING HARD.
I was kinda shocked by the one time I was able to convince a guy, I just showed him distortion-free video of the curve (a lot of high-altitude footage IS fish-eye and shows an exaggerated curve, so I showed him a video with a natural curve) and showed a video of the sun maintaining angular size, which doesn't make sense on a flat earth. He was like "huh I guess you're right." I was shocked that he was able to follow basic logic and spatial reasoning since that's an extremely rare trait with flerfs. He probably wasn't too deep down the rabbit hole though.
Be sure to tell them that there is NO such thing as their "private property". Property is an abstract concept and therefore, as THEY say, not real.
@@theultimatereductionist7592 Just as the dome over the Earth doesn't exist either, nor could their possibly be a god so stupid as to create one, except in the minds of fools with zero intuition about reality due to zero knowledge of math or physics. Even as abstract concepts, the dome and their puny little dome-maker flat-earth god are worthless and laughable.
Arguing with a christian or flat earther about their delusion is like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.
If christians are offended by the word delusion, quite frankly - tough - wake tfu.
When Jason said “You don’t need gravity”, my customers stared at me as I absolutely DIED😂😂😂😂
Well, I hope they come back.
Flat-earthers always are an example of density. 😁
And flat-lining brain. 😅
what does the bible say about the earth??
@@paulrichards6894 Tell me.
@@paulrichards6894 Don't ask me.
@@paulrichards6894 There is at least once the expression "the four corners of earth", and that means nothing, expect for very dumm flat-earthers. There is also Matthew 4.8: "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor." and that means very little, expect for very lazy litteralists. And so on. The bible is not a book of science, and you can use it to say everything about science. Or everything about anything, by the way.
The big question is how this person get to this level of confusion? What happened during their childhood?
I spent 4 years working at the European Space Agency working alongside the Remote Sensing division who were literally collecting tens of millions of earth images from space a day.
I spent years on a satellite launch and watched its launch in minute detail for hours.
That Hollywood crew must have been busy.....
7:05 I think Erika is referring to the Chelyabinsk meteor of 2013 that was caught on numerous dashcams, phones and security cameras. Tunguska was back in 1908 in the middle of Siberia. But the main point being that meteors do occur. Jason is just another stubborn kid happy to live online within misinformation spreading echo chambers, who is unwilling to honestly examine what he claims to believe.
In her defense she could have said anything and Jason would have dismissed it anyway with a logical " uh un"
@@birdieerdie2349 Yep. Agreed. These flat earther's are contrarians in general. My goal was not to criticize Erica, but to highlight the Chelyabinsk event so that people could go watch the videos for themselves. She was correct that the Tunguska event broke windows and knocked down trees. I just haven't seen any evidence that it had been caught on camera. But yeah, nuh uh tends to be their standard rebuttal :)
He calls the atmosphere “oxygen”. Only 20% of the atmosphere is oxygen. It’s mostly nitrogen.
"The universe consists of 5% protons, 5% neutrons and 85% morons. - F.Z.
“Flat earthers represent 5% of the world’s population, yet propose 95% of erroneous ideas.”
- me
@bobinthewest8559 You’re not wrong, but your numbers are a little high. Don’t forget creationists!
Do schools not go to science centers anymore? I've seen and touched pieces of meteorites while on a field trip when I was 8, but this guy made it to adulthood thinking there's no such thing. That's a wild level of ignorance.
The gravity vs density chat was amazing. Religious studies has so much to answer for. It has no business being taught as fact in schools. This guy is the result.
So much for education being based on facts. Why is permission given to indoctrinate our children with fables? 🙄
@@eleycki they barely got into gravity/density, did you know they found that the downward vector changes around thunderstorms? It’s due to the electrostatic charges produced in the air, that’s the other part to relative density, electrostatic acceleration- from earths incoherent(changing) electric field neg at ground- 100volts+ every meter up.
This accelerates everything down at certain rate- hence affected around thunderstorm also hence why bowling ball at feather at same rate. it’s an acceleration
@ gravity creates an acceleration. I don’t know what this incoherent babble is trying to prove?
@@eleycki I’m saying we don’t need gravity to calculate the downward vector you can calculate it using simply relative density and electrostatic acceleration (caused by earths electric field)
I know because when you manipulate these two parts of objects-it changes the rate at which it will fall, even change direction.
@ electromagnetism can move things, sure, but this isn’t what causes things to fall.
First time ive heard of arguement from chilli peppers
I don't think NASA consulted with The Red Hot Chilli Peppers when then formulated the calculations to launch the James Webb Telescope.
Argumentum ad capsicum.
There is a song where it is said that god is a woman😂
Lets go on that one for now
My greatest frustrations in life are manifest in trying to reason with people who:
1. incessantly lie and interrupt to talk over me, making excuses for refusing to entertain facts, realities, and ethical ideals they don’t have.
2. are proud of their arrogance, malevolence, bullying, hatefulness, and ethical and moral bankruptcy.
3. rabidly vilify, hate, ostracize, harm, and shun others who are different only because they are different.
4. take pleasure in destroying lives, inflicting pain, suffering, and hardships on others they disapprove of.
5. refuse to take responsibility for the negative consequences of their actions, always blaming others.
6. cannot distinguish between reality and imagination, confidently pretending to know they are intimate with an imagined reality they cannot possibly know or be intimate with.
7. insist they are divinely entitled to forcibly micromanage the lives of others.
That's exactly their aim, to frustrate you. I really don't think most of these people actually believe what they're spouting, it's a game they play like bratty children.
It sounds like you know Deborah Beidren, my ex girlfriend.
@@SaintJermania I hope you're right, because I just can't stand such willful ignorance. Learning new things - especially science related, is one of my greatest joys - which makes people like that appear to WANT to stay in a personal hell or are just unaware (aka - ignorant, once again) that life has so much more to offer.
@@SaintJermania They believe it alright. I know. I was once one of them.
@@Temulon No. I don't know her. But I do know a lot of people I have described.
That red hot chilli peppers comment could also be interpreted as Hollywood has created many a space story that have inspired people to work together to make space travel a reall
The density in Jason’s head is incalculable.
So dense it has collapsed into a black hole. Every bit of information that makes it through his ears inside his head gets lost into that black hole.
It is truly infinite.
How can he walk upright having this dense head?
Causes an event horizon.
It's the intensity, of the density, divided by it's immensity.