I say it every time I hear this caller; He reminds me a lot of myself. I was trying to fill the hole of a mostly absent father by looking up to strongman characters who are "edgy" but also allowed me to fit in with the christian tradition of my family that I felt completely separate from. He's filled his headpiece with Peterson's straw so that he can fit in with people around him. That's what I believe anyways.
@@ahh_yes_mr_bax but what do you mean by 'interested' and 'the' and 'this' and 'I' ? The metaphysical substrates of fictive imagination requires a level of ubiquity unbeknownst to the lay person and their idolatrous imaginations of course.
exactly i was thinking the same. if i were a christian on the fence about my faith and heard callers like this it would make me question more. they should keep calling in 😂😂
@@MarcillaSmith Meanwhile, Jesus uses male pronouns despite allegedly only having female genes (since his only human parent is his mother who would only be able to give him X Chromosomes), but he is also so nonbinary that he identifies as a Trinity.
Jackie: and I believe that because everybody I debate with will stop talking to me (out of frustration or just to polite to call me a out) therefore I must be the winner of those debates.
@@EliseVeltmanvanReekum God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Jackie: "As a man, I am naturally superior in intellect and education to any, any, any FEMALE out there, so of course anything I say is Golden. Also i have the hots for Eve and am desperate to spend time talking to a beautiful woman because women disregard me completely in my miserable incel life."
Yep, and that special pleading isn't special pleading because euh..euh..euh.. I say so and because clearly my mind is vastly superior then yours you MUST listen to me spouting Jordan Peterson level of word salad. Heck, I'm surprised he didn't bring up the meta-strata of the darwinistic socialism and how it pertains to the ID that clearly shows how the lobster mind is affected. I never understood how anyone can take the Kalam seriously once past the age of 6.
"What do you mean by reality?" has got to be one of the most dishonest questions I've ever heard from a believer, and that's really saying something LOL
"I don't have a real problem with ignorance. We are all ignorant about a variety of subjects we are not currently aware of. The real problem is when that ignorance is wilful, intentional and used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone who has the nerve to present facts you don't want to accept." - anyone who actually cares about verifiable reality
The fact that Jackie is approaching this as an opponent tells me that they aren't interested in a dialogue and are more interested in being oppositional. The fact that Jackie is getting hung up on "how do you define reality" confirms this.
That's the entire right wing in America right now. "You think this so the opposite must be right!" On our side we have science and evidence and on their side they have context-less Twitter headlines, religious dogma and an orange idiot who screams lies to a cult ready to believe 1 x 1 = 2
He has all the confidence I did at 16. If Jackie legitimately continues to search for truth (big IF implied) he will change his mind on many things as he matures. Don’t want to hear from him again in the near future, but big hopes for Jackie
It's even worse than that. It's like saying that you have a bag of fruit and because the only fruit that you see looks like grapes then the bag must also be made of grapes.
If Jackie actually knew Occam's Razor, he'd have realized that he's multiplying entities by assuming a first cause is "a creator", and actually violating Occam's Razor himself 😂😂
Honestly i thought the kalam violates Occum’s Razor way before that. Compounding assumptions leading up was wild enough. I cant believe i used to talk similar to this… although less versed on philosopher’s names to drop.
@@ahh_yes_mr_bax While I like to point out that Pascal's Wager is the most dishonest argument for God, I think the Kalam may be the most wrong argument for a god. Its premises are either false or unfaslfiable, it employs a non sequitur, composition fallacy, etc and its conclusion doesn't even reach a god, which was what it is supposed to do. It's wrong in every way it can be as an argument for a god.
If he really followed Occam's razor he'd invert Kalam: P1 - Nothing that did not begin to exist had a cause. P2 - The Universe did not begin to exist. C - The Universe did not have a cause. Call it the Malak Cosmological Argument.
By the way he kept trying to obfuscate the point by trying to be pedantic about terminology, then the definitions of the terminology, you can tell he was role-playing as Jordan Peterson before he brought him up.
So impressed by the patience of Eve and Arden. When he mentioned Jordan Peterson the second time as he was stirring up his word salad I had to get up and do something else for a moment
At least Peterson is a PhD who has been cited by other psychologists, now he is losing popularity and the people who listened to him moved on to people like Andrew Tate who are just dumb
It's like he's a phenomenal archetype of a d-bag. His arguments are inherently valuable because they're more ridiculous than ridiculous, therefore they're beyond the satire/existance paradigm...
Ugh, seriously. People like him really hurt the process of debate. It’s such an important tool, but when folks pervert it, it can make you feel so discouraged to continue.
I ‘choose to believe’ that women don’t fart, even though I have personally experienced women farting. So my belief is about as logically consistent as anything Jackie espoused in this call. 🙄
“There is a cult of ignorance… and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell
I still remember the time Matt Dillahunty completely embarrassed Jordan Peterson in a live debate, so much so that Jordan refuses to debate him again. That's the guy that the caller listens to.
Jackie is yet another theist who talks but cannot provide a single piece of valid and verified evidence that his god thing ever existed. Crashing and burning at philosophy, is just the icing on his cake of reality denial.
people like this will cram the wikipedia pages of the major philosophers in order to name drop and spew a mishmash of jargon while making broad arguments. like Peterson, they mistake the veneer of faux-intellectualism for erudition. meanwhile for a lot of us who’ve been calling out Peterson as a charlatan, we’ve actually read the books and studied this stuff in college. we took stuff from it, then mostly just moved on with our lives. so when we hear a 16-year-old ask “are you a Nietzschean?” or whatever, _it’s really not that deep._
No, that's the final strike. If you are a follower of a person who do not understand simple concepts such as truth, reality, exists, level, basis, or even "and" you're done.
The special pleading built into the Kalam Cosmological Argument has always seemed self-defeating to me. It breaks my brain that theists find this convincing.
They don't find this convincing. Theists are not theists because of Kalam. They're theists because they were brainwashed as kids. They only use Kalam as a desperate attempt to justify their unjustified beliefs to non-theists.
He had no idea what Occams Razor was. He was parroting an argument from someone who agreed with him and thought it sounded cool because of the "Razor" part.
@@vibelet The funniest part to me was Jackie saying “As Jordan Peterson says, ‘Actions speak louder than words,’” as if that’s not just a common expression people have been using since basically the dawn of time.
“what do you mean by truth?” “what do you mean by reality?” yeah this guy listens to peterson. so dishonest he’ll try to make you define every single word before answering a question just to try to find a way out.
Jackie starting out referring to the hosts as "opponents" and wanting to argue AGAINST the hosts rather than argue FOR his idea betrays the fact that he knows his position cant be reasonably substantiated, he just thinks he can outalk certain people. Also he was a chronic overtalker, very disrespectful.
@@the.punchline33 Talking Heads' song "Psycho Killer" has a great line about this lot. "You're talking a lot but you're not saying anything." Also, it's a great song.
Yeah, I'm surprised they stayed with him as long as they did. Matt D would have muted him several times for interrupting and trying to talk over the hosts.
He wanted them to tee up the ball or start pitching something that he could swing at. Jackie: "Say something dumb that I can pounce on". Arden: "Listen here you little shit."
It's 2024 and actually I'm a Kierkegaardian. You know, the guy who wrote "The human being is a spirit. But what is a spirit? Spirit is the self. But what is the self. The self is a relation which relates to itself, or that in the relation which is its relating to itself. The self is not the relation but the relation's relating to itself. A human being is a synthesis of the infinite and the finite, of the temporal and the eternal, of freedom and necessity. In short a synthesis. A synthesis is a relation between two terms. Looked at in this way, a human being is not yet a self." O-o-okay.
@@HarryS77 right, navel gazing claptrap. Philosophy is not science. It’s mostly dudes journaling their musings, given an air of academia by way of arcane, proprietary vernacular. A fun and potentially beneficial meditation of sorts made all too pernicious in practice, as we see here with confused Jackie.
We should make a distinction however between philosophy enthusiasts and philosophy bros. The big difference is how the latter can only seem to make their arguments by quoting big names and their arguments, but have little to offer in terms of autonomous thinking, while the former learn the work of previous thinkers and build upon it to create original arguments and fresh ideas
He's wrong but it's definitely no word salad, listen carefully. He's asking coherent points, he's just speaking a little fast is all. I less you just don't know those terms on hand which is completely fine. I understood it though, and the girls did too
Christofascists: "Our shit is literally 100% factually true and objectively morally correct." Also Christofascists: "Define truth. What is reality? 'Existence' is a loaded term."
"I'm calling in today to regurgitate a bunch of presuppositional word salad garbage I heard Jordon Peterson say, while being as pedantic as possible the entire time". I can barely stomach JP as it is, Jackie here has me banging my head against the wall. This call was infuriating to say the least.
Im so glad i got away from all that nonsense in (unnamed political party) before JP became famous. I know my dumb younger self would have fallen for his half assed “self help.”
This is how I felt too... so to pay penance and make myself feel better I donated some money to "recovering from religion" so others could get the help they need while deconstructing. Do it too! You'll feel awesome for being helpful to others like yourself!
i remember telling one of my best friends in 3rd grade that god is real and they're going to go to hell for being an atheist. religion can seriously fuck up a person's mind, especially a child's.
This really highlights why Matt interrupts and mutes so frequently. Jackie was allowed to blather on and on and make so many fallacious statements stacked on top of each other. The hosts did a good job with a lot of them, but I believe he needed his feet held to the fire way way more.
Arden and Eve are awesome in this call. Yeah i prefer the Matt method for both entertainment and for practical purposes… but these girls hit most of the right points (in my opinion), and handled this arrogant jabber jaw well. The meltdown at the end was fun.
@@creamwobbly when the caller makes a shit ton of claims one after the one with no evidence or reason why do you want to hear more of them blathering on? Do you care if they are making fallacious claims? Or are you just wanting to hear nonsense?
This caller has ZERO grasp of logic - as for most of his ilk. If I say "I don't know what colour your car is", he would come back with "Why are you saying my car is not red?"
It also happens to people when they learn about a topic in order to support their own previously held beliefs. He's not "reading philosophy". He's taking the cherry picked ideas that he's picked up from apologists and media figures. I've certainly misunderstood some things for that reason.
nope, this happens to an uneducated mind, that reads about philosophy but only that which the pastor condones and never actually understands it nor cares for why this single author and school of thought did in fact not turned into the basic of every philosophying after them
He hasn't read much philosophy - he's trying to recycle what he's heard from Peterson and his fanboys. The rapid retreat from from Kierkegaard to the Kalam shows he's a poser.
The fact that he gets mad when they slightly interrupt him to clarify and ask a question, but he thinks it’s perfectly fine for him to talk over them and interrupt constantly infuriates me to no end
They want to feel special. They can't accept that we are a part of nature, just like every tree and grain of sand.. we life, we die, and we decay. Just like everything else.
@@platinumnitrocharge4218I think that's a bit harsh. There are some good ones who call in to actually have a discussion but to be fair it does seem much less common.
"Why assume that existence allways existed? That is complicated, lets simplify it with Occams Razor: Existence was created by all-mighty all-knowing all-loving immaterial timeless spaceless triune creator who allways existed." 🤣🤣🤣
@@MonkeyAtTypewriter I hope my bunpou isn't getting even more "fraky" (as Sensei used to lovingly admonish) for lack of use for it in Mississippi 🤣 Edit: Should there be a "ni" between "baka" and "iru?"
@ThorsDecree No. It'd be a formal or familial so not really context appropriate. Don't even need the iru. But historically we generally didn't do a ton of "insult work". Except right before we merc'ed someone with 2 feet of steel. And at that point people don't remember what you said.
@@MonkeyAtTypewriter Oh I'm never context appropriate even in English, I'm very informal as a rule. Sometimes I use "de gozaimasu" among friends just to buck conventions lol. Thanks for putting up with my Japanese linguistic incompetence every few weeks whenever we randomly bump into one another! m(_ _)m It's such a polite language. People tell me often that I don't have a Southern accent and English but I definitely have a weird hick accent in Japanese. I had gotten conversationally fluent in college but it's definitely been getting rusty since. As for my statesmen, I do everything in my power with my words to change perceptions and opinions and policies for the better. Mississippi feels in many ways like it's still culturally in the bronze age, but we are making progress. The education system has only been getting worse in the last few decades, though. I don't think pandering to the least, denominator among students has done much to help students in general. This particular caller kind of reminds me of myself when I was a Christian as a teenager. For me it took attempting to be a religious apologist to change my perspective and realize I didn't actually have good reasons for the conclusions I held. Dropping LSD for the first time when I was 16 or so also changed how I viewed other people and made me much more respectful and general especially towards people I disagreed with. It's not this kid's fault. He might actually be very intelligent, but the system he grew up in is designed to make him just the way he is on this call. There might be hope for him but there will probably be some element of luck involved. I shudder to think what my life would be like today had a particular set of circumstances not led me out of Christianity. It's terrifying how difficult it is to see the flaws in it from the inside through all the indoctrination.
Poor Jackie, when backed into a corner he resorts to "Special Pleading", oh my god is eternal. Then, when Jackie gets caught in a trap he resorts to the argument from incredulity/ignorance, what else could it be? Then, what it ultimately comes down to is the root problem of religion. When you subscribe to a certain set of beliefs, those beliefs inform your actions, like flying planes into buildings or limiting the rights of certain individuals because you believe your perfect entity doesn't like certain behavior. That is why it's important to keep doing what you are doing, keep up the good work.
what's crazy is how this guy is absolutely terrified of having his own thoughts instead of citing a previously made argument or school of thought. It's great to be well-versed in philosophy and you can't actually think your way to The Truth, but neither can anyone else. You have to actually exercise your own brain from there.
...and questioning the underlying reality itself is exponentially more telling about his capacity for logical reasoning, honest discourse and wilful ignorance. “If you can’t beat ‘em with brilliance, baffle their brains with BS.” - BS artists/religious apologists/trump magats/poutine shills/brexiters/zionist extremists/genocide apologists/neo-nazis/“white replacement” fear mongers/gender critical science deniers/anti-vaxers/flerfs/sovereign citizens/MRA zealots/red pilled sociopathic trolls all over the world
Religion is the free interpretation of ones own faith and the Church is the mega corp that makes millions of the suckers who need to show of how much "holier than thou" they are.
*SOME* religious people life a happy life. The most religious countries on earth tend to be some of the poorest underdeveloped countries. The most secular countries are the opposite.
@@ciri151 Agree with that; most religious countries tend to be underdeveloped and poorer. This usually means their citizens tend to be poorly educated, which is consistent with the inevitable belief in all things nonsensical
Reality is also the thing u ignore to pretend "t-women are women". It's only in the mind but not in reality. They definitely exist and definitely deserve to live a happy and healthy life like every other living creature but u have to be religious in thinking to believe the phrase "t-women are women". We never get those points because ppl are silenced before it gets there. It's their show tho so no foul really
And let's be frank here: He's talking about that one popular middle eastern deity. Not a deistic 'thing', not a collective consciousness notion, not a bloody shinto storm god, but Yeshua the patron saint of lumpy white people.
"someone should go back and watch that clip and have a shot for every fallacy he drops" No thank you, I don't fancy having to have my stomach pumped tonight
Took 23 minutes when you finally got them repeating themselves like a broken record then the caller finally lets it slip and boom there it is. I'm sorry you have to put up with these horrible people that can't just let others be happy.
23:18 YES! Why do so many conservatives think minorities are a liberals kryptonite? I'm not a liberal so that every trans person will personally like me, I'm a liberal because I agree with the policies. Does anybody actually get scared when people like Candace Owens say things like " I'm every liberals worst nightmare. I'm a black woman who disagrees." You never see the other side of this. Nobody is out here thinking " I'm a straight, white, male liberal. This is really going to shake up the system!"
Given the number of times ive been accused of being a lonely, jobless, pink haired they/them when i am in fact a bald, married man and an aerospace quality engineer, i do occasionally point that out. Not that it matters to me, its just funny.
😂😂😂 Very good point. People confuse being a decent human being who realizes that there are other people in the world besides themselves with performative allyship and virtue signaling.
The Kalam. What a horrible argument. It has so many flaws, and it only appeals to those who either 1) just want an excuse to believe and who don't investigate it deeply, or 2) people who don't know a lot of physics, especially quantum physics.
@@AngryBoozerThe Kalam doesn’t even properly arrive at a cause, because it’s a circular argument. First issue, it smuggles in the assumption that there is something outside the universe by treating “universe” as a subset of everything instead of everything. Just substitute _everything_ for _universe_ in the second premise: “[Everything] began to exist.” - it’s just an assertion Moving on… The first premise implies two categories: that which begins to exist, and that which does not begin to exist. What falls in the _does not begin to exist_ category? If the only exception to _everything_ is the “uncaused cause” - the very thing you’re trying to prove - then you have a circular argument.
@@AngryBoozerI see so many videos where too much time is wasted wrapped around the Kalam. It should be explained and dismissed within two minutes as a circular argument… followed by The End.
@@derinderruheliegt Yeah, it makes less and less sense the more you think about it. You could spend all day poking holes in it. I don’t understand why apologists cling to it so much
Crazy that after this he has been allowed to call back to all the other shows almost every week for the last 3 months. And holy shit is his anger towards women is scary. Forrest and Matt have torn into him 1000% times more than these amazing hosts and he remains timid and just deflects. But a woman questioning him triggers rage. No wonder he is such a huge Peterson fan.
If you somehow are convinced that you are and are not reading this simultaneously because you chose to reject the laws of noncontradiction and excluded middle in order to square the circle of theistic cognitive dissonance by using motivating reasoning, have a nice day.
"I'm going to say this one more time, and then I'm going to hang up." Says the thing, proceeds to keep going on the call for 10 more minutes. Cowardly liar.
This guy thought that the bigger the words he used, and the more publically known the grifter he quoted, the more likely Arden and Eve were to just roll over and say "Oh you're right and I denounce everything I've ever said"
Jackie was going off of a script, and when the hosts didn't bite, he got flustered. Someone in the background said something, about half way through and says 'yeah' and skips to the kalaam, which is thoroughly debunked. So he got butt hurt, started raising his voice and whined like a little B!😊
The moment I heard the word "archetype" I knew who this person listens to and what their schtick was: Jordan Peterson and stretching terms so far they become unrecognizable and you can do whatever you like with them. "Well what is reality really? We all have iur own reality. It's an achetype based on a substrate." When you stretch the term reality far enough it becomes a useless term. Nake reality a personal thing and every belief can be justified.
Jackie gets a lot of leeway in my book for being a 16 year old. And in a few calls, kiddo has run through all of it. Jackie, your ideas are bad. Also, you are relude af. If you just had bad ideas, these calls would go better. But your rudeness is preventing you from having good calls.
Yup. And I've seen his other calls. I won't go over all of them, but there was an episode of Chewed Gum in which he told Eve and Stacie "Honey, honey, listen to me..." when they were trying to reel him in. Again...16.
I think "Jackie" is Canadian Catholic on Discord, and he's muffling his voice here, I have spoken to CC before and the tone and vocal patterns are nearly identical.
@@13shadowwolf I'm not convinced. Just on cursory listen, Canadian Catholic has a much higher voice, and his arguments while equally vapid are made with a higher level of proficiency. I also don't have the confidence that CC is bright enough to pull that kind of hoax. Can't say you're wrong, but I think it just speaks to how much they're drawing from the same well.
Do theists not get that we atheists aren’t impressed by kalam, that we regard that argument as so tired and trite? This guy is stuck on repeat with this BS.
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Caller went to the Jordan Peterson School of talking a lot without saying anything.
"Strawman Strawman on the floor tell me why you called her a whore" XD
This!
There may be something else when we die, there may be nothing else when we die, but either way what does god have to do with any of it ?
I say it every time I hear this caller; He reminds me a lot of myself. I was trying to fill the hole of a mostly absent father by looking up to strongman characters who are "edgy" but also allowed me to fit in with the christian tradition of my family that I felt completely separate from. He's filled his headpiece with Peterson's straw so that he can fit in with people around him. That's what I believe anyways.
Graduated with a PhD from the Peterson University of Yappology
Any caller that unironically name drops Jordan Peterson is doomed to go off the rails.
Im unnaturally interested in the statistics on this 📊
@@ahh_yes_mr_bax but what do you mean by 'interested' and 'the' and 'this' and 'I' ? The metaphysical substrates of fictive imagination requires a level of ubiquity unbeknownst to the lay person and their idolatrous imaginations of course.
@@Sanxioned1 ... and Nietzsche...
@@gssr1 I hate how right wingers manipulate Nietzche's philosophy to fit their narrative
Devotion to Jordan Peterson is like waxing you rail car wheels and greasing the rails 🎢
People like Jackie does great service in driving people away from religion. Thank you Jackie
exactly i was thinking the same. if i were a christian on the fence about my faith and heard callers like this it would make me question more. they should keep calling in 😂😂
Did he really say if you're religious you wouldn't be trans?
@@MarcillaSmith yup.
@@MarcillaSmith Meanwhile, Jesus uses male pronouns despite allegedly only having female genes (since his only human parent is his mother who would only be able to give him X Chromosomes), but he is also so nonbinary that he identifies as a Trinity.
Nailed it! Seriously people like this do immeasurable damage to a marketing campaign for religion….
Jackie: “If I talk fast enough and mention Kierkegaard and Nietzsche,” then I will win the argument, even though I have zero logical skills”.
Jackie: and I believe that because everybody I debate with will stop talking to me (out of frustration or just to polite to call me a out) therefore I must be the winner of those debates.
@@EliseVeltmanvanReekum God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Jackie: "As a man, I am naturally superior in intellect and education to any, any, any FEMALE out there, so of course anything I say is Golden. Also i have the hots for Eve and am desperate to spend time talking to a beautiful woman because women disregard me completely in my miserable incel life."
Jackie has consistently shown that he cares a lot about thinkers, and very little about thinking.
@@pandora8610 Well said! 👏
"Everything has to have a creator! (except my invisible friend)"
🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Yep, and that special pleading isn't special pleading because euh..euh..euh.. I say so and because clearly my mind is vastly superior then yours you MUST listen to me spouting Jordan Peterson level of word salad.
Heck, I'm surprised he didn't bring up the meta-strata of the darwinistic socialism and how it pertains to the ID that clearly shows how the lobster mind is affected.
I never understood how anyone can take the Kalam seriously once past the age of 6.
I have a bag of oranges. Everything in it is made of oranges therefore my bag is made of oranges.
"What do you mean by reality?" has got to be one of the most dishonest questions I've ever heard from a believer, and that's really saying something LOL
"I don't have a real problem with ignorance. We are all ignorant about a variety of subjects we are not currently aware of. The real problem is when that ignorance is wilful, intentional and used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone who has the nerve to present facts you don't want to accept."
- anyone who actually cares about verifiable reality
I knew it was coming as soon as he invoked Jordan "What do you mean 'do'?" Peterson
Totally
Jordan Peterson brain.
Clearly he listens to Jordan Peterson way too much
The fact that Jackie is approaching this as an opponent tells me that they aren't interested in a dialogue and are more interested in being oppositional.
The fact that Jackie is getting hung up on "how do you define reality" confirms this.
exactly he refers to the hosts as opponents before knowing their position on things
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That's the entire right wing in America right now. "You think this so the opposite must be right!" On our side we have science and evidence and on their side they have context-less Twitter headlines, religious dogma and an orange idiot who screams lies to a cult ready to believe 1 x 1 = 2
He has all the confidence I did at 16. If Jackie legitimately continues to search for truth (big IF implied) he will change his mind on many things as he matures. Don’t want to hear from him again in the near future, but big hopes for Jackie
Yep. He said it himself.
Hosts should have jumped on that.
I cannot stand Jordan Peterson.
When you hear the word "archetype" falling from guy's mouth, you know there's been some serious petersoning going on in his background
Most sane people can't stand him!
Honestly, Peterson is just re-warmed Joseph Campbell. There's nothing interesting about him.
@@HarryS77and re-warmed Carl Jung to not forget the father of the archetype insanity
I knew instantly how weak and foolish his arguments would be as soon as he cited Jordan Peterson.
The Kalam is like having a bowl of grapes. Everything in the bowl is a grape, so therefore the bowl itself is also a grape.
Yes! I thought of the bag of oranges. Everything in the bag is made of oranges therefore the bag is made of oranges.
Not even that, because for all you know there is a biscuit underneath the grapes, and you haven't checked to see if this is not so
It's even worse than that. It's like saying that you have a bag of fruit and because the only fruit that you see looks like grapes then the bag must also be made of grapes.
Fallacy of composition
Special pleading fallacy for god... Argument from ignorance....
What an obnoxious caller. He is really just trying to force his opinion. The hosts are very patient with this rude person.
I seriously dont know how the hosts keep their composure with these ridiculous people who can never be wrong
This has some real "I Am Very Smart" energy.
He's got all the best words.
Yet I feel dumber listening to him.
@@graemerose1616you must be from Jupiter
He knows what Jordan Peterson said though, so he must be really smort.
@@JayMaverickhe am the big smorts
If Jackie actually knew Occam's Razor, he'd have realized that he's multiplying entities by assuming a first cause is "a creator", and actually violating Occam's Razor himself 😂😂
I was thinking the same exact thing
I think he followed more Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
Honestly i thought the kalam violates Occum’s Razor way before that. Compounding assumptions leading up was wild enough. I cant believe i used to talk similar to this… although less versed on philosopher’s names to drop.
@@ahh_yes_mr_bax While I like to point out that Pascal's Wager is the most dishonest argument for God, I think the Kalam may be the most wrong argument for a god. Its premises are either false or unfaslfiable, it employs a non sequitur, composition fallacy, etc and its conclusion doesn't even reach a god, which was what it is supposed to do. It's wrong in every way it can be as an argument for a god.
If he really followed Occam's razor he'd invert Kalam:
P1 - Nothing that did not begin to exist had a cause.
P2 - The Universe did not begin to exist.
C - The Universe did not have a cause.
Call it the Malak Cosmological Argument.
Jackie opens this up by essentially asking "What's your Pokémon type? I need to pick where to start on my flowchart"
That's an excellent way to put it
I giggled there too. He needs a school of thought to attack since he doesn't have a solid claim of his own.
@@jaytotheareokay Genuinely!! It's so sad the way some religions condition you into not thinking for yourself at all
Jackie doesn’t know why people find a way to leave shortly after he shows up in a room.
I just love this sudden leap in logic. "The universe absolutely needs to have a cause, and if you accept that, you can't be transgender".
The moment he mentioned JP, we all knew that this was about a man-boy against trans folk.
By the way he kept trying to obfuscate the point by trying to be pedantic about terminology, then the definitions of the terminology, you can tell he was role-playing as Jordan Peterson before he brought him up.
@@UnknownChocolatieringThat depends on what you mean by ‘obfuscate’.
@@twowardrobeswardrobes1536 Trying to mask their point by being pointlessly verbose. The hosts of the show called it out multiple times as well.
@@UnknownChocolatiering JBP appeals to those like him, sophists who delude themselves to be sophisticated.
@@UnknownChocolatiering Well, I think before making that point we should define "pointless."
So impressed by the patience of Eve and Arden. When he mentioned Jordan Peterson the second time as he was stirring up his word salad I had to get up and do something else for a moment
@proneoyster Jordan Peterson makes me sick too! He is a self-righteous a******!
I find them much easier to listen to compared to other hosts who yells a lot. My tinnitus and hearing impairment appreciate Eve and Arden a whole lot.
@@charisma-hornum-fries Now that you mention it, yeah, I do agree. I'm a sensitive person and really prefer their calm
I love Eve Arden. She was in Grease.
Bro kept citing Jordan Peterson as a source lmao
And he kept talking like Peterson, too.
Lots of fancy words, no actual meaning at all.
And doesnt realise that it makes him sound ridiculous
I lost it when he said, "As Jordan Peterson says Actions speak louder than words".
Like dude! Jordan Peterson did NOT come up with that saying.
At least Peterson is a PhD who has been cited by other psychologists, now he is losing popularity and the people who listened to him moved on to people like Andrew Tate who are just dumb
@@JOHNTIM212he lost his ability to practice and Andrew Tate fell off massively
The god of slavery, genocide, infanticide, murder, torture etc is in no position to be a basis for any form of morality.
Why not?
@@itsJPhereI mean the jokes about theists really write themself at this point
@@itsJPhere silence troll
@@itsJPhere read again
jackie pushes more people out of religion than many atheist activists. keep it up!
"Do you know who Kierkegaard is" is a massive red flag at the beginning of a conversation that it's not going to be a productive conversation.
There a those who understand the actual philosophical concepts and those that are very good at quoting philosophers.
Quoting Jordan Peterson was the second red flag
Otto: “Apes don’t read philosophy.”
Wanda: “Yes they do, Otto. They just don’t understand it.”
@@twowardrobeswardrobes1536 A Fish Called Wanda! ❤️
Made all the more funny by him being unable to pronounce "Søren"...
This caller is insanely pedantic.
To a Peterson level of uselessness
It's like he's a phenomenal archetype of a d-bag. His arguments are inherently valuable because they're more ridiculous than ridiculous, therefore they're beyond the satire/existance paradigm...
@@MonkeyAtTypewriter it's like he invented his own metaphysical substrate cause that would be truer then true
Ugh, seriously. People like him really hurt the process of debate. It’s such an important tool, but when folks pervert it, it can make you feel so discouraged to continue.
Where is his evidence for his magical sky daddy creator of our reality/universe?
This entire call is just Jackie smelling his own farts, and telling Arden & Eve that they have inferior farts.
Oh. But wait, whose farts were *actually* superior?
Don't be silly.
This entire video was Jackie smelling Jordan Peterson's farts.
I ‘choose to believe’ that women don’t fart, even though I have personally experienced women farting. So my belief is about as logically consistent as anything Jackie espoused in this call. 🙄
“There is a cult of ignorance… and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
- Isaac Asimov
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.”
- Bertrand Russell
What do you mean by "fart"?
I still remember the time Matt Dillahunty completely embarrassed Jordan Peterson in a live debate, so much so that Jordan refuses to debate him again. That's the guy that the caller listens to.
And Dillahunty went off on 😊Jackie as well.
“What do you mean by reality” is such a weasely thing to say lol this caller is so dishonest, I love how jimmy demolished him the other day
Jackie is yet another theist who talks but cannot provide a single piece of valid and verified evidence that his god thing ever existed. Crashing and burning at philosophy, is just the icing on his cake of reality denial.
It's scary.
They're trying to convince themselves it seems
It's called parroting. Most christians just parrot what the guy in front of the congregation is saying. No orignal thoughts of any kind.
its always funny that that's where they always end up going to, is the old philosophers for "proof" of god existing.
people like this will cram the wikipedia pages of the major philosophers in order to name drop and spew a mishmash of jargon while making broad arguments. like Peterson, they mistake the veneer of faux-intellectualism for erudition.
meanwhile for a lot of us who’ve been calling out Peterson as a charlatan, we’ve actually read the books and studied this stuff in college. we took stuff from it, then mostly just moved on with our lives. so when we hear a 16-year-old ask “are you a Nietzschean?” or whatever, _it’s really not that deep._
"Like Jordan Peterson says.."
Strike 1.
Well it depends on what you mean by reality.
More like strike 10
Not even in the batter's box. They're outside the stadium scalping fake tickets.
@@saicharand7765isn't 11 the number 3 in binary?
No, that's the final strike. If you are a follower of a person who do not understand simple concepts such as truth, reality, exists, level, basis, or even "and" you're done.
Very brave of dude to just admit, 'You'd be 10000x more miserable if you believed the shit I did.' Much winning argument.
The special pleading built into the Kalam Cosmological Argument has always seemed self-defeating to me. It breaks my brain that theists find this convincing.
And then referencing Occam's Razor even as they add the assumption of an eternal being on top of the possibility of an eternal Universe. Wild.
They don't find this convincing. Theists are not theists because of Kalam. They're theists because they were brainwashed as kids. They only use Kalam as a desperate attempt to justify their unjustified beliefs to non-theists.
there goal isnt to be convinced its to find evidence that suits their beliefs
@@adamlouis3725 you couldn’t of said it better 👏🏽
@@adamlouis3725BINGO!
I would have hung up as soon as he asked "what do you mean by reality?"
Certainly after he asked the second time!
Don't forget the "what do you mean by existence" 🤯
For someone who referenced Occam's Razor, he sure did make a lot of assumptions..
Stupid razor 😂😂😂
He didn't seem to know what Occam's Razor was, so not surprising.
hes probably using the edgeless side of the razor 😅
@@Here_is_Waldohe seemed to believe it meant going with the assumption you feel is more likely.
He had no idea what Occams Razor was. He was parroting an argument from someone who agreed with him and thought it sounded cool because of the "Razor" part.
Faith is the art of lying to yourself.
"It ain’t supposed to make sense; it’s faith. Faith is something that you believe that nobody in his right mind would believe.”
- Archie Bunker
If it made sense, they wouldn't need it
no good conversation ever follows the sentence "as jordan peterson says"
@@vibelet The funniest part to me was Jackie saying “As Jordan Peterson says, ‘Actions speak louder than words,’” as if that’s not just a common expression people have been using since basically the dawn of time.
It's baffling to me how we as skeptics have to have proof, but believers just need feelings
Jackie heard JP talk once and thought, "Yeah, I can do that."
And he did! 😁
“what do you mean by truth?”
“what do you mean by reality?”
yeah this guy listens to peterson. so dishonest he’ll try to make you define every single word before answering a question just to try to find a way out.
He thinks asking for definitions of common terms is some kind of 'gotcha' tactic and thinks he can plug in 'God' as an axiom.
I am having flashbacks to "that depends on how you define mint"
Jackie starting out referring to the hosts as "opponents" and wanting to argue AGAINST the hosts rather than argue FOR his idea betrays the fact that he knows his position cant be reasonably substantiated, he just thinks he can outalk certain people. Also he was a chronic overtalker, very disrespectful.
Why is ALWAYS the chronic over talkers that cry about being interrupted? 😂
@@the.punchline33 Talking Heads' song "Psycho Killer" has a great line about this lot. "You're talking a lot but you're not saying anything."
Also, it's a great song.
Yeah, I'm surprised they stayed with him as long as they did. Matt D would have muted him several times for interrupting and trying to talk over the hosts.
He wanted them to tee up the ball or start pitching something that he could swing at.
Jackie: "Say something dumb that I can pounce on".
Arden: "Listen here you little shit."
@@the.punchline33 Because the chronic over-talkers are operating from an assumption that they and only they are allowed to speak.
Philosophy bros are exhaustingly ineffectual and hilariously counterproductive to their aims.
It's 2024 and actually I'm a Kierkegaardian. You know, the guy who wrote "The human being is a spirit. But what is a spirit? Spirit is the self. But what is the self. The self is a relation which relates to itself, or that in the relation which is its relating to itself. The self is not the relation but the relation's relating to itself. A human being is a synthesis of the infinite and the finite, of the temporal and the eternal, of freedom and necessity. In short a synthesis. A synthesis is a relation between two terms. Looked at in this way, a human being is not yet a self." O-o-okay.
@@HarryS77 right, navel gazing claptrap. Philosophy is not science. It’s mostly dudes journaling their musings, given an air of academia by way of arcane, proprietary vernacular. A fun and potentially beneficial meditation of sorts made all too pernicious in practice, as we see here with confused Jackie.
Completely patetic caller, but a great source to get people away from religiao, thanks caller!
We should make a distinction however between philosophy enthusiasts and philosophy bros.
The big difference is how the latter can only seem to make their arguments by quoting big names and their arguments, but have little to offer in terms of autonomous thinking, while the former learn the work of previous thinkers and build upon it to create original arguments and fresh ideas
This guy isn' ta philosophy bro though, he was just pretending, he didn't even know what Occam's razor was lol.
I don't know how Christmas presents got under the tree, therfore Santa Claus must exist. Same logic.
"Well you can't *_disprove_* Santa any more than we can prove him, therefore i will live as if he does exist!" 🧠
He doesn't allow for the possibility that the universe didn't have a cause, then will special plead that God doesn't.
Classic.
He is more interested in sounding smart with word salad
Yeah, you can definitely tell he's an adherent of the Jordan Peterson school of smug prolix ignorance.
Intelligent people can usually explain something in simple terms.
Just like every JP worshipper.
It is better to be right than to sound smart.
He's wrong but it's definitely no word salad, listen carefully. He's asking coherent points, he's just speaking a little fast is all. I less you just don't know those terms on hand which is completely fine. I understood it though, and the girls did too
Christofascists: "Our shit is literally 100% factually true and objectively morally correct."
Also Christofascists: "Define truth. What is reality? 'Existence' is a loaded term."
Maybe he's a solipsist and a Christian simultaneously. Not sure how that goes together, but who am I to judge 😅
"I'm calling in today to regurgitate a bunch of presuppositional word salad garbage I heard Jordon Peterson say, while being as pedantic as possible the entire time". I can barely stomach JP as it is, Jackie here has me banging my head against the wall. This call was infuriating to say the least.
Im so glad i got away from all that nonsense in (unnamed political party) before JP became famous. I know my dumb younger self would have fallen for his half assed “self help.”
@@ahh_yes_mr_bax self-help so powerful it gets you on a benzo addiction
Fallacy of composition?!
Just because everything within our universe has cause, doesn't mean that the universe itself needs one.
It's also weird to say that the universe needs a cause, introduce a conceptual cause, and claim that this cause must now have no cause.
the patience is crazy! good on yall for doing what you do
It's funny how fear of death warps the mind so completely
Every time I listen to this show I realize how ridiculous I sounded when I was a religionist. I apologize, and a am embarrassed.
I used to argue with other kids that santa had to be real. Its all good dude.
This is how I felt too... so to pay penance and make myself feel better I donated some money to "recovering from religion" so others could get the help they need while deconstructing. Do it too! You'll feel awesome for being helpful to others like yourself!
Me too! Let’s pretend it never happened 😅
Not your fault at all. We get indoctrinated long before we even realize it.
i remember telling one of my best friends in 3rd grade that god is real and they're going to go to hell for being an atheist. religion can seriously fuck up a person's mind, especially a child's.
This really highlights why Matt interrupts and mutes so frequently. Jackie was allowed to blather on and on and make so many fallacious statements stacked on top of each other. The hosts did a good job with a lot of them, but I believe he needed his feet held to the fire way way more.
Arden and Eve are awesome in this call. Yeah i prefer the Matt method for both entertainment and for practical purposes… but these girls hit most of the right points (in my opinion), and handled this arrogant jabber jaw well. The meltdown at the end was fun.
@@creamwobbly when the caller makes a shit ton of claims one after the one with no evidence or reason why do you want to hear more of them blathering on? Do you care if they are making fallacious claims? Or are you just wanting to hear nonsense?
@@creamwobbly I flip flop on Matt. Sometimes he does a great job of refutation, other times he's just yelling 95% of the call.
@@sh4577 I think there's some comedy value in the likes of Jackie, but yeah Matt is more interesting than that rubbish
@creamwobbly have you considered NOT having the memory of a goldfish? That way it only takes you 1 time hearing this nonsense to remember it.
Baby’s First Apologetics: Kalam and Occam’s razor 🤣
This caller has ZERO grasp of logic - as for most of his ilk.
If I say "I don't know what colour your car is", he would come back with "Why are you saying my car is not
red?"
This is what happens to a young mind when they read too much philosophy and start thinking that they are really, really, really smart.
I was about to comment about the same. I came purposely looking for this comment. This is 💯 spot on.
It also happens to people when they learn about a topic in order to support their own previously held beliefs. He's not "reading philosophy". He's taking the cherry picked ideas that he's picked up from apologists and media figures.
I've certainly misunderstood some things for that reason.
nope, this happens to an uneducated mind, that reads about philosophy but only that which the pastor condones and never actually understands it nor cares for why this single author and school of thought did in fact not turned into the basic of every philosophying after them
He hasn't read much philosophy - he's trying to recycle what he's heard from Peterson and his fanboys. The rapid retreat from from Kierkegaard to the Kalam shows he's a poser.
No, this is what happens when an inarticulate dumbass listens to an articulate dumbass who is confident.
Me in the first 10 mins: "Holy misrepresented strawman, Batman!"
As soon as he brought up kalam I was like "ah shit, of course he'd be a presup" 🙄
Yeah "because I define it to be" pretty much sums it up.
Dude could have led off with his bigotry and saved everyone 24 mins.
The fact that he gets mad when they slightly interrupt him to clarify and ask a question, but he thinks it’s perfectly fine for him to talk over them and interrupt constantly infuriates me to no end
the universe doesn't have a purpose. it just is. accept it
... but that makes me feel sad. /s
They want to feel special. They can't accept that we are a part of nature, just like every tree and grain of sand.. we life, we die, and we decay. Just like everything else.
Annoying caller
they're all annoying.
@@platinumnitrocharge4218I think that's a bit harsh. There are some good ones who call in to actually have a discussion but to be fair it does seem much less common.
Can you imagine him at your table at a wedding?
It may take awhile sometimes, but the bigotry always comes out- usually when they feel their lame af arguments aren't working.
It's the underlying foundation of their conceits.
The Kalam cosmological argument doesn't lead to a RELIGION to live by.
"Why assume that existence allways existed? That is complicated, lets simplify it with Occams Razor: Existence was created by all-mighty all-knowing all-loving immaterial timeless spaceless triune creator who allways existed." 🤣🤣🤣
Jackie is a HS graduate who watched some UA-cam videos on philosophy and now thinks he's a genius.
typical apologist behavior. they have to believe in conspiracies and bat 💩 bananas concepts in order to protect their religious beliefs.
He's not even a HS graduate. He's 16. He calls in all the time and creams his Jockeys over Peterson.
@@kayanneyoung9788 🤣🤣
Not surprising that he mentioned Jordan Peterson. He sounds just like him. A bunch of big words that are strung together but mean nothing.
Ah, yes, the "deepities".
As a Mississippian, I definitely don't claim this one.
"Answer for your statesman!" /s
@@MonkeyAtTypewriter iie, zettai muri da. Mississippi no kurisutan wa takusan baka da kedo, baka iru ga wakaranai.
Shou ga nai. Kore wa bunka da. :/
@@MonkeyAtTypewriter I hope my bunpou isn't getting even more "fraky" (as Sensei used to lovingly admonish) for lack of use for it in Mississippi 🤣
Edit: Should there be a "ni" between "baka" and "iru?"
@ThorsDecree No. It'd be a formal or familial so not really context appropriate. Don't even need the iru.
But historically we generally didn't do a ton of "insult work". Except right before we merc'ed someone with 2 feet of steel. And at that point people don't remember what you said.
@@MonkeyAtTypewriter Oh I'm never context appropriate even in English, I'm very informal as a rule. Sometimes I use "de gozaimasu" among friends just to buck conventions lol. Thanks for putting up with my Japanese linguistic incompetence every few weeks whenever we randomly bump into one another!
m(_ _)m
It's such a polite language. People tell me often that I don't have a Southern accent and English but I definitely have a weird hick accent in Japanese. I had gotten conversationally fluent in college but it's definitely been getting rusty since.
As for my statesmen, I do everything in my power with my words to change perceptions and opinions and policies for the better. Mississippi feels in many ways like it's still culturally in the bronze age, but we are making progress. The education system has only been getting worse in the last few decades, though. I don't think pandering to the least, denominator among students has done much to help students in general.
This particular caller kind of reminds me of myself when I was a Christian as a teenager. For me it took attempting to be a religious apologist to change my perspective and realize I didn't actually have good reasons for the conclusions I held. Dropping LSD for the first time when I was 16 or so also changed how I viewed other people and made me much more respectful and general especially towards people I disagreed with.
It's not this kid's fault. He might actually be very intelligent, but the system he grew up in is designed to make him just the way he is on this call. There might be hope for him but there will probably be some element of luck involved. I shudder to think what my life would be like today had a particular set of circumstances not led me out of Christianity. It's terrifying how difficult it is to see the flaws in it from the inside through all the indoctrination.
I don't know is a valid answer. He just can't admit he doesn't know because his religious indoctrination doesn't allow it.
Causality requires time. Time (at least as we know it) did not exist at the singularity. Therefore, casuality "before" the big bang is nonsensical.
This kid needs to clean his room like Jordan Peterson said
Maybe he can find his point if he cleans his room.
I'm no fan of Paterson but he has a point.
Jackie is not nearly the thinker he thinks he is.
Poor Jackie, when backed into a corner he resorts to "Special Pleading", oh my god is eternal. Then, when Jackie gets caught in a trap he resorts to the argument from incredulity/ignorance, what else could it be? Then, what it ultimately comes down to is the root problem of religion. When you subscribe to a certain set of beliefs, those beliefs inform your actions, like flying planes into buildings or limiting the rights of certain individuals because you believe your perfect entity doesn't like certain behavior. That is why it's important to keep doing what you are doing, keep up the good work.
If repeating yourself over and over even when it's no longer relevant to the conversation is a good argument, I was absolutely brilliant when I was 3.
what's crazy is how this guy is absolutely terrified of having his own thoughts instead of citing a previously made argument or school of thought.
It's great to be well-versed in philosophy and you can't actually think your way to The Truth, but neither can anyone else. You have to actually exercise your own brain from there.
Jackie avoiding TRUTH says a lot.
...and questioning the underlying reality itself is exponentially more telling about his capacity for logical reasoning, honest discourse and wilful ignorance.
“If you can’t beat ‘em with brilliance, baffle their brains with BS.”
- BS artists/religious apologists/trump magats/poutine shills/brexiters/zionist extremists/genocide apologists/neo-nazis/“white replacement” fear mongers/gender critical science deniers/anti-vaxers/flerfs/sovereign citizens/MRA zealots/red pilled sociopathic trolls all over the world
Jackie: "I can't make a convincing sentence, so I will gish gallop you with a fucking thesaurus that has no relevance."
If religious people live happy and fulfilling lives, why are so many leaving the church?
And that’s a fact
Religious people living happy and fulfilling lives would'n't feel the need to call in and argue with atheists.
@@rclrd1 👏
Religion is the free interpretation of ones own faith and the Church is the mega corp that makes millions of the suckers who need to show of how much "holier than thou" they are.
*SOME* religious people life a happy life. The most religious countries on earth tend to be some of the poorest underdeveloped countries.
The most secular countries are the opposite.
@@ciri151
Agree with that; most religious countries tend to be underdeveloped and poorer.
This usually means their citizens tend to be poorly educated, which is consistent with the inevitable belief in all things nonsensical
The irony of him whining about religious tolerance but it turns out he's transphobic😆
The patience of you guys is phenomenal.......thank you.
Spends the entire call saying "I don't know, therefore magic." Even calling this a "law."
8:35 Jackie loses his place in the flowchart
Reality, Jackie is that thing you ignore to make believe in a god
Reality is also the thing u ignore to pretend "t-women are women". It's only in the mind but not in reality. They definitely exist and definitely deserve to live a happy and healthy life like every other living creature but u have to be religious in thinking to believe the phrase "t-women are women". We never get those points because ppl are silenced before it gets there. It's their show tho so no foul really
And let's be frank here: He's talking about that one popular middle eastern deity.
Not a deistic 'thing', not a collective consciousness notion, not a bloody shinto storm god, but Yeshua the patron saint of lumpy white people.
You are the reason why homeschooling and inbreeding are generally frowned upon in this Country.
"someone should go back and watch that clip and have a shot for every fallacy he drops"
No thank you, I don't fancy having to have my stomach pumped tonight
As an actual PhD in philosophy, I apologize for this guy.
Took 23 minutes when you finally got them repeating themselves like a broken record then the caller finally lets it slip and boom there it is. I'm sorry you have to put up with these horrible people that can't just let others be happy.
23:18
YES! Why do so many conservatives think minorities are a liberals kryptonite? I'm not a liberal so that every trans person will personally like me, I'm a liberal because I agree with the policies. Does anybody actually get scared when people like Candace Owens say things like " I'm every liberals worst nightmare. I'm a black woman who disagrees."
You never see the other side of this. Nobody is out here thinking " I'm a straight, white, male liberal. This is really going to shake up the system!"
Given the number of times ive been accused of being a lonely, jobless, pink haired they/them when i am in fact a bald, married man and an aerospace quality engineer, i do occasionally point that out. Not that it matters to me, its just funny.
😂😂😂 Very good point. People confuse being a decent human being who realizes that there are other people in the world besides themselves with performative allyship and virtue signaling.
Maybe because so many liberals always resort to making everything about race and victimhood?
The Kalam. What a horrible argument. It has so many flaws, and it only appeals to those who either 1) just want an excuse to believe and who don't investigate it deeply, or 2) people who don't know a lot of physics, especially quantum physics.
Worse, the argument makes no claims about god. It just clams that universe had a cause. That cause could be literally anything.
@@AngryBoozerThe Kalam doesn’t even properly arrive at a cause, because it’s a circular argument.
First issue, it smuggles in the assumption that there is something outside the universe by treating “universe” as a subset of everything instead of everything. Just substitute _everything_ for _universe_ in the second premise:
“[Everything] began to exist.”
- it’s just an assertion
Moving on… The first premise implies two categories: that which begins to exist, and that which does not begin to exist.
What falls in the _does not begin to exist_ category?
If the only exception to _everything_ is the “uncaused cause” - the very thing you’re trying to prove - then you have a circular argument.
@@AngryBoozerI see so many videos where too much time is wasted wrapped around the Kalam. It should be explained and dismissed within two minutes as a circular argument… followed by The End.
@@derinderruheliegt Yeah, it makes less and less sense the more you think about it. You could spend all day poking holes in it. I don’t understand why apologists cling to it so much
Jackie seems to be living in his own personal reality, he refuses to accept common definitions.
Crazy that after this he has been allowed to call back to all the other shows almost every week for the last 3 months. And holy shit is his anger towards women is scary. Forrest and Matt have torn into him 1000% times more than these amazing hosts and he remains timid and just deflects. But a woman questioning him triggers rage. No wonder he is such a huge Peterson fan.
Magic man is more probable than any other possible explanation. This guy's brain has been turned to mush by listening to Jordan Peterson.
If you're reading this, have a nice day.
If you're not reading this, also have a nice day.
It's too bad I am only just reading this at 18:33 PM so my day sucked up until now
If you somehow are convinced that you are and are not reading this simultaneously because you chose to reject the laws of noncontradiction and excluded middle in order to square the circle of theistic cognitive dissonance by using motivating reasoning, have a nice day.
Thank you! You have a wonderful day also. This warmed my heart. 💜
Thanks... I needed this today. :3
Everything has a beginning, apart from my invisible friend...
Quite fun to hear someone going with the Kalam calling other stuff falacious.. 🤣🤣🤣
Caller is trying to flex his first year philosophy class 🙄
As soon as he dropped the word "archetype" in the manner that he did, I knew we were about to hear some Jordan Peterson sycophancy.
“What do you mean by reality?” Yeah def a Jordan Peterson fan lmaoo
"The Rat..." i was waiting for that but sadly, he never went there
"I'm going to say this one more time, and then I'm going to hang up."
Says the thing, proceeds to keep going on the call for 10 more minutes. Cowardly liar.
The thing?
This guy thought that the bigger the words he used, and the more publically known the grifter he quoted, the more likely Arden and Eve were to just roll over and say "Oh you're right and I denounce everything I've ever said"
Jackie was going off of a script, and when the hosts didn't bite, he got flustered. Someone in the background said something, about half way through and says 'yeah' and skips to the kalaam, which is thoroughly debunked.
So he got butt hurt, started raising his voice and whined like a little B!😊
The moment I heard the word "archetype" I knew who this person listens to and what their schtick was: Jordan Peterson and stretching terms so far they become unrecognizable and you can do whatever you like with them.
"Well what is reality really? We all have iur own reality. It's an achetype based on a substrate."
When you stretch the term reality far enough it becomes a useless term. Nake reality a personal thing and every belief can be justified.
Jackie gets a lot of leeway in my book for being a 16 year old. And in a few calls, kiddo has run through all of it.
Jackie, your ideas are bad. Also, you are relude af.
If you just had bad ideas, these calls would go better. But your rudeness is preventing you from having good calls.
This guy is 16?? I weep for the future.
Yup. And I've seen his other calls. I won't go over all of them, but there was an episode of Chewed Gum in which he told Eve and Stacie "Honey, honey, listen to me..." when they were trying to reel him in.
Again...16.
Jackie has been listening to brain rot Jordon Peterson.
I think "Jackie" is Canadian Catholic on Discord, and he's muffling his voice here, I have spoken to CC before and the tone and vocal patterns are nearly identical.
@@13shadowwolf I'm not convinced. Just on cursory listen, Canadian Catholic has a much higher voice, and his arguments while equally vapid are made with a higher level of proficiency.
I also don't have the confidence that CC is bright enough to pull that kind of hoax. Can't say you're wrong, but I think it just speaks to how much they're drawing from the same well.
A higher purpose or have your own purpose? What if there is no purpose at all?
We just are, and we just are reacting, and we just are part of things.
He was so rude and condescending! Bad representative of his religion.
(Internet) philosophers are some of the most agonizing people in existence.
Do theists not get that we atheists aren’t impressed by kalam, that we regard that argument as so tired and trite? This guy is stuck on repeat with this BS.
The only thing worse than listening to Jordan Peterson is listening to a homeschooled 16 year old try to regurgitate his bull shit.