I have not, but would love to. I would love to participate in realistic affordable scenario-based training. I wonder if USCCA would take instructors on "tour" to certain convention centers around the Country so they could do scenario based training indoors, but have enough room to set things up in real life fashion?
I did in the Marine Corp, but it was way different as we were in a situation where we were expecting an encounter. The shoot/don't shoot house that the Havelock PD in NC made available for our training put us in more of a house clearing/adversary tracking scenario. I think that this "Proving Ground" training is something that I would definitely take advantage of if it were available to the public here in San Antonio.
Am a Vietnam vet and have shot many rounds of ammo. I have a carry permit in Oklahoma and carry every day. Great video and appreciate your service to the gun owners of America
I'm a retired LEO from Texas. I was involved in three shooting scenarios during my career, only one where anyone was shot. Unfortunately in that one I was forced to take two lives, and my partner a third. Three gangbangers had stolen a truck from a family of four in DFW, killing the entire family. They then fled south towards Mexico, where a trooper picked them up on a bolo near San Marcos. They ran, and I intercepted south of New Braunfels. They turned into a dark cemetery, blew both front tires jumping a curb, then spread out and attempted to ambush us as we cleared their vehicle. These scenario-based training exercises are by far the most valuable training available. It's amazing how much stress you can induce even when the subject is completely aware it is a training scenario.
You should also be aware that the attacker may suddenly rush at you. I used to fence quite a lot, both Olympic foil/epee/sabre, and more of a freeform historical style using fiberglass rapiers and daggers. People can cover amazing amounts of distance before you even realize they are moving. I had never heard of the Tueller drill until about a month ago, but I've been doing this in training and very occasionally in real life for most of my life. If you've started with a lot of self-defense training (not a McDojo) and/or fencing, that is a natural thing to do. If the attacker is charging, move out of the way, but don't do it so soon that they have time to alter course. Move slow until you move fast, then move very fast.
The only thing I question is 10 shots and one hit. Time for some "draw and fire one shot drills". To me the first shot is the most important. Wild Bill Hickock gave a man this advice , " Take your time and make sure your shot is true. Just don't take too much time."
@@USCCAOfficial It has been difficult to sign up at any ranges right now, as most aren't holding new member orientation classes or are spacing them out quite a lot. So I, my wife, and some friends bought Airsoft replicas of the handguns we chose, so we can practice at home in the backyard. I know it isn't a perfect stand-in for a firearm, but better than no practice. I have an idea for an electronic target. It will include the capability to have a hostage in front of the bad guy, and to light up with a different color and sound depending on which one you hit. I'm pretty good with electronics, so...
@@USCCAOfficial Have walk up drills where you start at 15yards at draw point communicate with hostile (communication may cause hostile train of thought from victim to you) as you move up slowly stop 5 yards and repeat tell your in a better postion to make accurate shot placement if situation cant be resolved with out deadly force At same time this depends on how hostile reacts Maybe its military training but as a firearm carrier I accept that I rather have the threat on me then a innocent bystander
A little off topic but didn't wild bill die from being shot in the back of the head execution style at a poker table? Or was that someone else? I seen a really interesting show about the colt revolver and they talked about a few of the famous western guys. Didn't he also accidentally shoot his faithful deputy in the face during a shootout? I guess he got tunnel vision. Those guys had adrenaline for breakfast everyday.
6:30 Alright, am I the only one who was thinking "Hes opening fire on the knife guy while the woman is directly in the line of path catching every bullet as a meat shield until the 5th shot or so"??? Or is that just because of the camera angles? Because that damn sure looked like he had like a 5 inch circle target to get the knife guy's head and anywhere else was all going into that lady
Am a Vietnam Vet and Have been a USCCA member for a while. I Carey every day and pay attention to any signs places may post as to "No firearms permitted". This helps keep me out of trouble
Depending on your state, these signs might not be applicable in a situation that requires it. There are very few states that legally uphold those "no firearms permitted" signs. They're essentially signs that tell you the business doesn't want them, and they can get you cited if you refuse to leave, but if they never see your firearm, then you're fine. For example, that recent mall shooting in Indiana had signs that stated, "gun free zone", but the citizen using self-defense did not get charged for using his gun in defense. Indiana is one of those states that those signs can't be upheld legally in a situation like that.
I have not and the sad part is most ranges will not let you or have no kind of set up for something like this. I did do some while in the 82nd but not something like this, this is way different.
Thank you for your service, Perry! Have you talked to your range to see if they might consider putting on this kind of training or recommending some places to you?
Wow, good session. He knows something is going to happen but doesn't know what, that's stressful enough, had one hit out of ten. Can you imagine under a real life stressful scenario, hitting once might be hard to get. Good job
Thank you for watching! It is definitely hard to get shots on target in a high-pressure situation like this! That is why we encourage everyone to incorporate different scenarios in your training if you can to best prepare you for any situation.
It's also possible that under stress, he went for the most isolated target which was probably the head. He actually wasn't using her as a face shield like you see a lot of the time. He could miss his head and still not be too close to hitting her. At least this specific case.
Walking toward the KNIFE-wielding assailant while seeing the front site on his chest, increases the likelihood of center mass, while putting the assailant down and protecting the victim.
what if hes got a partner thats acting as a victim to cover him in case you fight back the closer u get the more blind you get to whats around u.. just like how jarred and Amanda miller cowardly murdered joseph Wilcox. (as well as 2 LEO's) its all a bad situation no matter.. just have to use ur training, instincts, observation and access the situation to the best of your abilities... but yes if ur correct if the situation u were in called for it would be sufficient.
Even knowing the situation was just a training scenario, it seemed emotionally powerful. You rightly emphasize that the choice of whether to intervene in a third-party conflict is a personal decision. However, I think that as some people seem driven to prey on the helpless, there are others who seem compelled to defend victims against predators. There may be an after-the-fact rationalization to attempt to apply logic to the decision, but in the split-second and high pressure framework of such an encounter, the decision to intervene may come from a deeper level than the notoriously slow-moving rational brain. It's good to see that Spencer's training has helped him make good use of his reasoning to empty his hands, stage himself for escape or lethal response and avoid locking up. His brain was still working when many people would just be frozen and staring. While most of us will likely never have the opportunity for scenario-based training, watching these scenarios and thinking through what we would do or avoid doing may provide the next best thing. That's one way John Correia's Active Self Defense videos can be so helpful. Thank you to USCCA for providing these training videos. Hopefully the training you offer will keep more people alive, more good guys out of jail, and USCCA insurance rates lower.
Thank you so much for watching and for your feedback, Fred! I'm glad you are enjoying and benefiting from these videos! have you taken any scenario-based training yourself?
@@USCCAOfficial I do appreciate your videos and consider them possibly of greater importance to me than the insurance since they might reduce the likelihood of needing to use it as well as increase the likelihood of survival in the event of a selfdefense situation. Unfortunately, I have not had an opportunity for scenario-based training, although I certainly would like to. Having a disability that requires use of a cane, I am acutely aware of increased vulnerability and probably increased attractiveness as a target to criminals. Therefore increasing available time for assessment and reaction through enhanced situational awareness is especially important for me. Even though I work on developing that, I still find myself focusing often on relatively trivial things rather than maintaining awareness more broadly. I wonder whether training (scenario-based or otherwise) could be offered that would focus on actually enhancing situational awareness rather than just talking about its importance. I think the message of the importance of situational awareness has propagated broadly through the selfdefense community, certainly throughout the USCCA's audience, but there's probably as much difference between knowing its importance and learning to exercise it as there is between learning the importance of firearms as an option for selfdefense versus actually learning to use a firearm competently for that purpose. Perhaps Kevin and your outstanding team could apply some thought to training your members to be competent practitioners of situational assessment.
Damn, I wish there were classes like this in my state. And maybe there are I’m gonna have to look. Truthfully, they should put you through these classes for 20 hours or more if you want a conceal and carry permit. I think these classes are more important than anything else, as they will teach you the proper etiquette as to what’s right and wrong and what you should do in certain situations.
@@joshuabruce9920 Maryland you do have to do 16 hours of training for your conceal carry permit. Of course we pay for it ourselves. Is it a pain? Yes. But it’s proven all the time that carrying is not for everyone and even if you’re a good shot that doesn’t mean you’re a good decision maker or threat assesser.
That scenario honestly would be close to what I would have also done. I would have hated myself if I had left and someone got stabbed. I hope I would have had proper distance, the right angle and clear sight picture not to hurt innocent people in the room.
I have done Karva Maga for years, sorry about the spelling, but I have done stuff you are walking around and out of no were you have someone jump you and have no idea if they had a weapon, and I did stuff were I had to get someone out of a bad situation
One common theme I am seeing in your videos like this is that people do not remember a site picture. It is more of a point and shoot kind of scenario. To me that just reinforces one of my primary drills. That drill is dry fire point and shoot with a laser bullet. My pistol is double action with second strike capability so I all I have to do is pull the trigger. No racking the slide.... Yay! Anyhow, I practice sitting laying standing kneeling you name it. And not just at a target in front of me but in all kinds of various locations and positions. And without having to rack the slide I can require multiple targets in multiple locations. Bottom line is it is going to be point and shoot anyhow so why not be proficient at that. I can easily hit a 4 inch circle anywhere within 10 feet. It's fun, easy, and almost free! All that said of course normal shooting using the sites was not be ignored either. No doubt there are many circumstances that would allow for more precision shooting.
I wonder if it crossed Spencer’s mind that the guy in black with the gun in his back right packet could’ve been an accomplice of the guy holding the knife?
I'm not sure if it did, Jason. It honestly didn't cross my mind either! How do you think he would have handled the situation differently if he did consider this?
@@USCCAOfficial Not my conversation but i know from ASP and others, the old saying one is two, two is three, etc...Depending on where i was , I am not sure If i would want that guy to be in a position behind me. I would try to position myself so both are in my view if possible. If not, I would have to make a split second decision an decide if the mannerisms of the guy in black is one of fleeing or something else. To behind honest I am not sure if shooting at that specific time was right. 10 shots way to much, especially since we are accountable for every bullet. Time buys you options and waiting another second or 2 could have results in less shots missed, better shooting position. The guy with the knife was looking all over the place and with the guy giving warning commands it brought attention to him. Personally i would have said nothing and took the shot when i thought i would be on target. No need to give a warning command. Of course with adrenaline pumping reactions will be different.
@@USCCAOfficial I would've position myself in way not allowing anyone to get behind me by using the counter top as my back stop allowing the guy in black to remain in my view or commanded everyone to kneel/hide or hold in place behind cover. No matter how you train, you can't train for innocent people reactions in an active shooter situation. It's just chaos! I believe, being authoritative by using commands to assert myself, shows that I'm in control of this situation. Good Scenario and Spender reacted with the proper response.
@@einyv Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! You should definitely try to give verbal warning commands to de-escalate the situation before taking any shots. Sometimes these verbal commands can stop an incident before resulting to deadly force. We are definitely accountable for every bullet that is fired from our firearm so accuracy is definitely important when it comes to training as well.
@@USCCAOfficial While I will agree giving verbal commands would be good to try to de-escalate for this particular situation where the bad guy is already has the intended victim with a knife and in striking distance wouldn't it be more prudent to take the shot(assuming you could do so safely) instead of giving a warning where that might give the bad guy time to stab/ slash the victim? That is why for this situation I would not. I could be wrong with my assessment and that is why i come to these channels and read different books to try to learn. Now if I was in store and there was a guy holding it up with a knife, if I chose to get involved and knew no other bad guys were there I certainly would issue commands to drop the knife (assuming no victim at that time was in immediate danger).
Pretty good example of RBT overall. In its best form, this scenario would not only be followed up with an AAR, but by running the critical incident portion at least 2 more times as drills in which the "shooter" is allowed to incorporate lessons learned from the AAR; ending on a high note (success). He did most stuff well. Here's my 2 cents: at the point where he begins follow-up shots I'd like to see him begin to collapse the gap and move for superior target isolation (which includes scoring more hits at closer distance). But all of this is dependent upon the training objectives. Leaving the AO and calling 911 is a valid option in this scenario -- personal choice. No vics or bystanders hit is GOOD, but 1 hit in 10 shots needs improvement. Shooting effectively in the chaos of the real world is quite different than on a range is probably the #1 takeaway from this one.
@@USCCAOfficial Remember what he said when you asked about his recollection of FSF? I believe the best rapid moving target acquisition + multiple target selection "drill" is clay shooting (it's about the eyes + brain even though we call it eye-hand coordination). So I always suggest this as a favored form of sport shooting to supplement practical pistol. Then, for a specific drill that one can practice alone on an appropriate range, I use 1 of those targets with a field of different colored 4" or 5" circles, put them on the walk-up drill from 15 yds to 3 yds with someone calling out colors for THIS specific skill set: collapsing the gap while shooting with a level of target selection. With that said, this is a pretty advanced skill set (move and shoot). So I won't even consider it unless I know their static skills and movement fundamentals are already solid. Then it has to be done with one shooter at a time, 1 instructor, and at least 1 RSO supervising the bay. I cringe every time I see civilians doing the walk-up drill with rows of 6-12 shooters. I have NEVER seen this live or on video where the integrity of the line was maintained, and that is fundamentally unsafe. While RSOing this sort of fiasco, I have called ceasefire on a couple of instructors who weren't too happy with me for it. Know what I told them? Don't hire me as an RSO if you don't want your students to be safe. I just mention this because a lot of folks read these comments and I don't want anyone getting out too far over their skis.
A bit artificial. He's only in that store because they told him to go into that store. If he were in there of his own volition, he might decide to leave as soon as those guys started exhibiting ratcheted-up behavior. Instead, he stays, well, because they told me to come in here and wait for whatever happens.
There is a little bit of acting in these videos, Bearded Marley. You are right, unfortunately, he did have to stay in the building because that was how the scenario played out. It is interesting to say he might decide to leave if he could. Would you leave if you saw this happening in a store?
@@USCCAOfficial I know it sounds harsh and uncaring, but my self-defense philosophy is just that: self defense. I'm not carrying a gun in order to be anyone's hero. After all, we all have the benefit of the Second Amendment. I did my stint as a defender of the public, but now I'm a civilian. I'm a rabbit with teeth, whose first inclination is to go to ground. I try to keep track of exits and escape routes so that I can get the heck outta Dodge at the first hint of trouble. Of course, this starts with avoiding trouble-prone soft targets to begin with (e.g., our local theater which does not allow firearms). On the other hand, I would take advantage of an early opportunity to defuse a situation if: a) I knew all the facts behind what I was seeing (i.e., not walking in on an already-developed situation); and, b) I had the tactical advantage of surprise and could bring my weapon to bear quickly. In the above scenario, if I were standing near the woman when the guy grabbed her, instead of across the room, I might take a shot. Unfortunately, too many awards for heroism are given posthumously.
@@johnq.public5078 You don't sound harsh at all. I completely agree with you! If you can get out of that situation safely, we definitely advise doing so. It is great to always be situationally aware so if something like this does arise, you have already located your exits and can escape! There certainly are a lot of things to consider in order to safely and rightfully act in this situation. Hopefully, some of these things get addressed during our Live Training Broadcast!
@@USCCAOfficial From what I have seen in other scenarios/videos you have to be very careful in getting involved in 3d party encounters. You may not know all the details as to why someone may be getting into an altercation with someone else. If a fire arm is involved there is a probability'/risk of hitting bystanders/curious people with their damn phone cameras wanting to film everything, So, if you do make the decision to get involved remember there is an attorney attached to each round that comes out of that firearm. You may save the day/get the bad guy but if one round finds its way into an innocent bystander you may be looking at civil if not criminal action against you. Just something to consider.
This kind of training it's fantastic. Very close to the real scenario. Muscle memory activated... Senses tingling... Adrenaline rush... Tunnel vision in... But I think it must be costly ? I would love to try it.
I'd say that depends on the situation, Isaac. Would you rather focus your attention on getting people out or helping the lady being threatened with a knife?
Just a big thanks to the work and videos this organization does! Awesome job to all those involved. This may not look serious to certain people but these type of drills and training are imperative to those that carry. Even if you take away little points to think about or practice on your own for that matter its a win. Every little bit helps!
This Type Of Situational Training Is Absolutely Invaluable! In Today's Societal Climate, Those Who Conceal/Carry Will Become First Responders. Crime Is On The Uprise And Criminals Have Become More Brazen And Extremely Aggressive At All Times Throughout The Day/Afternoon & Night! This Type Of Training Will Also Prepare Homeowners To Think About Possible Scenarios That They May Encounter During A Home Invasion! Home Invader's Could Possibly Take A Family Member Or Members Hostage And They May Have To Defend Against This Type Of Situation In A Life Or Death Encounter! Excellent Video! Thank You For The Enlightening Moment! All Legally Armed Gun Owners Should Invest In A Course Like This One! It Could Be Life Saving One Day! USCCA ROCK'S!!! ✌️🇺🇲✌️
Hey, I am disable. I can walk some but not fast or very long. I do not think I could even pass sobriety test. My plan now is just get prone & take out the thread.
One thing about shooting several times and not hitting your target can be a civil court nightmare 🌗🌗🌗 This is why regular gun owners should not be involved in those incidents but should only try to escape even if they are Armed simply because they have Not gone through years of training 😉 Due to what I do ; I meet several gun owners who haven't solved their proper belt type for carrying a firearm & due to some of the other questions the last thing I would want is to be around when they might have to be that parking lot Hero 😁😁😁😁😁😁
As far as firing the gun goes, I would change something: presuming you've practiced this (I do), move and raise your arm up and to the side to get a clearer shot at the bad guy, if he is trying to hide behind the hostage. Don't do this unless and until you have practiced this a lot. Then not only are you given a larger target, your rounds are going down rather than flying through walls.
@@onenikkione As I said, "Don't do this unless and until you have practiced this a lot." I've practiced. Others have practiced a lot more than I. Fast draw artists shoot from the hip, their guns are FAR out of their line of sight. Yet they are excellent shots.
I don't understand. Was he doing good when he didn't seem to attempt to distract or deescalate? Was he accurate in his shooting, because I thought the assailant declared her dead prior to the scernario being finished?
I really want to tune in for the live training broadcast on Tuesday July 16th but it is my birthday so unfortunately I won't be able too. Will I be able to watch this online after it airs?
Hey USCCA team, I really enjoy your videos and advise. My only thought is I’ve seen you do a bunch of these videos but you only ever use USCCA employees. Do you ever pick other random people? Just curious.
I wished you had not shown the attacker walking in last. At that point, l was watching for him to come in. If you hadn't shown him I would have been focused on the guy at the counter.
Is there training for civilians available in any cities etc ? Looks like a valuable resource to learn under stress. I carry a revolver as I not want to put 10 slugs in the air.
Im prior military and my question is at what point would you fire drawning escalation of force getting guys attention away from harming woman in this situation at point he fired the woman yes was held on to but no longer had knife to body would you give time for her to try and break away if she capable or eliminate target first chance you got?
Bravo. Now prepare for the lawsuit. You need to pay the legal battle that means you gonna lose everything you have. Your wife is going to divorce you. It is not your business to protect others. You could have just walked away. Let's see what are you going to do if you did not have a firearm with you. 10 shots you fired. 9 bullets could have gone somewhere. Think about it.
Exactly. One round finds its way into an innocent bystander and the good you may have done will be erased by the other dead or injured person nearby. Hard choice to make when an innocent life is at risk .
@@USCCAOfficial It certainly would have been appropriate for Spencer to challenge Kevin on his failure to fasten his seat belt, but Kevin is a big guy now and has responsibility to remember to do such things on his own. ;) Stay safe, guys. We count on receiving more excellent videos from you!
No disrespect to the participant in training but that lady was in the way of every single bullet he fired hitting her was more likely than hitting the guy with a knife.
Wow that’s a bit like a live fire training that I did in by in armed forces when you had to keep an eye on you buddy reaching first enemy positions shifting your line of fire their is a stress level their DI s yelling at you
Even though I carry if I saw innocent people like the first vid happen and I’m there. I’m not doing anything unless the guy is attacking me. I don’t carry for the defense of others. I guarantee no one is going to pay your court costs and lawyer fees. They way things are now you could end up in jail. No one will be stepping up to do that time for you. Your safety and protection is on you not the next guy bc he is carrying. You’re on your own. My gun ,my training , my protection not yours
USCCA Honestly I don’t care what the situation is. If it doesn’t call for me to use my firearm for my protection I’m leaving the threat area as fast as I can. I would call 911, police get paid to stop the bad guys, they have the backing of the county- city- department. Like I said I’m not risking my financial future- my home in protection of others that isn’t my job. I look out for myself only. Maybe if the laws actually protected good people instead of criminals more would step up and help others.
@@reynaldorivera7641 Not condemning anything you said. With that said that is why they have the USCCA plan or ACLDN which i belong to both just in case for that very reason. Even if it was to protect myself, chances are you will need a lawyer. You are correct we have no obligation to help. In fact majority of situations like 3rd party where you don't know what is going on or domestic fights, I too would stay away with a 10 foot pole. In a situation like the video, again it would depend especially if there was already a sketchy person in there, i would be thinking accomplice. But like retail, location, location, location. If i thought she was going to be killed AND i had the ability to take a shot I know would be on target, I might take it. Wouldn't be worried about the legal aspect because of having USCCA ACLDN and reading a ton of books on justified self defense. Again agree, would call 911 and if i was already near the exit that too would influence my actions.
einyv the part where you said if you could take a shot of the lady would be killed if you knew you would hit the target you might shoot. I wouldn’t even if the person was in hands reach and I didn’t need a firearm to stop the person. I would rather not risk my life in any way for others. Even if I had OJ Simpson’s lawyer
@@reynaldorivera7641 each person has to make their own decision. Like I said in many cases wouldn't. But in a situation where I am in a position where I knew I could take the shot without hitting the lady or bystander I would. Chances of being in that situation very unlikely and I will not know unless I am actually facing it. Having coverage for something like this allows me not to have to worry about the possible financial aftermath. I am not some Rambo hero type and hope I am never faced with it but If I am unfortunate and it does, I hope I make the correct decision, whatever that might be.
Well, if I were in that situation, and were to have a conceal-carry firearm with me, the instinct in this "code red" situation with the knife is to shoot the assailant in the leg to stop the threat from the knife wielder and not kill the assailant. Neutralizing the threat without killing the attacker unless absolutely necessary is the new norm, I guess.
Weapon don’t leave my holster for anyone but me or my immediate family. Too much liability and what “if” scenario. Better you make damn sure you know who the aggressor is and you have perfect aim and judgment if you jump in on someone else’s behalf or else you’re spending the rest of your life in jail
This gonna be one of the things I do before I even by a gun. This last 2 years the worlds got a bit crazy so I wanna be prepared in case of a bad situation.
I’m betting the only reason his hits weren’t registering and he only got one hit was because he was probably putting shots into the dudes head at first either that or dude panicked and was slinging rounds
This scenario is easy in my country. You are not allowed to help the lady. Leave the place and call the cops. We are not allowed protect each other and barely can ourselves.
The shooter is going to jail. He’s not a cop and the threat was not directed at him. He had the opportunity to flee. You are not obligated to assist. It’s called personal defense for a reason.
This is why it's important to know your state laws. In Texas, we have Texas Penal Code 9.33 Defense of Third Person: A person is justified in using force or deadly force if: (1) under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.31 or in using force or deadly force to protect himself against the unlawful force or unlawful deadly force he reasonably believes to be threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and (2) the actor reasonably believes that his intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person. And 9.32 Deadly Force in Defense of Person (1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: (A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or (B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery. (b) The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor: (1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used: (A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; (B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or (C) was committing or attempting to commit an offense described by Subsection (a)(2)(B); (2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and (3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used. (c) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section. (d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(2), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (c) reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat.
Depends on who you ask.😉 Pretty sure the lady being held at knife point would have had a probem with you leaving her to die. Then again she would never know you were able to help but decide not to.. It's whatever you are willing to live with.
QUESTION: Have you participated in scenario-based training?
I have not.
I have not, but would love to. I would love to participate in realistic affordable scenario-based training. I wonder if USCCA would take instructors on "tour" to certain convention centers around the Country so they could do scenario based training indoors, but have enough room to set things up in real life fashion?
I did in the Marine Corp, but it was way different as we were in a situation where we were expecting an encounter. The shoot/don't shoot house that the Havelock PD in NC made available for our training put us in more of a house clearing/adversary tracking scenario. I think that this "Proving Ground" training is something that I would definitely take advantage of if it were available to the public here in San Antonio.
Yes, with Simunitions. It was eye-opening. Also, with live-fire via a large mylar mirror.
Not that scenario but I have trained in scenario training using different gear several times
Am a Vietnam vet and have shot many rounds of ammo. I have a carry permit in Oklahoma and carry every day. Great video and appreciate your service to the gun owners of America
Welcome home. Oxoxo
Thank you for your service sir.
👏 After watching this and watching Active Self Protection videos, I really need to take a training course like this.
Everyone needs training after loosing knowledge watching asp videos lol!
@@Thumper68 why the comment? What is so bad about them?
WHAT IF HE INJURED AND/OR KILLED BOTH THE SUSPECT AND THE VICTIM? WILL HE GO TO JAIL FOR KILLING THE VICTIM BY ACCIDENT?
@@seanlee7563 I don’t know. It is possible.
@@seanlee7563 yes there is a good chance and that’s why I’d run/flee in that situation
This type of training would be awesome. Really puts real world scenarios into perspective.
I'm a retired LEO from Texas. I was involved in three shooting scenarios during my career, only one where anyone was shot. Unfortunately in that one I was forced to take two lives, and my partner a third. Three gangbangers had stolen a truck from a family of four in DFW, killing the entire family. They then fled south towards Mexico, where a trooper picked them up on a bolo near San Marcos. They ran, and I intercepted south of New Braunfels. They turned into a dark cemetery, blew both front tires jumping a curb, then spread out and attempted to ambush us as we cleared their vehicle. These scenario-based training exercises are by far the most valuable training available. It's amazing how much stress you can induce even when the subject is completely aware it is a training scenario.
“Preacher”… then you woke up. Lol
You should also be aware that the attacker may suddenly rush at you. I used to fence quite a lot, both Olympic foil/epee/sabre, and more of a freeform historical style using fiberglass rapiers and daggers. People can cover amazing amounts of distance before you even realize they are moving.
I had never heard of the Tueller drill until about a month ago, but I've been doing this in training and very occasionally in real life for most of my life. If you've started with a lot of self-defense training (not a McDojo) and/or fencing, that is a natural thing to do. If the attacker is charging, move out of the way, but don't do it so soon that they have time to alter course.
Move slow until you move fast, then move very fast.
Good reminder to be on alert all the time.
The only thing I question is 10 shots and one hit. Time for some "draw and fire one shot drills". To me the first shot is the most important. Wild Bill Hickock gave a man this advice , " Take your time and make sure your shot is true. Just don't take too much time."
That's good advice! In a situation like this, both time and accuracy are important. What drills do you do to balance speed and accuracy?
@@USCCAOfficial It has been difficult to sign up at any ranges right now, as most aren't holding new member orientation classes or are spacing them out quite a lot.
So I, my wife, and some friends bought Airsoft replicas of the handguns we chose, so we can practice at home in the backyard. I know it isn't a perfect stand-in for a firearm, but better than no practice.
I have an idea for an electronic target. It will include the capability to have a hostage in front of the bad guy, and to light up with a different color and sound depending on which one you hit.
I'm pretty good with electronics, so...
@@USCCAOfficial Have walk up drills where you start at 15yards at draw point communicate with hostile (communication may cause hostile train of thought from victim to you) as you move up slowly stop 5 yards and repeat tell your in a better postion to make accurate shot placement if situation cant be resolved with out deadly force
At same time this depends on how hostile reacts
Maybe its military training but as a firearm carrier I accept that I rather have the threat on me then a innocent bystander
A little off topic but didn't wild bill die from being shot in the back of the head execution style at a poker table? Or was that someone else? I seen a really interesting show about the colt revolver and they talked about a few of the famous western guys. Didn't he also accidentally shoot his faithful deputy in the face during a shootout? I guess he got tunnel vision. Those guys had adrenaline for breakfast everyday.
It doesn't matter how fast you shoot if you don't hit anything.
6:30 Alright, am I the only one who was thinking "Hes opening fire on the knife guy while the woman is directly in the line of path catching every bullet as a meat shield until the 5th shot or so"??? Or is that just because of the camera angles? Because that damn sure looked like he had like a 5 inch circle target to get the knife guy's head and anywhere else was all going into that lady
So no penalties for letting of 10 rounds and only landing one ? That pretty reckless 😳
watch police shootouts. it's very common under stress
This is the type of training that everyone who carries should seek out. Handling a weapon is one thing but performing under stress is another.
Am a Vietnam Vet and Have been a USCCA member for a while. I Carey every day and pay attention to any signs places may post as to "No firearms permitted". This helps keep me out of trouble
Depending on your state, these signs might not be applicable in a situation that requires it. There are very few states that legally uphold those "no firearms permitted" signs. They're essentially signs that tell you the business doesn't want them, and they can get you cited if you refuse to leave, but if they never see your firearm, then you're fine.
For example, that recent mall shooting in Indiana had signs that stated, "gun free zone", but the citizen using self-defense did not get charged for using his gun in defense. Indiana is one of those states that those signs can't be upheld legally in a situation like that.
Great training!
With over 21 years in the US Military, I have gone over things like this on a combat level in training and in real combat!
Thank you for your service, Tom.
How would you have reacted towards that situation?
I have not and the sad part is most ranges will not let you or have no kind of set up for something like this. I did do some while in the 82nd but not something like this, this is way different.
Thank you for your service, Perry! Have you talked to your range to see if they might consider putting on this kind of training or recommending some places to you?
Enjoyed watching the training self- defense scenario. It's very helpful for real life situations. I'd enjoy seeing more of these types.
That was pretty cool; I would love to go through training like this.
This type of training is really important. I wish police got more of it. They don't get enough. Heck I don't get enough.
Very good training scenarios. Thanks so much.
Wow, good session. He knows something is going to happen but doesn't know what, that's stressful enough, had one hit out of ten. Can you imagine under a real life stressful scenario, hitting once might be hard to get. Good job
Thank you for watching! It is definitely hard to get shots on target in a high-pressure situation like this! That is why we encourage everyone to incorporate different scenarios in your training if you can to best prepare you for any situation.
It's also possible that under stress, he went for the most isolated target which was probably the head. He actually wasn't using her as a face shield like you see a lot of the time. He could miss his head and still not be too close to hitting her. At least this specific case.
Walking toward the KNIFE-wielding assailant while seeing the front site on his chest, increases the likelihood of center mass, while putting the assailant down and protecting the victim.
what if hes got a partner thats acting as a victim to cover him in case you fight back the closer u get the more blind you get to whats around u..
just like how jarred and Amanda miller cowardly murdered joseph Wilcox. (as well as 2 LEO's)
its all a bad situation no matter..
just have to use ur training, instincts, observation and access the situation to the best of your abilities...
but yes if ur correct if the situation u were in called for it would be sufficient.
This was really really cool, and very beneficial, shame it doesn't have more views, it was awesome
That was an awesome opportunity to see how your training comes through as muscle memory.
Even knowing the situation was just a training scenario, it seemed emotionally powerful. You rightly emphasize that the choice of whether to intervene in a third-party conflict is a personal decision. However, I think that as some people seem driven to prey on the helpless, there are others who seem compelled to defend victims against predators. There may be an after-the-fact rationalization to attempt to apply logic to the decision, but in the split-second and high pressure framework of such an encounter, the decision to intervene may come from a deeper level than the notoriously slow-moving rational brain. It's good to see that Spencer's training has helped him make good use of his reasoning to empty his hands, stage himself for escape or lethal response and avoid locking up. His brain was still working when many people would just be frozen and staring. While most of us will likely never have the opportunity for scenario-based training, watching these scenarios and thinking through what we would do or avoid doing may provide the next best thing. That's one way John Correia's Active Self Defense videos can be so helpful. Thank you to USCCA for providing these training videos. Hopefully the training you offer will keep more people alive, more good guys out of jail, and USCCA insurance rates lower.
Thank you so much for watching and for your feedback, Fred! I'm glad you are enjoying and benefiting from these videos! have you taken any scenario-based training yourself?
@@USCCAOfficial I do appreciate your videos and consider them possibly of greater importance to me than the insurance since they might reduce the likelihood of needing to use it as well as increase the likelihood of survival in the event of a selfdefense situation. Unfortunately, I have not had an opportunity for scenario-based training, although I certainly would like to. Having a disability that requires use of a cane, I am acutely aware of increased vulnerability and probably increased attractiveness as a target to criminals. Therefore increasing available time for assessment and reaction through enhanced situational awareness is especially important for me. Even though I work on developing that, I still find myself focusing often on relatively trivial things rather than maintaining awareness more broadly. I wonder whether training (scenario-based or otherwise) could be offered that would focus on actually enhancing situational awareness rather than just talking about its importance. I think the message of the importance of situational awareness has propagated broadly through the selfdefense community, certainly throughout the USCCA's audience, but there's probably as much difference between knowing its importance and learning to exercise it as there is between learning the importance of firearms as an option for selfdefense versus actually learning to use a firearm competently for that purpose. Perhaps Kevin and your outstanding team could apply some thought to training your members to be competent practitioners of situational assessment.
@@fredcox961 That's a very good point! We should definitely look into more of that training for our followers!
Thank you for sharing this
Damn, I wish there were classes like this in my state. And maybe there are I’m gonna have to look. Truthfully, they should put you through these classes for 20 hours or more if you want a conceal and carry permit. I think these classes are more important than anything else, as they will teach you the proper etiquette as to what’s right and wrong and what you should do in certain situations.
No, no, no. Whose paying for these 20hrs of training? Bc there's no fee with any of my other rights. I get the sentiment but...no
@@joshuabruce9920 Maryland you do have to do 16 hours of training for your conceal carry permit. Of course we pay for it ourselves.
Is it a pain? Yes. But it’s proven all the time that carrying is not for everyone and even if you’re a good shot that doesn’t mean you’re a good decision maker or threat assesser.
Thats awesome the way they set this up to train you thats training done right in my book
These videos are excellent
I'd like to do one like this. But after being in a deadly force situation, the personal training I had helped a lot.
I'm sorry to hear you experienced that, Chris! I'm glad you are alright!
That scenario honestly would be close to what I would have also done. I would have hated myself if I had left and someone got stabbed. I hope I would have had proper distance, the right angle and clear sight picture not to hurt innocent people in the room.
I have done Karva Maga for years, sorry about the spelling, but I have done stuff you are walking around and out of no were you have someone jump you and have no idea if they had a weapon, and I did stuff were I had to get someone out of a bad situation
Please can we get more of these. I love these videos
One common theme I am seeing in your videos like this is that people do not remember a site picture. It is more of a point and shoot kind of scenario. To me that just reinforces one of my primary drills.
That drill is dry fire point and shoot with a laser bullet. My pistol is double action with second strike capability so I all I have to do is pull the trigger. No racking the slide.... Yay! Anyhow, I practice sitting laying standing kneeling you name it. And not just at a target in front of me but in all kinds of various locations and positions. And without having to rack the slide I can require multiple targets in multiple locations.
Bottom line is it is going to be point and shoot anyhow so why not be proficient at that. I can easily hit a 4 inch circle anywhere within 10 feet. It's fun, easy, and almost free!
All that said of course normal shooting using the sites was not be ignored either. No doubt there are many circumstances that would allow for more precision shooting.
Fantastic. Agree completely.
I am definitely staying and protecting the citizens in my community. My conscience would not let me run away.
Where can common people get the same type of training?
I wonder if it crossed Spencer’s mind that the guy in black with the gun in his back right packet could’ve been an accomplice of the guy holding the knife?
I'm not sure if it did, Jason. It honestly didn't cross my mind either! How do you think he would have handled the situation differently if he did consider this?
@@USCCAOfficial Not my conversation but i know from ASP and others, the old saying one is two, two is three, etc...Depending on where i was , I am not sure If i would want that guy to be in a position behind me. I would try to position myself so both are in my view if possible. If not, I would have to make a split second decision an decide if the mannerisms of the guy in black is one of fleeing or something else.
To behind honest I am not sure if shooting at that specific time was right. 10 shots way to much, especially since we are accountable for every bullet. Time buys you options and waiting another second or 2 could have results in less shots missed, better shooting position. The guy with the knife was looking all over the place and with the guy giving warning commands it brought attention to him. Personally i would have said nothing and took the shot when i thought i would be on target. No need to give a warning command. Of course with adrenaline pumping reactions will be different.
@@USCCAOfficial I would've position myself in way not allowing anyone to get behind me by using the counter top as my back stop allowing the guy in black to remain in my view or commanded everyone to kneel/hide or hold in place behind cover. No matter how you train, you can't train for innocent people reactions in an active shooter situation. It's just chaos! I believe, being authoritative by using commands to assert myself, shows that I'm in control of this situation. Good Scenario and Spender reacted with the proper response.
@@einyv Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! You should definitely try to give verbal warning commands to de-escalate the situation before taking any shots. Sometimes these verbal commands can stop an incident before resulting to deadly force. We are definitely accountable for every bullet that is fired from our firearm so accuracy is definitely important when it comes to training as well.
@@USCCAOfficial While I will agree giving verbal commands would be good to try to de-escalate for this particular situation where the bad guy is already has the intended victim with a knife and in striking distance wouldn't it be more prudent to take the shot(assuming you could do so safely) instead of giving a warning where that might give the bad guy time to stab/ slash the victim? That is why for this situation I would not. I could be wrong with my assessment and that is why i come to these channels and read different books to try to learn.
Now if I was in store and there was a guy holding it up with a knife, if I chose to get involved and knew no other bad guys were there I certainly would issue commands to drop the knife (assuming no victim at that time was in immediate danger).
Pretty good example of RBT overall. In its best form, this scenario would not only be followed up with an AAR, but by running the critical incident portion at least 2 more times as drills in which the "shooter" is allowed to incorporate lessons learned from the AAR; ending on a high note (success). He did most stuff well. Here's my 2 cents: at the point where he begins follow-up shots I'd like to see him begin to collapse the gap and move for superior target isolation (which includes scoring more hits at closer distance). But all of this is dependent upon the training objectives. Leaving the AO and calling 911 is a valid option in this scenario -- personal choice. No vics or bystanders hit is GOOD, but 1 hit in 10 shots needs improvement. Shooting effectively in the chaos of the real world is quite different than on a range is probably the #1 takeaway from this one.
Thank you for watching, Ken! What training would you suggest to help him with his shot placement?
@@USCCAOfficial Remember what he said when you asked about his recollection of FSF? I believe the best rapid moving target acquisition + multiple target selection "drill" is clay shooting (it's about the eyes + brain even though we call it eye-hand coordination). So I always suggest this as a favored form of sport shooting to supplement practical pistol. Then, for a specific drill that one can practice alone on an appropriate range, I use 1 of those targets with a field of different colored 4" or 5" circles, put them on the walk-up drill from 15 yds to 3 yds with someone calling out colors for THIS specific skill set: collapsing the gap while shooting with a level of target selection. With that said, this is a pretty advanced skill set (move and shoot). So I won't even consider it unless I know their static skills and movement fundamentals are already solid. Then it has to be done with one shooter at a time, 1 instructor, and at least 1 RSO supervising the bay. I cringe every time I see civilians doing the walk-up drill with rows of 6-12 shooters. I have NEVER seen this live or on video where the integrity of the line was maintained, and that is fundamentally unsafe. While RSOing this sort of fiasco, I have called ceasefire on a couple of instructors who weren't too happy with me for it. Know what I told them? Don't hire me as an RSO if you don't want your students to be safe. I just mention this because a lot of folks read these comments and I don't want anyone getting out too far over their skis.
Good scenario makes u think on ur feet 👍👍
A bit artificial. He's only in that store because they told him to go into that store. If he were in there of his own volition, he might decide to leave as soon as those guys started exhibiting ratcheted-up behavior. Instead, he stays, well, because they told me to come in here and wait for whatever happens.
There is a little bit of acting in these videos, Bearded Marley. You are right, unfortunately, he did have to stay in the building because that was how the scenario played out. It is interesting to say he might decide to leave if he could. Would you leave if you saw this happening in a store?
@@USCCAOfficial I know it sounds harsh and uncaring, but my self-defense philosophy is just that: self defense. I'm not carrying a gun in order to be anyone's hero. After all, we all have the benefit of the Second Amendment. I did my stint as a defender of the public, but now I'm a civilian. I'm a rabbit with teeth, whose first inclination is to go to ground.
I try to keep track of exits and escape routes so that I can get the heck outta Dodge at the first hint of trouble. Of course, this starts with avoiding trouble-prone soft targets to begin with (e.g., our local theater which does not allow firearms).
On the other hand, I would take advantage of an early opportunity to defuse a situation if: a) I knew all the facts behind what I was seeing (i.e., not walking in on an already-developed situation); and, b) I had the tactical advantage of surprise and could bring my weapon to bear quickly. In the above scenario, if I were standing near the woman when the guy grabbed her, instead of across the room, I might take a shot.
Unfortunately, too many awards for heroism are given posthumously.
@@johnq.public5078 You don't sound harsh at all. I completely agree with you! If you can get out of that situation safely, we definitely advise doing so. It is great to always be situationally aware so if something like this does arise, you have already located your exits and can escape! There certainly are a lot of things to consider in order to safely and rightfully act in this situation. Hopefully, some of these things get addressed during our Live Training Broadcast!
@@USCCAOfficial From what I have seen in other scenarios/videos you have to be very careful in getting involved in 3d party encounters. You may not know all the details as to why someone may be getting into an altercation with someone else. If a fire arm is involved there is a probability'/risk of hitting bystanders/curious people with their damn phone cameras wanting to film everything, So, if you do make the decision to get involved remember there is an attorney attached to each round that comes out of that firearm. You may save the day/get the bad guy but if one round finds its way into an innocent bystander you may be looking at civil if not criminal action against you. Just something to consider.
My takeaway from this great video...
Damn, if this dude that is so highly trained only hit 1 in 10 shots under duress, I need way more training!
Yeah he got himself involved in what he thought would be the issue and wasn’t paying attention.
That was super cool to see the outcome there's definitely something to be learned..love to see a lot more videos on stuff like this
I thought I was above average ability...clearly, I need better and more training...thank you for this video😁
That was awesome. Honestly I would have bugged out unless it's a store I frequent and have relationships with the workers.
This is sooo good
This kind of training it's fantastic. Very close to the real scenario. Muscle memory activated... Senses tingling... Adrenaline rush... Tunnel vision in... But I think it must be costly ? I would love to try it.
This is such a cool thing you all are doing here.
I'm sold
“You’re not even hitting me” “she’s dead”. Lol man I can’t help it I know this is supposed to be serious but it’s hard not to laugh.
Would exiting and getting as many people out a good alternative?
I'd say that depends on the situation, Isaac. Would you rather focus your attention on getting people out or helping the lady being threatened with a knife?
@@USCCAOfficial id think I rather help the lady out
Isaac, here is an example of what you are talking about. ua-cam.com/video/sapbs1H3wss/v-deo.html
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Just a big thanks to the work and videos this organization does! Awesome job to all those involved. This may not look serious to certain people but these type of drills and training are imperative to those that carry. Even if you take away little points to think about or practice on your own for that matter its a win. Every little bit helps!
This Type Of Situational Training Is Absolutely Invaluable! In Today's Societal Climate, Those Who Conceal/Carry Will Become First Responders.
Crime Is On The Uprise And Criminals Have Become More Brazen And Extremely Aggressive At All Times Throughout The Day/Afternoon & Night!
This Type Of Training Will Also Prepare Homeowners To Think About Possible Scenarios That They May Encounter During A Home Invasion!
Home Invader's Could Possibly Take A Family Member Or Members Hostage And They May Have To Defend Against This Type Of Situation In A Life Or Death Encounter!
Excellent Video! Thank You For The Enlightening Moment! All Legally Armed Gun Owners Should Invest In A Course Like This One! It Could Be Life Saving One Day!
USCCA ROCK'S!!! ✌️🇺🇲✌️
Hey, I am disable. I can walk some but not fast or very long. I do not think I could even pass sobriety test. My plan now is just get prone & take out the thread.
No, but I would like to find a location that offers this type of training in my area
Do you know if your local law enforcement might be up for the challenge of putting something like this together?
Where have you guys been, haven't seen a video from you in quite a while.
Be sure to subscribe to our channel so you know when we post new videos, John! :)
And what if he hit the lady? Would he be responsible for her death even though he was trying to protect her?
Yep
awesome
Volunteer!! This was a great scenario training production. Well written/choreographed. My question is: Where did his other 9 rounds go?
One thing about shooting several times and not hitting your target can be a civil court nightmare 🌗🌗🌗 This is why regular gun owners should not be involved in those incidents but should only try to escape even if they are Armed simply because they have Not gone through years of training 😉 Due to what I do ; I meet several gun owners who haven't solved their proper belt type for carrying a firearm & due to some of the other questions the last thing I would want is to be around when they might have to be that parking lot Hero 😁😁😁😁😁😁
As far as firing the gun goes, I would change something: presuming you've practiced this (I do), move and raise your arm up and to the side to get a clearer shot at the bad guy, if he is trying to hide behind the hostage. Don't do this unless and until you have practiced this a lot.
Then not only are you given a larger target, your rounds are going down rather than flying through walls.
"move and raise your arms up and to the side" out of your line of sight?
@@onenikkione As I said, "Don't do this unless and until you have practiced this a lot." I've practiced. Others have practiced a lot more than I.
Fast draw artists shoot from the hip, their guns are FAR out of their line of sight. Yet they are excellent shots.
👍 I like it. GB
I just came to figure out where's the best place to shoot someone if its in self defense but now I'm fully invested into these scenarios....
I don't understand. Was he doing good when he didn't seem to attempt to distract or deescalate? Was he accurate in his shooting, because I thought the assailant declared her dead prior to the scernario being finished?
I really want to tune in for the live training broadcast on Tuesday July 16th but it is my birthday so unfortunately I won't be able too. Will I be able to watch this online after it airs?
Hey USCCA team, I really enjoy your videos and advise. My only thought is I’ve seen you do a bunch of these videos but you only ever use USCCA employees. Do you ever pick other random people? Just curious.
Unless I am mistaken... his first 4 shots was when the woman was between hi. And the bad guy?
I wished you had not shown the attacker walking in last. At that point, l was watching for him to come in. If you hadn't shown him I would have been focused on the guy at the counter.
Reminds me of that training from American assassin
There are HUGE differences in the various state laws, know the law in your State!
Is there training for civilians available in any cities etc ? Looks like a valuable resource to learn under stress.
I carry a revolver as I not want to put 10 slugs in the air.
got 1 hit out of 10 shots. something to think about
Ive just become a gold member today!!!!
He didn't hit the ladies vest. Doesn't mean her face isn't full of holes lmao
Im prior military and my question is at what point would you fire drawning escalation of force getting guys attention away from harming woman in this situation at point he fired the woman yes was held on to but no longer had knife to body would you give time for her to try and break away if she capable or eliminate target first chance you got?
Would you commuincate with hostage saying I have you covered if you can get away try?
hope i never get in this situation while armed. especially when a knife is involved.
Bravo. Now prepare for the lawsuit. You need to pay the legal battle that means you gonna lose everything you have. Your wife is going to divorce you. It is not your business to protect others. You could have just walked away. Let's see what are you going to do if you did not have a firearm with you. 10 shots you fired. 9 bullets could have gone somewhere. Think about it.
Exactly. One round finds its way into an innocent bystander and the good you may have done will be erased by the other dead or injured person nearby. Hard choice to make when an innocent life is at risk .
Which is why you have self-defense insurance. But it still won't be easy.
@@EddieLeal Very good point. I was a bit alarmed at him emptying the magazine.
@@AlienRelics Insurance will only apply to pay the defense lawyer. It will not cover the third party liability.
Why is a cop not wearing his seat belt in a moving vehicle? That's a no-no, Kevin.
That is definitely a no-no, Fred! Don't worry, we already gave Spencer a stern talking to. ;)
@@USCCAOfficial It certainly would have been appropriate for Spencer to challenge Kevin on his failure to fasten his seat belt, but Kevin is a big guy now and has responsibility to remember to do such things on his own. ;) Stay safe, guys. We count on receiving more excellent videos from you!
I know! :')) So I'm not the only one who noticed that...
I miss seeing these videos. New ones on the way???
No disrespect to the participant in training but that lady was in the way of every single bullet he fired hitting her was more likely than hitting the guy with a knife.
They said their targeting system indicated that none of his shots hit her.
Honestly I would've told that lady to stfu and hand over her stuff as I ran out the door.
Wow that’s a bit like a live fire training that I did in by in armed forces when you had to keep an eye on you buddy reaching first enemy positions shifting your line of fire their is a stress level their DI s yelling at you
Wouldn't it be funny if he just walked in and started robbing the place instead😅
Even though I carry if I saw innocent people like the first vid happen and I’m there. I’m not doing anything unless the guy is attacking me. I don’t carry for the defense of others. I guarantee no one is going to pay your court costs and lawyer fees. They way things are now you could end up in jail. No one will be stepping up to do that time for you. Your safety and protection is on you not the next guy bc he is carrying. You’re on your own. My gun ,my training , my protection not yours
That's a good point, Reynaldo. You also don't know the full situation of what is happening. Would you call 911 before getting involved?
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Honestly I don’t care what the situation is. If it doesn’t call for me to use my firearm for my protection I’m leaving the threat area as fast as I can. I would call 911, police get paid to stop the bad guys, they have the backing of the county- city- department. Like I said I’m not risking my financial future- my home in protection of others that isn’t my job. I look out for myself only. Maybe if the laws actually protected good people instead of criminals more would step up and help others.
@@reynaldorivera7641 Not condemning anything you said. With that said that is why they have the USCCA plan or ACLDN which i belong to both just in case for that very reason. Even if it was to protect myself, chances are you will need a lawyer. You are correct we have no obligation to help. In fact majority of situations like 3rd party where you don't know what is going on or domestic fights, I too would stay away with a 10 foot pole.
In a situation like the video, again it would depend especially if there was already a sketchy person in there, i would be thinking accomplice. But like retail, location, location, location. If i thought she was going to be killed AND i had the ability to take a shot I know would be on target, I might take it. Wouldn't be worried about the legal aspect because of having USCCA ACLDN and reading a ton of books on justified self defense.
Again agree, would call 911 and if i was already near the exit that too would influence my actions.
einyv the part where you said if you could take a shot of the lady would be killed if you knew you would hit the target you might shoot. I wouldn’t even if the person was in hands reach and I didn’t need a firearm to stop the person. I would rather not risk my life in any way for others. Even if I had OJ Simpson’s lawyer
@@reynaldorivera7641 each person has to make their own decision. Like I said in many cases wouldn't. But in a situation where I am in a position where I knew I could take the shot without hitting the lady or bystander I would. Chances of being in that situation very unlikely and I will not know unless I am actually facing it. Having coverage for something like this allows me not to have to worry about the possible financial aftermath. I am not some Rambo hero type and hope I am never faced with it but If I am unfortunate and it does, I hope I make the correct decision, whatever that might be.
I noticed he was ack.
Wow that’s heart breaking someone could hold a 16yo hostage and stab her! That’s so traumatizing!
Well, if I were in that situation, and were to have a conceal-carry firearm with me, the instinct in this "code red" situation with the knife is to shoot the assailant in the leg to stop the threat from the knife wielder and not kill the assailant. Neutralizing the threat without killing the attacker unless absolutely necessary is the new norm, I guess.
Weapon don’t leave my holster for anyone but me or my immediate family. Too much liability and what “if” scenario. Better you make damn sure you know who the aggressor is and you have perfect aim and judgment if you jump in on someone else’s behalf or else you’re spending the rest of your life in jail
This gonna be one of the things I do before I even by a gun.
This last 2 years the worlds got a bit crazy so I wanna be prepared in case of a bad situation.
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Why is he standing in the middle of the room w. Potential threats in all directions? Back towards the door, focused on the loudest guy.
I’m betting the only reason his hits weren’t registering and he only got one hit was because he was probably putting shots into the dudes head at first either that or dude panicked and was slinging rounds
This scenario is easy in my country. You are not allowed to help the lady. Leave the place and call the cops. We are not allowed protect each other and barely can ourselves.
UR NOT EVEN HITTING ME
Why were y’all not wearing seat belts
I heard she is dead. Hope she gets better.
Run from the knife charge for the gun, I’d charge for the knife anyways if I was going to try to save a life by risking my own.
I would loved to see a little more. They touched a little bit on it, but what could he have done better? 1 hit isn't really that good.
The shooter is going to jail. He’s not a cop and the threat was not directed at him. He had the opportunity to flee. You are not obligated to assist. It’s called personal defense for a reason.
This is why it's important to know your state laws.
In Texas, we have Texas Penal Code 9.33 Defense of Third Person: A person is justified in using force or deadly force if:
(1) under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.31 or in using force or deadly force to protect himself against the unlawful force or unlawful deadly force he reasonably believes to be threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and
(2) the actor reasonably believes that his intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person.
And 9.32 Deadly Force in Defense of Person (1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
(b) The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
(C) was committing or attempting to commit an offense described by Subsection (a)(2)(B);
(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and
(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
(c) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section.
(d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(2), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (c) reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat.
Ummm wouldn’t the right thing to do is leave...?
Depends on who you ask.😉 Pretty sure the lady being held at knife point would have had a probem with you leaving her to die. Then again she would never know you were able to help but decide not to.. It's whatever you are willing to live with.
This scene seems overly dramatic!!! Wtf 😬
6:34 made me laugh