Trapped By a Road Rager: Should I Shoot?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Free Gun Giveaway ►bit.ly/2RH7DzW
If you find yourself trapped by a road rager and wondering, "should I shoot?" then this video is for you. The question: "Should I shoot a road rager" is always tricky in such an unknown situation where you don't want to suffer legal consequences. Today, you're going to learn how to handle a road rager the right way meaning, the legal way!
Want 31 more thought-provoking "Should I Shoot?" training scenarios? UA-cam subscribers can save BIG and get this lifesaving book for only $19: bit.ly/Should-I...
Today Kevin and Justin discuss what happens when a potential road rager follows you home. It's a complicated scenario, but one that happens all too frequently so it's good to prepare yourself. This situation requires an understanding of deadly force criteria - is your life in imminent danger and can you legally defend yourself?
Have you ever been the victim of road rage?
For more nail-biting scenarios, claim your Should I Shoot? book today, with 31 deadly force scenarios that will change the way you think about concealed carry. Visit the following website and instantly save 36%: bit.ly/Should-I...
The USCCA’s mission is to Educate 10 Million Gun Owners, Legally Protect 1 Million USCCA Members, Stop 20,000 Crimes, and Save 1,000 Lives.
Like and share these educational and informative videos. Together we can Save Lives.
Ready to join our mission? You can activate your membership in less than 5 minutes and be protected by the full power of the USCCA Self-Defense SHIELD:
www.usconceale...
Not ready to join? You can learn more about the USCCA and how we're trusted by over 285,000 responsibly Armed Americans by contacting our Wisconsin-based Member Service Agents at 1-877-677-1919 or visit us online at USCCA.com!
If you're a responsible gun owner, we'd love to have you subscribe and join us!
SUBSCRIBE!
bit.ly/Subscrib...
LIKE THIS VIDEO?
1. Click The Like Button Above - We’d Appreciate It :-)
2. Submit Your Questions In The Comments Below
3. If you have any immediate questions about the USCCA, we’d love to hear from you. Call 877-677-1919 or visit www.usconceale...
Continue Your Training:
- [FREE Video] Avoid the Top 10 Concealed Carry Mistakes - www.usconceale...
- [Free Issue] Concealed Carry Magazine - bit.ly/Free-Tri...
- [Free Guide] Choose your Best Gun - bit.ly/Free-Cho...
- [Free Tips] 101 Easy-To-Master Accuracy Secrets - bit.ly/Free-Acc...
- [Free Reciprocity Map] Know The Laws In Your State - bit.ly/Free-CCW...
LET'S CONNECT!
Join The USCCA Community:
-- community.usco...
-- /
-- / uscca
-- /
-- / uscca
Learn More About USCCA ►bit.ly/3tFYUeF
#roadrageselfdefense #selfdefenseroadrager #selfprotectionroadrager
I would also add. If you are stopped and someone is coming at you, blow your horn so you will have witnesses.
Great idea, Kevin!
Dash cams are cheap and useful
And hold it down
And then run over their ass with your car instead of shooting them. 😜
Damn good idea. Hope I remember that LOL
I've been carrying for almost 30 years never had to draw hope it stays that way.
Depends on where you live. Unfortunately a lot of places are getting crazier
@Bad Twin yea man detroits crime rate is crazy
Any advice for us who are about to start carrying?
U agree 100%
@@dylanmartinez2157 get insurance I have uscca
It's sad when todays self-defense advice is more about how to protect you from the lawyers and frivolous lawsuits than the imminent physical threat approaching you and your family. If it comes to that, I'll take my chances with the lawyers.
Thats my thoughts exactly. I also wonder why democrats want more gun laws instead of harsher punishment for gun crimes
True
@@blue03r6 unfortunately…neither help. Laws and harsher restrictions only affect law abiding gun owners
“I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.”
@@mbell985 tell that to Derek chauvin . He got railroaded by a democrat jury that felt threatened by the comments they seen on tv. I have 0 faith in our justice system
It’s incredible how many rules there are for good people and how few for criminals.
?
That’s why u don’t call 911 unless shots are fired
@@jamesalafayette8255 ????
And how come criminals seem to get endless chances and good guys go straight to prison?
Ah; SINCE WHEN have MISCREANTS and THOSE of CRIMINAL MIND AND INTENT HAVE FOLLOWED ANTHING OTHER THAN THEIR OWN CRAVEN DESIRES AND PURSUITS ?! I am not being " FACETIOUS," just merely stating a factual statement within a " rhetorical question."😒🗽
Driving to the police station or sheriff's office sounds like the best advice!
If you can find one quick!
Unless it’s 10,20,,, 30 min Away. Mine is no more than 15 min from any of the farthest places I can think of
Ive done it I figure I was saving the road rager from me lol
yea if no police station just drive till you find a patrol car and flag them down.
nah. Get as far away anybody that can get you into trouble for smoking a goober
Driving to the police station is another option.
It depends on how far it is away.
I've been followed across town. Made numerous deliberate turns and then decided to call 911 and tell them I will be driving past the xxx police station in 5 minutes. I described my car and the following vehicle and the guy got pulled over. I then turned around into the police station and gave my statement on the incident. The biggest thing was that I didn't stop my vehicle until he was stopped
While that is certainly an option, Malik, you do have to take into consideration your proximity to the police station.
CNT12696, I am glad to hear you were safe in that situation.
We used to drag race at the police station because it’s the place in town you never see police. Watch your speed around McDonalds though.
Best is NOT to react to someone who cuts you off or is a road rager. They will in 99% of the cases blow up and if you don't respond it'll take the wind out of their sails. If you flip them off or engage into the road rage battle, it can easily turn very bad. It's just not worth it. Don't get dragged into some idiot's anger and bad day.
For real i do the same i only use the letal force when somebody point me a gun or knife and trying hurt me you speak facts bro
@@ILoveFMilfs i was once the idiot that blew up when i was cut off. When i got to the red light i was about MF him and such! He rolled his window down and apologized......... i had nothing..... i stuttered and said "Well be more careful and aware......." lol! Totally unarmed me!
Also passengers in your car need to be on the same page with this.
I agree 100%. When you are carrying a firearm, you need to swallow your pride and be passive. Avoiding ANY kind of conflict (flipping off a driver IS engaging in conflict, no matter how small the gesture is). I don't even honk anymore now that I am carrying. If people want to be stupid on the road then let them.
Indeed.
“Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.” (Proverbs 26:4)
What happens when the guy just wants to tell you this is your last chance to extend your automobile warranty services.
No sale
Then I would have those damned telemarketeers in my crosshairs !
He's definitely getting shot! I joke....
He'll only be saying it to God.
Those persistent bastards! "For the last time, I sold the car years ago!"
If the bad guy follows you, blocks your car in and gets out of his car with a weapon, I don't think he is there to sell you cookies :)
And Norr i had that happen to me and my family at a stop light. The guy had a crowbar. I was surrounded by vehicles either at the light or parked on the street. He tried opening the passenger side door so I blew the horn to get witnesses and got out with my weapon drawn. My car is short so i coukd shoot over the vehicle if needed but I moved around the front so if i had to shoot, i had empty cars beyond the target. He ended up running away when he saw my weapon leaving his truck running blocking traffic. He ended up getting fined and arrested for that incident.
CNT12696, I am so sorry your family and you had to go through that. Glad to hear you are all okay!
I drove threw a chainlink fence when I got blocked in a dead end road. 100mph chase out that dirt road. My poor gf lol. Cops were called, fence was okay they wanted a new fence anyway.
No he actually followed you to your place and approched your car with that baseball bat because he is impressed with your batter skills and wants you to teach him. I'm sure he's a nice dude.
I had a similar situation happen to me and my now ex-wife. black gang members surrounded my car as we were coming home from dinner one night. The lead big mouth was swinging around a baseball bat. I had no intention on waiting to see how much the cookies were. I stepped out of the vehicle with pistol in hand, using the door as a shield, and quickly "addressed" the threat. Afraid of loud noises, they all ran away never to be seen by me again. This happened in Smyrna, GA.
I was in a similar situation about a year ago. I was at the grocery store at about 930pm because I like to avoid people as much as possible. A guy with a strong alcohol smell on his breath behind me in the checkout line started chatting with me. While I was on my way out, he followed me continuing to "chat". Finally he asked me for some extra change. I said I didn't have any which was true. All I had was my debit card. I stopped at the customer service counter hoping he would leave which he did. I left and noticed he was out in the parking lot. I loaded my groceries and left. He started following me so I took a long detour not going near my house and he followed me all around town. I finally pulled into the Police/Sheriff's Department and he didn't follow me there. I took another detour home to see if he was still following me. He wasn't. Scary stuff. I live in a very rural area with almost non existent violent crime rates but you never know. I carry almost 100% of the time and have for years. Glad I had it but didn't need it.
wow that is scary. situational awareness is so important glad you didnt get hurt.
I can't stand drunks.
10mm is best mm
*The beauty of CCW is often that it gives you the courage not to panic, and the confidence to both assess the situation and choose options that might defuse tension.*
*Case in point: A while back I went outside late at night to get my mail, which is down the street. As I got it, I noticed a GIANT pit bull with a head the size of a milk crate, who had stopped in his tracks and was staring me down. I had NO idea where he was from (he was NOT a neighborhood dog- and he was very definitely a ‘HE’- it was obvious from all that distance away), and I could see that he was in an offensive stance.*
*I’m not usually afraid of dogs at ALL- not even intimidated- but this dog was ‘tinkle-a-little-in-your-shorts’ kind of intimidating. He was brutally strong- I could see his musculature in the streetlight quite clearly- and I knew that I would never be able to run to my door in time to avoid being attacked, if I had panicked.*
*Knowing I had my CCW was indescribably helpful, because just then he made a menacing growl and started in my direction. I knew that running would trigger his attack instinct, and that I would never survive an attack by that beast. So, I did what I learned to do as a kid on my paper route- I summoned up all the “alpha-male” friendly-but-authoritative voice I had, and yelled, “C’mere, boy!... Come on!,” and whistled to him. He stopped in his tracks, ducked his head a little, as if he was thinking, “Wait... this isn’t my owner... is it?” I whistled again, patted my thigh, and called again. “Here boy! C’mere, buddy!... Good boy!” Again he hesitated, but my tone of voice was a “you’re not in trouble” tone, so he started toward me again...*
*But this time, instead of the purposeful, direct path he started taking toward me when he first behaved aggressively, now he was kind of pad-padding toward me like just a regular dog. I continued calling him like he was my best buddy, and as he arrived I put the back of my (non-shooting) hand out to him, and looked away. (This is a sign of non-aggression- it invites the dog to sniff your hand, without worrying him that you’re going to grab at his throat, and looking away is a sign of trust, and of lack of fear).*
*On the other hand, watching him intensely or staring him down as he approaches signals hostility, and can signal the dog to attack).*
*He walked right up to me, sniffed my hand, then looked away himself for a second, which is a dog’s way of saying, “OK, I’m cool as long as you don’t do anything sudden,” so I kept up with the soothing “good boy!” tone of voice, and reached to rub his massive head, which, it turned out- was solid muscle. I couldn’t believe the size of the muscles in this dog’s jaws and head, his chest and shoulders. Truly intimidating.*
*I petted him, only daring to squat down about halfway- visited for a minute, then started back to my house, moving easily and making no sudden moves.*
*When I got to my front door, I stopped, gave him a couple of good pats on the head and shoulder rubs, then stepped inside and shut the door with a big sigh of relief. I went to the refrigerator and grabbed a couple of leftover grilled hot dogs, and went back to see if he was still there. He wasn’t, but I still yelled, “C’ mere, boy!”, and tossed them out onto the front walkway- mainly as a sort of ‘sacrifice’ to the Lord for not becoming this dog’s midnight snack.*
*I have NO idea how I would have responded if I hadn’t had the peace of mind that- if I needed to- I could have ended the dog at any moment... Just one more in the millions of incidents a year where a CCW makes the difference between a peaceful interaction, or who knows??...*
@@handynothandsome261 Did you ever see the dog again?
We had people in Madison Wis. being attacked and punched in their vehicle, and when they tried to drive away, they were charged with hit and run. This was during the "mostly peaceful" protests of 2021. Police here do not appear to be here to help.
Yeah, things were out of control at that time everywhere. There’s was an instance where they released 911 tape of a lady calling in saying rioters were attacking her car beating it etc, you cud hear it going down. And the police said they had no one to respond! And the lady was like I’m scared here they’re getting violet and she had her kids with her too. They didn’t help at all. Cudnt believe it
I would rather go to jail than have my kids hurt, wouldn't be a hard choice.
Back when we were a free country it wouldn't have gone down like that.
The Supreme Court has ruled in the past that police do not have an obligation to protect you. I dont agree with that decision, but it is worth keeping in mind.
@@edmonddantes2745 its not someone elses job to keep you safe and comfortable, its your job.
If you think someone is following you just make 4 left turns or 4 right turns. If they're not following you they won't make all the turns with you.
I had this happen once, was in convertible 'Vette and prepared to easily evade. As he was persistent, not waving a fist or middle finger... I slowed enough to get a look at the guy (with gun in low ready) and he was then giving thumbs-up... turned-out he genuinely wanted to know if I'd sell the car. It's sad but true that in today's world we need to err on the side of caution. (We were over $10K apart on value of the car, no sale.) Your advice is solid, if they repeatedly make more than 3 turns the same way... start taking precautions.
Tom Rolfson since I drive for a living. I've gotten into a habit of doing things unexpected to check if I'm being followed. When I drive my personal vehicle I never drive the same way home and my favorite just suddenly do a J hook and go back the way I came.
Smart move, I worked for a special events ATM service where we'd have to transport large amounts of cash very discretely (meaning no armored cars pulling into large concerts/potentially unruly crowds). When doing that, all bets were off on which vehicles or how many guys were carrying or which route we'd take. While most of us want to be the Good Samaritan, you can never be too cautious for the setup/sting... whether a fake accident or single woman trying to change a flat tire. Be Safe!
Tom Rolfson that's true, I've found it helps if people have no idea where you're going or what you're going to do. I will admit when I was younger I did some stupid things when I was learning to drive and getting better at driving. I decided to do stunts like fish tails, doing a reverse 180 and so on. I can keep control at any speeds but I would never want to put others in harms way. I've moved to Texas and now I'm looking for a track or some place I can practice my driving skills and do the stupid stunts in an environment for it. I need to go talk to the county sheriff's office about it. Have a good day.
@@MrRebelcowboy32 They ain’t stupid stunts if you can use em to get out of bad situations!
I drive 8-10 hours a day for work so I can confirm, if it's a pickup truck driving aggressively, about 95% of the time it's going to be a Ram.
😎
They just wanna test how good it lives up to its namesake
Facts
The re son they were,my in a ford,they had to fix or repair daily,,,cowboy
@Neil Stefan Mason Chevy is where it's at for half tons. But they cant make a heavy duty to save their ass. Independent suspension in the front, automatic transmission, and v8 diesel. Heavy half ton at best lol
I’m a Texas cop in the DFW area, and these situations with my training and experience make more sense.
But when you are brand new to LE, or just got your CHL (LTC in Tx); these situations can be confusing.
Please do more SHOOT, DONT SHOOT scenarios complete with Tactical and Legal breakdowns. This would help newly armed citizens TREMENDOUSLY with understanding self defense with LETHAL FORCE.
In the case of a road rage incident and the angry driver is repeatedly trying to bash into while your driving away what legal grounds do you have then?
@@drphil6303 no legal ground. Eat your ego and drive away.
@@pixelty that's what I was thinking but also just curious
I live in texas with a chl and I have an question about this. What if the road rage person blocked my path and is coming at me with a bat or hammer? Can I shoot or do I wait until they attempt to enter?
When my dad was a victim of road rage, he drove straight to the LA County Sheriff Station.
I am so sorry to hear about your fathers incident, Michael. I hope everything was resolved in his favor.
What is your plan for the legal and financial aftermath of a self-defense incident, God forbid you are ever involved in one yourself?
When I was a child (9ish), my 3 brothers and 1 sister (all younger than me) were watching a Christmas story in the living room. I remember laying under the Christmas tree, squinting at the led bulbs. Mom was making dinner. We lost power, and 2 guys broke through our back door. I remember one guy held us kids at gunpoint on the ground. The other was dragging my mom up the stairs by her hair. I will never let that happen again. I carry everyday, everywhere. Keep your family safe.
I’m sorry that you had to experience a nightmarish traumatic situation.I hope you guys were able to get some help to deal with it.
Thank you for sharing. I can’t imagine the fear you must have experienced. I pray that those two cowards got what was coming to them.
I can’t imagine how this feels. Hopefully nothing happened to your mom, right?
What happened to your mom?
I would also add that I know there is debate on this but once the police arrive after having to use deadly force I would NOT talk to them without an attorney present. You’re gonna have so much adrenaline going that you may say something that’s incorrect or phrased badly.
Also, invest in a dash cam with audio that has a capacitor battery!
They say only talk to them after two days of night sleep. So you are well rested
100% ABSOLUTELY PRUDENT ADVICE - AT ALL TIMES WHENEVER AND WHEREVER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS(police and prosecutors) ARE INVOLVED.
What's a "capacitor battery"?
Unfortunately, the cash cam is much needed in today's legal climate.
Here in South ATL, I drive a convertible when the weather is nice. Always with the top down. It makes you really aware of your surrounds and I've had my hand on my gun more than once for people stepping up to my car. No roof or windows to protect you, it's always flee or get your gun.
I just want to add to this a bit. For those of you who think it’s the job of cops to protect you, think again. The US Supreme Court stated that it is Not the job of police to protect you. The Cop’s job is to investigate crime and arrest suspects and that’s it. There are way too many people out there for everyone to have their own personal cop. So sure, drive to the police station if you feel you must, but don’t think for a moment they’re going to protect you. That’s a fallacy. It’s YOUR job to protect You and nobody else’s. Get a couple dashcams and don’t leave home without them. Cover your asp.
If you drive to the police station and tell them a gun is involved (don't tell 911 that it's your gun), they'll come outside.
It is usually written on the police vehicle:
To Serve And Protect.
Sounds like the police are suppose to protect the citizens.
@@davidmarkwald450 Is actually to protect and serve. Protect comes first. While I agree that it's my responsibility to protect myself, it's also what they are sworn in to do. Maybe someone needs to remind the SC of this??
@@AndiRose21- *They’re usually quite willing to protect you- if they’re THERE. But you see, that’s the problem. It’s extraordinarily rare for the police to be present when you happen to have need of their protection.*
*The Supreme Court ruling means that the police are not required to be there to help you, for one thing- and second, that if they are there, but have other needs such as protecting themselves, they do not need to sacrifice themselves on your behalf.*
@@davidmarkwald450 nowhere does it say it's to protect civilians
As he steps out of his car , start driving off
Might want to remember you are driving a multi-thousand pound impact tool.
Don’t turn onto a dead end street. Simple. Drive to the police station
Best advice I can give you: get a dashcam. When you do everything you were advised to do, video will provide you with irrefutable evidence that will back up your claims. Just another tool in your belt
Sad that we have to make insane escapes for “self defense”. Tho he’s not wrong and not everyone deserved to be shot. But the fact we literally have to drive across lawns and through bushes and still will probably be charged is insane.
The fact we need a lawyer and a trial to proclaim self defense as self defense shows we no longer live in a morally upheld society.
based on what I've heard when somebody tries to carjack me or try to harm me in my car I need to sit in my car and wait for them to smash glass with my eyes closed before defending myself. Cool story bro
You must or you will be sued into oblivion by modern societies standereds
Im in tx bro. No.
@@robertbaker8705 well you didn't mention it was Texas 😂😬 maybe ur right in that case
@@leifhatlestadiii5152 and charged out the backside by police. They’ll try to throw the book at you for doing their job
I had a situation like that except it was a stop sign he gets out and walks up to my window and starts violently screaming he claims that I made him spill his paint inside his work van🤔 I was totally confused but i asked him to pull over somewhere safe and exchange information insurance etc with the cops involved....he obviously drove away
I had This happen to me in Atlanta. Kept driving around waiting for police to show up. Eventually the trailing vehicle knew it and departed due to time. I would not plan on police showing up in time.
So you're trying to tell me, when seconds count the police are only 15 minutes away? I smell bs😜
👍 never get into a road rage incident with someone. Small town, had 2 road ragers with prior documented incidents meet up a couple years ago, and the one got out, and shot the one behind him, in front of his wife. Both of them over 50, the shooter was late 60s. Life in prison.
What is the stalker is ramming you with their vehicle? We know what the cops would do.
I would like to see USCCA answer this question. Hopefully you have dash cam video. Watch the Active Self Protection videos. He says your car is your best defensive tool. Drive to a place of safety if you can. Remember a car impact may be intentional to start a carjacking, robbery, kidnapping, rape, etc.
I always also keep a non-lethal form of defense in my center console in the way of pepperspray.
I can lower my window 5 or 6 inches, give several quick sprays, crisis averted.
Prepare for all scenarios. Because if I misjudge a situation in the heat of the moment, I can't take back a bullet.
True good idea
They conveniently skipped the guy that comes out with a firearm.
I conveniently time stamped the part you said the guy skipped 2:37
Would the castle doctrine apply when riding a motorcycle? And if so, how and when? Assume the USCCA state of Wisconsin.
A motorcycle is a vehicle, personal property, no different then a convertible or a truck. On one hand you have flexibility and better options of escape but your more defenceless and vulnerable. In an escalating situation, imminent threat won’t be black and white, because you’re more vulnerable (and on an item easy to steal) you may have to react quicker or even abandon your vehicle for protection. Best judgement is to stay alive without anyone being harm, and if someone is going to be harm then last resort is make sure you can calmly give your statement to your attorney and the police. Also a dashcam would be a great investment-I try not to drive without one for my protection and the protection of others.
Typically, a motorcycle is not considered to be a part of Castle Doctrine laws. This is because there cannot be a “threshold”that is crossed.. Proximity is not the same indicator of intent, just like shooting someone through a closed door will not make a case that you were responding properly.
I have been in this situation numerous times after some perceived slight while riding. Maybe bypassing traffic, splitting lanes in stopped traffic, going around an accident .. or mostly just being in the wrong place somehow.
All car/truck/etc. drivers KNOW that you are vulnerable on a bike.. they have ZERO qualms about bumping you from behind, cutting you off at speed, brake checking you.. I had a woman telling her children that I was subhuman and they should throw garbage and drinks at me from the passenger side windows of her Escalade.. 3 kids trying to hit you with juice boxes, snack bags and goldfish crackers will change your mind about human nature. Thank you to the CT. State Trooper who witnessed this and pushed me to press assault charges all those years ago when that happened.
Best case scenario is to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get away from the situation unharmed.. learn to jump curbs, use your higher performance to leave( but be smart about it). It is much harder to make a call from a bike without a Bluetooth system in your helmet.. Get one and use it.. and a GoPro with a linked rear camera will do wonders in court to help you prove your point.
@@TrizerFlame than*
@@TrizerFlame you’re*
Answer is always:
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
And, yes.
Astute analysis. I am a retired prosecutor and pistol i structor in Texas. Nothing in this video was unreasonable as a response to the scenario. Good job!
I keep a pump shotgun in my car. I aint the one you want chief.
mossberg shockwave? LOL.
2:20 In Nebraska we must always default to escape and avoid. No options unless the threat is immediate and deadly. Even then evade is the much better choice. No one wants or needs the aftermath of a self defense incident. Always leave a way out, space is safe as I say. The curb is not a great everyday option. The curb is a friend if you need to drive up and over to avoid a situation.
I have owned some guns my whole life, I have had a CC permit for a good many years. But I miss the days when I felt I did NOT NEED IT. When I was young, starting in the 60's I traveled for about 12 years, I never felt like I needed a gun. But by the late 80's I felt like I needed a firearm with me all the time. The country changed.
Today, if you are going to the corner store or local gas station, you better have it. Its just a matter of time, especially with all the overloading of home construction in areas once quite, doubling in capacity in a few years, drawing city folk out further to our towns.
Had this situation years ago (cell phones were still uncommon). Finally saw police stopped and turned towards them... getting pinned in by a train and the guys who pulled a knife on me at a light and beat on my car to steal my dog. Luckily when they attempted to smash in, I had my Makarov ready and down. After the strikes & ignoring my verbal commands I pointed it at him and they took off. They ended up living 2 blocks from me & nothing came of my police report, but we were safe! Feel better hearing this is how to handle it. Thank you!
Makarov, more like BACK-OFF
What if he/she starts shooting at me while I’m inside my car can I open door get out and start shooting at him?…
Ive heard it from here or elsewhere from LAWYER that anything you let out from the first 911 call to speaking to a lawyer can and will... The point is this includes before lawer and after 911 call. EVEN the 911 call details you give can be inadmissible simply because they are pert of the call. Not sure why, but this is paraphrase from attorney. However the person who calls first is usually seen as victim. So personally im going to call, say ive been attacked. Give the location and that's it. Everything else, take the oficers advice and wait for an attorney. It doesnt matter whos feelings are hurt; this could now be your freedom, even if you did everything right.
I've been in 2 self defense encounters, unfortunately. But thankfully, everybody walked away, even after I fired two rounds at the last guy who broke into my house. He was unharmed and took off running, so I stopped shooting as soon as the threat was stopped.
Always keep ear pro and eye pro in your vehicle. We had some riotous activity in my area last year. I put my eye pro on and one and my right ear plug in. That way, if I had to engage, I might be able to do it without ruining my hearing. Rarely can you prepare that far in advance but when you can, do. All of our vehicles have ear and eye pro in both map pockets and in the rear seat back pockets.
I live in Florida, where Stand Your Ground law is a blessing if you are on YOUR property or Families. That being said, No, I am NOT damaging my nice lawn or my nice car to try and get away from you. If you illegally entrap me in my driveway, my front and rear dashcams are going to catch me blast your ass. I don’t care 😂 granted I’ll be on the phone with 911, and I’ll even tell them I’m going to pop this guy if he doesn’t move. I’d be afraid for my life, and my families if say they were in the car, with me or just in the house. Don’t care.
Kinda shy that I have to wait for the extra evidence by letting him smash my car, I would try to not let them get any damage dealt to me or my property.
Make sure to have some bruises first too. Broken bones are a plus. (Jk)
Han Solo should have done a Y-turn at Yavin 4 so Darth Vader would think the rebel base was somewhere else
Them: *"HEY!!! You left the car seat on the roof!!!"*
Me: pop pop pop
I was followed by a road rager and I decided to go to a bright light gas station near a police station. I didn't feel my car was a tactical advantage so I got out the car and used the car in a way to block him from getting too close with out having to go around I yelled orders and once he got out the car I got back in and fled before he could follow again. I wasn't armed at this time and was much younger.
I was close to home when I realized and didn't want him knowing where I lived. I see the mistake was not calling the police and getting out the car (considering if he was armed that could've be a grave mistake)
#Learning
Pro Tip: When driving leave enough room to turn out of a stopped lane of traffic by leaving turning space between you and the car in front of you. For most vehicles, if you can see where their rear tires are making contact with the roadway then you will have enough room to escape that lane of traffic. That may be all you need to escape by making a u-turn or crossing a divider/sidewalk/etc.
Navigate and communicate. Pay attention to where you are headed and plan ahead. Lead them to a nearby police or fire station, rather than down a one-way residential street where you can be trapped with no help. That's the navigate part, the communicating part is calling 911 and keeping them informed of where you're headed, what your plan is, what the other driver is doing. Keep them on the phone but remember, navigate first, communicate second. Stay focused on not getting trapped and heading to safety.
Nice info but if you feel like you have no choice but a dead end that’s where your gun comes in handy.
Like others have stated. I have carried a handgun from a young age. I'm 32 now and never had to pull it out. I PRAY I never have to draw my gun. There is nothing cool about taking someone's life, even if they deserved it. The best thing to do is ALWAYS to get away from danger IF YOU CAN! unfortunately not everyone can. Like me most prob worry bout the case YOU will catch just defending yourself. Kinda sad! It's the world we live in now!
Glosses over the scenario that YOU were the inconsiderate driver and pissed someone off. Be self aware of how you treat others on the road.
Lol? The cause of the rage is meaningless. Dumbass.
@@irelandgunner9511 The cause is everything. Especially if you are the one causing it, creating an unnecessary situation, needlessly endangering you and your family. Take responsibility for your actions. Dumbass.
@@matthewwynne939 no, it actually isn't, dumbass. Learn the law. The second a self defense encounter starts, everything that led up to it is null and void so long as it's clean in and of itself. Go to school.
@@irelandgunner9511 You keep talking ramifications that take place after the encounter, when wouldn't it be best to avoid the encounter in the first place? The easiest way to survive a gunfight is to never get in a gunfight to begin with. My point is don't be a bully on the road, and that will avoid upsetting other people with guns. Don't become a headline for the gun-grabbers; "Gun owner cuts off a driver and then shoots that driver in an argument."
Why do you assume that road ragers are always in the right, and have justification for being enraged?
I was followed by a road rager. I didn’t drive home. I found a good road to pull over, drew, and locked eyes on them as they pulled along side. They could sense I was serious in my intent and wisely drove off after cursing a few times. Have a backbone and you might not need to do more than that.
Great way to get arrested don't follow this advice
"911, here is what happen"? NEVER offer up details to the dispatcher.
Why
I need medic at 123 fake street and hang up. Those calls are public records and can be used in court
@@airsoftfreak11 Because anything you say can be used against yourself in a court room. Imagine calling 911 and saying,
"I just shot someone in self defense!"
Duh, that's what everyone who just shot someone would say, including the bad guy who is lying to get away with murder.
I've been in this situation. You should call 911 ASAP before it escalates. If you're being followed, yes, a pulling into a police station is the best, but if none are nearby, try a firehouse (although not law enforcement, many firemen would intervene), bank or school parking lot which usually has cameras or a crowded store parking lot. I HIGHLY recommend a DASH CAM with FRONT and REAR cameras!
What it comes to making a decision to defend myself, the rapper ice cube said it best: "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
I would rather die protecting my family them have 12 send me to prison for life
I'm a female and I had a man in a white panel work van follow me for 34 miles and to 3 different store locations ( I was trying to lose him by driving into shopping centers ) I finally tricked him and got away but I'm still thinking about buying a gun. All of that drama because I merged into traffic in front of him on the highway. He was in a work vehicle too which really freaked me out! If you're willing to follow someone for 34 miles while working because you have road rage there's something WRONG with you!!! I'm also proud of myself that I stayed calm and beat him at his own game with a simple trick!!!
Go to a gun range and test out the Glocks. You will have lots of fun and also learn a valuable skill. Its your right to own a pistol to protect yourself. Hopefully the situation never occurs, but if it does at least you have a chance to protect yourself.
It all depends when you are. I had a dude run up on me in a " bad city " in Michigan. Literally followed me in his car while his buddy was waiting at the stop light . Soon as I recognized the situation I drew and pointed. Dude ran off and the car stopped. The law be damed in a situation I deem life threatening, even if it was to take my wallet. I had one chamberd, the safety off and finger slowly pulling.
Remember your vehicle is like a Knight's suit of armor. Stay inside.
New sub here thx for the great information!
I remember when I was younger (and didn’t own a firearm), I was heading to my father’s house to stay the night. I inadvertently cut off a guy on the road. I noticed the guy was following me. I was nervous and did not want a confrontation or wanted to lead him to my fathers so I kept driving past my father’s house through the neighborhood. Quick thinking led me to decide to drive up to a local police station. Guy waited nearby for five minutes and drove off. Looking back I was dumb for thinking the coast was clear and driving home. I should have went inside to inform an officer of possible road rage. I was lucky. That was around 15 years ago. I learned a scary lesson.
if you know you are being followed just take them to a place with no witnesses...if someone trying to hurt you gets shot in the woods and there is noone around to hear it does it make a sound????????????
That’s the dumbest advice I’ve heard. Don’t forget the fight after the fight. Having no witnesses turns what could have been an easy legal situation into one that ruins your life.
@@karmichaelblue no witnesses means you were never there....... what legal battle???
@@npc1374 good luck when someone sees you leaving the scene or your license plates are caught on camera. You will look guilty by not reporting the incident
@@karmichaelblue that would mean there is a witness.................
@@npc1374 right. But you’re missing my point. You can either guarantee witnesses by driving to a police station, for instance, and they can see that you are not at fault…or you can do your method, HOPING there are no witnesses. But that’s a really stupid risk to take because you can’t guarantee it.
If you know the area, just drive to the local police station, fire station or hospital ER. If that's not possible just get to a well lighted place with lots of activity and make sure 911 is called with the location.
Well every time i get out of my car the rager ends up going back into his for some reason. No i don't look scary btw. But this has happened to me 5x now.
This is sound advice, however, I live in California :/
What if he is trying to tell you you left the kid in the car carrier on the roof?
Make sure you do not have that gun out when the police get on scene. And they will quite possibly get on scene before you are aware of it…so get to a position of safety, which includes safety from officers coming to the scene. Stay on the phone with dispatch and describe what’s happening until officers tell you to hang up. In short and in order:
1. Survive the criminal
2. Survive the police
3. Survive the justice system
Let me give you a tip on cars following you. When you see a car following you, slow down 20%. If he slows down, slow 20% again. If he slows down slow down so a crawl. He is then forced to overtake and leave the scene since he knows you know he is following. If he overtakes, be prepared to reverse away from him if he cuts you off and stops. If he comes for you on foot with an obvious weapon, use the car as a battering ram.
I'm not so sure slowing down is a great strategy. Maybe try it once to incentivize the other driver to pass, but if he slows down to match me after that, I wouldn't want to do it again. Going at a snail's pace or stopping entirely doesn't necessarily force him to pass; it could also give him an opportunity to cut you off and block you so he can try to hurt you. I'd much rather make every attempt to just get away, going as fast and taking as twisty a route as necessary to lose him.
I had a guy follow me once on my way back from lunch because he was annoyed that I turned onto the street in front of him (even though he had to yield lol), and I'd be damned if I was going to slow down or stop to entertain him. It only took a few turns over the course of about a minute for him to leave me alone.
Bad advice OP.
I drove to the police station once. The tough guys took off XD
Every single road rage incident where someone used their gun in “self defense” in our county was sentenced to prison or plead guilty between 2004-2017. I think it was a total of 21 people in those years span that used a firearm somehow and in some way. We are a staunch conservative area and our DA is quite conservative as well. In all of these instances not one person could articulate deadly force by any means which the majority of people who use a gun in self defense cannot do that anyways. I can grab 50 gun owners in my region of Texas and ask all of them to tell what A) Chapter 9 of the Texas penal code is, and B) When can you use deadly force? Very VERY few people can answer it correctly outside of being in imminent danger. The public do not understand you MUST ARTICULATE that deadly force. You cannot just kill “just because”. They recklessly or knowingly placed themselves in the situation to allow the incident to escalate instead of driving away or calling 911. People are extremely misunderstood about stand your ground laws.
That is why you call 911 and let them record your begging the attacker to leave you alone. If they hear the person breaking glass and your blood curling screams, maybe you can justify defending yourself. But if it's a cop, all they need. I smelled something suspicious.
Yes... best words were the last words... Drive to the police Station ... or somewhere you KNOW police will be present... and be blowing the horn when you get there... MAKE some NOISE!! So Officers will come outside!
I say yes, shoot, or at least be prepared to. They don't call it a "dead end" for nothing!
I had a guy wanted to race light to light. I beat him and he got so mad he was yelling and cussing at me and started to follow me. I texted my wife and said theirs an angry guy following me and I’m just driving around until he goes away.
I had my pistol close and remembered the cemetery I pass every day on the way home. So I turned into it thinking it would make him think and he started to turn and follow me and once he figured where he was he turned around and darted out of their.
I figured if your dumb enough to follow me into a cemetery, at least he would only be a few steps from a grave.
Ok you covered what to do if they corner you get outta their car with a close range weapon, what if they get outta the car with a gun in their hand?
Personally I think once a ranged weapon is presented and escape isn't an option it's automatically time to violently engage the threat ... am I wrong ?
Rayford, we advise our members to only resort to lethal force if you are in an imminent fear of death or great bodily harm. You should only "violently engage" a threat if there is no other option.
Does that make sense, Rayford?
What other questions can I answer for you today?
First, keep your head in the game. Throw pride out the window. In order to minimize legal OR physical danger to yourself, you should make every effort to break off contact and go your own way. If you inadvertently get trapped with no other option, and you at least made attempts to end or de-escalate the scenario, a use of force should be more easily defended in court. There are no do-overs, so just know that every altercation could lead to a life changing event. You don't have to come to every fight just because you're invited.
In Texas we have no duty to retreat.
Nice. In blue states, you have no right to defend yourself.
Pull into my driveway and pass a no trespassing sign you are in grave danger in Texas.
Tx Born and raised, and I was taught early on, to assume everyone is packing heat, because they are!
An Armed society is polite to peaceful people.
Well first of all, if you realize someone is following you, You NEVER DRIVE HOME!!
What you should do is either drive directly to the police station, if you know where it is. Or drive to some other place where there are people, hopefully people who know you but it not then just choose a place where there are a lot of other people. Front of large store or anywhere else that a large number of people congregate or if you see or know where there is a police officer. If you do this, you won't get stuck on a dead end street having to face off with a possible assailant.
Just remember you don't want to be this guy:
ktla.com/2015/07/27/911-call-captures-fatal-road-rage-shooting-of-man-in-front-of-family/
I'd rather be labeled as the worlds biggest wuss than having to pull my firearm over a road rage incident. That is why I rarely use my car horn. Most people use it in anger instead of politely notifying people they are about to cross into your lane/path.
www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/09/dean-weingarten/followup-stand-ground-defense-doylegonzalez-shooting-july-20/ fyi ,people are curious
Still sad. Someone needlessly lost their life over complete stupidity. Good he was carrying but was it good that he took a life and I'm sure cost him a fortune? Rather could he of continued to avoid the encounter by driving to an area where there is a police presence.
Its called letting the ak barrel and sight end of the ak stick out the window in an upward position🤣
Just drive to McD's and buy everyone a Happy Meal, we're good...
To many rules for CCW carrying people . Not many rules for criminal or todays bad cops shooting people for broken taillights .
This happened to me. A car followed me in the dark, very close and flashing his lights. Tried to run me off the road. I didn't want to let him follow me all the way home. Instead I led him down a narrow country lane all the way to a dead end. He was so busy road raging he didn't realize what was happening. I switched off the car and lights, got out, and walked towards him. I've never seen a car reverse so fast in my life. In short, if someone is trying to use their car to intimidate you then they're a gutless coward. Call them out.
man that is crazy. a similar thing happened to me at night a guy was tailgating me so bad i stopped at a local gas station to deter him and he did not follow me there i was prepared tho i had my G19 ready if it came to that.people are nuts these days.
Not trolling you but were you carrying?
@@KingMusa99 most likely. it’d be stupid if him to approach someone that’s been following him unarmed.
STAY IN VEHICLE ! You WILL die DOING that 1 Day! So MANY WAYS , you could be MURDERED or HARMED !
CALL THEM OUT ? Then be SHOT !
I just recently started to conceal carry because I was finally able to afford a handgun this year. And when i was at the park some random lady came up to me and saw a glimpse of my handgun asked me why I was carring a gun and that i make the park a dangerous place. Told her that she should educate herself and that infact me being here makes it a safer place. I was at both El Paso walmart shooting and the Odessa/Midland shooting I saw how everyone panicked and how if there was one person carrying they could have stopped the senseless killing. I swore that i would never be so usless in a situation like that again. I train almost everyday
I would recommend taking pictures of the scene before calling police to ensure that there was a knife or weapon within the distance that you have proof of. Spend a couple of minutes sending those pictures to lawyer or family where they can find them. They may come in handy in court where all of a sudden vital evidence is lacking from the police.
Good Advise,.Andrew.. ...Lawful.Citizens are Guilty until proven Innocent. I'm Calling My Attorney before Cops..An I'm not making a statement till my Attorney is Present at Interview....
@@briangoldy8784 it's kinda funny in a messed up way because the perp may be bleeding out but your spending time protecting yourself instead of calling for help
@@andrewbetances1203 lol.......IKR.....
@@andrewbetances1203 The Justice System is set up to Make criminals out of Productive, Law Abiding, Taxpayers. Never give DA's, Detectives or Judges explanations for Your Actions. Without Attorneys. Notify your Attorney, BEFORE Police....Good Luck. God Bless, bro.
Also look in your rear view mirror and see if you can see his body language while following you. Is he tailgating you aggressively? Is he yelling or throwing his hands up? Etc etc
Good advice. This is a time when having a superior vehicle is helpful, one of those times when I'd rather have my old ex-cop Crown Vic with push bars instead of my little Corolla. If I'm on my motorcycle, I'm going somewhere that his car will not fit. If I am in my car and my attacker is not, that car is my number one impact weapon.
If Kyle is found guilty.... is the precedent now set that we can't defend ourselves anymore? Legally I mean?
I would be concerned about hearing protection. Firing any gun inside a car, window rolled down, would cause hearing injury, especially for any kids in the car. I would keep driving, preferably to a Police car or station. Any busy public parking lot at a grocery store would provide a lot of witnesses as well as store security.
Timothy, we recommend in this situation to escape any way possible. You should only be using deadly force if you are in fear of great bodily harm or death and you have no way of escaping the situation. If it absolutely came down to it and you need to use your firearm, your life would be worth more then your hearing.
Rather have ringing ears for a few hours than being dead
Avoidance is key, avoidance is key, avoidance is key! Just yesterday, I was followed home from work by someone. I noticed that the car was doing everything they could to keep up with me and I have a bad habit of not using my turn signal on several of the turns I make. Whenever I would take an exit, without warning them with my turn signal, they quickly veered to follow. It was weird. After they did this three times, I realized that they were following me so I purposefully made it look like I was going to turn left at a light, then at the last moment I went right. They changed lanes to follow me and must have realized I was on to them because they stopped at the light and stayed there even though there were no cars. I lost sight of them, but I went ahead and drove around for a bit to make sure I didn't lead them to my house. Not sure what it was about, but I will never lead anyone home if I can avoid it.
AAA…ALERT, AWARE, AVOID.
I shouldn't have to try to avoid confrontation that hard, if someone follows me home, their life is now forfeit
Shooting should always be last recourse, do what ever you can to defuse it... even if only to avoid lengthy legal proceedings. Even with something like USCCA coverage, I really don't want to deal with it if I can avoid it.
Nope, sorry. Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it. Assume nothing unless you're in actual danger, not inconvenienced or suspicious. Stay alive and out of jail for your family's sake.
This is why i avoid every situation at all cost. People are so angry these days. And so quick to be head strong about first sign of drama. And i refuse to have to go to court and jail over a stupid idiot who think its okay to approach my car.
"Don't shoot! I just wanted to tell you that your wife left her purse on the roof of the car!"
BTW if you're being followed, don't pull into MY driveway to turn around. I've got enough problems without you bringing psychos to my house.
Is trying to run you off the road ( LITERALLY) or trying to run into you considered intent to cause bodily harm?
I honestly don't know and that's why I ask.
Cover your eyes when the bed guy is breaking your windows in, really?
Yup, so you are able to see and shoot that guy in the next second before he do another move. I bet it's harder to do with glass in your eyes
Do not even drive by the street you live in while someone is following you. Because if the car your driving while they follow you is in the driveway then they can very easily figure out where you live. It doesn't take much for them to then stake out that place and see you goto that car and then 1 now they know where you live and 2 they have many more advantages.
What if they block you in and get out of their car with a firearm?
Shoot!!
If they jump out with a gun, I'm not waiting.
Drive to the nearest police station. UPDATE: And there it is, right at the end of the video. "Drive to the police station". If you don't live near a police station just try to find a patrol car and flag the officer down.
Have a steady hand and eyes on target , if target gives reason destroy target
As always, the Bad trouble maker guys always looks better in the eyes of the law. its no wonder this country has more bad people than good, honest people.
Many years ago (before cell phones were common) I had a young man get pissed at me in traffic and start following me. I did the last thing he expected: I stopped. The young gentleman (18-22, 6'2"ish) did his best move he had seen in some old cop show and pulled his car at a 45 degree angle in front of mine and bailed out to approach me. As he did, he yelled 'I'm gonna kick your ass.' At that point I simply rolled down the window of my Explorer and displayed (thumb and forefinger holding between the backstrap and the front of the trigger guard) a stainless steel .45 and said 'No your not, son, get back in your car.' The macho, would-be ass-kicker, at that point literally squealed like a little girl 'I'm gonna call the cops' as he ran back for his car and took off. End of story. Things I did wrong: 1. Did not get his license plate number (best as I recall) and 2. Did not immediately (or ever) call the cops and start a report. Nothing ever came of it.
Wrong turn, if you know you live in a dead end street Don’t go into your street! Keep driving! Have your weapon ready and try to evade.