I have enjoyed watching these videos, however as a member of USCCA I am concerned about the lack of training your employees demonstrate, they seem to have all failed terribly, is this intentional for the video purpose or is this reality?
They don't have any training going on here in Florida that I have seen anyway. It's way too expensive to get training from a certified instructor anyway.
I think it should be part of ccl yes you can shoot rounds hit a target 15 7 3 yards but that doesnt mean you are capable of drawing and making split decision to possibly take someone life or have yours taken
It's unfortunate we live in a society that elevates criminals and targets and penalizes people who want to help. My unwillingness to draw in most cases unless my LIFE is in danger is because I have zero faith in our justice system anymore. It's crooked and not there to defend the good guys anymore.
I get the choices he made I get the point USCCA trying to bring across... if their members leave the situation they don't have to pay the lawyers millions to defend their members. But here is the thing... we are slowly but surely training/brainwashing the society to be passive, to be self-centered. It's all about me and mine, I don't care about you or yours because I may get hurt or worse I may get sued or persecuted. The issue with that mentality is the concept called altruism, helping others at the risk of harm coming to you. I believe that Altruism is what allowed our society to advance through history. I think we need CCW members trained and be comfortable with the tools they possess. As I'm writing this I think this trainee made the right choice, he was not comfortable in his shoes, he did not have enough training to carry out a good rescue, he did not have the right mindset to protect those around him... he had no business drawing his gun because he probably would've hurt himself or victims in this scenario. We all carry for different reasons but I believe that we need more altruistic people to carry exactly for these scenarios because when my daughter, wife, or I am at the tip of that knife, hope that there are fellow citizens around me who will stand with me to fight off my attacker rather than run and leave me to fate. I strongly believe in the eternal saying of all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men/women to do nothing. I hope and pray that our laws and mindsets will evolve as time goes on to reflect our values of good citizens standing up against the evil in the world.
I got your six if we are ever in this scenario together. I hold the same belief you do. Not to judge a book by its cover, but I felt this outcome from the onset from the way this guy carried himself, what he spoke about, and as he walked in on the dispute at the register gave it away, even before the real threat came in.
Well said. I'm retired LEO, and one of the statements that crept into that field during my time that caused more argument from me than anything was, "The most important part of your shift is going home," WRONG! I did not sign up and take an oath to get home safely. By God's design I made it, but there were many times I took on deadly risks for others. As a civilian now, my firearm is not just to defend my own life, but to also defend any other innocent person's life as well.
@@nokoolaid yes "tries to represent reality" which means it's not reality, and he knew it wasn't real but still felt the need to run away like a coward. If it was real I would not judge him because no one knows how they would actually react in that situation, but every one knew it was fake but he still panicked and ran
@@noncompliant209cali Sometimes leaving is a better option. Discretion is the better part of valor. Some idiots don't get that and some have hero complexes, like Zimmerman or Rittenhouse.
@@nokoolaid again this was fake. Like I said if it was real it would be different. And those were the worst possible examples you could give. Should they have just let some pos kill them?
I am a little indifferent on this one. Although I am never out to become a hero, my conscience would still be a huge factor. If I were to choose to exit for my own safety, and the woman was killed, it would be a guilt I'd feel for the rest of my life, knowing I could have possibly saved her life, but chose not too. My wife and little girl experienced a similar situation in a grocery store parking lot a few years back. Multiple people were in a position to help them, but chose to either record with phones, or simply watch. The man was clearly over powering for my wife, and my daughter at the time was only 3 years old. He was attempting to abduct the two of them, and flee with my car. Luckily a brave woman had seen the situation, pulled up with her vehicle, and began making a loud scene, screaming at the man, and laying on her horn. She was the very reason my wife and baby girl were saved that day, and I am forever grateful. I will never search to become someone's hero. But I will always believe in helping others. Especially when a life is on the line, their will always be a parent, partner, or child affected by the outcome. I think fear plays a huge factor in our actions, which creates a selfishness towards looking only after ourselves. Those decisions we make then, they may find the same scenario within a situation our loved ones are experiencing. Karma can either be rewarding, or dreadful. My wife and little girl that day - a few years back, I was rewarded. If a life is on the verge of being lost, I would never hesitate to return the gift to another family. Things always come back full circle.
That woman saved your family without using deadly force. I wonder if I could do as she did, for it was also risky. I don't carry... at least at this point.
@@KutWrite yes she indeed did. I hope to one day meet her in person, to reward her with a huge THANK YOU. She was the positive difference in helping my life continue with the two biggest blessings I have today.
I don't have the heart to leave a chick at knife point like that. I know it's better to leave (for me), but like another comment said below about our world becoming too self centered, I don't think I could unless I was in immediate danger. My logic is that I may be the only one there with a gun so if he gets on top of her or anyone else I could potentially stop the killing. Isn't that the point of carrying? To protect life? I understand the liability issues and everything, I just don't think I could deliberately turn away from this situation.
I agree. You might survive, but you also have to look yourself in the mirror every day for the rest of your life. And if someone got hurt or killed because you ran when you had the means to stop it, that’s gonna be a very hard look every morning.
" our world becoming too self centered, I don't think I could unless I was in immediate danger. " ... thats cynical...how about you try not to be the hero of the day? You can't leave a chick like that? BS...you wanne be the hero, it's not about her, it's all about you...This guy may be so desperate, or acting like this cauze he's going mental on some solvable issues with the woman...There is nothing you can do to help, unless you think killing him is helping.Of course he doesnt have to hold her with knive, but you will help in any way ...sorry wanne be hero
One issue stands out ..role player ( test subject ) is much too friendly..=) Yes, its a nyc thing...but there is a reason we try not to get drawn into other folks drama.. it also blinds you to everyone else.. in nyc I might be in CQB distance of 50 to 100 possible threats...you can not track them all and you can not allow yourself to get sucked in by a decoy..that said..it has happened to me once or twice .. Luckily it was not a decoy and nothing happened.. You can not afford to be approachable under those circumstances.. He allowed himself to be drawn in to a potential conflict, which left him blind to the real threat. But leaving was smart...should have left much sooner If I see a disturbance..I draw back and observe often behind cover or concealment..then I assess..if the risk increases I get out and find a vantage point to call police without being observed .. I also do not think he did a full scan and assess of all the people in the shop before starting to conduct his business.. This habit is also hard to learn, but very worthwhile.. Your goal is to identify anyone or anything that looks out of place ...its possible that mr' bath salts ' blended in perfectly..but...maybe not... Scan and assess..esp after the disturbance which could be a deliberate attempt to distract .. Thankfully I no longer live in. NYC, but the lessons learned there are still worthwhile..
If you've never been in a life and death situation you don't - can't understand. I was involved with saving two people in my life in Chicago years ago and I can tell you exactly what I was thinking when it went down. I was thinking If I didn't do something right that second I was going to watch someone die a terrible death that day. Instantly a switch flipped in my brain and I have never looked back. The voice which was mine literally said: "Not to day". Not 2 fu__ing day". I felt my temperature jump up and I went instinctive, and primordial. Years later that man's family thanked me again for the last time as he lived another 20 years and his family got to say goodbye the day he actually died 20 some odd years later. You don't watch someone die without it changing you, sometimes for good. That day didn't fundamentally change me and we both got to walk away.
The dude had a knife jerry had a clear shot and he ran. No question about having the need of a lawyer. He left period. With videos that come out they all pretty much have to generality of "it depends" "maybe" or consult your local attorney. No definitive answers just generalizations. He left and obviously better for him. I just don't see it the way jerry did. No disrespect on him just a difference of opinion.
And if this was a Domestic..? Willing to bet your future that the victim does not testify against you ' he was just upset...he would never hurt me '... How about collateral damage when she runs in front of him...?
@@marcgrundfest1495 ok so now we are adding to the scenario and changing the format. If it was your wife Or daughter I would have been thinking about a lot more than my own well being. Obviously we didn't watch the same video. Like I said I wasn't being disrespectful to jerry just offering an opinion.
@@USCCAOfficial He had a gun and he was the first one out of the store, when are people gonna realize the legal system is of no benefits to the good people, unless your a cop, guns ain't legal to use, just legal to carry
@@carbq5280 , if I get your point correctly, you have all the reason of the world. It is unfortunate, but as other commentator said, "I carry a gun for self-defense, not for conflicts defense" (or something along those lines...). If the lady attacked was a relative of mine or any other person which circumstances were clear to me, the story could be different.
Tough call. So many unknowns. From my vantage point, the only two viable options looked like escape or VERY fast concealed draw and near-instant headshot with absolutely zero margin of error for the hidden draw or actual shot placement.
That's what it looks like. In the real world when adrenaline pumping, HUGE margin for a miss and if you accidentally shot the victim, you're up ship creek. Escape was wise albeit not as "heroic" as some may advocate.
Thank you for showing this type of reaction. Other choices; A) He could have a better holster, what if the threat was toward him. B) He could have observed from concealment for alternatives. All in all, Very glad he made it home to his family, Great job. A strangers life is not your responsibility.
I’ma!proud member of USCCA I know they have my back if things go south. Carry 365 days 7 days a week.I train almost daily. But , being disabled, I’m not as fast as I’d like to be. But with revolver or pistol,I’m a pretty good shot! Have a range in the backyard ( not as nice as Hickock 45) but I don’t have to drive to shoot! Need some better training, but have no one to instruct me. Am a good shot , just kinda slow. Thanks for the videos & for a GREAT magazine!🦅🇮🇪☘️💥🇸🇴
It's a hard decision whether to help a stranger or not. Recently I was delivering a food order to a house. I had a licensed concealed carry gun. When I rang the doorbell I could see through the screen door a teenager at the kitchen sink. When she heard the doorbell she said just a minute and went out the back door. Then there was screaming and dogs barking and the girl was trying to get back into the house but couldn't get her arm in. It looked like one of the dogs had her arm and was shaking it. I really thought hard about going into the house and helping her but I didn't know who else was in the house. A young boy was in the house trying to help but wasn't successful. Finally she got away and ran into the back of the house. A neighbor came over with a knife. I told him what I had seen and he said that it had happened several times before. The father drove up and he attended to his daughter and the police showed up. Someone had called them. As I was leaving I got a glimpse of the daughter's arm wrapped in a towel. There was a lot of blood. I felt really bad about not going in and helping the daughter but I just didn't have enough information at the time to know what I was getting into. The next day I had seen a message that the father wrote to the food preparer blaming the incident on me. That I had excited the dogs and caused the dogs to attack his daughter. At that moment I stopped feeling bad and knew I had made the right decision, although it was difficult to go through.
If you don't have the marksmanship to take make a shot. The get training get a aid like the mantis x and practice. I don't think that we should get involved in every circumstance but in this one it seemed very clear. We all have a fight or flight reaction. I know I'm a fighter and I'll stay in it.
I'm reading your mail Shane. We have to take into account the person involved, and it's easy to arm chair quarterback another individual after the fact. Jerrod did what he thought was right on that day. That version may or may not change with time
Andrew I'm glad that I don't count on you for my protection. As far as being armchair quarterback. I'm on record with uscca stopped a mugging. A guy with a gun and the window of error was much smaller. But thank God a target not a fight. Jerry is the man you want in your situation.
The USCCA acknowledges the importance of training and encourages all of its members to seek out and obtain quality training from knowledgeable instructors, Shane.
Life has many choices and each decision has multiple outcomes. You can say, "This would be the thing to do." but not being there in the moment gives you a disadvantage in the reality of your choice in decisions. So, the next thing to be considered is your abilities, can you do a round house kick and disarm the bad guy without hurting the girl? Can you over power the guy and take the knife from the guy and neutralize him? All of this is questionable, okay, doubtful. A man has got to know his limitations,.... with reality, you have a gun, a responsibility but, by any reaction you take with a gun you will have to take action and responsibility of it. Are you willing to jump off that bridge into water you do not know how deep the water is?
Great video Kevin. These are so important for people to see realistic scenarios like this. By escaping like this student did, he was able to get police there faster. They would arrive with rifles to properly overcome resistance and make bystanders faster by firing more accurately and with less rounds. Furthermore then have body armor communications and a variety of less lethal options if that's what's called for.
well if this was your scenario you live, everyone else died. Good for you, the rest is not really your problem. There is a more recent play of this scenario with other person and he shot the guy with the knife 10 times and only hit once. The guy with the knife made the motion that he cut the girls neck and said something like "ok nice but she is dead" . Both scenarios ended in a positive note so Im as lost as you are here.
I believe he did what was best for him and his family. He was not a sworn officer and could have made things worse. Life is not black or white. There is an old English saying "it is an ill wind that blows no one good". The opposite is also very true. The outcome of a situation can be bad for lots of people, you are responsible for yourself. I, too, am a member of USCCA. Thank God I have not had to use your services, but your training videos and magazine as well as customer support are top notch. Keep the great work. Thanks.
Hard to say how this scenario would have played out for me. I would not have gotten involved with the guy at the counter at all unless it escalated. But I definitely might have been too distracted by that argument to notice the guy walk in with the knife.
I think that guy was there for exactly that purpose, a distraction. From being home watching UA-cam I saw the actual shooter walk in and I made him right away with the suspicious body language. Hard to say if that would still be the case in person, I imagine that it would be in the training scenario just knowing something was going to go down. In a real life scenario though, there's no way to know because life is full of distractions which is half the point of how this seems to be set up.
I don't think I would have ran away because he would not have been a threat to me with a knife unless he came closer and started to approach me. Therefore, I think I would have stayed and kept my distance and waited to take a shot. I don't see why the man felt threatened enough that he should run and not help. As far as he knew, he was the only person in that room with a gun and so he was the only one who could have taken a shot. The more I think about this, the more I feel he did not make the right decision. He basically was only thinking about himself in that situation which is fine if you don't care about other people. The mere fact that he offered to buy the book, I thought he cared enough to help the woman being attacked too. Of course he got home safely, but what about later when he watches the news and fines out that the woman was killed and two others were too. He will have to live with that the rest of his life too.
I have a creed that i would not hesitate to protect myself, my family or a helpless child with deadly force if needed. All others, take a CC course, get and train with a weapon and protect yourself and yours as you see fit.
OK...as a CA resident and CCW holder, I must abide by prevailing CA law. I would add, law that allows me to use lethal force to stop or prevent any illegal attack when there is an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury to myself or my family. However, CA has no duty to act laws. As demonstrated in the first two examples, should I follow, I would surely end up in jail. This was a GREAT scenario and I'm looking forward to the conversation that will ensue. THANK YOU! (I'd be curious to know when this scenario was filmed in relation to the others...)
@@Leonardokite I agree but it's where I work, live and where my family is. Sometimes you need to play the cards you're dealt and not wish you had others.
Unfortunately with society and the lawyers, you might have to run and let them protect themselves. If they're not carrying they're probably anti guns anyways.
I carry to defend myself, and my family. All law abiding citizens have the option to defend themselves, even felons have options in most states. Hate to be cruel, but be a witness.
Excellent drill folks. We never know until we're there. I'd like to think that I would have positioned myself safely in the room and deployed my firearm if the sociopath began to slash people. Calling 911 from inside of the room would likely redirect his attention toward me,but someone needed to do it. Leaving the room could have resulted in multiple injuries/ deaths. It all happens so fast. Geez,great exercise, thank you.
Walter..I had thought the same thing. From my knowledge 9-11 can track your call and if you are quietly calling from cover, you may be able to access while the call is being made. I also agree that I would have to be there to make a true assessment, but I would like to think I would stay in the room and see if things got worst. I would hate to think that the "Bath Salts" guy had attacked multiple people and I let it happen.
Great video thanks. I would have done the same thing. I'm not directly involved with the incident. I would have backed out as far as possible and call it in. Big difference would be if I was involved.
He had a clear shot. He ran to let fate take it's course. I have seen all of these vids and have decided what I would do. BUT I don't just carry a gun. I have other things to use if it's not safe and I'm disabled and in a lot of pain all of the time. I still would have tried to help the girl. The bad guy was younger, stronger, and bigger than me. And why did he have his hand up while he was backing away? What was that supposed to do.?
From your POV it may seem that way, Two Bears. However, from Jared's point of view, he never had a clear shot. What would you have done from start to finish if you were the one in this scenario?
I know that it sounds cowardly, but I'm no longer in law enforcement or security work and have no legal authority or duty to act. My firearm is there to help me get out of a lethal force encounter. My job is to "get outta Dodge" so to speak in one piece. The folks wearing the badges and blue suits would want me out of harm's way as they run to the danger rather than making like John Wayne and being part of the whole fiasco.
I’m prior service so I’m a protector. I would’ve got out of the line of sight to draw and tell other to call 911 while trying to defuse the situation. If not he’d get some hot shots. I couldn’t leave the situation in good conscience leaving others to fend for themselves.
Great scenario. Only a couple of people saw the guy enter, and everyone's attention was at the counter. I'm not sure I would have left the scene. That would probably have been a bad decision, but I don't think leaving would enter my brain. I would have loved to see the lady had taken a Close Contact defense class. It would be great to see USCCA do more Close Contact defense training on this channel. Thanks for all you do!!!
interesting - if you are in a boat - you are REQUIRED BY LAW to help someone you realize is in distress. however - when it comes to assisting someone in the street - there is no requirement to help - but you could still be sued / prosecuted for refusing to help someone you know is in eminent danger of death or serious injury ---- HOWEVER -- if you engage for the purpose of preventing death or serious physical injury you can be prosecuted for using lethal force to protect an innocent person.
They all could have gone home to their families if deadly force had been immediately deployed. Not a fun legal battle afterwards to be sure, but the dude came charging in with a weapon in front of a bunch of eye witnesses. This is why training is so vital.
I wouldve done the same thing. My mission is to leave and go home safely. Good that he left. If the gunman would have cornered the guy then yeah stop the threat.
Kevin, could you please share with us if he had pulled his weapon wanting to stop the situation so he wouldn't regret if multiple people lost their lives due to his retreat. How could we protect the helpless from loss of life in senerios like this. I'm considering carrying after many years, ex military training and want to protect myself and loved ones in today's world. I'm impressed with your instruction and Colion Noir, and could use all the training and knowledge that you're willing to share with me. Thank you all for your videos. I'm learning alot of things I didn't consider while carrying a gun for protection that I will consider now. Please don't ever stop the education of all of use who could benefit from your knowledge and experience.
He did what he thought he could in that situation. It would be a hard life lived, for me, knowing I let a bunch of people die, when I could have possibly helped. With that said, he did awesome when trying to help with the first guy, wanting to return the book, and with that, I would have not tried to help so fast, which would be a negative on my part. After noticing the firearm though, I would have tried to calm things down, to try and make sure nobody carrying weapons made life changing decisions. AWESOME VIDEO!!!
Be prepared to go to jail or lose your home should you elect to get involved. There are scenarios which make this less likely but they also are less likely.
having aCCW does not always call for the John Wayne syndrome... Just because I have a fire arm doesn't mean I have to use it.. I may have doen the exact same thing Jarred did. It may sound selfish but, ME first...I'm gonna go home to my loved ones...
I don't think it's selfish to make sure you get home to your loved ones. Part of my vows to my wife when we got married is that I would always protect her, and I can't very well do that if I'm dead or in prison. It's not selfish to try to get home, it's prioritizing your family over strangers when you have no responsibility to act.
He should be considered to have failed this it wasn't a good thing to not maintain awareness of your surroundings and because of that he didn't maintain control of his firearm in fact. No awareness no control. He wasn't ready for a scenario he should still be running concealed weapon drawing drills along with practicing situational awareness exercises. Before he ever hit a scenario. He should have been drilled to a point where situational awareness is second nature then we can start with the fire arms drills then handling(high stress aka runs until he can barely stand and then practicing drawing firing and reloading) and then and only then should he have been run through a scenario. I'm not expert but even I know and could see that dude was not ready psychologically, physically, or emotionally. He was far too weak.
But I don't think the question was answered. The question it answered was "In what ways can I help someone being threatened?" or even "Should I help..." I was expecting an answer to the legal "can" not the moral "can".
Just wondering, but did Jerry ever recognize the type of weapon the assailant had? If so would he have acted differently? 1. If Jerry detected the type of weapon first he may have stayed in the fight by upholstering his weapon. Which may have prevented more casualties. 2. Jerry, could’ve aggressively stepped toward the assailant while simultaneously upholstering his weapon. This possibility may have change the assailants outlook, loss the grip on the victim or may let her go because of the aggressiveness by Jerry. Either way Jerry is correct! Good job..
Two Bears Bushcraft I wasn’t referring to the victim to do something, I was talking about Jerry . He could’ve been more aggressive, if he would spent a fraction of more time to identify and interpreting the type of weapon the assailant had.
It is easy to armchair quarterback such a scenario, Jason. How would you be handling such a scenario from start to finish? Also, Jared does address that question at the end of his scenario while talking to the panel.
USCCA first off I’m not “arm chairing” anything! Jerod reacted positively! Made a quick decision to save some people instead of confronting the assailant and possibly make the situation worse. We all will react either in a “ fight or flight” manner. Jerod chose flight! However, if we learn/review past knifing instances. Usually assailant’s aggressively stab their victims multiple times before victims know what happened! Which virtually makes it impossible to identify the assailant unless you witnessing first hand. This training video has the assailant threatening to stab his victim. The first person from USCC reacted with his firearm to assist and Jerod chose another approach. Both approaches are admirable and a win win for both parties.
You may have the right in the secular sense to walk away and ignore someone else being threatened, but Christians have a literal obligation to protect the innocent
The first situation talking worked the second would not . I know I could not leave her . I would have to do some smart thinking . I know I could not leave her .
I would like to get this training in Florida. All the range is just shooting paper. I just can't afford 500 and up to be trained. So I just use my dirt pile. tnxs
He has no assumption to be a Good Samaritan. Sometimes being one gets you in a worse situation or even killed. I saw a video in my LTC class where the Good Samaritan was killed. I’m backing my way as well.
No one deserves a deadly weapon (knife) to their neck. I would stand behind cover and hope for situation to calm, if not I would take option to help the precious woman. . … had it been someone you “knew” would you run away and hope for the best…. Just two seconds ago, the runner was about to buy a complete stranger a dvd collection…. STRANGE WORLD!…. You should rather hope for the best for the counter yeller
hmm seems like the defense of a 3rd party might be valid in this case. Dicey to aim a weapon and escalate, but if he slashes her with the intent to kill (before you unholster), then things change.
Tough decision, but I think he made the right one. We are not the police, and don't have the law on our side to defend the public. Calling 911 outside would have been right, but I'd still feel an obligation, if the police didn't come and the guy dragged the woman out to a car. I'd stick around and from a distance if he tried to get her in a car, I'd have pulled my gun and threatened him to stop and release her. If he didn't I would have fired at one of his car tires, to stop taking a kidnap victim, still waiting for police to arrive. All the while keeping my distance and perhaps hear some defensive cover, like another cars(tire and engine)r, if he had a gun, and pulled it out. I would not have shot at him at all. The police should have arrived at this point.
Dude rampaged and killed two people. How do you feel about that? - I feel they should have been responsible citizens and been carrying their own firearms.
I think it's funny, this kind of suppressing good citizens. Remember that Afghanistan evacuation recently? That behavior sends a message. We need to demonstrate "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". If you were to replace those "strangers" with your own family members, would you still do the same, run away and abandon? What makes it different between a stranger's life, a friend's life, and your family member, if you were to have a different response? The moral of the story is stand up to these tantrum bullies the best you can. I understand that you shouldn't go looking for a fight, but at the same time, you as a Good Samaritan, need to hold people like this accountable. In this case, the guy equipped a deadly weapon (knife) and could have easily killed the 1st victim. Then another, and another. Does someone have to die before it's "justified" or do you use common sense and say "hey this guy is waving a knife around, not listening to anyone's input, he might stab this lady, and potentially others.
Im going to be the one to ask this but... They need to be able to protect and save themselves,we have God given inalienable rights that allow us to do that. I will not help someone that cannot help themselfs. It probably sounds horrible but understand it like this, I don't give anything to homeless people when I can I give it to those working but need that extra help.
Let’s see, wouldn’t USCCA make more money annually in member premiums if all their customers ran away like is being taught in this video? So, no (or substantially less) self defense claims will be filed per year and less $$ will be paid out by USCCA? I think there’s a conflict of interests in this video.
I carry to protect myself and my family. I completely agree with the guy in this scenario. if the bad guy would have started killing people my opinion would changed. But I'm not getting involved over someone taking a hostage. I would have became a good witness and called 911
Very realistic using a blindfold like you were just kidnapped in Afghanistan. 😆 And then to run away and leave all those defenseless people to fend for themselves is quite cowardly in my book!
Opinions are like noses ,everybody has one .it is easy to comment on a video but in a real life threatening situation without intense training,most people don't know what they would do. You can't save everyone as much as you would like to.i feel that he made the right decision. Unless it is someone close to you, you must get yourself out of danger as fast as you can if possible. Just my personal opinion. I can't speak for anybody else.
John 15:5 yeah, that’s a bunch of crap. Nobody will deny training is key, but nobody knows how they will react until the 💩 hits the fan. Training is great, but it doesn’t matter how realistic you try to make it, your mind always knows there is zero risk and a reset button available. You see this in the military, half the time it’s the guys who y’all like Rambo at the bar who are reaching for the tissues the first time the bullets fly.
A couple of things , one America has become a nation of cowards and shirkers. The other is people think caliber makes up for lack of skill. He carried a 45 acp. Well can you execute a failure drill , and or make a head shot in a hostage situation? Would he have just left if the hostage was his wife or one of his children? When I carry , many times I carry a 2 inch much 38 Colt, or a 9mm and a Walther TPH 22. If I didn’t think I could make a head shot with one of the larger pistols , I would use the accurate low recoil 22 for a quick cool head shot or medulla shots
Personally it would have been better if he did act, it would likely have resulted in fewer casualties than giving the perp free reign to stack bodies in the several minutes it would take for the cops to get there. Logically speaking it was the poor decision and resulted in more damage being done than if he'd taken action.
They should be training people to a higher degree I wouldn't call this self defense training but cowardice training. Let's train people to run away so they can't help others and take away the very argument for the second amendment that has saved it countless times.
@@Rollochrome It is hard to determine how you would handle this situation without ever going through a situation like this. Jared's decision to not get involved with this situation is completely reasonable. He chose not to risk his life in a situation he knew nothing about and ensure that he get back home safely to his family.
@@Rollochrome Everyone chooses to have a permit to carry and makes the choice to carry a weapon for a different reason. I am glad to hear that you would help your fellow man in a time of need, and that is very commendable of you! However, we teach at all levels of training that the best fight is the one you are not in. Here is a great article that outlines that: www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/use-of-deadly-force/
First you can't assume its a true POV shot. Second you need 1.5 - 2.2 seconds to draw and shoot. Third the target is not going to stay put while you do it . And finally, body shots from pistols are not instant death rays.. you need a CNS stop.
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I have enjoyed watching these videos, however as a member of USCCA I am concerned about the lack of training your employees demonstrate, they seem to have all failed terribly, is this intentional for the video purpose or is this reality?
I plan on it but don’t think I get the email to be notified yet
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Yes
I will try to make it. Really busy this time of year. I will try
I would love to see these scenario's offered in regular classes locally or even implemented with concealed carry classes.
They don't have any training going on here in Florida that I have seen anyway. It's way too expensive to get training from a certified instructor anyway.
I think it should be part of ccl yes you can shoot rounds hit a target 15 7 3 yards but that doesnt mean you are capable of drawing and making split decision to possibly take someone life or have yours taken
It's unfortunate we live in a society that elevates criminals and targets and penalizes people who want to help. My unwillingness to draw in most cases unless my LIFE is in danger is because I have zero faith in our justice system anymore. It's crooked and not there to defend the good guys anymore.
This is what criminals want us to be defenseless. We the people need to protect ourselves and others to fight against criminals and the corruption.
We don't have a justice system.
We have a legal system, a court system, and a for-profit prison system.
I get the choices he made I get the point USCCA trying to bring across... if their members leave the situation they don't have to pay the lawyers millions to defend their members. But here is the thing... we are slowly but surely training/brainwashing the society to be passive, to be self-centered. It's all about me and mine, I don't care about you or yours because I may get hurt or worse I may get sued or persecuted. The issue with that mentality is the concept called altruism, helping others at the risk of harm coming to you. I believe that Altruism is what allowed our society to advance through history. I think we need CCW members trained and be comfortable with the tools they possess. As I'm writing this I think this trainee made the right choice, he was not comfortable in his shoes, he did not have enough training to carry out a good rescue, he did not have the right mindset to protect those around him... he had no business drawing his gun because he probably would've hurt himself or victims in this scenario. We all carry for different reasons but I believe that we need more altruistic people to carry exactly for these scenarios because when my daughter, wife, or I am at the tip of that knife, hope that there are fellow citizens around me who will stand with me to fight off my attacker rather than run and leave me to fate. I strongly believe in the eternal saying of all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men/women to do nothing. I hope and pray that our laws and mindsets will evolve as time goes on to reflect our values of good citizens standing up against the evil in the world.
Very well said!!
I got your six if we are ever in this scenario together. I hold the same belief you do.
Not to judge a book by its cover, but I felt this outcome from the onset from the way this guy carried himself, what he spoke about, and as he walked in on the dispute at the register gave it away, even before the real threat came in.
You sir are very much correct. What’s the point in carrying if not to protect yourself, your loved ones an the people around you.
Well said. I'm retired LEO, and one of the statements that crept into that field during my time that caused more argument from me than anything was, "The most important part of your shift is going home," WRONG! I did not sign up and take an oath to get home safely. By God's design I made it, but there were many times I took on deadly risks for others.
As a civilian now, my firearm is not just to defend my own life, but to also defend any other innocent person's life as well.
But when the guy opened him self up why did he not pull and take the shot. Again someone is at risk of Death are serious injury.
Excellent, honest video. Lots of wanna be heroes out there, reality is often different.
But it wasn't reality
@@noncompliant209cali It tries to represent reality. I stand by my statement. Lots of idiots out there on both sides of the equation.
@@nokoolaid yes "tries to represent reality" which means it's not reality, and he knew it wasn't real but still felt the need to run away like a coward. If it was real I would not judge him because no one knows how they would actually react in that situation, but every one knew it was fake but he still panicked and ran
@@noncompliant209cali Sometimes leaving is a better option. Discretion is the better part of valor. Some idiots don't get that and some have hero complexes, like Zimmerman or Rittenhouse.
@@nokoolaid again this was fake. Like I said if it was real it would be different. And those were the worst possible examples you could give. Should they have just let some pos kill them?
I am a little indifferent on this one. Although I am never out to become a hero, my conscience would still be a huge factor. If I were to choose to exit for my own safety, and the woman was killed, it would be a guilt I'd feel for the rest of my life, knowing I could have possibly saved her life, but chose not too. My wife and little girl experienced a similar situation in a grocery store parking lot a few years back. Multiple people were in a position to help them, but chose to either record with phones, or simply watch. The man was clearly over powering for my wife, and my daughter at the time was only 3 years old. He was attempting to abduct the two of them, and flee with my car. Luckily a brave woman had seen the situation, pulled up with her vehicle, and began making a loud scene, screaming at the man, and laying on her horn. She was the very reason my wife and baby girl were saved that day, and I am forever grateful. I will never search to become someone's hero. But I will always believe in helping others. Especially when a life is on the line, their will always be a parent, partner, or child affected by the outcome. I think fear plays a huge factor in our actions, which creates a selfishness towards looking only after ourselves. Those decisions we make then, they may find the same scenario within a situation our loved ones are experiencing. Karma can either be rewarding, or dreadful. My wife and little girl that day - a few years back, I was rewarded. If a life is on the verge of being lost, I would never hesitate to return the gift to another family. Things always come back full circle.
That woman saved your family without using deadly force. I wonder if I could do as she did, for it was also risky. I don't carry... at least at this point.
@@KutWrite yes she indeed did. I hope to one day meet her in person, to reward her with a huge THANK YOU. She was the positive difference in helping my life continue with the two biggest blessings I have today.
I don't have the heart to leave a chick at knife point like that. I know it's better to leave (for me), but like another comment said below about our world becoming too self centered, I don't think I could unless I was in immediate danger. My logic is that I may be the only one there with a gun so if he gets on top of her or anyone else I could potentially stop the killing. Isn't that the point of carrying? To protect life?
I understand the liability issues and everything, I just don't think I could deliberately turn away from this situation.
I agree. You might survive, but you also have to look yourself in the mirror every day for the rest of your life. And if someone got hurt or killed because you ran when you had the means to stop it, that’s gonna be a very hard look every morning.
" our world becoming too self centered, I don't think I could unless I was in immediate danger. " ... thats cynical...how about you try not to be the hero of the day? You can't leave a chick like that? BS...you wanne be the hero, it's not about her, it's all about you...This guy may be so desperate, or acting like this cauze he's going mental on some solvable issues with the woman...There is nothing you can do to help, unless you think killing him is helping.Of course he doesnt have to hold her with knive, but you will help in any way ...sorry wanne be hero
@@yvandemol are you Uvalde PD?
One issue stands out ..role player ( test subject ) is much too friendly..=)
Yes, its a nyc thing...but there is a reason we try not to get drawn into other folks drama.. it also blinds you to everyone else.. in nyc I might be in CQB distance of 50 to 100 possible threats...you can not track them all and you can not allow yourself to get sucked in by a decoy..that said..it has happened to me once or twice ..
Luckily it was not a decoy and nothing happened..
You can not afford to be approachable under those circumstances..
He allowed himself to be drawn in to a potential conflict, which left him blind to the real threat.
But leaving was smart...should have left much sooner
If I see a disturbance..I draw back and observe often behind cover or concealment..then I assess..if the risk increases I get out and find a vantage point to call police without being observed ..
I also do not think he did a full scan and assess of all the people in the shop before starting to conduct his business..
This habit is also hard to learn, but very worthwhile..
Your goal is to identify anyone or anything that looks out of place ...its possible that mr' bath salts ' blended in perfectly..but...maybe not...
Scan and assess..esp after the disturbance which could be a deliberate attempt to distract ..
Thankfully I no longer live in. NYC, but the lessons learned there are still worthwhile..
As a new gun owner, I really appreciate your training/education videos.
I notice that it's not always about pulling your weapon. Sometimes it's just wise to try to leave the scene.👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
If you've never been in a life and death situation you don't - can't understand. I was involved with saving two people in my life in Chicago years ago and I can tell you exactly what I was thinking when it went down. I was thinking If I didn't do something right that second I was going to watch someone die a terrible death that day. Instantly a switch flipped in my brain and I have never looked back. The voice which was mine literally said: "Not to day". Not 2 fu__ing day". I felt my temperature jump up and I went instinctive, and primordial. Years later that man's family thanked me again for the last time as he lived another 20 years and his family got to say goodbye the day he actually died 20 some odd years later. You don't watch someone die without it changing you, sometimes for good. That day didn't fundamentally change me and we both got to walk away.
The dude had a knife jerry had a clear shot and he ran. No question about having the need of a lawyer. He left period. With videos that come out they all pretty much have to generality of "it depends" "maybe" or consult your local attorney. No definitive answers just generalizations. He left and obviously better for him. I just don't see it the way jerry did. No disrespect on him just a difference of opinion.
And if this was a Domestic..? Willing to bet your future that the victim does not testify against you ' he was just upset...he would never hurt me '...
How about collateral damage when she runs in front of him...?
@@marcgrundfest1495 ok so now we are adding to the scenario and changing the format. If it was your wife Or daughter I would have been thinking about a lot more than my own well being. Obviously we didn't watch the same video. Like I said I wasn't being disrespectful to jerry just offering an opinion.
Jared did not have a clear shot from his own POV, Ches.
@@USCCAOfficial He had a gun and he was the first one out of the store, when are people gonna realize the legal system is of no benefits to the good people, unless your a cop, guns ain't legal to use, just legal to carry
@@carbq5280 , if I get your point correctly, you have all the reason of the world. It is unfortunate, but as other commentator said, "I carry a gun for self-defense, not for conflicts defense" (or something along those lines...). If the lady attacked was a relative of mine or any other person which circumstances were clear to me, the story could be different.
Tough call. So many unknowns.
From my vantage point, the only two viable options looked like escape or VERY fast concealed draw and near-instant headshot with absolutely zero margin of error for the hidden draw or actual shot placement.
That's what it looks like. In the real world when adrenaline pumping, HUGE margin for a miss and if you accidentally shot the victim, you're up ship creek. Escape was wise albeit not as "heroic" as some may advocate.
I tell my family... if it goes down, back away and head for an exit.
Jerry did a GREAT job!
Uvalde police department would hire this guy in a heartbeat.
They recruited him after they saw this
Well put!
Thank you for showing this type of reaction. Other choices; A) He could have a better holster, what if the threat was toward him. B) He could have observed from concealment for alternatives. All in all, Very glad he made it home to his family, Great job. A strangers life is not your responsibility.
Those are certainly things to take into consideration, Bill.
I’ma!proud member of USCCA I know they have my back if things go south. Carry 365 days 7 days a week.I train almost daily. But , being disabled, I’m not as fast as I’d like to be. But with revolver or pistol,I’m a pretty good shot! Have a range in the backyard ( not as nice as Hickock 45) but I don’t have to drive to shoot! Need some better training, but have no one to instruct me. Am a good shot , just kinda slow. Thanks for the videos & for a GREAT magazine!🦅🇮🇪☘️💥🇸🇴
Thank you for being a part of the USCCA family, Mr. Davey!
It's a hard decision whether to help a stranger or not. Recently I was delivering a food order to a house. I had a licensed concealed carry gun. When I rang the doorbell I could see through the screen door a teenager at the kitchen sink. When she heard the doorbell she said just a minute and went out the back door. Then there was screaming and dogs barking and the girl was trying to get back into the house but couldn't get her arm in. It looked like one of the dogs had her arm and was shaking it. I really thought hard about going into the house and helping her but I didn't know who else was in the house. A young boy was in the house trying to help but wasn't successful. Finally she got away and ran into the back of the house. A neighbor came over with a knife. I told him what I had seen and he said that it had happened several times before. The father drove up and he attended to his daughter and the police showed up. Someone had called them. As I was leaving I got a glimpse of the daughter's arm wrapped in a towel. There was a lot of blood. I felt really bad about not going in and helping the daughter but I just didn't have enough information at the time to know what I was getting into. The next day I had seen a message that the father wrote to the food preparer blaming the incident on me. That I had excited the dogs and caused the dogs to attack his daughter. At that moment I stopped feeling bad and knew I had made the right decision, although it was difficult to go through.
Damn, that's some good insight though.
I don't know if I could live with myself if people lost their lives and I could have done something to prevent it
I can certainly understand that! How would you be approaching this scenario from start to finish?
That was good, a different look and different reaction. Thanks
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If you don't have the marksmanship to take make a shot. The get training get a aid like the mantis x and practice. I don't think that we should get involved in every circumstance but in this one it seemed very clear. We all have a fight or flight reaction. I know I'm a fighter and I'll stay in it.
I'm reading your mail Shane. We have to take into account the person involved, and it's easy to arm chair quarterback another individual after the fact. Jerrod did what he thought was right on that day. That version may or may not change with time
Andrew I'm glad that I don't count on you for my protection. As far as being armchair quarterback. I'm on record with uscca stopped a mugging. A guy with a gun and the window of error was much smaller. But thank God a target not a fight. Jerry is the man you want in your situation.
The USCCA acknowledges the importance of training and encourages all of its members to seek out and obtain quality training from knowledgeable instructors, Shane.
Life has many choices and each decision has multiple outcomes. You can say, "This would be the thing to do." but not being there in the moment gives you a disadvantage in the reality of your choice in decisions. So, the next thing to be considered is your abilities, can you do a round house kick and disarm the bad guy without hurting the girl? Can you over power the guy and take the knife from the guy and neutralize him? All of this is questionable, okay, doubtful. A man has got to know his limitations,.... with reality, you have a gun, a responsibility but, by any reaction you take with a gun you will have to take action and responsibility of it. Are you willing to jump off that bridge into water you do not know how deep the water is?
Very well said, Todd.
You sir are an idiot. Why would I try to overpower a guy with a knife when I can shoot him?
If people are out there running around attacking people with knives they need to be dead, end of story
I would like to have heard more about other options.
Great video Kevin. These are so important for people to see realistic scenarios like this. By escaping like this student did, he was able to get police there faster. They would arrive with rifles to properly overcome resistance and make bystanders faster by firing more accurately and with less rounds. Furthermore then have body armor communications and a variety of less lethal options if that's what's called for.
Think before You act . always .
I was looking for a USCCA pro and con analysis at the end, but got none.
well if this was your scenario you live, everyone else died. Good for you, the rest is not really your problem. There is a more recent play of this scenario with other person and he shot the guy with the knife 10 times and only hit once. The guy with the knife made the motion that he cut the girls neck and said something like "ok nice but she is dead" . Both scenarios ended in a positive note so Im as lost as you are here.
@@Kazperian Everyone dies?
That absurd.
@@millennial_weeb2382 yes, watch at 7:30
Good Training USCCA!
Thank you, Leroy!
I believe he did what was best for him and his family. He was not a sworn officer and could have made things worse.
Life is not black or white. There is an old English saying "it is an ill wind that blows no one good". The opposite is also very true. The outcome of a situation can be bad for lots of people, you are responsible for yourself.
I, too, am a member of USCCA. Thank God I have not had to use your services, but your training videos and magazine as well as customer support are top notch. Keep the great work. Thanks.
Thank you for being a part of the USCCA family, Dennis!
Uhh, yeah... That'd be GREAT! 😊 LOL. Just like Lumbergh from Office Space. I love if!
Hard to say how this scenario would have played out for me. I would not have gotten involved with the guy at the counter at all unless it escalated. But I definitely might have been too distracted by that argument to notice the guy walk in with the knife.
I think that guy was there for exactly that purpose, a distraction. From being home watching UA-cam I saw the actual shooter walk in and I made him right away with the suspicious body language. Hard to say if that would still be the case in person, I imagine that it would be in the training scenario just knowing something was going to go down. In a real life scenario though, there's no way to know because life is full of distractions which is half the point of how this seems to be set up.
I really appreciate this scenario training great job Kevin and Beth.
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I don't think I would have ran away because he would not have been a threat to me with a knife unless he came closer and started to approach me. Therefore, I think I would have stayed and kept my distance and waited to take a shot. I don't see why the man felt threatened enough that he should run and not help. As far as he knew, he was the only person in that room with a gun and so he was the only one who could have taken a shot. The more I think about this, the more I feel he did not make the right decision. He basically was only thinking about himself in that situation which is fine if you don't care about other people. The mere fact that he offered to buy the book, I thought he cared enough to help the woman being attacked too. Of course he got home safely, but what about later when he watches the news and fines out that the woman was killed and two others were too. He will have to live with that the rest of his life too.
I have a creed that i would not hesitate to protect myself, my family or a helpless child with deadly force if needed. All others, take a CC course, get and train with a weapon and protect yourself and yours as you see fit.
OK...as a CA resident and CCW holder, I must abide by prevailing CA law. I would add, law that allows me to use lethal force to stop or prevent any illegal attack when there is an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury to myself or my family. However, CA has no duty to act laws. As demonstrated in the first two examples, should I follow, I would surely end up in jail. This was a GREAT scenario and I'm looking forward to the conversation that will ensue. THANK YOU! (I'd be curious to know when this scenario was filmed in relation to the others...)
That is indeed a very sad commentary on the state of personal rights in California.
@@Leonardokite I agree but it's where I work, live and where my family is. Sometimes you need to play the cards you're dealt and not wish you had others.
@@scottwallace7617 That's a great attitude Scott. It makes life so much better.
Unfortunately with society and the lawyers, you might have to run and let them protect themselves. If they're not carrying they're probably anti guns anyways.
I carry to defend myself, and my family. All law abiding citizens have the option to defend themselves, even felons have options in most states. Hate to be cruel, but be a witness.
Yeah your right, screw them let them get killed as long as I’m alive and can continue to enjoy my wonderful life !
Damn, Patton Oswald's cousin got the hell out of there.
Great real world scenario here. Glad to see the outcome too. Very realistic.
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Excellent drill folks. We never know until we're there. I'd like to think that I would have positioned myself safely in the room and deployed my firearm if the sociopath began to slash people. Calling 911 from inside of the room would likely redirect his attention toward me,but someone needed to do it. Leaving the room could have resulted in multiple injuries/ deaths. It all happens so fast. Geez,great exercise, thank you.
Walter..I had thought the same thing. From my knowledge 9-11 can track your call and if you are quietly calling from cover, you may be able to access while the call is being made. I also agree that I would have to be there to make a true assessment, but I would like to think I would stay in the room and see if things got worst. I would hate to think that the "Bath Salts" guy had attacked multiple people and I let it happen.
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Yes. You can call 911 and just leave the phone on without speaking into it. Thay may hear what's going on, but will answer the call regardless.
This is really helpful and vivid.
Great video thanks. I would have done the same thing. I'm not directly involved with the incident. I would have backed out as far as possible and call it in. Big difference would be if I was involved.
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Draw your weapon, charge his post, fire. PERIOD.
He had a clear shot. He ran to let fate take it's course. I have seen all of these vids and have decided what I would do. BUT I don't just carry a gun. I have other things to use if it's not safe and I'm disabled and in a lot of pain all of the time. I still would have tried to help the girl. The bad guy was younger, stronger, and bigger than me. And why did he have his hand up while he was backing away? What was that supposed to do.?
From your POV it may seem that way, Two Bears. However, from Jared's point of view, he never had a clear shot. What would you have done from start to finish if you were the one in this scenario?
@@USCCAOfficial gotten close enough to make a few shots count. I don't have any problem with what he did. That's a personal decision he had to make.
I am amazed that the USCCA actually posted this and seemed to affirm the result. "I carry a S&W MP shield 45" why?
I know that it sounds cowardly, but I'm no longer in law enforcement or security work and have no legal authority or duty to act. My firearm is there to help me get out of a lethal force encounter. My job is to "get outta Dodge" so to speak in one piece. The folks wearing the badges and blue suits would want me out of harm's way as they run to the danger rather than making like John Wayne and being part of the whole fiasco.
You make a very fair point, Wendell!
I’m prior service so I’m a protector. I would’ve got out of the line of sight to draw and tell other to call 911 while trying to defuse the situation. If not he’d get some hot shots. I couldn’t leave the situation in good conscience leaving others to fend for themselves.
😂😂😂😂😂 Jared got the hell out of there he didnt save anyone but himself..
That is what cowards do
Would love to do this.
Great scenario. Only a couple of people saw the guy enter, and everyone's attention was at the counter. I'm not sure I would have left the scene. That would probably have been a bad decision, but I don't think leaving would enter my brain.
I would have loved to see the lady had taken a Close Contact defense class. It would be great to see USCCA do more Close Contact defense training on this channel. Thanks for all you do!!!
He should said: I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.
With today's lame attitude of law enforcement, I do not consider drawing my firearm unless my life is directly in danger!
interesting - if you are in a boat - you are REQUIRED BY LAW to help someone you realize is in distress.
however - when it comes to assisting someone in the street - there is no requirement to help - but you could still be sued / prosecuted for refusing to help someone you know is in eminent danger of death or serious injury ----
HOWEVER --
if you engage for the purpose of preventing death or serious physical injury you can be prosecuted for using lethal force to protect an innocent person.
The guy brought a knive to a gun fight,,,,lol
With Jarrod's level of experience, training and personality, he did just the right thing for himself and his family.
His objective was to survive and he did just that, Andrew.
They all could have gone home to their families if deadly force had been immediately deployed. Not a fun legal battle afterwards to be sure, but the dude came charging in with a weapon in front of a bunch of eye witnesses. This is why training is so vital.
I wouldve done the same thing. My mission is to leave and go home safely. Good that he left. If the gunman would have cornered the guy then yeah stop the threat.
Kevin, could you please share with us if he had pulled his weapon wanting to stop the situation so he wouldn't regret if multiple people lost their lives due to his retreat. How could we protect the helpless from loss of life in senerios like this. I'm considering carrying after many years, ex military training and want to protect myself and loved ones in today's world. I'm impressed with your instruction and Colion Noir, and could use all the training and knowledge that you're willing to share with me. Thank you all for your videos. I'm learning alot of things I didn't consider while carrying a gun for protection that I will consider now. Please don't ever stop the education of all of use who could benefit from your knowledge and experience.
He did what he thought he could in that situation. It would be a hard life lived, for me, knowing I let a bunch of people die, when I could have possibly helped. With that said, he did awesome when trying to help with the first guy, wanting to return the book, and with that, I would have not tried to help so fast, which would be a negative on my part. After noticing the firearm though, I would have tried to calm things down, to try and make sure nobody carrying weapons made life changing decisions.
AWESOME VIDEO!!!
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I would have taken him out I can not leave I serve and protect even after I retired I took the Oath it for life.
How would you make sure that engaging the threat does not result in the innocent bystanders being harmed, Dan?
This was awesome l, I’m glad I saw this
Be prepared to go to jail or lose your home should you elect to get involved. There are scenarios which make this less likely but they also are less likely.
having aCCW does not always call for the John Wayne syndrome... Just because I have a fire arm doesn't mean I have to use it.. I may have doen the exact same thing Jarred did. It may sound selfish but, ME first...I'm gonna go home to my loved ones...
There is nothing wrong with that course of action, Paul!
I don't think it's selfish to make sure you get home to your loved ones. Part of my vows to my wife when we got married is that I would always protect her, and I can't very well do that if I'm dead or in prison. It's not selfish to try to get home, it's prioritizing your family over strangers when you have no responsibility to act.
Good video!
He should be considered to have failed this it wasn't a good thing to not maintain awareness of your surroundings and because of that he didn't maintain control of his firearm in fact. No awareness no control. He wasn't ready for a scenario he should still be running concealed weapon drawing drills along with practicing situational awareness exercises. Before he ever hit a scenario. He should have been drilled to a point where situational awareness is second nature then we can start with the fire arms drills then handling(high stress aka runs until he can barely stand and then practicing drawing firing and reloading) and then and only then should he have been run through a scenario. I'm not expert but even I know and could see that dude was not ready psychologically, physically, or emotionally. He was far too weak.
But I don't think the question was answered. The question it answered was "In what ways can I help someone being threatened?" or even "Should I help..." I was expecting an answer to the legal "can" not the moral "can".
Just wondering, but did Jerry ever recognize the type of weapon the assailant had? If so would he have acted differently? 1. If Jerry detected the type of weapon first he may have stayed in the fight by upholstering his weapon. Which may have prevented more casualties. 2. Jerry, could’ve aggressively stepped toward the assailant while simultaneously upholstering his weapon. This possibility may have change the assailants outlook, loss the grip on the victim or may let her go because of the aggressiveness by Jerry. Either way Jerry is correct! Good job..
The victim could have done more on all 3 videos. But the scenario was not about the victim.
Two Bears Bushcraft I wasn’t referring to the victim to do something, I was talking about Jerry . He could’ve been more aggressive, if he would spent a fraction of more time to identify and interpreting the type of weapon the assailant had.
It is easy to armchair quarterback such a scenario, Jason. How would you be handling such a scenario from start to finish? Also, Jared does address that question at the end of his scenario while talking to the panel.
USCCA first off I’m not “arm chairing” anything! Jerod reacted positively! Made a quick decision to save some people instead of confronting the assailant and possibly make the situation worse. We all will react either in a “ fight or flight” manner. Jerod chose flight! However, if we learn/review past knifing instances. Usually assailant’s aggressively stab their victims multiple times before victims know what happened! Which virtually makes it impossible to identify the assailant unless you witnessing first hand. This training video has the assailant threatening to stab his victim. The first person from USCC reacted with his firearm to assist and Jerod chose another approach. Both approaches are admirable and a win win for both parties.
@@jasonwinekoff5555, You are correct, both approaches are definitely admirable. We appreciate your feedback!
You may have the right in the secular sense to walk away and ignore someone else being threatened, but Christians have a literal obligation to protect the innocent
Pulling a knife within 21 feet and advancing, is FOL (forfeiture of life)
For me I would be guilty but escape is smart
Unfortunately most people are too busy filming it on their phones to help.
Did he do an Office Space thing?
@@Rollochrome there's a Lumberg quote when he grabs the guy for the scenario
at 3:50 you leave the store
The first situation talking worked the second would not . I know I could not leave her . I would have to do some smart thinking . I know I could not leave her .
So could he have shot the suspect? Or nah I’m confused
Living in CA I can’t even defend myself but curious to know in the other free states
Replay this against Indiana...
I would like to get this training in Florida. All the range is just shooting paper. I just can't afford 500 and up to be trained. So I just use my dirt pile. tnxs
When he baked away he had a shot what would have happened if he took it
there is a newer video where that happens
I agree it’s a self defense video . So the women who was “hostage” should just lay in blood because the attacker didn’t choose him ?
He has no assumption to be a Good Samaritan. Sometimes being one gets you in a worse situation or even killed. I saw a video in my LTC class where the Good Samaritan was killed. I’m backing my way as well.
I would have done the same thing and retreated now if the bad guy starts cutting and stabbing people it changes and I would try to intervene
No one deserves a deadly weapon (knife) to their neck. I would stand behind cover and hope for situation to calm, if not I would take option to help the precious woman. . … had it been someone you “knew” would you run away and hope for the best…. Just two seconds ago, the runner was about to buy a complete stranger a dvd collection…. STRANGE WORLD!…. You should rather hope for the best for the counter yeller
hmm seems like the defense of a 3rd party might be valid in this case. Dicey to aim a weapon and escalate, but if he slashes her with the intent to kill (before you unholster), then things change.
where is video number 2??
Tough decision, but I think he made the right one. We are not the police, and don't have the law on our side to defend the public. Calling 911 outside would have been right, but I'd still feel an obligation, if the police didn't come and the guy dragged the woman out to a car. I'd stick around and from a distance if he tried to get her in a car, I'd have pulled my gun and threatened him to stop and release her. If he didn't I would have fired at one of his car tires, to stop taking a kidnap victim, still waiting for police to arrive. All the while keeping my distance and perhaps hear some defensive cover, like another cars(tire and engine)r, if he had a gun, and pulled it out. I would not have shot at him at all. The police should have arrived at this point.
Dennis, excellent observations and well-thought-out plan of action!
Dude rampaged and killed two people. How do you feel about that?
- I feel they should have been responsible citizens and been carrying their own firearms.
I think it's funny, this kind of suppressing good citizens. Remember that Afghanistan evacuation recently? That behavior sends a message. We need to demonstrate "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". If you were to replace those "strangers" with your own family members, would you still do the same, run away and abandon? What makes it different between a stranger's life, a friend's life, and your family member, if you were to have a different response? The moral of the story is stand up to these tantrum bullies the best you can. I understand that you shouldn't go looking for a fight, but at the same time, you as a Good Samaritan, need to hold people like this accountable. In this case, the guy equipped a deadly weapon (knife) and could have easily killed the 1st victim. Then another, and another. Does someone have to die before it's "justified" or do you use common sense and say "hey this guy is waving a knife around, not listening to anyone's input, he might stab this lady, and potentially others.
Im going to be the one to ask this but...
They need to be able to protect and save themselves,we have God given inalienable rights that allow us to do that.
I will not help someone that cannot help themselfs.
It probably sounds horrible but understand it like this, I don't give anything to homeless people when I can I give it to those working but need that extra help.
Let’s see, wouldn’t USCCA make more money annually in member premiums if all their customers ran away like is being taught in this video? So, no (or substantially less) self defense claims will be filed per year and less $$ will be paid out by USCCA?
I think there’s a conflict of interests in this video.
yoyoyo8011 The way you worded this suggests that there is no conflict of interest.
I carry to protect myself and my family. I completely agree with the guy in this scenario. if the bad guy would have started killing people my opinion would changed. But I'm not getting involved over someone taking a hostage. I would have became a good witness and called 911
There is nothing wrong with that course of action, Matt!
Do you have a link to other 2 videos of this scenario? I don't see the third
This is the 3rd video, James.
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMN
you have videos clearly labeled Video 1 and Video 3 but I don't see Video 2. Am I missing something?
No, from what I am seeing that video has not been uploaded, Praise.
Did you run from the woman because she is not your girlfriend? I call it selfish
Very realistic using a blindfold like you were just kidnapped in Afghanistan. 😆 And then to run away and leave all those defenseless people to fend for themselves is quite cowardly in my book!
This dude took off and red that's not a bad idea though
Opinions are like noses ,everybody has one .it is easy to comment on a video but in a real life threatening situation without intense training,most people don't know what they would do. You can't save everyone as much as you would like to.i feel that he made the right decision. Unless it is someone close to you, you must get yourself out of danger as fast as you can if possible. Just my personal opinion. I can't speak for anybody else.
That is very true, Danny. That is why training is so important.
@@USCCAOfficial absolutely.
John 15:5 yeah, that’s a bunch of crap. Nobody will deny training is key, but nobody knows how they will react until the 💩 hits the fan. Training is great, but it doesn’t matter how realistic you try to make it, your mind always knows there is zero risk and a reset button available. You see this in the military, half the time it’s the guys who y’all like Rambo at the bar who are reaching for the tissues the first time the bullets fly.
A couple of things , one America has become a nation of cowards and shirkers. The other is people think caliber makes up for lack of skill. He carried a 45 acp. Well can you execute a failure drill , and or make a head shot in a hostage situation? Would he have just left if the hostage was his wife or one of his children? When I carry , many times I carry a 2 inch much 38 Colt, or a 9mm and a Walther TPH 22. If I didn’t think I could make a head shot with one of the larger pistols , I would use the accurate low recoil 22 for a quick cool head shot or medulla shots
It's not my job I'm not a cop that person got attacked and they didn't have a gun to defend themselves that's their problem not mine
Personally it would have been better if he did act, it would likely have resulted in fewer casualties than giving the perp free reign to stack bodies in the several minutes it would take for the cops to get there. Logically speaking it was the poor decision and resulted in more damage being done than if he'd taken action.
They should be training people to a higher degree I wouldn't call this self defense training but cowardice training. Let's train people to run away so they can't help others and take away the very argument for the second amendment that has saved it countless times.
He so totally bombed on this.
He totally did not - he got out of there safely
Please elaborate on why you think so, Billy.
@@Rollochrome It is hard to determine how you would handle this situation without ever going through a situation like this. Jared's decision to not get involved with this situation is completely reasonable. He chose not to risk his life in a situation he knew nothing about and ensure that he get back home safely to his family.
@@Rollochrome Everyone chooses to have a permit to carry and makes the choice to carry a weapon for a different reason. I am glad to hear that you would help your fellow man in a time of need, and that is very commendable of you! However, we teach at all levels of training that the best fight is the one you are not in. Here is a great article that outlines that: www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/use-of-deadly-force/
From the view I seen he had a very clear shot. Full body shot if he wanted.
First you can't assume its a true POV shot. Second you need 1.5 - 2.2 seconds to draw and shoot. Third the target is not going to stay put while you do it . And finally, body shots from pistols are not instant death rays.. you need a CNS stop.
From his POV he did not have a fair shot, Shane.