$100 Arrows VS $400 Arrows
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2023
- $100 Arrows VS $400 Arrows - Victory RIP TKO Arrows setup to the nines, versus Victory RIP in a more budget friendly option. Tim Connor and MFJJ of @podiumarcher3447 talk about what they have found and break down the arrows in a side-by-side manner. This is a fun comparison video. #archery #arrows #budget
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I have so many questions for ya’ll but here’s the main 2.. subtitles? What ya think of them? Then.. more shooting vids or gear vids? Going to see MFJJ and record another podcast, if you haven’t yet check out the podcast on MFJJ’s channel
I think the subtitles are great I'm less then a year into archery so I like the (How to) and the (What for) vids I shoot the gen2 as well and just put the trek pro site on it but show us some gear as well . tell Mfjj I said hi
Sorry to criticize, love the vids, but the subtitles kind of messed it up for me. I think if people are having trouble understanding they can always turn on the CC on UA-cam.
Probably a minority here. But being a french canadian I liked the subtitles. I’ll follow the journey anyway !
Subtitles are great. Can't watch anything without them.
Subtitles suck. There’s closed captioning for a reason
Great video, and excellent content idea, Tim. Definitely cool to see the components do their job.
It also seems like MFJJ has more fun in Tim's videos, than the "Other Guy's" channel.
Nice video tim. Keep them rolling
Loving the Videos! Keep it up Tim!
Always a good day when you start the day with an upload from Tim
Thank you my dude ✊✊
Awesome as always!
I like a mix of both style videos. I like how to’s, the shooting technique videos, shooting different styles indoor, 3D, hunts. I just love archery. I love learning and tinkering like the vast majority of us do. You have a following buddy, you can’t please everyone. Just be you! Good luck with this future endeavor. I’ll continue being a subscriber.
Really cool to see the titanium still spin, that’s what made the test. Knowing the arrow is bound to blow up its cool to see spending the money on components will actually last. Cool video as always
Keep pumping out these great videos
Appreciate ya
Maybe do a video with different arrow tolerances 0.006-0.001 over long distance 50-100 yards and see what the difference is
Stephen Hansen and Archer Supplies has commented numerous times on his videos that he doesn't think it matters. He's shot just as good scores with .001 and .006 arrows. There might be an argument about straightness with broadheads but it's such a small measurement that it doesn't really matter.
@@YoureSoVane I'm partial to believe most things Stephen says because he's been in the industry so long, and I fully believe that at 20 yards it really makes no difference, but 0.006 compounded over 100 yards could add up. The other side of this is shooting exactly the same every time at a distance that great, I think that human variance will outweigh the difference in straightness. But it would be a fun experiment none the less.
@@CruddyCpt I agree. He makes a point that even in field archery he doesn't see a difference, and there's more variance in your arm sway than the straightness of an arrow.
If it's linear deflection, as I would assume, at 100 yards that's less than an inch of deviation. However it's only linear in a sense, as the arrow will stabilize shortly after leaving the bow. The initial laugh direction might be slightly offset, but wind plays a much more significant role.
Yeh was gonna ask the same thing, ive got the rip tko in .006 and .001 just to try might be a slight edge to the .001 but I spin test every arrow with field point or broadhead so they spin true, all I know is I hope I don't break lose too many of the .001, here in Aus it's $150 a doz for the .006 and $220 for the .001
Sorry this comment is 6 months late. In my opinion .001 arrows need less work. BUT with a little elbow grease something like a black eagle outlaw will shot just as good or better than a super expensive arrow. I've had FANTASTIC success with black eagle outlaw shafts.
Great video and breakdown. No idea if your adding the closed caption but I do enjoy it. I can watch in areas where it’s noisy or I need to be quiet (hunting) and enjoy the video.
Great content keep giving us a bit of both the Technical gear stuff and shooting 3D and general practice/technique stuff luv educational stuff!
Great video! I'd like to see those same arrows head to head in a broadhead group challenge. 60 yards, which one shoots a tighter group with a variety of broadheads (just 3 or 4 different heads).
Good video. Curious what inserts you were using for the steel and Ti?
It’ll take a lot to get me off my Goldtip Kinetic Pierce Platinum arrows. Been shooting them since they came out, just perfect.
Hey if ya dig them all good my dude !
50 grain .245/.246 insetrs with minimal out the front length....for the people. Great video those held up amazing
Great video Tim. Followed for a while, this earned a subscriber 👍🏼 Any luck with that Podium discount code? 😎
I like the RIP TKO sports
I love the videos! I was wondering if you could make a slow motion video on 100 yards shots with a strong helical, light helical, offset and straight. Do with field points and broadheads both.
You did it!🙆♂️ thanks👍
Of course my dude
Great video. Don’t care for the subtitles. Y’all’s chemistry is awesome.
thanks my dude!
Nice one, yeh def keen to see a vid on a direct shoot off between a .006 and .001 at long range ie 100m+ see if its worth the extra outlay, cant say ive had any issues with the stock inserts of the rip tko time will tell
Cool test for sure but I would like to have seen the 50g Aluminum insert shot as well. Also maybe some factory arrows the average Joe can buy and just use right out of the box, Gold Tip’s Easton’s etc compared to the Victory Arrow builds. I’ve been testing the Victory Stainless Insert to the Aluminum on my RIP TKO builds and shot both thru a horse stall mat into a 2x4 and the Stainless insert broke inside the shaft of the arrow and the the aluminum didn’t.
That was a pretty wild test we used a lot of titanium on are racing snowmobiles
You guys are right on the components. I shout VAP TKO and the aluminum half outs are junk. I use Easton titanium half outs now and they are extremely tough.
Justin just got me setup on a new phase 4 absolutely love it
Justin is a G!
Another great idea for a video. I’ve found the same thing with my redneck tests. Keep kicking it man. You’re doing great!
Good stuff! I buy cheap Vforce Sport shafts to practice with and use VF TKO Gamers for my hunting arrows. You especially don't need the straighter grades of shafts if you cut them down. I cut mine to 27" with a 29" draw. But honestly, the .006 Sports shoot just as well as the Gamers and Elites when you build them right. The TKOs are definitely more durable than the standard ones.
That side blowout is the reason a lot of people use collars. If you had a stainless or even aluminum collar over that Titanium halfout it may have saved it from blowing out. The Stainless halfout on the RIP has that slight lip to it which helps keep the end from mushrooming.
I agree, I spin test mine and cut both ends if needed 👍👍
Love the video, HATE the subtitles 😂 I’d love to see more shooting vids AND more gear vids 🤙🏻
Just wanted to try them, they’re a lot easier to make now. I’ll likely use sparingly in the future
@@TimConnor13 I wonder if UA-cam has an option for subtitles? I know when I’m scrolling through my feed and I stop on a video it’ll start playing on a lot of them and I can turn the subtitles off or on. I’ve never tried it after actually clicking on a video and watching it in full screen. If that makes sense. Nonetheless, keep up the vids bud, love the content!
@@Butterballs should be top right side of the screen
I shoot Black Eagle Outlaws for 3d in the winter, summer and all of my practice. I pay $6.70 per finished arrow which includes three Q2I vanes and a great arrow especially for that price. They are as durable as anything I've tested including RIP TKOs and group well at distance. The Black Eagle rep at ATA told me they are built exactly like their upper end arrows, they just needed a "budget" option. I do hunt with Carnivores but only because the gpi is lower so I can control my overall weight and FOC.
As far as components, I hunt with the stock 15 grain aluminum insert and blow through deer without issue including shoulder blades. Every arrow, insert and VPA head are fine to put back in the quiver.
Noted!
Hey Poe, where are you buying those finished arrows?
Love what you're doing and the content of the videos are great.
I just need to say, and I don't know if anyone has mentioned this so far.
You move the camera around very quickly, which I find hard to watch at times, and on this last video, the focus on the damaged arrow points was off so I couldn't see the damage.
I don't mean to sound critical, its just my observation and others may be to polite to say something.
I know camera gear is expensive and its a new start for you which I am really enjoying, but is there an attachment that stops the camera jumping as you walk.
Again really appreciate what you're doing. Its just feedback from a veiwer.
This is the content I’m here for
I have been testing a set of Rip TKO 300 spine with their 60 grain stainless steel insert. 125 grain tip right at 15% FOC. So far doing great and even hit some hard material. Sounds straight. Time will tell. (ABT)
Tim----- try xx75 arrow sleeves cut 2.5" or 3" long with stock aluminum inserts. epoxy the sleeves on flush to the aluminum insert. really toughens them up without buying pricey inserts and keeps the arrow from splitting like your test. very easy on the pocketbook too. 2114, 2219's fit over many carbons nice and snug.
I’ve been looking at ordering from MFJJ from here in British Columbia ! Question though, I’m looking at the rip tko with titanium inserts and I see they stick half inch out, so if I shoot a 28 inch arrow should I have the new ones cut at 27.5 to account for the half inch?
Great content by the way!
you cut the carbon past your rest, and then insert goes in front of that
How do the Victory RIP XV compare to these options?
Ok so I was shooting 3dhv and been breaking them even with stainless collars and hit inserts. They are just too fragile. Thinking about going to a rip or riptko. Is the durability of the tko that much better? Mainly looking for durability for unknown range shoots. I shoot my huntin rig so I’m not usually super fast and flat like the target guys
I already tested my arrow on steel by accident. Missed shooting a 60 yard target at my local community archery range....
Tim, a good question I’d like to see Josh answer is whether the TKO (3K woven carbon) actually makes the arrow weaker. I shot the VAP TKOs and found all of their great arrows, they were not nearly as durable as even the regular VAP arrows made from a solid piece of carbon. Obviously the benefits of the 3K the carbon weave is the impact paradox correction, but I’d like to know if he has seen that durability issue?
I have similar thoughts on the tko
I would like to see various testing on components - especially what the cost/benefit spread is on cheaper and weaker components (you sorta already did this) but i would be interested what changes from an easton brass 50gr HIT insert vs the Iron Will 50gr insert vs MFJJ's titanium half outs. the respective price is $1.66 vs. $4.16 vs. $7.50 per insert across those three options....
This video is spot on with what I have dealt with. I have one bow set up with RIP TKO, the other with RIP...both in 250 spine. The weight of a RIP at 250 spine is misrepresented on the victory website. I've ordered 3 dozen over the last few months, different packages. The weight is very consistently 10 gpi. So they do weigh significantly more than RIP TKO at that spine (10 gpi vs. 8.9). If I cut my arrows down to 28.5" carbon to carbon, use the same 60 grain steel insert, 125 grain tip, 3 fletch and use a lighted nock, I get 485 grains for the RIP TKO, and 512 grains for the RIP. Is 22 grains and slightly better FOC worth $105 more per arrow (arrow cost plus having to buy the inserts for the TKO)? I'm thinking when my other bow runs out of RIP TKO, I will switch it over to RIP and use the same arrows for both bows. In 250 spine, I haven't seen the RIP TKOs survive anything that the RIPs don't, and both spin excellently and tune just fine.
I have been using the 5mm easton axis but not the match grade. so far so good. Could you guys cover nock fit? I can feel the difference in string fit when I nock and OEM v AAE IP nock.
I use the same arrows. I was curious, does having steel inserts make much of a difference when it's something like the HIT where it's fully encased by the arrow? In my head, the arrow's carbon breaks before the aluminum/brass inserts that come with the arrow bend, so is this something I need to think about at all? Especially when the arrow is screwed into the insert to provide some semblance of rigidity
Subtitles didn’t bother me but you can turn on CC if you need the assisted reading and since you both speak English clearly it’s translates very well👌 and I think shooting and gear is just a good combo because it’s what we’re all interested in, especially when something new comes in that is a must know about since you and JJ are fortunate enough to be able to provide that information basically free besides today😅
I’m willing to bet you guys could start up a spring and summer camp for new archery people and show them the basics of how to shoot properly and maybe even how to tinker themselves…would be a course to sign up for, for sure especially for the locals but people travel for that stuff all the time!
Thanks Mr T!
I shot my RIP .006 400 spine's through my metal target frame and it was fine. 1/2" square iron. It got stuck but slides right out. In fact I purchased them from Podium archery at auction. Oh, my point was a victory glue type point. Go Victory
Drop subtitles would be my vote
Noted
Tim lets see the cheaper arrow with better parts at long range against the $$$ arrow
Noted!
That's what I want to see, too.
I have a new dozen of TKOs, and I think they upgraded the components, so now that would be a 5 as well.
Can u guys do something on the rip xv im trying to build a fast 80 pound arrow for southern white tails there smaller animals normally I’ve killed 2 buck over 200lbs and I’ve only seen a handful both I killed were records for the wma I killed them on
Been shooting the ethics outsert system for 2 years now. Ridiculously tough. Might eat that steal plate for dinna
I know Josh is a big fan of the Rip and TKOs, but im curious how he compares other arrows to them. Like the GT Airstrikes, or Black Labels. I've seen his review on the Airstrikes solely, but why would he choose one or the other based on what.
You shouldn't need to ask Josh if he has opinions...
Lol facts Jack.
Hearing Josh’s opinions just makes for good banter.
Very interested in the part where MFJJ said get better components over a straight arrow. I thought straightness had everything to do with good arrow flight. Particularly when the vanes are trying to control the arrow. Would a crooked arrow cause more parachuting than a straight arrow with certain vane configurations? Wouldn't it have an effect on deflection?
Everything mfjj talks about goes back to hunting. So when he said that he just meant the money you could use to buy a .001 arrow vs a .003 or .006 would be better used on components and broadheads. It doesn't matter how straight the arrow is if the outsert/halfout/insert is bent. That'll affect the flight more than an arrow being not as straight. Especially with broadhead out front.
@Charles Lefebvre gold tips are cheap .001 arrows, I used them but switched to black eagle x impacts for some reason. Groups the same but penetrates unbelievably more.
I had Gold Tip Platinum Pierce arrows, and they spun terribly on the spinner. But the components were also brutal. Only thing I liked was the facts system, cause I could tinker with weight easily and cheaply. Switched to Axis and have been loving them for how straight they are. But I cheaped out and used the regular hit inserts... now I'm feeling like I missed an opportunity, having seen this video
@@sapperROSS which gold tips?
@Cam Bradshaw . Yeah our shop refuses to stock them anymore. We'd have to put a field point in a drill and screw each insert on then spin and use steel wool so they'd all fit in the shafts to full depth and so the collars would fit. Some of the most atrocious quality control.
I am a little confused. Was this a test between "standard thickness" RIP .204 and RIP TKO .204 or a less "straight" Sport (.006) RIP TKO vs an Elite (.001) RIP TKO?
Does the RIP have the coating that the TKO has on it that helps with pulling arrows?
It’s not the same but the wider outsert makes pulling arrows a breeze
Yes, they both have the same ICE coating. The TKO has a woven layer on the outside and the regular RIP doesn't. All victory arrows have the slick ICE coating.
I’d look into woodys starburst nocks. They are pretty good and excellent customer service. You’ll get 6 nocks for about the same as 3. If your interested in looking at them LMK! Keep up the great work!
Do you do any personal training, to help other UA-camrs, could use some advice on my channel, thanks Tim. Great content, good stuff.
Happy to offer advice if it helps..
I always buy the lower grade arrow. I have a 26.25 inch draw so by the time I cut that much off an arrow it's super straight. The money I save goes on titanium components.
No doubt.. 🤙
@@TimConnor13 mind you, my Hobbit arms may be short but they're strong so I'm shooting 82lbs and grab some speed back 😁. I'm really digging your new channel btw 👍
Your videos are great, but I would like to see you slow down a bit the technical stuff with MFJJ it's hard to follow along. When it comes to this video what did shooting steel really tell us. The arrow is destroyed but the insert is straight??? If I hit something hard maybe not as hard as a steel plate with no give. I want the arrow and insert to survive ie I miss a target and hit hard rubber backstop, skip off a rock, or hit wood. What inserts and arrow combo can and will survive?
I want to see mfjj build a heavy arrow I know he hates them but if he was how would he do it what would be his insight I’m a big ranch fairy fan but I’ve learned so much from mfjj honestly my whole technique form everything is attributable to mfjj and despite mfjj not liking heavy arrows I know he has some very good information he would be able to share anyway love everything yall are doing thanks
Do you think the blood line easton 400 spine from 2012 with inserts and blazer vanes were good arrows compared to todays arrows. Cheeper comparison. I have alot of them400 and 480 spine only shooting 55 lb 27 in draw
The bloodlines were great arrows.
Do you guys have a podcast on spotify?
Yes, link is in description
Look into Sirius arrows!
Where can I download the Tim Connor self made sound effects you make with your mouth? Way better than anything else on the internet!
Lol.. sfx pack coming soon? 😂
I can get rip tko elites at my local shop for $90 a 6 pack which is like $30 cheaper then anywhere else I know
Straightness matters when it comes to fixed blade broadheads. Im sure theres a difference with field points to but most aint good enough to tell
What TI inserts did you shoot?
Josh's titanium inserts on podiumarcher.com
@@TimConnor13 but I don't see the TI for .166 ID only the .204
What was the exact model of the cheaper RIP’s that you tested? Gamers, Elites, Sports?? Saying a more “budget friendly option” isn’t telling us much!!
.06’s
Where’s the aluminum arrow blowing up?
Great vid. but subtitles...meh not a fan. Would be cool to break down the durability test a bit finer TBH. a chart perhaps? X-arrow costs this much with these components, (equations) did this well shooting at a steel plate (calculations) vs Y-arrow with these OEM components...etc. IMO, if you're gonna nerd out on a test like this, go balls out! Part 2 please! 🤓
Now try to shoot the carbon express triads stick setup into some steel most durable stock arrow build available
I’ve never had a victory outsert bend and I’ve shot them into about everything.
Aluminum or steel?
@@TimConnor13 75 gr. SS inner AL outer style. Been great for five plus years. Put them on my victory arrows and the Eastons as well.
The no tiddies comment had me rolling. Great video. Not asking you to waste money but could you show how much the aluminum bends in comparison.
I feel like MFJJ is caught in the middle of a bad divorce between you and Dan I see him in your video one day and then end dance video the next day
Now help me decide what a good 3D arrow is to use that won’t completely break the bank but is going to help me be more accurate.
I really like the Sirius Orion micro diameters. I shoot the 200 spine with 370 up front between the insert and point.
My next setup I’m going to be shooting Bishop Fad Eliminators. $600 per dozen without the Cold Fusion Rods.
I personally use cheaper arrows. The straighter arrows are better but for my application I don’t need .001. Spend the money I save on gas.
For laughs Tim is that a arrow or a lady’s requirement list just asking 😂😂❤ sorry if it sounds inappropriate I don’t intend to offend any person just seeing the funny side respect 🙏👍🤙🤘❤️
I've built a few that would survive that test just fine. But that's still way more extreme than what you'll need* in the woods.
For sure… way more extreme
I don’t think you do. I’m shooting .006 straightness arrows, all arrows spin great, squared off and group just as well as my .001 straightness arrows.
Sirius arrows, never going back...
Hell no! How many people can shoot well enough to ACTUALLY KNOW the difference? I’ve used .001 and .003 both in a shooting machine. No difference in POI. Just saying. And I’m liking these vids Mr. 👍👍
Agreed, human error will be more of an issue than that little bit of straightness
Good info, but for the important pits, could you please slow down a bit,,, somewhat challenging to follow,,,, Yeah I know I can rewind,, but you know,,, lazy ass... Good stuff.
👊
Still can buy the bloodline for 120 a dozen
I shoot a bear legion 2012 50 to 60 lb
Im a UK target archer. (For me, Its a sociable hobby) Bow hunting is illegal in the UK.
Budget matters.
Most UK target clubs shoot at schools and sports grounds and have no carbon arrow rules.
At the club. We have a no lost arrow policy. It must be found.
We shoot at a school, if the school finds an arrow after we have left. we lose the shooting venue, no ifs or buts.
So our arrow choice is very limited... Aluminum or Carbon Alu only. That basically limits our choice to Easton. Which since the changed to shipping charges are now getting stupid expensive.
Using 100% carbon arrows would be cheaper but are all but impossible to find when misses happen.
Please turn off the cc
remember, steel is stronger than titanium.
run the steel with the iron will or ethics steel/titanium collars mfjj hates so much.....
Love the content! Please quit that damn intro noise🤦♂️
All that fancy high dollars shit is unnecessary
I feel if your too lazy to tune EVERY SINGLE ARROW and use better or best arrow accessories don’t be whining on the hunt or the range about poor to pathetic arrow flight. You don’t have to spend a lot extra to build a very excellent arrow. Like you don’t have to buy custom ammo for your deer rifle anymore. IMO, the amount of EXTRA? effort one should put into building will pay off in aces. Slow methodical process is the way to go.
Tim i love you man but i seriously think you've lost your mind
Look Tim I like your stuff but focus on driving not youtube!
stop factoring components that come with arrows, none of the hardcores are using the garbage that comes with any arrows anymore. wouldn't even think about it they get tossed immediately.