Ultimate Arrow Tinkering: No Stone Unturned..

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  • @JS-ji5bl
    @JS-ji5bl 2 роки тому +2

    You guys have have best archery related information of any channel I've seen on UA-cam..

  • @brettwelch8368
    @brettwelch8368 2 роки тому +9

    this is why I started watching your guy's channel. I am always tinkering with my setup and never happy lol. because of the info and tips I've gotten from the channel, last year I was having a hard time grouping at 20 yards, now I practice at 70! keep up the awesome work!!!

    • @ElkShape
      @ElkShape  2 роки тому +1

      Glad to hear it dude !

  • @Phuskooz
    @Phuskooz Рік тому +4

    I appreciate the one F-bomb that wasn’t bleeped at 20:32
    More of those, please!

  • @matthewsimpson9568
    @matthewsimpson9568 2 роки тому +1

    Anybody building their own arrows should save this video so many golden nuggets also shows the integrity of victory arrows

  • @nicolasmora5395
    @nicolasmora5395 2 роки тому +1

    These videos are what set you guys apart from the rest. It’s not just the knowledge from MFJJ, it’s the questions that are asked along the way.

  • @midwestsportsmanlife
    @midwestsportsmanlife 2 роки тому +5

    I love how the guys heckle Josh relentlessly. He just laughs them off like dude I’ve done this already lol

  • @JFeo3
    @JFeo3 10 місяців тому

    This answered all questions I had about rip tko’s and spine alignment marker and where to face it. Jj and Dan your videos are so helpful and informative. Thanks!

  • @steven_farmer89
    @steven_farmer89 2 роки тому +6

    Been looking forward to this video since I got the email alert. Great video, I am building hunting and TAC arrows now and this is awesome.

  • @rocknthamix
    @rocknthamix 2 роки тому +7

    I love these type of vids. The fellowship and knowledge bombs are always on point. Keep it going guys 🙏🏼💪🏼

  • @hollywood3882
    @hollywood3882 Рік тому

    Gosh I love this video!!!! It’s literally my 5th time watching it in 24 hours. I’m so HOOKED, I killed my first ever Archery mule deer with a compound bow and this. Omg this video. I’m currently ordering stuff to build my arrows for next season. Thank you guys so much!!

  • @mab0852
    @mab0852 2 роки тому +5

    When I spin my shafts, I set a piece of paper with a parallel line on each end of the arrow so I can tell exactly where the bend is. I cut out the bend best I can whether that means all from 1 end, equal from both ends, or 75/25 if both ends move but one is worse than the other. I also square both ends regardless of cut and I square the insert after it is installed. I also clock my inserts so my broadhead and spine/tune are in line and then fletch in alignment with that as well. I weight sort everything beforehand and match components to zero out the final build, consistently .5 grain or less. Several of my buddies run the same build as me and we can swap arrows or bows with consistent groupings and single digit ES/SD on the LabRadar. Do all you want with spine, but if they aren't consistently running the same speed (same speed=same weight=same KE) your groups will open up and show it. What drives me nuts is when they start swapping heads and assume when the package says 125 it's really 125...I've weight sorted, shot, and chronoed enough to know that's BS.

  • @winksfitnessworldcoachwink7748
    @winksfitnessworldcoachwink7748 3 місяці тому

    Thank for all the great in depth information! Like the teamwork and humor as well. Keep up the great works!🏆

  • @jordang94
    @jordang94 Місяць тому

    ABT ! Every time i watch this i learn something new , pretty amazing

  • @GhillieFrog
    @GhillieFrog 2 роки тому +4

    Great video boys!! I really enjoy building my own arrows and this video is full of great pro tips. Thanks again for taking the time to make this and share it for free!!

    • @ElkShape
      @ElkShape  2 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @marklaw6949
    @marklaw6949 2 роки тому +1

    You guys are clearly at the top of your game…..
    and ya, you gotta watch these videos at least twice to get all the finer points. Thanks

  • @brpnw4r94
    @brpnw4r94 2 роки тому +19

    I've come to the point on my life where arrows are like bullets. Match them to your specific "platform". One thing I'm going to take away from this is cutting from the nock end. I shoot Victory VAP TKO Elites (hunting) and Victory Elites (target/3d) Silver sharpies are your friend. Great content, brothers. Edit. I to shoot left helical as arrows clock L out of both my rigs.

    • @ElkShape
      @ElkShape  2 роки тому

      ABT!

    • @punishthewicked5845
      @punishthewicked5845 2 роки тому

      It’s easy shoo the same arrows always

    • @nycredneck
      @nycredneck 2 роки тому +2

      I too started a left helical fletch several years ago after realizing the arrows were rotating left off the string with no fletching.

    • @longrangeredneck1335
      @longrangeredneck1335 6 місяців тому

      @@nycredneck did you notice a difference in accuracy ?

  • @jeffreyfred4817
    @jeffreyfred4817 2 роки тому +1

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard this many bleeps in a elk shape video… I bleeping love it !! awesome video guy's solid info 👍, I love me some victory’s

  • @hellcatoutdoors
    @hellcatoutdoors 2 роки тому

    Out of 5 years of searching for the ultimate arrow build guide go figure my favourite crew of MFJJ and Elkshape have ended my search

  • @jddkayla712
    @jddkayla712 2 роки тому +2

    Great video! I do agree 100% with making sure you don't spin an arrow on its logo. Respectively, I somewhat disagree with not cutting from both sides. I have a long draw length so I don't have a lot of room to play with when building/cutting my shafts. I am currently building a heavy-ish micro diameter Element Storm arrow for hunting that will come out to 520 gr TAW with right at 17% foc. After spinning them, I found 3 out of the 12 had more wobble on the nock end but also some on the front. I split the difference and cut both ends. Maybe it was luck but I ended up with a straight arrow. I decided to be super OCD with this build just to see if I can find any variation to the pros and cons of going the extra mile when building arrows. I weighed every fletch, nock, outsert, shaft, and broadhead. I then separated each peice and placed in their own pile by weight. Like I said, super OCD build. I want to know if I can do everything in my power to build the most consistent match grade hunting arrow as well as the best tune possible for my bow. It has taken a lot of time but it's also very relaxing. Just my opinion, upgrade your spinner to a Sirius. It's adjustable, better built, and more accurate imo. I don't think you will regret it. One question, do you nock arrows stiff side up or stiff side facing the brace?

  • @connor_bohnts
    @connor_bohnts 2 роки тому

    I don’t know about anyone else but i had to watch this a couple of times to abstain all the knowledge in this video.

  • @brock77kb83
    @brock77kb83 8 місяців тому

    Great videos as always…this Answered one of my questions.
    Would have been a great comparison to see how the field point vs broad head shot at further distances …

  • @KS-ko9on
    @KS-ko9on 2 роки тому +5

    Depending on how long ago you got that spine tester. There is a good shot I machined that, assembled it and shipped it. Kinda cool to see it in a video.

  • @bryantrimborn9489
    @bryantrimborn9489 Рік тому

    MFJJ your head should be the size of a 5 gal bucket. Most of the knowledge your dropping I’ve never heard of. Can’t wait to go thru a total bow and arrow build at SVA!

  • @mikewhitehead677
    @mikewhitehead677 2 роки тому +1

    Love the video. Would love a vid on using the Ram arrow spine tester. I use mine but I know there's so much more that it can be used for. Please

  • @fishingwithphil2582
    @fishingwithphil2582 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome awesome video! I do not build my own arrows but I will now! Thanks for putting out the best archery videos on UA-cam!

  • @jimmarkovitz2206
    @jimmarkovitz2206 2 роки тому +2

    Good stuff as always! Love this sort of video.

    • @ElkShape
      @ElkShape  2 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @jkeithhowe
    @jkeithhowe 2 роки тому +2

    One of my favorite vids you have done. Keep up the amazing content gentlemen!

  • @wyattberg8428
    @wyattberg8428 2 роки тому

    The week I’m starting my arrow buy and build. Timing is impeccable.

  • @juanrodriguez-mu7ko
    @juanrodriguez-mu7ko 8 місяців тому

    Awesome separation is in the preparation!!!

  • @desertclimber78
    @desertclimber78 Рік тому

    Awesome info! Thanks for putting this together.

  • @michaiahsoares7854
    @michaiahsoares7854 2 роки тому +1

    Love your guys content! You guys should come out here to Molokai, ill take u guys to sling some arrows at some Axis deer🤙🏽

    • @ElkShape
      @ElkShape  2 роки тому

      Send an email elkshape@gmail.com

  • @loyalsmithson1544
    @loyalsmithson1544 2 роки тому +1

    This was a GREAT video, applicable information and knowledge!

  • @frankr608
    @frankr608 2 роки тому

    Switched to Black Engle carnivore. Affordable, and in stock .
    And are doing the Aron Syder methods minus the spine alignment tool. Doing the nock tuning for the first time .

  • @jeremycavaretta1035
    @jeremycavaretta1035 2 роки тому +1

    Another great video guys! You always have us learning 👍🏻

  • @jamiesaxe7165
    @jamiesaxe7165 2 роки тому

    Awesome seeing you guys be yourselves and have a laugh. Great stuff as always 🤘

  • @kylehoward5452
    @kylehoward5452 2 роки тому +1

    I’ll have to try some gold tip inserts for .204 I’ve always been a fan of putting the hit inserts on my broadheads and hot melting the whole thing in as one piece. Almost like a synder core. Have felt that then that way the broadhead is inside the arrow a bit and might be stronger with a collar.

    • @ElkShape
      @ElkShape  2 роки тому

      give em a shot, they've been good - tc

  • @mattsoutdoors7757
    @mattsoutdoors7757 2 роки тому

    Great video. I use the victory RIP 300. I do all my arrows also and I have done all those steps. I have too say it is a all day prosses to do all that. I only do victory because of the spine aline. So much quicker to build the victory.

  • @markkahler1130
    @markkahler1130 2 роки тому

    Dan's Hoodie is bad ass! I Love it.

  • @josephhenderson7044
    @josephhenderson7044 5 місяців тому

    I just built a dozen of Tko gamer 300. I put three fletches AAR MAX 30gr titanium out with a 100 grain field tip and measures 27” center of nock to end of carbon and I have a weight of 403.6.

  • @justintorres08
    @justintorres08 2 роки тому +1

    I found with my tko”s with bare shaft shooting and nock tuning through paper I found that even though “spine aligned” that didn’t mean that arrow reacted the same out of the bow. So that test was all personal but I found some aarow my cock vane was on the marked spine and some weren’t. Takeaway from this is the more you dive deep into arrows the better performance and confidence you’ll have down the road.

  • @myronriggs9613
    @myronriggs9613 2 роки тому

    Great video! Thanks ! Now I’m going to have to rewatch it to pick up what I missed the first time.👍

    • @ElkShape
      @ElkShape  2 роки тому

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @vancejohnson1778
    @vancejohnson1778 2 роки тому

    Hell ya guys, sweet video dig all the info and the build, don't mind the longer videos at all 👌

  • @georgemyers6518
    @georgemyers6518 Рік тому

    Great video.
    I’m a big fan of Victory arrows.

  • @ny-co3039
    @ny-co3039 4 місяці тому

    You just saved me 70-80 bucks a dozen, those sports are dope

  • @kevinanderson4610
    @kevinanderson4610 10 місяців тому

    I loved the video. Very informative. How do I find the weak part of the arrow if I’m at home and don’t shoot Victory arrows?

  • @MikeyWoomer
    @MikeyWoomer 2 роки тому +2

    Great video watched every second of it.. I need to go back and watch it again because I'm not sure what outsert that was he used
    I think he said gold tip. I got away from outserts because how easy they bend. Maybe these are different.

    • @BobBowers1967
      @BobBowers1967 2 роки тому

      He is using what I like to call a "half-out" insert. Meaning part of it is in the shaft, part is in front of the shaft and the part that is in front of the shaft is the same or very close diameter to the arrow itself. This differs in an "Outsert" that goes completely on the outside of the shaft and nothing is inside the shaft. And yes, these are Gold Tip stainless inserts made for the Traditional series of arrows (or Airstrikes as they have a stainless version available for that shaft as well that might fit the OD of whatever arrow you are trying to put these in). Just as a side note, most of these GT stainless halfouts are around 72-78 grains. And you can add weight to them by using the Victory screw in weights which come in 10, 20, and 50 grains. Very, very tough system when you put all this together. I was building these type of arrows years ago and they are the toughest I've ever used bar none.

  • @stick__shooter
    @stick__shooter 2 роки тому +1

    I love the VF TKOs. I cut mine to 27" carbon to carbon and use the Gamers. I haven't seen a reason to use Elites cut down that short.

  • @conradsearle9774
    @conradsearle9774 2 роки тому

    I just built some doing most of what you guys just did and now I'm thinking of doing some inserts in the last 6 I have left and maybe might be getting some rip tkos soon

  • @aaronshorter864
    @aaronshorter864 2 роки тому +1

    If using the outsert that makes arrow 1” longer, why not cut an extra 1” off? And the longer insert going further into arrow does that also alter stiffness since now the first 2-3” is now solid vs hollow?

  • @talkinturkeywithtony4697
    @talkinturkeywithtony4697 2 роки тому

    I've searched for Ram Spine Tester videos, this is the best one yet.

  • @justindoyle6039
    @justindoyle6039 2 роки тому

    I just finished building out 12 of the TKO elite’s. 11/12 were bullet holes when nock tuning off the spine align mark

  • @jumrobe
    @jumrobe 2 роки тому

    I'm going to have to give the RIP TKO a shot. I've never shot Victory arrows, but this was a good testimonial for the quality of the product.

  • @thilou6092
    @thilou6092 Рік тому

    Thank for yours videos ; what is the best arrows for 2D&3D shoot , whit Hoyt RX7 Ultra 60 lbs and 29 " ? tube , spikes ?? Thank you from Belgium

  • @southdakotasaved126
    @southdakotasaved126 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome video as always! I have the same arrow squaring tool, great tip on using the silver sharpie when squaring, I should have thought of that...LOL :), always learn something new from your vids! I just ordered an Elite Bow and Hamskea rest from you guys @ Podium Archery! Keep the great content coming, much appreciated!

    • @ElkShape
      @ElkShape  2 роки тому

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @joshuaryan980
    @joshuaryan980 2 роки тому

    “IT TURNED TO THE LEFT, SUM BUTCH!!!!”😂😂😂😂 damn it I love these guys!!!!

  • @patrickdoan1291
    @patrickdoan1291 2 роки тому +1

    Do you ever use the GT ballistic collars that go with those inserts? Or is it just unnecessary weight to add to the front?

  • @williamsonkm20
    @williamsonkm20 2 роки тому

    Josh put the Goldtip inserts on my arrows while I was there and I love them! No turning back now.

  • @gordonmilligan6747
    @gordonmilligan6747 2 роки тому

    Could you do a video explaining straightness vs unity of stiffness and broad heads vs field tips would be amazing. Love how you explain things

  • @WildTines
    @WildTines 2 роки тому +1

    That paper tuning footy is MONEY! gah damn!

  • @justingarant9367
    @justingarant9367 2 роки тому

    super duper tips in this one. I’m starting to get a bit geeked out on arrows and all this FOC discussions. What’s your take on brass inserts?
    I just had some 5mm brass hit Easton inserts ordered 🍻

  • @lbtn1
    @lbtn1 2 роки тому +1

    Great video, I do have a question, which GT inserts do you use? The .204 Traditionals or the .204 Kinnetics? They come in different widths. Thanks.

    • @BobBowers1967
      @BobBowers1967 2 роки тому

      He's talking about the 204 Trad series halfout since they are stainless. The Kinetic series is aluminum. Gold Tip also has stainless halfouts for their Airstrike lineup so you may find an OD that will work for you there in that series.

  • @ericsabo88
    @ericsabo88 2 роки тому

    I wouldn't mind seeing one last step before fletching, and that is verifying all bare shafts hit in the same group @ 30 yards, if you have a flyer or 2, turn nock incrementally to see if it will group with others. May be a waste of time but this is something I'm going to soon be testing with my current arrow build.

  • @tommcmurchie625
    @tommcmurchie625 Місяць тому

    I want to see y’all test the sanlida arrows. Since they are so much cheaper than other brands.

  • @jackbuendgen389
    @jackbuendgen389 2 роки тому +4

    I have a 26" draw. When I take the time to spin each shaft and cut off the wobbly ends I am blown away how straight my arrows are! Then I weight sort every component, nock tune them, and fletch them myself. Most of the time there's a 1.5 grain difference between the lightest and heaviest arrow.

  • @jeff_8789
    @jeff_8789 2 роки тому +1

    I've shot the rip xv 300s for 3 seasons in the gamers and I've never measured one yet that was over 2.5 thousands so for the money I'm sticking with them and the ethics components been an awesome combo thus far with the qud exodus on the end it comes out at 440 grains at 20.4foc

    • @jedhuf7548
      @jedhuf7548 2 роки тому

      I’m rocking almost the same setup! I love the XVs! I’m yet to have a durability issue with the lighter shaft.

  • @adamhalcom1608
    @adamhalcom1608 2 роки тому +1

    Great videos. Spoke with them on the phone very helpful guys. One question is how y'all index the fletching vs spine alignment marks? Thanks for all the videos can't wait for the next one.

    • @nwmod39
      @nwmod39 2 роки тому

      I'm going to say since they said they were shooting with the spine mark straight up that they fletch the cock vane with the spine align mark.

  • @williamthomson6641
    @williamthomson6641 Рік тому

    Great information.

  • @briansteele1378
    @briansteele1378 Рік тому

    So with Victory spine aligned arrows, a good starting point would be with the spine alignment mark facing up?

  • @jddpt3281
    @jddpt3281 2 роки тому +1

    If you clock left and fletch left, does this keep you from using a right single bevel broadhead? Opposite spin tendencies.

    • @ElkShape
      @ElkShape  2 роки тому

      yes, we'd use left single bevel..

  • @ComeInBlueOver
    @ComeInBlueOver Рік тому

    How do we know how much weight we want in our arrow? I’m new to this I’ve been shooting for several years but I always just had my local pro shop do everything

  • @papaschuette
    @papaschuette Рік тому

    I learn something new on every one of your videos. I'm gonna invest the money to start building my own arrows. I'm kind of on a limited budget, but don't want below mid grade equipment either. Any recommendations? I definitely appreciate everything you do.

  • @Bluuubbb1
    @Bluuubbb1 Рік тому

    Can there be a problem with broadheads, when you use left helical. I meen can you turn the broadhead from the arrow if the arrow turns left and the broadhead stops turning at impact (because of friction/contact/etc.)

  • @C.Adams82
    @C.Adams82 Рік тому

    I know this is an older video. For hunting we always trying to increase foc and mantain a fairly low arrow weight. The best arrow to have a high foc and low GPI is the victory rip xv extreme velocity. With my measurements and a 300 spine my foc is right at 20%. It's a victory arrow that I dont hear people talk about, the vap and the tko get all the attention but that rip xv is legit

  • @alexwright41489
    @alexwright41489 2 роки тому

    Tim, another great video 👍

    • @ElkShape
      @ElkShape  2 роки тому +1

      Dan deserves a lot of the credit for this one! Appreciate it G

  • @LutzWyatt
    @LutzWyatt Рік тому

    Is clocking due to the arrow itself or the spin direction of the bow string?

  • @Miketheman009
    @Miketheman009 2 роки тому

    I’m inspired, I ordered some tools to build my own arrows

  • @jaydensankey2301
    @jaydensankey2301 2 роки тому

    Good content yet again, you guys ever done any long range testing between the sports .006 and elites .001, with and without broadheads, im in Australia, sports are $150 a doz and the elites are $220 this is for the rip tko 250s

  • @Bowhunterohio
    @Bowhunterohio 2 роки тому +2

    I’ve been fletching my arrows to the left since Ive started fletching my own arrows. Every bow I’ve owned have always spun left. What I don’t get is how many people fletch to the right and even arrows that come fletched are to the right. Ive yet to see a bow shoot to the right even with custom strings.

  • @hrkjcl1
    @hrkjcl1 3 місяці тому

    I thought he made a video against bare shaft tuning? When shooting the bare shaft what was that for nocks?

  • @Miketheman009
    @Miketheman009 2 роки тому

    another question elk shape says that arrow collars like the iron will ones add length but they go right to the tip of the insert (Easton axis Hit insert) but for example, the gold tip TRAD inserts stick out further. Am I not understanding something, for it seems my arrows with the GT insert would be longer than my arrows, Easton axis 5mm hit insert with iron will collars are now or am I doing something wrong on my current arrows?

  • @HVAC1116
    @HVAC1116 3 місяці тому

    Scotch-brite takes the sticker right off of the Easton axis!

  • @Akpepper22
    @Akpepper22 10 місяців тому

    So you guys have a video on fletches?

  • @ProspectingLife
    @ProspectingLife 2 роки тому

    OMG this is going to become a rabbit hole. 😳

  • @dbuckner902010
    @dbuckner902010 2 роки тому

    I probably go overboard and I weigh every piece of my components so when I am done with my build they are +/- a few grains apart is that necessary or am I just doing to much work ?

  • @h-minus2212
    @h-minus2212 2 роки тому

    Excellent video. My brother has a great mind and would love to have all this equipment to make his arrows essentially without flaw. Can a person buy arrows without the company's logo on them? Just blank shafts? Thanks again

    • @afidbhawkins3173
      @afidbhawkins3173 2 роки тому +1

      Don't think so, but laquer will take it off

    • @brpnw4r94
      @brpnw4r94 2 роки тому +1

      @@afidbhawkins3173..
      Not lacquer, but a acetone (ketone) based solvent. I know what you meant to say though. Cheers.

  • @matthewmurray816
    @matthewmurray816 Рік тому

    What is the brand of arrow squaring tool?

  • @5jjt
    @5jjt 2 роки тому

    It would be interesting to see how the worst measured arrow paper tuned against the best, and how they hit the target differently.
    Or, did the .014" arrow make its way in and I didn't notice?

  • @Cparchery...
    @Cparchery... 2 роки тому +1

    With the gold tip inserts what size feild points do you use?

    • @BobBowers1967
      @BobBowers1967 2 роки тому

      Standard threads 5/16 I think

    • @Cparchery...
      @Cparchery... 2 роки тому

      @@BobBowers1967 ya I was wondering the out side diameter of the feald point cause that insert is smaller than a standard one

  • @bigjoe-pm2ql
    @bigjoe-pm2ql 2 роки тому

    What glue was that y’all was using on the inserts?

  • @rodrodriguez9915
    @rodrodriguez9915 2 роки тому

    You guys are awesome I like the longer videos great 👍 job

  • @jddpt3281
    @jddpt3281 2 роки тому

    Building same arrows this week. Any recommendations for favorite field points?

  • @SWINGERINTO
    @SWINGERINTO 2 роки тому

    This was very useful!!!

  • @jowhi9296
    @jowhi9296 2 роки тому

    When you guys are matching spine to bow weight and length do you generally just round up on spine if intend to run heavy tips? I often see charts for example 28" shaft, 70 bow, above 315 showing 350 but then right in middle of 300. Also when adding weight obviously it will reduce FPS so do you determine spine by expectations on reduced speed? Thanks so much guys

  • @timsizemore6793
    @timsizemore6793 2 роки тому

    Great video,i have been checking arrows and spine since i have been building arrows.Thats over 50 years,since the carbon arrows build and deaign came out,i have been useing most of your methods sincr th spine checking and they definitely worked. th
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  • @ethantaylor48
    @ethantaylor48 2 роки тому +1

    So if the shaft rotates left then helical to the left ?

  • @kphillips55
    @kphillips55 Рік тому

    What we’re the inserts he used? 1/4 out gold tip?

  • @drewanderson8588
    @drewanderson8588 2 роки тому

    When you’re trying to calculate your FOC, do you measure the length of the arrow carbon to carbon and subtract the length of the insert and nock that goes into it?

  • @thomothompson1344
    @thomothompson1344 2 роки тому

    Hey. What spine goldtip trad insert would you need to use for a 250spine TKO?
    For my drawlength and poundage I think I need a 250 spine.
    28.5”draw
    V3 31 75# mods( probably hotter as Mathews are)
    Any feedback would be awesome!
    Keep the videos coming.

  • @aaronshorter864
    @aaronshorter864 2 роки тому

    I spin several times over several different areas on the arrow. If one end is worse than other I’ll cut that end. If both are bad I’ll cut both sides.

  • @tspencer5481
    @tspencer5481 Рік тому

    Do these guys own a proshop? If so, where is it?