I said I wouldn't do this...
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- Опубліковано 21 чер 2022
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Setting foot in a Chivalry 2 duelyard despite my reluctance to take part in the competitive scene this time around. - Ігри
These fights are getting dangerously close to looking like fights
Yeah nothing screams "intense battle" like a sword moving 7km/h
*CC2 EAGER*
with the shoving, tackles knockdowns and jabs it’s definitely the closest for medieval combat game. for honor season 1 and 2 aswell but it quickly turned into mortal kombat with characters that have shadowsteps, poison daggers and i think they have a pirate now sigh
@@itchin4scratches I disagree. Hellish quart is so much more accurate, chiv and mordhau are super awkward compared to our sparring in HEMA
@@brenbail2000 no knockdowns in those games though, i like it when i get knocked to the ground from a tackle or shield bash. all medieval games lacking ground mechanics. looking like fights is a long way to go so anything that comes remotely close im very attracted to. fencing is a competition sport nothing like a fight, but yea hellish quart best fencing game ever made easily.
I love it when combat sounds like my kitchen utensils collapsing
I have to say I kinda love the over-the-top sounds
The swords clashing gave my ears orgasm
cool have been more spine chilling steel metal sounds but yep sounds like some pans
are u nerds really mad about the sound effects? lmfao
You mightve already figured this out before my comment but ill say it incase you havent.
After you hit someones parry, if you combo, you can basically instantly cancel the swing at any time with no delay into a parry or a dodge. The reason he knew to combo against you when you did the special is actually that he didn't, he knows you are being a bit slow and can safely combo and eat any stamina loss for canceling to parry. Against an aggressive player you could still do this but it would be a waste of stamina at the end of the day.
tldr: he can swing like an animal and react to anything you do as you do it, letting the swing fly to beat your slow option or canceling it to defend your fast one
ziggy coaching
thats so weird tho. maybe why i dont seem to understand initiative in this game.
@@Risk0s There is no initiative in this game, it's all about gambling and knowing how to mitigate the consequences
Fuck initiative, gamble kicks
The problem with the game is that there isn't any way to spam *COME HITHER!* to mentally attack your opponent and make him slip up, and if you emote or taunt you cannot do anything until that animation is over.
But isn't that, you know, good?
@@Skilow are you mentally insane? no ofc thats not good. the animations and voice lines are what make mordhau worth playing
@@Skilow no
@@Skilow You have no peasants, no heirlooms, no servants.
Simply laugh spam.
Stouty's lack of Weetabix consumption is the reason he is bad at comp. Prior to this I ate 3 bricks of Weetabix netting a 75% increase in skill
WeetabixEater69
weetabix goes hard
a clear lack of weetabix
Weetbix with choccy milk
@@kevlar3994 Alright, you can go away
Chiv 2 leans more towards the beginner-friendly and teamplay side of the spectrum, doesn't it?
Thankfully they have proper goals lined up, unlike some other developers...
2k avg player kek
i see my dumbass in the background at 8:37 just getting knocked over by the wooden spinning thing
Honestly good to see you having fun even if Chivalry 2 is more arcade-like.
At the highest level this game isn't about hitting your opponent. It's about running them out of stamina. At a certain level everyone is damn near unhittable. They can read kicks, feints, accels, drags, etc. Whoever runs out of stam first, loses.
1 correction, they don't read feints but if they fall for it they just feint-match to avoid taking damage
@@Stouty Exactly right. At the end of the day the name of the game is stamina management. I honestly stopped feinting nearly as much as I used to (looks like you've come to a similar conclusion). I now instead weave in special attacks to try to bleed their stamina faster, and use pause delays to get them to gamble. Mixed results, but trading overhead to alt overhead drags all day long gets boring when nobody ever really falls for it.
This is my number one gripe with the game, it just feel like you have to do some much work and swinging about just to get some damage. Makes it slow and monotonous after a while
but so is mordhau right? everything is readable at the highest level
@@Phanterus nobody can read every feint in mordhau and usually falling for a feint results in damage
At 3:05, you can see that the hit of the mace was nowhere near where the sword blocked it from. It really looks like the attack should've landed
yeah ive had those moments lots of times with my greatsword where you can cleary see the clipping
Mordhau for competitive multiplayer, chivalry 2 for casual / fun multiplayer, Bannerlord for single player
chivalry 1 for both
@@back5594 chiv 1 is only a unfair ballerina shitshow competetive game , not fun or casual or real competetive just tryhards abusing mechanisms
At the highest level, it really is an endurance battle and becomes more about mind games
Been like that since Chiv 1 days
Holy shit that dog eater dude is a two handed Miyamoto Musashi god damn
yeah he is
Fought the guy many times, strongest duelist I know.
There are obviously people that are 'better' at it than others but I wouldn't recommend anyone do competitive/competitive duels. It's just stamina warfare + counter simon says game for the most part. Perhaps weapon matchups as well.
chiv 1 vets stand in agreement
he said he wouldn't do this...
Not enough left overheads with warhammer
Stoutthew again outcompeting the meta by COUNTERING Counterers. Death to the overhead counter meta!
I really miss ducking under swings in this game. The hitboxes feel so janky sometimes its maddening
I mean you can duck still under swings but you have to do it while pressing A or D or S(Left, right and back ) but you are right it is janky and very relying on the ping too and timing it
I only reliably pull off ducking when there is a terrain difference, otherwise this game seems to favor spacing much more
it also comes down to people not aiming for the head at all
You can still do this, just crouch and look at the ground.
@@aughhaughhaughh there seems to be little incentive to aim for head. people just aim for center mass, or low/high to get around block. The only time I see people target head specifically is with pointy stab weapons who tend to stab spam. Otherwise its pretty wild, all over the place swings.
Love all the Chiv content, Stouty! I even got called your "secondary account" for saying a few good words about you in the Chiv discord, lmao. Haters gonna hate.
cheers
stouty complimenting himself on his alt lololollll
@@tamnickyle Rent free
How do I sign up for DOG EATER 69 coaching?
I'm happy OCE chiv 2 is alive again due to the steam release. However I find myself keep going back to mordhau, I'm lvl 207 tho so that could have something to do with it.
Nah man I just got the game a few days ago, been doing pretty good but really it just makes me wish Mordhau devs actually did something lol, imo the combat itself doesn’t compare
@@lucasriddle5538 I’ve played chiv for around 65 hours and I’m already getting bored of it. Fuck triternion
@@slammachine843 for real man, all those years following development only to go to waste. Honestly insulting
Fortinayti or la babaje?
Well, im here to answer a question, why stouty is soo good? That happens, because he shosed babaji, and not fortnitaiti and thats why hes so good att games
Sotrue!
The real question though: babaje or ikisbokisserisikis?
Well said
I pref halesteys, it's the far more lucrative option
balestayshonfaaaayyyff
why did you do this...you said you wouldn't...
4:47 Definitely stealing that overhead fient into crouch overhead tech for myself
My issue with the game right now is the turncap with overheads, stabs, and now specials. I'm a console player and I've heard its better on PC, but it just feels like my stabs and ohs are slow as molasses. It's so irritating countering somebody's slash and feinting for a oh to then miss because they're just circling around me slashing. Plus I can't change fov in 1st person and I despise 3rd lol.
Id love to see like a ‘arena’ mode in this game like the armored core games.
thank you stouty, as always, love ur content. always makes my days more enjoyable
you're welcome
@@Stouty love u stout
@@Stouty
The combat is so ugly. Mordhau dragging looked weird but the fights were infinitely more fluid and nice.
Agree, also in Mordhau the actual sword had to hit the enemy, in Chiv it feels a bit weird, it feels like the attack animation has to connect and not the sword itself
I thought this game looks better than mordhau on all aspects
feint into stab or riposte stab beats counterbots
and the optimal pubway to play is to use a polearm and do stab charge attacks and run away like youre playing curling or someshit
Man I would crumble after 1 counter and these guys are just doing 200 of them in a row
1 year update, I'm now the one doing 200 counters in a row and bullying 99% of the playerbase
@@NekousagiKorouhaha true, I remember watching these videos being amazed at this gameplay
brilliant sound design to grunt on feint, such a nice addition to the melee slasher genre, i hope we will see it in every single one from now on :)
It has been since Chiv 1, was in Mordhau as well just not very useful due to how fast the accels were
That axe throw at 0:55 was absolutely filthy 😭😭
How many mouse space have guys to make 360?
it seems that this game's "Fights that look like fights" is gonna be "Drags will be limited"
i sense an upcoming why Mordhau is better than Chiv II video
nah, always said Mordhau was better for high level combat but neither game cares much about that audience
The comp on this game sucks 😩😩😩
Hey bro you are a great warrior!!
Don’t you think this game looks clunky as hell? They literally brought back 360 swings from chiv
IMO it still looks miles better than Chiv 1 or Mordhau... And in any case you are never gonna see a game in this genre that looks like real swordfighting, it's simply not possible
He need that *bowl cut* again to be a good comp player
I hope they keep dodging but the counters should be a 100% commit thing like you said, otherwise why would you ever use normal block->riposte. Dodging is so useful for 1vX in 64 modes
That was a lot fun to watch ngl
1:11 most legendary chiv 2 fight iv'e seen
On a sad note, the Rhodok Bonk only works sometimes and not all the time.
"Divorce leads children to the worst places..."
The worst places:
Did anyone else go back to mordhau and kept holding parry by accident? Also same as many level 203 on mord so it’s hard break muscle memory I never played the original chiv
you couldnt hold block on chiv 1 either.
its weird to see how little kicks and jabs are used, im not a pro by any means and dont *really* know what the gameplan is, but i thought kicks and jabs would be a bigger part of it.
kicks only really catch noobs, jab is good after someone's taken damage
@@Stouty I've found that if my duels go on too long with someone I am more likely to kill them by abusing jabs than attacks. Worth it to use a fast 1h weapon and jabs for that reason but it makers countering a pain due to shorter window.
@@Stouty kicks are niche, in duels it’s very hard because people can solely focus on you and counter or turn away, jabs are where it’s at though
Somebody know the song at 1:50 sound familiar but i cannot remember
The held parry just makes the combat so dry imo, reading doesn't seem to exist. Am I wrong?
Well holding parry drains your stam fast af
I think it should be even quicker but its definitely punishing as it is
Held parry works fine in this game, the bigger problem IMO is how counters require no reading at all to be done, because you can just feint your counter to another one. Counters giving you your stamina back while also preventing you from getting hit makes every fight look like these ones. Super tedious battles of endurance. Also kicks are too slow to be useful against good player most of the time. Between infinite countering and shitty kicks, you can't really go for hard reads or anything, it's just like mordhau where the question is, "who will fuck up their stamina management first"
^ 100% agree with the above, but I'd also say that jabs (supposedly your tool for breaking these stalemates by interrupting attacks/combos) feel far too short-ranged and incredibly inconsistent.
In case you dont know; jabs essentially took the place of when you'd kick to interrupt an attack in Mordhau (as kicks do not interrupt in Chiv 2 and only break held blocks), but they just end up being super risky and only really getting you 10 damage at most against a good player. They also have very janky hitboxes. What's more, the recovery from a jab is super fast, too fast for a lot of weapons to get a swing in to punish. Not a worthy trade, seeing as they might just block and counter it or just move back like half a foot and render your jab utterly useless. But the worst factor is that you can't feint a counter into a jab, only a riposte or block. So they become EVEN MORE inefficient as you have to lose a huge chunk of stamina in order to pull one off, only to probably get 10 damage in IF your enemy falls for it.
I feel making jabs more useful could really reduce the length of these long stalemates seen in the current combat while retaining the overall feeling TB is clearly going for. When it works, this combat looks like a fight and is amazing. At high levels however, you get what you saw in the vid. Looks cooler and is less infuriating to come up against than Mord's weird wiggling imo, but tedious to play after a while.
Also holy shit but counter-feinting is incredibly annoying. Would be interesting to see how different the combat would be without it!
Tl;dr: Play team objective. Have fun. Tryharding can only lead to sadness.
@@bonehed1 Disagree on mordhau being a stamina game. If you know how to do mixups you can force people to read feints and drags/accels. Although in exchange drags and accels are dumb.
STOUTY YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T DO THIS!!!!!
Stouty you're good at Mordhau where you have to move your mouse fast and feint.
Chivalry 2 is completely different with phantoms, you won’t be particularly surprised there, you need to block correctly and follow the weapon by choosing the right non-standard directions of blows. Chambers are a stamina saver, but there is no point in constantly spamming them, dodging is an important detail.
really wish instead of "swing manipulation", trying to actually hit your target in the center of your swing (where your attack is strongest), would be way more interesting, which forces your opponent to step into or away from the strike.
Master of jank
This game is cool but man I miss Mordhau, this doesn’t feel as smooth and fast paced
At least the devs can work on this so it could get better
I love that witcher 1 soundtrack
It's actually sad to see and hear that Chivalry 2 has no future in the competitive scene. Those animations look fucking awful.
My takeaway from this video: Stouty can't get top tier at Chiv2 therefore none of us peasants should even try. Not sure this was the message you were trying to convey but that's what came across.
wait, how many hours do you think I have in chiv 2?
@@Stouty I assume not a substantial amount, especially compared to other youtubers/streamers. I don't think playtime is especially relevant though; I'd wager I've put a lot more hours into the game than you have (been playing consistantly since open beta) and yet I wouldn't consider myself as good as you. You're an incredibly skilled player in the genre, no arguments there, but I was surprised by some of the comments you made towards comp dueling and just felt this video came off a little salty.
@@kurai7497 I have like 60 hours, to suggest I couldn't get top tier is pretty laughable seeing as there's only like 100 comp players to begin with (that I'm already getting kills on). My record in chiv1 / mordhau is near unparalleled but I see no reason to waste more energy attempting to dominate a 3rd title with no comp potential (it doesn't even have passwords on tourney servers)
@@Stouty I'm not suggesting anything, you yourself said not to bother trying to get good and just stick to having fun in TO matches; I just personally felt like you were projecting a message that you perhaps didn't mean to. Like I said, I know you to be an extremely skilled player in the genre and I'm very aware of your career in other titles. Chiv2 is messy as hell, you're right to point out the state of the servers, but to declare the game has no comp potential before it's even had a chance to get off the ground seems a little unfair. If it's something you don't want to invest your time in then that's your perogative but it doesn't therefore mean that nobody else should. Keep having fun in TO, maybe I'll see you on the battlefield and you can smack me about.
@@kurai7497 Well you said "I can't" get top tier when chances are I most certainly could were I willing to put the time in. As someone that is not only experienced in the melee genre but also with Torn Banner, this warning I'm giving to the comp potential will age extremely well, I have no doubt.
Things that are currently missing: private servers, passworded servers, a game mode, well structured mechanics that operate at all levels of play, ranked with mmr, leaderboards (the list goes on)
what is the music @ 2:30? sounds so familiar and yet i still cant place it
witcher 1 ost
@@Stouty ah, thanks broski
This genre of games has the saltiest communities, checks out with how competitive they are though
Will contingent have a competitive type combat?
A good game operates well no matter the skill of the players, like tennis
those the witcher 1 soundtracks 😊
I'm honestly convinced that some people increased the sensitivity of their turn and look speed because I once caught a dude off guard in a free-for-all no honor game who was busy fighting someone else *and the dude turned around as if he knew I was coming even when I was sneaking my way to them without making any noise whatsoever.*
Maybe he had shadows on
third person also helps.
doug. doug.
Still a better experience than mordhau imo
this literally looks like star wars at this point...
8:53 AHAHAH NO WAY YOU SAID THAT WHEN YOU PICKED UP THE CHAIR
ttd
none of these tactics would work in the 32v32 battles
2:21 WTF LMAO how did h e do that?
i don't understand how u can land hits if you can hold block until you have no stam unlike mordhau
it's a bit more complicated than that ua-cam.com/video/hgEbNfBqxEc/v-deo.html
love the witcher 1 music
after so many hours on mord i feel like ill never master these mechs lol
stab counter and feint back to stab
its literally warband
When are we gonna have some more info on contingent?
No date to give I'm afraid
Oh man you still look so green at this haha love you stouty keep practicing! We should run one sometime I’ll teach you how to 360 in 1st person :)
His opinion is ball cheese
The parry hitbox too big imo
What is he doing in the fight at 5:08 it looks like an overhead into overhead and his sword just stops mid air, i see ppl do that all the time and i have no idea how
Overheard -> alt overhead. Bind them both.
@@dimoronen well im on ps5 so idk what the equivalent is
@@diceyy9798 Oh, yeah that could be problematic. I assume there is a button bound to "alt attack"?
@@diceyy9798 on console as well, only way I’ve done it is overhead, attack cancel, overheead
Stouty this is my first comment on your channel you should feel honored
Mordhau moment...
Man you gotta play 3rd to spin and turn fasr
MORE DRAGS KICKS AND JABS! You wont get anywhere trying to play the stamina game.
This just makes me wanna play mordhau more... too bad its dead
when will you post an update on your new game?
when there's gameplay ready to show I'll be non-stop talking about it
@@Stouty can’t wait :)
What game is that? :o
@@Sulamanjansulttaani contingentgame.com/faq/
Just hit the really good players with the old spam attack meta. Just swing and eat a hit and keep swinging then change it to a morph drag and then W haha this will only catch them once tho
maybe its not perfect... but its waaay better than mordhau drag&animation abuse nosense!
i feel it just need more people get used to it... as tourney proved that there can be consistent winners that master this combat system
plenty of dragging and anim abuse in this game - dragging can be used to throw off counter timings and drain the stamina of the held block
@@Stouty yeah... i see its a problem... but still less dramatic than mordhau ! anyway i menage it with distancing and dodges... if you value the full options ... there s always a way to counter any abuse!
this looks so fucking bad compared to mordhau
Have you heard of a game called Mordhau?
Take out hold parry, its so dumb.
Man I wish we could replace the mord devs with the chiv 2 devs. I wonder if the melee genre will ever find the right balance between easy to pick up and hard to master. Mord left me wanting more but Ig that's too much to ask for.
Mord devs seemed competent at release too, after a few updates they went full dogshit though.
I'm glad they appeal to casuals. Duels are fun as fuck for a mid level player
The most frustrating thing is that I can't even tell is Dog best dueler or not, where the fuck is this "skill ceiling" in Chiv 2. I wanted to reach it at first or be near it cuz game was very kind to noobs, but the more I played duels the further this ceiling seemed to be. I git gut, think I am on honorable level in 2handed weapon fight and then some guy takes rapier or damn spear and that's it "5/0 gotta go"
Maybe the way to win is to be "dumb and happy" with funny TO maps and not thinking about "personal skill" at all (not to mention that I can't equal playing Chiv to a work day and play 8 hours daily)
I heard he's like top 10
@Chieftain Rapier is annoying as fuck but spear is pretty shit tbh. Just counter it a few times, if they fuck up their counters just a few times you can burn their stam.
Homer is the best eu duelist. He's a lot better than anybody else.
@@Dobyvatel2 If we were to take the difference in skill between me and stouty, that would be the same difference in skill between me and homer. I'm probably somewhere in the Top 30 atm
i feel like ill hate this game if i tried it. holding block and the level of endurance through out the whole fight just seem frustrating. why cant a combat game make it so you hold right click and can physically raise a sword in the direction you look? not an animation but as a real physical thing that the opponents sword can hit... idk just sounds like a cool idea for a fighting game .
I had a sword as a child that played recorded sword swing sounds back in 2004 that sounded better than this.
4:25 LMAO
then why did you do it..........
360 like chiv 1 haha
This game looks so much better than Mordhau. Kinda I could play it…
I am praying peeing and pooping for
mordhau patchie soon so I don't have to see chiv 2 in my recommended. I burned out after 300 hours personally
mordhau patch will be 1 map not really worth looking forward to
@@Stouty and more cosmetics!!1!
@@Stouty Im just hoping for the scimitar nerf + possibly woman moment
@@Remixersoloman paid dlc cosmetics*
@@Stouty woman moment has arrived get farmed stoutt now weddings don't have to be gay
I would play a good amount of Mordhau, but I never got that good at duels or 1vx. Right out of the gates with Chiv 2 I find myself running alone into enemy lines. Knowing that I'll at least get one and I might get all 5 of them.
the sound design is so embarrassing lmfao. why are we fighting with pots and pans