So, Cartwright went into Federation Witness Protection, opened a restaurant, and fathered the Bajoran emissary. I feel a little bit sad for Sati. Seems like dementia is developing and you combine that with zealotry, and you end up with an English rose ambassador with a passion for high collars.
@Hasbro83 All but Sati. Even if she was willing to work with them for the Greater good, Section 31 would be smart enough to realize her singleminded lawfulness is a ticking time bomb for them.
TNG definitely had a thing for corrupt admirals. Most of the rest of Star Trek didn’t have these “Badmirals” in such high concentrations, with Cartwright probably being the worst offender. On the opposite end of things, Admiral Ross from DS-9 is IMO one of the best examples of a Starfleet Admiral, and should be held up as an example of what they should be. Despite his serving as an Admiral, Kirk however never seemed suited to the role, and is best held up as a shining example of a Captain.
Awesome video as always. I think what drives these admirals off the band wagon is fear. Fear drives people to see demons where none exist; therefore, causes their own demise. This is the reason why I never want to be a manager/supervisor of some sort. The only way I would consider that role unless the command structure breaks down and people aren't able to cope with crisis.
Infamous Admirals: every admiral and commodore in TOS funny how Picard gives her credit for discovering the conspiracy, sure she might have been doing her own investigation but clearly it was Captain Walker, Scott, Rixx, and the the Enterprise staff that were critical in that situation.
You said "a small minority" after exposing only the tip of the iceberg. What about Admiral Leyton? Admiral Necheyev? Commodore Decker? Admiral Ross? Admiral Cornwell? Admiral Marcus from the Kelvin Timeline? Even Kirk and Janeway flew off the handle as admirals, though the latter negated her own timeline. Wait, I see there's a Part 2.
Aww man. I thought this was 11 Infamous Admirals in Star Trek! I always though it was interesting that in Start Trek the Admirals are usually portrayed as out of tough bureaucrats that bark orders to "lowly" Captains. I was hoping that you would profile Adm. Alynna Nechayev. She's my favorite hard-ass!
Picard would have more company for Earl Gray Tea, but the Maquis would always escape their clutches! However, there are other promising career opportunities on the Dark Side of Starfleet: Section 31, evicting indigenous lifeforms to access planetary resources, the Lt. Cmdr. Remmick fanclub...
it seems the dividing principle between good and bad officers is the good ones see it as a job or calling, and the bad ones see it as a reward for all of their hard work.
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Indeed, though that would mainly be Decker, other commodores seemed rather good and Decker did have good reason for going off the rails. Still its interesting that Trek changed from Commodore to Admiral just like the real navy in the US, but that was probably thanks to Roddenberry.
@@themadoneplays7842 I've never understood having two rear admiral ranks like the US does, in the UK all our rear admirals are the US upper half equivalent and Commodores rank in between them and Captains
I’d like to see a ranking of Starfleet Admiralty in terms of competence. They’re so often portrayed as out of touch, antagonists for antagonism sake, or just obviously wrong. Very few strong recurring Admirals throughout Trek. Also, don’t forget Admiral Kennelly and the Bajoran incident in Ensign Ro.
But that in itself is a form pf power abuse... She missed the fame and the power she once had for whatever reason and thus did whatever she could to get it back... In fact the idea of getting power back made her COMPLETELY mentally unstable...
I think the interesting thing about most bad admirals is that, unlike Norah Satie, while some were influenced by the need for power, you had those who acted out of misguidedness, like Commodore Decker hijacking the Enterprise to attack the planet eater or Admiral Leyton's attempted coup during the Dominion War.
I think Decker acted more out of guilt over the loss of his crew and I think Leighton was purely a power thing clouded in the whole im trying to save Earth package...
see I would've assumed Admiral Hayes was killed in the First Contact Borg battle when Riker said the admiral's ship has been destroyed but then he turns up in Voyager so I guess he survived
Another awesome episode! It must be part of the job to become corrupt, or as an admiral to do things for the greater good of Star Fleet and the Federation one must do things that are not in keeping with Star Fleet principles. Irony. I realize that you only deal with "cannon", books are not part of the cannon (good and bad). In the books Admiral Leonard James Akaar is the CnC. As much as he is doing in all the books it wouldn't be surprising if he was also corrupt. In the books Admiral Akaar promoted Riker, Janeway,Jellico,Ross,Desoto Shelby and a few others to the rank of admiral. Looks like he building a core of fleet officers loyal to him. In the books Admiral Akaar is just an utter BADASS ADMIRAL! He is the "POWER" in Star Fleet! Hey Happy Easter Y'all !!!!!
A tip for any Captains who may be watching some UA-cam: Don't accept a promotion. You will begin to make make bad decisions and have an inexplicable urge to break laws. If Ghandi were promoted to Admiral he would all of a sudden want to build a Hydrogen bomb and drop it on a viliage of fun-loving puppies.
Indeed Ive always wondered that... I think in the Enterprise finally it would have been a better angle to explore THAT aspect of the episode rather then Riker trying to make a decision...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios do you have any proof he was working for S31? Every Officer in Starfleet history with odd actions do not work for S31. Admirals do a lot of shit on their own without the help of S31.
@@attiepollard7847 Uhm not sure why you tagged me in this... First I didnt say he was merely Ive always wondered and second gave a suggestion how Ents finale could have been better... So please explain!
The first name that came to mind (after Janeway) was Leyton. Sure he had the best intentions in mind but he still tried to pretty much take over the federation with himself in control.
That intro song that says created by Siren, is there more info is it part of a song? or was it just a small lick created for this channel? Who is siren where can you hear more of this particular persons music? really love that intro its enchanting please tell me more so i may listen to more of it. Oh and cool vid about Admirals love trek "live long and prosper"
Siren created the title intro, not the song itself... The Song itself comes from UA-cam Royalty free music library though I dont know the title off the top of my head!
Satie is another legendary Admiral that is shown unlike Nogura. As glamorous Jean Simmons is and a legendary actress she was. She never wore a Starfleet Uniform. It is a reminiscent of Blake’s 7 where Servalan Supreme Commander never wore a Federation Uniform and only wore dresses.
Then you would have tons of bad captains then. It seems like these high ranking people need to have a brain scan or something to detect them becoming evil.
This is what happens when you get rid of intermediate higher ranks like Fleet Captain & Commodore. Although... quite a few TOS examples of those ranks are just as reckless as spin-off Admirals?
TriAngulum Audio Studios I’m so shallow tho lol 😂 I don’t like the Prometheus bridge and I think the sovereign is too cluttered and I detest the galaxy glass early TNG era I like the defiant or the intrepid bridge so intrepid bridge on the Prometheus But you can get rid of that snippy EMH Mark 2
Admiral Cartwright, wow his role in ST VI was a literal coinage of the hypocritical future (He forgot or maybe did not know how his race was treated hundreds of years before) "klingons would become the alien trash of the galaxy" REALLY.
What about admiral Kirk? He never followed regulations when he was told he wasnt following them and basically allowed the Reliant the opening needed to near cripple the Enterprise lose of crew. Then he steals a federation Starship. Complicant in the assault of federation officers and the sabotage of the Excelsior.
The only admiral to survive entire admiral career was James T Kirk. So, how do you make sure problems like these do not appear again? Demote them to captains
TriAngulum Audio Studios True，But since he was not charged because of corrupted misconducts like Admiral Sati here，it‘s more about the reputation. Like those agents investigating Sisko's trip back to TOS era had said“ I would have done the same”. I do not believe Sati or any other admirals you mentioned here would be treated the same，except Admiral janeway
chris sonofpear1 I should have add the word“reputation”，but physically yes，you are right. But Nacheyev and ross already had their reputations somewhat painted dirts. Kirk was doubted for his out of line actions，but in the end，he did not do them for questionable goals. However，these two were just like admiral Dougherty，the only difference is that they were not stretched to death like he was.
Let's not forget about the man that used a temporary emergency to wrestle away the captaincy of Enterprise. This infamous admiral is none other than, James Tiberius Kirk. Kirk's master plan was to keep moving the ship in a straight line course towards the anomaly, later to be known as V'Ger. The disruption of ship activities possibly led to an undiagnosed engine imbalance which put Enterprise dangerously close to an asteroid collision inside a wormhole. Kirk's expertise would gradually (very gradually) guide Enterprise deep enough into V'Ger's area of influence to establish contact. For such a simplistic mission, did they really need someone with years of experience dealing with unknown? There was no decision/action by Admiral Kirk that could not have foreseeably been made by Captain Decker as well. Admiral Kirk did not contribute enough to the success of the mission to warrant him ever taking command. How could such an unwarranted action ever have been sanctioned? One can only guess that Kirk leveraged a personal relationship with another admiral's daughter. That seems like the "novel" approach.
I don't know that I'd put Ross in the same boat as a majority of the other ones shown. Ross was solid. He did what he thought was absolutely necessary to preserve the Federation, a theme which came up repeatedly in DS9. The ends don't justify the means, but sometimes they have to.
Any admiral that ignores the principles and morals of the federation is corrupt, it is the very definition of it actually... So he wasnt solid at all... A Solid admiral doesnt have to do something illegal to get the job done...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Who decides what is legal and not legal? And can that actually be wrong? I would say that not everything is so black and white.
@@JustinStrife Im sorry but that is a silly question, The legal system Starfleet has in place decides... Hence why when an officer breaks the law he get court martialed... And the law is quite black and white ESPECIALLY in this instance... Conspiracy and treason on the top of that list among others... So not, not gray and he's not solid!
@@JustinStrife Yeah whats your point? BUT, when the law was put in place abolishing slavery people who broke that law were placed under arrested and tried... The fact is what he did WAS illegal, the laws were already in place! And I can assure you Treason will never be a law that will be abolished!
All Starfleet Admirals always seem to have problems and with agendas and dealing with issues that they can't solve, he or she always have their own agendas to satisfy their belief that their doing what's doing is right for the Federation. But they are wrong.
Well Janeway disobeyed Regs in order to further her own agenda, altering the entire timeline, and Ross worked with section 31... We dont know enough about Hayes OR Paris to really make a judgement there!
I would argue that the cloaking device being illegal is subjective. If he had been on DS9, he might be considered a hero , and a genius. Imagine the Defiant with a cloaking device approved by the Romulans , and also able to phase through walls. It is like turning on your transporter unto your entire ship . Making it so materials can pass through solid matter. Oh Lord I read too much sci fi .
Great vid, I love you channel, keep up the good work! ;)
Thank you so much and ill try :)
UUUUUNLLIMIIIIITEEDD POOWWAAAAA!!!!!! Attributed to Starfleet Admiral Sheev Palpatine.
So, Cartwright went into Federation Witness Protection, opened a restaurant, and fathered the Bajoran emissary.
I feel a little bit sad for
Sati. Seems like dementia is developing and you combine that with zealotry, and you end up with an English rose ambassador with a passion for high collars.
Well they say everyone has a double somewhere :P
Wow! I’m completely impressed with your research! I never connected the Admiral Sati to all you showed here. Excellent work!
Thank you so much :) It's a LOT of work to put these videos together :)
Only 9? Heck Kirk probably broke the prime directive 9 times a day.
Surprised the hell outta me :P
I wonder how many yeomen or ensigns Kirk violated?
9?????
"A bad movie with Admiral Janeway? Oh, Rick Berman, you, you didn't need to get me anything for my birthday!" - SF Debris
I think Jean Simmons is a fantastic actress. Her portrayal as the Admiral was incredible.
Indeed she is, there is something amazing about her voice as well...
the way the admiral died in Insurrection was a bit of a stretch
yuk yuk yuk
Such a card :P
I thought he died while trying to be flexible.
When it comes to the crunch for the admiral in Into the Darkness, an escape plan would have been helpful
@@texasabbott yes. He suffered a crushing defeat
One of the issues is that Starfleet's best officers rise to the rank of Captain, and then often refuse to rise any higher.
Ah! I was waiting for Admiral Janeway to pop up in this - not disappointed!
LOL you're welcome :)
I still think it would have been better with Admiral Sisko instead, but then they'd have had to retcon the end of DS9
Eh, just have The Sisko return from the Celestial temple.
@Hasbro83 All but Sati. Even if she was willing to work with them for the Greater good, Section 31 would be smart enough to realize her singleminded lawfulness is a ticking time bomb for them.
TNG definitely had a thing for corrupt admirals. Most of the rest of Star Trek didn’t have these “Badmirals” in such high concentrations, with Cartwright probably being the worst offender. On the opposite end of things, Admiral Ross from DS-9 is IMO one of the best examples of a Starfleet Admiral, and should be held up as an example of what they should be. Despite his serving as an Admiral, Kirk however never seemed suited to the role, and is best held up as a shining example of a Captain.
TNG did seem a little crazy when it came to, as you say, "badmirals" :P
Ross from DS9 is my favorite. A flag officer who cares about the people under his command.
but ds9 had the worst admirals by all measures. for his name but he tried a coup
I love how they weaved Admiral Satie into the greater narrative of the show with just a handful of lines.
It is an excellent episode!
Admiral Dougherty's play was alarming in Insurrection! Loved it.
Agreed!
You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villian
Makes for great drama! :P
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We'll call that The Red Shirt Reality.
Awesome video as always. I think what drives these admirals off the band wagon is fear. Fear drives people to see demons where none exist; therefore, causes their own demise. This is the reason why I never want to be a manager/supervisor of some sort. The only way I would consider that role unless the command structure breaks down and people aren't able to cope with crisis.
Thank you so much!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios anytime
I think this channel has to be my favourite by far regarding everything Trek! Great commentary, great production value. Keep up the great work! 🤘😎
Thank you so much for all the support! :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Any time! I love all of your videos, and eagerly await for the next.
I’m shocked Admiral Leyton wasn’t mentioned, but I guess that warrants it’s own video ;)
There are a LOT more infamous admirals, I may do a 2nd video...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Please!
Put Admiral Dougherty and Admiral Marcus on a side-by-side video clip!
Infamous Admirals: every admiral and commodore in TOS
funny how Picard gives her credit for discovering the conspiracy, sure she might have been doing her own investigation but clearly it was Captain Walker, Scott, Rixx, and the the Enterprise staff that were critical in that situation.
Well since he said it, it IS canon... So we dont know how she was involved but it's quite possible she initially turned Walker on to the idea...
You said "a small minority" after exposing only the tip of the iceberg. What about Admiral Leyton? Admiral Necheyev? Commodore Decker? Admiral Ross? Admiral Cornwell? Admiral Marcus from the Kelvin Timeline? Even Kirk and Janeway flew off the handle as admirals, though the latter negated her own timeline.
Wait, I see there's a Part 2.
LOL indeed there is :P
Aww man. I thought this was 11 Infamous Admirals in Star Trek! I always though it was interesting that in Start Trek the Admirals are usually portrayed as out of tough bureaucrats that bark orders to "lowly" Captains. I was hoping that you would profile Adm. Alynna Nechayev. She's my favorite hard-ass!
LOl Sorry, though this Sats video is More Infamous Admirals... Though Nechayev is not an Infamous Admiral, she never broke the law...
I wondered how many captains and admirals in the Imperial navy wanted to join Starfleet?🤔
Picard would have more company for Earl Gray Tea, but the Maquis would always escape their clutches! However, there are other promising career opportunities on the Dark Side of Starfleet: Section 31, evicting indigenous lifeforms to access planetary resources, the Lt. Cmdr. Remmick fanclub...
Is that Adm. Cartwright or Cpt Benjamin Sisko's father? LOL
it seems the dividing principle between good and bad officers is the good ones see it as a job or calling, and the bad ones see it as a reward for all of their hard work.
Perhaps you should follow this up with crazed Commodores as there were plenty of those in the original series:-)
Great idea, ill add it to the list!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Indeed, though that would mainly be Decker, other commodores seemed rather good and Decker did have good reason for going off the rails.
Still its interesting that Trek changed from Commodore to Admiral just like the real navy in the US, but that was probably thanks to Roddenberry.
@@themadoneplays7842 I've never understood having two rear admiral ranks like the US does, in the UK all our rear admirals are the US upper half equivalent and Commodores rank in between them and Captains
Starfleet Commodore is the rank of "Cray....zeee"
@@cmecoo3109 It's probably the same reason we have Brigadier Generals while you have Brigadiers; in other words just to be different
I love this topic in trek.
Me too... Its odd how many Admirals are evil though...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios pretty sure we saw Disco Pike as one of the few noble and honest
I’d like to see a ranking of Starfleet Admiralty in terms of competence. They’re so often portrayed as out of touch, antagonists for antagonism sake, or just obviously wrong. Very few strong recurring Admirals throughout Trek.
Also, don’t forget Admiral Kennelly and the Bajoran incident in Ensign Ro.
There are actually a lot more corrupt Admirals so I may do a Part 2!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Good idea. Do a part two of corrupt, one on the stupid admirals, and one on the not stupid admirals.
Yeah I didnt realize the options for me this video opened up til I sat back and watched the edited product!
"Drumhead" was a really good eps. And Star Trek has done a really good job at showing how having power can corrupt anyone.
Indeed, I think it's a fantastic episode with a fantastic message!
But that in itself is a form pf power abuse... She missed the fame and the power she once had for whatever reason and thus did whatever she could to get it back... In fact the idea of getting power back made her COMPLETELY mentally unstable...
I think the interesting thing about most bad admirals is that, unlike Norah Satie, while some were influenced by the need for power, you had those who acted out of misguidedness, like Commodore Decker hijacking the Enterprise to attack the planet eater or Admiral Leyton's attempted coup during the Dominion War.
I think Decker acted more out of guilt over the loss of his crew and I think Leighton was purely a power thing clouded in the whole im trying to save Earth package...
Those are very good points.
Thank you! Though it's just my opinion...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I think Leighton actually meant well, at least in part, but got onto a power trip quickly
It's funny in the TOS it always seemed to be other ship captains that lost it.
I know right? It seems I have a few other videos to do :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios A crazy captain video would be awesome.
Well it's now on my to do list!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios looking forward to it
Jean Simmons is sooo good in this episode.
Indeed she is!
Love your Content 🤗
Thank you so much!
Even back then Star Trek knows the danger of a witch-hunt.
Indeed a VERY socially relevant episode even today!
I believe that Social Media in right hands can be used for good, but unfortunately too many "wrong hands" have it too...
see I would've assumed Admiral Hayes was killed in the First Contact Borg battle when Riker said the admiral's ship has been destroyed but then he turns up in Voyager so I guess he survived
Must have made it to an escape pod!
@@chrissonofpear1384 Admiral Windbag according to Janeway
Admiral Patrick was probably the most sane Admiral in Starfleet history. Any chance of a video on him, or is that a stupid question ;)
LOL Ill add it to the list for you :)
Another awesome episode! It must be part of the job to become corrupt, or as an admiral to do things for the greater good of Star Fleet and the Federation one must do things that are not in keeping with Star Fleet principles. Irony. I realize that you only deal with "cannon", books are not part of the cannon (good and bad). In the books Admiral Leonard James Akaar is the CnC. As much as he is doing in all the books it wouldn't be surprising if he was also corrupt. In the books Admiral Akaar promoted Riker, Janeway,Jellico,Ross,Desoto Shelby and a few others to the rank of admiral. Looks like he building a core of fleet officers loyal to him. In the books Admiral Akaar is just an utter BADASS ADMIRAL! He is the "POWER" in Star Fleet! Hey Happy Easter Y'all !!!!!
Thank you so much, I actually really loved doing this topic!
Admiral Satie is a great example of the old Axiom that says Heroes Die Young or they live long enough to become the villain.
A tip for any Captains who may be watching some UA-cam: Don't accept a promotion. You will begin to make make bad decisions and have an inexplicable urge to break laws.
If Ghandi were promoted to Admiral he would all of a sudden want to build a Hydrogen bomb and drop it on a viliage of fun-loving puppies.
Oh Oh, too late :P
Admiral Prestmen was obvious S-31 it would be logical given a phase cloak his deadication to the federation
Indeed Ive always wondered that... I think in the Enterprise finally it would have been a better angle to explore THAT aspect of the episode rather then Riker trying to make a decision...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios do you have any proof he was working for S31? Every Officer in Starfleet history with odd actions do not work for S31. Admirals do a lot of shit on their own without the help of S31.
@@attiepollard7847 Uhm not sure why you tagged me in this... First I didnt say he was merely Ive always wondered and second gave a suggestion how Ents finale could have been better... So please explain!
Sorry I was tagging s miller
@@attiepollard7847 Ahhh ok :) Got it!
The first name that came to mind (after Janeway) was Leyton. Sure he had the best intentions in mind but he still tried to pretty much take over the federation with himself in control.
Admiral Saties, bringing up painful memories for Captain Picards encounter with the Borg that is a low blow for her. Which ends her.
That intro song that says created by Siren, is there more info is it part of a song? or was it just a small lick created for this channel? Who is siren where can you hear more of this particular persons music? really love that intro its enchanting please tell me more so i may listen to more of it. Oh and cool vid about Admirals love trek "live long and prosper"
Siren created the title intro, not the song itself... The Song itself comes from UA-cam Royalty free music library though I dont know the title off the top of my head!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios THanks for the reply if you could locate the name id be super chuffed to bits. Thanks again.
I will do my best and ask Siren when they return from Vacation! No promises though :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Again thanks
I was surprised that Admiral Leyton wasn't given a mention considering he attempted a coup on Earth.
Uhm there's a part 2...
Satie is another legendary Admiral that is shown unlike Nogura.
As glamorous Jean Simmons is and a legendary actress she was. She never wore a Starfleet Uniform.
It is a reminiscent of Blake’s 7 where Servalan Supreme Commander never wore a Federation Uniform and only wore dresses.
Huh, Satee is the embodiment of Twitter.
Hey tri where did you or siren find that intro song? The guitar and piano are very pretty. I have a feeling it's a free song but worth a shot
I dont remember the title off the top of my head but it's from UA-cams royalty free music library!
What about admiral Kirk who thought being admiral was boring? He once said to Picard: ''Dont let them promote you!''
What about him? He wasnt infamous in the slightest!
In Shatner EU, admiral Harriman (?) Tries to steal the Chal'chaj Qmey technology.
Can you do a video on the Andoeian race please
It's on my to do list :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios ok i know all about there race like its no joke
Starfleet should just stop promoting people to Admiral.
Problem solved!
LOL then the system falls a part! :P
Then you would have tons of bad captains then. It seems like these high ranking people need to have a brain scan or something to detect them becoming evil.
8:00 hey you can do that thing with your eyes. Want to be a Starfleet Admiral on TV?
This is what happens when you get rid of intermediate higher ranks like Fleet Captain & Commodore. Although... quite a few TOS examples of those ranks are just as reckless as spin-off Admirals?
Admirals get to pick their owns ships Prometheus class for me
It would be Sovereign for me!
Marcus W I’d just get the biggest warship possible
TriAngulum Audio Studios I never liked the big big ships I like the mid size ones maybe an intrepid refit the one with the updated necells
For me it's go big or go home ;) :P
TriAngulum Audio Studios I’m so shallow tho lol 😂 I don’t like the Prometheus bridge and I think the sovereign is too cluttered and I detest the galaxy glass early TNG era I like the defiant or the intrepid bridge so intrepid bridge on the Prometheus
But you can get rid of that snippy EMH Mark 2
OMG! Admiral Satie had TDS! Or, PDS.
The biggest scandal is the fact that Picard is not a full admiral by now.
He didnt want to be an Admiral, he tells Kirk as much in Generations...
I would say Admiral Janeway but she altered the timeline
Deconstruction of Admiral Janeway would require her own video :P Maybe 2 or 3!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I'd look forward to seeing those. Do you have any planned?
Actually its on my to do list!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios oh cool
Janeway did nothing wrong
What about Admiral Cornwell in Discovery? Where does she fall?
She is NOT an infamous Admiral by any stretch... She has not broken the law or abused her power!
Admiral Cartwright, wow his role in ST VI was a literal coinage of the hypocritical future (He forgot or maybe did not know how his race was treated hundreds of years before) "klingons would become the alien trash of the galaxy" REALLY.
Picard; Screw The Prime Directive!
What about admiral Kirk? He never followed regulations when he was told he wasnt following them and basically allowed the Reliant the opening needed to near cripple the Enterprise lose of crew. Then he steals a federation Starship. Complicant in the assault of federation officers and the sabotage of the Excelsior.
History did not judge him to be infamous, though he deserves his own video ;) Let the public decide :P
The only admiral to survive entire admiral career was James T Kirk. So, how do you make sure problems like these do not appear again? Demote them to captains
That's not really true though... He was demoted for stealing the Enterprise, thus he didnt survive an admiral career...
TriAngulum Audio Studios True，But since he was not charged because of corrupted misconducts like Admiral Sati here，it‘s more about the reputation. Like those agents investigating Sisko's trip back to TOS era had said“ I would have done the same”. I do not believe Sati or any other admirals you mentioned here would be treated the same，except Admiral janeway
chris sonofpear1 I should have add the word“reputation”，but physically yes，you are right. But Nacheyev and ross already had their reputations somewhat painted dirts. Kirk was doubted for his out of line actions，but in the end，he did not do them for questionable goals. However，these two were just like admiral Dougherty，the only difference is that they were not stretched to death like he was.
What about in Star Trek Online when YOU reach the rank of Admiral? What then? do you become corrupt?
Well STO isnt canon, so nothing happens :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Good point, thanks for that, also, do you play STO?
Indeed I do... Was part of the original Beta Test actually :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios whoa, okay so you've been playing since the beginning, so you must have a ton of ships, what's your favourite?
Right now it's the Crossfield Class... But I have so many... you?
What about the admiral who's interference lead to Lal's death?
Well as the video says it's only a few Admirals, there are a ton more!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios troo. That guy was a D tho! Great vid, I don't want to infer it wasn't.
Well I may do another video like this as I only scratched the surface really!
Let's not forget about the man that used a temporary emergency to wrestle away the captaincy of Enterprise. This infamous admiral is none other than, James Tiberius Kirk.
Kirk's master plan was to keep moving the ship in a straight line course towards the anomaly, later to be known as V'Ger. The disruption of ship activities possibly led to an undiagnosed engine imbalance which put Enterprise dangerously close to an asteroid collision inside a wormhole. Kirk's expertise would gradually (very gradually) guide Enterprise deep enough into V'Ger's area of influence to establish contact.
For such a simplistic mission, did they really need someone with years of experience dealing with unknown? There was no decision/action by Admiral Kirk that could not have foreseeably been made by Captain Decker as well. Admiral Kirk did not contribute enough to the success of the mission to warrant him ever taking command. How could such an unwarranted action ever have been sanctioned? One can only guess that Kirk leveraged a personal relationship with another admiral's daughter. That seems like the "novel" approach.
Kirk is not infamous by ANY stretch of the imagination... He didnt do anything illegal to gain power...
Good thing this kind of thing doesn't happen in real life.
First
Second actually, but a good try :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios what!!!! YT was lying to me. 😭
But thank you!
I don't know that I'd put Ross in the same boat as a majority of the other ones shown. Ross was solid. He did what he thought was absolutely necessary to preserve the Federation, a theme which came up repeatedly in DS9. The ends don't justify the means, but sometimes they have to.
Any admiral that ignores the principles and morals of the federation is corrupt, it is the very definition of it actually... So he wasnt solid at all... A Solid admiral doesnt have to do something illegal to get the job done...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Who decides what is legal and not legal? And can that actually be wrong? I would say that not everything is so black and white.
@@JustinStrife Im sorry but that is a silly question, The legal system Starfleet has in place decides... Hence why when an officer breaks the law he get court martialed... And the law is quite black and white ESPECIALLY in this instance... Conspiracy and treason on the top of that list among others... So not, not gray and he's not solid!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Slavery around the world was legal at one time too. What's sillier is to believe blindly in any organization.
@@JustinStrife Yeah whats your point? BUT, when the law was put in place abolishing slavery people who broke that law were placed under arrested and tried... The fact is what he did WAS illegal, the laws were already in place! And I can assure you Treason will never be a law that will be abolished!
All Starfleet Admirals always seem to have problems and with agendas and dealing with issues that they can't solve, he or she always have their own agendas to satisfy their belief that their doing what's doing is right for the Federation. But they are wrong.
And the federation became weaker for it
tea earl grey hot...
Of course there is the exception of Admirals Janeway, Ross, Hayes and Paris.
Well Janeway disobeyed Regs in order to further her own agenda, altering the entire timeline, and Ross worked with section 31... We dont know enough about Hayes OR Paris to really make a judgement there!
TNG season 5 episode 3
Yes, the episode Ensign Ro?
I would argue that the cloaking device being illegal is subjective. If he had been on DS9, he might be considered a hero , and a genius. Imagine the Defiant with a cloaking device approved by the Romulans , and also able to phase through walls. It is like turning on your transporter unto your entire ship . Making it so materials can pass through solid matter. Oh Lord I read too much sci fi .
It isnt Subjective as it is clearly stated in that episode that it is ILLEGAL and why...
Also it's kinda weird to like your own comment... Just sayin... :P
admiral nechayev should be on this list. the worst admiral in star trek. at least the others had (arguably) good motives.
Just because someone has a bad attitude does not make them Infamous, sorry...
Starfleet Admirals. What a clown show!