When I was in the Army we had 2 physical training uniform changes, 5 uniform changes and 3 dress uniform changes. It's good to know that in the future they still have this issue.
I found it funny that in the U.S. Navy, they went to a blue and black camo while one served on a solid gray ship. The only time the camo could work is if you ffell over the side. The one time you want to stand out, you are just fading in to the visual off the open ocean. Not to long ago the Navy went to a green camo, a lot of shrubbery has been fished out of the ocean.
Well done incorporating real world complaints from the actors seamlessly with those of Starfleet staff and with the stardates correct! Keep up this fantastic work!
4:41 It wasn’t the back problems the uniforms caused. It was the embarrassing “Decker Units” poking through the 1 piece that made Starfleet uncomfortable.
William Ware Theiss, Robert Fletcher, Durinda Rice Wood and Robert 'Bob' Blackman, I salute you! (especially the latter for developing the 'First Contact' uniform design)
My mom actually made a uniform for me based on the 2366-2370 officer's uniform about 25 years ago. Great for Halloween. I still have it stashed away somewhere.
Very cool rundown on the uniforms! I can just imagine some Ensigns complaining about finally having enough uniforms to call it a wardrobe only to have to decide what to throw out in favor of the new designs. That always seems to drive people to distraction!
things I never noticed before when Sisko is back on Earth talking with that admiral they put Avery Brooks in a tng uniform Marina Sirtis is not wearing her standard blue duty uniform in the last scene of the tng series finale
Was there actually an Ensign junior grade? The hollow pip was usually used for an NCO position like chief or chief petty officer (O’Brien wore one towards the end of TNG and early seasons of DS9) with crewman ranks having no pips at all. Kosinski also wore a unique tank insignia never seen anywhere else.
I never noticed that hybrid uniform at 4:59. Another hybrid you didn't touch on was that the TNG combadge debuted with the previous uniform, as in "Family" we see Jack Crusher in his holographic message to Wesley, wearing the "Yesterday's Enterprise" variant of the Kirk-era movie uniform but with the TNG combadge.
3:43 I always thought that the huge gold braid on the admiral's dress uniform Q wears was just something Q concocted as an exaggeration of the real thing. Do we ever see a real admiral wearing this?
Judging by the wacky looking season 1 regular duty admiral uniforms seeing Q wearing an "admiral's dress uniform" as what it really looks like & is not a haughty exaggeration by Q is believable.
In a way, it kind of follows on from the Wrath of Khan uniforms. This is all the more clear when you look at it's later development, the version used in DS9's 'You Are Cordially Invited', with it's belt and other features, is very clear.
That's because this part was all about the TNG Series uniforms... If you want to see the First Contact ones check out Part 4 of the series or episode 34 of Trek facts!
Regarding the uniforms from the 1 & 2nd seasons of TNG that you still see after the change from S3. I always assumed that it became the uniform for enlisted members of Starfleet hopefully with some changes to material and the like
Well it will be out as fast as I can make it, and be happy with it! Currently I dont know when that will be... It takes ALOT of research to make these types of videos, and thus take a greater amount of time to come out!
In all of Star Trek history (thus far) I very much prefer the TNG officers uniforms introduced in season 3, with the "reversed" early DS9/Voyager variant coming a close second.
This box insignia thing really got chucked out the window. Admiral Ross always had 3 boxes, even though he really should’ve had 4. Maybe even 5. I feel that a 5 pip should’ve been Commodore, though that might just be me
Love the captain's jacket. Just looks so comfortable and quite frankly it would be more functional. Yet my favorite uniform is still the last uniform worn by the DS9 crew. It is comfortable and the functionality is superior. I hope that in the future the uniforms will become not only more functional but appealing to all Starfleet personnel. And of course my personal second favorite would have to be the militaristic monster maroon. But that is a very hot uniform, however, the look is just magnificent. Live long and prosper 🖖
I loved how the second TNG uniforms weren't a retcon. I forget which episode it was, but there was a photo or hologram of someone from the first series era, and he was wearing the tight catsuit with the shoulder piping - also when they found Thomas Riker, he had shoulder piping, although the costume appeared to be constructed out of the contemporary fabrics and to the looser fit. It's like sure, the costume design was changed for practical, real-world reasons, but the uniform design changed in-world and no-one tried to claim that the older style had never happened. I also have to wonder about the medical scrubs - my initial thought is that it's stupid for surgeons to wear red, because you don't want blood to camouflage on what you're wearing. But then I realised that not every species has red blood, and indeed, don't the sciences tend to be where Vulcans gravitate? So maybe it was a green-blooded species who established surgical scrubs that THEIR blood shows up in contrast against. Also it's interesting to note that in 2398, Starfleet seem to have gone back to the 2365 cadet uniform. Only without the cargo pants pockets. Which is a shame, you can always use more pockets.
I also want to put out there that the 1st contact uniforms are probably my current favorite, with the TNG S3 uniform and movie era uniforms (ST:2-6) I have to say are tied for #2
I don’t think the Trek creators have ever been satisfied with the uniforms of Trek. They changed them so often. With the exception of the monster maroons.
TriAngulum Audio Studios that might explain why from TOS to TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and DSC. but with TMP, 2-6, and all the changes in TNG, plus the DS9/FC within a series. I know for a fact the WOK uniforms were done, both because the actors hated TMP uniforms, and because the director thought the TOS uniforms weren’t very good. TNG already had a new look, but as you so concisely showed, there were like 13 variants in TNG alone. That’s gotta be the result of not being satisfied with what they had.
Ah, the scant.....Starfleet's most hated uniform....at least in our eyes. I felt that the last Admiral's variant mention could've used a belt, like the DS9 uniforms. Make it look a bit sharper.
that's a good idea fer someone to draw the belt in a Starfleet uniform guide. much like in my trek continuity, Starfleet marine corps uniforms were the ones shown n yesterdays enterprise, and high ranking marine officers wear black breeches with knee high boots. :)
Can you do an episode explaining why Starfleet does not seem to wear body armour when in dangerous locations or when transporting to a new ship or planet or when going into a firefight?
I really wished in the stng they retained the gold/ yellow of command with gold or silver trimmings depending on rank and data should have been in science blue even as a lt commander the contrast with his skin would have been wonderful onscreen imo😊
I hope they'll have some cool uniforms in the upcoming pike series... I hope for a cool mix of the pilot style, TOS,TAS and first movie... but rationalized. I am not into turtlenecks, but i did like stuff such as the bomber jacket they intoduced in kelvin I
My head canon for the color switch is that some intern messed up and nobody noticed until it was too late. It doesn't really make sense to me for them to use the same colors from the beginning (Enterprise) almost all the way up to the "monster maroons" and then suddenly switch once a full replacement for the maroons were needed.
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Talking of Admirals the uniform worn by Admiral Janeway, the representation of Capt. Janeway's father, in 'Coda' is slightly out of place. Voyager's chronology is up the wall and Janeway's age is open for debate but he died when she was 15 which going by either age frame for Janeway is before 2353 (memory alpha has him die in 2353 solely based on his uniform, perhaps he got his new uniform and tripped over the new boots into the iceflow? Janeway's age is up in the air as early on she was older due to Bijold being originally cast)
I love the later TNG uniforms and dress / admiral variants. Gotta question for ANYONE here: at 9:30-- did anyone ever wear the five-pip fleet admiral rank in the series? If so, where?
I never understood why Gene Roddenberry went away from the 1960s uniforms for those mono colored ones in the motion picture. I did like Admiral Kirk's uniform but he should have just upgraded the material. I think the fans would have loved seeing the gold, red and blue during the movie or maybe a hybrid like Admiral Kirk except instead of his white use the gold, blue and red. A bit off topic from the video just popped in my head 😁
I think it just had to do with him wanting it to reflect the times and be more futuristic... A LOT of shows from that time period did the same thing IE Space:1999
I always thought the reason there were many admiral uniforms was less they had a standardized uniform and more because admirals had more leeway on what constitutes a uniform.
True but, they all have some base standard they have to follow outside that they seem to have free reign. I mean it would explain why in 11 years they seem to go through so many that they have less of a uniform and more of a standard. My question is all the admirals we see wear red ie command division why did we never see an admiral from another division we know they exist McCoy was one in episode 1 but he wasn't in uniform, I hope...
Or an even more logical explanation, based on canon, is Starfleet simply felt it never go the design right for these types of uniforms! Thus they continually changed the whole lot! LOL and as for McCoy, yeah, I think he was a retired admiral like Satie from Drumhead, who just wore what they wanted! And Admirals wear red because Technically they over see (or are in command) of their respective divisions! :)
I’d have liked to have seen the Voyager switch to the DS9 greys after they made contact with Starfleet again (probably would have had to wait til DS9 finished so they could steal the costumes though, although Picardo would already have one). Could maybe have made the crew feel closer to home and still part of the fleet, despite the distance. It’s not like replicator energy was much of an issue by then.
Wasn’t there two versions of the phaser props one with holster attached and one where it’s not ? I saw the two piece as the number 2 uniform and the jump suite in voyager as number 1 number 2 like a tan military shirt and tie and the jump suite uniform was the standard military uniform I hated the V triangle admiral uniform horrible
I always found it strange that in most Trek that they'd always beam down no matter the environment and never wear any other kind of away jacket (as in Ent & Disc. I know that they were supposed to be made from a wonder material that maintained ideal body temp etc. It still seemed odd. Unlike the uniforms your videos are uniformly excellent :)
LOL Thanks :) And yes it's something I always found a bit odd as well! I mean they try to cover up their no budget for other uniforms by saying things like, these uniforms are designed for ultimate comfort regardless of the environment, but I dont believe that one bit!
I greatly prefer the 2-piece uniforms of 2368, with the high collar. My biggest complaint is the changing of the colors from gold-blue-red for Command, Science, Engineering/Security, to the reversed order colors of (dark) red, blue (later teal), and gold. This did kill the old jokes about being a "red shirt" on an away mission, but otherwise served no useful purpose (like a dunsel). I could understand having a teal lab coat for medical staff, not used by other science personnel, and I could understand a bright red for engineering and dark red for security. Honestly, it irks me every time I watch a Star Trek episode to this day.
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Yeah, I think it's cause almost all the actors would have looked worse by the traditional scheme, including Worf's old makeup scheme.
In-universe, you can perhaps ascribe red becoming the command colour due to the long period (in-universe) of the red Wrath of Khan uniforms being used.
Sorry guys, (In my opinion) I still like the S.T. O. ( Kirk,Pike, Spock) uniforms the best. I was in the Navy for 8 yrs. & we didn't have a whole lot of room to stow uniforms . We had dress blues (winter ), dress white (summer}, work whites(summer), Work blues ("Johnny Cashes"),& work dungaree . Which looked like prison uniforms , except you had u'r last name instead of a number!
A few things, even to this day, I've never understood. If Data is the science officer, why is he wearing a gold uniform and not blue? Gold is the color worn by both engineering staff and security personel. I've never understood why security doesn't have it's own color.
I believe that he should have talked about the admiral ranking system which was at 9:36, before he said, "Admirals of all ranks" at 2:40. It made me believe that he meant to say all divisions instead of all ranks because admiral is a rank.
Who's he? And "He" chose not to focus on that as this series of videos in not about Rank, rather about Uniforms... And "He" said exactly what "he" meant!
I noticed in the first part you didn’t include some of the uniforms from the Kelvinverse that are loosely considered to be part of the prime timeline. Is this because of the controversy as to whether or not they are actually prime timeline canon? If you go to: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(mid_2160s) it shows this uniform as part of prime canon...
That's correct, that was a conscious decision. Not because they arent canon or shouldnt be done though... It's something I intend to explain in a future video! And thank you for the support!
while the 2tone design is great and iconic the TNG 1 uniforms really don't age well; really don't want to see everyone's turkey neck, and the 'scant' uniform looks like a hangover from the 1960s glad they moved to universal trousers later on. although i do love the earlier more 'bling' admiral and dress uniforms. and i love the captains jacket variant, looks very comfortable.
It actually is a thing that Gene Roddenbury was very clear on, there should be no pockets. I have no idea why. The top coats worn for away missions in TMP and TWoK had pockets, some of Crusher's lab coats had pockets others didn't (Zimmerman hologram didn't) and Torres' one had a top pocket, but that's your lot.
To my knowledge it wasn't so much that there shouldn't be pockets but that he figured future fabric would have ways to have pockets without looking like it. Same thing with zippers, he didn't want them to show but obviously they had to get in somehow in-universe too, just probably with magic super velcro or something. The problem with that is: good luck getting that across with 60's and 80's television budgets. It was easier to just not have actual pockets and imply the existance of invisible ones. They actually occasionally hinted at pockets being present when someone produced a Type 1 handphaser out of nowhere. As for clothes lacking pockets... ever shopped for lady pants? This is totally a thing. I assume for similar reasons as secondary considerations on TV: not having pockets slims down the outline. Especially on skintight ladyuniforms.
Actually, two episodes come to mind where Geordi pulled a phaser from one of these "hidden" pockets: The Mind's Eye - where he starts to slide the phaser from his pocket and then hastily slid it back in again when Chief O'Brien started talking to him about the transporter. The second time was in the earlier episode Samaritan Snare where a Packled pulled Geordi's phaser from his pocket. They are there (at least one anyway), just hidden.
Gosh, the admiral uniforms look utterly rediculous. Especially the scant version with the thick gold rim. Looks like carnival. WTF The normal duty uniforms are classics though.
Starfleet are not very well organised. They make uniforms with no pockets... put the bridges of starships on top of the saucer section and doesn't train Starfleet personnel to use assault rifles along with other firearms against the Borg. Instead they rely on phasers which is like shooting blanks
This was something I did a LOT of research in to, because like you I thought there was... Apparently though there was not! Any changes in colour that appeared green was merely a new batch of fabric...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios You are correct. I was thinking of Picard in tapestry. I went back and watched it and his uniform was blue. It was just lighting and camera angle that made it look green in spots :-)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Same with me. I watched my first run on an old half worn out Sony CRT. Picture looked great & sharp to me at the time and it was large for its day. But it was long in the tooth and the colours were a tad off shifted, lol.
@@Slevin-Kelevra LOL Indeed, it wasnt until years ago when I started collecting the Remastered BluRays that I realized I had been watching it wrong the entire time :)
When I was in the Army we had 2 physical training uniform changes, 5 uniform changes and 3 dress uniform changes. It's good to know that in the future they still have this issue.
Keeps the uniform manufacturers in business and the soldiers who have to buy the new uniforms broke.
Very Patriotic :P
I found it funny that in the U.S. Navy, they went to a blue and black camo while one served on a solid gray ship. The only time the camo could work is if you ffell over the side. The one time you want to stand out, you are just fading in to the visual off the open ocean. Not to long ago the Navy went to a green camo, a lot of shrubbery has been fished out of the ocean.
@@toma.1670 Where's Waldo?
@@stevepettersen3283 In the Army, we received a stipend to cover the costs of uniform changes.
Well done incorporating real world complaints from the actors seamlessly with those of Starfleet staff and with the stardates correct! Keep up this fantastic work!
Thank you so much and I shall do my best :)
4:41 It wasn’t the back problems the uniforms caused. It was the embarrassing “Decker Units” poking through the 1 piece that made Starfleet uncomfortable.
LOL :P
I always called it the Captain's smoking jacket
Yes, all he needs is a corn cobb pipe :P
100 years of the movie era uniforms and then this.
PS: Having just watched TNG: Tapestry again i found myself wanting Piccard to have a line to Q about missing the old uniforms.
William Ware Theiss, Robert Fletcher, Durinda Rice Wood and Robert 'Bob' Blackman, I salute you! (especially the latter for developing the 'First Contact' uniform design)
I just have to say your voice is so soothing and relaxing
Glad you think so! Thank you :)
What a great way to start my long weekend; Wake up, brew a coffee, and a new TriAngulum video to watch! 🤘😎
LOL awesome! Thank you for the support :)
5:45 this new duty uniform was available to the main cast first, until the old ones wore out and the extras got them too.
I think the final version that they wore on DS9 was the best looking version the designers created!!! They are my favorite uniforms!!!
I love hearing about Starfleet Unifoms.
My mom actually made a uniform for me based on the 2366-2370 officer's uniform about 25 years ago. Great for Halloween. I still have it stashed away somewhere.
It was so so subtle I never notice the changes in uniforms. Unless it was like a time travel episode such as Yesterday's Enterprise,
My favorite was always the captains jacket.
4:44 seeing deckers unit certainly makes me uncomfortable.
LOL, I had to include it! :P
That was a tiny phaser Decker had. Red Alert!!
Very cool rundown on the uniforms! I can just imagine some Ensigns complaining about finally having enough uniforms to call it a wardrobe only to have to decide what to throw out in favor of the new designs. That always seems to drive people to distraction!
Thank you :P LOL The problems of the lower decks! :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios - It's something that I relate to very very well. It's one of the big benefits of retirement!
My favorite will always be the Dominion War variants
I believe the next part will dive in to those ones :)
things I never noticed before
when Sisko is back on Earth talking with that admiral they put Avery Brooks in a tng uniform
Marina Sirtis is not wearing her standard blue duty uniform in the last scene of the tng series finale
I like to surprise you on occasion! :P
This uniform is my favorite!
Was there actually an Ensign junior grade? The hollow pip was usually used for an NCO position like chief or chief petty officer (O’Brien wore one towards the end of TNG and early seasons of DS9) with crewman ranks having no pips at all.
Kosinski also wore a unique tank insignia never seen anywhere else.
Great vid the admiral uniform pressman wore was the best and the grey black uniform
Thank you so much :)
Well done another video worth the wait hopefully there be a part 4 or addendum to part 3 talking about the dress uniform of 2371.
No No, there will be a part 4 as the DS9/ VOY Uniforms need to be discussed along with the movies uniform and the new Picard series uniforms!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios ok cool
I never noticed that hybrid uniform at 4:59. Another hybrid you didn't touch on was that the TNG combadge debuted with the previous uniform, as in "Family" we see Jack Crusher in his holographic message to Wesley, wearing the "Yesterday's Enterprise" variant of the Kirk-era movie uniform but with the TNG combadge.
What you maybe could talk about sometime? Kelvin Uniforms. IE, if you look at them, they're covered in the Starfleet Deltas.
Indeed I will at some future point :) No worries!
I really like the later DS-9 unis with the majority black and smaller dept. colour
3:43 I always thought that the huge gold braid on the admiral's dress uniform Q wears was just something Q concocted as an exaggeration of the real thing. Do we ever see a real admiral wearing this?
No. No non Q Admiral wore a dress uniform until the latter seasons of DS9.
Judging by the wacky looking season 1 regular duty admiral uniforms seeing Q wearing an "admiral's dress uniform" as what it really looks like & is not a haughty exaggeration by Q is believable.
Although Picard giving him a once-over and going "You're no Starfleet Admiral Q!" suggests there was nothing unusual about it.
Ah, yes; the Officers' Dress Uniform... called that because they actually look like dresses.
"Mr Worf... you look good in a dress."
Some guys just look great in a dress :P
In a way, it kind of follows on from the Wrath of Khan uniforms.
This is all the more clear when you look at it's later development, the version used in DS9's 'You Are Cordially Invited', with it's belt and other features, is very clear.
Another great video. One day Starfleet Command is going to find a style of uniform they really like and stick with it forever. :)
Nice and awesome video. I really enjoyed this video. Perfect .
Thank you so much :)
Ahh. We barely saw the First Contact uniforms. They were my favorites.
That's because this part was all about the TNG Series uniforms... If you want to see the First Contact ones check out Part 4 of the series or episode 34 of Trek facts!
Regarding the uniforms from the 1 & 2nd seasons of TNG that you still see after the change from S3. I always assumed that it became the uniform for enlisted members of Starfleet hopefully with some changes to material and the like
Again one great video about Star Trek. Please can we have A part 4 soon thank you.
Well it will be out as fast as I can make it, and be happy with it! Currently I dont know when that will be... It takes ALOT of research to make these types of videos, and thus take a greater amount of time to come out!
"Red Shirt again.... Uh oh!"
*Doesn't die*
LOL
Crewman Noname #6 is dead Jim lol.
the curse of the red shirt is the fact that red shirts were worn by security officers...the grunts...unless major character
In all of Star Trek history (thus far) I very much prefer the TNG officers uniforms introduced in season 3, with the "reversed" early DS9/Voyager variant coming a close second.
FreihEitner I preferred the first contact ones
@@Marcus51090 those or the ones from the original cast movies.
This box insignia thing really got chucked out the window. Admiral Ross always had 3 boxes, even though he really should’ve had 4. Maybe even 5. I feel that a 5 pip should’ve been Commodore, though that might just be me
Great video as always, I always quite liked the black v neck admiral uniforms, even if they were a bit odd
Thank you so much! And so did I to be honest! :)
Love the captain's jacket. Just looks so comfortable and quite frankly it would be more functional. Yet my favorite uniform is still the last uniform worn by the DS9 crew. It is comfortable and the functionality is superior. I hope that in the future the uniforms will become not only more functional but appealing to all Starfleet personnel.
And of course my personal second favorite would have to be the militaristic monster maroon. But that is a very hot uniform, however, the look is just magnificent.
Live long and prosper 🖖
Mine is the First Contact/ Dominion War Version to be sure! :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios
Yes, that one. DS9 is what I used to call it.
I loved how the second TNG uniforms weren't a retcon. I forget which episode it was, but there was a photo or hologram of someone from the first series era, and he was wearing the tight catsuit with the shoulder piping - also when they found Thomas Riker, he had shoulder piping, although the costume appeared to be constructed out of the contemporary fabrics and to the looser fit. It's like sure, the costume design was changed for practical, real-world reasons, but the uniform design changed in-world and no-one tried to claim that the older style had never happened.
I also have to wonder about the medical scrubs - my initial thought is that it's stupid for surgeons to wear red, because you don't want blood to camouflage on what you're wearing. But then I realised that not every species has red blood, and indeed, don't the sciences tend to be where Vulcans gravitate? So maybe it was a green-blooded species who established surgical scrubs that THEIR blood shows up in contrast against.
Also it's interesting to note that in 2398, Starfleet seem to have gone back to the 2365 cadet uniform. Only without the cargo pants pockets. Which is a shame, you can always use more pockets.
I also want to put out there that the 1st contact uniforms are probably my current favorite, with the TNG S3 uniform and movie era uniforms (ST:2-6) I have to say are tied for #2
First Contact are my favorites as well!
I don’t think the Trek creators have ever been satisfied with the uniforms of Trek. They changed them so often. With the exception of the monster maroons.
That's more to do with making a show LOOK different from another, cause you know, we as an audience could never separate those in our heads :P
TriAngulum Audio Studios that might explain why from TOS to TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and DSC. but with TMP, 2-6, and all the changes in TNG, plus the DS9/FC within a series.
I know for a fact the WOK uniforms were done, both because the actors hated TMP uniforms, and because the director thought the TOS uniforms weren’t very good.
TNG already had a new look, but as you so concisely showed, there were like 13 variants in TNG alone. That’s gotta be the result of not being satisfied with what they had.
Ah, the scant.....Starfleet's most hated uniform....at least in our eyes.
I felt that the last Admiral's variant mention could've used a belt, like the DS9 uniforms. Make it look a bit sharper.
that's a good idea fer someone to draw the belt in a Starfleet uniform guide. much like in my trek continuity, Starfleet marine corps uniforms were the ones shown n yesterdays enterprise, and high ranking marine officers wear black breeches with knee high boots. :)
Can you do an episode explaining why Starfleet does not seem to wear body armour when in dangerous locations or when transporting to a new ship or planet or when going into a firefight?
I really wished in the stng they retained the gold/ yellow of command with gold or silver trimmings depending on rank and data should have been in science blue even as a lt commander the contrast with his skin would have been wonderful onscreen imo😊
Out of these uniforms, I like the updated two piece Voyager one the best. 👍
GoodOldGamer those look like a very sleek suit. Love those uniforms.
Agreed!
I hope they'll have some cool uniforms in the upcoming pike series...
I hope for a cool mix of the pilot style, TOS,TAS and first movie... but rationalized.
I am not into turtlenecks, but i did like stuff such as the bomber jacket they intoduced in kelvin I
My head canon for the color switch is that some intern messed up and nobody noticed until it was too late. It doesn't really make sense to me for them to use the same colors from the beginning (Enterprise) almost all the way up to the "monster maroons" and then suddenly switch once a full replacement for the maroons were needed.
Always thought the adimiral uniform Q wore was his OTT interpretation as it looks too impractical.
I would believe that if he had done that with every other Starfleet Uni and costume, of course though, he doesnt :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Talking of Admirals the uniform worn by Admiral Janeway, the representation of Capt. Janeway's father, in 'Coda' is slightly out of place. Voyager's chronology is up the wall and Janeway's age is open for debate but he died when she was 15 which going by either age frame for Janeway is before 2353 (memory alpha has him die in 2353 solely based on his uniform, perhaps he got his new uniform and tripped over the new boots into the iceflow? Janeway's age is up in the air as early on she was older due to Bijold being originally cast)
I love the later TNG uniforms and dress / admiral variants. Gotta question for ANYONE here: at 9:30-- did anyone ever wear the five-pip fleet admiral rank in the series? If so, where?
I always found the Admiral uniforms of the early TNG seasons to be somewhat campy, but that kind of fell in line with late 1980s fashion anyway.
I never understood why Gene Roddenberry went away from the 1960s uniforms for those mono colored ones in the motion picture. I did like Admiral Kirk's uniform but he should have just upgraded the material. I think the fans would have loved seeing the gold, red and blue during the movie or maybe a hybrid like Admiral Kirk except instead of his white use the gold, blue and red. A bit off topic from the video just popped in my head 😁
I think it just had to do with him wanting it to reflect the times and be more futuristic... A LOT of shows from that time period did the same thing IE Space:1999
The TMP uniforms just reflected what was considered cool and futuristic at the time.
The rather stern looking SF admiral also played an equally stern judge in the early series of L&O.
At 3:03, Doctor Crusher, is there something wrong with your uniform? Can I help?
Dr. Pulaski seems to have her own version of the medical uniform I've never seen anyone else wear
Actually her version is worn by multiple people through out the shows run! :)
It was similar to the maternity uniform because she had wide hips and a big butt...
LOL @ Jeff! LOL
TriAngulum Audio Studios I actually didn’t hate Pulaski. Diana Muldaur was an amazing actress! Loved her in TOS episodes!
LOL I didnt care for her in Is there in Truth, No beauty? But in return to Tomorrow she was good!
I always thought the reason there were many admiral uniforms was less they had a standardized uniform and more because admirals had more leeway on what constitutes a uniform.
That's not really how a uniformed in the first place organization works though!
True but, they all have some base standard they have to follow outside that they seem to have free reign. I mean it would explain why in 11 years they seem to go through so many that they have less of a uniform and more of a standard. My question is all the admirals we see wear red ie command division why did we never see an admiral from another division we know they exist McCoy was one in episode 1 but he wasn't in uniform, I hope...
Or an even more logical explanation, based on canon, is Starfleet simply felt it never go the design right for these types of uniforms! Thus they continually changed the whole lot! LOL and as for McCoy, yeah, I think he was a retired admiral like Satie from Drumhead, who just wore what they wanted! And Admirals wear red because Technically they over see (or are in command) of their respective divisions! :)
I’d have liked to have seen the Voyager switch to the DS9 greys after they made contact with Starfleet again (probably would have had to wait til DS9 finished so they could steal the costumes though, although Picardo would already have one). Could maybe have made the crew feel closer to home and still part of the fleet, despite the distance. It’s not like replicator energy was much of an issue by then.
1:12 whats the name of that music
what is the background music of this video?
I dont know it off the top of my head, but all my music comes from UA-cams Royalty Free Music Library!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios thnx
6:00, I don't know why but that jacket makes me want to believe The Enterprise was KIT from KnightRider.
LOL Captain Hasselhoff to the bridge! Make sure his yeoman brings him his burgers though! :P
Wasn’t there two versions of the phaser props one with holster attached and one where it’s not ?
I saw the two piece as the number 2 uniform and the jump suite in voyager as number 1 number 2 like a tan military shirt and tie and the jump suite uniform was the standard military uniform
I hated the V triangle admiral uniform horrible
Indeed there was, type 1 and type 2 phasers... type 1 was the tiny palm phaser, type 2 the standard phaser!
TriAngulum Audio Studios they did away with those tiny little ones as we never saw them again
Actually that may not be/ isnt true, I remember in season 4 of TNG they were still using them as Wesley programs one for burst shots at a force field!
Oh and it was in Voyager at least once in the episode, In the Flesh!
TriAngulum Audio Studios my favourite one is the nemesis hand phaser
5:29 Is that a pocket under Data's combadge?
Starfleet Uniform, the greatest archenemy of Jean-Luc Picard
My favorite uniform design is the second one used in DS9...
I always found it strange that in most Trek that they'd always beam down no matter the environment and never wear any other kind of away jacket (as in Ent & Disc. I know that they were supposed to be made from a wonder material that maintained ideal body temp etc. It still seemed odd. Unlike the uniforms your videos are uniformly excellent :)
LOL Thanks :) And yes it's something I always found a bit odd as well! I mean they try to cover up their no budget for other uniforms by saying things like, these uniforms are designed for ultimate comfort regardless of the environment, but I dont believe that one bit!
I loved the ones from Star Trek II but not good for away team missions. The best modern uniform was the uniforms from TNG season 3-7.
Yeah they dont really make sense at all for away missions!
Wasn't the single-pip Rear Admiral also known as "Commodore"?
Well my favorite is the Voyager uniform :)
Why?
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios it's colors are not that outstanding and in combat situations they are much better
Someday, Somehow, Starfleet will strike a balance between, Jacket & Tunic style and the Coverall/onesie style
In TNG s1 Where No One
Has Gone Before: "Kosinski has a square rank pin, which is never seen again on Star Trek."
It was sucked in to a space time anomaly!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios LOL.
"Stylish, by 24th century standards" that tone says it all, doesn't it
I mean you always want to know who to salute lol
I greatly prefer the 2-piece uniforms of 2368, with the high collar. My biggest complaint is the changing of the colors from gold-blue-red for Command, Science, Engineering/Security, to the reversed order colors of (dark) red, blue (later teal), and gold. This did kill the old jokes about being a "red shirt" on an away mission, but otherwise served no useful purpose (like a dunsel). I could understand having a teal lab coat for medical staff, not used by other science personnel, and I could understand a bright red for engineering and dark red for security. Honestly, it irks me every time I watch a Star Trek episode to this day.
Well we know in the real world that was done because Patrick Stewart looked horrible in Yellow!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Yeah, I think it's cause almost all the actors would have looked worse by the traditional scheme, including Worf's old makeup scheme.
In-universe, you can perhaps ascribe red becoming the command colour due to the long period (in-universe) of the red Wrath of Khan uniforms being used.
Next: Star Trek online uniform. Good luck explaining those.
Sorry guys, (In my opinion) I still like the S.T. O. ( Kirk,Pike, Spock) uniforms the best. I was in the Navy for 8 yrs. & we didn't have a whole lot of room to stow uniforms . We had dress blues (winter ), dress white (summer}, work whites(summer), Work blues ("Johnny Cashes"),& work dungaree . Which looked like prison uniforms , except you had u'r last name instead of a number!
A few things, even to this day, I've never understood.
If Data is the science officer, why is he wearing a gold uniform and not blue?
Gold is the color worn by both engineering staff and security personel. I've never understood why security doesn't have it's own color.
Data is NOT a science officer, eh is the Starships Operations Officer, that's why he sits at Ops and also why he wears a gold uniform!
Where part 4 coming
Excellent end to the series
Thank you but it's not the end :P Still have DS9, Voyager and Movie uniforms to cover as well as Star Trek Picard!
You forgot to mention "The Picard Maneuver"
LOL
Do a new one with the latest versions from Picard S2 and 3 please
The Admirals had it the worst XD
I believe that he should have talked about the admiral ranking system which was at 9:36, before he said, "Admirals of all ranks" at 2:40. It made me believe that he meant to say all divisions instead of all ranks because admiral is a rank.
Who's he? And "He" chose not to focus on that as this series of videos in not about Rank, rather about Uniforms... And "He" said exactly what "he" meant!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios when I said he I meant you.
Well you have "He's" Answer :P
Part 7 when ? 😉
2063~
Hated the monster maroon’s, prefer the three departmental colors.
Yeah they didnt make much sense as an away team uni either!
I noticed in the first part you didn’t include some of the uniforms from the Kelvinverse that are loosely considered to be part of the prime timeline. Is this because of the controversy as to whether or not they are actually prime timeline canon? If you go to: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(mid_2160s) it shows this uniform as part of prime canon...
Oh and I love these type of trek facts videos!
That's correct, that was a conscious decision. Not because they arent canon or shouldnt be done though... It's something I intend to explain in a future video! And thank you for the support!
Oooooh!!!
while the 2tone design is great and iconic the TNG 1 uniforms really don't age well; really don't want to see everyone's turkey neck, and the 'scant' uniform looks like a hangover from the 1960s glad they moved to universal trousers later on. although i do love the earlier more 'bling' admiral and dress uniforms. and i love the captains jacket variant, looks very comfortable.
You missed the athletic variation seen in ‘VOY: Learning Curve’
No I didnt, I havent done those uniforms yet! That will be in Part 4!
Ah okay I guess it’s the overlapping as Bashir wore his in ‘Rivals’ which takes place in the timeframe.
Well I had to mention some of the connections :P But worry not there's at least another part, maybe 2!
Which Seasons and Episodes are TNG Uniforms Changes is?
Were n't the "yellow" uniforms in the tng and tos series really lime colored?
No they were gold...
There is something that doesn't feel right about Picard being in the 2780 uniforms, I wonder how Kirk looks in thw TNG uniform. :p
Someone did that on Pinstrest... A whole thing on the TOS crew in the TNG uniforms, Every main TOS character, including Kirk...
Word has it, the colors were swapped because Patrick Stewart looked better in red.
I still prefer the “pre Kirk” uniforms
I like the look of the later season TNG uniforms, but I know that they were still crappy costumes. I still prefer TWOK or First Contact uniforms.
Interesting idea however, don't think you have that many uniform changes in only 20 years.
Sorry what do you mean?
Starfleet makes uniforms that lack POCKETS
It actually is a thing that Gene Roddenbury was very clear on, there should be no pockets. I have no idea why. The top coats worn for away missions in TMP and TWoK had pockets, some of Crusher's lab coats had pockets others didn't (Zimmerman hologram didn't) and Torres' one had a top pocket, but that's your lot.
To my knowledge it wasn't so much that there shouldn't be pockets but that he figured future fabric would have ways to have pockets without looking like it. Same thing with zippers, he didn't want them to show but obviously they had to get in somehow in-universe too, just probably with magic super velcro or something. The problem with that is: good luck getting that across with 60's and 80's television budgets. It was easier to just not have actual pockets and imply the existance of invisible ones. They actually occasionally hinted at pockets being present when someone produced a Type 1 handphaser out of nowhere.
As for clothes lacking pockets... ever shopped for lady pants? This is totally a thing. I assume for similar reasons as secondary considerations on TV: not having pockets slims down the outline. Especially on skintight ladyuniforms.
The cadet uniforms had pockets.
Actually, two episodes come to mind where Geordi pulled a phaser from one of these "hidden" pockets: The Mind's Eye - where he starts to slide the phaser from his pocket and then hastily slid it back in again when Chief O'Brien started talking to him about the transporter. The second time was in the earlier episode Samaritan Snare where a Packled pulled Geordi's phaser from his pocket. They are there (at least one anyway), just hidden.
Gosh, the admiral uniforms look utterly rediculous. Especially the scant version with the thick gold rim. Looks like carnival. WTF
The normal duty uniforms are classics though.
Early.
Sorry what?
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios i found this video quiet early in comparison to when i usualy get TriAngulum videos recommended
Oh really? that's odd, I always release my vids on Mon, Thurs and Sat at 9am! I shall write a strongly worded letter to UA-cam :P
The best star trek uniform is the TNG uniform. Everything else has been just ok.
Starfleet are not very well organised. They make uniforms with no pockets... put the bridges of starships on top of the saucer section and doesn't train Starfleet personnel to use assault rifles along with other firearms against the Borg. Instead they rely on phasers which is like shooting blanks
(Not) Glad to see the never-ending uniform changes will continue centuries from now 😅
Wasn't there also green?
This was something I did a LOT of research in to, because like you I thought there was... Apparently though there was not! Any changes in colour that appeared green was merely a new batch of fabric...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios You are correct. I was thinking of Picard in tapestry. I went back and watched it and his uniform was blue. It was just lighting and camera angle that made it look green in spots :-)
I think the fact that when I watched it all originally it was on an old tube tv, so I'm sure that didnt help!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Same with me. I watched my first run on an old half worn out Sony CRT. Picture looked great & sharp to me at the time and it was large for its day. But it was long in the tooth and the colours were a tad off shifted, lol.
@@Slevin-Kelevra LOL Indeed, it wasnt until years ago when I started collecting the Remastered BluRays that I realized I had been watching it wrong the entire time :)