So I just want to add here. She has mentioned twice that other children in a family doing fine is evidence that the parents are not to blame. I just want to suggest that in future you may want ( or Dr. Marsh) may want to dig deeper with that as evidence. Give more clarity as most of us who have some knowledge about child abuse know that often an abusive parent picks a scapegoat to bully and another child as a golden child, so it’s unclear to me how one child being OK and another having behavior issues is evidence that this is entirely heritable. There are many families that have very well concealed emotional abusers.
I wholeheartedly agree. Narcissistic abusers, especially mothers, are the consummate "victim" when they talk about the child they scapegoat, and their desire to keep up appearances and be admired in public makes it very easy for them to lie, minimize their abuse, exaggerate the behavior of the scapegoat, and to justify everything they do and do not do to the scapegoated child. The truly are momsters to the child they scapegoat for doing nothing other than being born, and often the other children are afraid to say anything about the abuse because they see what the abusive mother (or father) does to the scapegoat, and they don't want to be next in line for it. We *must* have more actual evidence, not just anecdotal evidence from a parent/parents.
What a heart wrenching and perplexing thing to realize your child has these traits and to deal with the abuse. I realize my brother had these issues. Indeed we all knew that he was prone to stealing g and lying but had no idea what he was truly capable of later in life in terms of stealing, fraud, financial abuse etc. it is for sure comforting to hear others insights and experiences, but it’s sad as well
What this mother went through is, no doubt, terrible, and is *textbook* infant/toddler behavior for a child born with psychopathy. Yet, we have to be careful with this anecdotal evidence from a parent/parents. This "evidence" of other children doing fine is *not* enough to suggest this child is a psychopath. My own mother, diagnosed narcissist, scapegoated my older brother so badly, beating him from a *very young* age, and she admits to doing this BEFORE he was even 18 months old, and she will argue with you and any other professional to this day that HE was the problem from birth, when SHE was the problem all along. For a long time, she even convinced our father that our older brother was the problem, and she used the same "evidence" that her daughters were not behaving in the "horrible" way he was. My older brother could have *easily* been MISdiagnosed by a clinician with conduct disorder as a child because he turned to sniffing model airplane glue at age 10, had multiple attempts to run away, where he would tell our older sister that he was running away because he was afraid that our parents were going to kill him. At age 10, he had two grown adults...semi-professional athletes (baseball and tennis)...beating him as an adult team of abusers. My brother would run away, and law enforcement would bring him right back, which meant he would be abused even WORSE when he returned, because....god help anyone...if you make a narcissist look bad in public, like having their runaway 10 year old caught by law enforcement and returning to the house after being told he was afraid his abusive parents were going to kill him, only to find our drop dead gorgeous mother and even more gorgeous father standing before them with their beautiful daughters behind them. We looked like the perfect, beautiful, healthy family in a lovely clean, organized, beautifully decorated home, with nice clothes and plenty of toys. Plus, and this was salient, every single one of us KNEW if we told anyone, the beating we would get would be so much worse, again, because publicly outing a narcissist of any kind is the WORST narcissistic injury they can incur, so their wrath is going to make you wish you WERE dead. Clinicians MUST require more evidence than just what a parent says because no one plays the role of "the victim" better than a narcissist, and also use their other children as examples of them being "a good parent". NOTE: I am not suggesting this woman is a narcissist. Let me make that clear. I am saying that *some* parent lie through their teeth in order to "keep up appearances" and the scapegoat innocent children from BIRTH before the child has an opportunity to even take their first breath on this planet, they are *immediately* cast in the role of scapegoat having done nothing wrong aside from being born and existing. Narcissists will tell you ALL the list of (their) grievances that a infant/toddler/preschooler/young child did to cause them to "spank" them (they can minimize abuse to being deserved discipline after everything else has failed), when the child is wetting the bed, running away (for fear of being KILLED), and resorting to use of drugs, early sex, and/or alcohol abuse in an attempt to mitigate the trauma of their existence. My brother was the kindest, most down to earth person, and he would give you the shirt of his back, buy everyone in the family Christmas gifts, spending all his money, and he didn't have a pretentious bone in his body. He simply had the misfortune of being born to a vicous, abusive, admiration-seeking narcissist who would play the role of victim when she was the abuser. I don't want this to happen to other children who are scapegoated, so please require MORE than just one parent's perspective. Oh, and our father obtained his undergraduate degree in psychology, so it wasn't as if he didn't realize our mother was the problem, but she had him fooled for a long, long time. Ugh, and to hear her talk about how "The mother is always the one who is blamed". She was a full-blown child abuser, but her narcissistic delusions were her defense against admitting that she was a monster, it was always the little child's fault for being nothing but a child who didn't know any better.
That was the first time I ever had feelings of sympathy for someone with primary psychopathy, meaning they were born with it through something important missing or too small in their brain. It is very sad when we start talking about babies not having enough normal feelings to want to be picked up. Makes me feel that this can be a very lonely and tough way to come into the world.
The brain of a psychopath cannot process oxytocin, the bonding hormone, and oxytocin is what bonds mother and children, primarily through breastfeeding, but also through physical touch (just like psychologically healthy adults like cuddling). Oxytocin is the hormone that bonds parents and children, friends, family members, and us to our pets and vice versa. Since the psychopathic brain cannot process oxytocin (or the hormones that make the rest of us feel fear when our life is in danger), they have no desire to be picked up as infants or toddlers. All they need is food, shelter, and survivable temps. They are fully self-contained units and do not need anyone else, except when they get to be about 10 years old they generally start feeling the drive for sex kick in (from what I've been told from both male and female psychopaths). You should know that psychopaths are not disturbed or sad about any of this. They do NOT long to be held or picked up, although I do know of a couple of adults who claim to be psychopaths (who can verify if this is even true???) who claim to enjoy cuddling because "it feels good" which makes me think they're more "sociopaths" (factor 2 psychopaths, made that way by early childhood neglect/abuse) than factor 1, ice cold, psychopaths who are that way from birth. They never feel lonely. They are incapable of feeling depressed. What they generally "feel" toward others humans is total and complete indifference. Oh, but they do suffer from PERVASIVE boredom, to a degree that it makes them desire to be around others just so they can have some people to "f*ck with"...as one stated to me, or to entertain, manipulate, dupe, or for sex. They feel ZERO pain, suffering, or any other negative feelings about being a psychopath. They perceive the rest of us as boring, weak, and deserving of abuse (like this mother), manipulation and exploitation. They are COMPLETELY INDIFFERENT. Thus, don't spend one second of your time thinking they are lonely when they prefer to be alone (and free of having to wear their social mask for you and me) and just be themselves.
@@le_th_ You may be right with what you say. This has to do with the brain and heavy duty psychology,, and few studies have gone far into this, so it is hard to know exactly what is going on with these people. I think the studies simply looking at the behaviors of known psychopaths' are accurate in their conclusions of how these people act and think and feel in the world. What is really going on deep down in these people is not well understood. Many have been sexually molested and tortured when young, so there is that to take into consideration. People tend to act out what happened to them in childhood in their adult lives. So a super angry person with no feelings at all for other people may be a much bigger threat to society than someone who simply has no empathy for others. The people at the very top of the pyramid of power brainwash and manipulate even very high level members of the club. They make sure things are very compartmentalized. There are lies on top of lies on top of other lies. The brainwashing done on high level club members tend to be in the direction of making sure they never develop any kind of conscience. Rituals like the the cremation of care at the bohemian grove are aimed at this goal.
Is there evidence that the child programs are effective across other disorders that have challenging child externalizing behaviours, eg FASDs? Dr Marsh mentioned other countries that help for child-parent violence but didn't specify them? So many questions about how secondary psychopathy presents and comorbidity. I hope you could interview again. The parent abandoned their safety boundary, and I wish they had a reminder within the interview especially since facial recognition is a thing.
I've consumed more content on the Cluster B disorders AND psychopathy (factor 1 and 2) since 2014 than I can tell you, yet this wasn't recommended to me until today, October 2024. Seriously. I'm SUPER intellectually curious, too. The algorithm is good, but not stellar on UA-cam.
So I just want to add here. She has mentioned twice that other children in a family doing fine is evidence that the parents are not to blame. I just want to suggest that in future you may want ( or Dr. Marsh) may want to dig deeper with that as evidence. Give more clarity as most of us who have some knowledge about child abuse know that often an abusive parent picks a scapegoat to bully and another child as a golden child, so it’s unclear to me how one child being OK and another having behavior issues is evidence that this is entirely heritable. There are many families that have very well concealed emotional abusers.
Good point. People should do a thorough accounting of the treatment of children and not automatically trust anyone who was alone with the child.
I wholeheartedly agree. Narcissistic abusers, especially mothers, are the consummate "victim" when they talk about the child they scapegoat, and their desire to keep up appearances and be admired in public makes it very easy for them to lie, minimize their abuse, exaggerate the behavior of the scapegoat, and to justify everything they do and do not do to the scapegoated child.
The truly are momsters to the child they scapegoat for doing nothing other than being born, and often the other children are afraid to say anything about the abuse because they see what the abusive mother (or father) does to the scapegoat, and they don't want to be next in line for it.
We *must* have more actual evidence, not just anecdotal evidence from a parent/parents.
What a heart wrenching and perplexing thing to realize your child has these traits and to deal with the abuse. I realize my brother had these issues. Indeed we all knew that he was prone to stealing g and lying but had no idea what he was truly capable of later in life in terms of stealing, fraud, financial abuse etc. it is for sure comforting to hear others insights and experiences, but it’s sad as well
What this mother went through is, no doubt, terrible, and is *textbook* infant/toddler behavior for a child born with psychopathy. Yet, we have to be careful with this anecdotal evidence from a parent/parents.
This "evidence" of other children doing fine is *not* enough to suggest this child is a psychopath. My own mother, diagnosed narcissist, scapegoated my older brother so badly, beating him from a *very young* age, and she admits to doing this BEFORE he was even 18 months old, and she will argue with you and any other professional to this day that HE was the problem from birth, when SHE was the problem all along. For a long time, she even convinced our father that our older brother was the problem, and she used the same "evidence" that her daughters were not behaving in the "horrible" way he was.
My older brother could have *easily* been MISdiagnosed by a clinician with conduct disorder as a child because he turned to sniffing model airplane glue at age 10, had multiple attempts to run away, where he would tell our older sister that he was running away because he was afraid that our parents were going to kill him. At age 10, he had two grown adults...semi-professional athletes (baseball and tennis)...beating him as an adult team of abusers. My brother would run away, and law enforcement would bring him right back, which meant he would be abused even WORSE when he returned, because....god help anyone...if you make a narcissist look bad in public, like having their runaway 10 year old caught by law enforcement and returning to the house after being told he was afraid his abusive parents were going to kill him, only to find our drop dead gorgeous mother and even more gorgeous father standing before them with their beautiful daughters behind them. We looked like the perfect, beautiful, healthy family in a lovely clean, organized, beautifully decorated home, with nice clothes and plenty of toys. Plus, and this was salient, every single one of us KNEW if we told anyone, the beating we would get would be so much worse, again, because publicly outing a narcissist of any kind is the WORST narcissistic injury they can incur, so their wrath is going to make you wish you WERE dead.
Clinicians MUST require more evidence than just what a parent says because no one plays the role of "the victim" better than a narcissist, and also use their other children as examples of them being "a good parent".
NOTE: I am not suggesting this woman is a narcissist. Let me make that clear. I am saying that *some* parent lie through their teeth in order to "keep up appearances" and the scapegoat innocent children from BIRTH before the child has an opportunity to even take their first breath on this planet, they are *immediately* cast in the role of scapegoat having done nothing wrong aside from being born and existing.
Narcissists will tell you ALL the list of (their) grievances that a infant/toddler/preschooler/young child did to cause them to "spank" them (they can minimize abuse to being deserved discipline after everything else has failed), when the child is wetting the bed, running away (for fear of being KILLED), and resorting to use of drugs, early sex, and/or alcohol abuse in an attempt to mitigate the trauma of their existence. My brother was the kindest, most down to earth person, and he would give you the shirt of his back, buy everyone in the family Christmas gifts, spending all his money, and he didn't have a pretentious bone in his body. He simply had the misfortune of being born to a vicous, abusive, admiration-seeking narcissist who would play the role of victim when she was the abuser.
I don't want this to happen to other children who are scapegoated, so please require MORE than just one parent's perspective. Oh, and our father obtained his undergraduate degree in psychology, so it wasn't as if he didn't realize our mother was the problem, but she had him fooled for a long, long time.
Ugh, and to hear her talk about how "The mother is always the one who is blamed". She was a full-blown child abuser, but her narcissistic delusions were her defense against admitting that she was a monster, it was always the little child's fault for being nothing but a child who didn't know any better.
That was the first time I ever had feelings of sympathy for someone with primary psychopathy, meaning they were born with it through something important missing or too small in their brain. It is very sad when we start talking about babies not having enough normal feelings to want to be picked up. Makes me feel that this can be a very lonely and tough way to come into the world.
Not really
The brain of a psychopath cannot process oxytocin, the bonding hormone, and oxytocin is what bonds mother and children, primarily through breastfeeding, but also through physical touch (just like psychologically healthy adults like cuddling). Oxytocin is the hormone that bonds parents and children, friends, family members, and us to our pets and vice versa. Since the psychopathic brain cannot process oxytocin (or the hormones that make the rest of us feel fear when our life is in danger), they have no desire to be picked up as infants or toddlers. All they need is food, shelter, and survivable temps. They are fully self-contained units and do not need anyone else, except when they get to be about 10 years old they generally start feeling the drive for sex kick in (from what I've been told from both male and female psychopaths).
You should know that psychopaths are not disturbed or sad about any of this. They do NOT long to be held or picked up, although I do know of a couple of adults who claim to be psychopaths (who can verify if this is even true???) who claim to enjoy cuddling because "it feels good" which makes me think they're more "sociopaths" (factor 2 psychopaths, made that way by early childhood neglect/abuse) than factor 1, ice cold, psychopaths who are that way from birth.
They never feel lonely. They are incapable of feeling depressed. What they generally "feel" toward others humans is total and complete indifference.
Oh, but they do suffer from PERVASIVE boredom, to a degree that it makes them desire to be around others just so they can have some people to "f*ck with"...as one stated to me, or to entertain, manipulate, dupe, or for sex. They feel ZERO pain, suffering, or any other negative feelings about being a psychopath. They perceive the rest of us as boring, weak, and deserving of abuse (like this mother), manipulation and exploitation. They are COMPLETELY INDIFFERENT.
Thus, don't spend one second of your time thinking they are lonely when they prefer to be alone (and free of having to wear their social mask for you and me) and just be themselves.
@@le_th_ You may be right with what you say. This has to do with the brain and heavy duty psychology,, and few studies have gone far into this, so it is hard to know exactly what is going on with these people. I think the studies simply looking at the behaviors of known psychopaths' are accurate in their conclusions of how these people act and think and feel in the world. What is really going on deep down in these people is not well understood. Many have been sexually molested and tortured when young, so there is that to take into consideration. People tend to act out what happened to them in childhood in their adult lives. So a super angry person with no feelings at all for other people may be a much bigger threat to society than someone who simply has no empathy for others. The people at the very top of the pyramid of power brainwash and manipulate even very high level members of the club. They make sure things are very compartmentalized. There are lies on top of lies on top of other lies. The brainwashing done on high level club members tend to be in the direction of making sure they never develop any kind of conscience. Rituals like the the cremation of care at the bohemian grove are aimed at this goal.
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A lot of so-called experts on mental health don't know what they are talking about.
Is there evidence that the child programs are effective across other disorders that have challenging child externalizing behaviours, eg FASDs? Dr Marsh mentioned other countries that help for child-parent violence but didn't specify them? So many questions about how secondary psychopathy presents and comorbidity. I hope you could interview again. The parent abandoned their safety boundary, and I wish they had a reminder within the interview especially since facial recognition is a thing.
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I've consumed more content on the Cluster B disorders AND psychopathy (factor 1 and 2) since 2014 than I can tell you, yet this wasn't recommended to me until today, October 2024. Seriously.
I'm SUPER intellectually curious, too. The algorithm is good, but not stellar on UA-cam.