Psychopathy in Fiction: Psychopathy researcher interviews NEVER SAW ME COMING author Vera Kurian
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- We all know someone with psychopathy.
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But few know the truth about it. We’re helping change that… by helping you know the signs. Know about treatment options and resources. And know you’re not alone.
Abigail Marsh is Professor of Psychology and Neuroscience at Georgetown University and director of the Laboratory on Social and Affective Neuroscience. She is also a co-founder of Psychopathy Is.
Vera Kurian is a writer and scientist based in Washington DC. Her debut novel, NEVER SAW ME COMING, was published by Park Row Books (US) and Harvill Secker, Vintage (UK) in September 2021. Her short fiction has been published in magazines such as Glimmer Train, Day One, and The Pinch. She was born and raised in the mid-Atlantic region, before stints in NYC and LA returned her to her rightful home of DC where she’s lived for most of her adult life. She has a PhD in Social Psychology, where she studied intergroup relations, ideology, and quantitative methods. She blogs irregularly about writing, horror movies and pop culture/terrible TV. She enjoys existentialism and puppies.
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Vera joined Abigail on Zoom to discuss her thrilling new book NEVER SAW ME COMING and its accurate portrayal of people with Psychopathic traits.
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Thank you this very meaningful and interesting conversation. I appreciate you both!
As someone studying psychology at uni and writing a novel containing psychopaths this was so interesting. Thank you both!
Whats the novel called 🙂
Interesting analysis. I don’t find that having a partner with psychopathic traits to be very amusing; it can be quite psychologically damaging in a long run .The site of having a person holding your pet by the skin and having a hysterical laughter of pleasure while seeing your dog crying is heartbreaking. The recklessness, excessive boredom, duplicity, and disregard for someone’s safety will eventually come thru. It is almost like an itch they can’t control!
It does come out/shine through eventually, 100%.
I recently broke up with someone because it didn't feel right.
Every sign pointed to psychopathy, so I left as safely as I could.
From a sociopathic point of view ( less psychopatic than the average more of an 'inbetweener' ) stimulants and mood stabilizers are fine. But as for neuroleptics ( what you call antipsychotics) they made me both homicidal and suicidal in just 4 days of use and I just stopped them so please don't even mention them. Not good for psychopaths Not good for sociopaths. We are same addicted to dopamine as you are and neuroleptics cut that down. You also have to understand that many psychopaths/sociopaths do have comorbidities and they act out same bad as in 'neurotypicals'. You know what ? Understanding antisocial disorders is good and all but STOP trying to impose change brain structure and chemestry in those 'antisocial' people as long as they are not really that dangerous. I think that you don't study sociopathy a lot but it is often comorbid with depression and cutting down dopamine only makes all worser.
Stop? What good would that do? They have to try things in order to treat things. That’s science. Shitty some things won’t help or make things worse but that’s the way it is.
1000% sounds sociopathic to want to change someone’s brain even when they do no harm Jaír because they don’t fit society, th is is how we know many professors and scientists are sociopathic because that is self serving
Great channel
Absolutely loved this book it was spectacularly written
This was fascinating
Great interview
I loved the book, the only thing I didn't get was when Charlie said he doesn't feel disgust. lol there is nothing wrong with our olfactory system, we feel disgust just like neurotypicals. I think whoever said they don't might have led you by the nose, pardon the pun. Maybe it's just made up and I'm nitpicking but it was kind of a turn off considering the rest was accurate.
We (society) have a pathological obsession with psychopaths
This is more like the book author interviews psychopathy researcher rather than the way around lmao. Not that I complaining tho.
What about psychopathy from a psychodynamic point of view, psychoanalytical in terms of developing various defense mechanisms like omnipotence and stuff like that?
James Fallon, The Psycopath Inside? Have you read or contacted him?
Spoiler alert but...
The book didn't really make much sense tbh. It was almost like psychopaths were being idealised/idolised. Every horrible thing that they did seemed to be minimised as though it wasn't actually as bad as it was. For example: The main character took justice into her own hands and literally murdered and burnt a body because she was raped, but when a non-psychopathic character tried to do the exact same thing (taking justice into her own hands) by trying to kill people who had done wrong and murdered others, she was vilified and made out to be really bad/evil person. It literally made no sense and seemed to be told only from the illogical point of view of a psychopathic individual who can only see the world through their own world view/eyes.
I think a lot of these modern writers tend to idealize or even glamorize the psychopath. There’s a book called “The wisdom of psychopaths” and I understand what it was trying to do, and some of the chapters did make sense in a way but it inevitably ended up glorifying them and basically said that they are smarter and more evolved than regular people. That’s how I read it anyway.
@@fromunderthekilt6310 I’ve read it too. I can understand how u could end up feeling like it glorified them. I guess it did in some ways but then it’s backed with studies and science. It’s a 100% sure psychopath are more capable in certain jobs and maybe managing their “emotions”. So yeah you could say it glorifies them because the author mostly talk about the “good” sides of it. But the purpose of the book isn’t to put them on a pedestal, it’s for neurotypical people to try to learn from them and implements those good things in their lives. There is an entire chapter about 2 guys living in a high security psychiatry facility so this isn’t really glorifying. They don’t glorify psychopaths, they’re more explaining how some psychopathic traits could be a good thing to use in your everyday life.
Finally I guess you’re still a bit right, the author states his father was probably psychopathic and he’s still in admiration of this paternal figure so he could be biased.
Research shows that brain of psycopath the amygdala is 13 - 18% smaller//brains are structurally different from neurotypicals?
1.2 stars out of 5. Terribly written book.
oh this is the channel where the "im such a psychopath" people come for affirmation. neat.
I personally think the book was fine if the whole revenge plot wasn't there. I don't know why Chloe wanted so badly to get revenge on the guy who raped her, revenge plots are usually motivated by intense emotions and a need to get back at a person which if she was actually psychopathic she shouldn't really have had. She was a little pretentious but I think that would have been ok if there wasn't a whole revenge plot completely contradicting the fact she had little emotions and smaller amygdala.
(I didn't actually read the whole book, just the first ten or so pages, so do as you will with my opinion)
That's actually not true at all. People with psychopathy absolutely 100% can have a very deep seated need to exact revenge when they feel they have been wronged in some way. Some are indifferent to it, but that is definitely not the case with all of us. A huge misconception is that people with psychopathy are devoid of emotion, or have an inability to feel emotion, and that's not the case at all. You have an obvious lack of understanding of what an actual psychopathic individual is like.
My son is obsessive about “getting back at people” it’s one of the strongest driving forces of his behaviors. Sometimes he will even make up a situation like that to give him a reason to get back at someone.
@@VioletHeyokaI'm sorry, is your son diagnosed with Conduct Disorder or Oppositional Defiant Disorder and Callous Unemotional traits?
@@JDdr86 depends on what doctor we are talking to. All agree he has adhd, some say autism, some don’t, Therapist agrees with psychiatrist on the CD with Calus, unemotional traits looking at a future APD diagnosis. When he goes to the phyc ward (he’s been baker acted or 5150’d for some states several times) they say ODD. I feel like they down play his behaviors mostly because they don’t spend enough time around him to get past the manipulation stage game he plays. I agree with his doctors that know him for years. He finds something he wants and will do anything to get it including hurting people/lying/manipulating which I feel he gets a high from, and once he gets it he doesn’t care about it anymore and finds a new target. He gets angry if anyone asks him how he would feel if someone did what ever behavior he’s doing to him, it’s been a rage trigger for him since age 6 along with the word no. Sometimes he will demand something he knows is impossible to obtain just for the rage/fight cycle. He can’t make or keep friends, no one wants to be around him including our family, it’s really tough. It’s just him and I at home and he comes home from school and throws all his negativity and angry from the day directly at me. He has physically hurt animals, other children, his grandmother, draws machine guns and violent scenes (he’s never seen anything like that in person and is very limited on his tv watching, no internet/socials. I could go on and on.