The Real Reason Disney is in Trouble
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Disney has had a terrible year--but why? Why have their stories stopped resonating with the public. In this video, we examine Ahsoka, the Marvels, and Wish--and the one problem they all share.
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Written by Bevin / bevinbatspice
Edited by Lee Mazzio and Ethan Lavinsky
Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
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Doug giving you the watch was so adorable! And yes: Holzkern watches are great, I have 7 of them!
Going to have to call you out on this one, you pretty much admitted in your read you can’t afford one and the one they sent you is solely for the purposes of the video. Not blaming you, gotta pay the bills, I just think it’s funny when sponsors don’t understand their demographics.
It appears that anyone can be bought. How much did Disney pay you to make this video?
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Covid/Streaming has most definitely killed going out the movies. I mean 1 ticket alone is like 12-13 bucks and thats with choosing senior😂
My wife tried to watch these shows with me but quickly lost interest because she didn't know their back stories. She noticed that the common theme for all of them was lazy writing and made it rely on new viewers to do the research; catering to a small demographic. She felt the shows weren't interesting enough to do further research.
nailed it there.
Lazy writing is a huge issue. Maybe they aren't paying their writers enough or giving them enough time. But Ashoka was terribly written. Their motives made no sense, the unfleshed out side 'bad guys' made no sense, they shuffled the main plot around a few times and there was ABSOLUTELY NO STAKES. How come Sabine never got in trouble? How come Ezra didn't question further? How did they basically end up in the same spot as they started? Clone Wars and Rebels are masterpieces in comparison. Sorry to steal your comment to rant but yikes it was so disappointing.
yeah, i had pretty much the exact same experience with my partner watching all the marvel / star wars stuff lately
Good writing/character arcs don't need backstory. If it's well written, folks will watch it because they give a crap what's going to happen to a given character.
@@techniqueswithtodd Agree. I cared a lot about most of the characters in Andor.
I’m surprised you didn’t bring up how Loki s2 was both their best received and most character driven project this year. Honestly if I looked at Loki purely on a plot level I’m kinda meh but the character ending was so good I can overlook plot holes and such.
They refuse to learn from Loki. Loki was a risk. Disney hates risk. They also hate letting a talent team go their own way. Their adherence to management meddling means they will never excel now that they are the establishment not a new risk.
Loki plot was great too frankly. Hiddleston literally wrote a lot of it since he is an expert on Loki
I hear nothing but good stuff about Loki and loved it myself. You don't need any homework to watch it, the whole plot is a 'prep' for the next movies but the true focus of the story is the characters and their place in the system, how they respond to it, the relationships between them etc. Disney probably didn't expect it to do well at all, just be a bit of a 'milk this popular character' project as a vehicle to explain the upcoming Kang story. But we got so much more, and you don't even need to know who Loki is. In fact apart from Loki and Kang, every other character in that show is brand new to us. And there's a lot of characters, and I cared about all of them. To me, if disney don't at least give us a TVA show to continue those characters that'll be the last scrap of evidence I need that they're ruining things on purpose.
@@mzaiteThis!!! Loki and Wanda Vision were big risks but they’re biggest hits! Loki especially gave the writers and team the opportunity to take us away from Earth and show us new things in a Marvel show! I just wished they let him use his powers more often.
Agree. Loki S2 was deep in character development. I am now super invested in Loki!
Okay, I really enjoyed this one!!! I really prefer these analytical ones over your speculative ones!!! THANKS for this, Doug and Ryan!!!!
I think one of the biggest factor is Disney+
Absolutely. Disney+ created an internal conflict of interest
If they waited for a year, I think it might put pressure on movie sales.
not the sh!t scripts, stories and characters then....anything else is just cope and excuses at this point.
@@adriandenton6637there is definitely a relation, how much can be debated. But the pressure for 24/7 content will debilitate any creative team. They need to cut that loss and go back to license agreements with a few specials delivered via +. Problem now is who wants to license the stuff, they’ve deleted their audience. But the push to drive + definitely was a huge factor, additionally it was the enabler, which is worse.
I honestly cancelled mine we pay $11 here in Canada. It wasn't worth it. (also, I'm savvy, so I know ways to watch things for *ahem* free if need be).
Doug trying to get the best gift for his friend has better character development and heart then any Marvel show since Marvel End Game.
Guess you haven't watch Loki TV show. Its one of the best character develop story since Endgame
@@MERCHIODOS Loki was fine, Doug commercials are better plot wise
It's an integrated ad
It’s funny because it’s true 😂
no diversification killed the superhero genre. Cookie cutter blue beetle copied black panther, Aquaman copied black panther, the marvels copied guardians. Captain marvel copied force awakens. Josstice league copied Batman and Robin. Shazam 2 copied josstice league. Ms marvel, secret invasion and falcon and winter soldier copied cw, which copied Buffy, the vampire slayer, which copied Adam West batman. What kinda of results did Disney and WB expect?
Not just Disney, but many times now the stories that are being told are trying to set up the next story, without wrapping up their own story. I loved Moon Knight, because it was a self contained story. The first two season of The Mandalorian were great as its own corner of the universe, and then it got super messy. because it wanted to be interconnected.
Studio Ghibli creates great standalone stories. I can pick and choose what movie I want to watch and when I want to watch it. They aren't all tied together, and I can enjoy each one for what they are.
Honestly, I wish Asha had to learn that all wishes shouldn’t be granted leading to the final solution of returning the wishes to the people to work towards them on their own, but no, she had that idea at the beginning having inexplicably changed her mind between scenes.
I agree with you that the content hasn’t been focused enough on the characters. I’d also add that it hasn’t focused enough on the world of the story. Instead, as you said, they’ve focused on the plot of the phase/saga, and that’s no replacement for character development or world building.
We all know about character development, so I’ll throw in some of my examples of what I think of when it comes to world building examples: Andor & Rogue One, Lord of The Rings, The Sandman, and Dune. I think all of those, while they have character narratives, do an amazing job of making me feel like I’m in the world with them, instead of getting me to slot into one of the characters in the story.
I’m bad with words.
Edit: Definitely think a good movie has balance as you said. Eternals as a series would have been a better choice. Anyone know if there’s gonna be more stuff like The Sandman?
The issue is they want to hold on to IP for a thousand years, and not let anything end and create anything new
Most of Disney IP are public domain. Last year in 2022 Disney released their live action remake of Pinocchio, there was also 2 Pinocchio films released that year as well, with one made by Guillermo Del Toro.
@Yo_mamma_fight @@MERCHIODOS Maybe the original comment meant things like getting yet another "Toy Story" (or worse, "Buzz Lightyear") movie or yet another "Frozen" movie or all the live-action remakes. There's a lot of sequels/re-dos.
A focus on the characters with an acceptable plot that touches upon social or personal issues is why I loved Loki, Wandavision, Captain America and Winter Soldier, The Mandalorian, and Moon Knight series.
moon knight was really well performed.
the story was not up to my taste but i loved the split personality trait and how it was shown.
really awesome made. even with "the flaws" in my opinion - i watched the show till the end and liked it.
One simple reason is the price of everything is increasing, so ppl are more hesitant to spend their hard earned money on mediocre, cash grab products.
I think Disney + has them focused more on quantity than quality
It's no coincidence, the Character driven Loki has been the most well received of the entire Phase 4+.
You did a great job of laying out Disney's mistakes with projects like the Ahsoka series, the Marvels, and the Eternals. Captivating character introduction films and heart-string-tugging character arcs that help us become more invested in their growth & future in the MCU has been lacking. Maybe they should just turn Deadpoool 3 into a full on Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe and start over from scratch afterwards.
Except missing the part how Sabine was manipulated by Baylan Skoll.
Disney's problem is corpo interference, instead of focusing on telling a good story they are tailoring movies to metrics, they are movies/shows made for marketing with references, easter eggs, cliches tropes, memes, etc. If something is trending on the tiktok or whatever it gets shoehorned into the script.
Worse, I think they were at a point where they thought no matter what they put out they were just laying golden eggs, and stopped putting the work in.
Monopolies and near-monopolies be like that.
Created and thought up by marketing.
As a Disney fan and “Disney adult” I really am saddened by the turn the company has taken in almost all facets. They really have taken the shortest cheapest route for everything. You see it from the studios down to the attractions and theme parks. EVERYTHING they do I can’t help but look at what they could have done better and the choice they made was to save money or to not take risks creatively. It’s become so rote, formulaic, predictable. Everything looks like a cash grab.
This guy truly understands what's been going wrong with the company, and probably for the other big studios like Warner Bros.
They're too afraid to take risks.
@@tonymata8070Warner bros are doing just fine.
@@redline29 They're literally in debt, but not just because of Zaslav.
The past individuals who were in charge were bleeding money on a lot of projects that either wound up getting unmade or bomb at the box office, and let's not forget the whole mess that was the same release strategy with HBO Max and theaters.
A great idea in the beginning, but ended with some issues among creatives and such.
Just remember, everything coming out now was under Chapek's run. The pipes still have to be purged.
This might be a hot take, but I'd argue that closing the Galactic Starcruiser is an example of that. Putting aside some of the criticisms regarding where in the timeline it is set (which I admittedly at first was not thrilled with) and the way they mismarketed it as a 'hotel' - it was one of the coolest things I've ever done and a really creative, innovative and unique experience that really was a rare type of experience when it comes to story immersion, improv and the attention to detail was insane (all 4 of us had totally unique experiences). We took our kids and I was skeptical, but the day we 'disembarked' we were already talking about how we could make another trip happen in a few years and what story paths we might pick, and then they announced it was closing. I really, really wish they could have let it recover from some of the initial covid/economy related slowness and allowed word of mouth to catch up, and maybe retooled some aspects to also allow for some smaller package options that were more accessible. It's kind of a hard sell at first for people who aren't really accustomed to stuff like role playing and LARPing, but that is really the niche they should have marketed to.
I remembered going into "Infinity War" and "Endgame" and having every death hit me like a ton of bricks. I cared about every one of the characters in the 2 movies. But that's because the franchise took 11 years and some 20+ movies to get me to that point: to care what happens to them. To recreate that for a new lineup is a tall task. And to do it within the span of only 3-4 years and with a string of TV series is daunting, especially when the plot is central to the shows while the characters take a back seat. It's rare to have a show do a proper character study, like with Shang Chi or Loki. But it shows that when you have writers and directors that focus on establishing the characters first, later on when you bring the plot into it, moviegoers will actually care about the films they're seeing because of their investment in the stories behind who those heroes and villains are. The MCU can still do it right. Retooling their lineup and slowing down are good steps in righting that direction.
In regards to Ahsoka, if I remember correctly, Huyang basically told her to go about training her a different way… she mentioned her attachment early on and may have been trying to correct it. But with Huyang’s suggestion, she may be leaning more into the Grey Jedi training. I just wish that was explored more.
If we could focus on deeper story telling, better character development, and stop retelling the same stories and slapping a different skin on it with a new title, I believe the House of Mouse can really turn it around.
I made my younger sister watch house of mouse even tho the show is like made in 2008
I didn’t even know wish had open. I feel like they didn’t really do a good job at promoting the movie. And I wonder if it has anything to do with the strike
Same, I feel that way about a few of the Disney shows that weren't highly viewed, while ahsoka & Ms marvel were airing I was seeing mandalorian advertised. Never really saw advertising for recent marvel movies like the marvels or quantumania. There's other factors too, but a Disney release shouldn't be a surprise, I had no idea wish was out
@@TheJoygazmic yep!I’m just a big mcu fan so i knew the marvel was out. But If I wasn’t up to date on it. I would of definitely missed it like. Wish. Hopefully they go back to promoting and red carpets after the whole strike deal is done
@@Ironhart agreed, same here, my family are typically really excited about anything Disney, and we see lots of movies in theaters, don't recall even seeing the wish trailer prior to this video.
you just tickled the musical monster in me with Mulan, I had to go listen to the songs from the classic Mulan, Hercules and Tarzan. Such great movies whith the characters and the plots enveloped in amazing soundtrack
Plots are simple to come up with. Get characters from Point A to Point B. Writing fleshed out characters with consistent motivations and flaws that will service that plot is much more difficult. They have to slow down and take longer. When you are overly focused on getting more content out, plot is easy.
Excellent episode. You might say, it was a mini-masterclass in screen writing, especially on what to do and what not to do.
And look at the better Disney films of the past year- Guardians III and Elemental. People already trusted the Guardians franchise to continue to deliver meaningful character-driven narratives, and it delivered. People didn’t trust Elemental to do the same, so they didn’t rush to go see it. But once word of mouth got out, the box office caught up. And that movie also spent a lot of time on characterization.
Two out of about ten. This is just sounding like cope at this point.
Elemental was a box office flop.
@@davidsamuelson2089 my kids started streaming it and were like "no" to Elemental
@@davidsamuelson2089$495 million is a flop? It was such a good movie.. I liked the Mario movie but Elemental was a better story all around
They are afraid to write a female character with a single character flaw.
As a woman myself it's pretty apparent that all humans are equally flawed, Imperfections are what make us feel like people and not robots y'know?
Yep and they think tearing down the male heroes will automatically prop up the female heroes. She hulk shitting on Hulk, Valkyrie and female Thor taking centre stage and making actual Thor a bumbling fool, Antman is a punching bag for all the women in his life, even his teenage daughter. Disney are getting what they deserve
That type of thinking is what’s killing the MCU. It’s fantasy and fantasy fiction is meant to help you build and us the imagination. And I hate to say it but we live in a country where people think Joe Biden is dead and is now being portrayed by James woods 😂 if that’s how people in these days deal with reality, it’s no wonder that people can’t accept fantasy fiction for what it is. It’s like fantasy has swapped places with reality and people that have no grip on either are starting to bring the rest of us down.
@@Adi-qj6ciyou need help, For real.
@@rickdiaz2629I think you need help reading properly
While I do think you make valid points here I think the biggest issue facing the Star Wars & Marvel aspects of Disney is that they have stayed simple and formulaic while their audience has grown up. The MCU's been a thing for over 15 years and while it's not shy about patting itself on the back for its successes it's made no effort to evolve with its core fanbase. A kid who's 10 when Iron Man 1 comes out is now in their mid 20's and bored with getting the same rote experience.
So go elsewhere. It's okay. Don't let the door hit ya
@@floepiejanepeople are allowed to have opinions, that's the point of this video in the first place. Don't be weird.
@floepiejane hmm... file this under not helpful.
Great analysis. As someone that watches everything, it’s hard to step back and realize that not everyone has watched ALL the content. I love the points about the original avengers and how we were with them through so much. We definitely don’t have that in these new movies. It’s like…these movies are not just plot driven based on the events of the 1 movie we’re watching, but plot driven based on the events of 7+ movies coming in the future.
Let's start with the fact that they opened a Star wars resort at Hollywood studios: for a wopping 5 grand per stay. That's a heck of a statement for company and consumer disconnect.
Am i the only one that teared up just a little when Doug got the watch for Ryan? I dont think ive seen an ad read that got me like that since those thai commercials that went viral years ago! Doug is just such a good lil guy!!😭
Ryan should reciprocate and get Doug a gift. The Dough plushie doll would be perfect I bet Doug would love it and not hate it at all.
I honestly feel bad for marvel ,and Lucas film because they're doing these things because of disney.
In a previous SC video, Ryan answered to Disney+ problem.
The thing is that with movies, if they are not satisfied with the writing or directing or anything else, they can do reshoots and delay the release date by a month or so.
But streaming apps like Disney+ and Netflix have a pre-determined release date. So if they creator is not satisfied with the end result, he cannot delay the project and do a better job.😢
I thought that Ashoka was cautious of training Grogu because of her bad experience training Sabine. But the story of the show made her realize that it wasn’t jus true attachments that was the problem
Always enjoy these videos and the points are spot on. Double win for using Noises Off footage!!!
I mean people just aren’t going to cinemas anymore plain and simple.
If that was true then how did Mario Bros make a Billion dollars at the cinema?
Bro not every is on the couch like you. People still go to cinema
It's great to go over the possibilities of why Disney isn't doing well, and there are certainly many reasons including those described here. But for me it's just been straight up about bad writing across the board. Almost consistently bad. Shows like Andor and Loki are the exceptions that prove the rule. For the most part, the FX departments do very well, as do the various casts, but oftentimes the writing is insultingly dumb and getting worse, while at the same time Disney wants more money for their service.
THIS!
We appreciate your insight as always ryan keep working hard.
I dont feel like I get reasons to watch films in the cinema for the most part. Things are so saturated that to watch one thing, you have to commit to not watching everything else, which raises the bar. I don't think it's good enough anymore to just be like "it's the new X product". Ok? And? I've got stuff to do, and you're expecting me to pay to sit for three hours to maybe like something?
It's hard to feel like I need to hurry to watch something when they've already announced 10 more movies and shows over the next 5 years.
Would you consider this effect more the responsibilities of the creative teams or a consequence of too much or too little oversight?
The creative teams definitely have the passion for most of the shows they work on. I have a feeling it’s mainly due to the higher ups getting more distracted by formulas and shortcuts.
i agree@@geoffreyrichards6079
I actually though Ahsoka was against training Grogu BECAUSE she failed with Sabine. She changes her mind and decides to give Sabine a second chance.
ohh noo someone changed there minds after an experience
“Person, you gotta get rid of this thing” literal LOL.
Great video essay! I enjoyed this piece thoroughly.
I liked The Marvels but I can see how it would have been totally confusing if you hadn’t seen Ms. Marvel and WandaVision where Monica’s character arch (that Ryan brought up) is told.
This is true, though channels like SC made videos for people to get caught up with before the movie came out. They get traffic to their content by the fact that not everyone watched those shows.
1. As a long-time Disney fan, what's been happening at the forefront and behind the scenes is frustratingly heartbreaking to say the least.
I seriously, seriously, seriously, seriously hope that they can turn things around next year and beyond.
2. (10:24)
Challenge accepted, Ryan!
They are Sprite, Makkari, Cersi, Gilgamesh, Thena, Druig, Kingo, Phastos, Ikaris & Ajax.
Easy peasy, lemon squeezy!
Disney issues aside, HOW CUTE IS DOUG? I swear i watch these videos for updates on all my nerdy needs but COME ON, i watch the videos just as much to see what Doug is going to do. So freaking cute with the story of him giving Ryan a present.
This channel makes me happy!
Thanks to you and all the staff for the great content
As someone who lives and works in Central Florida, can’t wait to hear this…
Speaking of Florida, have you seen the GTA6 trailer?
Very insightful analysis of the state of Disney, I sincerely HOPE they can turn things around! I was hoping that Wish would have a good turnout, but ... well I for one didn't see it, I guess, because it looks like it was made for Gen Z, like it is concentrating more on checking boxes than telling a story. I want them to go back to telling fairy tales and stories about mythology.
Actually, yeah, I think those stories worked so well because they're ones we're all familiar with on some level and know what to expect, but also they're strong enough to have lasted centuries. Like, I'd love to see a Disney movie about Theseus exploring the labyrinth and fighting the Minotaur, or maybe a film adaptation of Clever Hans, or Hansel & Gretel.
You nailed it. You know what's wrong with Disney and articulated it in a way that was so compelling that I sat through your internal ads to follow your arguments to their logical and well-expressed conclusions.
Great work.
Wow you guys are so good at this... Another great fair honest critique and analysis... Seriously, Cheers...👏🏾👏🏾🥳🥳
Disney writing bad characterizations started with JJ Abram's The Force Awakens, so it is kind of Kennedy's fault for approving it.
Reys not a character, shes just an avatar for young girls. The rest are just men running around for her to make her look good.
Hope disney will learn correctly sometime soon.
You hit the nail on the head. The only characters in Ahsoka that I was really interested in were Baylon and Morgan. They had emotional presence and the plot actually made sense for their actions. I likewise enjoyed the Guardians Holiday special and Werewolf by Night the most in phase 4 because it wasn't universe ending stakes. They were fun stories where the plot existed as a setting to the characters, not the characters existing to service the plot. Nice watch by the way.😊
6:18 I think Ahsoka didn’t want to train Grogu because he was so powerful in The Force and, if he turned to The Dark Side he would be a very formidable and long-lasting threat to The Light Side. Whereas with Sabine, we never really get a reason why she is trying to train her, but one thing is clear Sabine sucks at a The Force (apparently until the plot needs her to do something big).
You would think that would be worse though. A barely good at the force clueless would be easily suckered to the easy fast reward of the dark side. Sure she wouldn't be a Dragon level threat, but she would be a formidable hench goon. Tiger level at least like whats her fuck in Obi-Wan.
She tried and failed at training Sabine before Grogu came along so her statement makes sense. She was reluctant to start training her again.
But as he said, a huge percentage of people who wanted to watch and understand the show didn't want to watch the 130 odd episodes of animated content to understand their motives.
@@adriandenton6637 that doesn't apply. That's from Mando and the show itself. That has nothing to do with the cartoons
@@KnightRaymund OK kinda makes sense. But most viewers knew nothing about Sabines and Ashokas relationship.
@@adriandenton6637 they didn't have much of a relationship in the previous shows. What we see and are shown in Ahsoka is the extent of it. Not saying it couldn't have been done better but all the shows would do is give more general background on those characters and that's true of any character that's been in previous media.
This is what drives me insane about this channel. Every episode you espouse how great everything is, but then a few months after, you put out a video how bad it is and how it can be fixed! You all do this for almost every series !
Exactly. He panders to whatever people want to hear at the time. Dude is a shill.
What an insightful vid. Also, 15:30 is my favorite part. Doug is a treasure!!
Talk about an age old problem: Go with the same old characters and stories and people complain about lack of originality. Try something new and people whine you didn’t tell the exact story they imagined. Disney needs something new to build on and play out. Like the original cartoons in the 90s. Then Star Wars and Marvel in the 00s and 10s. I like the current MCU but this notion/expectation that every film needs to be as successful as an Avengers film hamstrings them.
The reason YOU'LL never admit Ryan: Their Damn PRINCESS AGENDA!
Facts
Princess agenda?
Especially with how Kennedy is running Lucasfilm, time and time again she has proven to all of us that she's incapable to run a company.
And it's not because she's a woman btw, she's poor at handling the creative and business side of things.
I mean, look what happened to the Star Wars brand and let's not forget Indiana Jones. It's time that we find two people who can run the creative decisions and business side of Lucasfilm.
@@Mgidynasty- I don't understand this statement too.
@@tonymata8070 She literally admitted in a video I saw that she was turning SW into something for GIRLS, no one listened, now it's too late.
$200B in debt…come on people, keep filling those parks.
You do such a fun job of selling Doug as a character that it just now occurred to me that you probably just use the same 5 second video clips of him over and over with updated voice dubbing. That dog has the best gig of anyone at Screen Crush.
This might be one of the best videos Screencrush has done!
It's especially nice hearing this from Ryan who has experience in screenwriting
But Ryan, what are some examples of things Disney coukd do to improve on that in their current situation?
how many times can you contradict yourself?...Disney problem is "they lean more into the plot and less into the characters"...yet Ahsoka didn't gain followers yet is is completely character driven story.....which one is it?
Disney sucks cos they regurgitate the same story, pander and slap their core viewbase in the face.
He literally spends three and a half minutes explaining how Ahsoka was plot-driven, not character-driven.
To be honest there is no story and no character story in that show its empty and soulless
There are only so many stories to tell. Just learning that?
They have us waiting 2 to 4 YEARS for shows that only last 8 episodes, with runtimes of less than an hour per episode, and more often than not end on a cliffhanger. There's no payoff for the viewer whatsoever.
The biggest problem with Ahsoka wasn't the acting, it wasn't the visuals, it wasn't the story. The problem was that the short runtime and slow pacing meant the show hit its stride in the second-to-last episode. They just aren't giving us enough material to really get invested in.
Almost every Disney+ show is criminally badly paced. Loki is the only exception.
@@mzaite "Andor" was well paced too, once you realize it's split into 3-episode story arcs
@@andyb1653 I felt like they could trim out most of an episode for each arc. Sometimes it felt like they were intentionally drawing things out to hit a cliff hangar point.
@@mzaite Andor was actually 4 mini-movies. When you watch the series with that in mind, the pacing was actually brilliant. That's why the action-heavy episodes (the conclusions of each arc) hit so hard. For example, the Aldhani heist wouldn't have been nearly as intense without the 2 episodes of buildup beforehand.
These guys knew exactly what they were doing.
One word. Andor. Some of the best content Disney has put out lately.
I think Ryan and Bevin nailed it in your assessment. Very good points!
There is not enough competent writers that’s a big problem (especially for Marvel movies recently)
Frankly, this is what is driving most people into anime. Compelling stories, characters, real growth.
Most people? I’m 42 years old and I’ve never watched anime.
@@PlannedObsolescence a majority of people my age are, I’m 35. At least men of my generation are looking for these types of stories. This is my opinion, but one based on the failing comic book numbers and the explosion of manga and anime sales in the US. Those numbers don’t lie
I dunno… A good chunk of anime, I feel, has this exact same problem.
you're a sane one then. Animations that sexualize minor coded characters is disgusting and only the younger generation is indoctrinated into this form of "art". @@PlannedObsolescence
Great breakdown. I also flagged the complete lack of Ahsoka's character development as the show's main issue. And to reinforce the point, Elemental was heavily character driven and presented a flawed main character. And it was one of the best Disney films in YEARS. But it barely received any marketing and got drowned in the sea of mediocre projects.
I think you really hit the nail on the head with this video. Unrelatable characters and plots without stakes are ruining Disney and possibly even others.
The moment they get writers who are primarily interested in telling quality stories with relatable, interesting characters the quality will improve. Unfortunately, a lot of writers are more interested in being political activists than they are telling good stories.
Well this was a extremely surface level analysis of Disney's currently problems.
Eye roll. And what would your deep analysis be?
@@TimeByPinkFloyd They have other issues , and every one knows it . If not a quick search on google will cure ones curiosity
Well this was an extremely surface comment that contributes nothing to the conversation
A thoughtful look common criticism of recent features and where that trend of discontentments has its roots. Well done.
You are absolutely correct. I don’t know who is pushing to have an onslaught of content instead of quality, but they only hurting their Brand. I think Disney can recover, but only if they can admit that they have a problem without blaming the viewers.
Disney is mainly failing do to not haveing story or character driven content, and focusing on pushing DEI content. If they would put story and character development first, with representation worked in they would be successful. Yet time over time they hire writers and directors based on the ESG boxes they tick over their talent, that need to self-insert and/or push their message above all els and the story is an afterthought at best. It doesn't help that when fans complain about this they in turn get blamed for why the films and shows are failing.
Agreed. The DEI stuff as THE focus is a big problem. Some stuff avoids it.
But look at their biggest flops. All of it really touched it. The sad part is we KNOW they pushed back Snow White due to the overall change they planned on doing. The backlash was incredible. And what’s her face doubling down on her views of men…
That said, they might be burning people out on the two biggest zips of our lifetime. I was six when the original Star Wars came out. Nobody, I mean NOBODY said a thing to you except it was GREAT. With Empire, that changed EVERYTHING. That twist. I still remember coming home with my older brother and his wife said, “How was it.” Instead of gushing, we TOOK her to stand in LINE.
Now? Everything is leaked. I love that you don’t do anything with leaks. Now granted, things with Jonathan Majors MUST be addressed, and that’s fine. But other sites live on the rumors. You couldn’t have hidden the “No I am your father” bit today.
See how good godzilla minus one is..? Low budget, but we have seen monsterverse genre many many times but is one of the best character monster movies of 2023..
I didn't even saw much plot in last disney productions, for me one of the biggest problem I saw was trying, to make everyone satisfied but on wrong fronts, real life politics and race or gender problems, "Let's include everyone so everyone is happy" and then they try to include everyone and show this by literally ABANDONING whole plot and characters personality. I have no problem with some white male superhero becoming a black girl,but man if you don't wanna make us hate this new character you need to give them depth, personality something that drives them forward. I really loved whole racial background in Falcon and the winter soldier, It was very meaningfull for main characters, and what I think was most important it wasn't written just to be there at cost of the quality of whole show, IT MADE IT BETTER.Gave us connection to Falcon and showed us what are his problems as Black superhero literally named after a country which is mainly white.Just write good characters and plot, you can't make everyone satisfied, there will always be someone who's gonna say show is bad in some way or another.If there's real world problem in the show make it meaningfull for character but why make it WHOLE character. There is no people who's personallity is only being gay,trans or something different it's always only part of personality
I blame all the articles from 2010 internet sites like Buzzfeed, Tumblr, and the like for giving them and other companies this checklist mentality.
The majority of Disney's revenue comes from its theme parks. So It doesn't matter if a Disney movie is a box office hit, nor a show. All these media pieces exist solely to invigorate the Disney brand. So taking a few hits in the short term is fine so long as the brand continues growing in the long term
a few billion dollar hits? Its fine.
a very well presented & thought out analysis
What od you think has gone wrong with Disney?
Nothing they still have a lot of great content especially the new Wish movie that was a masterpiece like a lot of
Their other films
Politics makes me stay away not because I care but because it’s messy
No Doug plushie.
I know you won't do it. But doug needs to admit when you go awoke you go abroke
Misguided attempts to appease the Marxist cultural reletivism crowd and push a cultural narrative.
God, Ahsoka the show completely deflated my joy for the character. What a two-dimensional husk of an amazing fleshed out fan favorite. The biggest problem with that show (and The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett) is that Dave Filoni sucks at live action TV. His strengths are in animation. He should really step back and let someone else take the role of director and showrunner for these projects. But something tells me his ego won’t let him. He’s on the same path to the dark side as his master before him, Darth Lucas.
I’m guessing live-action just isn’t the right medium for Star Wars overall.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 Are you a bot?
@@BluishGnome Why would you think that?
@@geoffreyrichards6079 Just your overly generalized statement that ignores the 45 year history of a franchise that massively impacted our global culture not only in film but literature, animation, gaming, fashion, and music, if not more. A franchise that started as a set of live action films widely regarded as classics in space fantasy cinema history. It's true that there have been a lot more misses than hits (much like a Stormtrooper,) but Rogue One, Andor, and The Mandalorian season 1 are prime examples of live-action Star Wars done right. Saying that live-action isn't the right medium for Star Wars overall sounds at best surprisingly ill-informed and at worst like a scripted comment. The problem is the people helming the boat, not the boat itself.
@@BluishGnome I dunno. It feels like animation manages to capture that fantastical tone of the series far better than live-action generally does. The latter feels like it’s held back by limitations.
The character development with Doug was a perfect demonstration of the message you were trying to convey 😂
I think that annoyed me the most is the mutants reveal - first mention in FOUR YEARS was on the least viewed Disney+ show of all time as a post credit scene.
Also, the clear push for a young avengers even before another avengers is even considered is just terrible leadership and corporate dictatorship all over it.
Pause 2 second in. The problem is Disney keeps pandering to such a tiny minority that they're pissing off a karger group that rather have a good story. Disney doesnt know how to read a room anymore. I don't want to bring a politics or any sensitive issues to the for front... Butttt..... Disney needs to let go of letting their lgbtq wtf employees that are getting there way in movies. Sorry not trying to be super rude. I dotn care what people's sexual or political veiws are for the nost part. But JUST BRING BACK GOOD MOVIES AND GOOD STORYS.
Well said. It's very weird that Marvel has forgotten how they got to where they are. Even Pixar too. I think possibly it was the drive for high levels of content for Disney Plus which made the process of development for these films/TV too fast. Pixar used to spend 5 years for each film and only one film per year. And no TV. It was super expensive but it gave us classics that stand the test of time. And from a business perspective, Bob Iger realized this when he purchased Pixar and Marvel and let them do their thing. But now that he's back, will he return to what works? Instead of just cutting.
Nice assessment. Now lets see if they change anything
Wokeness
The REAL problem was covid.
Everything shut down or was slowed down by a year.
Every movie/ Disney Plus show that was made during covid sucked because of limitations of the lockdown.
That started people turning from Disney Plus and the theater,for the most part .
It will take time.
I wouldn't worry so much about Disney, I think they have enough money to get by
Covid wasn't really the main problem the main problem is the bad writing in the stories of these movies and shows
What you said should have made disney+ super lucrative.
Now that people can go back to the parks they are in droves, plus the price to get in is way higher so they ahoukd be making a ton of money. Parks like Universal are killing it. Other movie companies are doing well. By the way it now costs upwards of $150 + $30 park to get into a disney park now so they should be making a lot of money.
This company is hemorrhaging money on all sides fir the same reasons and it has nothing to do with a pandemic.
I thought the biggest mistake with Ahsoka was having Sabine able to use the Force. They took a very well made character and turned her into a Mary Sue.
They didn't need her to be a padawan to explain why Ahsoka would want her along. Her skills in demolitions, engineering, and gunfighting in as a Mandalorian seemed to be enough.
Thank you for this video and talking about the ACTUAL ISSUES plaguing the content.
Nice analysis Ryan(and Doug). I like when you post these types of vids.
Wish was suppose to be a Disney 100 anniversary hallmark? If thats the case, it should have had 2D animation to celebrate its history or have a mix if 2D and 3D. Disney has forsaken its past.
Been thinking about this for a while but basically Disney are like Manchester United. Both have lost/alienated their fanbases, no longer leaders of their industries and have allowed leaks to hamper their businesses. Shocking to witness really.
Poor Man U fans...hahaha..How about 3 relegations in 10 years?
Appreciate you writing a positive take on how to fix Disney while so many others are just bashing it as a trend for views.
The slow decline of bad scriptwriters that began showing up in the 90s has finally reached its apex. Gone are the talented, creative people who gave us great movies and television, cast aside by greedy corporate run studios interested only in the bottom line. They were replaced by cheap, generic graduates of screenwriters schools who offer nothing more than memorized formulas.
I don't ever see it getting any better, certainly not with the big corporate studios. Perhaps the independent filmmakers and writers will usher in a renaissance of entertainment for consumers to explore, but don't hold your breath.
Personally I think this is as good as it's going to get. Thank heaven for DVDs and digital libraries, at least the oldies are still there to show us how great entertainment should be.
I haven't seen one trailer or piece of promotional material for 'Wish' literally never heard of it till this video.
I agree with a lot of your points, but from a writing point it isn't that it's character focused and more that the stories themselves aren't well rounded. plenty of stories are plot/setting oriented and engaging still, like most of lovecraft's stuff and asimov's work, which don't necessarily have strong characters, but archetypes we project further detail onto. so much of the draw of star wars in the first place is all the other worlds and stories that could be taking place in the universe too. it's true we notice when a character isn't flawed, but not because we can't project onto them, but because it just doesn't feel right/complete (which is where a lot of the beef with mary sues comes from). stories are so often escapist and we engage with them as we want to be, not as we are. we like those characters because they accomplish what we hope to, not because we have similar flaws.
aladdin, for example, it's not that he's poor and chooses to lie to jasmine about him being a prince because he wants a chance at this life, which makes people largely uncomfortable or they ignore, it's that in spite of that, he does good things. he's still brave, he still tries hard to make jasmine happy, and he still chooses to turn his back on further gain and free the genie: all things we hope to be in that situation. as many people as say "I'd wish for infinite wishes" say "and I'd free the genie with my last wish too."
the quality in general has gone down and it results in moments like what we're seeing. when the producers are too focused on making money, they tell safe stories, meaning ones that have more nostalgia bait than character work or actual plot. a lot of what you're saying is character work that hasn't been done are also a plot issues and even with shoddy characters, could have been solved with actual plot continuity.
we like to say stories are plot driven or character driver with a good one being both, but it's a simplistic view of what drives a narrative. stories are engines and some are driven entirely by the situation they're inspired by, whether that's how it will play out or how the people thrown in it will react, and that ends up looking like plot or character, but will never feel right if that's how you approach telling one. ahsoka appears to be plot driven, but it's so full of plot holes most of its character moments hit harder that all the plot, and wish was banking on its loveable, adorkable character, but she isn't fleshed out enough to work, so most of its plot beats prove more interesting and make you wish they were followed instead.
I used to go see every Disney movie, Star wars, marvel etc.
I skipped wish
I skipped marvels
I skipped turning red
I skipped strange world
It used to be "you HAVE to see this" because you knew it was going to be awesome. Disney used to never disappoint.
Now they're hit or miss, so I'll wait until it's been out, ask friends who saw it what they thought. Then maybe I'll go.
My buddy loved the marvels but I was still like "meh".
spot on ryan
great job
you and team should get a huge consulting check from this failing media empire
I wonder how other film properties are doing in comparison to Disney. It costs way too much to go to theaters as costs for fundamental things (like food) are through the roof. Some stores are selling gallons of milk for $7. Ridiculous! Going to the movies can easily become $20-$30 if people purchase food and/or drink. It’s not worth it when one can wait and stream at home.
We know the sky is falling. I want to see a video about how Disney was in trouble the decade or more before The Little Mermaid came out and how they got out of it not only to survive but thrive. A video like that ends on a hopeful note and is different from the millions of the Disney is dead videos. None of these brands are dead or dying bc they've been here before and they'll figure out the new landscape and be here long after. No studio is on some box office run. I think people are consuming content different and choosing when to go out in a way the old models can't predict. I bet some of the people writing this stuff wrote stuff we loved in the past. Same for the directors and other creatives. I think they'll adjust just like they did in times before.
Finally a sane person. Thank you.
Just a billion dollars down. So what comes next? What fills the void of post-super hero movies? Will Disney lead on this, I doubt it...What will become of Star Wars when the viewership withers away to a handful of devotees who throw themselves at anything with the Star Wars label on it? Will it nearly go out of business like it nearly did in the 1970s.? Can it come up with ANYTHING creative without worrying about losing millions of dollars? I don't think you have the answers and they certainly don't.
Glad these regular channels is covering this story rather than just the right win angry guys