yeah, I wish we could see a timeline where she lived a happy life with Billy or something or at least escaped Michael and the Cult for a while where she lived in peace
Danielle Harris is absolutely great!! Which is why I hated her role of Annie on rob zombie's Halloween movies ! 🤦but I guess it's what she agreed to do..
@@Chillerllif you hate child actors that means you don’t care what happens to them in the industry, that they want to teach their dreams but have to deal with abuse from the system.
@@josephtapia4384 Whoa I absolutely disagree. Her character and acting was a huge bright spot for those movies, and was really the only character I felt sorry for. People hate that they gave her nude scenes and I don't know how to feel about that, but she pretty much outclassed everyone on the set.
Fun fact: The litte girl who played Jamie grew up to star in Rob Zombie's Halloween as Annie. I hope we see her (the actor) return in the current timeline.
@@shadowlugia9003 it’s rob zombie, it’s got nudity, violence and profanity. Jamie actress wasn’t gonna be the lead, so going based off devils rejects and house of 1000 corpses you figure as a female you’re fodder in some case.
I feel for Jamie I think she was the one of the saddest characters in the series, her parents are dead, it's closest living relative who is a homicidal maniac that wants to kill her and the psychological traumatic and abuse that she suffered for years until her death that's sad to me.
@@mtb5431 one of the main issues was Mustafa Accord he had the rights to the series after John Carpenter left he had a whole bunch of ideas for the series but there was so many horror films Friday the 13th and nightmare on elm Street franchises being made things just weren't going right for Jamie in any direction.
Jamie I think she was the was one of the her parents are dead, it's closets living relative who is a homicidal maniac that wants to kill her and the psychical traumic and abuse that she suffered for years until her death that's sad to me.
Well mostly because of Cult Of Thorn being moostly why Michael goes in frequent killing sprees. Poor Jamie being one of his victims, probably fucking sucked.
Nah, I’d imagine because Michael hadn’t been there in a minute they didn’t think it’s anything serious. I wish Rob Zombie could recreate the scene for the cringe of cursing and potentially sociopathic kids because there are some malicious kids in our youth
@@introvertedextrovertedtraver I know many don’t like his version of Halloween but I loved it. I also enjoyed Halloween Kills. I actually got a little worried they were actually going to kill him off.
@@Kageoni187 Same. The next and final movie, Halloween Ends is going to be the last movie of the Halloween series and the movie that Michael Myers will die once for all.
Honestly, you'd think that right? But no, kids will find anything to make fun of someone for, especially if their family is involved in any sort of incriminating things.
I feel like Laurie didn’t want to get anything to make her sleep at the hospital because she didn’t want to be defenseless. Just my interpretation. Great video!
It was definitely worth terrorizing a child if he could “kill Michael” he just couldn’t complete that task. Look and see the cops were ready to shoot dumb teens trolling as myers, and Michael was killing folks like crazy, loomis was starting to crack and I understand that
@@mtb5431 I think he figured she was dead after being gone for so long. She was 8-9 last he seen her and died at what 15-16? That’s a 6-8 year window so I think after 5 years and no sightings of Michael or thorn he gave up
@@introvertedextrovertedtraver Just like to think he tried. They really did Loomis wrong in H5. Even Donald Pleasence didn’t like how he was written...or H5 in general lol
I had that motherly adrenaline after having my baby evicted (c-section). He was in NICU. I had to go to him, all the nurses were shocked how well I got around after the surgery. That shit is legit.
Even though the original is my fav, I’ve always felt more invested in Jamie and Rachel as protagonists then Laurie. They just had a beautiful bond and we haven’t had anything close to that in any of the sequels.
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Jamie lloyd is definitely my favourite halloween final girl unfortunately she suffered a unjustified fate. I wish after number 4 and 5 her storyline had more better treatment. Instead of just killing her off straight away. She's so sweet and fragile and didn't have a chance to maybe succeed at ending the family curse.
There was still so much potential with her it was very depressing how she was killed off after all she’d been through. The new main characters in H6 weren’t nearly as strong or interesting as Jamie or Rachel. Loomis was still great though.
@@amykanilia8860 I see so many videos these days defending H6....it completely baffles me how anyone who likes H4 can stand to watch that vile movie. Sorry but atmosphere and cinematography are no substitute for characters and the way Jamie is treated destroys any redeemable qualities it may have otherwise. The way things end for Loomis certainly doesn’t help either.
The only good thing about Jamie being written out of continuity (is that Curse of Michael literally never happened) but also that she and Billy never experienced Michael Myers and are living a perfectly happy life.
The only good thing about Curse is Danielle didn’t return so we didn’t have to watch the real Jamie Lloyd be raped and brutally killed. Also that it didn’t kill Paul Rudd’s career.
The actress playing Jamie is so good! Not just for her age but in general; especially among her piers in the Halloween franchise. Her performance is way underrated imo
3:20 Danielle Harris wanted to come back for the 2018 film. If they'd done that a current continuity version of Jamie could still have been Laurie's daughter but not Michael's niece since the 2018 film went back to how it was in the original where Michael and Laurie weren't related.
its really sucky they didn't ask her to come back... she really is the nr.2 of the halloween series. they did her dirty AF. Espc after what they did after H6.
I wish if Jamie had not been written as non cannon, it would have been cool to see her written as John's sister. Laurie's paranoia over John could have been written as having fear of losing one child and afraid the same fate would befall her son.
This was included in an early script for H20, which was eventually scrapped. Laurie reads a newspaper that reports on Jamie Lloyd's death and runs to a school bathroom to throw up before doing her Yosemite obligatory plea.
I know that they killed her in the Rob Zombie's version but I would love if they put her on the new trilogy as a new character. She's such a great actress. Love all of her movies that she's in. And thank you for uploading this video, I was waiting to hear about this character's history for awhile. BTW I wouldn't mind seeing a Video on Candyman. Can u please do it?. 🤗😁😃🙂
Would be awesome seeing Jamie be so understandably cold towards Laurie but stick around out of an obligation to finish off Michael and a sense of protectiveness towards her niece.
I wonder if they bring her back how would they have Jamie not related to Michael cause she is from a seperate timeline the Laurie Strode story she don't have a daughter in the originals Halloween movies.
Jamie's father was that paramedic from Halloween 2, his last name was Lloyd. the guy that slipped and fell on the blood, then passed out in the vehicle sounding the horn.
His last name was never given out canonically. _Lloyd_ was never associated with his first name. He’s never been called “Jimmy Lloyd” except by the fans. There is a theory among fans of the series that Jimmy may be the father of Jamie Lloyd and/or John Tate. The theory has been debunked as far as John is concerned; as for Jamie, it has not been disproved. However, in Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers, Jamie pulls out a photo of herself with her father, who bears little resemblance to Jimmy. The identity of Jamie's father has never been significant to the story. If Jimmy is the father of Jamie, he would also be the grandfather of Jamie's son, Steven Lloyd and the man in the photo could have possibly been her uncle, Jimmy's younger brother Ziggy.
@@mtb5431 hey to let you jamie Lloyd fans know she finally met Jamie lee Curtis on the premiere of Halloween ends and the article said that we can be assured that soon we will see Jamie Lloyd back again in her final showdown with Michael myers
Thank you for this video! Jamie was one of my favorite horror characters when I was a kid, and now as an adult who has dealt with selective mutism, I think I like her even more.
We need at least one more Halloween movie with Danielle Harris playing Jamie. I know we got more of Jamie and more of Danielle Harris but we need the two combined. They could definitely add in another timeline starting from the end of Halloween 5 where we get to see Jamie as a middle aged woman. It may have been unintentional but if you watch the Director's cut of Rob Zombie's Halloween II you kind of get an homage to little Jamie at the end.
I would honestly love to see a video of your explaining the different timeliness as they are. Including the new one I love just relaxing learning more horror related things and that sounds a great hour long video lol
With "motherly adrenaline", it's like with the mother who lifted an entire car to save her child, which is said to have inspired the story about the Incredible Hulk.
The biggest stain on the entire Halloween series is how Jamie’s story ended. She goes through hell for two movies just to get kidnapped,raped, and brutally murdered. Even though H5 was a mess,H6 still could’ve been great if she remained the protagonist and it was just her coming out of hiding to team up with Loomis and finish Michael once and for all. There would even be some emotional tension since she’d be avenging Rachel. That would be more epic then all the Laurie vs Michael showdowns combined.
@@WonderofU95 It would’ve been so much more satisfying too. With Laurie it was just facing her fear of Michael. With Jamie it would be revenge for ruining her life since childhood and killing the person she was closest too. Plus since nearly all of us liked Rachel as well, we’d be very invested in Jamie getting her revenge.
@@taracollins5597 Yeah I heard there was resistance from a lot of people on set but the hack job of a director was to stubborn to listen. Besides Donald Pleasence, I read that Ellie Cornell didn’t enjoy shooting her scenes with him either. Also heard things like he found Rachel’s character “boring”...probably because she was a realistic portrayal of a teen as opposed to the cartoon characters that made up his film.
5:49 After what happened to Ben Tramer Dr Loomis himself put it best in Halloween 6. "You should know that it's not wise to play Halloween pranks on me."
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@@CZsWorld But Professor, while I, too, would have loved to see that, I think we both know that, given this franchise's history... it would have been one of those "good idea, poor execution" situations. But then again, you never know. Danielle Harris was and is great at acting, so at least that part would have been good.
I couldn’t finish this video, not because it sucked, but because I just don’t want to get to the part where she gets brutally murdered. Such bullshit. She’s been done wrong 3 times, poor Jamie and Danielle, they deserved better.
I liked Jamie better then Laurie as a protagonist. She had such a tragic life there was way more emotional investment with her.I wish the series had focused on Jamie growing up to get revenge on Michael for ruining her life and killing Rachel. Now that would’ve been a better final film for Donald Pleasence.
@@mtb5431 Well, I did write a script for an animated movie that's a sequel to H5 where Jamie teams up with Tina and Loomis to kill Michael and the Man in Black resurrects Rachel to use as bait against Jamie. I'll just watch it instead of H6 if I make it.
It always felt that John's story felt incomplete. It would have been cool to see the 4-6 timeline merged into the h20 one. A simple explanation could have been there was a massive cover up or those involved were killed or possibly sworn to secrecy.
They have another alternate timeline version where Laurie didn’t die she faked her death, thinking she was protecting Jamie from Michael and he would leave the family alone, that’s why she gave Jamie the Lloyd last name, if they stuck with that version it could’ve done much better for the franchise, and Laurie could’ve still came back without throwing the franchise all over the place, and still had her grandson from H6 and son from H2O all in one, because Jamie did a great job and so did the son from H2O, the timeline loop threw me off because now only pt1 count and they’re not related all of a sudden
What if Jamie and John were twins? They both appear to have been the same age, born in 1981, her aged 7 in 1988, him aged 17 in 1998. Mr. Lloyd and Mr. "Tate" may have been one in the same. Perhaps Mr. LLoyd and Laurie Strode took John and changed their name to Tate, but Mr. Tate didn't stick around? And perhaps Mr. Lloyd and Laurie put Jamie up for adoption.
I have an idea on how to continue Jamie Lloyd's story and give her a solid conclusion. A new timeline that continues from the 4th film and ignores movies 5 & 6. Here's my pitch: Halloween: Reckoning Set 35 years after the events of H4, Jamie Lloyd (played by Danielle Harris) has moved on with her life and is under the alias of Michelle Becker, who has become a famous horror author. However, she is forced to return to Haddonfield when her adoptive father dies and reunites with her estranged adoptive sister Rachel (played by Ellie Cornell), who still hasn't forgiven her for the death of their adoptive mother, which Jamie still struggles over. However, Michael Myers' reappears, revealed to be responsible for killing their dad in order to lure Jamie out. After an argument with Rachel, Jamie almost leaves until Marion Chambers approaches her and leaves a letter from the late Dr. Loomis, who (in voice over) warns her that the ritual had failed. In a flashback, a young Jamie (recast with a child who looks like young Harris) is incarnated in a children's hospital, where Dr. Loomis (also recast with someone who looks like Pleasance) attempts to save her from the evil of Michael, knowing that she is trying to fight back. He researches the history of Samhain and discovers a way to save Jamie, who is falling to the evil as it slowly consumes her. Michael eventually attacks and kills the staff before getting to Jamie. Attempting a ritual, Loomis has the evil transferred from Jamie and onto him before Michael stabs him. Loomis tries to touch him to gain the rest of the evil within, but Michael sends them out the window before it is completed, although the two survive, with Michael escaping. Years later, Jamie is released back into society but is shunned by Rachel and Haddonfield, with the exception of her adoptive father, who helps get her a new identity. Loomis has himself committed to an insane asylum, where he lives the rest of his days before dying, resisting the evil within. In the present-day, Michael attacks and kills Marion, forcing Jamie to flee. Afraid for her adoptive sister, Jamie goes to warn her and is followed by Michael. The police pursue but are killed by Michael when they reach the house. Jamie finds Rachel but they end up trapped in the basement. Remembering when she absorbed part the evil from her uncle, Jamie approaches Michael and embraces him, fully consuming the evil and leaving him vulnerable. After Rachel escapes, she then sets fire to the basement and collapses the staircase, trapping them. Rachel pleads for her to take her hand from an opening, but she refuses, knowing that the evil is too strong and will eventually take her as it did Michael. Saying goodbye to her and tearfully saying thank you for being her sister, the flames consume Jamie and Michael, killing them. After Jamie's funeral, Rachel tearfully apologizes to her grave and forgives her. In the afterlife, Jamie is greeted by her mother, Laurie Strode (played by Jamie Lee Curtis). The two embrace and walk into the bright light together.
Danielle Harris needs to return to the Halloween franchise. I hope after Halloween Ends in another inevitable reboot as they seem to have robbed us of any chance of Danielle Harris and Jamie Lee Curtis being on screen in a Halloween film together.
ER RN here, bc of short staff due to Covid I went back to work 16 hours following giving birth. Thankfully, it was only for a 16 hour shift & able to enjoy a 6 week maternity leave.
I was today years old when I realized I never knew Jamie Lee Curtis' character had died and this was her daughter. I've watched this movies countless times and never got that detail.
I love your channel and how in depth you go because it blows my mind lol it’s rare there’s stuff I miss and you have found quite a bit I love learning more so I’ve been binge watching
Dig the edits along with the analysis. That psych Dr has always creeped me out. Myers reminds me of Jung's concept of the "shadow" within every human, being so ominous and with Jamie. 👍🏽
It did look like Jamie was going become like Michael but she was able to fight it somehow. We never knew what kind of kid Michael was before he killed his sister.
Sad she only got to live 15 years. Her being killed of right away in Halloween 6 pissed me off so badly. Not only did she not act as Jaime in that movie but the fact she was killed of way too early made me pissed off too. Loomis always looked out for Jaime in halloween 6 he blamed himself for her death. But I think Loomis was traumatized by Michael that's why he quit his job. What I noticed whenever Michael "attacked" Loomis he seemed to go easy on him for some reason. In Halloween 2 he stabbed him slightly not hard enough to kill him., in 5 Michael only stabbed him a bit. Seems he slightly has a care for him cause he never tries to stab him fatally.
I seriously enjoy the way you speak of the lore, you do such justice to these stories, please please make so many more, I've binged these all week at work as a butcher, kind of adds a bit of dark to your great voice. Always stay well CZ, you do an amazing job.
This just makes me go WTF. Jamie lost her parents, got chased and attacked by Michael twice, lost her foster sister, got treated terribly by Loomis and then got kidnapped by Dr. Terence where she was raped and then killed in a very grotesque gory death. Why do the makers of Halloweens 4-6 hate Jamie so much and have to treat this poor girl so terribly? This is one of many reasons why I despise the thorn trilogy in the Halloween series.
Can't be mad a Loomis, I mean Myers is also driving him insane, so yeah he's gonna go to xtreme measures to get Michael and try to end everything. He was dealing with Mike before Jamie was even born🤦♂️
The poor girl had a hard life.
One of the most tragic characters I've felt for.
H6 is simply unwatchable cause of her treatment
Yep me to 🙏🏾
yeah, I wish we could see a timeline where she lived a happy life with Billy or something or at least escaped Michael and the Cult for a while where she lived in peace
Someone should have at least gave her a hug
We need to respect how amazing the actor who plays little girl Jamie her crying and screaming looks so real and genuine especially for a little girl!!
Absolutely. Usually, I don't like child actors but she was amazing.
Danielle Harris is absolutely great!! Which is why I hated her role of Annie on rob zombie's Halloween movies ! 🤦but I guess it's what she agreed to do..
@@Chillerllif you hate child actors that means you don’t care what happens to them in the industry, that they want to teach their dreams but have to deal with abuse from the system.
@@josephtapia4384one of the greatest performances I’ve ever seen.
@@josephtapia4384 Whoa I absolutely disagree. Her character and acting was a huge bright spot for those movies, and was really the only character I felt sorry for. People hate that they gave her nude scenes and I don't know how to feel about that, but she pretty much outclassed everyone on the set.
Fun fact: The litte girl who played Jamie grew up to star in Rob Zombie's Halloween as Annie.
I hope we see her (the actor) return in the current timeline.
Yup........you definitely see her in that version.....😐
@@shadowlugia9003 it’s rob zombie, it’s got nudity, violence and profanity. Jamie actress wasn’t gonna be the lead, so going based off devils rejects and house of 1000 corpses you figure as a female you’re fodder in some case.
yes, Danielle Harris
Rob Zombies version one of the worst movies with Halloween In it's Title.... ,
Besides part 3 season of the witch
@Kaden Coffey Laurie died twice in the franchise & yet still came back... So why can't Jamie return?? I'm lost.
I feel for Jamie I think she was the one of the saddest characters in the series, her parents are dead, it's closest living relative who is a homicidal maniac that wants to kill her and the psychological traumatic and abuse that she suffered for years until her death that's sad to me.
H5 and H6 are just super depressing cause of Jamie’s treatment. It’s frustrating cause there were so many possibilities with her character after H4.
Now i want a 2018 timeline counterpart for John Tate and Jamie.
@@mtb5431 one of the main issues was Mustafa Accord he had the rights to the series after John Carpenter left he had a whole bunch of ideas for the series but there was so many horror films Friday the 13th and nightmare on elm Street franchises being made things just weren't going right for Jamie in any direction.
Jamie I think she was the was one of the her parents are dead, it's closets living relative who is a homicidal maniac that wants to kill her and the psychical traumic and abuse that she suffered for years until her death that's sad to me.
Well mostly because of Cult Of Thorn being moostly why Michael goes in frequent killing sprees. Poor Jamie being one of his victims, probably fucking sucked.
You would think that having Michael as an uncle would make those kids afraid to mess with her.
Nah, I’d imagine because Michael hadn’t been there in a minute they didn’t think it’s anything serious.
I wish Rob Zombie could recreate the scene for the cringe of cursing and potentially sociopathic kids because there are some malicious kids in our youth
@@introvertedextrovertedtraver I know many don’t like his version of Halloween but I loved it. I also enjoyed Halloween Kills. I actually got a little worried they were actually going to kill him off.
@@Kageoni187 Same. The next and final movie, Halloween Ends is going to be the last movie of the Halloween series and the movie that Michael Myers will die once for all.
@@I_AM.JaMarcus , Michael no no no. Lol
I know it has to have a conclusion, but for now let me pretend . Lol
Honestly, you'd think that right? But no, kids will find anything to make fun of someone for, especially if their family is involved in any sort of incriminating things.
It really impresses me how educated you are in every character, and how well researched every single horror history videos are
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I feel like Laurie didn’t want to get anything to make her sleep at the hospital because she didn’t want to be defenseless. Just my interpretation. Great video!
My thoughts exactly
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Yeah, she knew he disappeared and was still out there.
That my instinct
Exactly. That was my impression from the very start: She didn't trust that Michael Myers wasn't still lurking around her.
I swear that Loomis traumatised Jamie waaaaay more than Michael did!
It was definitely worth terrorizing a child if he could “kill Michael” he just couldn’t complete that task. Look and see the cops were ready to shoot dumb teens trolling as myers, and Michael was killing folks like crazy, loomis was starting to crack and I understand that
Then in H6 he’s normal again. I wonder if he even tried looking for Jamie.
@@mtb5431 I think he figured she was dead after being gone for so long. She was 8-9 last he seen her and died at what 15-16? That’s a 6-8 year window so I think after 5 years and no sightings of Michael or thorn he gave up
@@introvertedextrovertedtraver Just like to think he tried. They really did Loomis wrong in H5. Even Donald Pleasence didn’t like how he was written...or H5 in general lol
Michael r****ed her, michael was worse
I had that motherly adrenaline after having my baby evicted (c-section). He was in NICU. I had to go to him, all the nurses were shocked how well I got around after the surgery. That shit is legit.
Motherly instinct and adrenaline is like no other you would b surprised what you can do when it comes down to your child
Automatic bedrest for two days isn't a necessity either. Some mothers can be out and about in less than a day.
Even though the original is my fav, I’ve always felt more invested in Jamie and Rachel as protagonists then Laurie. They just had a beautiful bond and we haven’t had anything close to that in any of the sequels.
Halloween 4 is my favorite
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Awesome, I love her character and Danielle Harris is a total sweetheart
Yeh
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@@TyhlerNovac nope
She truly carried 4 and 5 which is amazing considering how bad most child actors are
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Jamie is so under rated. Really sad when she was ended.
Jamie lloyd is definitely my favourite halloween final girl unfortunately she suffered a unjustified fate. I wish after number 4 and 5 her storyline had more better treatment. Instead of just killing her off straight away. She's so sweet and fragile and didn't have a chance to maybe succeed at ending the family curse.
Maybe her gift of having a sixth sense could of been explored more.
There was still so much potential with her it was very depressing how she was killed off after all she’d been through. The new main characters in H6 weren’t nearly as strong or interesting as Jamie or Rachel.
Loomis was still great though.
@@mtb5431 Yes I agree with everything you said about this Jaime deserved more than what she got in the halloween franchise.
@@amykanilia8860 I see so many videos these days defending H6....it completely baffles me how anyone who likes H4 can stand to watch that vile movie. Sorry but atmosphere and cinematography are no substitute for characters and the way Jamie is treated destroys any redeemable qualities it may have otherwise. The way things end for Loomis certainly doesn’t help either.
@@mtb5431 I strongly agree with you Jaime and doctor Loomis needed a better follow up between h4 and h5..
The way Loomis just YEETS everything out of his way when in Jaime's hospital room
The only good thing about Jamie being written out of continuity (is that Curse of Michael literally never happened) but also that she and Billy never experienced Michael Myers and are living a perfectly happy life.
The only good thing about Curse is Danielle didn’t return so we didn’t have to watch the real Jamie Lloyd be raped and brutally killed. Also that it didn’t kill Paul Rudd’s career.
Well Jamie wouldn't exist in the first place, as in the other timelines Laurie never had Jamie.
Love her though, she's great.
The actress playing Jamie is so good! Not just for her age but in general; especially among her piers in the Halloween franchise. Her performance is way underrated imo
3:20 Danielle Harris wanted to come back for the 2018 film. If they'd done that a current continuity version of Jamie could still have been Laurie's daughter but not Michael's niece since the 2018 film went back to how it was in the original where Michael and Laurie weren't related.
its really sucky they didn't ask her to come back... she really is the nr.2 of the halloween series. they did her dirty AF. Espc after what they did after H6.
@@desireekallenberg3235 Get over it characters can't live forever Otherwise it would be boring as fuck
@@ephwurd2yurMother im not talking about her character...
@@ephwurd2yurMother"characters can't live forever" umm.. the main characters, Michael and Laurie... have died and lived multiple times 💀
I wish if Jamie had not been written as non cannon, it would have been cool to see her written as John's sister. Laurie's paranoia over John could have been written as having fear of losing one child and afraid the same fate would befall her son.
This was included in an early script for H20, which was eventually scrapped. Laurie reads a newspaper that reports on Jamie Lloyd's death and runs to a school bathroom to throw up before doing her Yosemite obligatory plea.
I know that they killed her in the Rob Zombie's version but I would love if they put her on the new trilogy as a new character. She's such a great actress. Love all of her movies that she's in. And thank you for uploading this video, I was waiting to hear about this character's history for awhile. BTW I wouldn't mind seeing a Video on Candyman. Can u please do it?. 🤗😁😃🙂
^second that about candyman
What about John from H20? I would technically love to see both of them in the new trilogy to replace Karen.
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Danielle harris reached out to them when the first movie was being created and they didn’t want her.
@@jcalhorrorstuff Karen is dead, she died at the end of Halloween kills.
We definitely need Jamie Lloyd to return in Halloween Ends.
Unfortunately she won’t :(
Would be awesome seeing Jamie be so understandably cold towards Laurie but stick around out of an obligation to finish off Michael and a sense of protectiveness towards her niece.
@Chucky wait how are they not siblings anymore i’m sorry i think the time lines are just messing me up a little
@Chucky nevermind, i forgot the second halloween 1981 isn’t connected to the original timeline👍
I wonder if they bring her back how would they have Jamie not related to Michael cause she is from a seperate timeline the Laurie Strode story she don't have a daughter in the originals Halloween movies.
I think the actress could come back as as different character.
She did in the newer Micheal Myers she is in the film she is Laurie friend on the new Halloween @CZsworld
Jamie's father was that paramedic from Halloween 2, his last name was Lloyd. the guy that slipped and fell on the blood, then passed out in the vehicle sounding the horn.
They makes great sense
Nice 👍 He kept checking on her and got kicked out of her room by the other nurse
His last name was never given out canonically. _Lloyd_ was never associated with his first name. He’s never been called “Jimmy Lloyd” except by the fans.
There is a theory among fans of the series that Jimmy may be the father of Jamie Lloyd and/or John Tate. The theory has been debunked as far as John is concerned; as for Jamie, it has not been disproved. However, in Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers, Jamie pulls out a photo of herself with her father, who bears little resemblance to Jimmy. The identity of Jamie's father has never been significant to the story. If Jimmy is the father of Jamie, he would also be the grandfather of Jamie's son, Steven Lloyd and the man in the photo could have possibly been her uncle, Jimmy's younger brother Ziggy.
Correct. I was thinking the same thing
@Beelzebub, watch it again, it's in the movie.
They really need to bring Danielle Harris back to the Halloween franchise.
I have always loved Jamie and her story. Kinda bummed they couldn’t do more with her 😕
Jamie Lloyd is definitely my favorite character in the Halloween Franchise. She is so very Tragic 😔
FunFact: Danielle Harris who played Jamie also played in Rob Zombie's Halloween remake as Annie Brackett.
Danielle Harris did so well in those movies. Not sure how they’d do it but hopefully they include her for Halloween Ends.
I’m so glad she didn’t return for H6. I’d only want Danielle in it if they had gone with a better script that didn’t demean her character.
@@mtb5431 hey to let you jamie Lloyd fans know she finally met Jamie lee Curtis on the premiere of Halloween ends and the article said that we can be assured that soon we will see Jamie Lloyd back again in her final showdown with Michael myers
If they can reboot laurie's story like 17 times they can do it for Jamie too. would love to see Danielle play the role again
People exaggerate a lot for a story that was only rebooted 2 times 😂 where the hell did you get 17 from???
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Thank you for this video! Jamie was one of my favorite horror characters when I was a kid, and now as an adult who has dealt with selective mutism, I think I like her even more.
"The janitor doesn't know sign language."
I have always said a lot of horror movies would be solved a lot faster if everyone knew SL...
AHMSL: American Horror Movie Sign Language
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I always thought Jimmy Lloyd, the ambulance fella that was visiting Laurie in the hospital was her father? Mayhaps?
I think so
He isn't her dad since his last name is not stated to be "Lloyd", just "Jimmy". But theorizing is pretty fun.
Me who doesn’t know if I want to have kids: furiously writing adoption papers for Jamie to protect her from all the shit she’s going through
We need at least one more Halloween movie with Danielle Harris playing Jamie. I know we got more of Jamie and more of Danielle Harris but we need the two combined. They could definitely add in another timeline starting from the end of Halloween 5 where we get to see Jamie as a middle aged woman. It may have been unintentional but if you watch the Director's cut of Rob Zombie's Halloween II you kind of get an homage to little Jamie at the end.
If the do continue from H5, they should only mention Rachel and Dr.Loomis. No Tina and ESPECIALLY no thorn cult.
Jamie Lloyd deserves a redemption story imo.
I never see anybody talk about Jamie in the Halloween franchise glad people are now
Jamie was honestly my favorite character from the Halloween franchise.
Jamie is my favorite character in the series, thank you for making this video Cz
Thanks for commenting on my video about her Riddler.
Your welcome JND, anything for someone who loves the same character I do
as someone who doenst like horror and is afraid of it, i llike these series man.
Its like watching the horror but less scary :D
I would honestly love to see a video of your explaining the different timeliness as they are. Including the new one
I love just relaxing learning more horror related things and that sounds a great hour long video lol
Jamie Lloyd's arc is the most tragic one out of all in the Halloween franchise without a doubt
With "motherly adrenaline", it's like with the mother who lifted an entire car to save her child, which is said to have inspired the story about the Incredible Hulk.
That was a flashback scene being told by the mom to David Banner in the first episode. Yes I am that old to remember the first run of the tv series.
@@mrrictus Old enough or clever enough to lie and use Google..
@@mrrictus I loved Bill Bixbys hulk! I'm 22 so I only watched reruns several years ago 😅
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The biggest stain on the entire Halloween series is how Jamie’s story ended. She goes through hell for two movies just to get kidnapped,raped, and brutally murdered.
Even though H5 was a mess,H6 still could’ve been great if she remained the protagonist and it was just her coming out of hiding to team up with Loomis and finish Michael once and for all. There would even be some emotional tension since she’d be avenging Rachel. That would be more epic then all the Laurie vs Michael showdowns combined.
She deserved her revenge more than Laurie at that point. H6 did her dirty.
@@WonderofU95 It would’ve been so much more satisfying too. With Laurie it was just facing her fear of Michael. With Jamie it would be revenge for ruining her life since childhood and killing the person she was closest too. Plus since nearly all of us liked Rachel as well, we’d be very invested in Jamie getting her revenge.
@@mtb5431 I read that more than one person affiliated with H5 wishes that they hadn't killed off the Rachel character.
@@taracollins5597 Yeah I heard there was resistance from a lot of people on set but the hack job of a director was to stubborn to listen. Besides Donald Pleasence, I read that Ellie Cornell didn’t enjoy shooting her scenes with him either. Also heard things like he found Rachel’s character “boring”...probably because she was a realistic portrayal of a teen as opposed to the cartoon characters that made up his film.
Killing off Rachel in h5 was terrible
5:49 After what happened to Ben Tramer Dr Loomis himself put it best in Halloween 6. "You should know that it's not wise to play Halloween pranks on me."
I love Horror History. I loved horror already, but love it more now that I have found this channel and learn about all the connections in these stories.
Hey mother
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The fact Jamie was originally going to be the killer of the Halloween franchise after Michael that would have ruined the entire franchise.
I would have loved it haha
I agree, because Jamie was supposed to be killed by Michael, not turn into a killer lol
@@CZsWorld But Professor, while I, too, would have loved to see that, I think we both know that, given this franchise's history... it would have been one of those "good idea, poor execution" situations.
But then again, you never know. Danielle Harris was and is great at acting, so at least that part would have been good.
So you mean to tell me that she had potential but they ruined it?
Idk why they tried replacing Michael Myers in a movie that was only made because people liked him too much
I couldn’t finish this video, not because it sucked, but because I just don’t want to get to the part where she gets brutally murdered. Such bullshit. She’s been done wrong 3 times, poor Jamie and Danielle, they deserved better.
I agree.
I liked Jamie better then Laurie as a protagonist. She had such a tragic life there was way more emotional investment with her.I wish the series had focused on Jamie growing up to get revenge on Michael for ruining her life and killing Rachel. Now that would’ve been a better final film for Donald Pleasence.
@@mtb5431 Well, I did write a script for an animated movie that's a sequel to H5 where Jamie teams up with Tina and Loomis to kill Michael and the Man in Black resurrects Rachel to use as bait against Jamie. I'll just watch it instead of H6 if I make it.
As someone with selective mutism, I was pleasantly surprised at how accurately it was portrayed
I hope he does John Tate(Laurie's son) next!!
I agree
Yes!!
The most forgettable of Laurie’s children 😂
It always felt that John's story felt incomplete. It would have been cool to see the 4-6 timeline merged into the h20 one. A simple explanation could have been there was a massive cover up or those involved were killed or possibly sworn to secrecy.
They have another alternate timeline version where Laurie didn’t die she faked her death, thinking she was protecting Jamie from Michael and he would leave the family alone, that’s why she gave Jamie the Lloyd last name, if they stuck with that version it could’ve done much better for the franchise, and Laurie could’ve still came back without throwing the franchise all over the place, and still had her grandson from H6 and son from H2O all in one, because Jamie did a great job and so did the son from H2O, the timeline loop threw me off because now only pt1 count and they’re not related all of a sudden
What if Jamie and John were twins? They both appear to have been the same age, born in 1981, her aged 7 in 1988, him aged 17 in 1998. Mr. Lloyd and Mr. "Tate" may have been one in the same.
Perhaps Mr. LLoyd and Laurie Strode took John and changed their name to Tate, but Mr. Tate didn't stick around?
And perhaps Mr. Lloyd and Laurie put Jamie up for adoption.
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8:28 Bro look at the way Michael just stands there 😂
Loomis yelling at the poor little girl. He was the real psycho lmao
I have an idea on how to continue Jamie Lloyd's story and give her a solid conclusion. A new timeline that continues from the 4th film and ignores movies 5 & 6. Here's my pitch:
Halloween: Reckoning
Set 35 years after the events of H4, Jamie Lloyd (played by Danielle Harris) has moved on with her life and is under the alias of Michelle Becker, who has become a famous horror author. However, she is forced to return to Haddonfield when her adoptive father dies and reunites with her estranged adoptive sister Rachel (played by Ellie Cornell), who still hasn't forgiven her for the death of their adoptive mother, which Jamie still struggles over. However, Michael Myers' reappears, revealed to be responsible for killing their dad in order to lure Jamie out. After an argument with Rachel, Jamie almost leaves until Marion Chambers approaches her and leaves a letter from the late Dr. Loomis, who (in voice over) warns her that the ritual had failed.
In a flashback, a young Jamie (recast with a child who looks like young Harris) is incarnated in a children's hospital, where Dr. Loomis (also recast with someone who looks like Pleasance) attempts to save her from the evil of Michael, knowing that she is trying to fight back. He researches the history of Samhain and discovers a way to save Jamie, who is falling to the evil as it slowly consumes her. Michael eventually attacks and kills the staff before getting to Jamie. Attempting a ritual, Loomis has the evil transferred from Jamie and onto him before Michael stabs him. Loomis tries to touch him to gain the rest of the evil within, but Michael sends them out the window before it is completed, although the two survive, with Michael escaping. Years later, Jamie is released back into society but is shunned by Rachel and Haddonfield, with the exception of her adoptive father, who helps get her a new identity. Loomis has himself committed to an insane asylum, where he lives the rest of his days before dying, resisting the evil within.
In the present-day, Michael attacks and kills Marion, forcing Jamie to flee. Afraid for her adoptive sister, Jamie goes to warn her and is followed by Michael. The police pursue but are killed by Michael when they reach the house. Jamie finds Rachel but they end up trapped in the basement. Remembering when she absorbed part the evil from her uncle, Jamie approaches Michael and embraces him, fully consuming the evil and leaving him vulnerable. After Rachel escapes, she then sets fire to the basement and collapses the staircase, trapping them. Rachel pleads for her to take her hand from an opening, but she refuses, knowing that the evil is too strong and will eventually take her as it did Michael. Saying goodbye to her and tearfully saying thank you for being her sister, the flames consume Jamie and Michael, killing them.
After Jamie's funeral, Rachel tearfully apologizes to her grave and forgives her. In the afterlife, Jamie is greeted by her mother, Laurie Strode (played by Jamie Lee Curtis). The two embrace and walk into the bright light together.
Danielle Harris needs to return to the Halloween franchise. I hope after Halloween Ends in another inevitable reboot as they seem to have robbed us of any chance of Danielle Harris and Jamie Lee Curtis being on screen in a Halloween film together.
The Simpsons Hit & Run reference at 8:28 is GOLDEN🤣. I had that game for GameCube. Such simpler times 💪🏽
I find that Jamie's 6 sense is similar to Danny's in "The Shining" I'm surprised you didn't pick that up.
Friday the 13th Pamela Voorhees Horror History pls!!!
Honestly in Halloween 5 I think when she goes uncle and makes him cry it should have restored his humanity and had that universe end there.
Honestly I can't wait for you to hit 1M . I don't get it why they're not going viral
Well check his subscriber count now he hit 1M
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Almost 1 mill bro. I'm so happy for you . Been here for the past 2 1/2 years almost. I knew you'd make it.
Wait i thought we were going to do videos like these in October but what the hell awesome video dude rock on 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘☠️
I had a couple leftovers that I didn't get done in time.
4:07 I find it pretty cool that you see a Michael mask when she’s shopping and ends up getting a clown mask like Michael
11:17 Poor Jamie. Having to put up with Tina was probably even worse than Michael trying to kill her.
Bump-ba-da, bump-ba-da, bump-ba-da, bump-ba-da...
Never sensible if I can help it! Yeet yeet yeet!
Yes he will
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ER RN here, bc of short staff due to Covid I went back to work 16 hours following giving birth. Thankfully, it was only for a 16 hour shift & able to enjoy a 6 week maternity leave.
Awesome video! Well worth stopping my grocery shopping for!
I thought you just stopped in the middle of a grocery store until I remembered that grocery shopping happens online now.
@@CZsWorld nope. I was standing in the middle of Wal Marts grocery section. Right next to the tomatoes.
Phantasm Horror History please!!!
I was today years old when I realized I never knew Jamie Lee Curtis' character had died and this was her daughter. I've watched this movies countless times and never got that detail.
"Oh good, now we don't have to slit her throat."
ZAC
Love your videos mate! I can't wait for Laurie's history
So much talent I 😔 great actors I actresses
I love your channel and how in depth you go because it blows my mind lol it’s rare there’s stuff I miss and you have found quite a bit I love learning more so I’ve been binge watching
Dig the edits along with the analysis. That psych Dr has always creeped me out. Myers reminds me of Jung's concept of the "shadow" within every human, being so ominous and with Jamie. 👍🏽
It did look like Jamie was going become like Michael but she was able to fight it somehow. We never knew what kind of kid Michael was before he killed his sister.
Sad she only got to live 15 years. Her being killed of right away in Halloween 6 pissed me off so badly. Not only did she not act as Jaime in that movie but the fact she was killed of way too early made me pissed off too. Loomis always looked out for Jaime in halloween 6 he blamed himself for her death. But I think Loomis was traumatized by Michael that's why he quit his job. What I noticed whenever Michael "attacked" Loomis he seemed to go easy on him for some reason. In Halloween 2 he stabbed him slightly not hard enough to kill him., in 5 Michael only stabbed him a bit. Seems he slightly has a care for him cause he never tries to stab him fatally.
CZs: that’s why you got a check for a pulse
Gale Weathers: I DID!
I seriously enjoy the way you speak of the lore, you do such justice to these stories, please please make so many more, I've binged these all week at work as a butcher, kind of adds a bit of dark to your great voice. Always stay well CZ, you do an amazing job.
The actress who plays jaimie is quite impressive for her age.
I enjoy the channel man are you going to do a history of sinister or other horror movies
Jamie is the most tragic character in the entire series.
Oooooh I’m earlyyyyy excited for this!
Enjoy.
@@CZsWorld amazing video thank you for putting so much amazing effort into your content❤️
Awesome stuff bro!! This channel is awesome
Poor Jamie
That wasn't Jamie in H6. It was her double. This is revealed in "Halloween:Bad Blood".
Generational trauma ain’t no joke
Jamie's father is Jimmy Lloyd from Halloween II
Hardest part of her life was dealing with Loomis if were being honest lmao
They did Jamie dirty in Halloween 6.
Gotta do the h20 timeline next great video
love the subtle shot at 4:06 with Michael's mask in the store. Driving home the fact that it's a generic Halloween mask ala Scream
2 videos this week!!! Thanks 😊
More if you count my posts on the new channel: CZsWorld Slices.
@@CZsWorld oh you already know I subscribed lol....
This just makes me go WTF. Jamie lost her parents, got chased and attacked by Michael twice, lost her foster sister, got treated terribly by Loomis and then got kidnapped by Dr. Terence where she was raped and then killed in a very grotesque gory death. Why do the makers of Halloweens 4-6 hate Jamie so much and have to treat this poor girl so terribly? This is one of many reasons why I despise the thorn trilogy in the Halloween series.
Can you do Sidney Prescott for your next scream horror history?
No, because Paramount has not made any safe way to consume Scream 5 available.
@@CZsWorld ok understand hope Scream 5 comes out on Paramount+
Can you do horror history for the scream killers?
Can't be mad a Loomis, I mean Myers is also driving him insane, so yeah he's gonna go to xtreme measures to get Michael and try to end everything. He was dealing with Mike before Jamie was even born🤦♂️
So if Jamie was 7 in h4 and 5, and the time jump between h5 and 6 is 6 years, 7+6=13... SO JAMIE GAVE BIRTH AT THE AGE OF 13
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@@vadoinak620 wdym
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Awesome,I would also like Jimmy Halloween 2
Stu Macher Scream
Nancy Thompson A nightmare on elm street
We don't really know much about Jimmy from Halloween 2 but the other two are reasonable.
@@CZsWorld Thanks for replying big fan!
History of Nancy Thompson would be perfect!
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I wish she wasn’t retcon, she deserves to be in canon
Every time I’ve seen this thumbnail, I can’t stop thinking that Jamie looks like a little girl version of Joseph Gordon Levitt
I was literally thinking I'd love to see the history of Jamie and here it is like an angel of death
I was always so impressed with Danielle Harris. She was such a great little actress.
You should do a horror History of Randy Meeks