twenty one pilots - Scaled And Icy - Album Review
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2021
- For this new album review, twenty one pilots scale back and isolate on one of their most controversial projects to date.
Best: 'Shy Away', 'Saturday', 'Never Take It', 'Formidable', 'Bounce Man', 'No Chances', 'Redecorate'
Worst: 'The Outside'
8/10
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twenty one pilots - Scaled And Icy - Spectrum Pulse Album Review / Analysis (indie pop / pop rock)
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friendship ended with fantano now mark is my best friend
Nah, Of All the major reviewers’ takes on this album, Jon is easily the one I agree with the most, while I found it a huge disappointment, I certainly don’t think it’s a 2/10 like Melon said and it sure as hell isn’t an 8/10 imo, also I get that taste is subjective but Saturday, Formidable, and Bounce Man In best tracks, really? 2.5/5 (which converts to 5/10) is pretty spot on
My opinion after hearing Trench: it's overly repetitive and loses steam after the first five or so tracks. Boring.
Fantano: "hey this is actually pretty good"
My opinion after hearing Scaled and Icy: this is an easy as hell listen that's still engaging front to back, a nice little breath of fresh air, way more enjoyable than Trench was.
Fantano: "hey this is garbage"
Why does Fantano make it so hard for me to like him??
@@CloudMountainJuror Holy shit, you’re basically the polar opposite of me, when it comes to music, I’m assuming you’re also into Radiohead and other bands that “tastemakers” worship, because if so your music taste is definitely the polar opposite of mine
@@finnmckentyslanderaccount409 I don’t know what you mean by “tastemakers”, but I haven’t been able to get into Radiohead. I’m mostly into metal and prog right now (which is why this is far from the first time I’ve been super in disagreement with Fantano - his negative review of Parallax II by BTBAM, his mostly middling stance on Steven Wilson, his casual dismissal of The Dear Hunter a while ago... I do respect him, but god, I really don’t align).
To be fair I’ve disagreed with Mark on two of the three bands above before too, but I at least understand his opinions better.
@@finnmckentyslanderaccount409 as a life long twenty one pilots fan who has been to two concerts i couldnt even finish listening to the album
I cannot say The Outside is bad, gave goosebumps when he started the "Imma megalodon"
Well said, love the outside and redecorate personally
Agreed... the Outside is my favorite track on this album.
Dude dropped the same time as fantano. Idk if that’s a coincidence or not but I think that’s funny.
Scores are quite parallel as well, but damn haha.
The duality of man
And both with totally opposite opinions on the album
Hahahahaha!! Both videos are right next to each other in my subscription feed!
@@carlosneto7765 Only one of them actually interpreted it correctly though. Fantano's was a one and done write-up that was embarrassing for a professional critic - even if he doesn't like the album.
I'm happy to see the sound of the band continue to branch out. I loved this album and I'm stoked to see what genres they'll lean into on the next one.
We should have seen this coming due to his positive reception towards Level of Concern. The discourse will sure as hell be interesting.
Fantano gave it a 2, Spectrum Pulse gave it an 8... A 10 confirmed???
The duality of man
Yes
Artv gave it a 2.5/5
@@connergentrytv I like ARTV and Fantano but I think Mark is better than both of them. It's amazing how he is able to dissect albums and pull out important details that so many other reviewers miss.
Came here after watching Fantano's review. The difference between how the two approach album reviews couldn't be more stark.
This is such an in-depth review and I LOVE it. Thank you for helping me process over a month later!
As much I still entirely disagree with your takes on Trench... I'm SO glad I've finally listened to a Scaled and Icy review where the reviewer understands the lyrics (and no, I don't mean the 'DEMA' stuff. I mean the actual themes and meanings of the songs).
Weirdly, I will also add that I disagree with your take that this is the most commercial sounding of their work.
Good Day, Mulberry Street and Bounce Man sound like something off an Elton John or Billy Joel record. Hell they might all fit in a musical to be honest!
The Outside is an unsusual hip-hopy track, which seemingly intentionally never explodes with the 'drop' it threatens.
No Chances speaks for itself. Redecorate is focuses too much on its intense and dark rap verses to be considered a 'top 40' sound.
Lastly, Choker just sounds like something made by twenty one pilots in 2010. And therefore in no way is aiming to strike a chord with the modern sound palate.
Conversely, Saturday is an overtly a 'top 40' sound. Formidable is light enough to be considered commerically aimed. Shy Away could arguably be considered that too. But overall, only at most three songs can be considered 'mainstream'.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought that Mulberry Street sounded like Elton John. The production sounds straight out of Crocodile Rock!
@@jeremyusreevu237 Yeah... like... this is a pop album. But most of the pop definitely isn't modern. Honestly, they easily could've gone for a sound that was more current. People claiming they've 'sold out' in this album is hilarious to me. (To clarify, I'm not suggesting Spectrum Pulse is implying that).
The Outside is the weakest?? it felt the strongest to me.
After listening to this album like dozens of times now, I gotta say that this is the TOP album I keep coming back to the most, and part of it is that this might be the best quarantine album (and by that I mean albums that have the quarantine as context and core). Even when Charli XCX made a great album, TOP takes this context and makes it work even better because of what the ending does- showing what is gonna happen after this pandemic ends and what is gonna happen to Joseph when he has to go back to the real world. Redecorate has been the song that had stuck with me the most because of the themes and no joke, it might be the best song that had been released in 2021.
I also really like this album cuz bangers like Choker and Shy Away exist.
I didn't expect this high from you. As a fan of twenty one pilots I prefer Vessel and Trench but the strong songs on this are really strong.
Oh this review will wound up controversial, lol, but I'm glad you are honest in your feelings about the album. And fun fact, I had gut feeling that you might be really into this record because it reminded of Blurryface, and I know how much you like that album, so it would make sense if you liked SAI as well. As for what I think about this album- welp, Blurryface is my favourite Twenty One Pilots record, but I don't think I like SAI as much as any of their last 3 records, even if I'm not as into Trench as most people I think its best moments outshine best SAI moments, and same with Vessels. Still, I thought it was a good record, liked it more on relistens, for me it's a solid 7/10, pretty good, but I get people who aren't into it. Good review, Mark :)
Awesome comment :)
@@AquilaSky21 Thx)
Honestly, any review of SAI is gonna piss people off. The positive reviews will piss off people who hated the album, and TOP fans who don't think it "has soul" and the negative reviews will piss of TOP stans and people like me who actually like the album.
I think it’s pretty telling that Mark talks about “after a dozen or so listens”... SAI is a grow on you album and anyone who listens to it multiple times I personally feel is going to rate it higher than someone who listens to it once. A large part of that is the craftsmanship Tyler puts into the lyrics and the depth of the art which you don’t pick up on from the first time through.
So tell me, did Fantano actually listen to the album more than once? I highly doubt it based on his rating and the way he dismissed the lyrics in almost every song. 🤷♂️
We gave it the same score. I think this is an album that definitely benefits from relistens. Great comment
I legit love this album
Ditto
I'm glad I watched this review, since it made me give the album an extra chance - which surely was worth it for me. Even though I do prefer both Vessel and Trench over this, it is a grower for me.
nice analysis man
good review!
I 100% agree with you I'm a huge twenty one pilots fan and I think people need to give this album a more of a chance! It's very underrated!
It’s good to see someone understand the music he is reviewing.
Oh look, someone else enjoyed this. I'M NOT CRAZY!!!!
I enjoyed it too.
I definitely agree that this album will be one of the most unappreciated albums of the year. It’s a great project with awesome cuts and more story than people will lead on with great production and pop hooks I love!
8/10 people should give this album more of a chance and maybe you’ll like it like I do 😎
Favorite Tracks: Shy Away, Redecorate, Saturday, Good Day, Formidable, No Chances.
Least Favorite Track: Mulberry Street?(Still pretty decent)
I'm hoping that Billboard Music Awards performance will bring Shy Away back on the charts. Even if it's for one week
@@jchmusic7587 it’s doing super well on the Alternative chart. Still number one there I think.
I feel like I need to apologize to twenty one pilots fans, because I feel like twenty one pilots made this album to appeal to me specifically. I liked blurryface a lot back in 2015, but then I heard the first few singles from Trench and I hopped off the bandwagon. But I like this album enough that I might actually listen to Trench now.
Trench is overall their most appealing album, especially to people who don’t like their past music. Most people I know that didn’t like twenty one pilots because they thought their music and lyrics were corny or cheesy, like Trench. It’s a super solid and mature project and imo their best (and I’ve been a fan/listener since RAB).
you hopped off the bandwagon at trench??!
@@DJDipstick well, I hopped off before the full album was released. my current opinion of blurryface is that I like it but I wish there were more songs like "Tear In My Heart" which is still my favorite song of theirs. I'm a basic bitch.
Mark listened to the album more than once before reviewing - sometimes that I think is fair a nessasary for every review.
Really insightful, well-structured review. Still doesn't make this album any less disappointing for me :(.
I'm sorry but as a long time TOP fan, i thought this album was REALLY bad. Its so bland and it feels like it has no substance. Couldn't stand it. Shy Away is still great tho.
EDIT: Update nobody asked for- This album has actually really grown on me over the past couple years (really it grew on me a few months later but I just recently remembered this comment randomly and decided to make an update lol). I grew to like the direction they took a lot overall. There are a couple misses I still really don't like in Good Day and Bounce Man, but some of the others are excellent. Songs like Formidable, Never Take It, and especially Redecorate are some of my favorite songs from the duo now. Still not my favorite TOP album personally, but I really like it now lol.
It’s just his opinion. People are super divided about this album so if someone likes it good for them. If some don’t, same.
@@solangemorell2048 i mean yeah I'm fine with his opinion lol, im just giving mine too
It’s far from bland man, listen to it a few more times. Simple isn’t bland, if it was everyone could do it and be successful at it.
I'm right there with you, I feel like its a cop-out to say its "propaganda" in the world of dema, I feel like if they wanted to do that it should have been longer with end songs that explain that propaganda and fights it or release another album right after the live stream that's just as "short" (I personally feel it's short but I do recognize that 11 songs in the terms of music-making are quite a significant amount). It was extremely shallow and a lot of the messages in songs didn't go as deep as they could have, such as songs like mulberry street saying don't take drugs/medication which yeah I guess I get that but some people need it. I don't know, I'm torn I love how the songs sound but a lot of them don't feel like twenty one pilots and feel rushed, what's everyone else's opinion? TLDR: Good production and use of instruments, bad or shallow messages, feels rushed not great not terrible.
listen to it again and again. appreciate the long hard work both josh and tyler put into this album. i wasnt quite sure with the first run into the album but i grew to like then love it. everything here (except no chances + redecorate) is completely diff and opposite from trench and even blurryface. for me its very unique, creative, bold and it works. i actl grew to appreciate this type of music more. we all know that both josh and tyler are going to go all out in the finale of dema album (the next one which is coming soon)
3 years later and I'm starting to see the vision
Scaled And Icy (including "The Outside") is a great album.
Yo I came back because I randomly remembered you said in this video that you were disappointed by their live performance. I'm really curious to hear why you found it disappointing? You're the first person I've ever heard not praise them for their live show.
The worst part of their live shows is the screaming fans. It's almost too much.
It's a pompous circus for screaming teenage girls. This is the reason.
@@Itzzy515 ha, no, it isn't. I for one am almost 30 years old. There are a lot of teenage girls but the crowd, in my experience, is pretty diverse. Thanks for your uneducated guess, though.
I appreciate how now solo reviews are reserved for artists either making a profound artistic statement that requires the spotlight (Sundays or Spanish love songs or destroyer) or for artists which you have a complicated messy feelings on the artist the album the career src etc
Not a fan of this band, but I really admired this album from the get go. The instrumental choices I liked a lot and the pop sensibilities really worked well with them again (not as many good hooks as Blurryface, but still S&I has some really good hooks in there). I also admired the lyrics in the album and what they were doing throughout the arc of the album. I've given it an 8 too because of how much fun I was having with it as well as the really well realised thematic core of the album.
Really well structured review Mark as always.
Loved your interpretation of the narrative, this album is def gonna end up underrated
GREAT REVIEW
It's ok. Has like 4 songs I legitimately like and the rest is kinda mediocre. Light 6 for me.
The one time I agree mostly with Mark more than Fantano in this video
And also half of it more than Jon as well
Bounce Man goes hard
Your score: 8
Teeth man: 2
8 + 2 = 10
SAI is a 10 confirmed
LET'S GO!!!!!!!
For the record this album is a 10 for me
If you truly know who 21 pilots are and who tyler joseph is and you follow the lore I think you'll really like this album. I did. And people have seemed to miss Tyler said he wanted this album to be completely detached as much as he could from the current real world.
Makes sense why it's so upbeat. Anyways. I loved scaled and icy alot. But I liked trench more
Trench is my 9/10 and SAI is my 8/10
A higher score than Trench is very bold. I'd personally give this album a 6.
Yeah, a 6 feels generous enough.
Listening to SAI front to back can be polarizing.
I think a 5/6 is a fair rating. I have no idea why Fantano thinks it warrants a 2 tbh.
Tbf he underscored Trench lmaooo
@@sreejita9090 he really looks at it only once. First listen I would have given it a two, by now like a 6 or 7
The Outside? Weakest song on the album? It’s top 3 imo
Twenty One Pilots need to have the success they had in 2016 again!
Yes they do! Especially if they keep making good music. (2016 was also a really bad year for the hot 100, but TOP made some of the better hits of that year.)
I've been staying that since Trench man, Trench should've had more success in 2019 then blurryface in 2016 with singles out like Chlorine and My Blood
Really appreciated the honesty of this review. I had an inkling you might like the album actually and was waiting for this review! Been noticing a lot of people who weren't as big of a fan of Trench liked this album and vice verse. Personally, I enjoyed them both (it is possible!). And your talk about separating the lore is super well put! Always like your take on things.
EDIT: also appreciate your appreciation of Blurryface. I think that album is severely underrated.
Interesting take. You made me want to give this thing a second listen. Now, on to Antony Fantonio's bashing review...
This is an outstanding review. I, of course, respect Anthony's opinion on this topic, but I honestly felt like he was missing the point in some places. I wasn't sure if that was just me being a little defensive, but I legitimately felt that he misinterpreted certain parts of the album. However, again, that might be because I really went into this WANTING to love it. I can 100% see the criticisms for this album. If I was to have a long conversation with someone who vehemently hates it, I doubt I'd find myself disagreeing more than agreeing. But there is a strange dark tone to this record that really comes through when you give it the time to grow on you, especially with those closing two songs. It helps develop the lore a lot in a very positive way, and I'm glad this album exists.
I'd personally give it a 6/10. There are definitely some tracks on here that are HUGE misses for me, such as Saturday, Mulberry Street, and Bounce Man. But for all the misses, there are equally big hits. No Chances, Redecorate, Shy Away, Choker, Formidable, and Never Take It are FANTASTIC tracks in my opinion.
Again, this review is really good. Nice job, Mark!
At least I like it even if everyone else doesn’t.
I like it too.
I like it
I find this a great album with great storytelling
Adore it!
Don't worry we like it too. Ignore them haters
Do you have an AOTY account?
3 years late but yeah he does. Google "Spectrum Pulse AOTY" and you'll find it
You should have a video going back and forth when Fantano lol I’ll love it
Great review!!!
I think you nailed it with that review. Personally I think it's a great piece of work. Intentionally different from the last two albums. Comes across as radio friendly & disposable but has subtle depth with the last two tracks foreboding to what comes next...
Okayy im loving this review
Ugh your closing statements about it being overlooked, misunderstood, and a grower are so spot on. Thanks for giving it a chance. Nice to see some positivity towards it.
The outside is the best song not the weakest on the album
Thanks for this review Mark, it made me appreciate the album more.
You look like Michael Gira
Feels like a huge step backwards from Trench especially in regards to maturity in songwriting and even production. I don’t always agree with Fantano, but I definitely agree when he said Tyler approached a lot of “hot topics” with the most asinine and surface level analysis of things. I think that’s why I started to drift more toward The 1975 when I was in college and my early 20s. I increasingly found Tyler’s lyrics cringy and like this is a guy that’s not really SEEN shit. He’s definitely felt some shit, but his approach to life feels very sheltered verses someone like Matty who literally was a hard drug addict and has talked about his battle with things like drugs as well as mental health struggles. I hate to say it, but I think Trench might have been their peak. It’s downhill from here, folks.
apparently this is a filler "propaganda" album that TOP dropped because they wanted to keep their fans' interest but didn't want to release anything "heavy" because of the pandemic. There have been speculations that there will be a "real" album soon, so maybe it's not downhill from here
@@daniilromanenko3677 so they purposefully released a dud in their album discography for... fan lore?
@@W4TSKY Yea, pretty much
@@daniilromanenko3677 damn
@@W4TSKY their whole discography is fan lore. Even trench has explicit songs that serve the lore like Nico and the Niners even talking about the bishops. They know what they're doing even with a dud.
Imo, top> bf>rab>sai>>>>trench
But we’ll see, sai might grow on me
Wait, what
Is Trench on the bottom????? And RaB is better than SAI? Vessel isn't even on here? What the hell is this list...
@@amiccus_ RaB is easily better than SAI
@@OmgChloeOmg Gonna be a hard disagree on that one, bud
Twenty one pilots albums ranked
6) Blurryface (sorry Mark)
5) Self Titled
4) Regional At Best
3) Scaled and Icy
2) Vessel
1) Trench
For me
5. Regional at best
4. Vessel
3. Self titled album
2. Trench
1. Blurryface
I haven't listen to the new album yet
Trench is awesome
Yknow I was gonna comment about how can somebody be annoyed that you like like thing then I remembered all the shit you got for giving mgk an 8
He gave The Big Day a 7 and people lost it.
I personally thought this album sucked, but this review and perspective is really good and interesting
Potaro is that you? 😳
I think in my opinion I feel the reason why they're reopening so quickly is because of voluntary vaccination now being forced vaccination, whether the people like it or not.
why are you slanted to the side
I wouldn't say this album is better than Trench but I'm honestly enjoying it more each time I listen to it, might be a tie with Vessel for my second favorite TOP album
The album really takes a couple of listens to grow on you, but it's not bad certainly not a 2, just as other people pointed out
I don't like the album as much as you i think, but i do think this is way better than what a lot of people say it is. I just thought they made a good pop album, nothing too challenging, kinda dry, but still catchy and varied all the same. I like Trench more but this is good at what it does. 'preciate the review!
The review I needed, thank you Mark
I like the outside
Here for a real review after that joke Fantano put out. Hoping this one actually discusses the lore and actually understands the meaning behind the songs
Because not liking it makes it a joke?
@@Jackrabbit7 The issue with fantano's review is that he completely missed the point of a lot of this album. You don't have to like it, I didn't like it all that much compared to trench or vessel. But to not even acknowledge the concept of the album is pretty lazy as a reviewer. The whole concept and idea behind this album is pretty important to understand what it's actually going for. The album got way better for me when the concept properly clicked for me and I realized that a lot of how it sounds and how it presents itself is very purposeful and is part of the whole concept and idea for this album.
@@Jackrabbit7 if he makes objectively wrong points about the album and the songs and then doesn't like it because of those objective points then yeah its a joke
??????????
Does anyone know on Mark's patreon on how i can recommend him albums to talk about
They're never gonna top Blurryface, are they?
They've been topping, friend. If I had to rank their 6 albums, I'd say
Self Titled (for purely personal reasons)
Trench (this is a masterpiece of an album)
Blurryface = Vessel = SAI (if you consider the best songs on vessel are actually RAB songs remastered, it loses a lot of it's power. But Migraine and Truce are still amazing)
RAB (has some of their best lyricism, but the production is just not there yet. I still love it so much)
It's hard to rank them in any particular order except for the first two, because each of them is so distinct.
@@gabehere Blurryface is one of my favorite albums of all time so I have to disagree
I think Trench is easily their best album - best production, best song structure, best concept, and their most mature writing by far
@@gabehere LOL... and sorry, I can’t help but laugh at self-titled being ranked first. I understand the personal reasons though, so I can’t really argue against it that I feel it’s hands down their weakest album.
I mean, they did with Trench
If I had to rank every track off this album
11. Bounce Man
10. Mulberry Street
9. Choker
8. Saturday
7. The Outside
6. Never Take It
5. Good Day
4. No Chances
3. Shy Away
2. Formidable
1. Redecorate
Nice ranking, here's mine:
11. Redecorate
10. No Chances
9. Never Take It
8. The Outside
7. Formidable
6. Shy Away
5. Saturday
4. Good Day
3. Mulberry Street
2. Bounce Man
1. Choker
whats going on with your hairs bruh?
I think the album is great musically, but my biggest gripes are the cringe lyrics, and messy flow. I'd rate it a 6/10. Not terrible, but not great, either.
Thank you for making me feel better after Fantano..
They said they dont stay in one lane and now you like "this is a bit of a bad move to make"
Hah the pun in the description 😂
I think that is the point of the title tho, literally implying they recorded this during quarantine.
K, I wasn't going to, but after seeing your review, I have to get this album
Yeah this is like a 4 it sucks
8 is way too high for me. But I much more apprpeciate the indepth review here than fantano's baseline disappointment from the incessant trench comparisons.
It's more of a positive 4 for me. Cringe light-hearted pop album with its merits.
Honestly, I'd give it a 6. The highs are high, but not as high as something like Ok Orchestra or Harmony House.
If you put together your score with Melon's you get a 10/10
Technically it would be a 10/20.
5/10 for me
4/10
solid 2/10 for me.
This might be the most divisive album so far this year. Mark, Fantano, and Jon have such different opinions on this album to the point where I don't really know where I fall yet.
Come to your own conclusion. That’s the fun of a new album.
Still waiting for Luke and Crash
if it was anyone else, scaled and icy would have been alright. but twenty one pilots, a band known for their dark themes and multilayered lyrics, coming out with this? it felt almost insulting. it isn't so bad, but it's a 5 for me. i enjoyed it, and i listen to it, but some songs i can't listen to at all as they just grate on my ears. there's no natural flow, the lyrics are either confusing or ridiculously easy to analyze, and i can never tell if he's writing from personal experience or from the narrative of DEMA.
This album is often covering just as many dark themes as trench or blurryface, and the lyrics all have several different meanings and are very multi layered, it's just a bit more cyrptic and harder to see the hidden meanings at times. It's very intentional that it's hard to fully interpret some of the deeper themes, as in the story they are supposed to be controlled by DEMA, so they have to hide meaning rather than openly expressing them. The album largely covers the concepts of denial, escapism through drugs, Media propaganda, and other similarly dark themes. Don't let the happy sounds and bright colors fool you.
@@lostecho4394 you really don't need to mansplain the album i've listened to at least five times to me. "Homie just sued me"? "You should bounce, bounce, bounce, man"? You're never going to convince me with a straight face that those are the same caliber as "and the ground taunts my wings, plummet as i sing" or "I created this world to feel some control, destroy it if I want". Sure, some of the songs like Redecorate, The Outside, or even Shy Away had lyrics with deeper meanings, but in all of the previous albums even the lighter sounding or less serious songs didn't sound like an insult to songwriting like Bounce Man did or parts of Good Day. This band has had lighter sounding albums, like Vessel and Regional at Best, but those lyrics were complicated and clever. Most of the lyrics in SAI are either embarrassingly simple or a lot easier to take apart and understand than previous lyrics. The Outside and Mulberry Street are two particularly easy songs to analyze, even if they do have some more interesting lyrics. You don't need to talk down to me, bud, I've been here just as long as you and probably know more about the band. Being a fan doesn't mean you blindly accept what you know isn't as good, it means you recognize when what your favorite creators put out is lacking. There's no need to cover up constructive criticism.
@@thehecticchannel8054 Lol mansplain. What a stupid word. I'm not trying to "mansplain" anything. I'm simply pointing out that there are very many deeper themes running throughout that are intentionally easy to miss. Most of the lyrics are multilayered with multiple hidden meanings as well. It's intended to appear shiny, bright and light on the outside, but reveal the deeper themes when you dig a little deeper, not just by making happy sounds with sad lyrics, but by also making the story and concept of it cryptic and hard to see at first, which is intentional and fits with the lore that they have been building and that is included under the surface of this album. Good day is literally a song about losing everything and then living in complete denial and acting as if you are super happy. If you take me simply explaining that there are plenty of dark themes throughout and that there are multilayered lyrics with multiple meanings, and that the whole album is about someone living in denial and using drugs and self delusion to escape, until it all falls apart at the end and they commit to vialism, just in case you were missing that, which your comment seemed to imply and which a lot of reviewers seemed to miss as well, as me talking down to you, then that is your issue, not mine. I was simply explaining my perspective of the album. Why are you so confrontational? like, calm down. I didn't even say that this album is anywhere near as good as trench musically or lyrically, because it's not. I was just pointing out that it is just incorrect to say that the lyrics aren't dark or multilayered. IDK what I typed that offended you so much. The concept takes quite a while to fully click and took the live-stream experience for me to fully get it. Most things about the album are very intentional to fit the narrative that they are telling that they are controlled by DEMA and this is a propaganda album.
@@lostecho4394 if i seem offended, it's because you came onto my review and comment and pretended to know the album better than i did. i think it's rather obvious this is from the perspective of someone trapped, and you assuming that i didn't pick up on that seems like you are indeed talking down to me. i know it's difficult for you to grasp, but this album is not as good as the other ones, and the main gap in quality lies in the lyrics. you can pretend that every lyric they put out is extraordinarily complicated, but the fact is, most of the lyrics here aren't as good as they are in other works. most of them are straight up stupid. Bounce man for example has nothing deep in it. it's a surface song, and a bad one at that. if you don't like my opinion, you can refrain from talking to me, but i don't need you to "well actually" me as if you know better. it's okay to admit that some of their stuff sucks you know.
@@thehecticchannel8054 I wasn't commenting on the quality tho. I agree that this album isn't as good as trench, vessel, or self titled. I was just pointing out that the claim that the lyrics aren't multilayered or that they don't cover dark subjects is incorrect. I replied to a comment. It's not a big deal. Calm down. I wasn't pretending to know the album better than you or talking down to you, so I'm sorry if it came across that way, I was just pointing out that the whole concept of the album would make the claim that there aren't dark topics or multilayered lyrics completely incorrect. Are they as well written here as on Trench or Vessel? No, I don't think so. But to claim they aren't there is just incorrect and that is all I was correcting. You even said yourself that you couldn't tell what was DEMA and what was about personal life, when the whole point is that its both through most of it which makes it pretty much all multilayered lyrically. I think bounce man is a pretty bad song, but even that one does actually seem to have a hidden meaning in it that ties into the story, it seems to either have something to do with Ned, or it seems like it might be a hidden message to escape DEMA with the banditos, but I will agree that there are definitely some weak lyrical moments on this record, and that is one of them. The way you wrote your comment just came across as if you didn't really get the whole concept of the album, just like the melon didn't. To say that the album doesn't cover dark themes or that the lyrics aren't multilayered directly implies that you are missing a lot. Now you have told me that isn't the case, that is fine, there is no need to get all offended. You seem to have a very fragile ego. I'm not trying to speak down to anyone or prove anything, just pointing something out. Not everything people say in response to you is an attack on your ego. How about you don't post stuff publicly online if you don't want people responding with their perspective? Because the reasons you stated for being offended really aren't good reasons, it's not a competition to see who knows the most about music or something, and they aren't accurate to my intentions anyway. I really wasn't trying to start a fight or talk down to you and IDK why you took it that way. I was simply replying to one of your points and pointing out why it isn't correct. It doesn't matter anyway, so hope you have a good day.
This dudes taste is all over the place
If you’re a UA-cam critic, that’s a good thing.
@@vriskaserket1120 oh I agree, I watch this mans reviews all the time. His opinions on music differs madly from most other music critics; a prime example of how art is subjective.
I’m here to wash out the bad Fantano review, don’t let me down Spec.
Edit: you didn’t.
Well I’m glad at least Mark liked this album. This album was wonderful imo, lots of great tracks
Literally dropped the same time as Fantano lol
Came here cause Fantano didn’t get a single song meaning right lmao. Even if you don’t like it sonically I don’t know how you can be so off about lyrics. Liked this album. I don’t think it’s better than Trench but it’s my second fave TOP album and I think it’s better than Blurryface.
Lyrical depth can only get you so far if the music isn’t sonically pleasing or interesting (which in my opinion, Scaled And Icy is not), Linkin Park’s One More Light album is a prime example of that
@@finnmckentyslanderaccount409 and I said that it’s okay if someone doesn’t like the album. I’m just saying he didn’t get the lyrics at all lmao. You can dislike the album and still get what they’re talking about. Which Fantano didn’t.
Fantano and Spectrum Pulse disagree part 2 when?
Seriously? I know you are going rate this album with a high rating. But an 8 for this album? When Trench is just a 7?
...8 is a high rating
@@donkeykong3628 So? This should have like a 3 to 4 rating :v
@@bachnguyen9212 imo:
TOP: 6
Vessel: 9
Blurryface:8
Trench:9
SAI: 7
Scaled and Icy is so their best album.
this is quite the hot take 😂
Nah their last album was better this was a disappointment
gotta respect the hot take
nope
Uhh...yeah no
ah mark always a contrarian
Dude you nailed it, you GET IT!
Getting it and it being good are 2 different things
@@Jackrabbit7 Good thing it’s both.
This album is a rough listen, and that's coming from an ex-stan who liked Blurryface and loved Trench and Vessel. None of the messages on the songs seem that deep, none of the melodies are as memorable. It seems half baked in so many ways. And it's excruciating seeing fans defend this album with the deep lore. No this album isn't bad because Dema controls Tyler, and even if it was, a subplot can't replace good songwriting and interesting production for an album.
As another huge fan who really loves all 3, i agree tbh. Just so disappointing coming from them. Still a few good songs tho.
@@ashleyjade5607 definitely, I like The Outside and Shy Away. But the good moments are so few and far between :( And don't even get me started on Never Take It, which sounds so bad considering his hesitancy to support BLM
@@nickorlando3788 for me it was Shy Away and Redecorate, and No Chances came close to clicking, but when they're in a sea of mediocrity and Bounce Man, Saturday, and Good Day are easily the worst they've made since signing to FBR I just cant sit through this album.
Thank youuu
TOP Albums ranked
Trench: 9
SAI: 8
Self-titled: 7
Blurryface: 6
Vessel: 5
RAB: 2
I’m down with you giving this album an 8, but Trench is definitely a 10.
Well fantano gave it a 2 so we can comfortably say this is a 10
Please make a review for Daddy's Home by St Vincent 🥺✨
What an awful way to start this review. Calling Tyler a dumbass for making one joke about using his platform when he was being harassed by people to speak on an issue that you and everyone else have no right to know what he thinks about. Did you yourself not talk about the pressure and problems of artists being forced to use their platform to speak on things whether they want to or not in your video on separating art from artist? Like really. That's pretty hypocritical to point out the problems of doing exactly what you did at the beginning of this video.
use your platforms😫😫
Even Tyler knows he was foolish to post with something snarky. He should have stood his ground silently and continued to affirm mental health issues.
@@ideasmatter4737 no. It was not foolish. Nobody has the right to demand someone speak on something regardless of their platform. Snarky is talking down to an issue. He made a joke and people got so butthurt about it because everyone has to affirm their beliefs so they can feel valid. What he should have done was stood his ground with his joke because that's what it was. A joke. And anyone who took it more seriously than that needs some serious help.
Andrew Dallas I agree that once he made the post he should have stood by it. I think the post was unhelpful and unnecessary given the fragility of some of his fans.
@@ideasmatter4737 what was unnecessary is demanding to know a grown mans opinion on a topic like race and racial injustice because you listen to his music. He was being constantly harassed about it so he made a joke to alleviate the tension. Those people are lucky they even got an "apology", it's more than they deserved.
Good Day is honestly one of the worst to me. It sounds like the opening to a bad hallmark movie.
I honestly hate Formidable a lot more, sounds like a theme song to a really shitty sitcom
@@finnmckentyslanderaccount409 that one is pretty bad too tbf
I dislike Choker the most, it sounds really cliche and formulaic in terms of twenty one pilots, and it just sounds like a parody of twenty one pilots usually is.
I dislike Bounce Man the most lol
Ah man i liked how bright good day was, if it does sound like a hallmark song its like the best one, something i could actually remember.
No Chances and Redecorate are the only ones really worth listening to more than once, some other songs are okay... 3/10
Glad you liked it though
Ironically, those are the only songs of SAI I don't like.
I would include Shy Away
Hope my newest upload doesn’t ruin the first one for ya
@@carlosneto7765 thats definitely one of the more okay ones!