Simforge MRK-1 Dark Edition Pedals | First impressions
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Imagine a set of high end pedals being affordable. Ok, so both 'high end' and 'affordable' are extremely subjective. But what if, as a 'content creator' who has tried and reviewed many sets of pedals now, I told you that Simforge, a company in India who aims to make this dream a reality for the people of India, is actually releasing these pedals seen here in the flagship black edition for only $399 USD. That's with everything included. All mounting hardware, electronics and EVEN a few extra elastomers for your 24-bit 80kg load cell brake...
I apologise that this video is relatively long for a first impressions video but it covers all of the questions that I have received from my community to date and hopefully, it will also answer yours. It includes assembly, configuration, etc. But I've included timestamps in the description and if you only want to watch certain sections, that's fine by me :)
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Start: 0:00
1. Unboxing: 0:44
2. Assembly: 9:55
3. Installation: 24:28
4. Configuration: 29:17
5. First Drive (socks): 34:13
6. First Drive (shoes): 38:50
7. Heel-Toe: 42:15
8. Final Thoughts: 48:01
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Been really looking forward to this one! Its going to be interesting to see how they are holding up over time with use.
Yeah definitely! I’m going to use them intensely over the coming weeks as I have some other pedals coming for review soon too
Glad you put this out - even quicker than promised! Appreciate it!
No worries! I'm still massively behind :p But catching up
Everything looks so nice and clean, and I'm a real supporter for a red and black colour combo. Also the attention to details is amazing, especially at that price point. Nobody would be complaining if they were 150-200 euro's more expensive. I kinda like that hose pipe, really clever way to reduce even a little cost without impacting performance in any way.
Really interested to see your long term review and experience. It's stuff like this popping up in the last year that makes sim racing gear so much more exciting! And as always, great video and editing quality!
I made some adjustments today and oh boy :) very good :) incredible value
great to see the improvements made on these pedals, i got a set of these a few months ago and even then for the price point they were better then fanatec v3s but they were lacking in a number of places, great to see the improvemnts and seeing that they are constantly improving them
Yeah they promised that with every improvement, all new shipments will have that new improvement right away. They're really trying their best.
What are some of your take aways for this pedal set? I'm looking for something to upgrade from the csl elite lc pedals that are between $300-$500 max.
thats cool ! thank you laurence !! nice first impressions
You’re very welcome!
Awesome first impression video..can’t wait for long term review
Thanks man!
Great and through review. Mine are set to finally ship next week so it's a huge relief to see another positive review after the negative one that came up. Hope that guy just got a lemon set.
yeah i can only judge the hardware in front of me, and this hasn't missed a beat yet. The review is going to be good!
Lookin nice when you test new pedals with my favorite black socks
Hahaha
Hi, great video is this. Pedels are probably more important than the wheel!
I actually brought a SW15 from simplicity based on your review last year. (SW20) didn't think I need the extra 5nm and then only run it at 13nm so happy with the choice.
These seem such good value and I'm still using old V1's so this could be my next upgrade.
NICE! Yeah these would be an incredible upgrade! Glad to see you're enjoying your Simplicity base :) Thanks for the comment!
New SUB here. I fell in love with these pedals when I saw them reviewed on another channel who did a very in-depth evaluation of them and I was really glad to see your excitement and enthusiasm when you used them. I'm relatively new to sim racing (iRacing) if you don't count the years I spent running the NASCAR stuff over a dial-up internet connection (yes, I'm old) and I'm running the Logitech G920 and going to upgrade soon. These are the pedals I have penciled in as the successors to the 920. Can't wait to have my mind blown and my racing experience transformed. Thanks for the great review.
Full review coming in the near future! I played NASCAR too. The original on PC. Loved it. Very tough game with damage and all that. Thanks for the comment!
I have these…..still making daily adjustments to get everything feeling as natural as possible. But they are top notch. The only Gripe I have is the 4x M6 bolts seem to be made from very soft metal OR the relief in the head of the bolt isn’t deep enough. I stripped 3/4 of the bolts. I ended up using OEM VAG hardware i had laying around instead.
The “hose pipe” looks to be fuel line.
Laurence! Tighten all the bolts down, a few of the bolts in the brake assembly were not as tight as they could have been when I received.
Oh and grease up the brake assembly, it’ll quiet down the brake incredibly.
Sorry for all the edits, you really need to adjust the main rods upwards for stiffer feel. You will be amazed!
Great advice! Thanks! In the interest of the review I will let a lot of these things happen to me rather than ‘fixing’ them ahead of time ;)
Do you recommend the Simforge mark-1s for long term? (5 years +) I am planning on saving for these for like the next 8 months and I want to use them for as long as possible do the pedals also work as the advertised amount? I saw a review saying that the pedals work nowhere near the amount of bitrate advertised
@@slycooper4946 I have only had them for less than 1 month. With that in mind, yes, I would recommend. Theres nothing that leads me to believe they wont last me 5+ years. The construction is very robust. Even the 3D printed pieces are quality.
regarding the bit rate. I havent had an issue, but I also havent analyzed the effective bit rate in a way where i can tell you its not up to spec. I did have issues with the signal from the clutch and throttle "bouncing" around without input. The ground cable provided eased some of these issues, but it did not completely eliminate them. If the clutch was bouncing around from 0-15% before the ground strap, after I added the ground, now its jumping around 0-3%.
I hope this helps.
I have adjusted them now and they are extremely capable. I don’t know about their long term performance but I have no reason to believe that they won’t perform exceptionally well even for intensive use over time.
Been using these for 3 months now. Probably the best one out there. Upgraded to the latest Electronics you just showed. Since then braking has become GOD level for me. They're basically Heusinkveld and Mecca Quality for Fanatec Money and with electronics better than all of them with that resolution. Nice Review
I will wait a little while before making those decisions or claims. The price point is exceptional, but I need to review products on their performance mainly. So the price is important for consumers but there’s a big difference between ‘better’ and ‘better value’.
What difference did the new electronics make?
Nice work mate.
Thanks for the comment
You sounded a little hesitant to say des nuts lol.. great review! Very interested in getting a set of these pedals!
You should see the outtakes 😂😅😅
@@LaurenceDusoswa haha maybe you can make a outtakes compilation 😂
Hi Laurence. I'm upgrading my entire ecosystem starting with the Simagic Alpha and GT Pro wheel. I've always loved the look of the Simforge Mk1 pedals and am considering them. With shipping to USA, they are still a bit cheaper than the Simagic P1000 pedal set. Having tried both sets of pedals, would you think it'd be wiser to go with the P1000 or the Mk1? Thanks!
Excellent review as per usual LD! You mentioned that the brake feel was better than the standard V3's, which is great news given the price! Do you know how it might compare to the V3's with performance kit? I feel like that upgrade transformed the V3's for very little money so it would interesting to hear your thoughts on how they stand up to eachother after that :) keep up the great work man!
I would need to test them back to back, being honest but my gut feeling and memory is that the brake is quite a lot better than the fanatec brake even with the performance kit. Thanks for the kind words!
Go on son.....
Nice video and excellent coverage.
Thanks Rodney ❤️
damn, you are on it! lol I have been trying to get ahold of these for review... :(
Yeah I’ve been chatting to them for about 10 months now. Nice to have them now and get them tested :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa seem like a solid set!
I'm so tempted to pick these up, they're about $100 more than a used set of fanatec v3's where I am so it seems like an obvious choice but some of the mixed reviews on the longevity, reliability and quality sort of worry me about picking these up
Review releasing TONIGHT!!
@@LaurenceDusoswa YAYAY
Nice review, in lieu of waiting for feel vr these might be a nice alternative.
Yeah definitely a great option
Great review! some of the fiddling you have to do is making me scratch my head and making me a bit hesitant but then you look at the price lol. I don't have a profile alu cockpit, I use a TR8 Mach 3 by Trak Racer. so how would I mount these on the pedal plate? that's one of my questions. I am waiting for the simagic pedals to get a bit of a comparison :D with so many options emerging around this price points (or slightly above these), I feel like it's good to wait and compare reviews to make the best decision possible.
I have had to mess around with my Fanatec Clubsport V3 pedals a bit particularly the loadcell and I don't like to mess about too much. for me I like the ease of use. I would pay more to have the ease of use and not have to mess about at all.
Hmmm I don’t know how you might mount it. I can get you the width of the profile, which might help you. The Simagic pedals are twice the price as far as I’m aware so I don’t know if that makes them an option still. The simforge pedals are easy to install once assembled, but yeah there’s a bit of work in getting them assembled.
@@LaurenceDusoswa my budget for future pedals is 600-800 euro mark so these Simforge ones are actually lower than what i had in mind, when i looked around prior to this review :) The P2000 pedals are at the upper end of that budget range.
I don't know if you'll see this since it's an old video, but how did you attach those Logitech speakers @24:45 to your alu rig? I have the same speakers but not sure about any mounting options.
I used velcro :) Works for most things :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa That's what I'm using currently, double tape velcro thing. I thought you had a "proper" mount there, guess velcro is as solid as it gets lol.
Can thebrake pedal be proud of the throttle? I have a tough time heel and toe shifting when the brake pedal is pressed. In my car its easy to do because the brake pedal is still out further than the throttle, even when firmly pressed. The design of the pedals looks as if the pedals don't need to be in line.
Also, that base plate is ingenious. Very versatile and easily adjustable.
Yes it can. You have about 15-20mm of forward/backward adjustment in each pedal so plenty to get the position you want
You just need to adjust the preload to get throttle to come back, I’ve had these for 3 months and they are fantastic value for money.
yep that seems to be the case :) Great to see that you're a happy existing customer with no issues to report after 3 months
For the final review could you please tell me how it feels without the spring in the brake? Is it even possible to set up the brake without that spring? I tend to not like a 2 stage feeling in my brake. I’d ideally like only elastomers for my brake pedal without any spring.
I have set it up without the spring now and it is really nice. The elastomer is not in a cup though but apparently they usually ship a 25mm solid damper with it to replace the spring but my package doesn’t seem to have it. I need to look again. But to answer your questions, yes, it works great without a spring and it’s my preferred way of running them too
@@LaurenceDusoswa thanks for the immediate reply!
I try my best but can’t always be quick
The brake pedals look great. I'm most interested in the clutch. Will it rally?
It rallied pretty ok. My driving wasn't great but minimal setup required and it all went well in Dirt2.0
After having mine for a couple weeks and making adjustments, I can honestly say that these were a very worthwhile upgrade over the Fanatec V3s. The adjustability alone might be worth the price. These pedals aren't just a great value, but they're just great pedals, period.
An owner’s happiness carries way more weight than my initial impressions, but I agree with you. They’re miles better than the V3s. What I need to decide, is where they fit in the market and whether they’re better or not better than similarly priced pedals
@@LaurenceDusoswa Well, like you mentioned in your video, these pedals were developed for the simracing market in India, but just happened to gain some traction to the rest of the world. If these pedals continue to sell well, hopefully that'll inspire SimForge to continue improving and release a Mk2 pedal set and do a worldwide marketing campaign and shake up the simracing pedal market, much like what Fanatec did with their CSL DD for the direct drive market. I know SimForge are nowhere near as big as Fanatec, but they can still carve out a nice niche for themselves. In any case, we all know more options means more competition and innovation, which is always good for us!
Oh wow I only just realised these comments were on the simforge and not the Simagic video I released today! Hahaha. The simforge are also better than the v3s and totally worth the price tag!
@@LaurenceDusoswa hahahaha! All good. I just watched that video as well. The Simagic pedals look nice too. Is there really that much of a difference in pedal feel with the hydraulic setup vs the springs/elastomers of other pedals? If so, does that difference warrant 2 x the price of other pedals?
@@soloist80 I don’t think they’ll make you quicker regardless of how much you pay :) it’s really a preference thing. Out of the box, the Simagic pedals feel better than the simforge. But the simforge have incredible adjustment and represent extremely good value. The simforge have a better base plate too.
11:57 DEEZ NUTS
Hahahaha you really should have seen the outtake 😂
Would you still recommend these after 2 months of use?! I’m looking at upgrading my thrust master t3pa!
YES :) I released a review just last night: ua-cam.com/video/-eaA_8PnQUc/v-deo.html
That Diwali thing is pretty cool. Since it’s so close to Guy Fawkes night it’s constant fireworks here 🤣
Yeah I like that touch. Shows that they're making an effort and have the values of the people who will buy them, close to heart! Thanks for the comment
If they were 400 shipped I'd buy them now but to ship to North America was like 500+ if I recall correctly. Still looks like a great set with a lot of adjustability. If they get a US distribution center. I might hop on em. ;)
They’re working on it
@@LaurenceDusoswa Good to hear!
I should have my set in hand by the end of this month and hopefully I'll have the same impressions as you. I've been hearing that their QC can be hit or miss, so I'm a little concerned. Looking forward to your long term review. Thanks for the video!
Yeah it’s a new product and I can only go by my experiences. But so far, so good :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa Great to hear. I'm currently using the Fanatec V3s so I'm really hoping it's an actual upgrade as opposed to a sidegrade.
@@soloist80 I can now confirm it’s a major upgrade over the v3s.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Well, shoot. That's awesome. Now I'm really excited to get mine (hopefully without any QC issues)!
@@soloist80 And how are they?
How's the electronics board Laurence?
It works great! No issues with the latest version
does these work for logitech fanatech wheel base? and console im on ps5
They do not work on console unfortunately
@@LaurenceDusoswa thanks fanatec v3 it is than sir. Thanks Lawrence.
I wanna order, but not sure if its gonna make sense because of the 100 euros delivery fee plus custom tax charges because its being shipped from india to denmark, so its probably another 3-400 euros. So around 750 euros, not worth it right?
Actually Your calculation is way off. For the Dark Edition in USD 400+93(Shipping)+80 (Approx VAT) =573$ USD .
That's around 500 Euros
For the 3 Pedal set it comes to around 510$ USD . That's around 445 Euros
Yep I think @niranjan is closer with the calculation. Anything under the €600 mark, this product is definitely a no brainer. I would highly recommend. It’s exceptional value.
These or the Simagic P2000's given I'm looking to go into the Simagic DD ecosystem?These or the Simagic P2000's given I'm looking to go into the Simagic DD ecosystem?
It’s a close one to be honest. You wouldn’t be disappointed with either
@Laurence Dusoswa Cheers Lawrence. Waiting on Asetek but likely to go with Simagic(love their wheels particularly the FX Pro) or VRS, find Asetek a bit strange and don't like the Formula wheel as it looks cheap but meant to be a great wheelbase.
Reminds me of the sprints with less of a detail in material usage
Yeah they're not as 'tight' as the sprints but i haven't gone near the adjustments. the baseplate is so much better than the heusinkveld baseplate though.
Did you have to pay import tax? And are they game console compatible.?
I paid import tax, yes. No idea if they intend to have console compatibility but it's worth asking them. They're active on instagram
@@LaurenceDusoswa how much was import duty on these? was it just 20% tax or was there more?
If I was in the market at that price point I’d definitely go with these over Fanatec V3s.
I think they're a good buy over the V3s, yeah
Been considering them for a while but my V3's are still treating me well...
Yeah don’t fix what ain’t broke! V3s are good, especially with the performance kit
@@LaurenceDusoswa I got the hydraulic kit, I bypassed the extra rubbers and I made my clutch pedal face and the throttle pedal face with some aluminum. ;) They feel pretty good (better than my real pedals).
After so much time, how do you see it?
Really good pedals
@@LaurenceDusoswa And hasn't the motherboard suffered any problems?
@Porsche_x I haven’t been using them all the time but I’ve had no such issues
Could have at least synced pedal inputs properly, inner ocd goes crazy over it.
It nearly made me redo the video but I didn't have time. Sorry :( I only get one shot at first impressions unfortunately
Is that an SRHI button box i see? Noice!
Yep it is :) I never reviewed it. I did a short video on it way back but not a review.
I AM not doing IT , first damm , sry Laurence 🤣
hahaha you were quick!
Oh no, my wallet is starting to sweat again 🤣
That’s what happens 😅😅😅
that part with connecting 4 wires is dumb they could have just made into regular ethernet port like the rest
I do believe they have changed that to a usb port for all current and future iterations
@@LaurenceDusoswa ah, nice just looked at the website looks to be an ethernet port. It would have been a good option if I did not already have Fanatec v3. just ordered Heusinkveld Sim Handbrake V2 will see how that does in dirt rally 2.0
Having to do DIY shit on €600 pedals. Already regretting buying these pedals. Thanks for the assemblty vid anyway coz Simforge doesn't even provide an install guide.
there's assembly involved for sure. did you get them yet? do yours have usb ports or do you still need to wire it up manually?
@@LaurenceDusoswa I have a RJ11 cable
@@LaurenceDusoswa Update: managed to bolt the pedals and plate on my NLR F-GT rig, but I cannot put the upper plate because the rig pedal plate is too narrow. Maybe longer bolts will fix it?
Barry Rowland is looking younger.
My voice is nowhere near as good as his and my technical knowledge won’t ever be either :p
11:57 deez nuts. Haa goteem
hahaha