COOL bike! Great Company! And to partner up with pinion is a great idea, to put the in the spotlight.... not going the easy way, and using Shimano or Brose, outting themselves into a mix of a lot other great bikes!
@@Scottishebikeadventures I also want rear brake free bikes. If no derailer then they could use motor reverse magnetism to have regenerative braking and program in anti lock braking controls
It everything I want- big battery, big suspension travel, and no derailer. It's like the ultimate adventure emtb. Plus it looks like the perfect location for a weekend of enduro bike packing 😍
“Large side flange” - now that’s a phrase you don’t expect to hear on a Sunday morning Steve! As for the bike itself - the frame, build and attention to detail is superb (possibly not to everyone’s taste). The heart of this package, MGU and drive system, takes emtb out of the dark ages into the 21st century where the technology needs to be. Personally, because of the price point, would wait a year or two and let the market place debug the system and the next evolutions come on stream when this gets months of trashing in the mud, wet and grime here in the UK. Using in manual or fully auto is a great option which depending on where you’re riding and how knackered you are, you set to suit (look at most performance cars and how they are used). As for the weight - well, it a bit of a current marketing obsession but with riders like ourselves at 95kg, the 85kg rider is better off immediately and the 100kg rider less so. I know it’s where that weight sits but a few KG extra, lower in a bike setup it no big deal. 😎
And dont forget how much one reduces the unsprung mass of the rear wheel if there is no cassette and no derailleur.... So much better sensitivity, especially with the coil!!
as someone who always has to fit high-rise bars on his bikes, I'm liking the generous stack-height dimensions which are arising from the generous head-tube lengths - even the size Small has 150mm head tube! Might not appeal to everyone though.
Hope Steve's recovering well! I find quiet, clean as far as oil goes belt drives the way to go. But would definitely be all for the rack mudguards and lights myself.
I like the rack and mud guards on this bike. Aftermarket mud guards look like they are made to be deliberately strange... I've destroyed three derailleurs on my e-mtbs with the sticks and rocks where I ride so I'm for doing away with 'em. Not crunching gearshifts uphill would be a treat too.
@@danielsimmonds5162 I ride all year round and live in Austria.. We have also a lot of snow and bad weather... And those look good compared to some of the available plastic options for retro fitting
Game changers have come and gone before. If the industry refuses to adopt (and pay for) pinion MGU’s it’ll get forgotten about which is highly likely. Just to add to the pressure whos got 10k to throw at a 27kg bike thats largely unproven IRL? If it survives 2 or 3 evolutions it’ll be good but right now its more like putting 10k on red or black
Pinion is at least 10 years old and highly regarded for robust long lasting bike gear boxes. No worries there. Even if the wider derailleur based industry ignores the MGU there are enough niche companies onboard with it to survive. For instance both Moustache and Riese & Muller are jumping on board this year & next, so now you have medium sized companies & uptake is spreading. Decathlon now have their own brand MGU for commuter bikes and I think both commuter and trekking bikes like this version of the Nicolai will see the greatest take up first. Emtbs are a cutthroat world right now with new entries like DJI and ZF jostling for space with the established Brose, Bosch, Yamaha Bafang etc. so that world is a tougher sell with the niche high price of the Pinion. It's not in Sram or Shimano's interest to come out with a derailleur killer.
@@BillyBob-ri9pmthe gearbox itself has been around for a while and seems to be solid but the Pinion motor is the concern and whether it will be durable. There’s at least one person in the comments section that is having issues with their MGU.
More emtbs need to have the ability to have racks on their back - more of us over-50s want them as cross country tourers. Carrying my things in a pannier bag on a rear rack whilst going on long country hikes is a big plus when choosing any bike. I am as interested in the Nicholai for the rack and rear mudguard as I am in the gearbox... and then you immediately remove both
@@RoissyAngel I bought a cube stereo hybrid allroad for this same reason. I use my emtb to commute so the ability to have fenders and a rear rack from the get go is awesome
Hallo Steve for me the Bike is to Heavy with 28 kg.The Pinion Drive Unit is good but Sorry 28 Kg and you say is a Uphill Tool Not for me .Thanks for the Work you do and the Location that Trail where is it in North Italy
Nothing excites me more than the idea of a maintenance free motor-gearbox. Will this bike be available in the states? How much will it set me back? Are there any other competitors to Pinion, or are they the only ones who see the future of eMTB? Thanks for the video gents.
Except for the weight, I like it. Not maintenance free since it has shocks which still need servicing at regular intervals, but so does any MTB. Wondering what the rear rack maximum payload is?
I've 2x Nicolai gboxx's - not e bikes circa 2008 and 2010 - build quality and design details are insane - as soon as i saw the eboxx version I had it on my list of ONE as I almost bought the previous version with hub gears but 6 months covid delivery put me off so I went levo and 2 motors later it's ok but..................................I've trashed more transmission components maybe £1500 in 4 years with pennine mud wear and tear
Wow thanks for the amazing video guys! Wonderful bike in a wonderful location! I'm very very tempted by the Nicolai Saturn MGU with the explorer add-ons but I'm a bit surprised by how close they've fitted the mud guard to the tyres. Did you ever get stones jammed between them? I also suspect that these mud guards wouldn't work well in sticky mud.
I’ve got the simplon rapcon with the MGU, done 500miles in 5 weeks and love the bike. I take a little getting used to the MGU and how it works. But I have had a failure with he MGU, it isn’t the gear box itself , but is looking like a problem with the electronics/internal PCB. Bike is away waiting for diagnosis and repair ! It’s not put me off, its the only way to go.
economies of scale. right now Pinion are tiny and selling to tiny bespoke companies like Nicolai. The fence sitters of Shimano, Sram etc need to come on board for mass-market and then prices will drop.
My LBS have raised cynicism in me; is there a good after sales service & is there just more to go wrong with the MGU? Personally I love the look & tech of it all but I have some, small doubts
Just a quickie, Get some impact resistant knee protectors and wear them when riding.lm currently nursing a fractured patella due to a MTB topple,which could have easily been prevented using knee protectors. Great bike and shoot. Protect your knees!
Belt drives are a really good idea but how many shops stock them, at least with a chain you can fix it there and then. I think for commuter bikes they make a lot of sense as does a geared crankset or rear hub.
Nicolai: No RD, no Chain 5 digit price tag Me: Thoses pegs are very width! Why does it turn like crazy? Oh... it's an ebike! My shop: Don't forget we have a financial plan, for all those repairs it may need (new engine for ex....).
i want to have one of this kind of emtb but i wait coz i have 2 emtb and now im looking to buy a hose so maybe in 2 years i got one .I hope in 2 years moore brand to developed this kind of emtb
Neither Pinion MGU or that DJI motor around long enough for proper muddy gritty long term winter testing! Very curious to see how they both survive and what the warranty process is like.
I've been riding my MGU now for 1345km and done 29km elevation. The belt drive is amazing, light, quiet. The motor preforms without a complaint and endures my bad shifting choices. The terrain has been so muddy that my tyre was a slick. I hope this amazing bike will continue to provide me with amazing trails high up in the mountains.
Would be great if Pinion can make an affordable mass market version with Gates carbon belt for non-eMTB's and eMTB's in the very near future.. or a couple of other companies can build their own similar versions to bring prices down.
Nice i’dd like to compare the Alu Nicolai with my CF Rapcon, it sure looks better. Anyway, Pinion/Efit please asap a mtb remote (no joystick nobby) and a 12V charger. It would be nice to make 25kmh speedlimit less abrupt( ie motor support ‘eco’ up to 32kmh) This would be lovely on flow trax!
Nope its not its ca 5 % less eeicent than the bosch cx gen4 , but its same than the DJI .. it has way more Support than teh Bosch . I turned it a bit Down
Absolutly bno Noise down ( havent u seen the Video ? ) Up its in Gear 1-4 Louder than Bosch , 5-8 same like Bosch , 9-12 more silent than bosch . U Have to try it on your own if u can handle the sound in gear 1-4 . The Nicolai is in my opinion more silent than the carbon MGU Bikes .
Gearbox / belt drive is the future. Also, we don't need 12 or even 10 gears on an e-bike. Someone should come out with a, say.... 8 speed gearbox that trades complexity for ruggedness and affordability so long as it has a 500% range.
@@windinthewillows6248I’ve been asking for for realistic starter bike reviews for people who may not hat cycled for some years but no still throwing unreasonably priced amounts around like seriously who has 4-10k to buy a bike with that have kids , average regional wages ect
At 11'000 Euros without options this bike needs all the advertising in the world, and it seems that EMTB is really eager to give it. I know that Nicolai is as far as possible from an entry brand, but one could buy a really god motorcycle (talking about comparing apples and oranges) at half the price. And at 27 Kg is at least 5 kg to heavy.
If you apply this tech more widely, it really is the future of transportation. The maintenance, power and capability is unrivaled and the storage space is minimal. I would love this tech in a commuter bike for £4k with 5 or 6 years warranty.
Where you going to risk parking a 4-6k bike you don’t need a commuter bike you just need a reasonable priced bike that will do it all been asking for starters do it all bike reviews for ages and they only seem interested in silly money bikes for silly rides not the big picture
@@darrenjones3681 my place of work has key card access for bikes. I climb 10-20% hills on the way back from work. They salt the roads and it rains half the week. Chains and motors get burnt out easily for me so this is what I want. Motorbikes don't get their own place to park and cost on insurance tax and fuel. This is the best for me.
Thar's the future. I'm tired of the classic transmission and trying to sell us absurdly expensive new ones with no changes for daily use at all. Classic transmission is still living just because industry wants to sell the parts every year. It's artificially sopped progress by big players.
Hello, beside the weight of the bike, it looks nice, but it leads me to the same questions, in case of problems, warranty claims, how long take for exemple to replace the motor? Frame? Thanks for all the nice knowledge of ebike, learning a lot.
Most ebike companies worth their salt are both aware of the motor failure rates and have robust warranty systems in place. This is brand new so no word yet on motor failure rates but the existing pinion analogue gear boxes are extremely robust and backed by solid warranty from Pinion. All motors could/can fail. I've had my Spesh SL motor replaced twice under warranty.
@@BillyBob-ri9pm i had my 3 times then i sold my kenevo, pinion isn't a new system, last year someone already have rode this system. It's the same questions about the dji motor, I would like to test booth but all must be considered
Rab made a Build 25 , xx KG in Large . But the Weight is absolutöy no Problem when riding this Bike . But i often here the noobish answer to many good bikes .. but the weight ...
@1970madre weight is problem. Handling 28 kg thing could be problem for lot of people. Roof rack is designed for 20 kg (many ebikes without battery can do that)
What do you think of the new Nicolai bike?
I rode it in June on our Festival in the bavarian forrest. This thing is a beast!
COOL bike! Great Company! And to partner up with pinion is a great idea, to put the in the spotlight.... not going the easy way, and using Shimano or Brose, outting themselves into a mix of a lot other great bikes!
good for e-bikes, would have been good to show the autoshift on that same climb....
They have to refine the motor for less noise...there is also a new bike from Moustache coming out with the Pinion motor, called the Project Box 46
28 kg....
This is what we want - derailleur free bikes 👍
@@Scottishebikeadventures I also want rear brake free bikes. If no derailer then they could use motor reverse magnetism to have regenerative braking and program in anti lock braking controls
Just less than £9k
It everything I want- big battery, big suspension travel, and no derailer.
It's like the ultimate adventure emtb. Plus it looks like the perfect location for a weekend of enduro bike packing 😍
“Large side flange” - now that’s a phrase you don’t expect to hear on a Sunday morning Steve!
As for the bike itself - the frame, build and attention to detail is superb (possibly not to everyone’s taste). The heart of this package, MGU and drive system, takes emtb out of the dark ages into the 21st century where the technology needs to be. Personally, because of the price point, would wait a year or two and let the market place debug the system and the next evolutions come on stream when this gets months of trashing in the mud, wet and grime here in the UK. Using in manual or fully auto is a great option which depending on where you’re riding and how knackered you are, you set to suit (look at most performance cars and how they are used). As for the weight - well, it a bit of a current marketing obsession but with riders like ourselves at 95kg, the 85kg rider is better off immediately and the 100kg rider less so. I know it’s where that weight sits but a few KG extra, lower in a bike setup it no big deal. 😎
Just wait till next year, this ultra pricey EMTB will also be out dated.
And dont forget how much one reduces the unsprung mass of the rear wheel if there is no cassette and no derailleur.... So much better sensitivity, especially with the coil!!
Steve.
Love the work you do😊
Mgu + belt is what we want.
I love Steve, such an amazing story teller! ❤
Very easy to listen to and get into story
Fantastic bike and motor gearbox, really happy i am getting one . I will be one lucky lad
Love me some adventure bikes and with no derailleur?!?! Nice!!
as someone who always has to fit high-rise bars on his bikes, I'm liking the generous stack-height dimensions which are arising from the generous head-tube lengths - even the size Small has 150mm head tube! Might not appeal to everyone though.
Wait for the new Haibike MGU 🤗
Please PLEASE give some details. Thanks in advance.
@@bernardvreulink2457 it is top secret, wait and see
The ability to track stand and dump gears 🙌
Hope Steve's recovering well! I find quiet, clean as far as oil goes belt drives the way to go. But would definitely be all for the rack mudguards and lights myself.
I like the rack and mud guards on this bike. Aftermarket mud guards look like they are made to be deliberately strange... I've destroyed three derailleurs on my e-mtbs with the sticks and rocks where I ride so I'm for doing away with 'em. Not crunching gearshifts uphill would be a treat too.
Great bike. Beautiful scenery! 👍
Cool video! Mudguards are great!
A "must" in Bonnie Scotland!! 🌧️☔⛈️!!
@@danielsimmonds5162 I ride all year round and live in Austria.. We have also a lot of snow and bad weather... And those look good compared to some of the available plastic options for retro fitting
The view is breathtaking
28kg !!! That’s the deal breaker
Game changers have come and gone before. If the industry refuses to adopt (and pay for) pinion MGU’s it’ll get forgotten about which is highly likely. Just to add to the pressure whos got 10k to throw at a 27kg bike thats largely unproven IRL? If it survives 2 or 3 evolutions it’ll be good but right now its more like putting 10k on red or black
Pinion is at least 10 years old and highly regarded for robust long lasting bike gear boxes. No worries there. Even if the wider derailleur based industry ignores the MGU there are enough niche companies onboard with it to survive. For instance both Moustache and Riese & Muller are jumping on board this year & next, so now you have medium sized companies & uptake is spreading. Decathlon now have their own brand MGU for commuter bikes and I think both commuter and trekking bikes like this version of the Nicolai will see the greatest take up first. Emtbs are a cutthroat world right now with new entries like DJI and ZF jostling for space with the established Brose, Bosch, Yamaha Bafang etc. so that world is a tougher sell with the niche high price of the Pinion. It's not in Sram or Shimano's interest to come out with a derailleur killer.
@@BillyBob-ri9pmthe gearbox itself has been around for a while and seems to be solid but the Pinion motor is the concern and whether it will be durable. There’s at least one person in the comments section that is having issues with their MGU.
Your right ,Steve is getting paid to push all these exspensive bikes,I Wish he Would go away.
Love that bike!!
More emtbs need to have the ability to have racks on their back - more of us over-50s want them as cross country tourers. Carrying my things in a pannier bag on a rear rack whilst going on long country hikes is a big plus when choosing any bike. I am as interested in the Nicholai for the rack and rear mudguard as I am in the gearbox... and then you immediately remove both
@@RoissyAngel I bought a cube stereo hybrid allroad for this same reason. I use my emtb to commute so the ability to have fenders and a rear rack from the get go is awesome
Hallo Steve for me the Bike is to Heavy with 28 kg.The Pinion Drive Unit is good but Sorry 28 Kg and you say is a Uphill Tool Not for me .Thanks for the Work you do and the Location that Trail where is it in North Italy
Nothing excites me more than the idea of a maintenance free motor-gearbox. Will this bike be available in the states? How much will it set me back? Are there any other competitors to Pinion, or are they the only ones who see the future of eMTB? Thanks for the video gents.
Thanks for the sales pitch! 😳
Except for the weight, I like it. Not maintenance free since it has shocks which still need servicing at regular intervals, but so does any MTB. Wondering what the rear rack maximum payload is?
I've 2x Nicolai gboxx's - not e bikes circa 2008 and 2010 - build quality and design details are insane - as soon as i saw the eboxx version I had it on my list of ONE as I almost bought the previous version with hub gears but 6 months covid delivery put me off so I went levo and 2 motors later it's ok but..................................I've trashed more transmission components maybe £1500 in 4 years with pennine mud wear and tear
We don't want derailleur anymore! Finish with this antiquated bike mechanism already!
Wow thanks for the amazing video guys! Wonderful bike in a wonderful location! I'm very very tempted by the Nicolai Saturn MGU with the explorer add-ons but I'm a bit surprised by how close they've fitted the mud guard to the tyres. Did you ever get stones jammed between them? I also suspect that these mud guards wouldn't work well in sticky mud.
I tested this motor, and it felt good, but compared to Sram or Pinion, Sram shifts more smoothly and runs more consistently without jerking.
I’ve got the simplon rapcon with the MGU, done 500miles in 5 weeks and love the bike. I take a little getting used to the MGU and how it works.
But I have had a failure with he MGU, it isn’t the gear box itself , but is looking like a problem with the electronics/internal PCB. Bike is away waiting for diagnosis and repair !
It’s not put me off, its the only way to go.
This definitely is the future, the big thing is cost and availability worldwide?
economies of scale. right now Pinion are tiny and selling to tiny bespoke companies like Nicolai. The fence sitters of Shimano, Sram etc need to come on board for mass-market and then prices will drop.
My LBS have raised cynicism in me; is there a good after sales service & is there just more to go wrong with the MGU? Personally I love the look & tech of it all but I have some, small doubts
Nice video! Love the bike, great review of it. Would love to ride that trail. Is the route on Komoot? Can you post it?
i want more brand explore this idea is this the future of emtb
Just a quickie, Get some impact resistant knee protectors and wear them when riding.lm currently nursing a fractured patella due to a MTB topple,which could have easily been prevented using knee protectors. Great bike and shoot. Protect your knees!
We all know the risks.
I want one but can’t get one in California. The amflow sounds good too with that Uber powerful Dji motor.
Belt drives are a really good idea but how many shops stock them, at least with a chain you can fix it there and then. I think for commuter bikes they make a lot of sense as does a geared crankset or rear hub.
@@ebikescrapper3925 you could order a few and take them with you go out. I do this with a chain already as we all should especially riding an eMTB
Nicolai:
No RD, no Chain
5 digit price tag
Me:
Thoses pegs are very width! Why does it turn like crazy? Oh... it's an ebike!
My shop:
Don't forget we have a financial plan, for all those repairs it may need (new engine for ex....).
i want to have one of this kind of emtb but i wait coz i have 2 emtb and now im looking to buy a hose so maybe in 2 years i got one .I hope in 2 years moore brand to developed this kind of emtb
Does it have a dropper post? Or is it just that specific model or did it just not get installed?
If I may ask, what are these like when pedalling above the limiter compared to a typical Shimano or Bosch powered bike? Many thanks 😃
Nah, not for me. The belt dive is cool but I’d rather have 19.5kg Amflo with Sram Transmission and that glorious DJI motor.
Neither Pinion MGU or that DJI motor around long enough for proper muddy gritty long term winter testing! Very curious to see how they both survive and what the warranty process is like.
Dji motor drain your battery quickly
I've been riding my MGU now for 1345km and done 29km elevation.
The belt drive is amazing, light, quiet. The motor preforms without a complaint and endures my bad shifting choices. The terrain has been so muddy that my tyre was a slick.
I hope this amazing bike will continue to provide me with amazing trails high up in the mountains.
@@boulderghost4457 Now picture it with a belt drive🤯. I got to ride a belt drive e-bike in Europe, game changer!
@@Jeff-yy5fe that would be the dream
Would be great if Pinion can make an affordable mass market version with Gates carbon belt for non-eMTB's and eMTB's in the very near future.. or a couple of other companies can build their own similar versions to bring prices down.
Decathlon already have a commuter bike with their own MGU. Not enough gear range for EMTB but ideal for maintenance free commuting.
What happened to the Valeo Motor Gear Box Unit ? Did it disappear ? We need competition between several MGU manufacturers to drive the prices down.
Nice i’dd like to compare the Alu Nicolai with my CF Rapcon, it sure looks better. Anyway, Pinion/Efit please asap a mtb remote (no joystick nobby) and a 12V charger. It would be nice to make 25kmh speedlimit less abrupt( ie motor support ‘eco’ up to 32kmh) This would be lovely on flow trax!
Oh crap I’d miss lubing the chain😢
- nobody
Is the engine more efficient in range than conventional ones I’m interested in
Nope its not its ca 5 % less eeicent than the bosch cx gen4 , but its same than the DJI .. it has way more Support than teh Bosch . I turned it a bit Down
what's the motor noise/clunk like up and down hill?
Absolutly bno Noise down ( havent u seen the Video ? ) Up its in Gear 1-4 Louder than Bosch , 5-8 same like Bosch , 9-12 more silent than bosch . U Have to try it on your own if u can handle the sound in gear 1-4 . The Nicolai is in my opinion more silent than the carbon MGU Bikes .
Gearbox / belt drive is the future. Also, we don't need 12 or even 10 gears on an e-bike. Someone should come out with a, say.... 8 speed gearbox that trades complexity for ruggedness and affordability so long as it has a 500% range.
What's the over/under on pedal strikes and a warranty claim? How long to get a claim and a replacement?
I love this brand!! And I also love this model " but" the only not so cool thing I see it's! Those 28 kilos! Anyway it's an awesome bike actually! 😊
I have the Simplon Rapcon Pinion, carbon and 26kg. Also very heavy. I've carried that thing on my shoulders through some hiking path steps. Not easy.
Love it but could never afford it!!
Agreed, beyond most people’s budgets sadly.
@@windinthewillows6248I’ve been asking for for realistic starter bike reviews for people who may not hat cycled for some years but no still throwing unreasonably priced amounts around like seriously who has 4-10k to buy a bike with that have kids , average regional wages ect
I love it, just wish it had regen so i never had to replace brakes…. and i could afford it.
At 11'000 Euros without options this bike needs all the advertising in the world, and it seems that EMTB is really eager to give it. I know that Nicolai is as far as possible from an entry brand, but one could buy a really god motorcycle (talking about comparing apples and oranges) at half the price. And at 27 Kg is at least 5 kg to heavy.
You don't buy a motorbike if you want an efully. Also nobody is mentioning the money you spend less for maintenance. ☮️
1.5 taper headset or the new large 1.8 ?
What's the rack about.
Is it waterproof?.
How many miles or elevation gain can it go????
I like the MGU and belt system, but 1000€ on mudguards is ridiculous.
Dji and belt :)
Put Urban tires on it and let me test drive it here in New York City for a couple months
Get the Flyer Goroc TR:X 8.63 HS. It does 45km/h and offers everythibg for street riding.
If you apply this tech more widely, it really is the future of transportation. The maintenance, power and capability is unrivaled and the storage space is minimal. I would love this tech in a commuter bike for £4k with 5 or 6 years warranty.
Where you going to risk parking a 4-6k bike you don’t need a commuter bike you just need a reasonable priced bike that will do it all been asking for starters do it all bike reviews for ages and they only seem interested in silly money bikes for silly rides not the big picture
@@darrenjones3681 my place of work has key card access for bikes. I climb 10-20% hills on the way back from work. They salt the roads and it rains half the week. Chains and motors get burnt out easily for me so this is what I want. Motorbikes don't get their own place to park and cost on insurance tax and fuel. This is the best for me.
And pinion go out of business and tske their proprietary technology with them.
6yr warranty 😂 even the ali’ frame is suffering after 6yrs
💪
Pinion needs more competition. Their price is so high and ridiculous.
Very interesting.
Now they just have to make it cost less than DOUBLE what I just paid for my brand new 450cc enduro motorcycle.
is your Motorcyle a handcrafted bike from an G7 State ?
@@1970madre yep
I want more more more
28kgs !! , how much does the motor , drive train weigh ?
4.2kg for the MGU. The rest falls on big battery, suspenion, wheels, aluminium frame.
Belt and suspenders? Seems designed by a safety engineer
big issues right outta the box price 18k can not available in canada i can buy a gasgas300 and a rocky mt power play for the same price
i doubt , these thin gs are way too expensive anyway.
Thar's the future. I'm tired of the classic transmission and trying to sell us absurdly expensive new ones with no changes for daily use at all. Classic transmission is still living just because industry wants to sell the parts every year. It's artificially sopped progress by big players.
Hello, beside the weight of the bike, it looks nice, but it leads me to the same questions, in case of problems, warranty claims, how long take for exemple to replace the motor? Frame? Thanks for all the nice knowledge of ebike, learning a lot.
Most ebike companies worth their salt are both aware of the motor failure rates and have robust warranty systems in place. This is brand new so no word yet on motor failure rates but the existing pinion analogue gear boxes are extremely robust and backed by solid warranty from Pinion. All motors could/can fail. I've had my Spesh SL motor replaced twice under warranty.
@@BillyBob-ri9pm i had my 3 times then i sold my kenevo, pinion isn't a new system, last year someone already have rode this system. It's the same questions about the dji motor, I would like to test booth but all must be considered
28 kilos?
Its a brilliant bike but the cost is rediculous ❤ maybe the UK government will buy you one if your overweight and not working 😊
For the first time in my life, i feel actual jealousy. gg.
If that was a FAT bike I would get one tomorrow..:)
Never buy an emtb without a warranty, so no second hand
Nice bike but to heavy😊
aint change shit w that price 💔
Everything is funny until you find out it's 28 kg... it's extremely heavy. What's so heavy on this bike? Motor unit or frame?
1000w battery may weight 8kg...
Rab made a Build 25 , xx KG in Large . But the Weight is absolutöy no Problem when riding this Bike . But i often here the noobish answer to many good bikes .. but the weight ...
@1970madre weight is problem. Handling 28 kg thing could be problem for lot of people. Roof rack is designed for 20 kg (many ebikes without battery can do that)
@@cedricgtrable my 750 wh bosch battery weight 4.4 kg
Weight is relative. Dirt bikes weigh 200 lbs and are still fun to ride on tight trails. Its all what you’re used to and your expectations.
Sell, sell,sell. Spend that money kids! What ever you own is outdated and old school.
11,000€. Lol.
Total exaggeration of replacement derailleur prices, £700 one.minute and €1000 the next, get a grip.
Cost far too much
First🎉
It needs to go on a diet.
german quality is go away long time ago
@krisbot- really ?
Bosch , brose, sachs, BMZ, TQ , magura , schwalbe , continental , cube , haibike , reese and muller, etc etc etc .
stop trolling
Glad you removed the rack. It just negates all the unsprung weight gains from removing the rear mech and cassette.