Bt sport should make sylvain the tech guy for their broadcasts! He’s made more sense over the last few uploads than anyone has watching 20+ years of motogp. Thanks Sylvain
Great work explaining something MotoGP followers never knew exact details of. Whether Suzuki realizes it or not, you've become a great brand ambassador for them.
Only a month or so the channel is started but already the content is light years away from my expectation. Thanks for shedding light on the technology and for explaining them in such a details. Biggest thumbs up ever. :)
@@8180634 think it was the africa twin or something, but considering its not popular means its not good hahaha, lets keep it that way, i prefer the clutch the way it is.
@@8180634 they still have it now on their Africa twin,x-adv,nc750x and their latest Goldwing with the gen 3 dct.. according to reviewers the gearbox works perfectly well. I've rode the x-adv before and personally i like it.. maybe some others don't..
Very outstanding content, no wonder why Suzuki GSXRR gp bike now had very competitive performance..yeah with very good test rider absolutely.. The engineer must be satisfied with your comment on the gsxrr Sylvain
I first noticed this because the audible difference of downshifting on a MotoGP bike vs. WSBK or other sport bike. The autoblip feature + seamless transmission seems to have a very hard-to-notice separation between shifts, almost creating a downshift all at once, even if it’s several gears being dropped.
Very clear and sensible explanation, thank you! I always wondered why we aren't seeing seamless gearbox technology on the open market. Even though the production bikes are less powerful, I think every rider can benefit from a smoother gear shifting experience. I hope the manufacturers will develop some more robust models soon... they would definitely sell more bikes that way ;-)
Maybe is still too expensive and complicated to be mass produced, but as street bike power level keep increasing my bet is we will see this on flagship superbike first.
My understanding is the same - Seamless Shift Gearboxes are beyond Swiss Watch Levels of Precision and Complexity,it would be way too expensive to put them on standard Road Bikes.
Kind of makes me wonder how we ever raced superbikes without computers on them.... then I'm reminded of Reg Pridmore... if you were ever lucky enough to attend his riding school and even luckier to have gotten a ride-around on the back of his BMW you'd have gotten a real world demonstration of how this was (expertly) done in the analog days... with the CLUTCH LEVER and some skills.
Wow Sylvain, so that explains perfectly fully to me that MotoGP is in a league, a class of it's own, with riders that might not actually be mere humans after all. I'm just getting to grips with my basic upshift only factory Quickshift on my 2014 Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC. The bike you raced like a demon back in the day - or the super human you must be!👍🏻I'm not even a Suzuki fan but I've subscribed here!
Fascinating. That system was developed on cars in the 20's? I know it was never adopted because it was expensive and complex then. Seems like it was the delahaye that used it.
Loved the explanation, as always Sylvain! I did think that the fact that neutral is below 1st gear instead of between 1st and 2nd, would be the biggest gain (no more false neutrals)...but your explanation makes a ton of sense.
VState60 neutral below 1st? When is that applied on a race bike? Genuine question? And “false neutrals” are situated between gears where there isn’t meant to be a neutral eg 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, or going down those gears. Caused by either poor gearbox design, wear/damage, or rider error. An example would be the rider is in 2nd, clicks up on the lever, which disengages the 2nd driven gear, but due to any of the above reasons, 3rd gear does not engage into its drive position and still spins freely on its shaft, creating a “false neutral” between 2nd and 3rd. Hope that makes sense? ua-cam.com/video/g8xnIFf4id4/v-deo.html
New Goldwing 1800 DCT have the smoothest gearbox as a production bike on the market. It is like driving the scooter with Vario and dry clutch at the back
Looks like it's basically similar thing to Honda's Dual Clutch transmission. It also has 2 gears engaged at e time with only one providing actual torque to the wheel.
If you want to see the technology they utilise search for zeroshift seamless gearbox. It is the technology that Honda utilised/copied when they introduced it to MotoGP. I assume all the other manufacturers have a variation that is similar.
Sylvain, thanks for all of the great content! Question, do you have the regular shift pattern or a race shift pattern on your personal GSXR, and why? Thanks in advance!
Hi there. Thank you for all the interesting videos especially in this time. This was very interesting. Is it possible to do a video on GP shift vs Road shift. Benefits for us weekend track riders and club racers. Are there any top racers that use normal road shift in racing? Thanks.
I am getting horribly short tire life compared to others using identical tires on similar or identical motorcycles. I do not think I am abusing them I dont drag race or even ride around town to be doing standing start quick acceleration at traffic lights. What I DO however is most of my miles are in the mountain twisty roads so I do LOTS of gear changes lots and lots and of course I have up and down quick shifter that I LOVE. My Yamaha 890cc CP3 engine *tracer 9gt basically a heavy version of MT09) has great torque for a production sub liter class sport touring motorcycle...I am now thinking the quick shfter is the main major culprit in ME only getting 3200 miles to wear bar on a new Dunlop Road Smart 4 rear tire while so many others on same bike are getting 10k miles or even more! (I only got 2500 on OE Bridgestone T32) I will say the front tires are also well worn by then but although I go ahead and change them also they are still quite a ways to the wear bar ....and no I am not a knee dragger, I maintain like 1/4" chicken stripe even . Also my rear tire does not even get the horrid typical flat spot like florida bikes I think because I am constantly leaning both ways maintaining a fairly the original roundish profile to a high degree yet it is still the middle that wears out before the sides ...another thing I am reminded of is the diameter is smaller as the wheel tilts and so at a constant speed I am forcing the tire from small to large diameter over and over and over which I think has to generate heat and wear right? That AND the sudden jolts of torgue with each shift at high rpm most of which is when the bike is more vertical has to be amplifying wear greatly! I wonder how much longer my tire might last if I stop using the quick shifter so much? I mostly do it because it is fun and effortless but I had fun even before the advent of the device! Maybe there needs to be a "tire saver mode" one could select or deselect depending if one is wanting to compete with another rider or just out for relaxing fun? Thoughts anyone?
Joking apart my vw which as a dsg auto gearbox is similar, I know this because I recently had an expensive repair done to it. The mechanic explained it had two clutches, one looks after the odd numbered gears and the other looks after the even numbered gears . As D1 is selected so is D2 but separated by the clutches and as D2 selects D3 is put in readiness. I think that’s what he said anyway keep away from them well the VW dsg boxes as they can easily go wrong and bloody expensive to correct.
Yes the end result/feel is similar to double clutch systems used on cars like your vw. But on bikes there is no room to fit another clutch so the seamless gearboxes systems only have 1. The result is a very expensive, sophisticated gearbox with very short service intervals.
Your videos are excellent - it'll be great to see you riding again on-track - am sure you cannot wait, either! Question - what about the MotoGP clutches with seamless gearboxes? Are they still quite similar to road bikes? I'm guessing back-torque limiting, etc.
Thanks Sylvain - great content!! -- I always wonder how current MotoGP pilots would fare on high horsepower, non- electronically enhanced motorcycles?? No doubt the lap times will be slower but perhaps the racing will be closer? Will MM99 still clean everyone's clock? Or? No launch, no traction control, no anti wheelie, no slipper clutch, no seamless trans etc..how about it??
That could be asked across all European based racing. F1, Moto GP etc. The truth is people would die at the current engine powers with no technological assistance if they raced the same way. The reason engine power has increased is because of the rise of technological assistance.
British SuperBike does that... Their SBK class is putting out 240hp with Zero rider aids.. The way to manage it is the bikes only fire on 2cyl Under X-rpm and Y-throttle.. Or else everyone would end up on their arse
Quick question, on the red gsxr you have pictured in the beginning, I've noticed how high your foot pegs are, they look at least 6" higher than everything I've ever seen, what is the benefit of this or reasoning? I also could be crazy
When produced in large quantities of course price can be affordable. For selling price you must not destroy the market price. Kill the existing bussinesses some workers can lose their jobs then unemployment rate growth up. If he said the price, it can be known by opponents.
The fact that he can say ‘...and my MotoGP bike’. So cool.
Sylvain, your channel have very quickly become my favourite one. Outstanding content, Thank you!
Keep them coming Sylvain, we love to hear your thoughts, feelings, opinions and experiences 👌
Bt sport should make sylvain the tech guy for their broadcasts! He’s made more sense over the last few uploads than anyone has watching 20+ years of motogp. Thanks Sylvain
Totally agree plus his english is very very good! I understood everything. Great job. Well done.
Absolutely true
They've got Michael Laverty for that, he just doesn't get to much time to explain stuff fully on live tv
That 8 hour bike 😍
@Wall Cutter i just have a thing for endurance bikes past and present lol im not alone, i love the look of them and the trick parts they have
@@pelvi3a definitely not alone! Endurance bikes are just straight up cool!
Endurance bikes every time.
I wish I could watch the Suzuka 8 hour race and others in that racing series. Can’t find them 😞
@@utp216 eurosport covers all of the ewc race including the suzuka 8 hours
Great work explaining something MotoGP followers never knew exact details of. Whether Suzuki realizes it or not, you've become a great brand ambassador for them.
Thank you Sylvain, this video series is absolutely brilliant!
Thanks for these glimpses into the world of MotoGP and riding techniques. Great to watch.
You are a great asset to Suzuki and to everyone watching your channel.....love it.
Thank you for taking the time to go in-depth with us motorcycle fans (especially us GSXR boys and girls).
Only a month or so the channel is started but already the content is light years away from my expectation. Thanks for shedding light on the technology and for explaining them in such a details. Biggest thumbs up ever. :)
That corner of your garden looks purpose built to show off a bike,let us hope for a nice summer and more bike corner features in the sun.
Thank you for the video, sounds similar to a dual clutch gearbox. Respect for being able to ride these machines.
it sounds very much like a dual-clutch transmission of a car, great stuff Sylvain, keep it up
Yeah..does sound like one to me. But that shift time is mind blowing..
MotoGP made duel clutch transmissions against the rules years ago; the manufacturers came up with seamless gear boxes as result of the rules.
I believe Honda had dual clutch on some consumer road bikes years ago, i have no idea how well they worked, or not.
@@8180634 think it was the africa twin or something, but considering its not popular means its not good hahaha, lets keep it that way, i prefer the clutch the way it is.
@@8180634 they still have it now on their Africa twin,x-adv,nc750x and their latest Goldwing with the gen 3 dct.. according to reviewers the gearbox works perfectly well. I've rode the x-adv before and personally i like it.. maybe some others don't..
Thanks Sylvania. Always great for an everyday rider to hear your insights
Can't help noticing the seamless shift on that garden chair. Great channel though Sylvan
Bravo ! Excellent video, well done and perfectly explained !
Bravo Sylvain, super explication, très claire et hyper intéressant !
Very well explained thanks Sylvain!
Thumbs up.
Very outstanding content, no wonder why Suzuki GSXRR gp bike now had very competitive performance..yeah with very good test rider absolutely.. The engineer must be satisfied with your comment on the gsxrr Sylvain
Love the videos!!!!!!!!!👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼😊
what a breath of fresh air Sylvain. I didn't "know" you before I found your youtube but now I'm a big fan mate.
It is a pleasure to watch your videos! Competent and polite. Super
Thanks for sharing Sylvain, this is pure gold! Bravo!
Excellent explanation, especially from a world class rider's perspective! Well done and thank you.
Gives more in depth info than any other channel... and not in his native language..pretty awesome
These videos are excellent. Awesome information
Great work, Sylvain! I listen to you like a little child ☺️ Keep the same spirit and be safe!
Really enjoying the vids Sylvain, super informative. Keep them coming!
Great explanation, thanks for the vids, they enhance our appreciation of the sport.
Top man. Loving these videos, thanks for going out your way to bring a little entertainment to our lives in these times.
Thanks Silvain, unique content and explanations on UA-cam, keep it up!
Another brilliant video, thank you. Simply explained by a pro, so that the every day biker can understand. Perfect 👍🏻
Thnx 4 d vid. Suzuki ought 2 pay u more 4 being such an awesome brand ambassador
Love your videos and keep bringing such videos.
I first noticed this because the audible difference of downshifting on a MotoGP bike vs. WSBK or other sport bike. The autoblip feature + seamless transmission seems to have a very hard-to-notice separation between shifts, almost creating a downshift all at once, even if it’s several gears being dropped.
Is clear and amazing the way you explain all Motorbike tricks and universe of two wheels!! i always wait your amazing videos!!Grazie!! :) Ciao :) Omar
This channel is awesome. Thanks Sylvain!!
Very clear and sensible explanation, thank you! I always wondered why we aren't seeing seamless gearbox technology on the open market. Even though the production bikes are less powerful, I think every rider can benefit from a smoother gear shifting experience. I hope the manufacturers will develop some more robust models soon... they would definitely sell more bikes that way ;-)
Maybe is still too expensive and complicated to be mass produced, but as street bike power level keep increasing my bet is we will see this on flagship superbike first.
My understanding is the same - Seamless Shift Gearboxes are beyond Swiss Watch Levels of Precision and Complexity,it would be way too expensive to put them on standard Road Bikes.
They are costing motogp teams 650.000€ per gearbox.. It's 3x the cost of an engine... So yeah, a long way from production bikes
Great explanation. Thank you, Sylvain!
Very good explanation on these technical issues, your insight is much appreciated.
Kind of makes me wonder how we ever raced superbikes without computers on them.... then I'm reminded of Reg Pridmore... if you were ever lucky enough to attend his riding school and even luckier to have gotten a ride-around on the back of his BMW you'd have gotten a real world demonstration of how this was (expertly) done in the analog days... with the CLUTCH LEVER and some skills.
Thanks for making us smarter!
Very good explanation thank you very much
Thnks Sylvain for the knowledge! The best subscription i ve done!!!
Wow Sylvain, so that explains perfectly fully to me that MotoGP is in a league, a class of it's own, with riders that might not actually be mere humans after all. I'm just getting to grips with my basic upshift only factory Quickshift on my 2014 Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC. The bike you raced like a demon back in the day - or the super human you must be!👍🏻I'm not even a Suzuki fan but I've subscribed here!
Beautifully explained 🙏..
Can you make a video on MotoGP exhaust system and Superbike exhausts 🤘🏼
Fantastic sharing
More fantastic insight, as always thanks so much for your time 😁👍
Merci Sylvain. Très bien expliqué 👍
Very informative and explained a lot that I never knew, thanks!
Thanks for bringing the top knowledge. Love way you explain the things. Keep it up man.
Awesome once again, really enjoying your content.
How cool is this channel.
Thank you for your time.
Bon travail mec. Great explanation. This would probably greatly benefit high hp drag bikes with autoshift as well. Every tenth counts.
You have great content, Sylvain
Thank You Champion. Again an interesting video with insight
Thankyou for another great vid Sylvain 👌👌
Sylvain - thanks again for a great vid! Keep it up, mon ami! Stay safe and take care!
Excellent video!!!
Thanks for posting it!!!
Fascinating videos Sylvain 👍🏻
Love the channel, great explanation...
Fascinating. That system was developed on cars in the 20's? I know it was never adopted because it was expensive and complex then. Seems like it was the delahaye that used it.
Thanks for share mate! Keep with this kind of content, please!
Your garden looks nice!
Very informative. Thanks buddy 👍
Another great review. Love it man. Heard manufacturers are producing same to production bikes
Damn didn't know that about the quick shift on a bike.
well that saves me money, thanks learned a lot in this video.
Brilliant channel,great content
Thank you for this informational video 👍
Love your videos. Thank you 🙏🏻
Thanks for sharing. Good info.
Loved the explanation, as always Sylvain! I did think that the fact that neutral is below 1st gear instead of between 1st and 2nd, would be the biggest gain (no more false neutrals)...but your explanation makes a ton of sense.
VState60 neutral below 1st? When is that applied on a race bike? Genuine question?
And “false neutrals” are situated between gears where there isn’t meant to be a neutral eg 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, or going down those gears. Caused by either poor gearbox design, wear/damage, or rider error.
An example would be the rider is in 2nd, clicks up on the lever, which disengages the 2nd driven gear, but due to any of the above reasons, 3rd gear does not engage into its drive position and still spins freely on its shaft, creating a “false neutral” between 2nd and 3rd.
Hope that makes sense?
ua-cam.com/video/g8xnIFf4id4/v-deo.html
They run Reverse-Shift so from the Top Down you have N-1-2-3-4-5-6.
Cheers I had no idea about this.Thank you for the explanation.
hi sir can you tackle about body position and knee dragging with the bike and some tips and tricks
thank you sir im from the philippines and a newbie
Heard on the grape vine there bringing this technology into the road bike scene soon ! Although it's been around for quite some time
Great content, Sylvain! Can you try to make a video about the pros & cons of smooth & aggressive riding? Thank you!
New Goldwing 1800 DCT have the smoothest gearbox as a production bike on the market. It is like driving the scooter with Vario and dry clutch at the back
Looks like it's basically similar thing to Honda's Dual Clutch transmission.
It also has 2 gears engaged at e time with only one providing actual torque to the wheel.
Simon's MotoCat that’s essentially what it is except it happens much quicker
I know only for Honda Africa Twin having DCT. What other Hondas have it?
@@-strahinja-3897 VFR1200F has a version with DCT.
@@-strahinja-3897 X-ADV 750 also
Very informative 👌🏾💪💯💯
Wasn‘t Yamaha the Inventor of This?
Very nice Video :)
If you want to see the technology they utilise search for zeroshift seamless gearbox. It is the technology that Honda utilised/copied when they introduced it to MotoGP. I assume all the other manufacturers have a variation that is similar.
Sylvain, thanks for all of the great content! Question, do you have the regular shift pattern or a race shift pattern on your personal GSXR, and why? Thanks in advance!
Hi there. Thank you for all the interesting videos especially in this time. This was very interesting. Is it possible to do a video on GP shift vs Road shift. Benefits for us weekend track riders and club racers. Are there any top racers that use normal road shift in racing? Thanks.
Interesting feature, thanks.
I am getting horribly short tire life compared to others using identical tires on similar or identical motorcycles. I do not think I am abusing them I dont drag race or even ride around town to be doing standing start quick acceleration at traffic lights. What I DO however is most of my miles are in the mountain twisty roads so I do LOTS of gear changes lots and lots and of course I have up and down quick shifter that I LOVE. My Yamaha 890cc CP3 engine *tracer 9gt basically a heavy version of MT09) has great torque for a production sub liter class sport touring motorcycle...I am now thinking the quick shfter is the main major culprit in ME only getting 3200 miles to wear bar on a new Dunlop Road Smart 4 rear tire while so many others on same bike are getting 10k miles or even more! (I only got 2500 on OE Bridgestone T32) I will say the front tires are also well worn by then but although I go ahead and change them also they are still quite a ways to the wear bar ....and no I am not a knee dragger, I maintain like 1/4" chicken stripe even . Also my rear tire does not even get the horrid typical flat spot like florida bikes I think because I am constantly leaning both ways maintaining a fairly the original roundish profile to a high degree yet it is still the middle that wears out before the sides ...another thing I am reminded of is the diameter is smaller as the wheel tilts and so at a constant speed I am forcing the tire from small to large diameter over and over and over which I think has to generate heat and wear right? That AND the sudden jolts of torgue with each shift at high rpm most of which is when the bike is more vertical has to be amplifying wear greatly! I wonder how much longer my tire might last if I stop using the quick shifter so much? I mostly do it because it is fun and effortless but I had fun even before the advent of the device! Maybe there needs to be a "tire saver mode" one could select or deselect depending if one is wanting to compete with another rider or just out for relaxing fun? Thoughts anyone?
I think much better if there are some drawings or illustrations which represent your explanation. Anw, keep on doing it ✌🏼 Thanks
Joking apart my vw which as a dsg auto gearbox is similar, I know this because I recently had an expensive repair done to it. The mechanic explained it had two clutches, one looks after the odd numbered gears and the other looks after the even numbered gears . As D1 is selected so is D2 but separated by the clutches and as D2 selects D3 is put in readiness. I think that’s what he said anyway keep away from them well the VW dsg boxes as they can easily go wrong and bloody expensive to correct.
Yes the end result/feel is similar to double clutch systems used on cars like your vw. But on bikes there is no room to fit another clutch so the seamless gearboxes systems only have 1. The result is a very expensive, sophisticated gearbox with very short service intervals.
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!!!!
Your videos are excellent - it'll be great to see you riding again on-track - am sure you cannot wait, either!
Question - what about the MotoGP clutches with seamless gearboxes? Are they still quite similar to road bikes? I'm guessing back-torque limiting, etc.
Thanks Sylvain - great content!!
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I always wonder how current MotoGP pilots would fare on high horsepower, non- electronically enhanced motorcycles??
No doubt the lap times will be slower but perhaps the racing will be closer?
Will MM99 still clean everyone's clock? Or?
No launch, no traction control, no anti wheelie, no slipper clutch, no seamless trans etc..how about it??
I´d like that!!
That could be asked across all European based racing. F1, Moto GP etc. The truth is people would die at the current engine powers with no technological assistance if they raced the same way. The reason engine power has increased is because of the rise of technological assistance.
@@jonathonbridges9625 gp sure, but F1? They have nothin like gp bikes, in driver aids.
British SuperBike does that... Their SBK class is putting out 240hp with Zero rider aids..
The way to manage it is the bikes only fire on 2cyl Under X-rpm and Y-throttle.. Or else everyone would end up on their arse
@@Bull_10RR "Zero rider aids", huh? Yeah, your second paragraph contradicts your assertion friend...
Nice and smooth brooo tks again!!! 🤣☝️🚀💙
Quick question, on the red gsxr you have pictured in the beginning, I've noticed how high your foot pegs are, they look at least 6" higher than everything I've ever seen, what is the benefit of this or reasoning? I also could be crazy
Thank you for the great information but if money would not be and issue how much will be that gearbox
No idea, prototype
When produced in large quantities of course price can be affordable.
For selling price you must not destroy the market price. Kill the existing bussinesses some workers can lose their jobs then unemployment rate growth up.
If he said the price, it can be known by opponents.
Love your French/English accent! 👍
Sylvain thank you so much for sharing your videos, its all really interesting.
Keep them coming !
How did you modify your clip ons? They appear lot higher and wider than stock handlebars.
How do the seamless shift gearboxes of MotoGP and Formula 1 compare? Do they use the same concepts?
Hi, Do race teams balance their tyres? Does it make a difference in the handling of Moto GP bikes?
theres a youtuber who made a seamless shift gearset to show how Honda did it on theirs here on youtubew...it shows EXACLTY how it works