Why is the rear brake so crucial in
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Braking, cornering and accelerating! The rear brake is used a lot more than you may think in #MotoGP! 👀
Jorge Martin and Crew Chief Daniele Romagnoli are on hand to explain how and why it's so crucial 💪🏼
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I've been using it forever. In tight hairpins it helps you close the line, while keeping revs higher; it helps the bike not to dive so much under heavy breaking, thus allowing for a softer preload, granting more roadholding on bumpy roads, and more comfort. Same just for slowing down.
And yet I hardly use it at all, preferring the engine brake to settle the rear.
@@space.youtube That is completely another thing.
I don't even use brakes I just warp through objects. Brakes are for wimps.
So u're using MotoGP tech?? What a Pro 🙄
@@techtoth1 Yes, that's the whole point, that there is another thing that does the same thing you described, that is NOT the back brake.
Why is the rear brake so crucial?
Kimi probably : it stops the bike.
Ah … we need kimi’s personality in motogp 🤣
What is this ? A crossover episode ?
The front brake does the most work. Rear break is used to control the slide
Bwoah
Balance and feel.
I'm a rear brake advocate. At the right time, it throws the rear out through the turn, and chills the weight balance transfer.
@Alex Fracyon Did I say I ONLY USE THE REAR BRAKES? I said I use the rears to throw the back out. HOW CAN I DO THAT IF I WASN'T USING THE FRONT BRAKES TO USE THE FRONT AS A PIVOT POINT?
What an idiot ...
Jorge Martin is a class act.
This is the editing we need. Not that fucking outrageous glitchy modern cartoonish editing made by a child.
Yes, on the money. Adults in the room.
Most important to end a wheelie.
@Lorin Sanchez Or for really small riders like yours truly :v
OMFG... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Wheelie?
🙄🙄🙄
A fart is much more effective though. Rossi pioneered that. That's why he always adjusts his leathers at the crotch area each time he leaves pitlane.
There are rumors that a former Gran Prix rider from the 2 stroke 500s days, when making the move to the World Superbike, ditched its rear brake and ran the rear wheel on engine brake only. A certain Max Biaggi. Maybe its just an urban legend.
It's always good to have options. I hope this thumb braking will be available on road bikes as well. Having linked brake is an awesome feature that is available already.
I am a new rider and had no idea a thumb brake is a “thing”. I want one!
on road bikes ? nooo
He's able to speak Spanish and English at the same time 😅 I love this man ☝🏼
Martin is the most talented young rider on the grid right now.
Fabio literally just won the championship
No
@@thepsychicpeach8425 He's been at it for 3 years though. Martin has just started. Once he gets on the factory Ducati, you'll see.
@@ashterfadgadget817 both the factory and satellite Ducati teams have the exact same bike. Joan,Fabio, and Bagnaia are definitely the best “young riders “ on the grid considering they are the same age (Fabio is younger by a year) and those three have multiple championships and race wins
@@ashterfadgadget817 cough cough bastianini
On 250gp bikes it just made the bike more “settled” under braking, didn’t need much and a thumb brake would’ve been awesome
Need it just as much. You can keep the throttle opened. And yet keep your revs.. so you'll have more power to get out the corner too. Much like left foot braking in a car
I am old enough to remember only using the rear brake when on a hill...
that's just common sense mate. Unless you wanna go ass over heels
@@thepsychicpeach8425 I meant at a stop light, sitting still so I don't roll...
I was more gobsmacked that some people don't or have never used the rear brakes on a bike. Blows my mind.
Mick doohan is the first man to use it(the thumb brake) right?
I think so. Injury to right leg impeded his ability to use traditional rear brake.
It was developed for him by Honda in 92' when he came back from his bad leg injury and wasn't able to use it with his leg...
My first thought. Mighty Mick.. hé was so much faster that the rest wanted a thumbbrake too. 🤣
@rafaron7761 he asked Honda to do it...
If you don't believe the rear brake is important look at stoner. He was better at controlling the Ducati's power then the electronics. His right foot is the reason he won on the Ducati.
He actually used that slide to turn sharper, if Marquez slides on the corner entry, Stoner uses the slide mid corner
@@yunan9610 fucken Marquez fanboys. Why do you lot always need to try and put him into every comment?
@@unbiasedcobra6672 bruh chill he's making an example. Why you getting worked up when he just mentions Marquez?
@@thepsychicpeach8425 I'm not your bruh. Infact I think anyone using the term bruh is a complete moron.
@@unbiasedcobra6672 don't really care what you think, your toxicity is showing tho
Thank God, an answer to my question. Lmao.
I was wondering how they can use rear break during right turn or they rear break first before they dangle their right legs for drag. Haha.
The leg dangle isn't really for drag but more for stability if I’m correct
Where is Simon Crafar and what did you do with him!????
I want my tech talks back!
next content : why inline engine is important in motogp
It actually not the best only Yamaha and Suzuki use them; the Honda Ducati KTM all use Big Bang engines which is the reason for their high acceleration , but is a bit too powerful and hard to control; for Big Bang engine bikes u need longer chassis
Idk why I typed this stuff
@@leela4274 the main difference is not the firing order but the engine concept. Which is V4 vs. inline 4...
@@leela4274 v4s are worse at cornering than inline 4s aswell
Suzukis and yamahas motogp inline 4 engines use a special firing interval, which is very similar to the big bang firing order of the other manufacturers v4s. Its: 1- - 3 - 2 4 - 1 - - 3 - 2 4 - so its the same as one cylinder bank of a crossplane v8. However they cannot get quite as much power out of the cp4 as out of the v4s, also because the v4 rev a little higher
One reason for yamaha..because they have R1 for sale...
Everything in MotoGP's bikes are crucial, every millisecond are important...
Because you have to do your all to be the champion
I wish I could have an option of just using rear foot brake pedal to operate both front and rear brakes while having a couple of buttons to adjust brake bias like a race car. I think it would help to get on the gas quicker out of a turn and still control wheelie.
You wouldn't want to tho, the weight transfer on a motorcycle is too great
@@failingattempt9984 that would depend on how well the braking bias is set. It doesn't need to have massive bias to the front and the bike could still have the front brake only lever to add extra if required, and maybe a bias cancel switch to make the foot pedal, rear only again. Having foot only braking activating both wheel brakes on some corners could help a racer shave of time by better stopping and freeing up the right hand to deal with throttle and counter steering forces.
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@@winnythekahuna8073 that would only work if you gas and brake the front together. That, from my limited knowledge, is a big nono
@@failingattempt9984 Forget about trying to get on the gas faster. Try blipping a motorbike on downshifting fast into a corner or fast stop without slipper clutch and auto blip. Then you will understand why I want my rear brake pedal to have a bias system. I probably should not have posted about getting on the gas faster.
Thumb rear brakes! Wow cool!
*BMW* be like: "That's why we are not participating. Our (anti-wheelie) technology is not for share..."
U can also make a documentary type video on every single race week with all rider and there company also the Racing environment which including this video. I think this channel should work on it
My trainer on the California SuperBike School once told me "I always use the rear break,.. right before I crash".
The actual right answer. I can see using it as a faster way to reduce wheelspin or wheelie-ing than rolling off the throttle, but for actual braking it's borderline useless as the rear wheel is barely on the ground and the engine braking does a fine job of stopping with what grip is left on the rear tire. The only other reason is if you actually want to induce a slide because at that point it's like yanking an e-brake, but I'd like to see data on how effective that really is.
Thumb brakes are genuinely only useful on 2 strokes or MotoGP
There's a reason why Sylvain Guintoli was able to win WSBK just only using the fronts
@@AKK5I Yeah, I gotta be honest, I'm getting so tired of people trying to argue with me about how "necessary" rear brakes are, the real answer is most non-hero riders are scared of the front brake for some stupid reason so they keep making cope excuses for not using it or using it as much as they should.
I always think of Mick Doohan and having to make a thumb brake because of a horrible leg injury he was racing with. He's a legend
Then Alex Creville copied (like he did with everything Mick did) and discovered it worked quite well. A ot of riders have been using it since!
Rear brake, allows you to keep your revs too
To slide the bike in the corners that's why it's important
For 90% of riding, even at the track, you don't need the rear brake. However, once you get to a certain level, you need it to win.
You should always use both brakes to stop
After Dovi sabbatical... Jorge Martin become my best rider so far as Rookie he understand very much the Desmosedicci machine 👍
You can thank the great Mick Doohan for the thumb break he came up with the idea after shattering his right leg making the foot break useless.
Clutch should be on thumb and break handlebar should be like front
Yes, so you can manage the clutch better during launch control with your thumb u think? Obviously better to do that with your hand 🙃
For one start its enough on thumb
interesting...
What if the clutch lever was the thumb brake and the clutch lever the brake. Exactly how you brake on a MTB.
Would be cool, you'd have a more fine tuned feel over the rear brake with your hand, but less over the clutch as it would be controlled by your one thumb vs 1-4 fingers. I know the riders use the rear brake going into faster turns, but on these monster liter bikes, I feel being able to slip the clutch with your fingers coming out of a corner while having your thumb help you hold onto the bike is more beneficial than being able to apply a more fine tuned rear brake force with your fingers. Still a cool idea, I bet one day we'll see that as gp bikes will switch over to gearbox setups like f1 cars and no longer need a clutch lever.
@@alekseisimone9651 nowadays they use the clutch just to start because of electronic shifters. GP shifters are basically like F1, just pull the lever
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You definitely know who uses their rear brake and who doesn't when you see them at slow speeds. Slow speed weight transfers with front brake doesn't compete with the rear. That and a slight touch in hairpin turns separates the good from the great riders.
Before Rossi, there was *Mick Doohan #1.* The OG GOAT.
When men rode 500cc monsters that tried to kill you on every turn exit and without today's rider aid's.
Using the rear brake on track is a bit over my pay grade in terms of skill at this point. It’s mind boggling how these guys are able to lift and slide the rear end in corner by corner with such ease.
adaptasi jempolnya berapa lama ya
For me i don't like using the rear brakes, in high speed yes in normal speed I always use Front Brake.
The logo behind the bald guy makes him look like he's got devil horns lol @3:11
I use thumb brakes too...on my PS5 controller...
Yeah it's so important that riders can continue the race without problems having no rear brake at all.
Not to mention that many riders testify to not using it at all. Including Jorge Martin. In this clip.
We love jorge martin
somebody know why motorsport like motogp dont use ABS for decelerate but use traction control for acelerate?i think ABS and TC can make more faster lap.
@@slovencleta Yea, with tcs you can get away with getting the power cut coming out the corners but with the brakes, corner entry is just too important
@@slovencleta yes,im also feel braking without ABS more good feeling for track but onroad i trust ABS for panic brake.but advance cornering ABS today,it can make great short braking distance better human skill.that why i confuse.
Braking is not as hard to control as it is to control the rear torque
I started playing Ride 4 recently and i dont know when to use rear brake really.Should i pulse brake with the rear on often when breaking?
Schwantz explained to the World the importance of rear brake at Hockenheim in 1991 without telling any single word.
Great info congrats
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Only been doing it for 30 years!
Why winglet is important in MotoGP
Downforce...and again reduce wheelie
Is the tumb braking
Bagi gw pun rem belakang sangat crusial khususnya buat nikung feel gripnya lebih dapet, makanya kadang gw liat pembalap crash sliding gitu gw berpendapat "bego amat lu posisi rebah stang belok lu bejek rem depan sini biar gw aja yang balapan 😆"
Ko ingat kapcai 150cc ke? break depan belakang pun tak mampu untuk memberhentikan motor tu, sebab tu diorang cipta rear break tu....dalam keadaan kelajuan 180 200 nak ambil corner dengan kelajuan 80 100,ko rase boleh berhenti ke kalau break biasa?
In malaysia. Kami x pakai brek belakang. Baru laju moto. Tambah 5HP 😂😂
Usually use my rear brake to brake
Kevin schwanz said he used his rear brakes 3 times and crashed all 3 times. I used mine once and I'll have to agree with him LOL
Honda created the thumb break for Mick Doohan nasty leg injury when he was riding MotoGP that's how it came about it's nothing new it's been around for about 20 years now.
Haha, I came here to say the same thing but you beat me to it.
A couple of years or so ago there was some awesome onboard footage of Ian Hutchinson at the Isle of Man TT, with a camera showing his left hand and thumb brake. He was on and off it all the time over bumpy sections, using it like traction control instead of rolling off the throttle.
@@timdickson5531 it’s probably more about keeping the chain tight so the swing arm moves up and down slower and less. It keeps the chassis more stable.
you guys don't use rear break? that's a surprise
How does that rear camera not turn when the bike is leaned over?
The camera ist mounted on a gyroscope
Which best break company
why not use the lever for the brake since the cLutch isnt even used
Lorenzo said he never touches the rear brake😳
for right hand turn I've invented left hill slam pedal but like was intended to run from police locking the rear weel into sharp turn i haven't enough motivation, other than that wasn't used in practice and wasn't worth the work, i know it's dull for this type of use were dosage and intuitive reflex it's critical
1:35 was that the frame flexing?
Hard to tell for certain , but sure looked like the forks we’re doing some lateral flexing
The thumb rear brake shud be known as doohan's brake 😄
Moto gp 250cc 2005 australian full race plz🙏
Im using the rear brake to control under heavy breaking
My brother... 💌Respect!
Why do MotoGP bikes are made stiffer compared to WSBK bikes ?
horsepower machine
@@richard35791 In bumpy circuits, MotoGP bikes move more compared to WSBK bikes.
One is production spec .... meaning it was a street bike once from the factory. The other is a prototype and can do whatever it wants
More power and harder braking.
It’s about the tires, the tires are so stiff and sticky, you need a chassis to match it. WSBK run on normal race compound Perrelli’s and that’s an extremely flexible tire, especially after 15-20 laps, there’s less rubber on it and it’s like a marshmallow
Does anyone know why the f1 brand is all over on the back of the bike
Wonder if we will ever see street bikes transition to thumb rear brakes... seems it could be more useful sometimes. Even on adventure and dual sport bikes off road... having more control of the rear brake irrelevant of your foot placement seems like a great idea in dirt. Might be a bit much when using rear brake while working the clutch though. 🤔
Likewise, I hope to see more consumer grade aftermarket options made for thumb brakes. I can see them very useful not just for off-roading when u need to put a foot down on a sharp right, but also on the street for right leg amputees or injuries.
Rear Brake ?
To Drift
0:25 why the F1 logo ??
Slidey pedal
Why is it on a thumb and not on the index/middle finger? Under the clutch like on a stunt bikes, would get riders better feel as they got used to pulling more than pushing the levers🤔🤔 They don't even use the clutch anyway
I've seen some riders who also have that stunt rider rear brake. More in WorldSBK. Honestly i think it originated from the grid coz apparently its existed for quite some time
All this arguing and chest beating is pointless. I’ve ridden many track days at a level 3 club racer pace and never touched the rear brake. But some people will be more comfortable and be faster using it. But ex world sbk champ and Moto gp test rider Sylvain Guintoli says it best in this video (FF to last 3 min mark). TLDR: Even for world Sbk, he says you don’t need the rear brake but for Moto gp you do because of the level of grip. 99.9% of us will never ride a world sbk spec machine let alone a Moto gp machine so he says downshift early and you’re golden which is what I’ve always done. ua-cam.com/video/e0EqTjPEvV4/v-deo.html
…So nobody’s going to mention Mick Doohan?
Come on back motogp 😢 3 wekend 😭😭😭
Back to "Dohan style...", only the reasons were different
Necessity is the mother of invention.
@@commonsensethecynosure1639 Correct, keep using it just confirms the genius of Dohan, "no strength on the leg to break, use the left hand..."
VlPA ❤
Waiting for those old heads who couldn't survive a day on the grid saying "All this new technology these riders don't have talent"
I use my rear brake once a year ... at the MOT testing station 🤗
Yeah
When I was young the front was crap on everything,,,,,,,dive dive dive,,so the stamp was your only friend,,
Meanwhile pecco only use front brake
Ita controla da bikea setting in da turns...
Subtitle please
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Vr 46 is dad of all 🔥❤️
You can tell the Pramac team watches the F1 races also. Just look at those stickers at the back of their bikes.
It's sponsor
Because it stops the rear wheel...
Why is there F1 logo there?
Can somone explain why their is an f1 logo at 0:26
Apparently Stefano Domenicali (F1 CEO) is close friends with Paolo Campinoti (Pramac owner), so Domenicali requested that the Pramac bikes carry the F1 logo
@@krishnashankar2675 damn Right
why no combination brake? like when you pull front brake lever it also rear brake.
On motorbikes it is not used to slow down most of the time
Front brakes are used heaps more than rear brakes .
There are, and have been linked brake systems that operate front and rear brakes by the brake lever (or rear brake pedal) for DECADES on various street bikes (Honda, Moto Guzzi & others). They generally have not been popular with riders because there are situations where you ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT want the front brake applied when using the rear brake (slippery/low traction surfaces) and situations where you absolutely would not want to have the rear brake applied hard when using the front brakes… Generally, an experienced rider DOES NOT want a mechanical system that overrides his control of which brake (front or rear) he wishes to apply, and instead applies BOTH front and rear at the same time. Why would a half-way competent rider wish to give up that level of control? Also, there were/are issues with reducing braking feel and feedback (sometimes even performance/efficiency of the brakes overall, as some force was diverted to the rear or front brake, and the extra length of brake tubing and fluid introduced issues)… Even performance & race cars have adjustable proportional brake valves to alter the amount of force (bias) between the front and rear brakes… that WOULD NOT be necessary if there was no advantage to being able to adjust & set the braking effect between the front & rear wheels- imagine a car storming into a corner under hard braking while heading for the apex… now imagine that the majority of the braking force is going to the rear wheels as the lateral loads (g-force) increases and the weight transfers forwards- it would be easy for the rear wheel brakes to exceed the limits of tire traction, lock the rear wheels and spin the car… (obviously ignoring traction control and ABS to make a point here)
For both cars and motorcycles, it is helpful to transfer weight forward, “loading”the front end and compressing the suspension when cornering. For novices that are “scared” of using too much front brake (or NEVER use the rear brake), a linked system may have benefits, but barring a large advance in computing/programming bordering on A.I., most riders I know, and most reviews of bikes with linked brake systems seem to have a NEGATIVE opinion of those systems…
@@erikarneberg11 thank you, wonderful explanation.
i have riding motorcycle for 18 years but never try on race motorcycle, i hope one day i have opportunity to try.
have a great day.
Subtitle indonesia please...
Cause else you don't turn
F1 is a sponsor to this sport????
Two
Lol f1 advertising in motorgp hah
F1 sticker on a motogp bike? Why is that? 2:41
nah the brakes are overrated…
but if you want to stop without dying then the brakes are useful
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