Colleen Ballinger Apology Analysis (Chapter 3)
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what is chapter 1 and 2 about? is it the beginning of this analysis? it would be cool to know what it is before paying for it
Hi, I don't think you watched the full ten minute video to the end, you stopped it at her fake pause
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@@rhi963 they are his reaction to background research on Colleen and his reaction to news sites summarizing the controversy.
Edit: I’ll add that it’s very good content. Between that and his other members only content, it’s well worth the $5!
The "fart joke" was when she exposed one of her young minor female fans while on stage. She felt scared to walk to her car afterwards because adult males were looking at her (minor) inappropriately.
The fact that he could even sit through the whole thing without his face cringing once- he’s stronger than the marines 💀😭
It's alright, I've done plenty of cringing for the both of us 😂
You can see the remnants of cringe at either end of every cut 😂
That’s called.. professionalism hahah
He’s a professional. So, he’d be failing if he was showing judgment. Therapists are supposed to be nonjudgmental, and unbiased, with empathy. It’s a part of what makes them good at their job.
@@huskboo no I get it I’m just saying he’s very good at his job lmfao
I don't even know why this is called an apology video; she never apologizes.. What she does is minimize the things she's done, and reverse the situation as if she's the victim of people with no reason attacking her.
It should be called a battle cry video because that's what it is. Especially the last words...
She only says the word sorry when followed by "I won't go that route", the route being accountability.😂
It's not called an apology. She didn't call it one. Other people are calling it that, incorrectly.
I agree. It isn't an apology, it's another manipulation.
She titled it "hi". I don't think it was meant as an apology. Just an explanation
I just can't stand how she downplays everyone's concerns. She wasn't being a "weird aunt" she was asking kids about their virginity and favourite positions and she sent underwear to a 13 y-o boy.
Screen shots of minors complaining the chat is always about sex, calling herself Kinky Colleen, asking if they are cuming to her show- totally inappropriate.
And had a much younger boy stick her hands down her pants on stage, and deliberately encouraged her audience to dress provocatively, selected a teenager who had done as she wanted, and spread her legs on stage. You’re totally right: the downplaying is intense.
She showing clear signs that she was probably touched inappropriately as a child, groomed and whoever did it to her made her feel that it was normal and natural. I've seen this type of behavior time and time again on multiple documentaries and crime shows how the perpetrators of molesting underage children were abused themselves we're groomed and it's scarred them for life. They went on the Crusade seeking out children the same age their trauma occurred and wound up inappropriately pursuing them with false pretenses. This woman should be in a psych ward and away from society. And it also makes me think that what makes her so bold is that she probably have done this to somebody in her family and have gotten away with it so far. 😮
@@DarkroomMedia007 I have thought a lot about this. I think it’s either 1- religious/purity culture trauma from childhood. 2-some kind of sex addiction. 3- molested as a child. I can’t think of any other reasons a person pushing 40 behaves this way. It is so abnormal- more so as she is a mom. Hope she gets therapy, but i don’t think she sees this as a problem.
@@DarkroomMedia007It’s unfortunately the “abused becomes the abuser” cycle.
I think that it’s often a very simplified outlook and can be harmful for a number of reasons, but it’s also an unfortunate reality that cannot be denied in good faith.
It’s sad all around.
That said, if even a fraction of these allegations are true, Ballinger’s behavior is absolutely vile and I have little to no sympathy for someone who harms minors.
Being a loser and “creepy” are not mutually exclusive. All predators are losers.
Except Colleen isn’t a predator
@@kimkardashianruinedmylifeno she is a groomer.
@@kimkardashianruinedmylifeidk sending lingirie and porn to minors is pretty predatory imo
@@neeren777 It sounds predatory if you don’t have all of the context. But with context it doesn’t sound predatory.
@@kimkardashianruinedmylife most adults don't ask kids their favorite sex position. Maybe you should start thinking about if that's really something that should be normal to you.
Not only are the allegations against her serious, but the allegations against her brother are actually criminal and the fact she sang a song instead of addressing them in a direct way rubs me the wrong way
The allegations against her are also criminal - she distributed porn to minors and solicited adult pictures and videos from minors.
It makes me physically sick, the whole family including her sister is perverted and should be removed from any platform accessible to children
Wait what did her brother do??
As it does literally all the internet. This woman is downright diabolical LMAO. I didn't think there'd be such a level of evil that approached the internet on such a surface level, but here we all are. It's gonna get worse from here my friends, it''s just how it's gonna be.
Exactly. Her whole family is gross
The most annoying thing is everyone calling this an apology when she clearly isn't apologizing. She's not even suggesting or implying an apology. She's just telling her side of the story.
Seriously. 🤦♀️ Would love Dr. Honda’s take on her actual apology video from years ago addressing all this. 🧐
True. It’s a terrible, gross, manipulative story that includes a ukelele for some godforsaken reason, but that is what she’s doing.
True, actually she didn’t even tell her side of thing. She just minimized what was shared. Showed zero remorse, ignored all the video and text evidence and made the whole thing to be a joke. No apologies. It’s absolutely disgusting
It's a "bring the balloons to your own pity party"-video. She clearly feels so sorry for herself. She is deflecting, dismissing and reverse blaming the situation, while wanting to make you feel bad and guilty. Isn't this so clearly the tactic of an abuser?
She's mocking making fun of the situation/people/victims
I wish people would stop calling this an apology video. She didn't even title it apology, just "Hi." There is no attempt at an apology here. She's quite obviously ticked off that she's being forced to address the issue. She feels she addressed it in the past, she has "changed her behavior" and everyone is toxic for bringing it back up. No accountability at all. No apology at all.
Especially because accountability means acknowledgement and changed behavior. I read she had earlier Apologies for Similar allegations earlier on and haven't watched them but if you say "I apologized already" either recap or link it! Say it out loud!
@@ellehoods1745 From what I've seen it was more gaslighting and blaming the victim than taking accountability. This time there are receipts and more people are speaking out. I'm personally a little confused on timelines as to whether she stopped the behaviors she's in trouble for.
Thank you! She never said she was apologizing and I don’t understand why most people think that was the purpose of the video.
You missed the fart joke thing. The fart joke is when she had a minor female fan on stage in a dress/romper and split her legs showing her underwear while a fart sound went off. The fan has since been explained how it felt leaving the stage having other male fans and older men glaring at her at cat calling her after she had been exploited on stage! It’s absolutely horrific that she minimizes that to a fart joke, when the fan who is an SA survivor describes having felt that same feeling like she needed to internally cleanse her insides. She created an environment which made these things okay for kids to do! Grooming little boys into thinking it was okay to reach into women’s pants? Nah! It’s rotten behavior!
That poor girl. She feels so dirty and invalidated. It’s a good thing many people aren’t on Colleen’s side this time
I'm glad you pointed that out! I'm sure he didn't know.... that was seriously something she could have easily apologized for....and she didn't..
@@rebec8090 Not only she didn’t apologise, she further victimised Becky in the song by dismissing her trauma as a joke. So you know all this talk about not being intentionally malicious? She is right here. Intentionally malicious towards a fan who shared an account about how Colleen’s prior actions (which Colleen might claim unintentionally) caused her, the fan, harm. The “fart joke” line is an awful, properly monstrous way to react to Becky’s account. And this line could only have made it into the video following a series of conscious decisions and choices by Colleen. It has taken time to write, rehearse and edit this song. So yeah, essentially Colleen was waking up in the morning, rubbing her hands and anticipating how she will destroy her accuser with this clever takedown.
I think since there really is SOOO much information, he actually missed quite a lot and didn't know anywhere remotely close to the full backstory. So much proof of Colleen bringing her fans into group chats asking very explicit information, showering these fans (many and majority being underage) with attention and affection (ie. her "weenies" group chat) this is where the grooming allegations come in (and proof thereof)
It takes a lot of research into the full dimensions of what she has done as its occurred over such a long span of time as well!
sidebar- and her complete and blatant exploitation of Adam who was a minor at the time, exploiting his work and mental energy for YEARS, he received absolutely no monetization all because he was a superfan of hers. It's truly horrible behavior
Colleen was in her 30s when she was messaging children, not 18 or 19. Every allegation that's coming out occurred while she was an adult and all of her victims were minors, as young as 12yo.
As young as 9 unfortunately
Yes! And she was doing it up until THIS YEAR, so the line about not having boundaries at the “beginning of her career” is a conscious and calculated lie.
The information about showing pornographic materials (which I believe is relatively new) is also incredibly distressing and certainly not an area one would just blindly stumble into.
@@off-brand_is_fine209 yeah, but according to some people in these comments she just has “stunted development” and doing this didn’t seem wrong to her “inner girl”.
So many people who are "into" people far too young for their interest to appropriate are stunted/immature. I can't believe people are trying to use that as an excuse.
few facts: Colleen through her actions caused a minor at a time Adam McIntyre to get doxxed and bullied online for 3 years straight - by putting a blame on him for her own actions, as a form of damage control of her career. It obviously doesn't mean that she is not being being bullied today, but the fact that she can't apologize for that is mind boggling to me. The "fart joke", as she framed it, was her minimalizing a whole other situation - she had spread a 16yo girl's legs on a stage on a live show so hard that the girl's body was exposed in front of everybody which caused her trauma. The girl is called Becky and she spoke publicly about how traumatic the experience was (you can find the video of it on youtube). Colleen was 30+ years old when all the situations took place - talking to minors, sending the panties, all the live shows, etc. It's not like that all happened when she was a teenager herself. She was a full grown adult and a mother.
Honestly this is karma at its finest for Colleen. So
These allegations go to show that it's not just non viewers but the fans who knew what she did in context calling her out for her bad behavior. It's not just "haters". It's the people who worshipped her and dedicated their youth to her to the point of exploitation. It's not just petty cancel culture. This is serious.
People sit here and try to justify it saying that Adam is a snake. It’s so frustrating. There Is proof for the things she has done whether or not you like Adam.
not to mention viewing trisha paytass adult content w minors? and the inarguably predatory behavior of her best friend and brother which sure isnt her but they got access to kids by being associated w her
Where in the heck were all the parents when this was going on on stage? I would have grabbed my kid and slapped Collene in front of all of them!
6:13 "It might not resonate with the non-fans but to the fans this might be the perfect she could ever do." Anthony Fantano made a fantastic point when reacting to Colleen's apology, saying that this song is perfectly geared to a much younger audience. From the train imagery, the "cute ditty", the uke, etc. this is a song that musically sounds like it's for kids. However, when paired with the incredibly serious topic of what she's actually being accused of, it turns into a song that infantilizes victims/accusers. She doesn't deign to respond in a diplomatic, serious, constructive, *adult* way. Instead, she writes a "cute" little song saying how everyone is wrong and basing themselves on lies, while not producing any facts or cogent arguments.
Final grade: F-
Oh true!! That’s why it bothered me so much.
Yep. Kids will just take this at face value, they'll eat it right up. Obviously any adult who has taken any time to learn the facts will see right through it - but she doesn't care, because the video is not for them. The video is for the kids. And they're too young to really understand or question it
Exactly. She is grooming the children in her audience WHILE denying being a groomer. It's sick. She's desperate to retain her source of income.
@@Mama_Bear524 Yeah, it took me a while to realize what it was; the dissonance of a cute/fun/childlike sound with the gravity of the situation. Not to be punny, but it's completely tone-deaf
Fantano reacts to this kind of content now? He's fallen off big time. That's a good point tho
Colleen is very hyper sexualized. It leaks out in everything she does- Miranda content, her vlogs, group chats to MINORS, everywhere. And yet she doesn’t think it is inappropriate - i don’t think she really ever addresses her behavior. It’s gross- i wish she would work on that in therapy. But instead she has built her career off of her inappropriateness. She should not talk to minors ever. This needs to stop.
Yup, as high school kids we were making jokes about p*rn in her voice
What drives me crazy is that there's definitely kids that looked up "Miranda sings p**n"....
Based on her private messages I cant help but to feel like that was calculated
If this was a man. He'd be under the jail by now.
She needs help. Hurt people hurt people.
100 spot on!!! 👏👏
Please don't start pausing less often! If people want to watch the video without pauses, they can do that with the original video, but we are here for your commentary, which I always find incredibly interesting :)
Ah thanks!
Sometimes I only want to watch his take to know what should have happened 🤣
I really think this video is missing the issues with colleens behaviour. I dont believe her motivations were sexual gratification but that doesnt invalidate that a lot of the allegations are inherently sexual in nature. Speaking in depth to children about your sex life is unacceptable. Bringing children on stage to make sexual jokes about and open their legs infront of an audience while they are wearing a dress is in my opinion sexual harrassment. Sending pornography to minors is a crime. Asking your underage fan for pictures of their ass is solicitation of child pornography. To not give full weight to these issues because they werent in physical, sexual contact is wrongheaded in my opinion. And thats completely ignoring the exploitation, free labour from minors, the general vindictivness to your young fans and the continuous blame pushing to others, particularly adam, that continues to victimise him for years. If she was doing any of these behaviours in person, it would be clearly labelled abusive, cohersive, disturbing, so why is it acceptable online. She knew these children for years. This behavior happened for years
As a thought exercise, if you don't believe colleens behaviour was that bad. Imagine that exact same behaviour I just listed, but instead of it being a youtuber over group chats and on stage, it was a teenagers 30 year old father to the teenagers friends. Exact same behaviour but with close proximity and a change in gender. No one in their right mind would think that was acceptable.
Yeah, I talk about this sometimes, but in a nutshell, it depends on the context. If it's in my personal life, I pay attention to my fight or flight response. If it's clinical, I pay attention to both my adrenaline and their reactions to me challenging them.
Thank you for saying this. I love Dr H but I don’t think he had enough of the back story to properly assess the video that Colleen made. It just one of those things that taken at face value with little context is like “🤷🏻♀️” but if you know all of the context is more like “🤬🤬🤬”
@@PsychologyInSeattlethere needs to be a CPS investigation
I don't understand what Dr.H's reply here has to do w what the comment was criticizing? Not trying to be rude, just wondering if I'm missing something
I don't think it was meant to be an apology in the first place. It looked more like she was sharing her thoughts on the controversy. Why is it treated like an apology by the internet. Am I missing something?
I agree 100%! If anything, this would be a rebuttal/defense reaction to the accusations. She doesn't mention the word apology or sorry once.
@@SpottedTiger89 Except to say she won't say sorry. * strong eyeroll *
Thank you! She never said it was an apology. It’s a statement of “innocence” and feel bad for me. Not an apology.
At the end she said "F me, right?" It wasn't an apology. It was a FU right back.
luv colleen
Her entire Miranda bit has seemed to be centered around child abuse and incest (& appearing to act like she has a developmental disorder?). It's not even just a pattern, it's her whole thing. The fact that she had a Netflix show to showcase her jokes around being abused and groomed by an uncle is just...crazy, but at the same time, I guess not surprising. It's just surprising this hasn't been a bigger issue already, but some people find that type of humor hilarious which I guess also says a lot.
She’s said the inspiration for Miranda is her disabled brother (who’s a creep).
Oh ok so now miranda is scary, got it.
thanks for mentioning this. I used to watch her yeaaaars ago and remember this being the case / getting this vibe, but I didn’t know how valid my memory was. Now that I think about it it was her offbeat creepy humor that drew me in. It’s totally a core aspect of her character and really uncanny to think that this is a character she’s developed for a child audience
@@palestinabaddie is normalizing and making light of child abuse not scary to you?
NO BECAUSE I USED TO WATCH THE SHOW ON NETFLIX WHEN I WAS YOUNGER BUT I STOPPED BECAUSE THE UNCLE WAS SO CLEARLY GROSS TOWARDS MIRANDA AND THERE WERE NO REPERCUSSIONS OR ANYTHING AND IT MADE ME PHYSICALLY UNCOMFORTABLE AS A YOUNG TEEN.
why are her characters so creepy especially in a pedophile/incestual way? And why is she marketing that to kids? And why is she blaming parents for not monitoring their kids, when she literally made content FOR KIDS consistently and clearly??? She didn't make adult jokes for adults and had other kiddy stuff on the side, she made adult jokes that INVOLVED kids directly in the joke and often times in a sexually embarrassing or just oversexual way. And then she would put those jokes in shows, books, and videos that she marketed towards kids. It's not just parents not paying attention, it's also literal predatory, intentional marketing.
It boggles my mind that I watched her content before and thought characters like her uncle were just normal and quirky likeable people, when they were basically like subdued predators 😐
There are reports of her siblings having inappropriate relationships with minors in this way too, makes me wonder what was normalized in their household growing up.
A creepy uncle
Haven’t watched the whole video yet, but I think it’s important to note that Colleen was 30 at the time she did these things. Not 18 or 19. At 29 I can’t imagine making 12-15 year olds my friends. I appreciate your kind take on this event but her age makes a big difference to me.
Good to point that out. At 29 I couldn’t be friends with a 20 year old even. She’s disgusting
She looks so young that it's deceiving...but she's an adult who should know better.
Yep, this point is one great example of how her video completely twists and manipulates the situation for people who aren't familiar. She says she's been creating content for 15 years, and then she says "at the beginning of my career, I messaged my fans". It makes it sound like this happened 10-15 years ago. But it was happening as recently as 3 years ago.
@@hashtagmateYes! She was not 18 or 20 or even 30. She was a 36-year-old woman hanging out in a group chat with twelve-year-olds because they gave her validation.
exactly! I'm 29 and I work with 19 year olds and I feel like I'm responsible for protecting them, like not cussing in front of them or keeping weird people away from them. BUT I NEVER hang out with them after work because we are completely different maturity levels and it would be uncomfortable for me.
I never hangout with anyone under 21.
Nope Colleen was 21 years old when she started her UA-cam channel. The “character” Miranda Sing was developed when she was in college mocking fellow students that she deemed not talented enough.
This is beyond insulting. I feel awful for her victims.
19:44 the problem is that this isn’t about the beginning of her career. this was happening 3 YEARS AGO. and she was still in these group chats as of a week ago.
The thing is some of what you’re reacting to in what she’s saying is provably false, she wasn’t just chatting with minors early in her career she continued this as recently as this year apparently and also weaponized her fans against a minor with whom she had abused her power and when he disclosed she weaponized the rest of her minor fans against him for disclosing the truth. It’s absolutely evil that she did that to a kid for years and now she’s he truth comes out and she acts like it’s gossip it’s not the only reason this came up again is because another young fan revealed being used by her to take down the previous victim. She’s a master manipulator. Even the song is a manipulation because she knows her viewers are 13 year olds and she knows they are receptive to a little song and she didn’t upload this to the main channel, she uploaded this to her least popular channel. She ruined a fans life for a couple of years and tried to destroy him using her fans, to me that’s worse than some of the other maybes. She’s minimizing or attempting to minimize the situation by making it a song! Only genius at manipulating and only adults can see that, because it wasn’t until the fans that are disclosing now, it wasn’t until they got older that they were able to look back and see things clearly!
Yeah, wasn’t it said that she just recently left one of the group chats that had minors?
@@sweetluvgurl yeah I saw she just left this year when this popped off.
@@angelakabeautylast week, she left the group chat last week
Thanks for summing that up idk her from Adam so I’m like what is happening. Yikes.
yeah, no shade but i kinda wish he'd looked at more of the irrefutable evidence and *then* given her whatever benefit of the doubt he thought appropriate.
Not all losers are groomers, but all groomers are certainly losers
Kirk- If you haven't seen her childrens book she wrote or seen the videos from any of her actual victims I suggest you look into that. It might give you a little more perspective into how her career was built on innapropriote behavior with children. Unfortunatley it doesnt just boil down to a few dms
yeah seems like he’s lacking crucial context and i couldn’t continue watching his analysis, it’s breaking my heart a bit.
During my first years working as a teacher, I tried to be extremely mindful of the relationship I created with my students. Most of them were senior or junior high schoolers so they could easily see me as their "cool aunt" or "big sister" since we shared also a lot of the same hobbies and I was barely older than them.
However, my responsability as the adult it was to put the boundaries. I did not give my personal info like social media profiles or replied to personal messages if they found me. If they wanted to have lunch with me (which it was allowed), I always made sure we ate in a open space like the schoolyard benches or cafeteria. Why did I do that? Because I noticed some students got very emotionally attached to me and wanted to consider me as their friend, which it is simply not possible. I did not want to them to forget I was an adult and, at best, I could be a mentor to them beside being their teacher. Imagine if I normalized this behavior and one of these students met someone with bad intentions? I would be setting a bad example. It sounds mean maybe, but I always tried to gently push them to interact with people of their own age and made clear I had my own friends and all of them were around my age.
I think Colleen should have done that. She needed to remember she is the adult and the distance she should have put is in the best interest of the kids around her.
This is the first time a creator I routinely watch is in the mist of a scandal. I’ve never been into the Miranda Sings content BECAUSE of the sexual references and innuendos. The thinly vailed references to molestation and abuse were too much for me. I think there is some unresolved trauma with Colleen that is a the root of all of this. But if she can’t accept or acknowledge that her behavior and conversations with minor children were inappropriate then that is a major problem. I think she was a girl that finally felt accepted and validated by her younger audience and finally got to have that immature teenage experience later in life. Not okay by any means and again she needs to acknowledge and work though all of this with a therapist. Should definitely spend some time off the internet.
Agreed by this entirely. But I don’t know that she’s able to see this.
Miranda is fun!
Totally agree! major arrested development vibes. It's wild and sad that she got to be 36 whole years old with such ToTaL lack of self awareness🧐💀
I agree with everything except describing a 30+ yr old grown ass woman as just "a girl" who finally felt accepted. This is not a child. She was 30+ when engaging in this behaviour with minors. If this was a 30+ yr old man you wouldn't be sitting here going "hE wAs jUsT a bOy...."
I feel like her behavior screams "this was done to me as a child so I see nothing wrong with it" but also "I was hurt and made to feel small so now I want to hurt others and feel powerful" none of this makes any of this ok in any way- but it's interesting to think about and maybe we can learn something and prevent more children from getting hurt
That song seemed to be written in an alternate state of reality. Nothing she said addressed the screenshots, photos, and videos calling her out for her behavior. She pretended like everything is a lie, and people are just exposing her for clout. She even reduced the one girl's discomfort and humiliation for being called on stage, told to lie on her back, and then have Colleen spread her legs wide open as just a "fart joke." That was far more than just a fart joke. Something is very, very wrong with Colleen, and it's not just OCD or whatever mania causes her to pick her skin. She needs real therapists who are willing to tell her the truth.
its all lies but then we also are supposed to forgive her for her 'mistake' because she's 'just human' ... well what is it, colleen? did you make a 'mistake ' or is it all a lie?
The “fart joke” is when she had a 16 year old girl come on stage while wearing a revealing romper( the children were encouraged to dress revealing to be called on stage for a specific skit though she was not called for that skit ). The girl came on stage, laid on her back and spread her legs in front of Colleen’s face and then a fart noise goes off as if the girl had “farted”.. the girls romper was falling down and revealed a lot of her body while she was laying down and getting up. She said she was humiliated that she was exposed and felt exploited. Her story is getting picked apart but it is very valid. She should have been kept safe by the adult she idolized. The fan who worked for her says Colleen came back stage laughing while all the adults were horrified by what had happened and said the skit needed to be reworked. I think you are right, she needs to address what it is in her that didn’t stop her from participating in behaviors like this.
That it disgusting!!!
What I can’t get past with this apology is the sheer lack of understanding of the severity of these allegations. I don’t know if it’s just me, but if I were accused of this I would try to be as caring as possible in my response.
Exactly. She basically admitted to it, then diminished it, all the while saying it was lies. She didn’t address the feelings of anyone involved while simultaneously saying she made a mistake. I’m so disappointed tbh.
@@jumperc227she basically said “yeah I did all that, but in a noncreepy and not harmful way, so it’s fine!” But like… girl you don’t decide who was harmed and whether they were creeped out
It's not an apology though
@@lav7161true
Anytime we think we would handle something better than someone else given the same situation it just means we’re either lucky to have come out better at handling things than said person or deluding ourselves. In either case I think the only constructive thing is to try and understand why the person didn’t handle things they way should have or figuring out what need to do if we can’t and how to prevent it from happening further.
It's very strange how she makes herself the victim in all of this. Even her apathetic facial expression and slumped poster, gives that I'm a victim impression.
When she says her team advised her not to say anything but they didn't say she couldn't sing it it goes to show how she interprets getting away with her behavior; it's all in the name of how she defines her behavior. She figures if others interpret her behavior incorrectly it's not her fault because it's all in how they understand the definition. She just proved it with that statement by still doing what she wants with her definition of understanding under her terms and it's the fault of others if they take it the wrong way or "misinterpret" it. Very childish viewpoint on her part. Some will get it and some won't get it but it's not her fault because she can do what she wants at least in her opinion. She's gotten away with it all these years.
Her perspective is very juvenile. It seems like a case of someone with arrested development issues. She’s in her 30’s but is an emotionally stunted teenager on the inside. I also think Colleen & her siblings adopted inappropriate behavior from an adult family member who is probably still close with them. Her acknowledging how damaging her behavior was would also mean acknowledging the inappropriate behavior she probably received as a child from a family member she trusts. I won’t be surprised if she doesn’t want to open that box of repressed memories and cause a rift in her family.
I never watched her on UA-cam, but i watched her show on netflix. It was pretty bad and i would have never guessed it was aimed towards children 😮 but when the young man first spoke out years ago, i believed him. Havent thought about her since until all the new disgusting behavior came to light. I am 33, childfree, and i will never understand people who think mol3st and grape jokes are funny ESPECIALLY when aimed at children. Telling kids to send explicit pics, oversharing, giving them lingerie, spreading a young teens legs on stage... 🤮
This apology was awful. We believe victims, not her. The kids came with receipts, she came with a dumb song just to call them liars. Shame.
I don’t see how this could ever been seen as any amount of remorse when she literally brought a ukelele out and said she wouldn’t be apologizing for stuff made up for clout.
Her response was very insulting. If you hurt someone you apologize not tell them what you went through, you apologize for what you put them through.
D- is way too generous! This was not an apology. I wish you had touched on the definition of grooming, and if her behavior falls into that category? There seems to be a lot of confusion there.
She wasn't remorseful. She was indignant. She apologized for some of it 3 years ago and that was apparently more genuine but now she's just enraged. The fact that her apology was catered to manipulating her young audience shows she's only out to protect her income.
Very well said. She isn't sorry, just upset that she was exposed.
I'm thrown by her delusion that an aunt would ever speak to their niece or nephew like she did in the group chat. Whaaaaat the.....?
Exactly... If the "wEiRd aUnT" was talking to her nieces/nephews about their favourite sexual positions, "jokingly" asking them to send pics of their ass, sending them lingerie, asking if they're a virgin, and talking to them about her husband's penis... THAT WOULD BE A SERIOUS ISSUE.
Present Colleen: It's so horrendous to be called the worst, most life-ruining words!
Past Colleen: Calls herself a dog murderer and a pedophile
The fart joke is what she reduced the Becky incident to. This was the one where she had an underage girl in a dress lay on her back and Colleen spread her legs apart and exposing the girl to the audience while Colleen made a fart noise. So she has no remorse about the trauma she subjected Becky to.
As much as it pains me to hear her again. It's worth it to hear your analysis.
This is what I was thinking
I researched this last night and the intimate conversations she had with children is extremely disturbing and my heart breaks for those kids. They admired and trusted her, and she 100% used her position of power to manipulate and harm them...and I'm sure some are too embarrassed to come forward. There is some sexism involved... because if she was a man, law enforcement likely would be involved. A 37 yr old man messaging a 13 yr old girl about sexual content likely would've resulted in charges. I really hope she gets help because it doesn't seem like she has empathy for those kids or takes true accountability. Thanks for covering this...it's been 🤯!
Just wanted to point out that the victim was 14 at the time and she was 31 at the time... Not that it matters too too much, but people tend to remember the most ghastly details, while the timeline has been very confusing.
I always love your instinct to not jump to conclusions but i would prefer if you'd also deep dive to the allegations as they are coming from (now former) fans. Its pretty damning evidence, and so much of it. The way she sent lingiere to that 14yo and how that jumpstarted a ever growing inappropriate relationship, leading into unpaid labor.
Yes, context is extremely important in this story.
You were being very generous here, this wasn’t a real apology at all and deserved an F
F-
She sent naked pics of Trisha paytas to a minor. I think that is a federal crime?
Where is the proof of that I haven't watched much so who said that
I hate that not more people are talking about this....that is a federal crime... I don't care how old you are, that's terrible!!!!
It definitely should be!
@@christineg6123 this is the internet go look it up yourself!
@@daniharr3278YOURE the first person ive seen talk about this, we're on the internet already, just link us the proof. Serious accusation you've thrown out there, so prove it.
The tweet about the employee who complained not only was 15 when she “befriended “ him and also had private chats with him too, he started working for her when he was legally old enough, paid badly but more importantly they took away his room privileges and other agreed privileges of the contract, in the middle of the tour when he was already committed to the traveling and had a stage part, he had to sleep in the van or something, and other things. I got way too involved in watching these kids stories over the weekend. It’s not just that he was a disgruntled employee. He was groomed and taken advantage of for cheap labor because he thought they had a close relationship.
Also the yoga sketch with the teen in a dress, having her legs spread on stage, she has a video explaining the incident, and there’s footage of the actual scene. It’s worse than it sounds.
I think the fart joke was when she brought a tween up on stage, laid her down and spread her legs whilst playing a fart sound. She was wearing a skort and the kid said that event really traumatized her and noticed lots of grown men after the event leering at her. She felt objectified by Colleen and embarrassed.
Bless his heart he is trying so hard to stay neutral at the beginning but I feel he looks so uncomfortable 😬😬😭
Yes! Been waiting for Dr Honda’s take on this! Thank you for covering this topic.
Rachel Oates has a fantastic video going through Colleens book showing how absolutely inappropriate it is for children, it adds some disturbing context.
Actually, no one is doxxing her. If anything, she's the one who encouraged her fans to doxx her victim for years. She's an awful manipulative person. She's saying in this video "I never intended to manipulate anyone" and yet that's exactly what she's doing in this video.
Yes. She also had a family vlog channel and has been "doxxing" all 3 of her kids since birth 😮😮
Not only did this "apology" not resonate with non-fans, but especially with the alleged (and proven) victims of her exploitation and grooming. None of what she has done was addressed by her, nor did she apologize, take accountability, etc. More so, she's victimizing herself ('won't survive the crash', 'my boney little back') to garner empathy and especially for her fans to feel sorry for her and defend her even more before her critics. Also, she has shifted the blame onto people exposing her wrong-doings instead of admitting that she has, in the face of all the evidence, done and said a lot of inappropriate things revolving around and involving children.
Tone-deaf and egoistical of her, and definitely an attempt to paint herself as the martyr and do some sort of weird musical PR stunt more than actually expressing remorse.
I think the especially egregious exploiting of an 'employee' was having a 13-16 year old fan (who believed they were so close that talking about his virginity, sexual positions, his weight/body, confiding in him about her x-husband and sex with him, etc) produce and run her Twitter, etc and not pay him....and then malign him. He has proof of it. Sad.
"Maybe this is just a light intro" 😂
I’m afraid your research wasn’t extensive enough. I personally think you can only understand this situation at the minimum, if you see it in the light of the 2020 apology and what she apparently did behind the scene. You get a much better understanding of her pattern of manipulation (no matter if intentional or not).
Also, the fart joke was about a fan who’s called Becky. Becky participated in a so called yoga chellenge during a show. Colleen spread Becky‘s legs while she was laying on her back. than a fart noise sounded and Becky‘s romper fell down and she was exposed. She herself talks about this now as a traumatic experience and accuses Colleen of not protecting her underage body and well being. - Colleen diminishing Becky’s pain to an unharmful fart joke is, imo, disgusting.
Hopefully he reads this comment. Very little to no research.
I think it makes sense bc he’s analyzing the apology and not her as a person. So it helps the analysis to be unbiased about the situation.
Personally! 100% NOT saying she is in the right or defending her actions!
People wanted him to react to her apology. He was kind enough to do that. He isn't obligated to go down an idiotic youtube rabbit hole and familiarize himself with every bit of Miranda Sings lore archived on the internet. He puts tons of time and effort into making content and sharing insanely valuable expertise, but you're response is "Not good enough! Jump higher!" Very gross.
@@bigwhy6845 that's a valid point but "very gross" feels unnecessary. for an apology to actually be graded, you need to know the context.
if i stab you in the chest and do a great heartfelt apology about ruining your shirt... it might look great to someone who didn't know what happened, but... etc etc.
you could make the point "if i were to take this apology in a vacuum and assume everything they say is true, then i'd rate their apology XYZ" is valuable analysis and maybe that's true, but he didn't say he was doing that and did provide some of his own context.
so maybe it's just not a great idea to take this approach w viral public figures bc it confuses ppl who don't know what's going on and angers people who do
Thanks so much for covering this. It was just confirmed today via Adam and Johnny (via screenshots) that Colleen send them porn of her current podcast cohost, trisha paytas when they were 13-16 years old. She was 33. Isn’t this punishable by law??
It is. 💯.
I highly suggest watching Swoops last video regarding this. She interviews victims and has a lot of legitimate evidence
Yes, I watched it earlier today and it’s a very legit breakdown of everything.
Also, the compilation of reactions video going around is amazing too
I suggested that too when he said he was doing a video. 💖💖
I just....if I was being accused of being inappropriate with children and it was all lies, I would sit down with all of my evidence compiled to prove that I didn't do it. I don't understand how she's saying everything is made up and everyone is lying, but simultaneously saying she just made a mistake and she shouldn't be attacked for doing things we don't like in her past. Like which is it? Are they lying, or did you do the things they're accusing you of? I feel like the vague nature of this is purposeful because actually taking accountability would mean divulging details that would make her look worse. So instead she makes a ten minute song about how bad cancel culture is while simultaneously making a mockery of these children and young adults who have been affected by her. Idk it's gross to me....
Which is it, you ask? Let’s see. I believe this entire song can be accurately summarised as follows:
It didn't happen (“toxic gossip”, “lies”)
And if it did, it wasn't that bad. (“many years ago” “i was just like a (harmless) weird aunt at a family gathering”)
And if it was, that's not a big deal. (“I am a loser not a groomer”, reducing Becky’s experience to a “fart joke”)
And if it is, that's not my fault. (“I just wanted to be besties with my fans”, I didn’t know better “at the beginning of my career”)
And if it was, I didn't mean it. (literally: “I didn’t mean to manipulate”)
And if I did, you deserved it. (the victims are “chasing clout”)
@@myepictbr6968damnnnn!!! You should make this a main comment and not just a reply bc this is so poignant
But, to call this an apology seems dismissive to All the victims
I love how she's mad at us for having OBVIOUS malicious intent while she weeps about her intent being misinterpreted.
Respectfully, it seems you're not familiar enough with what Colleen is being called out for, which is understandable because it's A LOT, but if you're going to respond to these complicated situations, you should probably be more informed than this. Also, I'm afraid you might be a little biased against anyone being publicly called out due to your experience with it, and every time I've heard you bring up your experience, you sound just as upset, so I hope you're working through your feelings about it.
I love that you give the benefit of the doubt. I’m this case I believe there’s a lot of factual tangible proof. Just wondering if you could do videos about the victims involved such as Becky, Adam, Johnny, etc. it seems like your take on their videos and stories would help the full picture. Just a thought ☺️
Omg I didn’t know if you were going to do this one, so glad you did 🙏🏻
The “fart joke” is when she brought a teenager to stage on her live shows, spread opened her legs while she was laying on her back on the floor…. She had a romper, and a fart sounded through the sound system in the theater. The girls was testifying how violated she felt…. And Colleen calls that just a “fart joke”!!
She clearly did not learn from her mistakes if she is still justifying her behaviour.
maybe youtube should add ethical training guidelines for parasocial relationships on the backend of creator sites like they have training on gettting views and seo etc
I deal with psychopathy. I didnt intend to lie or manipulate. When i would lie, i didnt even consider if what i was saying was true or not. I just said whatever i thought would best serve my end goal.
Id happy to say i am not causing harm. Now that i understand whats going on, im able to combat it.
Glad you’re getting better!
Dr. Honda, thank you so so much for speaking to impact vs intent. I’ve gone back and forth with loved ones so many times and said ad nauseam that simply having good intentions doesn’t absolve one of personal responsibility 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I remember telling my mom that someone we both knew had behaved abusively at one point and she said, “well, did they intend to be abusive?” I wanted to scream 🫠
A few of the victims have made videos with screenshots and videos of Colleen saying problematic things, so there is more than enough evidence if you wanted to look. Personally, I think she was SA'd as a child and a lot of behaviours were normalized for her, but she is old enough that she should start to realize these things are not ok rather than defending them.
A fact: She messaged underage (e.g.13 y.o!) fans sending them pornographic content, nudes of Trisha Paytas. She got the nudes by subscribing to her onlyfans. Colleen Ballinger purchased porn, and sent it to kids, completely unsolicited, with no context.
That's one thing she has done that is absolutely wrong. She wasn't just messaging to her fans in a "loser" kind of way.
It kind of sucks to know that a good therapist could be really life changing. Those who need it most more often than not don't have access to it. To say I haven't even begun to unpack my childhood sexual trauma is a massive understatement. And I know my experience doesn't even come close to what others have been through.
I was waiting for this!!!!! Thank you Dr. Honda
I love the thorough explanation of psychologists’ quest for objectivity here. I’ve never considered how much work is involved in reducing personal biases in the interest of the patient. Thanks for a new perspective!
Kind of outside of the Colleen Ballinger situation, what you talk about here gets at some important points about what “cancel culture” does. So often “cancellation” includes public harassment, social isolation, threats, and more. I’m not sure that anyone deserves that, even people who definitely need to be held accountable. Cancel culture doesn’t pave a great road towards people changing. But it does create a lot more harm.
I think this is very important to keep in mind/discuss!
Those are all things Colleen did to a teenage boy. Some people really do need to be deplatformed and forced to go away.
FINALLY!!!! been thinking about you making this video for days!!
been waiting all week for this!!
I'm just seven minutes in but you already said few times that "you don't know full landscape" so I'm worried how it goes later 😞 The biggest part of this story is her behind-the-scenes behavior towards Adam McIntyre who was teenager at that time (now 20), and later her orchiestrating her fans to attack him and accuse him of lying.
He did do some background research and reactions on her that are available to members.
It can be very frustrating watching people react and respond to this whole situation because SO many things have been exposed, she’s been accused of (with evidence in most cases) sooo many things, that often when someone is coming in to comment they either only know about some of those things, and then say stuff like that doesn’t seem that bad, or, because there’s such an overwhelming number of things she’s been accused of, you forgot while you’re speaking about it about many of those things, and maybe you focus on one’s that aren’t so bad. Some of what she’s done is so so horrible, maybe don’t focus on or even mention the stuff that “isn’t so bad”, then who cares, cuz there’s stuff that IS bad. Speaking with minors in private chats for years and years, sharing details of your marriage and sexual life, speaking to them about sex and other very inappropriate topics. Using the power imbalance to manipulate and use those kids etc. and also the inappropriate nature of her content and live shows, where she has affected her young fans by having them participate in these things… it’s bad. It’s really THAT bad, even if one or two of the other auxiliary accusations aren’t that bad.
I've looking forward to your take on this. Thanks so much❤
I’ve been waiting for this one TURN IT UP
Slightly sufficient 🤣🤣🤣
In what world could responding to child grooming accusations with a ukulele song while taking no accountability be considered any amount of sufficient?!
I really appreciate your discussion at timestamp 8:43 about the concerns with marketing to children. My daughter and watch an episode of Mr. Rogers daily. He was a man who was very aware of the vulnerability of children and had a deep sense of responsibility toward protecting his viewers. He refused to allow any sort of marketing of his face/image or of the characters in the land of make-believe because he didn't want to manipulate children to buy his stuff so he could make more money. He valued children more than he valued fame or profit. I think that should be the standard for anyone making content for children.
Dr. Honda, you are so good at speaking on all of the hot topics at the moment. I am always thinking “I wish that he would do a video on this” and then boom!
Been waiting on this video!!
I'm always so curious to see Dr Honda's reaction but I'm especially curious if he can give some insight to why on earth she would do this as a song. It's just SO inappropriate and incongruous to the severity of what she's been accused of.
Anthony Fantano made the fantastic observation that a song (especially one that sounds like this, with a uke, with train "choo choo" imagery) appeals greatly to children. I'm sure that's part of it. It also dismisses the accusations as being so silly as not worthy of a serious response.
Some background info that's helpful in understanding why she did this: 1. She truly does not believe that she has done anything wrong. 2. She doesn't care what the general public thinks about her. In keeping with #1, she thinks we're all stupid ridiculous people who are "falsely" accusing her of wrongdoing.
So now, knowing these two facts, I will provide the reason she did this: the video is not for you/us/the general public. The video is for her fans. The video is for kids. She doesn't care that we think it makes her look terrible. She doesn't care that it's horribly insensitive and offensive to the victims (cuz she doesn't believe there ARE any real victims). Her young fans will eat it up because it's very manipulative and completely misrepresents the facts. That's why she did this. She doesn't care about what she did wrong and she doesn't care what we think of her, it's just to manipulative the narrative for the kids who are willing to blindly support her cuz they're too young to think critically for themselves or understand the gravity of the situation.
The severity 🤣🙄🤦♀️
@@elainekellogg6345 ok groomer
She’s going to come out and say something like “I’ve been thinking a lot. It’s not me, it’s Miranda, it’s always been Miranda. Thank you for helping me see it, I will now take the brave, vulnerable, scary, but necessary steps to move on and put that character in the past where she belongs.” Or some crazy shit like that
I love this channel and the fact you covered this is amazing.❤
He kept calling her “genius” but I think he’s confusing that term with “manipulative”. I don’t get how he didn’t see this as a narcissist being backed into a corner and trying to blame shift. He offered her a lot of potential excuses rather than explain how inappropriate this type of reaction is.
Tbh, I think his analysis was prejudiced and influenced by him learning the fact that she's had a successful career on youtube for a long time, so there must be some very smart underlying process to this. He already prefaced his reaction by saying sth to the effect this might be the perfect response... I think he was primed to react that way he did.
He says in videos before that he works with a lot, what people would deem "abusive people " in therapy. So maybe he is taking that stance.
Yeah, I don't like how much he focused on "taking out the specificity of the situation, what she's talking about IS a real problem"... Like, yea, that's exactly what narcissists DO. they try to completely distract from their wrongdoings by going on a rant about something that everyone obviously agrees is objectively terrible. Like no shit, everyone can agree that the internet sometimes dogpiles on innocent people and attacks them, and that it's wrong that that happens. Nobody would say that's a good thing. But it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SITUATION. She's deflecting from the reality of what happened. In this context there's no point talking about how what she's saying is a real problem, because it has nothing to do with her situation, and that's exactly what she WANTS - she WANTS people to get distracted by that point and forget about the part where she did terrible things.
@@meowJACK 👏👏👏 yes, thank you
I think it’s also worth noting that Adam McIntyre has made a lot of the serious allegations about her and his relationship with her, but has also said repeatedly that he’d stop talking about it forever if he and his parents received private and public apologies from her and as far as we know, she has not done that up to this point in time.
She is downplaying the whole situation and making it seem like something she did at the beginning of her career when many of the receipts are from 2020. It seems like her and her whole family (as all her siblings are involved in some way) have unresolved issues with boundaries and possibly child abuse
Omg I'm so happy you're analyzing this
Did you not watch to the end of the video where her last words are “But what do I know? F*ck me, right”??? That pretty much summed up the whole video…it wasn’t an apology, it was a manipulative exercise in self pity and self importance.
Dr. Honda: Out of every reaction video I've seen in response to her video, I appreciate yours the most. You did a very accurate job in analyzing the details closely. Even though you say you don't understand the allegations, the way that you took your time and didn't react in the same way everyone else did says wonders. I get very tired of people calling this the "worst apology ever." For starters, this wasn't an apology video. Far from it. Secondly, calling anything the worst ever and titling it so becomes incredibly boring. Dear God, let's come up with a different tag line, people. Kudos to you for taking a professional approach to this topic. Grading it on different criteria was a nice touch as well.
Thanks for covering this!!
I love how you describe this! You are always right on the mark (in my mind). You're very talented and knowledgeable! You make so much sense!
Y’all got Dr,Honda involved in this mess
For those who don't know the story. This topic was brought back by a person who confessed to help Colleen Ballinger with making a hate campaign towards Adam McIntyre and denying a story which he provided three years ago when he was 17 and Ballinger was around 30. This person showed screenshots of inappropriate private conversations between Colleen and Adam (given to her by Colleen) which he found embarrasing and he never wanted them to be revealed. Adam was taken by surprise with this confession and screenshots, he was not prepared at all and now he feels retraumatized.
This is what Colleen Ballinger summed up as "At least you had fun."
I was waiting on this video with too much eagerness!
I definitely have been feeling similarly to what you're expressing in this video
I'm a little surprised by this reaction. I apreciate kirk for wanting to stay neutral but I think he is missing a mark here and it feels icky. I wonder if he is inclined to really rocus on the internet mob thing because of his own experiences with that. Not saying that that is not a real problem but I am not sure if this is the moment to talk about that. I felt like the weight of the accusations wasn't represented in this reaction, and I also felt like he didn't have the full picture. With this situation that is kinda important. It was a little triggering to me
Oh, no you are triggered?! 🙄
@@cookie_dough_hangoverwhat point are you trying to make here?
@@seashells1460 little snowflakes get triggered easily..
@@cookie_dough_hangoverYou're in the wrong commentsection to be throwing snowflake around, it just makes you look like a snowflake.
I’m sorry. I hope you are ok.