PART 1 of 2: Helpful Advice for Recovering Traditionalists - w/ Sister Mary Eucharista, SMMC
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- Sister Mary Eucharista joins me again (hear her story here: • THANKFUL & JOYFUL - Fo... ), 17 years after leaving the Sedevacantist CMRI, to discuss the transition out of radical Traditionalism and what can help those considering making that move and those who are adjusting to life integrated in the universal Church! Sister shares from her own experience with wisdom, charity and a sense of humor.
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Sister has the heart of a true teacher. Thank you Sister for your wisdom and your love. Thank you Laura for the interview.
You are so welcome!
Scrupulosity is bad in trad circles. The just man sins 7 times a day. Be discerning…but chill. 🙏🏻🇻🇦
This was wonderful! I love Sister's comment on Spirituality and religion and her encouragement of non religious therapy. Such great info in this!
"Every fanatic deep down struggles to conceal and slip through an inward sneaking doubt.
For it is to a zealot that the desperate sense of self-righteousness is impossible to suppress."
-Dr. Tzamalikos
What great work the lord has for this Sister - what a blessing to hear from her again!
I heard in a homily on UA-cam the priest stating that there are no liberal or conservative Catholics - you’re either Catholic or you are not. I loved that.
Love your channel, I pray you guys can bring some unity between the TLM parishioners and the rest of us.
That's sad ppl feel a divide. I primarily go to the TLM at a FSSP parish but I also go to the NO sometimes...the mass is the mass! I've never heard anything divisive from my priests thankfully.
@@amandaf3442 Most priest who celebrate TLM are not divisive . We have not lost one single TLM in my diocese and there are multiple to chose from.
The Church seems to have a few extremist on the progressive side and on the opposite side .
Any way I can't keep up with all the SSP's and who is in union with Rome or not. 😆
But I'm glad the only division you see is here on the internet.
Be Blessed
@@lonniestoute8762 that's all very true! 😅 I suppose I just worry when some ppl use TLM synonymous with "Rad Trad". God Bless
I can relate to the anecdote at 27:25. Roman priests love giving out holy cards of their shrines or special images associated with their parishes. A pilgrimage to Rome is such a faith affirming experience.
It sounds to me the title confuses traditionalism and sedevacantism in a harmful way. One can be traditionalist without being sedevacantist (the video description clarifies that it is about sedevacantism, yes that helps a little, but the problem with the title still remains)
Sister speaks to Sedevacantism specifically because that was her own experience, but she and I both discuss and treat of topics relating to Traditionalists in general, not Sedevacantists exclusively. The same spirit is at work in the various groups that make their ideology their rule of faith, hence they don't consider it enough to say they are simply "Catholic" but decide to qualify that further by adding "Traditional" as if being Catholic did not necessarily mean one was traditional. It is a move of distinction that sets them apart from other Catholics, as they wish it to do, but it delineates them as of a different stripe, as indeed they are, who make decisions for the Church about what is or is not acceptable, prudent, appropriate, beneficial, correct, orthodox, etc. instead of submitting to her judgments as a true son or daughter of the Church would do.
Every “traditional “ Catholic seems to have their own definition of what traditional means. That’s the confusion. It’s similar to a Protestant identifying as a “Bible believing” Christian. Implying that other Christians that disagree with them aren’t Bible believers.
Every Protestant and every Catholic believes in the Bible , so that’s not the real issue. The real issue is who is the authoritative interpreter of the Bible , The individual or the Church? .
Likewise every faithful Catholic believes in Tradition, So that’s not at issue either. The real issue is ,,,, who is the authoritative interpreter of Tradition? The individual or the magisterium of the Church? The claim of “traditional “ is an attempt to control language, implying that other Catholics that go to the novus ordo are not traditional, A judgmental , condemning attitude on various matters above one’s pay grade follows from that . that’s the problem, same problem we can easily see in Protestant denominations. Sorry this was long
@@mycatholicexperience8409 Thanks for your insightful comment! Indeed the confusion seems to come from there being different kinds of traditionalists.
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Put this title in the UA-cam search box and make your own independent decision. "Sedevacantism Visualised"
Can a non-Catholic who doesn't know Jesus Christ enter into heaven as such?
Why cant we just celebrate the Traditional Mass in the vernacular? I think that would stop all this division.
No. Just obey the Church.
@@a.t.c.3862 dont get your point. Both Masses are still allowed by the Church.
Amen, vernacular was the common practice for centuries
@@a.t.c.3862 We're asked to speak up about what changes we as the faithful want to see, so that the ideas and proposals can be reviewed. So we are obeying the church, though in a different format than the recent Synod.
@@stvtorres75I'd go a step further and unify both forms. There are tweaks that can be done to the TLM that cannot detract (in the views of a traditionalist) from the TLM-- such as adding the NO's OT Reading and reading from far more of the Bible (such as the NO's present schedule with liturgical years 1, 2, & 3). Offering it in the Vernacular is important. The Latin is spiritually powerful BECAUSE it's a dead language, but that power requires the speaker and those listening to be familiar and firm in their belief of the meaning.
I'd love to see the TLM come back in favor with what I think are the lessons of the past 50+ years in focus: reverence is key, tradition should always remain strongly preferred, the clergy must morally be without reproach, innovation isn't generally evil but isn't always conducive, and setting the bar higher is actually encouraging. You wouldn't run a marathon on a 100 meter course. The goal is to finish the marathon, not to try to cheat it short. God's is only one who should whisk you away and to your finishing line sooner.
That all said, I think the Latin form should be highly important in bringing together multilingual "romance language" communities. In the USA and Canada, that'd mean the many English/Spanish and English/French parishes could celebrate together for Christmas and Easter vigils, weekday Holy Days of Obligation, etc.
But otherwise, I think the dioceses should look to make most features of (daily) Catholic life accessible to everyone they possibly can. I'd like to be able to get to daily mass but it's not an option for me. One church offers a mass 45 minutes before work but I'd perpetually risk being late. One looks like it could work as it's the only one I could reliably get to, but it's listed as being offered in Spanish. There's one weekday 6:30pm mass that I could reliably get to but Adoration isn't offered there, it's offered on the same day and in the opposite direction and only until 7pm. I guess I could get there at 5:20pm, leave there by 5:45pm, and get to once-weekly daily mass at 6:30, but watching the clock is rather against the point of being at Adoration. There's zero perpetual adoration chapels in 20 miles of home or work.
The situation for confession is even worse, as almost every church only offer confessions on Saturdays (before or after their evening mass) so everyone's stuck walking around in a state of sin for a week or more at a time (depending on work schedules and weekend plans). They can try to call the parish offices for an appointment but no guaranties. And I doubt most people would ask regardless since it's uncomfortable and, in my opinion, likely lessens the seal of secrecy (especially for those that prefer to be behind the screen).
As for solutions, the diocese should look at a map of their churches and the approximate populations (either by registered parishioners and their towns or government census data). Then should try to plan it in rough grids or circles that the vast majority of people have options within 15 to 30 minutes of their home or work for most opportunities. For daily mass, that would generally mean multiple parishes should be kept coordinated. Perhaps one offers mass at 6:30am, another 8am, a third 5:30pm, and a fourth 7pm. 35% of the population can currently get to the typical Daily Mass-- half of that is retirees and the other half are people who start work between 10am to midnight. You could probably more than double the numbers that go to daily mass if it's available daily and planned to be convenient enough for the majority.
The goal of all this isn't how many parishioners are in the seats. That's not the mark of an effective Church. The mark is how many of those parishioners live differently as a result of being at their Church.
Please cf. Trilingual heresy en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilingual_heresy 😮😊
The translation of the Holy Scriptures into Old Church Slavonic gave impetus to mass literacy, education and culture, which today is celebrated as the Day of Slavonic Alphabet, Bulgarian Enlightenment and Culture. That is why the sermons end with ″Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia″ against Trilingual heresy.