Main Quest Comparison: Skyrim & Morrowind
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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This week, George finally finished the main quest of Skyrim and decided that it's time to put it to bed. Consider this it's eulogy. And a mild gushing over how awesome Morrowind was.
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In Skyrim, you're expected to succeed, and you have to work to live up to those expectations. You simply obeyed your fate.
In Morrowind, you're expected to fail, and you work to prove those expectations wrong. You MADE your fate.
+Corto Maltese This comment should really have more thumbs up
Javier Babé
As should yours :)
+Corto Maltese marry me
+Corto Maltese in skyrim you're expected to succeed becouse developer are lazy.
+superderrick93 More like Modder are expected to do Developer jobs in Skyrim.
Balgruuf: Fancy robes. You a wizard or something?
Me: Im the dragonborn. I saved your hold from a dragon. I defeated Alduin and ended the civil war. You helped me capture a dragon.
Balgruuf: Fancy robes. You a wizard or something?
Adrian Jutronich
Swag. Holla if you need me.
10/10 xD
He doesn't speak like that at all. In fact, he sees you as a friend after he makes you Thane.
HolyknightVader999
nope
no
stop lying
+kalpesh shinde
Oh look, another guy who didn't play Skyrim.
Collected every daedric artifact, and dealt with those princes and princesses.
Defeated the legendary world eater, and devoured it's soul.
Plundered dozens upon dozens of crypts and dungeons.
Learned every known dragon shout, and absorbed dozens of dragons souls.
Ended the civil war that threatened the land.
Regrew the thieves guild, and took hold of the dark brotherhood.
Ended the iron grip Mirrak had on Solstheim.
Became the very last true dragon born.
Brought back the Dawngard, and defeated Lord Harkon.
Joined the companions, brought together the fragments of wuuthrad, and became a warewolf.
Became thane of every city, bought every house, built all 3 available homes.
Went to Sovengard, alive. And came back. Alive.
Saved millions of lives, and ended thousands.
Ripped the hearts out of slain daedra to make armor and weapons that contained their essence..
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"Another traveler, here to lick my father's boots.."
download a mod and kill him
And? Do you think a spoiled child will care what you do? Exactly the personality of that child is that he is incredibly rude and that he does not give a shit about other people.
What I'm more concerned with is... "Do you get to the cloud district very often? Oh, what am I saying, of course you don't."
That line is spoken by an adult fully cognizant of who you are and the fact that you've probably saved his life thousands of times over, from random vampire attacks, to a dragon that threatens to end the world. And... he's still a disrespectful asshole.
@@danieltaylor4912 "If I see you with your hand in my pocket, I'm going to cut it off"
-Famous last words of a guard looking a me with full dragonbone armor.
@@void9399 The Dragonborn especially one that has done all the feats described isn't just one of the many "people" that come and go, other than the literal Gods that exist in Tamriel he may have easily been the one to shape the entire realm the most at best and at worst he's the stuff of Legends that will be sung and remembered for entire Ages. It makes zero sense even for a spoiled child to just dismiss him as another servant guy after meeting for him for the 1000th time, it's just pure lazyness, not on the part of the child but on the part of the devs, you see this everywhere and it's nigh immersion breaking that they clearly wrote almost everything as if the Dragonborn would always be a Level 1 prisoner who just escaped from Helgen.
Ordinator: My Lord, Dagoth Ur is planning to attack Vivec.
Vivec: Oh ok but, um, me or the city?
Ordinator:.............yes.
Vivec: Friggin smartass...
I understood that reference
Dammit, Almalexia!
LOL DBZ Abridged lolol
That moment you discover you went very deep inside Almalexia in the Tribunal Expansion ;)
Morrowind let's me fly without mods or glitches 10 outta 10.
Also lets you teleport. Mark and recall becomes it's own meta-game/mechanic for traveling efficiently
@@werdle92 The two reasons why I wear the Mentor's Ring and have the Mysticism skill as a Marksman.
Got to miss the small things in Morrowind.
Like the howls coming over the distant mountains in the mornings
The lightning and thunder deafening you
The guardsmen attacking you if you were seen wearing their armor
Daedric gear not being standard issue to every 2 cent bandit
The look of glass gear
Secretive vampire clans
Using the fold out map that came with the game
A tutorial that prepared you for nothing
tanker9987 seems like someone needs to take off those nostalgia glasses
Deathpool He's not wrong. The game was and still is awesome because of all the little details especially.
tanker9987 The lack of world leveling, the great Dunmer voices, getting your ass handed to you by rats because you made a warrior like character that knew jackshit about daggers and the tutorial not being nice enough to give you something other than that
tanker9987 Daggers hidden under pillows at times
+Deathpool Everything he said is true.
One thing I hate about Skyrim is that without the Quest Marker it's almost impossible to find where you're supposed to go. Almost all the information you'll get about your next destination is the Quest Marker. I liked that in Morrowind, finding your way was part of the gameplay. Skyrim is a big guided tour... It's not a bad game but I enjoyed Morrowind way more.
+krickrack The problem here is that some Morrowind NPCs give poor directions i.e. they tell you to go West of such and such but you have no idea how far West so you're left wondering if you've past your destination or not , or might even miss it if the quest giver forgot to tell you that you also need to go South a ways.
+Gogators57ftw I liked that some NPCs gave poor directions. I remember some NPCs giving wrong directions too (north instead of south). I always assumed that it was intentional... not a flaw. I don't think they should remove the Quest Marker either because some people enjoy playing with it and it's ok... But it would be nice if the NPCs were giving directions too so that you can play without the Quest Marker. That's only my opinion.
+krickrack I personally think they should just mark it on the map. No marker arrow, but you know exactly where you need to go and its still lore-friendly. This would even give more freedom to the player because they could decide which route they wanted to take themselves. Of course if you genuinely prefer Morrowind's system, more power to you I suppose.
+Gogators57ftw This I think is a good compromise. You can ask an NPC where something is, they'll direct you and you get its icon on your map. Then you can set your own marker to be the equivalent of someone looking down at a map, pointing in that direction, and following it.
When you're INSIDE a cavern of dungeon though, then you're left with your own wits and navigation, which shouldn't be a problem so long as the level designers keep things coherent and recognizable. Have one of Oblivion's 'area' markers instead of the "IT'S RIGHT HERE" markers once you reach where you need to go; that'd simulate your character noticing the area's importance or recognizing a description from your quest-giver.
To me that'd be a nice compromise for keeping things easy while also keeping some challenge while searching for something.
+ThunderPsyker I agree. Some NPCs could mark the location on the map and others could just give vague directions about a lesser-known location. In Skyrim I just feel that there is a all-knowing god pointing his finger at the next location that I have to go or at the next NPC that I have to talk to complete a quest. It's easier for the developers and I understand that some people like that system too but I think it should be an option that you can disable for a more immersive exploration experience.
I really enjoyed playing Skyrim, it's a fun game but there are many flaws too. I have never played Oblivion but I will some day :)
"There is a settlement that needs our help, let me mark it on your map"
"There is a draugr cave that needs clearing, let me mark ot on your map"
"There is an oblivion gate that needs closing, let me mark it on your map"
"There is is this bizarre faction that needs help/needs to be destroyed, go find it" - MW/FNV
NV's idea of grindy faction busywork was having you hand in something to a specific NPC. Missiles for the Boomers, dog tags to the Legion, ears to the NCR, ect.
"Wanna join my guild? Kill some rats in a old Elf's house."
"Hey, go be a bodyguard to a guy so he can go to a city halfway across the map."
In the journal: “This lady on the side of the road asked me to find a bandit that she had fallen in love with so I spat in her shoes because love is nothing”
*Skyrim:* Hey, we need you to clear a Nordic tomb again. Here, we'll mark it on your map and give you a quest marker.
*Oblivion:* "Scoobydoop Shmoopyboop asked me to kill a bear that was getting into her cattle, she gave me 100 Septims for the task and bestowed upon me the title of Bearfucker"
*Morrowind:* Go kill some Sixth House cultists. It's west, or something. There might be a bridge, I think? Just go fucking west.
hazed the Morrowind one is so fucking accurate
In Morrowind, you do quests because you think: "This seems interesting, I wonder where it takes me"
In Skyrim you do quests just to check them of the list and grab another one
Yea Skyrim quests are repeating fetch this fetch that that gets boring to the point it forces me to download quest mods
+legacymongolian yeah, I have just started dawn guard and all they are boring fetch quests and shit
Yeah, I played the same way, but it still felt great when I finished a quest, just like in Morrowind. Skyrim felt more true to life, in the most pessimistic way possible, which makes sense with it's boring quests, but I enjoyed both equally.
Loganvllach
Main problem I have with Skyrim is that Quests are 90% go to map marker, kill something that is marked with map marker on your map, take something that is marked on a... I think you get what I mean
Morrowind also had a lot of this, but you were given more context, you had to figure out where to go and so on.
And main quest had much better story. (I mean... Skyrim reveals main villain in the first minute of the game... before you can even move)
+Mr. Clem in oblivion you were almost immediately thrown into following an emperor you know nothing about, and then defending both yourself and him, then devoting your life to getting rid of that cult. you were literally just a random prisoner, and now youre saving a world that you really know nothing about. at least in skyrim its more subtle, sure you see the main bad guy immediately, but they dont hand you a sword and say "KILL IT, KILL IT KNOW, YOURE THE ONE!", after you leave that cave you are simply a prisoner who escaped a dragon attack.
Not every Elder Scrolls game lacked urgency. In the second game, Daggerfall, there were actually time limits to many quets. In fact, the very first story quest had a 1 month in game time limit to find and Imperial courier. That game is also a lesson in why you sometimes need characters to wait on your character forever in these types of games; If you failed to find that carrier in the month you had, he would leave the region of Daggerfall, you would fail the mission and be unable to complete the main story. Did I mention that Daggerfall had a map the size of Great Britain?
***** Same series, same company. Its fair game as far as I'm concerned.
They suck badly by comparison. Daggerfall in particular was amazing when it came out, but until a Brutal Doom type mod comes out to bring it relevance in the modern age, it will remain a curiosity more than anything.
No. Just... No.
Talking to nakamine btw. I agree 100% with your statements of Daggerfall.
Daggerfall also makes PS3 Skyrim look like a polished, bug-free game.
I'm not exaggerating.
Once upon a time there was a morrowind mod called "Nerevar say nerevar again". The mod made Jiub (the prisioner from the starting ship that asks your name) Nerevar. You were them just a randon person in a prisioner ship. They completely removed the main quest and every once in a while you would find the legendary Jiub with awesome armor doing super-heroic things.
It was one of my most fond memories in a videogame up to date. The feeling of "screw prophesy, I will do whatever I want" was so beautiful.
Oh my god, if you can find a link to that i wanna try it
That's awesome! Plus it makes his involvement in Oblivion that much cooler.
It definitely still exists (the mod) but I don't believe that's the name of it.
Is it weird that I prefer Morrowind's dialogue system over Skyrim? It's more of an RPG to me without listening to already bad voice acting. We wouldn't lose much without it.
Most people hurt themselves while reading.
The need for voice acting means a limitation in lines. Voic actors cost plenty of money. Reading lines means virtually unlimited content (because writing is - reasonably - cheap).
...That's why I wish we would return to the dialogue style of Morrowind.
DRSNova
If you want to read a book, read a book. Elder Scrolls games are games.
Colin Campbell And if you want to see a movie, then go see a movie. Because being cinematic is what games nowadays desperately try to be, but certainly weren't for the longest time. I grew up with text adventures, kid. And those were very much games. And yes, I read plenty of books. Do you?
DRSNova
Earth is for the young, old man. Cinematic tops boring text adventure every time.
the best thing about Morrowind is how loot is hidden literally everywhere, it seriously encourages you to explore every nook and cranny haha. Look under things, look behind things, chances are there is something hidden - especially when the world doesn't scale to your level and it's totally possible to get good gear early on. Not to mention how tense it is going into a cave not knowing whether you're going to get your butt kicked or not.
In Skyrim and Oblivion there is none of that. There are no hidden items, and all of the caves and dungeons are marked on your fucking compass... no sense of discovery or wanderlust. You find a chest and know what's going to be in it... OOO what a surprise; items that are appropriate for my level. Go into a cave; OOO what a surprise, enemies I know I can kill because the world scales to me
*****
Immersion. Because that's what you would do if you actually were an adventurer in a dungeon.
it's not repetitive at all - you're basically being rewarded for making the effort to look around :) if you play it yourself you would understand what I mean
***** > Any items you do need to find, such as those that pertain to a quest goal, are not hidden away in obscure places.
How about the dwemer puzzle box? It took me around two hours to figure out where that was.
the areas and loot scaling in oblivion and skyrim always felt like lazy level design to me. It eliminated that feeling of, 'i might find something really super cool if i get lucky'
Amen! Finding swords under pillows, magic rings under mushrooms, Daedric Helmets in nooks in cave ceilings... Magical!
The point about the prophecy is really good, especially considering the possible answers you can give to Dagoth Ur when he asks whether you really are the Nerevarine. In short, they are:
1. Yep.
2. It doesn't matter, I only serve the Emperor.
3. No, but I'll kick your ass anyway.
4. I have no clue.
The game doesn't force an answer down your throat. They are all perfectly valid and Dagoth Ur has interesting dialogue for each of them.
I love that "I only serve the Empreror" option. Through much of the game you're told about how much the people who believe in the Nerevarine distrust the Empire, so you constantly have to wonder why the emperor himself sendt you out on a quest to become the Nerevarine. Figuring out why is like a compelling little mini-quest of its own, except you do it inside your head instead of with on-screen text prompts.
And He actually treats you with respect, seeming to be very crestfallen if you decide you are the reincarnation of his very dear friend, or impressed with your giant brass balls if you declare yourself mortal and able to kill him anyway.
Your critic of Skyrim can be copied to Fallout 4.
+BUDA20 Fallout 4 is even worse, most dissapointing game ive played in my life
WHAT? Fallout 4 is even worse? LMAO, yeah, sure, still january and this is the most retarded thing i ever read all the year.
The critic can be copied, the game is different
+BUDA20 i think fallout 4 at least introduced a couple things that actually added some more fun fluff to the game, but overall i certainly agree.
+Pedro Henrique Skyrim was boring, Fallout 4 is pure cancer
*Finally, an N'wah who apprecite our work. We still might be friends.*
Oh, look a Telvanni spy!
N'word? That's racist.
@@APPEALtoFEAR We’re Dunmer, bitch.
@@RanisAthrys Negative, I am a meat popsicle
@@APPEALtoFEAR Fuck you Korben Dallas.
In Morrowind, you are used and are told to pretend to be this legendary hero in order to get the people's attention. You aren't this predestined hero of prophecy, you become that hero. You realize you're the hero because of the things you do. In Skyrim, it's all based off "destiny" where everything you do is "destiny" and "fate".
+SuffuFFaffiss I think one thing that drives this home in Skyrim is that every one calls you Dragonborn basically off the bat. You didn't earn any one's respect, they're just like "OH DRAGONBORN" and bow their heads. You had to earn the right to be called Nerevarine in Morrowind. Once you are, you're like "Damn right I deserve to be called Nerevarine. Do you know how many cliff racers I've killed?"
So once you're called Nerevarine you feel as though you earned it. With every one calling you Dragonborn all the time you basically feel like it's your privelege. Also you never lose in Skyrim, it's always win win win. In Morrowind you lose, like a lot. So you know you've earned the mantle.
Yeah, like in morrowind i had a feelling that i`m going through the main quest and then it turns out i`m not the Neveravine, after which the real Nerevarine pops up and i have to be his servant or something and help him reach his true potential
+SuffuFFaffiss What do you mean you weren't the predestined hero of prophecy? There was no pretending. There was no earning. You are truly Nerevar's incarnate. The moon-and-star proved that. This was all Azura doing. You were the Nerevarine the moment you were born.
Lakeya Cooley You weren't told you were the nerevarine, you became it through your actions.
+SuffuFFaffiss You were the Nerevarine all along but didn't know it at the time. The Blades wanted you to pretend at first, but it turned out you were truly Nerevar Incarnate after all. You were the destined hero that Azura prophesized. Now, you really had to prove it. You did not "complete the trials and so you became the Nerevarine." Rather, you "completed the trials because you were destined to, as the Nerevarine." If you were just some random hero, who wasn't really Nerevar, but trying to fit the prophesy through actions alone, you would have died in the Cavern of Incarnate with all the other false Incarnate.
By the way this conversation makes me want to play again. Morrowind storyline feels much more creative than Oblivion and Skyrim.
I think the most limiting decision for making TES games more story intensive is full voice acting. In Morrowind, the writers could pull all their resources in just writing stuff. They could go over several iterations of trying out how the story fits together and rewrite entire parts at any point of the development process. With voice acting you have to keep in mind that every line will cost the project and once recorded there is little room for changing things. Also, if all the monologues and chats from the Morrowind NPCs where to be voice acted, the average player would soon loose patience. You can skip parts of the chat reading as you see fit. If you are a fast reader, you can control the pace of the information.
I don't think Bethesda will go back to written dialogues for obvious reasons.
Witcher 3?
Not Bethesda
"once recorded there is little room for changing things"
*gets flashbacks that infamous line from Oblivion where she repeats the line*
I don't disagree with you, but it's too good to not mention.
Someone beat me to it but, The Witcher 3. Also Mass Effect 1 and 2. Mostly 2.
Mournhold! City of light. City of magic.
Seen any... Elves? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
like sweet honey
Selas the name, shells the game!
By the three, my rights and duties...
Why does everyone have to pick on the little guy?
The birthday kazoo killed me lmfao
The Nerevarine would kick the Dragonborne's ass.
+irllcd13 Dagoth ur would rip the soul of Alduin!
+irllcd13 There's a mod for Skyrim called Moon & Star where you meet the Nerevarine. My level 60 character decked out in good armor and enchantments can barely put a dent in his health before he cuts me down. So you're right, actually.
+irllcd13
Considering the fact that I became literally invincible in Morrowind, with 100% resistance to everything (including normal weapons through Sanctuary effect), optional 100% spell reflect, while also being able to fly and shoot magic that cut through resistances...without even touching Alchemy or Enchanting...yeah, I'd say any Dragonborn I played would be beyond screwed.
Shmandalf I played that mod with my light armor, dual wield dagger warrior level 29 and i fucking kicked Nerevarine's ass in Legendary difficulty. He barely hitted me. The trick is to have great skill in: hitting, dodging and counterattacking. Then you win every combat. It's all tecnique.
Hey no one remembers the hero of kvatch? That one who saved Tamriel, became sheogorath, killed Mannimarco and Umaril, became a holy knigh, master of all guilds and adalid of the 16 Daedra? (and much more)
Okay no one remember him. Poor hero of kvatch :(
if they remade Morrowind, i would play the shit out of that
a group of modders is basically doing just that remaking morrowind in skyrims engine look at the tesrenewal website and look for skywind
And I have high fears for that project. If it's like Morrowind, but with modern features, like Radiant AI, crime system etc., I'd be fine paying for it. If it's just Skyrim with a better story, I'll pass.
I think skyblivion will be ok though.
From what I've heard it's a note-for-note recreation of Morrowind, just in the engine used to create Skyrim. If that's true, it's literally just a the most hardcore remastered version of the original ever.
*****
Dude, they know its happening and are totally fine with it.
"Wide as the sea, deep as a bucket."
Try a puddle.
Ocean of content with the depth of a mudpuddle.
+Dan Slash skyrims story isn't that bare bones. I would say that it gets shallow at some points but then it really lives up to certain things. It's not no mans sky for crying out loud
seth filginouski we are talking about it lacking dome rpg elements and how its system was dumbed down for casuals
Dan Slash same can be said for Morrowind
“Deep as an ocean, but about as pretty as a deep ocean”
Honestly, Soule's soundtrack makes these games so much more deep than they actually are. His music is like it's own character in the Elder Scrolls series.
Morrowind should be Remastered.
***** what you mean by that?
***** I seen it but I don't get the Morrowind feel , I'm talking about a Real remastered Morrowind like Skyrim is getting now on Xbox One and ps4 , not mixing Skyrim and Morrowind together with mods.
It can't be remastered, it'll have to be remade completely to meet the ever growing standards of the fans
What if you want the dialogue voice acted?
tanker9987 all I want is the graphics and gameplay enhanced like Skyrim got recent but I know it's not going to happen.
TES V: Skyrim
They should have called it
TES V: Postman simulator. 90% of what you do in this game is fetch and deliver stuff.
la dodgers 4 lifeThere's a brazilian music parody, which changes the original musical to something like "Dovahkiin , Dovahkiin the postman. Your post, it will deliver, without being late" It actually sounds good in portuguese.
Lol I don't speak Portuguese but I will have to check the video anyway.
la dodgers 4 life ....LOOOOL
la dodgers 4 life play dragon age inquisition
la dodgers 4 life Really? 90% of what I did was murder people.
. . . I probably shouldn't be a postman.
Point on directions in Morrowind.
1 persons dialogue is not always correct. Best to ask around to get as many details as possible. I asked about a dungeon, NPC gave a list of flawless directions then said "at the path by the lack, go North East."
I went from the lake all around the northeast corner around it, 3 hours I searched.
The dungeon was sitting, beside the lake on the right side of a road that pointed north and VAGUELY pointed northeast further up.
TenesAsylum Yeah, I hate to admit it but I had to use the wiki to find out where these places were.
I remember this exact scenario...Was excruciating! Never spent more time on a game's wiki than I did with Morrowind. Purely for directions!! haha like the Dwemer puzzle box. Couldn't find it without a wiki on my first play through. Yeah, directions were tough but then the more you played the more you understood the world around you and it felt pretty gratifying to eventually not even need the map, let alone a wiki page.
???
I just had this problem 1x.
Classic Punabi.
@@Transgender-ProphetMohammed Episch.
Every time I hear Morrowind mentioned I want to reinstall it and build my collection of soul gems in an abandoned house I found somewhere all over again.
My favorite Game!
Morrowind: squatting simulator! :D
Just go in some random dudes house and murder him without anyone noticing.. and take his place.. @_@ No one will know!
Ok real talk
Who else took out the tax collector's killer in Seyda Neen and then used his shack as your armor dumping grounds
Hlaalo Manor is the one true storage unit.
I killed Ra'Virr in Balmora with every character i ever played. Loved that house.
I have zero clue as to why but my favorite thing to do was to get a random house and fill it to the brim with all manner of candles
I was excited over Skyrim at first. I really like the enviroment and all the snow.
Then I noticed that the melee combat kinda... has no weight or impact and well didn't like it much. But it's ok, sneaking is still fun... even when you have to pump 6 arrows to guy's face to kill him. Kinda dissapointing too...
Anyhows, the biggest problem I have with the game. Is the fact that you are not given a proper choice of things. Why can't you refuse the werewolf-gift? I didn't want to be a werewolf, I'd rather rat them out to the Yarl than be one. Can't even do that, it's either werewolf or walk away and leave these characters into this cave for the rest of their lives. There are few other examples I could post. But yeah, the quests aren't that great.
Exploring was fun... for awhile. So I stopped playing, as there was almost nothing but the enviroments I enjoyed in it.
The decision to not let the player completely deny quests in Skyrim has to be one of the most unfortunate design decisions made in the whole game. Even if you don't want to do quests, it clutters up your to-do list with WAY too much stuff!
Super Bunnyhop
I agree. Plus it takes away from making your character part of the world. You can't make proper decissions for your character, so you feel like someone who is just following a script or something and not an actual person living there or something.
I have 3 more examples of this... but I'm too tired to type them atm. Going to get some sleep so I can work tommorrow again. :)
You would probably prefer it on an easier difficulty. I play on very easy because I like killing people with one arrow to the chest.
Shane Barry
Yeah propably.
+SuperArppis By trying to find an in game solution to tell Molag Bal he could go f himself, I accidentally did exactly what he wanted, because it turns out the only other option was to pretend nothing ever happened and ignore that quest log for the rest of your play through.
"At the beginning you had to have to take the bus. Like everyone else."
Anyone remember this quote from Todd Howard?
"There is an unlimited number of dragons. One of our designers actually put in a random event I encountered, where I ended up being chased by three dragons and I thought "who the hell did this?" I felt like Frodo in Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers and was really frightened. So I asked him to remove it."
Smh.
Morrowind had cliffracers though. The most popular mod in the game is removing them because you'd be chased for miles by these stupid dinosaurs that you couldn't even hit at low levels.
I know this is a while later, but do you have a reference for this quote?
when Morrowind came out way back in 2002, i was 10, my brother was 13. he bought it and we both read the case front to back, looked through the manual. and then... i saw it...... THE MAP... we unfolded it. i had never seen such a big and beautiful video game map and i absolutely had to see this world. i have always loved maps. just like our family holidays my brother gave me the honourable task as the navigator. (meaning, he bought it so he gets first go) but i didn't mind. because i was just so excited to explore this map. it was actually a lot of fun. while he was playing i was giving directions and familiarising myself with the map. my brother has always gotten his left and rights mixed so its funny as hell giving him directions too. and then sometimes we worked together to figure out what the hell you are supposed to do on some of the missions. i enjoyed that time with my brother so much that i never played it more than 10 hours myself. i also wasn't the best reader so all the dialog turned me away a little. i was used to not having to read what every person says from all my fave N64 games.
Morrowind is wrapped up in so much nostalgia, this video clears some things up for me. and no that i'm an adult who loves reading. when i get a decent enough pc i'm definitely going to install it. navigator and helmsman this time! :)
then oblivion came out. which introduced many new things, npc's have there own lives and routines. can actually see mountains in the distance. and of course the physics engine. i think we all remember the chain in the prison cell. and the bucket tied to a rope in the well. and when you shoot an arrow into it, it recoils back and hangs on its side as the arrow ways that side down. my friend stole every single book he could find and put them all in the little shack you can buy. 360 couldnt handle that too well. rolling heaps of cheese wheels down the hill, walking on watermelons floating in a lake and my personal favourite... placing baskets over shop keepers heads then stealing ALL THAT DARDY SHIT. truly breath taking stuff back then.
+Benjy Bro Seems about right. Oblivion also presented the most latent opportunities for modders. Morrowind's engine is simple(yet stable) while skyrim's engine is limited(movement speed/jump height is a nightmare when working around modern rendering techniques) and was shipped underdeveloped. Oblivion struck a nice mid ground
I think this is something Bethesda did better even in Fallout 3, deciding to make the story more personal and private. You're not the ultimate badass who is destined to bring life back to the wasteland, you're some schmuck who emerged from the ground completely befuddled by the world around him. You're some doofus looking for his dad, someone with a small personal story, who keeps getting involved in other people's small personal stories and who ends up making a big impact on the world almost by accident, stumbling dick-first into a much bigger scheme that he was supposed to have no part in whatsoever. It was pretty classy, in retrospect, which is a lot to say of Bethesda, masters of schlock.
i f@cking agree well said !
Gordon Graham Yes, like all bethesda affairs it falls apart as soon as you scratch the surface (or in some cases, the surface already stinks, like the trainwreck that is Oblivion), but at least Fallout 3 embraces the self-interested and cynical atmosphere of the series by making it about a character with his own reason to run around and shoot people in the dick, surrounded by people who really want to be left alone and run around shooting people in the dick. No Professor Xavier coming up to you and going oh boy, you're the hero of legend, what the hell are you even doing in jail!
Yeah it shows Bethesda are rip-offs who copy-pasted Fallout 1.
Joshua Graham Please. It was a respectful homage to the series. [sarcasm]
***** Not... really? Fallout 1 didn't really have a personal story, you character wasn't even a character, his sole reason to leave the vault is "welp the water filter's fucked, please go fetch another one" and the rest is crazy hijinks in the wasteland
I'll never forget the first time I was dicking around in Balmora, only to be confronted by a dreamer. It was such a simple experience, but something about it stuck and made the main events feel urgent and present.
Also, I remember being yelled at by Caius Cosades for not having the package (I sold it to Arrille for some elven vodka or something), and the wording of his speech reminded me almost exactly of that distinct feeling of being blasted in a military setting. So I walked my bitch ass back to Seyda Neen and bought it from Arrille for twice the price that I sold it to him, and Shitbag Stu took the package back to Caius and went on to fulfill the Nerevarine Prophecy.
In Skyrim, nobody blasts you for anything. Their voices are so tame and the words are simple. In Morrowind, I have a feeling that if the game had more voice acting, they would have made Caius scream at you, and they would have made the Dreamers sound really creepy and deranged, and so on. In Skyrim, you can show up to an Imperial Legion muster completely naked. In Morrowind, they make you put on your shitty standard-issue chain mail, and you better like it. You can still go off your own way and fight in your fancy Gucci armor though.
The more videos I watch by you, the more I´m impressed of the depth of analysis you subject every game to. You seem to examine every aspect of a game, make coherent points about them and finally give solid arguments for these points.
You don´t find that very often for sure.
+Jeremy J. Watch MrBTongue's Elder Scrolls VI video. Its very interesting.
Hemang Chauhan Never heard of MrBTongue :-| is he affiliated with Super bunnyhop?
Jeremy J. No he's not
But check him out on UA-cam, he has a separate channel.
+Jeremy J. That's basically what every video game review is supposed to be.
Jack Heathen ... but we all know that that isn´t the case :(
Personally I found Oblivion's main story a lot more interesting and engaging than Skyrim's which bored me to shit.
Alain Rodriguez I don't think any of the Elder Scrolls game are particularly good mechanically speaking, Skyrim was decent but its hybrid leveling system and blegh combat killed it for me.
***** lol... in Oblivion everybody looked like having a down syndrome. And the main story? First travel to realm of Oblivion is interesting, but after closing millions of gates it's really boring.
John Edgar Mir It kept me engaged for most of it even if the middle half where you've got to keep closing Oblivion gates for every region to get military support did get annoying. Especially with some of the backwards ass level design they used for some of them.
John Edgar Mir You can literally get through the entire game closing like 3 of them, they're a side objective with some loot, that's it. If you want to you can close the ones for another side quest near the end of the game and they all come with their own little stories as well. Complaining about Oblivion due to that would be like saying that Skyrim is bad because of the Dragon fights, which unlike Oblivion you are forced to do most of the time.
The games graphics were a massive leap from Morrowinds, and due to limitations at the time of development, i.e. releasing for the xbox 360 without knowing the specs, graphics took the hit but even today it's graphics hold up and you can mod the people to look better. It had better writing and far better quests than Skyrim, and sadly for Skyrim no mod can fix it's dreary depressing world.
ProierThanYou One thing I didn't like about Oblivion was that when you complete the main quest, the gates all close; which sucks since you can't get the sigil stones after that, which make enchanting really easy if you are low level still.
The success of Morrowind pretty much saved Bethesda, and then they went about abandoning most things that made Morrowind great. And now, in 2019, after Fallout 76, you can see where did that lead. The games got so mainstream, shallow, unimaginative, lacking difficulty and innovation that Bethesda pretty much lost its reputation, and gamers turned to studios like CD Project to deliver actual value. I'm not even looking forward anymore to another Elder Scrolls game. :( Btw, I never actually finished the main quest in Morrowind, but still I spent a ton of time in it, and it's one of my favorite games of all time.
Beautifully said. Hopefully they do TES6 Right, otherwise WE RIOT
Also I'm pretty sure that Skyrim mods will be of great influence in the making of TES6.
No way Skyrim isn’t unimaginative. They still try to make high tier rpgs but they go at it in a much more tangible angle rather than classical rpg stats and restrictions.
I don’t understand how people think Skyrim is bad. People complain about shallowness but the entire series is shallow. TES has always been quantity over quality. They’re praised for their scope.
Oblivion took a some of morrowinds mechanics and polished them and made them main stream, and you can’t blame them for it as main stream sells they can’t keep making games that don’t sell a whole lot, now I hope now that the elder scrolls name is known tes6 will be more rpg
I consider Witcher 3 to be a mainstream rpg as well...it succeeded because of a strong and emotional narrative, fancy graphics of current gen hardware, easy hand holding approach to combat, so called love triangle, sex scenes...
considering the fact that you're stuck with a linear storyline... Can't explore all the places from the very start... Can't join to different factions... Can't use different combat mechanics.. Stats system is way too simple and not vast enough... Shallow open world...
@@COHOFSohamSengupta What you say is a very biased and very inaccurate statement. Let me explain you. First, you can't compare for example Skyrim to The Witcher 3, because even though both games are "open world" and "rpg" they are night and day. In Skyrim you are a nameless hero, the exploration is in the first place, side quests and fractions, because you are a "no one" you can do anything, you have your own morals, the people around you are not well detailed, because it would destroy the game exploration mechanics, the fighting system also based on free choice. In the other hand in The Witcher 3 you are Geralt, you role playe as Geralt and he has his own morals, you can't kill anybody random on the game, because Geralt's moral code doesn't allow it. The story is much better than Skyrim's and the story is in the first place, even the main side quests branching from the main story or from a side quest you can reach the main story. The characters well developed, some of them had relationship with Geralt, Geralt lives in the world where you play for almost a 100 years. Geralt has his own fighting style, because he is a Witcher and of course you can't make a Witcher to a Wizard this is the basic lore of the game. I didn't want to write more about it, I think you understand that how different the two game. Personally I love both of them, different experience, very different.
This is all true, but there is one MAJOR factor that decides whether Morrowind is truly better than Skyrim's vast modern world.
Cliff Racers.
Thank the Divines for Saint Jiub.
FUCKING CLIFF RACERS.
I still have nightmares...
Theres also one to make them disappear completely. Take that fuckers!
FUCKING CLIFF RACERS
I actually didn't enjoy skyrim as much as I did oblivion.
Agreed. Oblivion is in an entirely different camp of game design in my opinion. A lot of morrowind fans prefer Skyrim to Oblivion because it's a lot more like Morrowind, but as this video shows it's just a cheap, shallow imitation of it instead of a different game. Skyrim + Morrowind are exploration focused games where the content is in the fields, forrests, and dungeons. Oblivion is a game where characters and stories are the content. The focus is on the AI that is absent from both Skyrim and Morrowind. You get to feel and understand the relationships of the people in the settlements because the side quests usually deal with those sorts of things rather than be fetch quests or dungeon crawls like a lot of Morrowind side quests and ALL of Skyrim's are. Oblivion is filled to the brim with handwritten stories about characters that move and live in the world like you do; all of the guilds, shrines, and town and city quests are the best of the best, and the main quest is one of the most easily ignored in the entire series. Oblivion also had the best combat in my opinion, keeping some of the depth from morrowind in melee and magic (while losing far too much, I would admit) without completely devolving into senseless M1 spam like Skyrim did. The music is also objectively the best, that one I just can't fathom anyone countering
Except when I am with Martin when Dagon shows up accidentally hit a guard and get the "Stop! You have broken the law pay the court a fine or serve your sentence! Then Pay with your blood!" then I get to watch Martin fight Dagon while fending every guard in the imperial city.
Same for me with oblivion and Morrowind. Skyrim was fun though.
Finally oblivion being given some credit. It’s one of the greatest games of all time IMO
@@dontpokethebear3893 I...don't see how Skyrim is anything like Morrowind. It lacks virtually everything that makes Morrowind great
In Skyrim gaining recognition from the dragons at the end of the game would've been awesome, like if they called you "thuri" and instead of just attacking you all the time they would be passive but you could instead challenge them to combat with a shout to take their souls if you still needed dragon souls.
Yeah, and also have dragon riding actually work like mounts instead of just glorified fast travel framing devices
Balgruuf told me to get to High Hrothgar "immediately" while I was level 6
So at level 44 I finally got myself up there after becoming harbinger and archmage :D
NO_FUN_ALLOWED slow.
The issue is that with each passing iteration of both The Elder Scrolls and Fallout games, Bethesda is leaning toward a more casual audience. The amount of mechanical depth that was present in Morrowind was completely lost on Skyrim. Skills are shrinking, alchemy and enchanting are getting weaker, weapon and armor archetypes are disappearing, even class making is straight up GONE. In Fallout 4, you don't even have the option to be a bad guy and the 4 speech options are all essentially illusions of choice. THIS IS NOT ROLE PLAYING BETHESDA!!!
Bethesda's games are becoming glorified open world action games. The RPG elements are dying people!!! I can only hope this terrible trend of making the games simpler and less player involved will turn around, but with the way the gaming industry is going, I don't believe it will.
It's not just the mechanical depth. They're also dumbing down lore.
why the fuck is jet all over the commonwealth if it was invented AFTER the war by some kid out west, and so couldnt possibly be in an UNEXPLORED ruin
If you have enough jet in fallout 4 you can finish the game without any perk, any kind of crafting, buying, on survival, that`s too overpowered
+Greenaid Gelal
mate, didn't you know? The solution to all of life's problems is simply getting fucking zonked on the hardest shit you can find.
Morrowind's combat system was awful
I love skyrim, but no game has ever pulled me into it's world like morrowind did. I clocked over 5,000 hours in morrowind, and i still haven't seen everything in the game. After a couple hundred hours in skyrim, there is literally nothing new left for me to discover. I love both games, but morrowind is truly one of a kind.
I may be wrong, but I feel like the games nowdays are all about the graphics and easy gameplay. Back in the time Morrowind came out it was much harder to impress gamers with graphics, so developers had to concentrate on the gameplay and storylines. Look at games like Heroes of Might and Magic 3 or Hearts of Iron or classical point-and-click games, for example - poor graphics, but incredibly detailed story lines and very complex mathematical combat systems. Gaming industry still wasn't such a huge business so sometimes we had to wait A LOT for a new really great game to be released. Now there's too much money involved, the competition on the market has become more fierce, graphics are generally incredible so no one bothers with story lines anymore, and there's plenty of amazing games to play, so it's like developers are afraid to make games which require too much effort to finish because few people are going to bother with that when they can always just pick another game.
You managed to make a perfect analysis of the gaming industry in a single comment xD
Graphics probably played a part, but I think it wasn't until 2004 and especially Doom 3 + Far Cry 1 when the industry started flaunting graphics as selling points. I dont remember there being much complaints about San Andreas in 2004 when it looked worse than Vice City, since the gameplay mechanics trumped the visuals. Nowadays graphics sell games, it seems.
"Will you be a douchebag or a cool dude?" Sounds like Mass Effect
As for the topic at hand: You are 100% right, my dear Mr. Bunnyhop. Skyrim is a fine game, but it's simply not in the same league as Morrowind.
Another strong point for the latter title, in my opinion, is how utterly _alien_ Vvardenfell feels. I don't think I've ever seen a more compelling, imaginative Fantasy world in any RPG - hell, probably in any _video game_, period. It's definitely a far cry from the same old, High Fantasy Tolkien-aping that dominates the genre so completely.
And which seems to have dominated Cyrodiil and also Skyrim to some extent. TES would have been much better off had it gone for other provinces of Tamriel after Morrowind.
It's not as good as Morrowind but to say it's not in the same league is just retarded. Skyrim was a masterpiece. Not to many games made today can hold my attention for more then a couple hours before I figure out it's not that great. Skyrim was intresting and fun from the minute I started to 250 hours later.
The thing is that if you read the old pocket guides Cyrodiil was this weird Roman-Ming society with a complex cultural division in the Amazon jungle years before Oblivion, the change is entirely on that game's developers. The deeper points of Elder Scrolls canon are fucking weird. The moons are an illusion by the human mind to perceive the rotting infinite corpse of a god floating around the planet, the wood elves have cannibal orgies, there's hyper intelligent trees...
InnerPartisan It doesn't fail in any of those things. It's only you and this guys opinion. You are in a very small minority of people with those opinions.
@@alexbonifacio4004 ever heard of subjective tastes??
Well, Skyrim got playable after modding it to its breaking point.
...and the questlines are still shit. Dammit, Oblivion was better there, and that's saying something.
At least their dungeons are tolerable.
Skyrim was made for the main stream and Morrowind was made for people who love to RolePlay.
And Fallout : New Vegas was made for both. It's not hard in terms of mechanics, But in terms of roleplaying - you can be anyone, and do whatever you want.
The veriaty of playstyles in morrowind is far greater than in skyrim. There are many different ways to play magic builds in morrowind, where as there is only a couple in skyrim.
I recently played an enchantment based build, and it was not only viable, but a hell of a lot of fun. You wind up collecting amulets and rings to put every spell on them. Since the enchanted items recharge over time, it doesn't rely on your magicka pool. You can also instantly cast when using a magic item. I made rings that blasted targets with damage, and could spam them like I was Darth Sidius. If I know what sorts of enemies I am facing I can load up with the exact counters I need. I could summon whole armies by enchanting each ring or amulet to do a summon.
An emergant quest of my build presented itself to me. I wanted to make a magic item that would prevent fall damage, without me having to cast. I had an amulet that allowed me to jump really high, and I had the boots of blinding speed so I could go far with it too... the problem was that I would die from fall damage. So I knew that golden saints would give me the soul I needed for a constant effect enchantment. I went and traveled the lands looking for a scroll to summon a golden Saint, and eventually found it. Then I discovered that golden saints could beat me, so I gathered the supplies to make all new equipment to counter it, and even a small army of lesser summons. I set up a ritual site and had a bloody battle with the creature, and died twice before beating her. Finally, I has its soul, and was able to make my enchanted belt, which had a 1 point feather fall effect. It would let me fall normally but without fall damage.
Thus I was now equipped to leap mountains in a single bound. I *earned* that, and it was a hell of a lot of fun.
To me it's what you've mentioned about the Dragonborn being "born" to be the big hero, while the Nerevarine isn't exactly.
In Morrowind you may or may not be the chosen one and you learn that many others have walked that path of the "chosen one" before you only to fail. You start out no more impressive than most other people, but through your adventurers you become stronger. If you join a guild they don't care about you supposedly being the reincarnaton of someone, you have to work your way up, you have to go through the ranks, do the quests, show the skills and stats and everything. At the end when you're a badass you feel like you've earned it with your own virtual sweat and blood.
Now in Skyrim on the other hand there's no mistake, you're the chosen one, the Dragonborn, you have an innate power that is rarely seen and there's a big prophecy describing your destiny. So far so good, even if destinity/fate stuff is really old and tacky these days. But then it turns out you're also the ultimate mary sue and the chosen one of absolutely every guild you even glance at! You get chosen by the Psijic Order, you get to be the Listener, you get to be in the super secret thieves club, you find the cure for lycantrophy, you you you. Your destiny is to fight a dragon and win or loose, that's it... why are you the chosen one of every other faction?
And you join a guild, do a few quests and then get catapulted to guild leader or something similar. When I became Archmage the first time I didn't even knew any spells outside of the initial firespark-thingy.
I never really felt like I've accomplished something in Skyrim, everything was handed to me on a golden diamond encrusted plate. Nobody else could've done what I did because I was always the chosen one.
totally agree about the game is boring, although i do disagree about oblivion being boring, I loved most of the quests there.
"Will you help me find my lost jumbo potatoes?"
***** I never liked the imperial city, but loved the other towns.
***** I liked the arena...even though on some matches I'd turn down the difficulty all the way 😂😂. Im actually playing the game currently. Now i just need to get morrowind.
I felt guilty till I kicked the adoring fan off the top of a tall mountain ;)
+Rara D. When i had the adoring fan he died when i was doing a quest, respawned a few days later, then magically disappeared.
I'll never forget Oblivion, my introduction to the Elder Scrolls series.
I played Morrowind for years, hours on end even. I explored, did random quest, searched for powerful weapons and learned tricks to not die. After a few years I finally decided it was time to do the mainquest, which by the way was a brand new adventure in and of itself. Also, let me tell you kids something, there is nothing more terrifying than encountering a Greater bonewalker.
I can't play Skyrim for extended times because it is just boring. Exploring skyrim just isn't the same.. and there are tooooo many enemies that level with. In morrowind you would enter a dungeon and get destroyed because you're not ready and lets not even talk about how they butchered Magic in Skyrim...
Finally, someone put into words what kept me from enjoying Skyrim. I'm exaggerating here, but I really felt like I was playing a world-exploring-simulator instead of an RPG, because the exploration was the only fun I had in the game... and that wore of after about 30 hours.
Personally the RPG bits held it back to me. I loved exploring and the lore, but every time I killed a guy and felt contracted to open the loot screen, dig through his pockets, dig through my own pockets, and constantly feel paranoid on weight and inventory values, and stop to stare at sword and armor numbers all the time it really bothered me. I'm not really sure how this would change or if it would still bug me in the past games, but It all got so worn out, dull, and felt like it totally killed any sense of wonder or enthusiasm to go forward in Skyrim. That and the lazy dungeon designs. Its still an awesome game though and I plan on re-buying it on steam in the future (currently have just the PS3 version), but it just contradicted itself by offering you a wide open and potential world only to slap you in the face with a feeling of forced inconveniences that just got tedious.
@Vokoca I'm not getting the impression that your grievances with Skyrim are in fact the same as the ones from the video...
jgunner280 I solved that with some immersive roleplaying, myself - I tried to carry what was realistic for my character, like, a sword, a dagger, maybe a quiver, and whatever looked like it could fit in whatever pockets I had at the time.
Now I want to play Morrowind again... DAMN YOU!
Just downloaded OpenMW today again lol.
Funny i did as well. I've always had troubles getting into it but i've been on OpenMW the past few days. Its been really fun after getting used to its janky controls, I'm using my head in ways i've not used for videogames in years, before the lack of a waypoint screwed me also but they really do give you decent directions, seems like a game that would help you're memory.
I need help, I'm a skyrim fan and have never played morrowind, and there's people making it sound bad but also people making it sound so good, but when I tried fallout newvegas because of that very reason I couldn't get into it and put it down after a month.
SkingieDee you’re just not made for true rpg elements. Because morrowind and fallout new Vegas feel more like an rpg than game like Skyrim and fallout 4, and you don’t like either. it’s not your fault though
I haven't even talked to the greybeards and I've been playing for 80 hrs
They'll put some RO DAH in your FUS.
Whales 4 Life 70 hours in and i still havent talked to the Jarl in Whiterun about the dragon
don't do it they make you shout at some stones for like 30mins after you take another 30min climbing their fucking mountain and give you some shitty shouts you'll probably never use.
I was level 80 before I set foot in Riverwood.
Arthur I got to level 150 before escaping Helgen.
"You better get up High Hrothgar immediately..."
Hey relax, guy! Dovahkin'll go up the mountain when Dovahkin's ready to go up the mountain...
It's not about "good" or "bad", it's about the target demographic.
Morrowind is meant for grown-ups. The world is strange and imaginative, the plot is sharp and full of politics and the gameplay leaves you more freedom.
Oblivion and Skyrim have a more generic and "epic" plot because they're meant for a younger target.
and yet I started playing Morrowind as an 12 year old and enjoyed the shit out of it ;)
lallalallalalla The problem lies not in the targeted audience, but in the developers expectations of its targeted audience. A young person can enjoy Morrowind's plot and themes.
The game devs have a bad case of "Viewers Are Morons" tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ViewersAreMorons
One could also add that Morrowind has interesting antagonists: Dagoth Ur and his Sixth House. I know that canonically he is a villain, but the forbidden texts found in Vivec make him so much more interesting a character. (Kinda reminds me of the Master from the first Fallout game.)
Let it be known that you can literally fly in morrowind. It was the coolest shit when I used a levitate spell to get to the rock floating above vivec city, or even to find hidden artifacts in caves. That was another thing I miss, the artifacts you found actually FELT like they were these powerful artifacts. Not just some piece of gear with higher than usual enchantment.
Am I the only person that likes oblivion the most....?
Yes.
No, and I think it would be interesting to put up a comparison to it as well as the other two.
One thing I liked about it is that in terms of its main story, you were NOT the reincarnated God person. In fact, you were just some random prison escapee who was only tangentially related to the God-Hero who saved the world from destruction. Granted, you ultimately contributed to the event quite a lot by discovering how to close the gates and being key in several large battles and everything, but... at the end of the day you were just some guy/girl who helped another guy save the world.
It made a lot more sense when you just randomly disappeared off into the woods for a few months to mess up some mudcrabs and if you did bad things... well, you're not the hero anyway. Of course it was flawed to hell and back, but I think it stands as a valid take on the series.
No, it's my favorite as well. Although I haven't officially started Morrowind yet, so I guess that's yet to be decided.
I think it is the weakest of the 3 modern games, Due to a couple of reasons. 1st is atmosphere and terrain. It's atmosphere and terrain feel like going through a field and wood in Europe to me, and that isn't good in comparisson to Morrowind where the terrain is mostly volcanic rocks and deserts and mountains, or skyrim where the terrain i northern or frozen.
Other reason is the level adjust. It's one of the worst design flaws you could imagine. As:
A) It circumvents the feeling of power that comes from leveling up and getting cool gear.
B) It breaks any sort of immersion when you see bandits in daedric armour running around.
Yes.
I think you summed it all up in the fact that Skyrim's main quest just farts in the general direction of Morthal and Falkreath and lets fast travel take care of the rest. It also makes your second stop at a settlement one of the most useful cities in the game (Whiterun) similarly to how Oblivion made the biggest city in the game available to you as soon as you turned around after the tutorial.
Not only does Morrowind start you out in the middle of backwater-bumblefuck-nowhere because you start as a backwater-bumblefuck-nobody, it directs you to bigger things gradually. If you have the spine to walk to Balmora, you'll come across Hla Oad which is just a tiny fishing village where you'll see different guards, then stop off in Pelagiad which introduces you to some factions, before finally arriving in Balmora, probably by carefully making your way down a cliffside before admiring the first bustling city.
And when you finally do make it to Vivec, the main quest sends you on a pilgrimage to go explore different parts of the world. Morrowind actually takes pride in Vvardenfell and encourages you to see and savour it, Skyrim's too busy giggling at the fact it has 'dragons and stuff'.
Skyrim. " See that cave. Go in. Kill the rat."
Oblivion. "Sharkeydogath the third said there was a cave out of town. People were complaining about rats coming from it. So I should go kill them."
Morrowind. "Some guys name I can't remember told me of a cave 2 miles away. It was infested with disease carrying rats. He said I should go south of town. I'll see a sign. Turn west and go over the bridge. Then look for a pink mushroom tree. Go north east here. If you miss it, you'll get to far off track. And die by cliff racers. After that, you'll see 5 caves. The one with 3 rocks that are exactly 2in in diameter is the cave I must go in."
HEck yeah dude the days when the game wants us to FUCKING explore!!
I Have the same feeling for Skyrim that I have for GTA 5. I loved GTA 4 because of the story-lines and the interesting characters. And GTA:San Andreas because I could mess around in a sandbox. GTA 5 and Skyrim had worlds I just wanted to live and explore in without caring so much about the stories and the characters.
***** Eh? GTA 5's main protagonists are woefully awful compared to GTA 4. Not to mention unrelatable.
***** So? A game could have a great story and can still be fun. Is Bioshock not fun, just because its gray and has a good story? Also, GTA IV is hardly realistic. Graphics being gray and brown=/=realism (does your eyes only perceive brown and gray? no? Thought so). The gunplay is unrealistic, the driving is clunky, but not realistic, the character models don't look that realistic. In fact I can say that GTA V's world looks way much more realistic than GTA IV, due to it having more colors, better character models, and more realistic lighting effects and water.
Actually, if you ignore fast travel, the world of skyrim gets a whole lot bigger and more interesting. And that's the shame of it.
There's a lot going on in Skyrim and most people missed all of it.
Even the civil war would have been a better main quest if they focused on that aspect.
Instead of making you the hero to end all heroes. Just make you see through the control of one side.
It changes who you see where. It changes the influence of certain parties. It even changes enemy types.
Dragonborn DLC had a much better main quest, where again, what you do changes the experience of the island.
The main quest of the starting game, is just forgettable.
Lee LouviereDragonborn had a better questline because it was in solstheim, part of morrowind, so it had to have a good storyline. Dunmer are refined people, nords are barbarians. That's my logical explanation to the dwindling of the storylines. I just hope that the next one is in Summerset isles.
Really wasn't it obvious that i was being sarcastic?
Ignoring that, both Oblivion and Skyrim were set in human environments and could had been better. And i do really hope Summerset Isles is the place for TES 6 possibly with the Thalmor as a faction, or even maybe , a gameplay there with a questline leading to the fall of the Thalmor? It would be interesting.
Lee Louviere
I honestly tried not using the fast travel in Skyrim initially and quickly got bored, the strange amount of frequent monster encounters on roads pushed the tedium to absolutely unbearable. And I think a problem of this is because most of the Skyrim quests send you clear across the game world and I ended up using the fast travel and limiting it to holds, I ended up being a lot less bored because it seemed like this is how the game was designed. Quests given in one hold skip you clear across to another hold's territory no matter how arbitrary the quest is.
And this is very unfortunate because it starts to erode the game world logic, Skyrim, Cyrodiil and Vvardenfell are represented as a microcosm of their actual "lore" sizes. So when the the Thieves guild has me doing a small burglary in Solitude it is in game lore wise like planning a burglary in Maryland to rob a shop keeper in Ontario. This is in contrast to the quests in Morrowind and Oblivion which often limit their quests to city and region of the quest giver. Only the biggest of quests have you going clear cut across the world. This also starts to show the logic of why each city in Morrowind and Oblivion has their own local Guild house rather than Skyrim where their Guilds are only located in a single city each.
Well, I've been playing Morrowind for a while now and I can tell you, it is MUCH smaller than Skyrim. At least as far as the foot travels.
I can be clear across the map in short time.
Lee Louviere Okay, I did it. I beat a half of the game without fast traveling. It was.. meh. Not much changes. The only change is it took fucking hours. In Morrowind they had enemies that challenged you along the way. The only enemies I see on the road are like wolves. So easy and boring. Skyrim also had constant stops where villages were, at which you can resupply on arrows, potions, repairs, etc. Morrowind really made it feel like an adventure where you had to restock where you were at a town because there wasn't going to be another town for about 500 miles or something like that. You had to conserve what you had on the journey because it was a long way. For Skyrim I used things constantly. Potions I thought I could use anytime because there was another stop at like 10 minutes or so. Morrowind I felt like potions and stuff had lots of value.
I've been a pretty big fan of this series since Daggerfall. I put hundreds of hours into Daggerfall, Morrowind and Oblivion. Hundreds per game, that is.
Skyrim was probably the most disappointed I've ever been with a game. Skyrim was a game where, at its core, the gameplay was "follow an arrow and fight the enemies." Everything else did itself. The story was boring and rushed. Oblivion had a similarly boring main quest, but its guilds were extremely compelling and it still had fun skills like speed and acrobatics that allowed for a far greater variety of character builds.
Morrowind was just so tops. The world felt truly interesting and alien; you felt like a stranger in a strange land. The game didn't explain itself to you and hold your hand; you felt weak and confused at the beginning, which is what you should've felt. You had to learn cultural norms and navigation within the world.
+brainwarts Glad someone else understands how I feel about Skyrim and just how lazy Bethesda has become when creating their games.
+TyranusRex721 not lazy its just no sane person would buy a game nowdays that is like morrowind extremly repetitive and annoying that you have to follow directions every single time it gets annoying quickly
+Mario Malekovic I think the success of dark and demons souls would beg to differ, they have a lot in common with morrwind when it comes to their accessibility. The main difference is that the souls games combat is more immediately grabbing and understandable.
I still play Morrowind to this day occasionally after 13 years of owning it. I still haven't completed all the faction questlines.
+Shmandalf
This game series may be the best example there is of proving that nostalgia isn't always the reason why like the newer less.
Right now, in 2016, when I feel like playing some TES, there is never any doubt, I install Morrowind with a good visual overhaul and get on with it. It's just that much of a difference in the overall quality of the game.
I feel the same way about the main quests. I have been playing Skyrim since its release, and I have way more nostalgia with Skyrim than Morrowind. I started playing Morrowind in 2015. I'm Skyrim, I always avoided the main quest like the plague because it's so dull, but in Morrowind I actually enjoyed the main quest almost above all else. I also love how Morrowind goes out of it's way to let you know that you are a nobody, a weakling Outlander who always gets killed by mud crabs. Through blood, sweat and tears, you must gain the trust of the people and prove that you are a hero, incarnated or not.
"Morrorwind did more with less" that sums it up nicely. Morrorwind took advantage of its limitations for immersion purposes, Skyrim tried very hard (and failed) to dissasiociate itself from them.
Holy shit, the ignorance in the comment section is ridiculous. Never knew there was a Skyrim vs Oblivion vs Morrowind fanboy war going on. As many negative and true statements the maker of this video made about Skyrim, many of them could also be said about Morrowind.
Why can't one just love all of these 3 Elder Scrolls game without bitching about why one is better than the other? They were all great games, and NONE of them were perfect and don't deserve to be revered the way you fanboys are favoring a single game.
If you read carefully most people can, its just that some people like something better and would see them implemented in the next game. I really think you are seeing ghosts here, many people who prefer morrowind also likes skyrim. It just that they, that is to say we, hate it when you remove the best parts of a certain game from the sequel games.
TheAlwaysannoyed And what would these so called best parts be?
AmirianoAvenicci
1. Much better writing, 2.genuine exploration during quests (lack of quest markers, better quest system, so on), 3.powerful unique items, 4. more guild requirements and ranks (including longer and more difficult quests), more interesting cultures, 5. better level scaling (practically no level scaling that is), 6. better and more challenging puzzles (especially during non main quests), 7. spellmaking, 8. better fast travel system (best thing would be a hardcore mode so morrowind fans had to rely on magic teleportation and carts, while new players could rely on current system), 9. more faction diplomacy (It wasn't that great in morrowind I admit, but at least you could get it to work. People didn't like you if you joined guilds they didn't like), 10. Better diplomacy and mystery quests (in skyrim its very easy to solve a murder quest, in morrowind its more of a challenge),
I could go on, but you already saw the video.
Really I like skyrim, its not just a good game its a great game. But its great due to its surface, not as an rpg. I don't understand why you people are so eager to have every game declared equal, why is it so wrong to want skyrim to be an actual improvement...
TheAlwaysannoyed Valid points, I will admit I did not play Morrowind entirely so I missed out on a lot but let me give my 2 cents on some of your points.
1. Idk if you mean writing as in plot or as in dialogue. Better writing in dialogue sure, but that's because they didn't have to spend the money voice acting which many people would like along side the writing. If you meant plot then I suppose so because quests were deeper perhaps.
2. I forgot whether or not quest markers can be turned off so I won't say anything yet.
3. I personally haven't got a hold of much other than the Boots of Blinding Speed, Umbra, and an amulet that has a pretty decent chameleon enchantment.
5. From what I've seen, there are certain places that indeed level scale.
I will admit, somethings like spellmaking or a hardcore mode would have been cool for skyrim. I can't say anything about the other points because again I haven't played Morrowind nearly as much as I've played Skyrim and Oblivion. I honestly just hate the traveling system. Quest markers I could live without, I agree with you in that it adds to the immersion but the means of traveling just gets sooo repetitive and time consuming.
This is not really the place to discuss it, the video was supposed to that. I don't want to say any more because I think I made my point about this being more than just nostalgia.
One thing though. You could turn of quest markers in skyrim by making hud transparent (i play that way), but because skyrim expects you to use quest markers it does not give you any directions, so unless you have the place on your map its actually harder than morrowind.
Complicated/Depth > Simplification/No Depth
*Morrowind*: Pros - Slow paced allowing tons of freedom to the player to choose what they want without feeling rushed. Tons and tons of lore and politics, something the other games lack. Cons - NPCs outside of conversations feel lifeless. A game that doesn't age well, whereas Oblivion and Skyrim still look amazing even years later.
*Oblivion*: Pros - By far has the best chain story lines (main, dark brotherhood, thieves), NPCs feel lifelike with a full 24/7 schedule. Cons - Environment variety, Oblivion gates becoming stale after entering the 5th one, dialogue is hilariously bad at times.
*Skyrim*: Pros - Best outer world environment (dungeons/caves on the otherhand... are like Oblivion and stale). A huge world to explore. Skill trees! Cons - Anti-clamatic ending, far to many fetch quests, no choice to decline a quest. Overly simplified, a 5 yr old can pick up this game and beat it, none of the quests require you to dig deep into the lore/game to be able to complete a puzzle/quest.
To compare Oblivion to Skyrims NPCs daily reutines.. on average a Oblivion NPC has 5-6 activities, whereas in Skyrim a average NPC has only 3 activities.
Here's a example of the NPC schedule in Oblivion of Nahsi, a member of Bravil Fighters Guild.
She sleeps on the third floor every night between midnight and 6am. After waking up, she heads for the ground floor and spends the morning wandering around. At noon she equips her leather armor and heads down into the basement to improve her blade skills on the practice dummy. She returns to the ground floor at 3pm and spends three hours chatting with Tadrose Helas and Vincent Galien before she finally takes a seat at the dinner table at 6pm. At 8pm she gets up and spends the rest of the evening on the ground floor, until midnight, when she returns to the third floor and her bed. She will offer training at all times, except when eating, sleeping or training in the basement.
In Skyrim they are given a basic generic NPC schedule, every NPC has 1. Sleep, 2. Eat, 3. One random pastime (reading, training, walking about, or job/work). Very generic compared to Oblivion where every NPC is given their own unique schedule.
mafiabrett Best analysis of NPC design I've seen in awhile, thanks for pointing this out.
mafiabrett I think Oblivion had the best guild quests, which is funny because I think the concepts of the guilds in Morrowind are better, Morag Tong and Telvanii are just plain cool for example, but Oblivion's main quest was just the most generic shit.
Fetch things for Sean Bean so he can stop generic demon invasion. Oh, and you kill Zod at some point, who was a pretty standard, mad cultist who sounds smart guy, who the player never develops a strong antagonistic view towards, he's just kind of there.
Oblivin looks beautiful? It doesn't. This game aged in a worst possible way, characters are ugly af and the whole world feels plastic. Unbelieveble cycles of NPCs, except... It doesn't really matter, they are all boring anyway. Main story sucks, DB questline was a good one tho. Also, those awesome random dialogues, which destroyed immersion by being cringy and just wierd. The whole world was boring, generic, western, high fantasy shit. In lore stated in pervious games Cyrodil was supposed to be a fucking jungle. They never even cared to officialy say what happend, they just changed so it could appeal to a wider playerbase. Oblivion was the worst. And yes, Morrowind feels kinda lifless outside of conversations but it is a game from 2002, and complex AI cycles are heavy on processor and memory and in 2002 it was almost impossible to make gigantic open world with complex "live-like" AI due to technical limitations. Gothic around the same time did some nice AI stuff but it's world was much much smaller and the whole game was much less complex.
Wayamaya Bay "Ugh, really dude?" Sensitive about graphics? Especially when the best TES in my opinion is Morriwind... The problem with Oblivion are not shaders or textures, it is super generic art direction, awful design and horrible writing. Sure, there is more of RPG in Oblivion than in Skyrim, but it doesn't make Oblivion better. And Skyrim sucks too. TBH Bethesda made only one game, that was worth attention and it was third installment in TES series.
jezyooor nostalgic whiner much?
One big thing for me was magic going from playing a bomber plane in morrowind to look mom two hands in skyrim
As an Elder Scrolls veteran, Skyrim is my favourite game in the series. That said, I absolutely agree with you in regards to its main questline, the story and pacing did drag and it wasn't until Dawnguard that I began to get invested in a main storyling, albeit a DLC one.
Morrowind is brilliant though and I seriously adore its storyline more than any other Elder Scrolls story.
*HERECY*
As in "I played Daggerfall first" veteran?
Adam Frisk Played Morrowind first, then went back and played Daggerfall.
@StinkyPirates you are the only person in history to say they loved Skyrim VR best. Basically seems like you just hated that Morrowind made you work for success. The skills were much better developed than successor games, but again you actually had to put thought into it. NPC dialog in Skyrim is boring and repetitive AND often irrelevant and awkward. Combat isn't broken in Morrowind. Again you have to work for it. And no one in history has ever suggested that any terrain in Morrowind was similar to the Mushroom Kingdom.
Morrowind: You are a God-King!
Skyrim: Go get 20 rare plants for me.
I suppose you'r referring to the "A Return To Your Roots" quest? That's just one quest. This comparison doesn't make any sense.
Skyrim: You are the master of Tu’um!
Morrowind: Deliver this 20 bottles of sujamma to glass mine
There is a gather Nirnroot side quest in each of the Elder Scrolls games.
@@knightarnaud I know i'm like 11 months late and I made this comment 2 years ago but I was just referring to the fact that most quests in Skyrim are just filler content
@@UmmmmmUhhhhh Wrong
When writing is based around verbal storytelling over written storytelling you will always lose depth. Morrowind is a video game book that you're writing while Skyrim is a Michael Bay movie. In a game like Morrowind, the developer has the creative luxury of fleshing out multitudes of player/NPC interactions and rich storytelling without the restriction of hiring voice actors and programmers for believable open ended verbal dialoge implementation. The latter is obviously more difficult than we realize since the amount of awkward dialogue in Skyrim is noticeable to say the least. With Morrowind, like a book, you're filling in nearly every NPCs voice with your mind. This allows the developer to exposition much more elaborately than they would be able to if they were constrained, ultimately, by the voice acting budget.
Classic movie vs book experience difference. For me, I want the UI and visuals of Skyrim (or better hopefully) with the predominantly text based storytelling of Morrowind.
exactly why dwarf fortress is best fortress
I like the jrpg approach, where they just voice the main story, important lines, and gameplay lines like attack names, taking damage, and greetings and stuff. They still allow you to read further conversations that are not voiced if you want to, but those are rarely required reading. If you are into the story, it's there for you to enjoy, but if not, you can skip it.
Actually there is no ambiguity to whether you're truly the Nerevarine or not. The obvious proof would be The Moon and Star ring which kills anyone wearing it who is not Nerevarine. Also the events are divinely orchestrated by Azura who had prophesized that Nerevarine would come to take her revenge. She also tells you "fear not for I'm watchful" indicating that she does indeed have a hand in this.
Hasan Özuğurlu
The ring isn't any sort of proof at all. It actually doesn't kill the wearer, try it with an NPC.
The Fatalist Well, it is in the lore. It's probably just a dev oversight but you can never know with the way TES lore works. But it probably is that.
I'm fairly certain that it indeed is an oversight. But the thought of you not actually being the Nerevarine, but merely fulfilling the prophecies through a chain of unlikely coincidences and hard work is rather intriguing. But then again, maybe there is no difference at this point.
Anyway, we all have our headcanon, to a greater or lesser degree, but I'm fairly certain that there is some ambiguity to the whole thing. And even if the devs intended it one way, it's nothing more but their opinion at this point, as with any artist and artwork.
The Fatalist Whether you're born the Nerevarine or if you shape yourself into the Nerevarine is the ambiguous part. You fulfill every prophecy in ways that any mortal could.
The ring not killing NPCs is likely a Dev oversight, but the fact that it doesn't kill you could easily mean it recognizes you as the Nerevarine, not that you were born the Nerevarine.
There were other failed Incarnates instead of the one and only perfect chosen one. Azura probably told everyone of them her crap about them being chosen, but they died along the way and she had to look up for next possible Incarnations. When asked by Dagoth Ur about our identity we can say anything, which keeps all options open, because in the end it doesn't matter as long as job gets done. Hero can be a direct incarnation of Nerevar, or just one in a million random guy who nailed all the prophecy requirements, was skillful, resourceful and somehow didn't get himself killed.
"is there really a difference between being called Nerevarine and being Nerevarine? Or walking the path of Nerevarine and being Nerevarine? Morrowind asks this kind of questions."
I destroyed my game experience listening to the main-plot NSCs in Skyrim.
I just didn't know that your are _not_ under time pressure and rushed this quest as told, thinking "What a wonderful world. When is this drag finally over so I can explore everything, join a guild, do crafting or go into a dungeon without getting penalties for taking my time."
i always think this when i play a videogame: no timer = no rush
There actually IS a mod that adds over 100 more interesting, better written, better voiced NPCs to the game, complete with questlines associated.
That is an excellent mod. It's also over 3GB last I checked - and when you have a small download limit (60GB), that's a lot. It also doesn't change any existing NPCs. Conversely, LGNPC for Morrowind doesn't add any new NPCs, but what it does do (add new conversation topics and a few quests to the existing NPCs) it does very well. And is only a few MB for the whole lot.
You summed up how I feel about Morrowind better than I could. It's not perfect, but doing everything just feels so fun eventually, even if it isn't convenient or "epic". Oblivion and Skyrim both try to make you feel part of something grand, Morrowind is your journey, and everything depends on you whenever you damn well feel like doing it. I just wish I could join up with Dagoth Ur and wreck shit without mods, even if you aren't really the nerevarine reincarnated I feel guilty when I kill him.
Nerevar reincarnated I meant.
In a way I see killing him as a mercy killing... maybe it's just me... but simply was not himself anymore... he was crazed with power and in the end cared more for himself than others... Still at one point I wished for a mod where you could actually change him and his ways, or join him, or defeat him. Great game either way!
Gabriel ManH
think the game that best managed that was Mass Effect (which was a good twist especially given it was set-up beforehand and didn't come in like a Deus ex Machina)
The fact that you have to walk to the Urshilaku camps made them feel extremely isolated and cut off from civilization, a people in exile . They were a remote settlement only accessible by a long trek through desert canyons patrolled by Cliffracers and blinding sandstorms .
I always felt the way we completed the prophecies made it feel more mystic and supernatural. It gave a much different sense of what it means to be a reincarnated god king than most games try to accomplish and also made it feel very mythological.
I don't know, morrowind was so much more immersive than the others. Having to open your journal to re-read the directions an NPC gave you, or being 300+ hours in and reading your journal from page 1 was great. No fast traveling around, and getting lost trying to make it to a town or quest location. Exploring was dangerous but so interesting and rewarding. Combat was awful but it never mattered much because you were just sucked into this wide open world. I get that it's not for everyone but morrowind was definitely one of my favorite gaming moments
I should reinstall Morrowind.
KaletheQuick yeah
KaletheQuick
Yes...yes you should.
You can grab it on steam, or just pirate it.
:)
@rupinder kaur So you're 12? Wooow! This world really got some chances! I was 12 when I first played Morrowind :) I enjoyed this game a lot and I'm still playing it from time to time. Now I'm 27.
So, anyone else do the Skyrim main quest, and wrap up the civil war, and then... kinda honestly get surprised and upset when the civil war was never actually resolved? Like, "oh yeah, king. We'll just.., deal with it later. Whatever. Did you hear about this tenth Red Eagle sword that just spawned?"
Morrowind remains staunchly my favorite in the series, and not just out of nostalgia- I recently replayed it. The depth of the skill and magic systems are something I didn't realize I missed until I did a side by side comparison.
R.I.P Mysticism school :'(
Mister.P unKnow and spears and throwing knives and mixable armor sets and truly deep spell creation and the ability to enchant paper to make your own scrolls and actually varied skill trees
and the ability to haggle prices the morrowind system was awesome :'( and the game not holding your hand in morrowind getting a daedric artifact is really hard and rewarding
but in skyrim because of the "everything scale with you" you can get a daedric artifact at level 3 and I don't personally feel like I accomplised something I mostly feel like my level 3 character is not worth having a daedric artifact at level 3 :'(
Mister.P unKnow yeah,the scaling system SUPER disincentivizes me from ever adventuring. I think, "There's no point in looking for artifacts, because if I wait for 20 mp levels, everything will just be better anyway," and in Morrowind you never knew what you were gonna find. Yeah their were spawn triggers I think, but the world felt more mysterious and less... videogame-y lol
yeah xD
Only 200 hours. That's pretty casual.
Richard Reuter 12 year old confirmed?
that 3 years bit got me like damn he really has no idea how long it'll be
Shoutout to Bethesda for finally starting development on TES 6 just a mere 5 years after the announcement teaser! 🎉🎉🎉
Right fucking on. Morrowind's nostalgia goggles were always unfounded for me at least because I always find a way to redownload it and start anew. Morrowind had this cohesiveness to every quest. The religion aspect is still some of the most complex writing I've seen for a game that based itself around that theme wholly.
Morrowind is the best Bethesda game.
You can clearly see the love it was poured to it
Hand crafted dungeons.
Hand placed loot to be discovered
Hand placed mobs to protect that loot.
A lot of books to read, and that add to the games lore.
A lot of quests that send you to different enigmatic places.
The way the npc's talk about the different regions and places and how some of them are feared.
and if you dare to explore you were rewarded with a great adventure.
Sure it was easier than dagerfall in some ways, BUT it had a middle ground between hardcore and casual.
.-Did you hear , some fool lost mentors ring in a tomb along the bitter coast or so they say.
This was said by one of the npc's on the first town Seyda neen, and the rumor is right, do some exploring on some of the tombs near that town and you will find it. it's a nice enchanted ring for mages.
This is one if NOT THE LAST game that Bethesda made with that old school feeling, not to mention, there was no laziness involved when making it.
Finding a relic/artifact in Morrowind actually felt like an accomplishment. Downside is you know where it is if you decide to start over.
12:36 That small sound effect added in just had me cringing with laughter xD
Let's be clear here: The Bethesda which made Skyrim isn't the Bethesda which made Morrowind or Oblivion. Many of those responsible for that classic had left, just like BioWare lost quite a few talented people after their Dragon Age Origins/Mass Effect/Knights of the Old Republic glory days. With new developers come new ideas and those ideas can result in very different games.
"Even though I barely played it..."
Play time 119 hours.
Huh, never thought of skyrim as boring. I felt something but I never would have guessed it was boring.
Here's what I'd do:
1. Install game
2. Install mods
3. Troubleshoot load order and mod conflicts
4. Begin game taking everything worth more then 5 gold.
5. Spend 15 to 20 hours doing that with some quests for shit to do.
6. Spend time off and on searching for more mods
7. Accumulate the best weapons, armor and more gold then I could shake a stick at.
8. Stop playing or start over.
Skyrim is so damned routine. I can go from weak to OP and rich in a matter of hours but none of it feels earned. It just feels like I'm going through the motions. Makes me realize that I had more fun with New Vegas...but then I'd need to do steps 1 through 4 plus 6 and thinking of that kills all hype to trek through the mojave again. Skyrim might be pretty. No, it IS pretty. But boring. And I hate morrowind's madlib dialog system that I'd never want to even bother touching it. Guess I'll just stick with fallout.
tbh im just pissed that they didnt remaster morrowind or oblivion instead of skyrim
yeah, why are they remastering skyrim anyway?
they already remastered it anyway. it was so console players could mod skyrim too.
CaDArts oh right ok thanks
They were already working on a next gen port, and Skyrim still had a larger fanbase compared to the previous games, so it makes sense.
Remastering those games would be insane. And, in some ways, pointless, since mods will do a better job than Bethesda would do.
I always knew that Morrowind was a big and awesome game, but 15 years ago i couldn't understand english enough because i was a scrublord..i still got the Morrowind+Tribunal box and never touched it since :(
install it and have fun brotha
"15 years ago i couldn't understand english enough because i was a scrublord" is that what non-english speakers are nowadays?
yesh, I can confirm myself :(
Quel he couldve been a kid. Every morrowind npc is an encyclopedia and most children dont have the patience to trudge through all that
Herman Toothrot same happened to me, it it made the world even more interesting to my dumb 11 year old ass.
The Morrowind world is far richer, and actually worth exploring as it wasn't built with random loot and thrown together with random cave building software. I was so excited to have Oblivion come out when I was a kid after playing Morrowind for hundreds of hours. Oblivion was cool until I realized there were very few personal touches and meaningful variation put into it compared to Morrowind. Each place felt like it had meaning and that there could be something new in Morrowind. Not so in Oblivion or Skyrim. All the same. Gets boring FAST. Oh, and the music was richer and more engaging in Morrowind. There was more communication in it. Oblivion simply felt like it was riding the coat tails of inspiration from Morrowind and Daggerfall without much real innovation or substance aside from the graphics. I am saying this entirely objectively. I simply want good, inspired well thought out games with a sense of actual mystery. There are very few of those any more.
I might have given morrowind a try if it didn't look like it came out in the 80s
@@RobertEdwinHouse9 mods
@@diamanteduul8084 too much work
@@RobertEdwinHouse9 Lol yeah too much work if you have the mental capacity/attention span of a dyslexic 6 year old. It's really not that difficult.
@@nickcrane8329 it's not difficult it's yust exhausting and takes too long
The first time I EVEN heard of an Elder Scrolls game was when the Xbox 360 just got released and Oblivion was just revealed at E3 (iirc). The trailer and the play demo at E3 literally got me hooked on the idea and COULDNT WAIT to get a Xbox 360 and Oblvilion when it finally released.
But that was almost 18 months away and I had NOTHING to do but wait for both the game and even getting the "next gen" system.
So what did I do.....???
I learned that there Obivilion was infact PART IV and that there was a previous game called The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowwind on the regular xbox. Welp, I never bought (a relatively) unknown game so quickly... and luckly for me, at the time the Game of the Year edition was available used at a local game store.
The game literally changed my perspective on what made a great game.... A GREAT GAME. Not since KOTOR 1 (and Shenmue 1 before that, and MGS1 BEFORE THAT) did a game revolitionize my concept of gaming so much.
Granted I was somewhat put off by the presentation of Morrowwind at the beginning.
*animation*(will never forget my reaction when I first saw the running animation for my character, lol)
*graphics* (actually it wasnt that bad at all but relative to ALL the games at the time of playing it.... it was barely average)
*no voiced dialog from NPCs* (GOD... have I turned a 180 on that concept since playing Morrowwind. I was always fine with a silent protag since you got more variety and much MORE dialog to "speak" but the NPC being silent took a while to adjust to)
*combat*(of course like everyone... it took a while for me to adjust to the NO HITS. But having played KOTOR years before, it wasnt really an issue and I actually come to love it in fact. More RPG-esqe)
But DAMN... after about roughly 7-15 hours playing the game... I was freaking HOOKED.
As you said in the video... the fact the MAIN QUEST encourage and often OUT RIGHT forced you to go off the beaten path and learn/level up/explore the world was the defining aspect of Morrowwind that made me an instant fan of the Elder Scrolls. The world literally felt AT MY FINGER TIPS... both in danger and adventure. I felt so much life from all the characters and creatures and even the weather that I couldnt believe there was a game of THIS scale and I never even HEARD OF IT til then.
The fact that it took the annoucment of Obvilion to learn of Morrowwind is the BEST thing Obilivion has ever did for me.... hahaha. After playing and evenutally... after many months of play.... beating the game. I was thristy for Obivilion to finally release.
Well....
Obivilion released... and it was a good game.
But MAN.....
Beside presentation and graphics and having voiced NPCs.... Obilivion literally LACKED IN EVERYTHING in comparison to Morrowwind.
- Dont even get me started on the lack of Armor/Clothing/Outfit options or variety. That was the FIRST thing that took me back when I finally started playing Obivilion.
- Fast Travel seemed to be a REQUIREMENT. And I am never on to use fast travel in any game that has it; and unless game literally stops progress w/o fast travel... I dont fast travel. So having the missions rely on the fast travel mechnic was disheartening (of course this became an issue with Oblivion and future Bethesda installments).
- THE STORY SUCKED. My gawd... I could never have thought the oblivion gates and the WHOLE main quests would suck so much in comparison to the main quest line in Morrowwind. After the novelity of the Obilivion gates wore off (after the 7th random one I think) it became clear there was little to the idea behind them. It got to the point that I AVOIDED THEM for a good portion of the game.
- The lack of world building, discovery, and learning of new places. Granted that was ALL there and it was very good. And if I had happened to play Obivion first.. I would have been blown away. But having everything handed to you really took much of the wonder from the world. I dont even think I ever got lost AT ALL after the first few hours of playing Obivilion. Morrowwind was literally like disneyworld and I was a kid getting lost almost constantly... until WAAAAAY past the half point of my playtrhough. And I loved it.
- It seemed that the mindset behind Obivion (and sadly ALL the future installements by Bethesda) was to make it MORE CASUAL. Take all the "hardcore aspects" about Morrowwind and dumb it down/simplfiy it so it would be more APPEALING to a greater audience. This got more egregious with each sequel (both TES and FALLOUT... sans NV)... all the mechnics and were simplified or sometimes REMOVED to make it more "arcade like" to the casual gamer.
ALL that (and some I am sure I am forgetting) made me really appriciate how great Morrowwind truly was. I was excited and loved playing Oblivion but man... was it despressing when put beside what Morrowwind did.
You summed it up ALL perfectly Bunnyhop... Morrowwind was too good.
*note: apologies for the spelling/gammar errors. I'm pretty sure I misspelled Oblivion 7 different ways
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Yup... i remember telling my friend the same thing when when I beat Fallout 3
Yeah Morrowind is fantastic but... why do you wright it "Morrowwind"?
Miguel Pereira
bad habit. It wont be my last either
I personally like oblivion better. But its almost certainly because it was my first elder scrolls game. I can't stand skyrim, and I'm actually trying to get into morrowind. I think I'm on the brink of starting to like it,because I'm becoming very interested in all the different people and factions.
What if the next game will be in Blackmarsh? Or Elswyr? I dunno why, but Morrowind is the best place ever.
Oblivion looks normal, like a Generic human world.
Skyrim looks normal, like a generic Nordic world.
Morrowind, small but beautiful, like a fantasy world with a lot of giant mushroom and fantasy animals/creatures.
F*ck Dragons
+Ardhiansyah StillLoner Morrowind? Small? All that jazz was going only on Vvardenfell and we had just a glimpse of mainland Morrowind in Tribunal. And still, the world was bigger than Cyrodiil or Skyrim. And the fast travel kills it all, making these worlds even smaller.
+Ardhiansyah StillLoner I almost always go argonian So I would be happy playing around in blackmarsh something, something hist. We got ourselves a story.
Argonia is actually a good idea. Imagine if you play as Dunmer or Nord, the native will likely hate us(just like in Morrowind). Make the game more likely a BUild Up of your Character, unlike Skyrim where you already became Dovakhin in the first dragon fight and well known.
+Ardhiansyah StillLoner I'd rather have it take place in Morrowind. As in the mainland itself w/ Vaardenfell of course.
So many feels from the Morrowind footage and music. Such an incredible role-playing game. Possibly the purest 'role-playing' concept I have ever played. In Morrowind, I felt small, a tiny speck in a huge world. I the following Elder Scrolls games I felt an increasing attempt to make the player feel like the big boss of the world. I don't like that.
I played Skyrim before Morrowind, and I have to say, Skyrim hands me godhood wrapped in an e-z open pre-packaged rationed TV dinner de-luxe. Morrowind makes me feel like I refused to die just to spite death, lived off the land, ate things that would make a billy goat puke, ignored the weather, fulfilled the nerevarine prophesies, achieved CHIM, and mantled nerevar, becoming him, tricking the universe into thinking I am a god, and thereby becoming one.
The main story-line in Skyrim is outright terrible. I'm rarely as uninterested in a story as I was for that one.
Anyway, modern game design is to blame for the regression we've observed in games. As gaming became more mainstream it needed to appeal to more people. Mass appeal always comes with a regression in game complexity and/or difficulty, as they have to appeal to less intelligent and less motivated players.
We can not only observe this in Morrowind to Skyrim, but also from Fallout 1-2 to Fallout 3-4. The average intelligence and motivation level of the people who played Fallout 1 is greater than the average of those who played Fallout 4. If Fallout 4 was like Fallout 1 then many of those who saw FO4 to completion would actually have dropped it, finding it too boring, confusing, and difficult.
You see, it's douchebaggery like this that makes the Morrowind crowd seem downright cancerous at times. It's quite off putting. "The average intelligence and motivation level of those who played blah blah blah." What an asshole thing to say. Seriously.
LilyLaya It's true though. Mainstream anything must, by definition, appeal to a more general slice of the population.
When gaming was more of a niche hobby it attracted a certain type of person who, frankly, was above average in intelligence and committed to games despite of difficulty, complexity, and the lack of amazing graphics. The average person didn't have the time or desire to play these games.
+Marcus Antonius "who, frankly, was above average" yeah, no. This assumption right here makes you an elitist snob, and one of the worst kinds. A video game snob. Of all the things to be a snobby hipster about. Your statement isn't anymore "true" than me saying family doctors are of lower average intelligence than surgeons or radiologists. Different strokes for different folks. And, by the way, casual attitude doesn't denote how much intelligence you have AVAILABLE for the game. It doesn't even denote how much you're willing to put in. It just denotes the amount of time you're willing to spend in the game. Get off of your high horse. What video games you play don't say anything about how supposed "intelligent" you are.
LilyLaya Your analogy is terrible and your interpretation completely uncharitable. I'm talking about intelligence and personality traits.
How hard is it to understand that if you want to make something widely appealing then you have to adjust it in a downwards direction so that it is more accessible?
Next you'll be telling me that people who prefer pop music are, on average, just as intelligent as people who prefer classical. As if people who can appreciate more complex music aren't likely to be more intelligent than people who can't.
+Marcus Antonius You clearly don't understand intelligence. Just because someone listens to Bach or Shostakovich doesn't mean they're more intelligent than someone who listens to Rhianna. They have different tastes. Musical preference is in no way an indication of intelligence and neither is preferring Morrowind to Skyrim. Stop being an asshat.
Morrowind is one of my favorite games of all time. I played it so much back in the day, I still have the physical copy of the GOTY edition I bought in 2003. This video made me install the game again. The Elder Scrolls games got more and more successful but none of the newer games can touch Morrowind's story, writing, diverse world and exploration.
I liked Skyrim don't get me wrong, but I just felt it was such a hollow experience compared to Morrowind. This video explains why that is quite well.