Ranger did a trash job of explaining the courier. You literally just click the button. Thats it, don't worry about keybinds or anything, especially for a new player. Ranger out here making Nemesis look like a fool because he couldn't explain it in a simple or clear way.
Keybind for quickbuy + keybind for deliver. Thats all you need, dont make a new player try and control it. He didnt even explain how to buy items either. Left click to show recipe, shift left click to put in quick buy, right click to purchase. Simple
I played dota for like 4k hours and im emerald in league, so i have a lot of hatred inside of me, and i really love Doom ult because this is one of the best displays of hatred towards someone on the enemy team.
“Every spell seems so overloaded” i think that’s the point of having a balanced game lmao. Either everyone’s is spells are fucking doom bots or u end up having K’santes, Hweis and newer champs against Annies, Jaxs and older champs with basic kits. Dota balance is actually very well designed
@@ibrahim5463 no if you new, never watch guide or pro player GL stay in herald rank, dota is not a friendly beginner game you cannot learn to be good just by play blindly. also here is a few guide that i find good enough for people from LOL watch TZAR POTATO & for people that want to learn what mechanic in dota like pull etc watch ZQuixotix
@@ibrahim5463 no, dota is not like LOL or other moba. spamming only let you to know heroes skill worst case stuck at herald or guardian remember those rank almost always have player with 1k hour at dota. also here is a few youtuber that have good explanation for player that play LOL = TZAR POTATO for beginner mechanic = ZQuixotix is also pretty good. dota is not beginner friendly game and it will never be you need the basic
Why did you decided to stay in dota and what things you enjoy in dota more than league? -A dota player who is forced to play league cause it's what his friends prefer.
League brain lmao, skill shots are the only thing that comes to his mind when he sees heroes when many of dota's spells are complex in the fact that they have to be used in various situations, timings and orders. Spells are one thing, Map rotations, items, macro movement, visions etc are going to destroy him if all he cares are about skill shots
The reason he says this is because he considers “complex” league champions, the likes of Aphelios/Hwei/Azir, lower skill ceiling than skill-shot based champions the likes Syndra, Vel’koz, Xerath, Jayce etc. (see his champ difficulty tier list). Unfortunately “complex-kit” champions in LoL don’t have a good reputation among the pros. And those with high apm (like Twitch Kog) are always very overlooked in terms of difficulty.
@@MaxAveris I think you're overstepping a bit with those larger picture concepts "destroying him" if he focuses his attention on balance around skillshots. You're talking about a rank 1 higher elo Korean server mid laner, who's clowned professional teams with clear capacity in Fnatic multiple times. I'm sure Neme can adjust his existing astute knowledge of these pre-established concepts from League to Dota with relative ease in comparison to the average player.
your teacher is clueless about dota. u had nothing in your quickbuy and bought items and he kept insisting that wuickbuy makes the courier go buy items and deliver. which, none of that is true. you were better off without the teacher as you were making better decisions on your own 😂😂😂😂
6:41 gonna call doubt to whoever is coaching my guy here. Claimed he is high, i am smelling a 4k. Try pulling illusion plays without control groups. Or have better control in heroes requiring micro.
he said earlier he is not going to tell nemi about control groups because he will not be playing a character with summons lmao. ergo "those are useless for you do not worry about them"
You shouldn't worry about control groups when you're first starting Dota, even if you're experienced in other Mobas. I think the coach did a good job focusing on things that differentiate Dota from other mobas in the order of importance. Hero roles, Attributes, Map asymmetry, etc. I would've spent a moment just to have him look at how the courier works, and how you can move and control it like your hero, and it has it's own inventory, instead of telling what buttons to press to have the items come to you. In my experience, when teaching Dota to players from other mobas, it's useful to tell how and why things work the way they do, and have the players use their experience to figure it out. Like when you're teaching things you don't just tell the answer, you try to have them figure it out with your guidance.
@@Ukulisti You can just say forget about it now (referring to control grooups) and still save hotkeys for them instead of declaring them useless. It's like half assing things. Or the coach as i said doesnt know how important they are.
i didnt play dota in like 8 years but the courier management trigged me so hard, man just tell neme to press F5 and then F3 after he buys and thats it, he keeps moving the courier manually after pressing on F5
Me and my friends are low elo (used to be archon ish level, now sit in crusader - or silver/gold equivalent of the original ranking system) but we've taught a lot of people the game that have gone on to get higher elo than us. Our mechanical skills are not the best anymore and we play for fun, but genuinely any questions about UI/HUD and many other things can be answered by any elo - like setting a quick keybind to where deny just requires autoing your own minion, or stressing the importance of denies in lane. Nemesis is challenger - these concepts take 5 seconds to explain and once he gets shown where to go I believe id be safe to assume he knows about the more general principles of wave management from league that it will carry over. Played league since S1 myself and Dota since 2014 with around 5.8k hours. I have a lot of experience with both games, but I am just a casual player since ranked isn't good for my mental but its the only way to guarantee your role. In case you play in the future: 1. The difference between quickbuy and stash: Stash stores the items you purchase from your quickbuy, if you call your courier to you by pressing the hotkey for courier (i rebound all mine) and then W to bring it to you, it wil pick up the items in your stash to automatically run to you with them and give them to you, no extra effort needed Do it a few times and it becomes second nature within a single game. Just be careful, if your courier dies (2-3hits) then your items are delayed by i believe 2:30 until your courier respawns then travels all the way back to you again. No new items for that time unless you walk or tp to base 2. Congrats you always have Teleport - its just better on a 90s cd in this Dota for 100g. I think that's a way to stress the macro gameplay of Dota with its bigger map because its basically a requirement for everyone to have TP on them as much as possible off cd just in case they need to get to a fight across the map and don't want to spend literally 1:30 walking there. 3. Supports are generally incredibly poor and roam a lot more. It is so much more gold efficient for a Pos 4 soft support/roamer especially because gold income is much harder to come by (your creeps getting denied or just a bad counter matchup). There are many many heroes in Pos 4 that are built for roaming (mirana, earthshaker, earth spirit to name a few) and Pos 5 players have it even harder because they're expected to stay in lane more and stack camps, pull camps, set up wave management for pos 1, zone, ward, buy dust for invis, buy smoke for ganks - don't overstock or understock up on wards or you wont have vision when you need it etc. Now I love me some support in league, but I can honestly say its much harder to learn in Dota because there's a lot more macro you have to do with not a lot of explanations. 4. Positions are flexible - Terrorblade has been a well known hard farming late game carry for years now - and recently hes been seen more in pos 4/5 with a new Q max build based around slow and saving allies with your ult (details not important). There is a much wider range of viability for each role. If your pos 3 goes squishy offlaner then your pos 4/5 needs to be an initiator - and with some supports that is literally not possible - so offlaners or mid laners with cc and damage can fit into pos 4 in a pinch if they don't require expensive items to be viable. 5. Roles within Positions are flexible - some pos 1s like antimage farm for 40min and show up 6 slotted at the end of the game to dominate, while others like Drow/Meepo want to fight in early skirmishes with their cc and dominate into the mid game to hopefully close it out. Hero knowledge is 90% of the game - it dictates how you view the enemy team and your own. Sure they might lock in terrorblade, but if its pos 1/4/5 you have to play very differently into it and potentially change your pick. 6. Counter matchups are worse - There are heroes that are literally Anti-you (Antimage, duh). Wanna play a melee single target right click carry into Axe/Bristleback/Necrophos as a lane opponent? Nope. Its not a skill issue most of the time - the matchups are literally that bad if you are on equal footing. Counters are HARD counters in dota. Each game plays different. That's all I got off the top of my head :D. Sorry for rambling but this is one of my niche interests im excited about. Edit: Forgot one thing., High ground and Low ground was mentioned but I don't recall day and night differences being mentioned. Daytime Increases hero vision for all heroes except Nightstalker. Nighttime vision decreases the vision radius of all heroes with a few exceptions (Luna/Nightstalker) as well as heroes that can "force" daytime or nighttime for a set amount of time (Luna/Nightstalker for night - Phoenix for Day). This can make a huge difference as to WHEN in a game you can fight certain heroes - seemingly minor but it comes up a fair amount of times. Also one last silly thing: Everything is broken, nothing is balanced so it is...ironically balanced.
For a newcomer the easiest heroes while learning the general playstyle are probably Lich/Venge/Ogre/Undying in support role, Tide/Centaur for offlane, Lina/Queen for mid, Jugg/Drow for safe lane. Though Drow is a bit nuanced it would be the perfect gateway for a ranged carry playstyle. Once you get a general idea then you can look into strong laners like Viper/Razor and flash farmers like Luna/Gyro/Sven. Its very difficult to one trick/ two trick in Dota except for really unique heroes like Invoker/Meepo/Visage/Chen and NP(mainly because of how strong he has been recently) to some extent. As someone who has watched pro league for almost 5 years now there are a few parallels in Hero and Champion playstyles that are somewhat apparent. Main parallels would be Drow and Ashe, Lina and Syndra, AP leblanc and Queen. There are also parallels in abilities/ults like Destiny and Shadowstep/Haunt so once you discover these parallels it would become easier. One last thing to remember is TP scroll only has a 60 second cooldown and only 40 seconds if Boots of travel have been bought. Even though the map of Dota is much larger, this along with the newly added teleporters makes split pushing dangerous. Hopefully this would be useful for any new players wanting to try Dota 2.
I dont think support role is friendly to LoL players. The role has completely unfamiliar gameplay compared to LoL. Midlane seems more friendly because they're 1vs1, no need to pull and usually has outplay, offlane can be same because they fight a lot in mid game
i played dota for about 20 hours, i tested few heroes and i can say from my experience best/easiest and most of was Earthshaker/Sniper/Jugg/Tiny and Zeus, those 5 characters were most fun and pretty easy, especially Earthshaker, there's so many cool thing you can do with this champ, not only he provides a lot of utility, he can also oneshot whole enemy team
Many people told him to play a non-niche hero like Lina for a bit to learn items as she can build almost everything and work then after knowing what items do and seeing multiple enemies, he can expand who he plays playing new heroes every day is worst way for a game that's all about build diversity. I also don't get how he hasn't been told by his friend that Dota about stats (Int, Agi, Strength) and not dmg increase yet here we are with his friend telling him play whoever. If u know items, pulling and creep mechanics Dota becomes way easier to get into as some items legit fix the difficulty of some heroes. He how many days in and no one told him about rod yet lol
welcome to dota. hope you enjoy the game, and my only advice (which you probably already know) is to ignore toxic/griefer people. There's a mute function both for text and voice chat. Let them be toxic and just report them afterwards. Focusing on yourself is better than giving attention to those toxic players. 😊
Ranger is like that older brother that is forced to look after you. But he is also 28 living in the basement. He still tries to be cooler than you, but he just isn't,.. and it awkward. and they both just sit there eating their Ice cream,....
League player PoV: "There's no skillshots! Every hero is so easy!" Imagine a moba that is so mechanically easy, that the only way for skillful players to prove themselves is to hit skillshots. I am partly joking, but I suppose that's the main difference between the games. LoL's difficulty is presented in the way of skillshots and reaction time, whereas a good DotA player knows how to spend their resources effectively and rewards game knowledge. Basically knowledge and preparation VS individual skill. I prefer DotA, but both are good in different ways.
Windranger can play pos 1, 2, 3, 4. She's meta in all of these positions and she's easy to pick up. It's easy to figure out which items to build with her. Very strong last hitter. Very mobile. She can easily play the powerfarmer as well as easily play the roamer and fighter. And she has one of the longest attack ranges. When playing pos 4 she can go either utility build (more typical support) or more attack build so she's very flex. Since she is universal her damage scales with all items. I think she's the best hero to learn the game imo. Disagree about pos5 being useless shit. What happens in Dota is you have a huge amount of farm in the map, almost all supports have a skill to powerfarm lane creeps, and after coddling your pos 1 for the first 10 minutes the map opens up and you get free space where you can powerfarm. Usually one or two cores are in the jungle, two or one cores are in a lane farming with safety, your pos 4 also competing for your farm but they usually have spells that help them farming jungle more so they take less space farming lane. Pos 5 farms lane usually but some farm jungle too depending on their kit. The only exception is when the hero truly doesn't have one spell that can powerfarm even just the lane creeps, let alone jungle creeps. But that's like Disruptor only at this point, even Lion can powerfarm lane creeps. And Disruptor becomes mega op with just aghanim scepter so it balances out. Default Space key setting is putting camera on last (relevant) event, which is like a teamfight starts, tower is getting attacked, this kind of stuff, since the game didn't even start yet there was no relevant event and it defaulted to the very center of the map You can rebind alt key to something you press easily, I put it on space button. You can also go in keybinding settings and default press Q as toggle autocast and you can then set alt+Q to be a normal single cast of your spell S is better to cancel action, pressing hold won't stop certain spells and you might want to interrupt a spell. For example Windranger you might want to interrupt her ult because the enemy has activated blademail, hold won't do that Ember Spirit, Storm Spirit, Void Spirit, Puck, Queen of Pain, are the classic five very elusive mid heroes. Queen of Pain is the easiest of the lot and Puck the hardest. Pangolier somewhat fit the same shoes but less slippery more tanky, hard as much as Puck to play.
@@NemesisVods that's fire! Can't wait. Loved the way you were able to pick up all that information. Even for my mates it's sometimes difficult to explain new heroes to them
bro i have been playing the game for like 2 months and I could explain the carrier mechanics better then nemi coach its better to tell him all the mechanics then trial and error explain to him that there is a manual control mode and an auto pilot mode and you can pre buy sort of the item you want in the shop with SHIFT click and then you can QUICK BUY Those components etc repeat one of the most important things in the game efficient shop usage
Damn this guy sucks at explaining lol. Makes courier a lot more complicated than needed and he doesnt even explain how enhanced autos work and that alt q is just putting it on autocast
It's not true anymore, he doesn't have that passive that makes his spells do damage based on enemy hp. He only has lvl 20 talent that gives him Current HP based % damage on Q
@@egrassa1480 look at his ult description. It literally says flat 550dmg and under it it says 10% max hp as dmg. 🤦♂️ I'm not talking about his old passive (Static field, lol)... Also he has a talent that makes Arc lightning deal extra % dmg, but I'm talking about Zeus ult.
first time i played dota 1, i played queen of pain cos she was hot. i got my shit recked so hard lol. half the game i was asking people how i bought lumber :D
its different kind of "overloaded". In dota every hero is extremely unique and their complexity gives insane amount of strategic and mechanical freedom...while in lol its just copy of the same skillshot other heroes have but just made complex for the sake of being complex.
@@doommaker4000 idk, havent played DotA in ages and I was pretty good, just saying it's one of the reasons I left and many people leave. You literally had that with Grubby a few days ago :) Just super elitist community, not even talking about toxicity, idc that much about it
I really hope nemesis realizes dota is a much better game with greater complexity and much better community than league..I recently left LoL for dota after playing it since s1 mainly because of the community.
i mean you can just talk with them saying key objective words(like roshan, top, bot, mid and all that shit) if you really want to communicate @@itsgonnabeokay9341
sure ranger did a pretty bad job of explaining things, but expecting him to be a pro dota coach when hes literally just a challenger trynda player is kinda funny. all the comments saying "this coach sucks" are so goofy because bro is not a coach in the slightest, he just likes dota lmfao
@@Andy-xd5dj Dota heroes are not about skills, about "faker, what was that?", it's the skill to survive in combat as long as possible. That's why league players when come to dota always feel bored of the low mechanic heroes, but they don't understand the meaning of survival in combat is the real skill to win the fight. This game is ten thousand times better than league but it's just sad to see the hard of this game lead to many people don't want to play
PLEASE master this game its the GREATEST reward !!! 1 hero named INVOKER i spend months trying to master and did tutorial to land spells and BOY now i play it without effort and its extremely satisfying. GAME has alot to learn alot of depth and alot of ways to outsmart your enemy. DONT LET toxic players stop you focus only on your journey!
Funny he didn't read any spell and just spam click like a clown followed by his friend. Dota players can just play league and adapt easily while league players always frustrate when come to dota. I wonder why dota players call league is a kid game with better marketing
...how? how does it look terrible? Does dire side make you scared or something? Are you the type to look at classical painting of someone being killed and say "uhg this painting is so ugly"?
man between the bad teacher and the anxious student its so annoying :s
Ranger did a trash job of explaining the courier. You literally just click the button. Thats it, don't worry about keybinds or anything, especially for a new player. Ranger out here making Nemesis look like a fool because he couldn't explain it in a simple or clear way.
stopped watching after that part, i dont play dota, he cant explain for shit, what a dunce
Yeah just press the courier button and it opens up his UI then you can read his abilities (which are basically "buy" and "deliver") and click on them.
nah nemesis would want a keybind explanation
You can just hotkey the buy and delivery button and that's pretty much it.
Keybind for quickbuy + keybind for deliver. Thats all you need, dont make a new player try and control it. He didnt even explain how to buy items either. Left click to show recipe, shift left click to put in quick buy, right click to purchase. Simple
Watching you check out the heroes so quick was hilarious xD
bro the guy loses his patience so fast
as someone that’s been playing league for a year after a decade of dota, this is the best crossover
also i think nemesis is perfect for dota, bro plays league like a dota player
@@rakinmohammed9306 Rly? How come?
I played dota for like 4k hours and im emerald in league, so i have a lot of hatred inside of me, and i really love Doom ult because this is one of the best displays of hatred towards someone on the enemy team.
most sane moba enjoyer
Yep ulting a carry still makes me happy XD
Accurate
“Every spell seems so overloaded” i think that’s the point of having a balanced game lmao. Either everyone’s is spells are fucking doom bots or u end up having K’santes, Hweis and newer champs against Annies, Jaxs and older champs with basic kits. Dota balance is actually very well designed
True
You can't have an unbalanced game if everyone is overloaded
Funny you say Jax considering He blasts most champs new and old
o my god... this coach...
We love welcoming newcomers to Dota
that is so cap i was not welcome, but goddamn is it such a good game i can't go back to league.
Yeah, especially the russians are very welcoming
Fun to see you try out dota
Whoever is explaining to you dota is a bad teacher
rangerx is another challenger league player. his dota knowledge is limited.
@@famegut5677 well no wonder the way he explain the heroes is pretty awful
There is no good explenation for any moba games except just spaming game
@@ibrahim5463 no if you new, never watch guide or pro player GL stay in herald rank, dota is not a friendly beginner game you cannot learn to be good just by play blindly. also here is a few guide that i find good enough for people from LOL watch TZAR POTATO & for people that want to learn what mechanic in dota like pull etc watch ZQuixotix
@@ibrahim5463 no, dota is not like LOL or other moba. spamming only let you to know heroes skill worst case stuck at herald or guardian remember those rank almost always have player with 1k hour at dota. also here is a few youtuber that have good explanation for player that play LOL = TZAR POTATO for beginner mechanic = ZQuixotix is also pretty good. dota is not beginner friendly game and it will never be you need the basic
DAAAAAAMMMNNNN BANGER
I left league for dota myself and its always nice to see league players learn dota. I hope nemesis decides to stay
Why did you decided to stay in dota and what things you enjoy in dota more than league?
-A dota player who is forced to play league cause it's what his friends prefer.
@@stepbro2203coz dota free all hero hahaha that all 🤣
@@stepbro2203 2 supports instead od jungler, more interesting items, arcade games, macro game based complexity
I have a friend with 300 hrs on dota but we never play unrank/rank and only arcade games lmao@@jonaszkapucyn3346
@@stepbro2203for me personally its the items and late game lol
This coach lol. Didn't even tell him to enable the Aghanim's Shards and Scepters.
My profile is my reaction listening to the coach. So bad.
always remember this game is more time, and based on time, based in time I mean, time based
There's more to skill than skillshots
League brain lmao, skill shots are the only thing that comes to his mind when he sees heroes when many of dota's spells are complex in the fact that they have to be used in various situations, timings and orders. Spells are one thing, Map rotations, items, macro movement, visions etc are going to destroy him if all he cares are about skill shots
The reason he says this is because he considers “complex” league champions, the likes of Aphelios/Hwei/Azir, lower skill ceiling than skill-shot based champions the likes Syndra, Vel’koz, Xerath, Jayce etc. (see his champ difficulty tier list).
Unfortunately “complex-kit” champions in LoL don’t have a good reputation among the pros. And those with high apm (like Twitch Kog) are always very overlooked in terms of difficulty.
@@MaxAveris thank you
@@MaxAveris i'm sure it's going to destroy him when league has all of this PLUS skillshots and he's one of the best in that game
@@MaxAveris I think you're overstepping a bit with those larger picture concepts "destroying him" if he focuses his attention on balance around skillshots. You're talking about a rank 1 higher elo Korean server mid laner, who's clowned professional teams with clear capacity in Fnatic multiple times. I'm sure Neme can adjust his existing astute knowledge of these pre-established concepts from League to Dota with relative ease in comparison to the average player.
Play through the tutorial (broken into sections) for a more in-depth explanation or watch tzar potato's videos!
Nemesis leaving dragonlance in backpack felt lie a million years
goated vid!
Watching nemesis play shadow fiend feels so weird xd
Nice to see you are giving dota a chance, i also jumped from league to dota and i dont regret my decision, hope u stay lmao
your teacher is clueless about dota. u had nothing in your quickbuy and bought items and he kept insisting that wuickbuy makes the courier go buy items and deliver. which, none of that is true. you were better off without the teacher as you were making better decisions on your own 😂😂😂😂
Banger video
6:41 gonna call doubt to whoever is coaching my guy here. Claimed he is high, i am smelling a 4k. Try pulling illusion plays without control groups. Or have better control in heroes requiring micro.
he said earlier he is not going to tell nemi about control groups because he will not be playing a character with summons lmao. ergo "those are useless for you do not worry about them"
@@septemberstarlight9362Yeah no useless. Forget about them for now sure but he encouraged putting hotkeys on number keys.
You shouldn't worry about control groups when you're first starting Dota, even if you're experienced in other Mobas.
I think the coach did a good job focusing on things that differentiate Dota from other mobas in the order of importance. Hero roles, Attributes, Map asymmetry, etc.
I would've spent a moment just to have him look at how the courier works, and how you can move and control it like your hero, and it has it's own inventory, instead of telling what buttons to press to have the items come to you. In my experience, when teaching Dota to players from other mobas, it's useful to tell how and why things work the way they do, and have the players use their experience to figure it out. Like when you're teaching things you don't just tell the answer, you try to have them figure it out with your guidance.
@@Ukulisti You can just say forget about it now (referring to control grooups) and still save hotkeys for them instead of declaring them useless. It's like half assing things. Or the coach as i said doesnt know how important they are.
i didnt play dota in like 8 years but the courier management trigged me so hard, man just tell neme to press F5 and then F3 after he buys and thats it, he keeps moving the courier manually after pressing on F5
Im sorry, but that coach didn't do a very good job.
Me and my friends are low elo (used to be archon ish level, now sit in crusader - or silver/gold equivalent of the original ranking system) but we've taught a lot of people the game that have gone on to get higher elo than us. Our mechanical skills are not the best anymore and we play for fun, but genuinely any questions about UI/HUD and many other things can be answered by any elo - like setting a quick keybind to where deny just requires autoing your own minion, or stressing the importance of denies in lane. Nemesis is challenger - these concepts take 5 seconds to explain and once he gets shown where to go I believe id be safe to assume he knows about the more general principles of wave management from league that it will carry over. Played league since S1 myself and Dota since 2014 with around 5.8k hours. I have a lot of experience with both games, but I am just a casual player since ranked isn't good for my mental but its the only way to guarantee your role.
In case you play in the future:
1. The difference between quickbuy and stash: Stash stores the items you purchase from your quickbuy, if you call your courier to you by pressing the hotkey for courier (i rebound all mine) and then W to bring it to you, it wil pick up the items in your stash to automatically run to you with them and give them to you, no extra effort needed Do it a few times and it becomes second nature within a single game. Just be careful, if your courier dies (2-3hits) then your items are delayed by i believe 2:30 until your courier respawns then travels all the way back to you again. No new items for that time unless you walk or tp to base
2. Congrats you always have Teleport - its just better on a 90s cd in this Dota for 100g. I think that's a way to stress the macro gameplay of Dota with its bigger map because its basically a requirement for everyone to have TP on them as much as possible off cd just in case they need to get to a fight across the map and don't want to spend literally 1:30 walking there.
3. Supports are generally incredibly poor and roam a lot more. It is so much more gold efficient for a Pos 4 soft support/roamer especially because gold income is much harder to come by (your creeps getting denied or just a bad counter matchup). There are many many heroes in Pos 4 that are built for roaming (mirana, earthshaker, earth spirit to name a few) and Pos 5 players have it even harder because they're expected to stay in lane more and stack camps, pull camps, set up wave management for pos 1, zone, ward, buy dust for invis, buy smoke for ganks - don't overstock or understock up on wards or you wont have vision when you need it etc. Now I love me some support in league, but I can honestly say its much harder to learn in Dota because there's a lot more macro you have to do with not a lot of explanations.
4. Positions are flexible - Terrorblade has been a well known hard farming late game carry for years now - and recently hes been seen more in pos 4/5 with a new Q max build based around slow and saving allies with your ult (details not important). There is a much wider range of viability for each role. If your pos 3 goes squishy offlaner then your pos 4/5 needs to be an initiator - and with some supports that is literally not possible - so offlaners or mid laners with cc and damage can fit into pos 4 in a pinch if they don't require expensive items to be viable.
5. Roles within Positions are flexible - some pos 1s like antimage farm for 40min and show up 6 slotted at the end of the game to dominate, while others like Drow/Meepo want to fight in early skirmishes with their cc and dominate into the mid game to hopefully close it out. Hero knowledge is 90% of the game - it dictates how you view the enemy team and your own. Sure they might lock in terrorblade, but if its pos 1/4/5 you have to play very differently into it and potentially change your pick.
6. Counter matchups are worse - There are heroes that are literally Anti-you (Antimage, duh). Wanna play a melee single target right click carry into Axe/Bristleback/Necrophos as a lane opponent? Nope. Its not a skill issue most of the time - the matchups are literally that bad if you are on equal footing. Counters are HARD counters in dota. Each game plays different.
That's all I got off the top of my head :D. Sorry for rambling but this is one of my niche interests im excited about.
Edit: Forgot one thing.,
High ground and Low ground was mentioned but I don't recall day and night differences being mentioned. Daytime Increases hero vision for all heroes except Nightstalker. Nighttime vision decreases the vision radius of all heroes with a few exceptions (Luna/Nightstalker) as well as heroes that can "force" daytime or nighttime for a set amount of time (Luna/Nightstalker for night - Phoenix for Day). This can make a huge difference as to WHEN in a game you can fight certain heroes - seemingly minor but it comes up a fair amount of times.
Also one last silly thing: Everything is broken, nothing is balanced so it is...ironically balanced.
Rangerz pretty bad at coaching about courier usage and other simple stuff tbh
For a newcomer the easiest heroes while learning the general playstyle are probably Lich/Venge/Ogre/Undying in support role, Tide/Centaur for offlane, Lina/Queen for mid, Jugg/Drow for safe lane. Though Drow is a bit nuanced it would be the perfect gateway for a ranged carry playstyle. Once you get a general idea then you can look into strong laners like Viper/Razor and flash farmers like Luna/Gyro/Sven. Its very difficult to one trick/ two trick in Dota except for really unique heroes like Invoker/Meepo/Visage/Chen and NP(mainly because of how strong he has been recently) to some extent. As someone who has watched pro league for almost 5 years now there are a few parallels in Hero and Champion playstyles that are somewhat apparent. Main parallels would be Drow and Ashe, Lina and Syndra, AP leblanc and Queen. There are also parallels in abilities/ults like Destiny and Shadowstep/Haunt so once you discover these parallels it would become easier. One last thing to remember is TP scroll only has a 60 second cooldown and only 40 seconds if Boots of travel have been bought. Even though the map of Dota is much larger, this along with the newly added teleporters makes split pushing dangerous. Hopefully this would be useful for any new players wanting to try Dota 2.
Was a chen one trick for a while myself. Can confirm fun as hell - its never the same game. Always a different zoo
I dont think support role is friendly to LoL players. The role has completely unfamiliar gameplay compared to LoL. Midlane seems more friendly because they're 1vs1, no need to pull and usually has outplay, offlane can be same because they fight a lot in mid game
i played dota for about 20 hours, i tested few heroes and i can say from my experience best/easiest and most of was Earthshaker/Sniper/Jugg/Tiny and Zeus, those 5 characters were most fun and pretty easy, especially Earthshaker, there's so many cool thing you can do with this champ, not only he provides a lot of utility, he can also oneshot whole enemy team
Many people told him to play a non-niche hero like Lina for a bit to learn items as she can build almost everything and work then after knowing what items do and seeing multiple enemies, he can expand who he plays playing new heroes every day is worst way for a game that's all about build diversity.
I also don't get how he hasn't been told by his friend that Dota about stats (Int, Agi, Strength) and not dmg increase yet here we are with his friend telling him play whoever.
If u know items, pulling and creep mechanics Dota becomes way easier to get into as some items legit fix the difficulty of some heroes.
He how many days in and no one told him about rod yet lol
What does your teacher mean pos 5 is trash?! Pos 5 is the true carry of the game bro, the one that makes the game happen.
welcome to dota. hope you enjoy the game, and my only advice (which you probably already know) is to ignore toxic/griefer people.
There's a mute function both for text and voice chat. Let them be toxic and just report them afterwards. Focusing on yourself is better than giving attention to those toxic players. 😊
I REALLY want neme, drutt, elite and maybe 2 other league streamers to play 5mans till at least some rank in doto
Ranger is like that older brother that is forced to look after you. But he is also 28 living in the basement. He still tries to be cooler than you, but he just isn't,.. and it awkward. and they both just sit there eating their Ice cream,....
Nemesis grew up, as well.
coach dont know how runes spawn XD
5.5k mmr player btw XD (at least he says so)
he's prob higher rank than u though
@@monk7527 Probably not, i know people who are legit 1kmmr players and they know more about the game then this clown XD
@@aggroogre4857 in NA mabe, which is 2k in EU or 1k in Asia
@@DomnulSchmidt Oh, i didnt think about that, maybe you are right.
League player PoV: "There's no skillshots! Every hero is so easy!"
Imagine a moba that is so mechanically easy, that the only way for skillful players to prove themselves is to hit skillshots.
I am partly joking, but I suppose that's the main difference between the games. LoL's difficulty is presented in the way of skillshots and reaction time, whereas a good DotA player knows how to spend their resources effectively and rewards game knowledge.
Basically knowledge and preparation VS individual skill.
I prefer DotA, but both are good in different ways.
And here I thought League is a weird game as a new player XD
I started DOTA, I never even managed to buy a Hero lmao
the spells are simple but combine it with items its kinda hard
Windranger can play pos 1, 2, 3, 4. She's meta in all of these positions and she's easy to pick up. It's easy to figure out which items to build with her. Very strong last hitter. Very mobile. She can easily play the powerfarmer as well as easily play the roamer and fighter. And she has one of the longest attack ranges. When playing pos 4 she can go either utility build (more typical support) or more attack build so she's very flex. Since she is universal her damage scales with all items. I think she's the best hero to learn the game imo.
Disagree about pos5 being useless shit. What happens in Dota is you have a huge amount of farm in the map, almost all supports have a skill to powerfarm lane creeps, and after coddling your pos 1 for the first 10 minutes the map opens up and you get free space where you can powerfarm. Usually one or two cores are in the jungle, two or one cores are in a lane farming with safety, your pos 4 also competing for your farm but they usually have spells that help them farming jungle more so they take less space farming lane. Pos 5 farms lane usually but some farm jungle too depending on their kit.
The only exception is when the hero truly doesn't have one spell that can powerfarm even just the lane creeps, let alone jungle creeps. But that's like Disruptor only at this point, even Lion can powerfarm lane creeps.
And Disruptor becomes mega op with just aghanim scepter so it balances out.
Default Space key setting is putting camera on last (relevant) event, which is like a teamfight starts, tower is getting attacked, this kind of stuff, since the game didn't even start yet there was no relevant event and it defaulted to the very center of the map
You can rebind alt key to something you press easily, I put it on space button. You can also go in keybinding settings and default press Q as toggle autocast and you can then set alt+Q to be a normal single cast of your spell
S is better to cancel action, pressing hold won't stop certain spells and you might want to interrupt a spell. For example Windranger you might want to interrupt her ult because the enemy has activated blademail, hold won't do that
Ember Spirit, Storm Spirit, Void Spirit, Puck, Queen of Pain, are the classic five very elusive mid heroes. Queen of Pain is the easiest of the lot and Puck the hardest. Pangolier somewhat fit the same shoes but less slippery more tanky, hard as much as Puck to play.
He isn't gonna read this bro
league players are so good at microing
This guy is annoying being so impatient. Hats off to the guy tying to teach him
yo for all the comment andies, rangerzx is a chall league player who i think just plays dota here and there. hes not a coach hes just nemes friend
is so GOOD watching league pro losing his mind over dota champions. nice vid pal
storm spirit and shadowfiend would be my recommendations. Both easy to understand, but deep and show off the crazy shit dota can give you
Bro, as moba veteran, played against few newbies for few games and thinks amazing xd
I hope he tries enigma
Loving the video. Good coaching. Did you play a game VS other players?
Played my first Unranked game yesterday, will be uploaded today
@@NemesisVods that's fire! Can't wait.
Loved the way you were able to pick up all that information. Even for my mates it's sometimes difficult to explain new heroes to them
wait nemesis vods is run by nemesis? I thought it was a fan channel lol
bro i have been playing the game for like 2 months and I could explain the carrier mechanics better then nemi coach its better to tell him all the mechanics then trial and error explain to him that there is a manual control mode and an auto pilot mode and you can pre buy sort of the item you want in the shop with SHIFT click and then you can QUICK BUY Those components etc repeat
one of the most important things in the game efficient shop usage
I started on DotA in WC 3, played League for 10 years and DotA 2 and honestly, I have so much fun playing HotS over them it's abysmal
😂
ur in extreme minority lmao
57:40 "so he is like a braidead mage of dota". Meanwhile Necrophos: "Am I a joke to you?"
33:02 buging... that's not buging qwq
idk why he doesn't read the spells, he's just spamming them in practice tool
Damn this guy sucks at explaining lol. Makes courier a lot more complicated than needed and he doesnt even explain how enhanced autos work and that alt q is just putting it on autocast
Zeus ult deals also dmg based on enemy max HP
It's not true anymore, he doesn't have that passive that makes his spells do damage based on enemy hp. He only has lvl 20 talent that gives him Current HP based % damage on Q
@@egrassa1480 look at his ult description. It literally says flat 550dmg and under it it says 10% max hp as dmg. 🤦♂️ I'm not talking about his old passive (Static field, lol)... Also he has a talent that makes Arc lightning deal extra % dmg, but I'm talking about Zeus ult.
Dota really is if everything is op no one is
same thing for items too lol
nah go play league. everyone dies in 1 second and fights are super short.
I thought the coach was supposed to be somebody that knows the game...
bros so anxious he needs to listen
Isnt Ashe from League 2009 and Drow Ranger 2010?
Drow Ranger is from the first DotA (2002) game from Warcraft 3. DotA 2 is a replica of DotA
@@Lucifer-vv6up i meant to say drow. Drow is from 2002. Ash from 2009...so riot copied, as they always do.
hi! hello
Bruh league is based off dota ofc it has similar based champs
i feel like iam to dumb for dota 2 xD i will stay in lol
"so again"
"Huey is giga noob invoker. HAHAHA
Rangerzx good coach. Cool intro game of introducing mechanics
Once again carried by coach rangerz haha
pls do rubick demo
first time i played dota 1, i played queen of pain cos she was hot. i got my shit recked so hard lol. half the game i was asking people how i bought lumber :D
I played her first because of her name sounds very strong 😂😂😂
You can tell how long someones played dota by how fucked up their keybinds are
Play Tinker to learn how to play dota 2. 👍
i'll never complain about overloaded champion design in lol wtf are these dota heroes
its different kind of "overloaded". In dota every hero is extremely unique and their complexity gives insane amount of strategic and mechanical freedom...while in lol its just copy of the same skillshot other heroes have but just made complex for the sake of being complex.
lol i think i am fine playing league xD learning all that to becomes iron for like a year i dont know if i could give up league experience.
Understandable, most people don't want to be completely bad in something for a long time learning it
What elo is Ranger in Dota ?
i assume very low by the way he's describing everything
@@nuwa5253 another elitist DotA player spotted :D
@@cilium655he peaked 5.5k, low elo scum
@@cilium655is he wrong tho
@@doommaker4000 idk, havent played DotA in ages and I was pretty good, just saying it's one of the reasons I left and many people leave. You literally had that with Grubby a few days ago :) Just super elitist community, not even talking about toxicity, idc that much about it
Nemesis jumped from a trash game to an another trash game😊
that guy sounds so not interested and unsympathetic, hes legit triggering me so hard
ashe was released a year before drow ranger btw!
League players knowing what the 2 means in dota 2, challenge (impossible)
@@bruhdude164 majority of lol players don't know that dota 2 exist
@@LEGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA bullshit
@@LEGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA yeah because vast majority of league players were born after 2008
@@KolyaUrtz wow new players that’s why dota is dying 40 years olds with no life play your game
Bro Ranger has no clue wtf he's talking about throughout ANY of this lmfao, Nemesis try this again on your own or with an actual Dota player
it looks like a childs game compare to lol
you cant be serious
this game seems so overly complicated
but is the best game to have ever been created
I really hope nemesis realizes dota is a much better game with greater complexity and much better community than league..I recently left LoL for dota after playing it since s1 mainly because of the community.
The russians flaming you on voice chat for every single mistake truly makes it a better community
i mean you can just talk with them saying key objective words(like roshan, top, bot, mid and all that shit) if you really want to communicate @@itsgonnabeokay9341
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 just say to them something in russian and they will be happy
sure ranger did a pretty bad job of explaining things, but expecting him to be a pro dota coach when hes literally just a challenger trynda player is kinda funny. all the comments saying "this coach sucks" are so goofy because bro is not a coach in the slightest, he just likes dota lmfao
League mind can`t comprehend dota is so funny
yep hes thinking the skill shot not skill
he called DR ult boring haha.
I mean, DR is not very interesting kit-wise tbf
@@Andy-xd5dj Dota heroes are not about skills, about "faker, what was that?", it's the skill to survive in combat as long as possible. That's why league players when come to dota always feel bored of the low mechanic heroes, but they don't understand the meaning of survival in combat is the real skill to win the fight. This game is ten thousand times better than league but it's just sad to see the hard of this game lead to many people don't want to play
cope harder @@kienquochuynh1106
Dear god that guy is a terrible guide lol
PLEASE master this game its the GREATEST reward !!! 1 hero named INVOKER i spend months trying to master and did tutorial to land spells and BOY now i play it without effort and its extremely satisfying. GAME has alot to learn alot of depth and alot of ways to outsmart your enemy. DONT LET toxic players stop you focus only on your journey!
You mean blonde Hwei for people who don't shower?
@@beastbumwow what an insanely sophisticated bait, truly about as hard as pressing QQ or QW or QE
@@beastbum you shower and you call yourself a gamer?
how are they even close to alike?@@beastbum
@@hades7087degenerate
This coach is tho.. is so bad 😅. Ok legit question. So who is Nemesis? Is he a competitive?
This coach makes my blood boil
this has to be the worst coach in the universe
Funny he didn't read any spell and just spam click like a clown followed by his friend. Dota players can just play league and adapt easily while league players always frustrate when come to dota. I wonder why dota players call league is a kid game with better marketing
I know its his first time. But watching new comers f up the courier is so annoying
"what came first, ashe from league or ashe from dota" MY GUY LEAGUE IS A DOTA COPY lmaoooo
Drow ranger came after ashe tho lmao, ik she was from dota but they had the same devs anyway
@@specificocean4176you dumb my guy. Drow ranger existed in dota before league was even created.
@@specificocean4176 ...how does that make sense??? "drow ranger came after ash but i know she is from dota"...you contradicted yourself
@@KolyaUrtz cus drow ranger came out in 2010
@@specificocean4176 it didnt, it came out 2002
lmao this is against bots
i came because of dota
try to find a better coach and try again lol. Dota is a better deeper game imo
its not better... trust me
Worst advice ever.
Ashe came out in 2009, Drow Ranger in 2010 what is this guy smoking
Never heard dota1?
Never heard Traxex?
Lol. Traxex, the Drow Ranger came out in 2004. She existed first before you.
DROW RANGER IS A DOTA 1 HERO SINCE 2003, AND FROM WARCRAFT SINCE 1990
yep ashe copy from drow dota 1
Why this game is so confusing wth
requires high iq because whole point of the game is having huge amount of strategic freedom thus outplay potential
dota looks terrible
yea with 10min to think picker first hero coz all hero free to use hahaha
definitely an acquired taste. tho I like this sort of fantasy genre over league where half the characters are omega sexualized for $$
...how? how does it look terrible? Does dire side make you scared or something? Are you the type to look at classical painting of someone being killed and say "uhg this painting is so ugly"?