SHOULD MEN BE SUBMISSIVE? (EP. 55)
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(EP. 55) SHOULD MEN BE SUBMISSIVE?
We think the word “submissive” gets a negative connotation in regards to the male-female dynamic. In this episode we debunk the idea that a masculine man cannot be submissive in areas of his relationship while being an effective leader.
Being submissive isn’t to be associated with weakness or a lack of self-respect.
We discussed how support overlaps with submission and also submission doesn’t mean that you are a passive male. But the question is where does the balance live between the two?
The purpose of this episode is to simply help men broaden their ideology of manhood and masculinity and encourage their commitment to relationship.
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@duke @omar.bolden @just.Jalon
Intro song: @xaroc__ - Pledge of Allegiance
To submit means to be “sub” to the “mission”…the mission of a relationship is service, unity, commitment, onness.
A man has to be wise, secure, clear, and confident to submit in his relationship. Yes, men should submit. Just as women, should submit. Mutual submission, attacking every situation together with humility and wisdom.
Couldn’t have said it better fam! Appreciate the input! 🥃🥃🥃
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Perfect stated
It's like being at work, or military or outside their is organization.
Supervisor then lead then entry level
Husband then wife then kids
Real simple
Supervisor shows attention to needs and provides but does not follow orders by the subs
I love you guys! It’s great to be able to get the perspective of intelligent, socially conscious, handsome black men! Y’all give me hope that there are still good men out there.. so for me watching this podcast is kinda like me manifesting this kind of energy into my life. Keep it up❤
Exactly! ❤
Thanks for rockin’ with us! We’re going to keep the positivity and connectivity flowing! 🥃🥃🥃
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How are you manifesting this energy ? What do you mean? Just me being curious as to how that looks I guess.
Our son is 19, second year in college (secondary education major) and he watches you guys and now he has me watching you guys😂. I’m glad black men are sitting and talking about conversations that are necessary. Your setting the groundwork for him and so many other young black men so thank you guys for setting this groundwork for (opening the conversations up that are necessary) him and many more!
I’m very proud of you guys, the podcast Nice & Neat never needs to stop!
Yo 40:10 I need that episode fellas lol. I'd appreciate that, and if y'all could do an episode on combining lives with your partner. Sharing experiences on dividing chores, paying bills, establishing boundaries, aligning schedules, developing intimacy etc...
It is so refreshing to see that there are brothers out there like this. I have just been beaten down by the redpill, alphamale Kevin Sameuals mentality. This mentality propels us forward as a society. These men will get the submissive and cooperative women they deserve. Thank you for touching on ego and pride. Great video.
It takes an alpha male to be submissive. We believe It’s a source of strength and not weakness. Thank you for rockin’ with us! 🥃🥃🥃
Only women were told to submit to their husbands. Right?
@@ahkeeantahkeeant8096 what do you men?
So many people fail to realize that what it means to be a leader in any capacity, is to simply be a person of service. So this idea that most men have that to serve your woman or being submissive is “simping” but still expect a woman to follow their “lead” is wild to me. Grateful for this episode!!!! Love you guys for constantly changing the narrative! And Jalon is right…the greatest podcast in all of LA
I think the difference between leading and controlling is in how power is expressed. As a leader you don’t abuse it and you make sure the rest of the team is aware of what and why things are going to happen. A controlling person calls the shots just because they can and keeps you confused so you’re left to ask them why or try to rationalize why they made that call without any consideration. Esp when they know you’re not gonna question them in front of ppl. I’ve been with more controlling guys but when I pointed out the issues in their attempt to lead, they definitely took it as constructive criticism and lost that controlling title. It’s hard to unlearn bad habits tho so it takes a long time but why they don’t qualify as controlling is bc they are actively trying to change that habit. I also noticed that the controllers were usually the men that grew up without a dad or prior military. Which is why I tried to work thru it for as long as I could tolerate it. The leaders were always the guys whose dad played a big part in their manhood. They’re a lot easier to be with!
Thankfully I’ve been able to see men be submissive in our relationships. I’ve also experienced a lesser amount of guys that totally reject the idea. I prefer the former over the latter. It’s not fair to have your partner adjust to you when you refuse to adjust for them
I would like to know what areas do THESE type of men frequent? Where can I find THIS caliber of men? Huh? The Gym, upscale restaurants, church, BURGER KING??? Where dey at doe?!??
😂😂😂 here’s a gem💎 … start with the fellas following and sharing the N&N page on IG 🥃🥃🥃
This Podcast is sooooo important. The conversations y’all have are very necessary. Thank you. Mutual submission in a relationship is beautiful
Its so refreshing to hear men of high intellect and bringing their personal experiences being in a successful relationship
So refreshing!
Yes ! Been watching you all for about 9mths now and I love hearing men perspectives ! Especially grown mature men with great mentality’s! Love from Florida ! ❤
Appreciate your support! We can’t wait to get out to Florida! 🥃🥃🥃
I'm so happy i found yaw podcast!! Breathe of fresh air...These conversation are held so maturely, Respectfully, and just therapeutic to watch #BlackMenAreAmazing
This is a healing and powerful experience of you all being able to communicate clearly , consciously and with earnest dialogue. Absolutely wonderful, so excited to watch more of your content.
Loved this episode and being a fly on the wall for this conversation!! Great to see healthy dialogue that promotes balance and intentionality from both partners.
This was such a refreshing episode to watch! It honestly made me super grateful for my man. Two people coming together to elevate one another in anyway possible is infinite love. That’s the message. You guys are elevating the human consciousness especially in black men! Thank you!
This was SUCH a good episode! I really enjoyed listening to this conversation. Great dialogue and intellect, AND practical examples. 👏🏾
That pop pop analogy was on point 😂
Submit is to kindly yeild to anothers way of doing things. You guys are amazing
Plain and simple! 🥃🥃🥃
I always tune in with you guys & this was probably one of my most favorites, definitely in the top 10 favorites, Very Informative episode, was definitely able to get a better perspective from a man’s point of view on what it takes to be more in tune with your women. Love Love Love it, thank you!! ❤️
Amazing episode & topic! Can always count on you guys to drop some good gems
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I don't think y'all are explaining submission imo, it sounds more like being a gentleman, partner or a respectful human being. Submission is allowing your woman to lead (in the same manner and view of how you lead in the relationship) when it's her time to shine. Y'all are a team and each have great attributes. Naturally no one person is always going to be the best person for the issue at hand. Your woman has skillsets, knowledge, strengths that you don't and when the situation presents itself that her qualities are better fit to lead, let her, fall back and go with it.
Agreed. For example if a man is not the best at managing his income and his woman is great at budgeting and investing etc he can submit in that way to her and say ok I'm gonna sit with you n let you do my budget and show me how to better manage n invest etc and actually listen to n follow her directives on it. Yea?
We are happy that you watched the episode and that you agree with us! You’re exactly right, not one person is going to always be suitable to lead. It takes a team! You hit the nail on the head, this is exactly what we described in the episode! 🥃🥃🥃
I love listening to real men conversations 👏🏼 the maturity and respect you guys have in your relationships and for your women is a beautiful thing. I hope that a lot of men watch this and really take it in❤ love this podcast
I know you guys said women are suppose to be a fly on the wall within this convo but if I’m speaking honestly and candidly, men TODAY are not going to listen to this. They’re not even going to be open to this convo because men today believe women are NOT their equals. The manosphere, red pill, and especially KS has brought out the worst in most of them.
But even with that said, keep doing what y’all doing, i LOVE this podcast and will forever be a supporter.
what does EQUAL mean to yall.
What do Ya'll want?
women TODAY should not be pushing an old issue that women in the very distant past decided to have with their men.
Listen, WE are in a pandemic....why are we talking about THIS nonsense
WE are all EQUALLY afraid of getting sick.
There you go....you equal now .
Leadership is trusting in your team (partner) to get the job done with your guidance if needed
They are so smart I hate that I’m
Not surrounded by men like this I need to move !!! When I tried to teach my EX these things he didn’t wanna understand like I was talking crazy but these men literally saying the same thing I was saying !!! I wonder if they have a brother for me 🥴🥴🥴
Period Omar‼️ This was a great episode, everyone did soo well‼️💗
Such an incredible narrative, still digesting 🙏🏾
Fantastic episode, open and objective conversations about what it takes to make a healthy relationship work on both sides. Definitely sharing this. We need more male podcasters talking at this level 🎓🤗👊🏾❤️💫
You guys dive deep, break things down all the way and build it all the way back up to the foundation so there's full understanding. In my early walk with Christ, i thought submit meant slave/servant, which I was totally against. Give in, giving up all of me and I just couldn't understand. Throughout all these years, Ive learned so much and everyone's interpretation may be different. Im in agreement with you guys, the word submission is not a part of my vocabulary. To me its nurturing/caring, supportive, empathetic, responsible, comfortable making adjustments, making sacrifices without resentment or expectations. My belief its done by both man and woman if you're equally yoked loving, sharing, living for common goals
I definitely agree with what you fellas are saying 100%. I believe the negative connotation associated with “submission” is inferiority. A lessor matured or close- minded person might see the act of submitting as the act of “bowing down”; when in reality the act of submission I think is a great example of equality simply because submission doesn’t have to be gender specific (especially if respect is acknowledged amongst two individuals).
Awesome episode! 🥃🥃🥃
Definitely showed me a different perspective. The point of submitting to something abstract like an idea vice a person was my take away. Didn't even consider that ideology.
Your podcast is a breath of fresh air. It gives me hope that there are good guys still out there
So good!!!
Great job fellas as always 👌🏽👏🏽
This Episode was everything 🔥🥃
6:08 Jalon is my mood when Duke start spittin lol
He was talking’ truthful 😂🥃
Sometimes making that executive decision is worth the little callback from your girl later on tbh. “Imma get us through here (airport)/out of here (dangerous situation) using my actions and deal with if you liked how I did it or not when the mission is done”
I wish I could’ve been on this episode to give a healthy perspective of what a submissive man looks like to a Godly woman because this convo was SO good. Having that mature woman’s perspective would’ve been the icing on the cake.
Dope episode 💯
You guys are wise beyond your years 🥰
Great episode, guys! Funny enough, I randomly opened the Bible app as I listened to this, and turns out the verse of the day is Colossians 3:16. I scrolled down a bit more and there it was.. the verses that speak to submission. 😂
Look at that! No coincidences 🥃🥃🥃
Soft , accepting & loving
Appreciate the perspectives and respect and enjoy the show. I believe that you all are confusing submission with compromise however. Submission requires an authority figure. You all describe your relationships as harmonious w/ respective roles and necessary moments of compromise. Great topic to tackle tho
I guess submission is kinda like compromising cause both needs need to be met to be happy, so a good balance from both people in a relationship is essential.
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Halftime: there is a massive difference between leadership and control. Leadership requires you to be a visionary. You know the persons capabilities, talents, and you understand their value. You learn to adjust and use that value to the greater good of the goal or relationship. It’s required for the leader to understand his audience ,his influence, and to TRUST that those who are following are also valuable and important. When you start controlling you start losing out of the gifts and talents that are there to more you forward. Controlling is micromanaging. No one likes to be micromanaged.
I think you guys got the words Submissive and Cooperative confused on this one guys. Submissive - allowing yourself to be controlled by other people or animals. Cooperative - someone who is willing to work with others nicely, or is working together towards achieving a common goal. Relationships should be cooperative not submissive.
Cooperation is definitely key in a successful relationship … words can overlap, we touched on that in this ep. around the 13:35 mark for about a minute. Appreciate the feedback and support fam 🥃🥃🥃
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No. Simply answer is no. Nobody has to submit, but men less than anybody. DONT submit. Lead your life. And your family life together with your wife.
Oooo if y’all have another episode to talk about sex and being tired and not really being in the mood etc please have a woman on because that looks very different for women than it does men. A lot of times women feel pressured to have sex when they’re tired and it actually does a lot of damage to us. And honestly, if your woman is tired from doing whatever she been doing all day etc(especially if she’s not getting help from her partner because i see this A LOT) you should not coerce her into sex or press her for sex. Let her rest and revisit when she’s more recharged
I know women suppose to be a fly on the wall but.. support is not necessarily teaching it can be as simple as showing up for someone. When you had a game and people came to see you thats support and they weren't teaching you anything. O was right when he said its two different things but you cant have one without the other.
So is that why women go for older men? 26:00
Submission is cooperation
False
Submission: “the action or fact of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person”
No cooperation here. A man should not submit to his woman. He should be supportive, but based on logic he should
not submit to nobody but God.
I think the word submissive triggers people. I think it's just being a little softer.
Real submissive women, want a real submissive man
Submission-Humility
Allowing the greater good for your own selfish needs. When you submit, you recognize, this is not the end all be all. There’s a bigger picture. A greater goal.
So when a woman submit to her husband is allowing her husband to lead to the greater purpose.
No woman will a respect a man who willfully submits to her. Yall trippin in the comments ladies lol…
Not true
women are no longer martyrs and doormats. that way of thinking is why women leave men most of the time nowadays. 🤷🏻♀️
No! Men are not to be submissive, men take the lead, and the woman is The Helpmate. And that doesn’t mean by any means that the woman is a second class citizen or beneath the man nor is the man supposed to treat her as such, it simply means that the man & woman have 2 distinctive roles they must play in order to bring polarity into the relationship.
If the man is a masculine being, and the woman is being a masculine being with and to him, then where is the polarity in that relationship??? It will never work. The man is the stronger vessel and the woman is the weaker one. So, quite naturally the man is the head(defender, father, provider, care giver, leader) and the woman must submit and be his helpmate(mother, caretaker, homemaker, nurturer, agreeable, teacher). God>Man>Women>Children = “The Divine Order of The Most High”.
Preach! these nuance ideas got it all wrong. Men should absolutely not be sumissive to his woman, that is not to say that he controls or disrespects her, it is just proper order in order to have best family dynamic. Modern women have negatively painted the word and have strain away from submission. I like the nice and neat podcast but would have to disagree on this one, respectfully.
@@sleepyeuphoria-relaxingsou8324 Absolutely Bro, I couldn't agree more. Well said.💯
cap. allow each other to shine where you’re good at. nobody’s better than anyone in a relationship. nobody’s the leader. a couple should complement each other to be a good match.
if you insist on being the “leader” and your partner being “weaker” sooner or later your partner will resent and leave you. this is why women leave men most of the time. some men just want to mold women into someone they want and not show what she’s good at.
@@raf3765 Good luck with that way of thinking.
In my past relationship summiting was never a thing, we just created such a trusting safe space, we just filled in wht was needed...If Respect and loyalty is mutual, everything naturally fall into place 🤍🌹