Triumph Daytona Starting Problems
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- Опубліковано 20 січ 2023
- sometimes projects seem like a great idea, buy up a garage find and clean it to within an inch of its life.
all of a sudden you have a mint 40 year old motorcycle that looks like it's just rolled out of the showroom.
that's what they have you believe on all these restoration shows anyway. in reality your buying a wrecked bike that someone has abused and ruined only to find that a pressure wash isn't going to be enough, and some proper repairs are needed, these almost always will be expensive.
non start on the daytona, I think mainly caused by fuel problems, let's find out and do some testing to find out.
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Ahhhh the joys of 'project bikes'. Excellent tutorial, nice logical one at a time steps.
Thanks Neil, not had a chance to continue yet but a new pump is on the cards 😢
Great video! 👌 always great to learn a thing or two. Lady J
Thanks, I hope I've diagnosed it right 🤣
Great little vid mate, and I learnt new stuff so thanks!
Using a multimeter is a 3 handed job!!!
I got one of the hand pump things when I took my tank off, great action though
😂😂 thanks mate, I hope it started your Saturday morning off well 😂😂
I've owned my 2006 and NEVER had one single issue with it until now...that's pretty damn lucky. My race bike same thing...Although Triumph did have a recall on an electrical issue way back when and they totally took care of it. I have to have the bike checked to as why it's now kicking over and that's with a new battery....I found this extremely helpful thank you!
Always a pleasure, thanks Scott, and I hope yours is all sorted soon 👍
It’s a triumph, things never go to plan, I should know, and yours is newer than my sprint was 😂
Ahah that look with that movement, something I never thought I’d see from you 😂
If only it was simple, it’s never simple with a triumph mate 😂
Very good video, good to see a proper handyman go through what it could be one at a time and properly. Fingers crossed you get it starting again soon 🤘
I hope so, I've had a ducati and a harley and it's a good old triumph causing me the most trouble 🤣🤣
Yeah that action comes from years of practice 😝
I’m in the middle fixing my 97 Daytona won’t start. I’ve taken tank off, changed plugs, cleaned injectors and fuel rail pit it all back together and still won’t start.
Then it dawned on me, I didn’t hear the pump priming 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️. So tomorrow I will take pump apart out of the tank and see if it’s repair able. After watching your video I think I might use a spare 12v battery and some leads and do it on the table.
Nice video you’ve done, hope you got it fixed
Thanks Andrew, yes it was a fuel pump issue caused mone not to start, after replacing the pump I had no problems.
Use a multi meter to check you have a 12v feed to the pump when pressing the starter button, if you have 12v but no fuel flow I expect it'll be a pump problem, if you don't have a 12v feed and a good earth you have some sort of power supply problem. Also check the clutch and side stand switch to make sure they aren't cutting the feed to the pump.
Hope you sort it buddy 👍
Great video thanks I got same on my 995i cheers baz.
Hope your sort it buddy 👍
I hope you get to the bottom of this soon! I’m looking forward to seeing Dirtona out on the road!!!!
Me too mate, definitely got a fuelling issue but too cold to work in the garage 😂
I have a 2005 Daytona ss had it 7 years but had rectifier issues for first two years but got it sorted. Thinking of selling it as I fancy a change now I’m 60. Don’t know what to ask for money wise as they are getting hard to find in good condition and it’s 97% mint! Great co tent👍🏴
Thanks Paul, the bike market seems to be taking an early dip for the winter this year but the daytona rarely drops in price because they have such a good following and reputation.
I don't have much experience in current prices as I'm an impulse buyer and rarely shop around 🤦♂️ (my Mrs hates it)
I would always say hold on until the spring though when the prices start climbing again.
Thanks for watching mate, when it's finished mine will look nothing like a daytona 🤣
fancy referring to the Mrs as "the washing machine" 😉😁🤣 -- looking forward to the answer to the non starting, good luck mate
🤣 I wouldn't dare 👍
Good luck bro. 👍
Thanks Larry, definitely got a fuelling issue so I'll have to look into that first 😎👍
whats the resting Voltage of the Battery when its dissconded from the bike?
dose the bike try to crank over if the kill switch is on?
all the fuzes ok or any dammage ?
How do the spark plugs look?
All good checks but still concentrating on the lack of fuel from the fuel pump even though I'm getting voltage to it.
I've ordered a new pump so will recondition the pump/sender unit assembly this week. Once I've fixed that I'll work through the rest.
It was running well before this so hoping the pump is the main issue 👍
Great video. thanks for the hard work. what is the working pressure of the fuel pump?
Thanks, I'm really sorry but I don't know, I had zero fuel pressure so knew there was a problem with the pump after checking the voltage and earth at the wiring.
Hope you get yours sorted 👍
That kinda stuff makes me so aggravated! That's why I'm no mechanic! 🤷.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that it ends up being the cheap / easy fix!
I'm hoping so too mate, a nice easy pump swap would be my best hope really 👍
Not only good at editing, you know mechanics. You had a good person when you were young to get you into it!
Been a mechanic since I was 16, my dad got me interested in cars but I hate working on them now 🤣🤣
Stick it in a tank of fuel and see if it pumps anything out?
Could be down the line more. That is blimming low voltage and shouldn't drop below 11 even on start up.
Blocked injecter sending the rest awol.
Plug fuse.
I know nothing but just a guess, enjoyed that 👍goodluck
😂 all good ideas, I don't have any fuel coming from the pump on cranking so focusing on that first, suspect there will be other issues to fix once that's done 🤦♂️
Could it be the switch on clutch lever to engaging or not reading its engaged
Hi Chris, turned out the fuel pump had failed, did check the clutch switch but that stops it turning over rather than not firing.
I replaced the fuel pump and it starts lovely now.
Thanks for commenting and giving me ideas though 😁👍
What is the sound from 9:25 to 9:34 ??? After u disconnect the fuel pump inside connector!
My ST675 does this too, when im switch the ignition ON, and when it does this, the starter motor does not "click" and not turn when the start button is pressed
(my fuel pump is make pressure, its okey)
I think the noise is the exhaust valve trying to reset. Mine isn't working properly. Seems to be worse if the bike doesn't start or if the battery is low.
Hope you have everything sorted my friend 👍
You may have fixed this by now but a few thoughts. Did you pull a plug and check for spark? I had an early Trophy 900 (1993) which for reasons best known to Triumph the ECU needed nearly 10v to do its thing. Hence unless the battery was completely charged it wouldn’t start as cranking pulled the voltage below 10v and the ECU just refused to play. If your battery is old, even though fully charged it will show 12v plus, as soon as you crank it the voltage drops considerably as shown in your video. Perhaps you just need a new battery? Also to test that fuel pump, just connect it direct to the battery with some spare wire and see if it spins. Good luck and I look forward to hearing your solution.
Thanks for the info, I will check that. I have changed the battery which really helped with the starting up until now, I'm still convinced it's a fuel pump issue and have a rebuild kit for this weekend so will do that first, but if its still playing up I will check the ignition system, thanks Mark 👍
That fuel pump should shoot fuel out... something is clogged, shot ..totality of circumstances with Triumphs LOL.. Download the TuneECU parameters which will allow thi guy to diagnose engine codes, engine issue while running... etc..download maps if he chooses , change start-up fueling... it's a must have for simple diagnosing issues ..easy to set it up on Windows, Andriod etc...
@Carl Mayer thanks, I will have to look into that, I've replied the fuel pump and now it starts on the button.
Still got issues but easier to work through with it running 👍
Hiya, i have thr exact same issue with my Daytona. It's been sitting since last year, but had no issues before. Did you get to thr botton of this?
It appears to be a fuel pump issue, I checked all the power supplies and earths, all were OK, bit not getting any fuel pressure to the injection rail.
I replaced the fuel pump and it sorted the problem.
Also check the exhaust valve isn't stuck shut which will cause starting problems.
Hope this helps 👍
Cheers, thank you very much for that. I have had problems with the exhaust valve in the past, but the bike was starting fine and just giving me an engine warning light. I checked the code, disassembled the exhaust valve, got it unstuck, cleaned etc. All sorted. Never had issues starting. Spark plugs checked today, all good. Fuel pump line disconnected from engine and it didn't get any spray. Too many other noises to tell whether it was working. So cross with myself for letting the bike sit for a year. Now headache!
Did you replace the whole unit (white plastics) or just the motor? I am worried about the wiring and whether the motor itself can be removed easily or whether I'd have to rewire the whole thing. I am just a biker wanting to ride, not claiming to be knowledgeable about repairs at all!!! Getting to the spark plugs today was the most I have done on a bike. A friend helped with tools and advice
@vinlondon4933 you can replace just the motor, I bought one on ebay and it didn't fit so in the end I bought a second hand one off ebay which did the job.
It's not too difficult, but being safe Is the main thing. Ventilate the area you're working in, drain as much out of the tank as possible and get a new rubber seal for when you refit the sender unit (£5 from triumph dealer)
There's only a couple of multiplugs inside the tank to disconnect once the tank is off so no wiring needed 👍
Good detective work, I'm sure you'll figure it out soon enough. I'm a noob and I've no idea, I'd have tried a hammer already...
Have you tried using a hammer? 🤔
😂😂 yes but didn't film it 😂😂
Did you get this sorted?
There is only a few issues that would stop the 675 engine from turning over.
1- low battery as it needs over 12.65v to crank the engine.
2- CPS this should reed .200ohms resistance to mean it’s perfectly working
3- Clutch switch system/side stand switch.. Both of these can be bypassed on Gen 1 only due to the wiring loom not having a Quickshifter plug
Fuel pumps rarely fail on the 675, it’s the t bag filter that usually causes issues at 4-5k rev dead zone surging.
Get the bike plugged into tune ecu you will be able to test the pump and major systems from there as the fuel pump only primes at full power when the bike is running.
If need any help feel free to message as I made a video on how to use Tune Ecu and I’ve rebuilt my Gen 1 2006 in multiple configs since owning it from 2008
Thanks Aaron, that's brilliant.
The fuel pump replacement fixed the starting problem, still have some running issues but that's because the emmisions system was ripped out and not repaired properly when it slid down the road. I have the breather and pipes just waiting for tine to work on it, as usual I have big ideas and then realise I don't have the time to do it 🤣🤣
Oooh let me guess it’s either Intake flapper, sai unit or the infamous p1080 exup servo
@arronfoster17 exup servo 🤣
@@wsmv you can just remove the cables, let the valve spring open and disable it via tune ecu, download the map heat cycle it and will be fine, if you have the o2 sensor still fitted it won’t effect fuel, afr will be more stable also if you have removed the intake flapper and SAI
@arronfoster17 thats awesome thanks Aaron, will do that, is the tuning programme on a particular piece of equipment ?
Can you help me fix my 2015 Daytona it's stalling on 4th gear and after heating refuses to shift to 2nd gear. Here in India, no engineer is skilled enough to solve the issue. Please help if you can , I really love my Daytona.
I'm sorry but I don't know the bike enough to be able to diagnose the fault. There are so many things that could cause these issues so you will need a mechanic to look at the bike 👍
Hope you can find the culprit and get it fixed easily and cheaply 🙂
Me too buddy, suspecting the fuel pump has given up but they are pretty cheap so fingers crossed 🤞
i really need to know what happened next, i'm exactly on the same problem, i just recently got my first dayotna and i'm stucked on the same issue. there's not much imformation about dayota issues online, this video helps me a lot but i need to know what i'm supossed to check out next... can somebody can tell me what can i do?
The problem I had was the fuel pump was failing and not building pressure. Check the + and - at the pump wiring while cranking the starter. If you're getting 12v but no fuel pressure then the pump has failed. Hope you fix yours soon 🤞
@@wsmv thanks so much man, i'll try it
Electrics are the only thing on any vehicle that I steer clear of. Good luck with finding the fault, Weston.
Thanks Jim, basic electrics I can cope with, 12v and earth's, but electronics are beyond my capability now, that's why I have old bikes 😁👍
Very interesting video today did I miss the results of the giveaway
Not yet Ian, I'm gonna film it this week and then upload next week. Filming a comp winner video sounds simple but it's trying to plan something that is completely fair and actually thinking of doing it live 👍
Sounds good thank you for getting back to me
were is part 2 please??
Hi Alice, I did a little short after swapping the fuel pump which cured the starting issues.
The triumph has taken a back step during the summer but now the weather has taken a downturn I will be back on it.
Hopeful of having it road worthy by April and will do more vids as I get more work done 👍
Sexy Haircut, I mean it's no Biker Stuff but it will do. However you 'working it' that would give her a run for her money! Sorry about the Dirtona, I'm sure it's fixed by now?
😂 not quite but in progress buddy.
Perhaps I need to buy some dungarees as I have ample side boob to share 😂😂🤢
@@wsmv Not me, but I'm sure if you start an OnlyFans the ladies (and others) will thrust money into your sweaty palms.
🤣🤣
You dont look like mark with out the helmet.
🤣🤣
I see you're not just a pretty face, you know a thing or two. I'm sure you'll figure it out.
Hope so mate, definitely got a fuelling issue 👍