@@utboilerman ya I mean no one wants to spend a couple hundred or thousand more one something you spent like $60 k plus but it is basically a drop in the bucket
How long does this take because they said corrosion right I mean if so and obviously it's a known thing it doesn't seem like replacing it or going with the banks solution is any more of a manufacturer thing than a timing belt you have to replace every 100k
5 year 100k warranty covers that. Maybe get your vehicle looked at when the check engine light comes on instead of driving it until it explodes. I've been. Working for FCA for 9 years. I've never seen that failure I've replaced tons of grid heaters.
@@customconnections2425 is the engine supposed to last until the end of time? That's actually a pretty rare failure. Worked for Chrysler 9 years never had one of those failures in the shop.
My grid heater bolt came off in the mechanics hand during Monster Ram installation. I was watching as it happened. I was extremely lucky. Don't wait. Change it out .
Just got my monster installed yesterday, you can really notice a difference in power. The first one I ordered fedex lost i called up Banks and they had another one sent out immediately. Im a BANKS for life customer. Thanks a million, keep up the good work guys and gals
I've just purchased a new 23 3500 dually 4x4 maga cab and now have 700 miles on it. This upgrade will be done immediately. I love the power of this 6.7 now, can't wait to feel what this adds.
Thanks Mr.Banks! I have a 2015 Ram 3500 4x4 Dually Aisin trans with 6.7 HO engine with 60k miles on it and had it since new off the dealer lot. Last year I removed the wire feeding the grid heater so there was no way it could energize. Yesterday I started installing your Monster Ram and almost finished. I have the Monster Ram prepared to go in this morning and put the crossover pipe back on and that's it and I'll be finished. Thanks for making a complete kit down to the injector and fuel rail plugs. This kit is very nice and complete. Thanks for making this solution to resolve the grid bolt issue. I'm 61 and plan on this being my last truck unless I hit the lotto. Thanks again Mr.Banks I like all your product there are always of the highest quality!!!
No my bolt was still tight,but I didn't want to chance a failure of my own. I know of a few guys that there's weren't tight and headed towards failure.
I had to move in from the 6.7 when the def system failed 3 times in 28k miles. Parts couldn’t be found or ordered for 4 months. Loved the truck, just couldn’t wait
I am in MD and HD industry I claim warranty all day long on cleaning the intake it's very common for the grid heater to plug up solid. Have not seen many bolt failures but I see the superiority in Bank's design
My Cummins experienced this failure 6 months ago at 200k miles. I consider myself lucky that it only bent 2 exhaust valves and imbedded in the top of the piston. Crushed the top ring land so it scuffed the cylinder wall but was able to be honed out. Cylinder head and guides checked out fine. Obviously the Banks grid heater delete and Monster Ram intake went back on so should
YUP!!! Did my Banks monster ram upgrade about 35.000 miles ago. After seeing this video I ordered it and installed it myself. What a relief!!! The cost was nothing compared to engine failure. Piece of mind, PRICELESS!!!
Incredible that this problem hasn't been acknowledged by RAM and people are still losing engines to it. Good for Gale and his air intake business, not ao much for the unsuspecting customers who had to replace their engines. Goes to show what a master engineer like Gale can come up with
Thanks Mr Banks I had a great experience with the sales department Chuck hooked it up and now I have everything y’all make for my Cummins 6.7L I hope it lasts a lot longer now that I am upgrading everything. Now the last thing now will be a upgraded turbo and upgraded 48RFE trans. After all that in to a 52 gallon tank
Bought this kit for my wife's 2018 Ram 2500 6.7L. When the kit showed up, the truck was at the dealer for an emissions warranty issue. When it came out from the dealer. My time window to work on the installation was gone. I had a scheduled surgery. And hope that the last day or two of my time off from work. Will allow me to Install this kit along with the iDash. I gotta get my daughter and son-in-law to buy this kit for their 2018 3500 6.7L. A friend's son had the bolt failure. And is out $15k for a dealer repair. Has to drive his old truck to continue to run his business.
@qalv97 - Your engine has an 8 year 80,000 mile emissions warranty. Fuel quality is an issue with diesels. I run HOT SHOTS SECRET EDT at every fill up. That helps keep the emissions system clean and allows better fuel economy. Do the Bank's Monster Ram Elbow as soon as possible to preserve your engine.
Even though I don't have a diesel anything, I find you videos very informative. Also your products seem to be well tested and money smart. I see so many diesel owners pouring out black smoke, while you seem to improve power with less smoke. I have even see "farmers" with their tractors blowing smoke. I can't imagine how much they increase their fuel bill and how much they are harming their engines. Anything to get on UA-cam!
Gale you are an absolute legend. I'm a grease monkey and hope to someday learn a quarter of the things you have forgotten. I'm hoping to get to the point maybe this year to do a pedal monster on my 21 Cummins. Maybe next year do the monster ram. Want to thank you for being who you are. Definitely 1 in a million
There are two giant questions this video does not cover: 1) How well does the coil heater work? How cold can ambient temps get before the less effective heater becomes a problem? 2) What is the failure rate of the coil in relation to the grid heater bolt? I see a metal coil that will repeatedly heat and cool for years. If it fails, its going into the intake just as the bolt does. Common sense tells me its MORE likely to fall apart than the factory bolt. Lastly, does a deleted truck have the same risk, or does the delete remove the conditions that cause the corrosion failure in the first place?
All I can say is I have it on my truck and I live in New England and it works just as well as the factory grid heater. A regular delete doesn't remove it it's under the intake horn and really blocks air flow. It is definitely worth the money and it's really not that hard to do. I did mine in 5 hours with no leaks or anything
well id imagine just like glow plugs of old has to be replaced every so often thats just common sense. as far as cold starting if live in cold climate should already have a block heater and winter fuel oil aka #1 deiseal.
I know this reply is late... I recently did the grid heater delete, I think it feels a little more powerful, and the mpg is up a little. But the cold starts are much worse than when it had a grid heater. Hopefully it won't have the same problem with the coil breaking off and ending up in the engine. It thought the same thing when I installed it.
What Temps are you seeing in the winter. I've been contemplating this but heard rumors the glow plug doesn't work that good in -20⁰C nevermind -40⁰C. What's your thoughts ?
I see weeks of minus 40C, sometimes down minus 60C on the prairies. At that point, you have to have the block heater plugged in, battery blankets, strong batteries and so forth. It's always started but takes a bit longer to smooth out versus the grid heater. When it's really cold I'll cycle the key a few times for half a minute to warm as much air as possible if the truck has been sitting a long time. Other than that, it's always started. Never started then stalled and have to try again.
Do not forget to replace the intake air heater solenoid, your different style intake air heater may be able to hold up to The relay continuing to fail but The Mopar intake solenoid is the reason why the Cummins intake manifold heater fails. You could get by with just replacing the solenoid as a preemptive, but I highly recommend doing both the banks ram and the solenoid
@@cookingwithjesus Problem is it sticks ON. Other thing is unless it is cold outside, you dont even need a grid heater. I start my 5.9 Cummins without waiting and it will start right up even very cold outside too. I mean if it is freezing out, it may crank longer.
@@Da9guy1993 you can unbolt the stud off of the solenoid to the heater and leave the solenoid plugged in otherwise, The ECM will still receive the resistance through the coil thinking it's still hooked up. There is an updated part number for that relay through Dodge. But I also do like the idea of this intake system if I had one of these myself just for that gain of efficiency Make the turbo work less
@@Da9guy1993 yes, it will trigger the light. engine will still start if in good condition. It may crank longer if it is really cold outside. What you can do is connect a dummy load to the wires to fool the computer.
I read about this a couple months ago when I replaced my grid heater relay .I never knew this was a thing until reading on that relay I immediately went out and wiggled the bolt stud on the heater luckily it's tight but I beleive we will.be going this route for prevention I only use my ram as a toe rig for my crawler I'm not looking lose an engine for a heater bolt ...I've removed everything else on the 6.7 from factory that cuts engine life and turbo life down with EFI live ...no smoke all clean tunes you'd never know it was just a straight pipe from turbo back besides the decibels ...lol
No smoke? I’d be interested because deleted of emissions on these almost always creates soot which is low hanging fruit for DOT cops an other agencies looking to bust a deleted truck.
@@josemejia6645 The tunes are generic but I don't know who the person is that tuned that batch of csp 5 but they certainly don't over fuel like a lot of trucks I see .
Have had 100s of 6.7s Cummins come through the shop(not in the dodges), never seen this failure before. Replaced a few for the heating element failing though.
My grid heater went out in my 2007 6.7 and when they removed it to replace it, that nut on the inside was about broke off! I've seen it first hand! And i got lucky!
Real numbers, before and after installation of the Monster on my Ram 2009, 6.7. Low mileage vehicle in excellent condition. 2500 series. Before install, average 13.5 mpg at 70mph, 3.73 gear. Traveled 3000 miles cross country 6 times in same vehicle. Fuel usage 223 gallons at $5.50/ gallon. Fuel cost per trip $1,222. (Average. Variables apply, obviously) After install. $1000 for Ram Monster Intake. Average mileage 17.5 @70mph. That is 33% savings. Fuel usage 171 gallons. Cost $$940.00. Savings $282.2. Payback in miles is 12,019. Or, looking at savings per gallon, that is like buying $5.50 diesel and paying $3.63 per gallon. I used average. I actually saw mpg go as high as 21.6 on flat roads and speed down at 58mph. However, I eliminated the threat of the heater bolt destroying the engine forever. That threat to me was worth the $1000 I paid for the Monster. Remember the Monster still uses the original EGR and is legal everywhere, including CA. BTW, I had the installation done at a local shop for $450, $100 per hour and 4 1/2 hours. Shop loved the mod and had seen the engine damage previously. They did not know a fix has been available. Truck has much better throttle response and is smoother. It’s going on my new 2021 Ram 3500 when warranty runs out. Maybe sooner! For real, not made up.
I had 2000 Durango, pre detonation and had a piston look alot like that! Put one in with motor still in vehicle, dropped oil pan and went un from the bottom👍
Banks needs to stop advertising this as "50 state emissions compliant". As of right now 2007.5-2012 is not emissions compliant in California, and has been shown as "pending" . I have this setup, and it's a very nice improvement, but have yet to pass California emissions, due to there not being a CARB EO number for 2007.5-2012 6.7l Cummins. Great well engineered product, if you don't live in CA, or "know someone" in the smog business that doesn't worry about visual inspection.
Gale and his Team are legendary at exposing the faulty Diesel engine designs, components, and lacklustre manufacturing that still resides in Dodge, Ford and GM respective plants. As consumers this is intolerable, and we should just stop buying their crap. But, as long as there is a market out there willing to throw down a$100G on 24 inch infotainment displays, cameras, trailer backing, and super cruise technologies - with little regard for reliability, longevity, and performance - the big three have got us right by the hairy conniptions.
Love the idea of putting a high flow manifold on any vehicle. This seems like the main solution for a 6.7 Cummins. Can't believe RAM wouldn't have fixed this issue already in their current generation engines. Or have they? I'm leaning towards a pre-emissions 5.9 anyway. But the dream would be a 2021+ 5th gen high output Cummins with Speed of Air pistons and airflow upgrades like this and more.
been a tech for 38 years, and back in the day most diesel engines were bulletproof if you took care of them , things like this make me wonder how they were designed in the first place and how OVER engineered everything is getting
I love the idea. Looks great. Banks has done it again. That being said, I've been a diesel tech for cummins for 6 years and I have never seen this happen. Wondering if it's the extreme cold climate in the west. (Southern Ontario guy here)
Plenty in Alberta where it hits -35 for 3 week stretches. The heater cycles for a good long time after cold start. probably close to 10 minutes sometimes.
This happened to me 2x in Alaska. Both times were in the winter. The only reason it’s not a recall is because it doesn’t happen in the lower 48 where it’s warmer.
My guess is the owners are driving g with the check engine light on for months. I've replace tons of grid heaters under warranty and customer pay seen the. Melted but never to the point the bolt was about to fall out. It happens because the shitty grid heater relay which is just like a Starter relay on a 50-90s Ford and it melts inside and sticks.
It's like the KDP only now it's the KGHB (Killer grid heater bolt). I love Banks man they always have the most well thought out products. I had there turbo setup on my sh*tbox 6.9 idi and it drove me thousands of miles to explore the world with a fully loaded Lance camper on it's back, to work when I was a Marine electrician in Long beach and even drove me away from my crazy family when I needed a F***in break from there crazy. Call me a fan boy but Banks is the best.
The first thing i did on my 2022 3500 was install banks horn kit, pedal monster idash and diff cover, and larger intercooler tubes. No after tubes i discovered could not get oil filter out the traditional method. So installed pacbrake oil filter relocation kit. Next is fuel filter kit.
It nice to see the engineer’s at dodge are screwup’s like the engineers at ford and Chevrolet. Great job To Gale and his team for fixing many problems with these motor issues 👍🏻
It will more likely become a class action lawsuit when enough people have complained or paid into one. Recalls come about by documented and public complains that force the manufacturer to do something in order to fix their reputation and keep sales going. When consumers do nothing than nothing happens.
So, 88% better airflow. Amazing. It's easy to add the same amount of fuel and the power increases by 88%. There is certainly enough demand for such an invention. Expensive and unreliable turbos are no longer needed. This invention revolutionizes the manufacture of aircraft engines and helps piston engines against turbines. I await further information.
As a master and diamond certified international and Cummins engine technician still in the field, I’ve worked for Cummins certified dealers and the distributor itself for over a decade combined, well during the 6.7 product line. I’ve never once seen this failure. Don’t get me wrong I’ve seen plenty of them come apart, just never for this reason.
Had this exact failure 6 months ago at 200k miles. Bent two exhaust valves, crushed top ring land on piston that then scuffed the cylinder. I had the engine pulled and they were able to hone the cylinder, we replaced the piston, wrist pin and connecting rod just to be safe. Cylinder head checked out fine and just had to replace the two valves. While it was apart I upgraded to ARP head studs and of course had the Banks grid heater delete and the Monster Ram intake installed. Truck runs great!! I feel very lucky that the damage was localized to hole number 6 and was able to be repaired. The piston makes for an interesting paper weight on my desk and a reminder how a small 8mm bolt can cost thousands.
@@mobileenginemedics9679 I have a suspicion there is alot of marketing involved with this video. I know of no one who ever had this happen. I would guess that it's a good idea to check this during a maintenance, but not buy some aftermarket product because he tells you to. I'm sure it's a good product.
I lost an engine about 2 years ago but haven't had the funds to fix it yet. I wonder if this has something to do with it? Funny thing is though I had put the Monster Ram on it a couple months previous from loosing a cylinder but didn't get a grid heater delete with it.
Yes siree and at the same time...theres a ton of experts screaming back at us saying "thats how you make them run harder". Those people are the same ones who blow up their engines at some point. I am amazed with the number of "experts" who ignore an overly rich fuel mixture and say they know what they are doing.
@@Garth2011 been “rolling coal” for 500k miles. When is it going to blow up?? U realize older diesels don’t have advanced computers and injection systems? Can’t “tune out” pre spool
I’m definitely going to be ordering this from my new truck when it comes in the only question I have is will it avoid the warranty keep up the videos I love watching everyone of them
My diesel shop ran into that same problem on someone's truck and just dug the bolt out of the piston and shaved .006 off the head put it back together and it was good to go.
There was mention in the comments about a class action suite, but if it's that well known a problem I would expect Cummins and the vehicle manufacturers to have it as a service repair item - that would move the onus onto the mechanic/shop doing the service for not doing it, especially if it were a dealership, and the action should/would be against them? that said, I'd be interested to know what material the bolt, nut, etc were made of as it would seem a simple upgrade to a good SS fastener assembly would prevent the failure and a big concern for Cummins' good name?
@Stay Asleep Depends on the stainless alloy, there are several common ones used. That said, why I haven't personally had a problem with SS in other applications, doesn't mean there couldn't be issues here
@Stay Asleep Again, there are many different grades of SS fasteners, with different yield and elongation characteristics - what I think you mean by "mallable", which is different again, meaning easily formed. If you've had problems, either it's the wrong grade/alloy used, an incorrect size, and/or an incorrect application - sometimes you just have to accept a limited service life. It's a little long, and 'techie', but you may find this of interest - nickelinstitute.org/media/4656/ni_aisi_9003_fastenersselection.pdf And there's this supplier who has a much greater range of SS options than I was aware of, if you go down to the last paragraph - itafasteners.com/4-benefits-of-stainless-steel-fasteners.php
Could it they have used a coil style heater that threads in from the top or the side of the stock intake horn like Banks. Or a bigger or dual old school glow plugs? That grid inside like that is just asking for something to go wrong. Cummins makes the engines but RAM outfits them to work in their trucks with all the emissions stuff piled on.
If your engine has experienced this failure please make sure your shop is filing a claim with Cummins or else there is no way for us to track this problem. If there are enough verifiable claims we would investigate and issue a service plan available through your local service center that would correct it.
Not as prone to happen l I ke they make it out to be. The ones that do have that happen are operating in very cold climates where the grid heater is cycling several times. Follow the power wire from the grid heater back to the solenoid and disconnect it from there. It won't cycling any more so no worries. Just plug it up when it gets cold and you're good to go.
If and when you get one do yourself a giant favor and don’t buy one unless it has the Aisin transmission. The 68RFE makes the Cummins worthless with all the torque management bullcrap designed to protect the non-heavy duty transmission.
Thank you for this information. Order placed and will just have to explain to the "boss" why this purchase was important. Pay little now or alot later.
Has that coil heater been fully tested to failure? What is the recommended replacement time for the coil heater? I see the same issue with the coil heater as the grid heater.
The coil heater is almost the same as a Duramax and are known to be pretty reliable. I have the monster ram on my 2012 and I live in New England and it gets pretty cold here some times. It works just as good as the stock grid heater without the fear of destroying your motor
The intake flowing higher is great and all but what do you do about the intake log? Removing the heater plate will help but the head casting is what it is. So what can be done about it besides cutting it off and installing a side draft manifold?
How does your updated coil heater not be suspect to breaking off and going into cylinder as well? Doesn’t it get hot and live in the same sooted environment?
Hopefully Banks answers this question, it might not draw as many amps. Part of the problem with the factory one is it can arc from the bolt which weakens it.
It does look flimsy in comparison. Those tiny coils could become brittle and break off. Why not use an old school glow plug instead? I think lots of people are buying those intake horns for gains and possible preventative engine failure but the new style heater doesn’t look like it’s not prone to failure as well. If that breaks off from so many cycles won’t we be in the same predicament. What’s the new style coil heater made out of? How many cycles is it good for? What’s the warranty cover and is Banks gonna buy a new engine if it does break and cause damage?
im a new ram 1500 owner and just picked up my truck 3 days ago....any recommends for must upgrades other than running boards, bed covers, and wheels/tires? id like to customize and personalize it but im not sure where to start. its the v6 vortec engine and i upgraded from a stock ford ranger that i ran for years and years and years haha so this is quite a big upgrade for me and i love it so far
recently installed the banks monster intake and boost tubes on my 2020. I was not aware of the bolt issue, but makes it even better that I got this done. noticable throttle response improvement, slight fuel economy increase. With the prices now ($2.02 per liter or $7.75 a gallon). It seems quicker but I dont need this one to be a hot rod..already blew up my 2011 once
So how many miles on the truck? That heating element doesn't look like it is going to do near as good of a job as the stock one. At 20 below F, could that cause other problems?
Not talking crap I work for Chrysler have for 16 years and yet to have seen this failure. But it is interesting to see that. Almost seems like it would be a recall as it can cause you to loose power and cause an accident as the recall notice says.
I replace tons of those grid heaters I've never seen the bolt go inside the engine. My question is how long did they drive with the check engine light on?
How reliable is that new coil type heater? If the element eventually burns out, do the coils break up into pieces that get into the valves and cylinders? Fyi, I already bought and installed the monster ram in my 6.7 Cummins about 6 months ago and that heater gets a lot of use during our cold winters.
I know a guy that his relay stuck on, burned up the new banks heater and the element fell into the engine causing the same issue. There needs to be a heater that cant fall into the engine at failure.
When I bought my truck with 200,000 miles it had a blown head gasket and installed a Monster Ram at the same time. The shop said my grid heater fell apart when they touched it to pull it out.
Here at the utility company I work at we've already lost about 1/4 of our motors to this.
Well you know what to put on the other 3/4
What was the average mileage on the 1/4 of the fleet that experienced this failure?
@@utboilerman ya I mean no one wants to spend a couple hundred or thousand more one something you spent like $60 k plus but it is basically a drop in the bucket
Pretty awful and know it was planned this way too. I have a 5.9 and no problems
.25 of how many? .25% of 5 is a lot, but .25% of 50 is not as bad.
I'm a true mopar fan boy but manufacturers need to be held accountable for crap like this
Class action lawsuits are sometimes quite necessary.
How long does this take because they said corrosion right I mean if so and obviously it's a known thing it doesn't seem like replacing it or going with the banks solution is any more of a manufacturer thing than a timing belt you have to replace every 100k
Technically not MOPAR tho, in this particular piece. Cummins should be slapped for this actually
5 year 100k warranty covers that. Maybe get your vehicle looked at when the check engine light comes on instead of driving it until it explodes. I've been. Working for FCA for 9 years. I've never seen that failure I've replaced tons of grid heaters.
@@customconnections2425 is the engine supposed to last until the end of time? That's actually a pretty rare failure. Worked for Chrysler 9 years never had one of those failures in the shop.
My grid heater bolt came off in the mechanics hand during Monster Ram installation. I was watching as it happened. I was extremely lucky. Don't wait. Change it out .
Should this be replaced on brand new trucks under warranty?
@@1Peter321no
What year was your truck
@@1Peter321 no only when the truck has over 150k miles
@@greygoose4x46 2013 to 2018
Bought mine yesterday. Waiting for it to come in. Unbelievable that the stock grid heater was even designed that way. Mind Blowing.
You have any updates on your Cummings from BANKS?? (2019 ram 2500)
Does it run better ?
Just got my monster installed yesterday, you can really notice a difference in power. The first one I ordered fedex lost i called up Banks and they had another one sent out immediately. Im a BANKS for life customer. Thanks a million, keep up the good work guys and gals
What do they cost ?
Do I need to do a egr delete for banks install?
@@vicpapagiorgio Get on their website and look, jackass.
Been a Banks follower since 95. Stay healthy Gale and keep'em coming. You are an irreplaceable legend.
No better person on the planet hell yes to Mr. Banks !!
He reminds me of Carol Shelby genius legend innovation in automotive. RIP
I've just purchased a new 23 3500 dually 4x4 maga cab and now have 700 miles on it. This upgrade will be done immediately. I love the power of this 6.7 now, can't wait to feel what this adds.
Did you do it ?
Thanks Mr.Banks! I have a 2015 Ram 3500 4x4 Dually Aisin trans with 6.7 HO engine with 60k miles on it and had it since new off the dealer lot. Last year I removed the wire feeding the grid heater so there was no way it could energize.
Yesterday I started installing your Monster Ram and almost finished. I have the Monster Ram prepared to go in this morning and put the crossover pipe back on and that's it and I'll be finished.
Thanks for making a complete kit down to the injector and fuel rail plugs. This kit is very nice and complete. Thanks for making this solution to resolve the grid bolt issue. I'm 61 and plan on this being my last truck unless I hit the lotto. Thanks again Mr.Banks I like all your product there are always of the highest quality!!!
I have the same truck only 51k was your bolt really bad ? It was it still ok ?
No my bolt was still tight,but I didn't want to chance a failure of my own. I know of a few guys that there's weren't tight and headed towards failure.
I had to move in from the 6.7 when the def system failed 3 times in 28k miles. Parts couldn’t be found or ordered for 4 months. Loved the truck, just couldn’t wait
What happened to it? Mine has 300k miles and haven’t had problems as much
Some good ole boys from Kamloops, BC helping out Gale Banks to explain this issue, how cool! 😎👊🏻
7:07 amazing shot, ive never gone for a ride on a piston before 🤩
I am in MD and HD industry I claim warranty all day long on cleaning the intake it's very common for the grid heater to plug up solid. Have not seen many bolt failures but I see the superiority in Bank's design
Will the Banks part work on an MD/HD vehicle?
@@ronunderwood5771 doubt due to positioning of cac tubing
Curious why this sounds like a 6.7L issue, and not also 5.9L?
Thank you for this video! This has been a time-bomb for so many Gen-4 Ram/Cummins owners.
My Cummins experienced this failure 6 months ago at 200k miles. I consider myself lucky that it only bent 2 exhaust valves and imbedded in the top of the piston. Crushed the top ring land so it scuffed the cylinder wall but was able to be honed out. Cylinder head and guides checked out fine. Obviously the Banks grid heater delete and Monster Ram intake went back on so should
Why is this more prone on the 6.7L?
YUP!!! Did my Banks monster ram upgrade about 35.000 miles ago. After seeing this video I ordered it and installed it myself.
What a relief!!! The cost was nothing compared to engine failure. Piece of mind, PRICELESS!!!
How much was it
Incredible that this problem hasn't been acknowledged by RAM and people are still losing engines to it. Good for Gale and his air intake business, not ao much for the unsuspecting customers who had to replace their engines. Goes to show what a master engineer like Gale can come up with
Banks is the BEST in the diesel business...you can take that to the bank!!!
Just another reason to rely on Banks. I had the intake installed by Banks a month after it's release. I'm towing a fifth wheel and it's been great.
Thanks Mr Banks I had a great experience with the sales department Chuck hooked it up and now I have everything y’all make for my Cummins 6.7L I hope it lasts a lot longer now that I am upgrading everything. Now the last thing now will be a upgraded turbo and upgraded 48RFE trans. After all that in to a 52 gallon tank
Bought this kit for my wife's 2018 Ram 2500 6.7L. When the kit showed up, the truck was at the dealer for an emissions warranty issue. When it came out from the dealer. My time window to work on the installation was gone. I had a scheduled surgery. And hope that the last day or two of my time off from work. Will allow me to Install this kit along with the iDash.
I gotta get my daughter and son-in-law to buy this kit for their 2018 3500 6.7L. A friend's son had the bolt failure. And is out $15k for a dealer repair. Has to drive his old truck to continue to run his business.
At how many miles do you think I should change mine to banks I’m at 30k miles right now do I need to tune it after or egr delete too?
@qalv97 - Your engine has an 8 year 80,000 mile emissions warranty. Fuel quality is an issue with diesels. I run HOT SHOTS SECRET EDT at every fill up. That helps keep the emissions system clean and allows better fuel economy. Do the Bank's Monster Ram Elbow as soon as possible to preserve your engine.
Even though I don't have a diesel anything, I find you videos very informative. Also your products seem to be well tested and money smart. I see so many diesel owners pouring out black smoke, while you seem to improve power with less smoke. I have even see "farmers" with their tractors blowing smoke. I can't imagine how much they increase their fuel bill and how much they are harming their engines. Anything to get on UA-cam!
@mranonymous3670 good ol KDP. Super easy preventative fix though.
Gale you are an absolute legend. I'm a grease monkey and hope to someday learn a quarter of the things you have forgotten. I'm hoping to get to the point maybe this year to do a pedal monster on my 21 Cummins. Maybe next year do the monster ram. Want to thank you for being who you are. Definitely 1 in a million
There are two giant questions this video does not cover:
1) How well does the coil heater work? How cold can ambient temps get before the less effective heater becomes a problem?
2) What is the failure rate of the coil in relation to the grid heater bolt? I see a metal coil that will repeatedly heat and cool for years. If it fails, its going into the intake just as the bolt does. Common sense tells me its MORE likely to fall apart than the factory bolt.
Lastly, does a deleted truck have the same risk, or does the delete remove the conditions that cause the corrosion failure in the first place?
All I can say is I have it on my truck and I live in New England and it works just as well as the factory grid heater. A regular delete doesn't remove it it's under the intake horn and really blocks air flow. It is definitely worth the money and it's really not that hard to do. I did mine in 5 hours with no leaks or anything
well id imagine just like glow plugs of old has to be replaced every so often thats just common sense. as far as cold starting if live in cold climate should already have a block heater and winter fuel oil aka #1 deiseal.
@@alexlindekugel8727 I don't live in a cold climate but I do off grid camping in cold climate at times.
I know this reply is late... I recently did the grid heater delete, I think it feels a little more powerful, and the mpg is up a little. But the cold starts are much worse than when it had a grid heater. Hopefully it won't have the same problem with the coil breaking off and ending up in the engine. It thought the same thing when I installed it.
Just installed this on my old 2009. New heater coil works great out here in western Canada!
What Temps are you seeing in the winter. I've been contemplating this but heard rumors the glow plug doesn't work that good in -20⁰C nevermind -40⁰C. What's your thoughts ?
I see weeks of minus 40C, sometimes down minus 60C on the prairies. At that point, you have to have the block heater plugged in, battery blankets, strong batteries and so forth. It's always started but takes a bit longer to smooth out versus the grid heater. When it's really cold I'll cycle the key a few times for half a minute to warm as much air as possible if the truck has been sitting a long time. Other than that, it's always started. Never started then stalled and have to try again.
Do not forget to replace the intake air heater solenoid, your different style intake air heater may be able to hold up to The relay continuing to fail but The Mopar intake solenoid is the reason why the Cummins intake manifold heater fails.
You could get by with just replacing the solenoid as a preemptive, but I highly recommend doing both the banks ram and the solenoid
Can you expand on the solenoid problem?. What do you look for to fail the solenoid when its still functional
@@cookingwithjesus Problem is it sticks ON. Other thing is unless it is cold outside, you dont even need a grid heater. I start my 5.9 Cummins without waiting and it will start right up even very cold outside too. I mean if it is freezing out, it may crank longer.
could we just unplug the solenoid so it never runs again? will it give a check engine light?
@@Da9guy1993 you can unbolt the stud off of the solenoid to the heater and leave the solenoid plugged in otherwise, The ECM will still receive the resistance through the coil thinking it's still hooked up. There is an updated part number for that relay through Dodge. But I also do like the idea of this intake system if I had one of these myself just for that gain of efficiency Make the turbo work less
@@Da9guy1993 yes, it will trigger the light. engine will still start if in good condition. It may crank longer if it is really cold outside.
What you can do is connect a dummy load to the wires to fool the computer.
Gale is awesome. And Banks is a company you can trust 100%. Need more fellas like him.
I read about this a couple months ago when I replaced my grid heater relay .I never knew this was a thing until reading on that relay I immediately went out and wiggled the bolt stud on the heater luckily it's tight but I beleive we will.be going this route for prevention I only use my ram as a toe rig for my crawler I'm not looking lose an engine for a heater bolt ...I've removed everything else on the 6.7 from factory that cuts engine life and turbo life down with EFI live ...no smoke all clean tunes you'd never know it was just a straight pipe from turbo back besides the decibels ...lol
No smoke? I’d be interested because deleted of emissions on these almost always creates soot which is low hanging fruit for DOT cops an other agencies looking to bust a deleted truck.
@@josemejia6645 The tunes are generic but I don't know who the person is that tuned that batch of csp 5 but they certainly don't over fuel like a lot of trucks I see .
Great tip.
Thanks for sharing.
I for one, owning a 6.7 needs to make this change.
Thank you Mr.Banks.
Take care, EM.
I wondering why this is more prone on the 6.7L?
Have had 100s of 6.7s Cummins come through the shop(not in the dodges), never seen this failure before. Replaced a few for the heating element failing though.
My grid heater went out in my 2007 6.7 and when they removed it to replace it, that nut on the inside was about broke off! I've seen it first hand! And i got lucky!
Thanks for the heads up, I have a 2008, guess I will tear into mine and have a close look, maybe just replace the bolts all together.
Real numbers, before and after installation of the Monster on my Ram 2009, 6.7. Low mileage vehicle in excellent condition. 2500 series.
Before install, average 13.5 mpg at 70mph, 3.73 gear. Traveled 3000 miles cross country 6 times in same vehicle. Fuel usage 223 gallons at $5.50/ gallon. Fuel cost per trip $1,222. (Average. Variables apply, obviously)
After install. $1000 for Ram Monster Intake. Average mileage 17.5 @70mph. That is 33% savings. Fuel usage 171 gallons. Cost $$940.00. Savings $282.2.
Payback in miles is 12,019. Or, looking at savings per gallon, that is like buying $5.50 diesel and paying $3.63 per gallon.
I used average. I actually saw mpg go as high as 21.6 on flat roads and speed down at 58mph.
However, I eliminated the threat of the heater bolt destroying the engine forever.
That threat to me was worth the $1000 I paid for the Monster. Remember the Monster still uses the original EGR and is legal everywhere, including CA.
BTW, I had the installation done at a local shop for $450, $100 per hour and 4 1/2 hours. Shop loved the mod and had seen the engine damage previously. They did not know a fix has been available. Truck has much better throttle response and is smoother.
It’s going on my new 2021 Ram 3500 when warranty runs out. Maybe sooner!
For real, not made up.
Gale is the DIESEL GURU , love your videos
That seems more like a class action lemon design. Good thing there is a readily available update and improvement.
Hey Gail. I'll get one when I can. For now let's hope that bolt stays put. What a crappy feeling 😂
I had 2000 Durango, pre detonation and had a piston look alot like that! Put one in with motor still in vehicle, dropped oil pan and went un from the bottom👍
All I want to say is Thank God for Mr. Banks, God bless you 🙏❤
Banks needs to stop advertising this as "50 state emissions compliant". As of right now 2007.5-2012 is not emissions compliant in California, and has been shown as "pending" . I have this setup, and it's a very nice improvement, but have yet to pass California emissions, due to there not being a CARB EO number for 2007.5-2012 6.7l Cummins. Great well engineered product, if you don't live in CA, or "know someone" in the smog business that doesn't worry about visual inspection.
Gale and his Team are legendary at exposing the faulty Diesel engine designs, components, and lacklustre manufacturing that still resides in Dodge, Ford and GM respective plants. As consumers this is intolerable, and we should just stop buying their crap.
But, as long as there is a market out there willing to throw down a$100G on 24 inch infotainment displays, cameras, trailer backing, and super cruise technologies - with little regard for reliability, longevity, and performance - the big three have got us right by the hairy conniptions.
I had this banks intake, put on my 67 Cummins at 4000 miles totally deleted, mechanic said, that is the life of these motors
Love the idea of putting a high flow manifold on any vehicle. This seems like the main solution for a 6.7 Cummins. Can't believe RAM wouldn't have fixed this issue already in their current generation engines. Or have they? I'm leaning towards a pre-emissions 5.9 anyway. But the dream would be a 2021+ 5th gen high output Cummins with Speed of Air pistons and airflow upgrades like this and more.
Eye opener, and to call it a diesel engine is almost an insult, pathetic. At least Mr Banks hasn’t given up yet, thanks Gale for your innovation!
been a tech for 38 years, and back in the day most diesel engines were bulletproof if you took care of them , things like this make me wonder how they were designed in the first place and how OVER engineered everything is getting
I love the idea. Looks great. Banks has done it again. That being said, I've been a diesel tech for cummins for 6 years and I have never seen this happen. Wondering if it's the extreme cold climate in the west. (Southern Ontario guy here)
Plenty in Alberta where it hits -35 for 3 week stretches. The heater cycles for a good long time after cold start. probably close to 10 minutes sometimes.
I’m in the Southeastern U.S., is this something I need to be concerned about immediately? 2012 Dodge dually with 122k miles
This happened to me 2x in Alaska. Both times were in the winter. The only reason it’s not a recall is because it doesn’t happen in the lower 48 where it’s warmer.
My guess is the owners are driving g with the check engine light on for months. I've replace tons of grid heaters under warranty and customer pay seen the. Melted but never to the point the bolt was about to fall out. It happens because the shitty grid heater relay which is just like a Starter relay on a 50-90s Ford and it melts inside and sticks.
@@fabricatorgeneralcaz534 I would be pulling and checking it at the very least!
Another death pin!! OMG. I'm telling everyone about this. Thank you Banks!!
This video just made me buy a Monster Ram intake.
It's like the KDP only now it's the KGHB (Killer grid heater bolt). I love Banks man they always have the most well thought out products. I had there turbo setup on my sh*tbox 6.9 idi and it drove me thousands of miles to explore the world with a fully loaded Lance camper on it's back, to work when I was a Marine electrician in Long beach and even drove me away from my crazy family when I needed a F***in break from there crazy. Call me a fan boy but Banks is the best.
The first thing i did on my 2022 3500 was install banks horn kit, pedal monster idash and diff cover, and larger intercooler tubes. No after tubes i discovered could not get oil filter out the traditional method. So installed pacbrake oil filter relocation kit. Next is fuel filter kit.
Should there be a recall,or class action Lawsuit?
Gale Banks,, still THE MAN .
It nice to see the engineer’s at dodge are screwup’s like the engineers at ford and Chevrolet. Great job To Gale and his team for fixing many problems with these motor issues 👍🏻
Don't forget Harley, when you buy one of those you need to go thru and change out parts to make it bullet proof,
I just can’t believe there hasn’t been a recall on this yet.
It will more likely become a class action lawsuit when enough people have complained or paid into one. Recalls come about by documented and public complains that force the manufacturer to do something in order to fix their reputation and keep sales going. When consumers do nothing than nothing happens.
Banks is always so innovative! Love it
Thanks for the video and I would love to see you build a Cummins in the shop.
So, 88% better airflow. Amazing. It's easy to add the same amount of fuel and the power increases by 88%. There is certainly enough demand for such an invention. Expensive and unreliable turbos are no longer needed. This invention revolutionizes the manufacture of aircraft engines and helps piston engines against turbines. I await further information.
Has this happened to your RAM 6.7L? If so, how bad was the damage?
As a master and diamond certified international and Cummins engine technician still in the field, I’ve worked for Cummins certified dealers and the distributor itself for over a decade combined, well during the 6.7 product line. I’ve never once seen this failure. Don’t get me wrong I’ve seen plenty of them come apart, just never for this reason.
Had this exact failure 6 months ago at 200k miles. Bent two exhaust valves, crushed top ring land on piston that then scuffed the cylinder. I had the engine pulled and they were able to hone the cylinder, we replaced the piston, wrist pin and connecting rod just to be safe. Cylinder head checked out fine and just had to replace the two valves. While it was apart I upgraded to ARP head studs and of course had the Banks grid heater delete and the Monster Ram intake installed. Truck runs great!! I feel very lucky that the damage was localized to hole number 6 and was able to be repaired. The piston makes for an interesting paper weight on my desk and a reminder how a small 8mm bolt can cost thousands.
@@mobileenginemedics9679 I have a suspicion there is alot of marketing involved with this video. I know of no one who ever had this happen. I would guess that it's a good idea to check this during a maintenance, but not buy some aftermarket product because he tells you to. I'm sure it's a good product.
I lost an engine about 2 years ago but haven't had the funds to fix it yet. I wonder if this has something to do with it? Funny thing is though I had put the Monster Ram on it a couple months previous from loosing a cylinder but didn't get a grid heater delete with it.
Gale Banks was the man who taught me to cuss whenever I see a Diesel belching black smoke. "Bad goddamn tuning."
Yes siree and at the same time...theres a ton of experts screaming back at us saying "thats how you make them run harder". Those people are the same ones who blow up their engines at some point. I am amazed with the number of "experts" who ignore an overly rich fuel mixture and say they know what they are doing.
A STOCK truck would roll coal without the DPF.
@@Garth2011 been “rolling coal” for 500k miles. When is it going to blow up?? U realize older diesels don’t have advanced computers and injection systems? Can’t “tune out” pre spool
Btw the way, my 3rd gen rolls coal with a full banks kit, no other mods 🤦♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@dougn6465 Still, its poorly mixed fuel and air. No benefits yielded with black unburned soot.
I’m definitely going to be ordering this from my new truck when it comes in the only question I have is will it avoid the warranty keep up the videos I love watching everyone of them
Glad I had banks install this on my Cummins thank you gale banks
My diesel shop ran into that same problem on someone's truck and just dug the bolt out of the piston and shaved .006 off the head put it back together and it was good to go.
What is it with Cummins and having bolts/ dowels fall into their engines
First was the killer dowel pin in the timing cover now this
There was mention in the comments about a class action suite, but if it's that well known a problem I would expect Cummins and the vehicle manufacturers to have it as a service repair item - that would move the onus onto the mechanic/shop doing the service for not doing it, especially if it were a dealership, and the action should/would be against them?
that said, I'd be interested to know what material the bolt, nut, etc were made of as it would seem a simple upgrade to a good SS fastener assembly would prevent the failure and a big concern for Cummins' good name?
@Stay Asleep
Depends on the stainless alloy, there are several common ones used.
That said, why I haven't personally had a problem with SS in other applications, doesn't mean there couldn't be issues here
@Stay Asleep
Again, there are many different grades of SS fasteners, with different yield and elongation characteristics - what I think you mean by "mallable", which is different again, meaning easily formed.
If you've had problems, either it's the wrong grade/alloy used, an incorrect size, and/or an incorrect application - sometimes you just have to accept a limited service life.
It's a little long, and 'techie', but you may find this of interest - nickelinstitute.org/media/4656/ni_aisi_9003_fastenersselection.pdf
And there's this supplier who has a much greater range of SS options than I was aware of, if you go down to the last paragraph - itafasteners.com/4-benefits-of-stainless-steel-fasteners.php
Could it they have used a coil style heater that threads in from the top or the side of the stock intake horn like Banks. Or a bigger or dual old school glow plugs? That grid inside like that is just asking for something to go wrong. Cummins makes the engines but RAM outfits them to work in their trucks with all the emissions stuff piled on.
If your engine has experienced this failure please make sure your shop is filing a claim with Cummins or else there is no way for us to track this problem. If there are enough verifiable claims we would investigate and issue a service plan available through your local service center that would correct it.
how cold can temps get before coil spring heater become ineffective?
I already did that upgrade in addition to the cold air intake and boos tubes. Seeing a difference in over 4mpg while towing.
@@Motleymick is a 2021 ram 3500 dually. It has the aisin transmission and I have the 4:10 gears
@@marlonhernandez706 so I get up to bc periodically. I have 2020 and a 2022. How much is this all going to cost me? 😂
Wow, that's good. What about regular driving (not towing)?
Definitely will need to do this at some point. Any word on when the Derringer for '13-'18 Cummins will release?
This is just amazing. Gale banks is God. He can make power more efficiently and prevent failures. Is there anything he can't do ?
Got one sitting in the garage, await to be put on, but I’d really like to know when we are getting the derringer and exhaust….
i still want a Ram with a Cummins, but that is scary. I'm amazed Dodge/Ram and Cummins have not be forced to issue a recall for this.
Not as prone to happen l I ke they make it out to be. The ones that do have that happen are operating in very cold climates where the grid heater is cycling several times. Follow the power wire from the grid heater back to the solenoid and disconnect it from there. It won't cycling any more so no worries. Just plug it up when it gets cold and you're good to go.
If and when you get one do yourself a giant favor and don’t buy one unless it has the Aisin transmission. The 68RFE makes the Cummins worthless with all the torque management bullcrap designed to protect the non-heavy duty transmission.
Thank you for this information. Order placed and will just have to explain to the "boss" why this purchase was important. Pay little now or alot later.
Just don't tell her a stainless steel bolt to replace the original will also solve the problem! 😂
Has that coil heater been fully tested to failure? What is the recommended replacement time for the coil heater? I see the same issue with the coil heater as the grid heater.
The coil heater is almost the same as a Duramax and are known to be pretty reliable. I have the monster ram on my 2012 and I live in New England and it gets pretty cold here some times. It works just as good as the stock grid heater without the fear of destroying your motor
The intake flowing higher is great and all but what do you do about the intake log? Removing the heater plate will help but the head casting is what it is. So what can be done about it besides cutting it off and installing a side draft manifold?
How does your updated coil heater not be suspect to breaking off and going into cylinder as well? Doesn’t it get hot and live in the same sooted environment?
Exact same thing I was thinking. They need to make a screen that will catch it if this does happen
Hopefully Banks answers this question, it might not draw as many amps. Part of the problem with the factory one is it can arc from the bolt which weakens it.
It does look flimsy in comparison. Those tiny coils could become brittle and break off. Why not use an old school glow plug instead? I think lots of people are buying those intake horns for gains and possible preventative engine failure but the new style heater doesn’t look like it’s not prone to failure as well. If that breaks off from so many cycles won’t we be in the same predicament. What’s the new style coil heater made out of? How many cycles is it good for? What’s the warranty cover and is Banks gonna buy a new engine if it does break and cause damage?
@@josemejia6645 That's a duramax grid heater coil banks is using and they have been in use for ages without issue.
Can the new heater coil rust/corrode and fall into the intake causing the same problem?
im a new ram 1500 owner and just picked up my truck 3 days ago....any recommends for must upgrades other than running boards, bed covers, and wheels/tires? id like to customize and personalize it but im not sure where to start. its the v6 vortec engine and i upgraded from a stock ford ranger that i ran for years and years and years haha so this is quite a big upgrade for me and i love it so far
Wow, that bolt fatigue design should generate a lot of Monster RAM intake sales just because !
I swear Amazon had this product for around $500 like 7 months ago, are they cashing in on loyal fans and new members like myself?
The modern day Killer Dowel Pin.
Gale is a true legend!
Banks makes the best stuff!!!
So this does not hinder a shop or dealer tech from working on the truck if it has problems on the road?
recently installed the banks monster intake and boost tubes on my 2020. I was not aware of the bolt issue, but makes it even better that I got this done.
noticable throttle response improvement, slight fuel economy increase. With the prices now ($2.02 per liter or $7.75 a gallon). It seems quicker but I dont need this one to be a hot rod..already blew up my 2011 once
Are we EVER going to see the Derringer for the newer Rams?
That coils very thin though. With heat cycles could get very weak and break off. What’s to stop it?
I've only seen brass fasteners in the intake tract. My motorcycle swallowed a butterfly bolt, but pretty sure it went through exhaust.
Note to self remove grid heater
So how many miles on the truck? That heating element doesn't look like it is going to do near as good of a job as the stock one. At 20 below F, could that cause other problems?
Good idea, but who is say the new coil heater assembly doesn't have the same flaw when it fails?
Is this failure on all cummins 6.7 engines? I have the B103 6.7 (euro6)
Ouch. Makes you wonder if oem’s are designing bad on purpose. Hot rodding saves the day again👍👍
Probably will prevent failure but forgot to mention will it prevent warranty? slight modification to engine does that.....
I learned something new, i didnt know grid heaters exist. My car has glowplugs
Not talking crap I work for Chrysler have for 16 years and yet to have seen this failure. But it is interesting to see that. Almost seems like it would be a recall as it can cause you to loose power and cause an accident as the recall notice says.
Everyone relying on ram cummins need to do this mod.
I replace tons of those grid heaters I've never seen the bolt go inside the engine. My question is how long did they drive with the check engine light on?
I agree, if that assembly was loose it would have been creating some sort of amp draw above spec and should have indicated a trouble code for it.
Are there any other required modifications with this installation?
Looks like a nice product. For a $1000 I think I can keep the nut captive and out of the cylinder.
How reliable is that new coil type heater? If the element eventually burns out, do the coils break up into pieces that get into the valves and cylinders? Fyi, I already bought and installed the monster ram in my 6.7 Cummins about 6 months ago and that heater gets a lot of use during our cold winters.
I know a guy that his relay stuck on, burned up the new banks heater and the element fell into the engine causing the same issue. There needs to be a heater that cant fall into the engine at failure.
When I bought my truck with 200,000 miles it had a blown head gasket and installed a Monster Ram at the same time. The shop said my grid heater fell apart when they touched it to pull it out.
If this guy was president
America would be great again!
U got my vote sir
Amazing I can’t wait to own my 3500 I got a 1500 rn half way through paying it off
Is there any diesel shops near Houston Texas that can install banks equipment.
The only down side i see is if something happens to the heater coil it will fall down the intake same as the bolt