So I don't know if you know by now or not, but Tim Duncan does NOT have the highest win percentage of "any athlete ever". That statement is plain wrong and I don't know where I came up with it. He does have the highest win % of any athlete since 1997, but that's not "ever". This was my first video though, so please forgive my dumbness.
It's a top vid dont be harsh on yourself my good man and it's well appreciated am working my way through the series am hoping for a allen Iverson episode he my bball goat with the bird man and magic.. thanks for the awesome slam dunk of a series and job well done 🤟🤟
Great video but my 1 critique I don’t think it’s a long shot for manu and tony to make the hall of fame. I think it’s just going to depend on who is eligible with them. Prime example this year against Tim kg and Kobe naw they wouldn’t make it. But any other year there’s a strong case. They both got 4 rings tony has a finals mvp and manu is regarded as one of the best 6th men ever. Not that I’m over hyping them either but I think their name carry just enough weight to get them there in a reasonable amount of time
I'd say, that's the point why he is NOT the goat. Rings are a big part of a discussion, but it's far from everything. What about thrilling people? "The greatest" is not the same as "the most efficient"...
@@Zett76 Duncan is not even the the most efficient. Kobe for most of his career was a more efficient scorer than Tim Duncan. Steph Curry is miles away more efficient at scoring than Duncan....
@Joshua Hunter Tim Duncan was never universally recognized as the best player in the league...how can he be considered one of the candidates for greatest of all time?
@@seabookarno123 nah i really think it is due to the nature of basketball where individual performance matters soooo much matter. just compare it to football where plays include 22 players no matter what. clutch moments in basketball are exclusively an individualistic feat (I'd say 99% of the time). just my opinion
This actually moved me, and made me appreciate this man so much more. The man has been sitting there under our noses for so long, hiding in plain sight. Exactly the way he’d want it. A coach’s dream
If you adjust his stats to per 36 minutes play, he had been remarkably consistent and average about 20 points 10 rebounds or near every season. People dont remember how athletic he used to be before busting a knee so he'd literally been playing with a handicap for like 14 years
@@wanamirulafiq2530 you could say from a physical standpoint, 2000-2005 was his window of his "peak" but his fundamentals are so rooted that he's remained consistent and that's absolutely insane
This vid made me cry. Tim was my favorite athlete in my entire childhood. Many would scoff if I called him the GOAT but there was no player I wanted to be more like than Tim Duncan. I'm no pro basketball player, but I try to approach my life towards people the way I saw Tim Duncan approach his peers. He was an incredible basketball player, but an even better leader and role model. He inspires me in many ways. Thanks for making this video.
The 2000's Spurs were the hipsters of the NBA. Shooting fast break 3's before it was cool. Explosive point guards like Tony Parker who'd slash the defense a new one much like most slashers these days, Timmy D was basically the modern day big except the guy was a defensive juggernaut. And then there's Manu. Everything that's cool in the NBA now, Manu was doing it 20 years ago.
Tim Duncan is the most underrated great player ever. He is by far one of the best of all time but NEVER gets mentioned due to him being sooo humble and unassuming.
Duncan *did* have a dominant peak in 2003 when he was League MVP, Finals MVP, and closed out the Finals with a near quadruple double. He was arguably the best all-around player from 1999-2007, with the only exception being in 2000 when he had knee surgery and Shaq briefly took the throne.
@@jackbrumbaugh339 Depends on what you mean by "better." I will concede 2000 and '01 to Shaq since he was the champ and FMVP - but Duncan outplayed him in '99 and '03, and he had knee surgery in 2000. And he was carrying a team of scrubs in '01 and '02.
To imagine that Tim could have had 6 or 7 chips due to the fact that a couple times the coin of fate didn’t fall in his favor with key plays or scenarios is mind boggling.
@@ultimateyagerman They we’re literally tied even with Game 3 being one of the most corruptly officiated games for the Spurs, Suns lost game 5 without Stoudemire and Diaw by 3
@@drasconboy6349 so what all San Antonio needed to do was win game 5 or 7 and there was the given game 6 that would win no matter what Just face it, it doesn't matter if they won game 5 when they would have lost game 7 anyways
@Wally Reyes Definitely massive respect to David Robinson. I'm a lifetime spurs fan so I'll always love The Admiral but being born in '98 Timmy, Manu, and Tony were just the guys when I was coming up. They're all undeniably amazing in my eyes though it's like picking between favorite children. even when my rational basketball mind knows its Duncan>Robinson>Ginobili>Parker they and Pop were all such a fun classy act to watch every night and I'll never forget watching all my old grandmas from SA losing their minds on the couch every game night this team has been a blessing to watch for at least 2 decades and even now they're fun
Yeah. Tim was never flashy, never on the front page or anything. But he was a talented player, stayed loyal to his team, and won alot of championships. Not much else you can ask for.
This entire series is amazing but your case for Duncan is honestly the strongest. If you care about winning and team basketball, you want The Big Fundamental -Sincerely, a Kobe fanboy
Literally my favorite player of all time. The big 3 will go down as one of the greatest trios of all time. I saw this meme that said quote "stopped the Lakers from 4-peating stopped the heat from 3-peating and stopped the pistons from repeating. That's 2 dynasties and 1 potential dynasty that fell go Tim Duncan" GOAT status confirmed
Exactly! You place those numbers those accomplishments, those chips and his achievements on any other player in any other market and this is a different story, legendary
@@AD-ur1fk he absolutely was. He mopped the best player every chance he got. He should be be considered clutch like Kobe, he hit nasty shots every run. He made Kobe and Lebron, and all the lakers cry.
Pop's words got my heart touched. I've never seen a relationship between coach and player like that. You always be remembered Timmy, not because of your winning percantage , not because of your accolades. We will remember you because of your culture. You are the real Alpha dog
I think both Parker and Manu are world bb HOF. (Manu had a lot success internationally - both in EU club and worlds. Parker was 18 when he was drafted and played consistently with the same team and won).
@@Threeducksisperfect for sure. A very very solid player and kind of a french pioneer (as much as we can talk about a french player being named Tony Parker.. lol)
TD was the conductor of "The beautiful game" like Magic was the conductor of "Showtime" Coach Pop was almost in tears at the end. He's on my all-time starting 5
For real - I remember coaches all the time during the 2000/2010s saying “Yeah, we’re pretty much gonna struggle in the paint. If we’re gonna win, we’ll have to shoot” throughout their run
I saved this one for last because I thought it was the most improbable. And while I still wouldn't say he's the GOAT, you've put him top three for me, and it seems fair to say most admirable great player ever.
Luke Gilmore he literally is the culture changer for Sas. They are not the spurs organization they are today without tim, just look at their history before him
@@antoniobridges6209 you sir are 100% correct ,and I shall give thee a upvote,I used to make fun of the Spurs,because Robinson would fold in the playoffs,but all that laughter stopped once Mr.Duncan arrived.
My God, what a well put together video. Sensational job Only critique... Manu & Tony are headed to the Hall of Fame... The Basketball hall of fame is one of the easiest to get into across all sports.
@@Ben_Simon_ Well Ginobili has a Olympic gold medal on his resume as well. His entire basketball career definitely makes him deserving. That Argentina team beat a stacked USA team in 04.
I remember seeing in a video that just before Tim's father died, Pop promised his father that he would not only teach him how to be a great basketballer, but teach him how to be a great human.
Being a Spurs fan, I’ve always thought Kobe and Duncan had mirror careers, each 5 time champions and both have numerous accolades. They both are the best of the generation.
Tim Duncan was always the best player on his team and he was much more consistent, with Kobe you have to worry about him chasing Finals MVP meanwhile you have Timmy D who is always in it for the team and was also winning Finals MVP at the same time.
Except for Duncan has more finals MVP and reg. Season MVP. Plus Duncan was the alpha male for 13 years or so. Kobe was shaqs bitch for when they were teammates
@floater5661 I saw duncans whole career. He was more of a role player for the second half of his career. He wasnt utilized on offense as much so he could be utilized for defense. Go back and watch the last 8 years of his career. He would rarely score 20 points or run offense thru him
Thanks for this. Tim Duncan has been my favorite of all time player (of any sport and I'm a soccer chilean fan most of the time). I just love the guy and I followed his career from the very beginning. This pays off the underrated merit he had.
Hey man I’ve just found your channel and have been blazing through them. They are amazing but I especially am appreciative of you making this video. Tim Duncan is my favourite player and I absolutely love the details and credit he gets in this. It really helps to how how great he really was. There are so many other stories to tell about him like how he helped teammates out in training or even gave advice to opposing players on the court. But even so this video does his career justice. I’m glad I have something to show to people to check out instead of numerous videos and articles. So again thanks your for making it.
Amazing video - great job! I freaking love TD. Something else amazing about him: in the 2014 WCF, G6 against the Thunder, time after time down the stretch in the 4th and OT, the Spurs went to a 38 year-old TD in the post to get buckets. He COOKED Serge, had Mark Jackson call him "Old man River Walk" and then told the world that they were going to crush the Heat in the finals. Best player of his generation - and it's not particularly close
I’ve said it for a long time: Tim Duncan is the closest possible modern day equivalent to Bill Russell. The defense, the rebounding, the leadership, the winning, the dominance… It’s all there. What a player 🔥🔥🔥
Could you imagine those 2 playing on the same team? Good lord, who else would you put with them to play such unselfish, fundamental, high-level, basketball? And don’t say Kobe, LeBron, or Jordan. Those egos have no place on such a team.
Im a young guy and really just got into basketball, but when clayton started talking about how much of a good person Tim Duncan was i felt sentimental. As if a good friend was retiring. Great video!
@@DDG_Streaker I get that but devaluing your stake in earnings to give billionaires more money is really stupid. Players have a finite time to max earnings and giving up money during your playing days is not smart.
The intangibles that push Duncan to the top of the heap is his lack of ego, selflessness, quiet confidence and determination, loyalty to his teammates and the franchise along with him just being a completely decent human being and role model.
I want mj duncan curry kd lebron 100% on my all time starting 5....give me these 5 plus a great big like hakeem off my bench and I will crush your team...easily...
@@russellwatson3686 Manu is actually a lock for hall of fame. He has Euroleague Championships and MVPs and has a Olympic Gold Medal in addition to his NBA career. 2004 Argentina is the only non USA team to win olympics since 1992. He has a better case than Parker for sure.
You don’t actually believe that Tony Parker is a Hall of Famer, do you? If you do, I would LOVE to have that debate with you. Not only is Parker not a Hall of Famer, he’s not even close. Ginobili, yes. His international play ALONE get him in
David Hyrum Vaughn tony Parker is a 6x all star, 4x nba champ, 1x finals MVP, and 4x all nba. I’ve seen people get in with much less. Look at Earl Monroe for example
This was well done. Tim Duncan is one of my favorite players in any sport. I knew he was one of the all time greats but basic statistics couldn't articulate it. You did a great job with the detailed research and analysis.
Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for making this video, and for making each of these in this series. The amount of time dedicated to them in all ways must be extraordinary. The quality from the writing to the highlights to the logic and extremely thorough explanation is immensely impressive. As a life long basketball fan, I am in heaven watching these. As someone who has always argued that the GOAT conversation is subjective and could have as many as ten different answers, I find catharsis in your arguments. And as a life long Tim Duncan fan who argues largely against scoffs and laughs from my friends and colleagues when I make his case as the GOAT, I cannot thank you enough for putting together Tim Duncan’s case in the ultimate way. Much love and gratitude to a new proud subscriber from Portland, Oregon! Continual best wishes in all that you do.
Such a well made video about one of my favorite basketball players ever! And what makes Timmy so special is what you addressed later in the video, what made him a superstar was his play, but what made him special was that selfless, real, down-to-earth, humble, we-are-one mentality, great communication, that made him the TRUE definition of a leader! You want to see prime example of leadership, not just in basketball, look at Timmy! Respect, my man!
Amazing video love your content man. I don't know if you'll read this but I just finished watching and I thought it was overall a great video. Tim Duncan was always my second favorite player growing up and I felt he was never getting the respect he deserved. So thank you for making this and showing what a true legend he was. My only criticism was that you downplayed his teamates a little unfairly in the process. It's minor but to say Manu ginobili is a stretch HoF just isn't true. You credited Duncan for not caring about stats and instilling a team culture- this 100% applies to Manu. At his peak he could have be a first option an any other team. Also its the basketball HoF, not the NBA hall of fame. He led his team to the Olympic gold medal in 2004, and was the leader of the squad. That Olympics was crazy. Going in NO ONE was expecting Argentina to win, probably not even a lot of players on their own team.. that's got to be a 100‰ lock in my eyes.
Tim Duncan encapsulates perfectly what I pictured to be a great Basketball player growing up. Team oriented, all about winning, and was humble in defeat and victory. Him and David Robinson are my favorite duo of all time, even though I’m a Celtics fan 😂
The bit with Pop at the end shook me right to my core. When there's a coach - player dynamic like that it's special to see. I adore that Spurs team from afar.
The thing people underrate about duncan is he could defend everywhere shoot and playmake but also dribble...skills a lot of big men from back then don't have actually....he could do it all while posting up and grabbing 20 rebs
@@terrytenley9404 Wilt didn’t have the competition that Duncan faced, not in the same way, and I’ll explain: Richard Petty won 200 NASCAR races, which is absurd considering that second most wins all time is 105; however, I would heartily argue against Petty being the GOAT in NASCAR, as he competed in an era where his competition was scarce. A lack of professional teams, equipment, mechanics, etc. Wilt was UNDENIABLY great, but to ignore how muted the play was then would be criminal. The average player just wasn’t as athletic or polished as modern players are. They weren’t held to the same standards and the understanding of the game just wasn’t there. Shooting accuracy was abysmal, the rules were still being improved, and the league was still in it’s young years. Tim Duncan was incredible for nearly 2 decades in a time when the game was at its most polished and competitive. A time when he was SURROUNDED by all time great talent from every side, and he STILL had a 71% win rate. That’s truly exceptional.
@@Dasbulldoge did Duncan ever play a whole game? Or let along average a whole game for a year..Duncan has the Adriano and Mano andTony Park till the end of his career.. Wilt played in a era where all the players were larger..They had not 3 point shot and thus the paces of the games was faster..You make nastar car comparisons.. Yes today tires, shoes, motors and aerodynamics make these games easier…Did Duncan ever pull down 56 rebounds in a game and the game included bill Russell.. Did Duncan ever lead the league in assists nope but Wilt did.. Duncan lead the league in scoring 6 times.. no but will did.. Did Duncan in the twilight of his career be part of a 33 games win streak..nope but .wilt did.. Did Duncan ever average 50 points a game for one season nope but Wilt did..Did Duncan ever have 50 games were he went for 50 points a game in one year? Nope.. I keep saying Wilt was perhaps the strongest player to play in any sport.. So many today never saw Wilt play.. Nope nope nope on any lame comparisons to wilt by anyone playing long ago, 20 years ago, or one year ago..wake up.. wilt is the only goat period..
@@Dasbulldoge yep and Duncan did not have any body either.. If wilt played Duncan …Wilt would trash the guy period..Guess what there are fewer big men today than in Wilts era.. Thus Duncan was playing against short folks.. Get over it..
WOW! Thank you so much for this video. I've been following basketball since the late 60's, and Tim has always been not only one of my favorites, but also one of the players that I feel should ALWAYS be in any 'goat' conversation. His level of professionalism, along with his consistency is unmatched. His 'go to move', along with Kareem's sky hook, is not only one of the most recognizable, but also unstoppable. 20yrs of excellence. Yeah...I dig me some Tim Duncan. Drop step, spin, off the glass. MONEY!!!!!
Greatness and longevity combined is the most underrated part of Basketball. I mean, to be able to extent your prime for a length of time far beyond expected is true greatness
I know these are old videos, but man I love them. Props to you for making these. I watch these in bed every night and felt the need to tell you thank you
I avoided these videos for a long time because I’ve seen one too many GOAT videos. But man, I don’t think I’ve ever been as inspired or have I ever cried during a video like this the way I have in this video.
One big point that was left out was that he played in one of the smallest markets in the NBA. If he played in NY, LA, or another bigger market his legacy would have been much more. I think one stat that really stood out what his overall winning percentage in sports history. Great video!
Got to watch the spurs a lot. I lived in SA for years and it was his town. Tim Duncan was the ROCK of a championship dynasty. His skill level was off the chart. So smooth and dominant. That loss to the heat lit a fire that catapulted them to yet another title. The underlying force was TD.
Watching this video brings streams of tears down my face. I miss this man! It was the greatest pleasure and honor to grow up and fall in love with the game… all thanks to this man. THANK YOU TD!!! ❤️🏀
Shoutout to this amazing channel. Taking the GOAT question and looking at it academically and realizing that is subject and thus there can be several. I appreciate you for this 🙏🏻🙌🏻 Timmy D is so underrated and under appreciated.
Joel Kramer they are but in the history of the game they’re probably the more underwhelming of co-stars to get 4 chips with. All the other great players of Duncan’s caliber played with way better talent. Magic had kareem and worthy. Bird with McHale parish Dennis Johnson, mj had scottie and Rodman, zeke had Dumars Aguirre and those guys. Even wilt had jerry west and hal Greer. Duncan probably did the most with the least (tho parker and Manu ain’t no joke, they’re just not those guys I mentioned)
I think Manu is underrated and Parker is overrated. On a different team, Manu is scoring 20+ per game, but Parker just loses efficiency without Duncan setting ķiller screens and making prefect rolls.
The thing about Tim Duncan being a system player is exactly what you said: you could plug him in as the foundation of any team and have 20 years of playoff success and contention
Thank you for this video, I actually had chills in the second half. Tim Duncan is my favorite player ever. He always was a winner, it was never about him and he is always gave everything he had for us, the San Antonio Spurs. That's also the reason why Kawhi Leonard is my favorite player right now. I don't care what happened with us. Everytime I see Kawhi Leonard, I'm happy because he is so good without trying to be flashy or the star. And it was the same with Timmy D.
Huge Celtics fan who is unashamedly biased towards them, but the one player I hold nearest to my heart and who I idolise above any other is Tim Duncan. The humility and selflessness is something I aspire to be more like. He's the model of an ideal basketball player in my eyes, and that more than anything makes me buy into Tim Duncan as the GOAT.
10.25 you can almost feel this collective intake of breath from the court and the stands when everyone realises it's a big man with the ball gonna attempt to shoot a three to level it with seconds left. A priceless moment
For all those that try to give Duncan's success to pop, I remind them that if Pop didn't bench Duncan in 13, then they have 6 rings. Duncan made pop, not the other way around.
Veronica Melgoza if continuous success throughout the man’s WHOLE career is boring I agree😂😂🤦🏾♂️ don’t be a clown I’m not just a fan because I grew up here in San Antonio but because Tim’s been dedicated to the city and team as much as his family. Thus he deserves endless admiration and if you won’t give him that you MUST respect him at least sweety
You need to do same kind of videos for Karl Malone, Hakeem, Kobe and Shaq. They really deserve to be in a discussion as well. Those videos are simply great!
I love this video but this guy underrated Parker and Ginobli. You can't say "they weren't great cuz they only made 5 All-Star games". Both guys would've been perennial All-Stars if they were the #1 options on different teams. Ginobli never made a ton of All-Stars cuz he accepted his role of 6th man but destroyed many superstars both on offense and D. In his prime, Parker was was always top 5 among guards for FG% in the paint! In fact, Parker's skills are what allowed the Spurs to transition into the game changing "pace-and-space" offensive juggernaut from 2012-16.
Manu made the spurs culture..plus he won Euro title, nba titles, and Olympic gold against an American pro team at that...his numbers don't show his talent cuz he played in a system...but Manu is a goat...even Kobe said he was.
Tim Duncan deserves to be in the top 8, he's in the conversation. I agree with the 8 you chose, but two guys I'm intrigued with exploring their careers to be in include in the conversation is julius erving and Jerry West.
@Mourning Star its a team sport, Kobe didn't win all the titles by himself. Shaq had MVP season, and finals MVP three straight years, horry hit clutch shots, fisher hit clutch shots, brian shaw hit clutch shots, glen rice was clutch, Artest saved the lakers in game 7, and Gasol literally gave kobe the last two rings.
@Mourning Star West won the chip with wilt and dr J won with moses. Kobe lost the chip with Shaq, Malone, and payton, team coached by Phil Jackson, explain that can you lose points for that. Also lost in the 1st round with a team lead by, kobe, dwight, nash and gasol
Smartest player in the league his entire career. 2nd best defender ever(Hakeem). Won titles played under different sets of rules. *Timmy was like water, to paraphrase Bruce Lee.* Absolutely no weaknesses. And he could handle Shaq. But best of all, he gave you what you needed, when you needed it the most. "Timmy, if you don't get 8 rebounds in the 4th, we're going to lose." Gets 9.
I swear, this gets me misty eyed every time i see it. Such a great video man. and a fantastic series also. I wish it got more exposure as such the masterpiece it is.
I was just telling a friend of mine; Duncan is a once in a lifetime player!! Dominated both end of the court. Hands down the best rim protector I've ever seen.
I grew up a hard core wake forest fan....still am. I was there for Tim Duncan's wake career, I was just a child, but I remember it. I actually was lucky enough to have met him. We were at a wake forest football game during the NBA strike back in the last 90s. He sat right in front of us. We got to chat with him the entire game...he gave me an autograph and played with my baby brother. He was so incredibly kind and humble. To me he is the goat...not just based off what this video pointed out....but for his loyalty to Wake Forest and for his genuine nature when I met him. ❤🙌
Joey Jo-Jo Shabadu what are you implying? That there were 5 better before the 90s. Because I disagree. Jordan, Kareem, Magic yes. But I have Duncan 4th after them. And Bird is 5 for me in case you were wondering
@@joeyjo-joshabadu9636 neither Wilt nor Hakeem are comparable career wise. The sad thing about Bill is, he's either gonna be a definitve GOAT or not even top 7 for people,there is no middle ground.
@@blackeesh463 Olajuwon doesn't have Duncan's longevity but has easily the higher peak. Only player to ever be named League MVP, Finals MVP, and Defensive Player of the Year all in the same season. It's just too bad that he didn't have a steady supporting cast. He was drafted the same year as Jordan -the consensus GOAT, and quite frankly is the only player who comes close to him, during that era. Even Jordan said if he could have one player, excluding himself, he would pick Olajuwon. So yes, he is very comparable. The same can not be said for Wilt Chamberlain. He's in his own galaxy. He's probably the most extraordinary human athlete who ever lived. He still has more official records than any other player in league history, and his raw numbers are just hilarious.
One more character reference: "The day after he (Jackie Robinson) died, his wife called me and said I want you to be a pallbearer at Jackie's funeral. I said 'of course, but can I ask why; why me?' And she said, 'it's because you were Jackie's favorite athlete and because of the way you conducted yourself.’ And I feel the same way about you (Tim Duncan). You’ve played hard. You’ve played smart. You’ve won championships…." - Bill Russell
Damn. This is persuasive. Very persuasive. I routinely argue with the young why LeBron/Kobe/Curry aren't, because they wouldn't hold up to the physicality of the older game. The point that Duncan is/was/could be successful in any era is extremely persuasive. I know others here have noted that Manu and Parker are better than the video seems to credit them, but Duncan still made them. it's not like they were Worthy/Kareem or Parrish/McHale.
When I learned about Tim Duncan, I immediately loved him. He's very likeable and he's a very good player. I also love that he didn't play basketball until he got in high school. When you look at the best NBA players today, most have been playing since they were little. I didn't pick up a basketball at all until I was in middle school, so the fact that Tim Duncan could be so good despite beginning to play later in his life than most players gives me motivation. I personally wouldn't call him the GOAT, but he's a really neat guy
Tim Duncan is the player who changed the fate of a franchise the most. The Spurs were so lucky to get him. I highly, highly doubt that they would have even sniffed the same amount of success of they hadn't got the first pick. He's the glue that holds a team together while being a dominant player on both sides. He might not have averaged 30 points a game for his entire career, but when you need to hit a shot to save your season, or need to show up to win a series, you go to him. And he would make that shot, or clutch the game. He would never lose because he didn't try hard enough, or because he didn't put in his all. No player has carried a team as hard as he has. Not even Wilt could carry a bad team. But Duncan did it, and never complained. Can you imagine if Duncan had a great second? If he had a top tier scorer as a teammate, he would have rivaled Russel in winning. Truly an all time great
@Clayton Crowley ...Love your videos, man! I think this is, naturally, the weakest of the 6 arguments thus far. I agree with other commenters that Tim Duncan, in greatness, is much like a 21st century Bill Russell...which is precisely why, as great as he is, he's definitely not the GOAT. The basic criteria that puts Tim in the conversation (being a winner, being a team builder and teammate builder, being extremely consistent over time, being an all-time great defender, not giving a care about stats given team success, etc.) are the criteria that make him #2 to Bill Russell. In other words, i think the Tim argument is much like the Kobe argument...the best he can finish, using the most favorable and relevant criteria for greatness, is #2 all time.
Thank you so much for making this video. I literally cried at the end when pop gave his farewell words to Timmy. To be honest, I don't think Timmy cares if he is in the GOAT conversation or not, he only cares about his spurs team and how he can still contribute even he is not there anymore. In addition, I believe the true reason why he is not in the GOAT conversation is because of the NBA's nature as a business. Spurs has always been a small market team and they were extremely boring to watch before they started to run motion offence. Despite his success as a basketball player, Timmy definitely did not generate as much profit for the league as MJ and LeBron did, and the NBA certainly doesn't want someone playing boring basketball to be in the centre of the conversation. At the end of the day, if Timmy doesn't care if he is the GOAT, I don't think we should care either. The more important thing to me is to keep looking up to him and be a friendly, humble, and selfless person as he has always been.
I watched all episodes. This was a tremendous, well researched, and well written series. It made me change my perspective on what greatness, and what "the greatest of all time" means. And next to Bill Russell's, I'd say this was my favorite. Cheers.
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So I don't know if you know by now or not, but Tim Duncan does NOT have the highest win percentage of "any athlete ever". That statement is plain wrong and I don't know where I came up with it. He does have the highest win % of any athlete since 1997, but that's not "ever". This was my first video though, so please forgive my dumbness.
There are several athletes with a win percentage of 100% since 1997 (by going 1-0).
It's a top vid dont be harsh on yourself my good man and it's well appreciated am working my way through the series am hoping for a allen Iverson episode he my bball goat with the bird man and magic.. thanks for the awesome slam dunk of a series and job well done 🤟🤟
Is Shaq one of your 8 player just wondering
@@dylanmason9002 I'd say he just dosent make it like allen,
Great video but my 1 critique I don’t think it’s a long shot for manu and tony to make the hall of fame. I think it’s just going to depend on who is eligible with them. Prime example this year against Tim kg and Kobe naw they wouldn’t make it. But any other year there’s a strong case. They both got 4 rings tony has a finals mvp and manu is regarded as one of the best 6th men ever. Not that I’m over hyping them either but I think their name carry just enough weight to get them there in a reasonable amount of time
It's about time someone put Tim Duncan in the discussion. Never flashy, he just won. Basically the Bill Russell of the 21st century.
I'd say, that's the point why he is NOT the goat. Rings are a big part of a discussion, but it's far from everything.
What about thrilling people? "The greatest" is not the same as "the most efficient"...
Not quite the mobility of Russ, but similar Leadership.
@@Zett76 Duncan is not even the the most efficient. Kobe for most of his career was a more efficient scorer than Tim Duncan. Steph Curry is miles away more efficient at scoring than Duncan....
@Joshua Hunter Tim Duncan was never universally recognized as the best player in the league...how can he be considered one of the candidates for greatest of all time?
@Joshua Hunter well, you said that you love the two prior comments, i'm replying based on that...
I don't know why being a great teammate / leader is often disregarded when determining the greatest of all time.
Because of America's me-first individualist culture.
@@seabookarno123 thats why they have now the most me-first individualist president
@@seabookarno123 nah i really think it is due to the nature of basketball where individual performance matters soooo much matter. just compare it to football where plays include 22 players no matter what. clutch moments in basketball are exclusively an individualistic feat (I'd say 99% of the time). just my opinion
people like the story of competitive, seemingly unstoppable high-light reel assholes like jordan over consistent great teammates like duncan
I think it's because it's hard to quantify, so people who don't watch the Spurs in-depth won't see a lot of his greatness.
This actually moved me, and made me appreciate this man so much more. The man has been sitting there under our noses for so long, hiding in plain sight. Exactly the way he’d want it. A coach’s dream
If you adjust his stats to per 36 minutes play, he had been remarkably consistent and average about 20 points 10 rebounds or near every season.
People dont remember how athletic he used to be before busting a knee so he'd literally been playing with a handicap for like 14 years
wasn’t hiding from me i’ve been singing this song for years. One shot away from having 6 rings in 6 finals. still got 5.
"He has no peak" => His whole career was a peak.
"He had pop" => he made pop
imagine he has a PEAK, must be insane. Super Saiyan Level.
@@wanamirulafiq2530 you could say from a physical standpoint, 2000-2005 was his window of his "peak" but his fundamentals are so rooted that he's remained consistent and that's absolutely insane
H was top 3 MVP in his first year and top 5 defensive..
@MANCHESTER UNITED there isn't even 240 nations you idiot xD, and soccer is soft.
@@TheTariqibnziyad this is from someone who watched both og them, u r right
This vid made me cry. Tim was my favorite athlete in my entire childhood. Many would scoff if I called him the GOAT but there was no player I wanted to be more like than Tim Duncan. I'm no pro basketball player, but I try to approach my life towards people the way I saw Tim Duncan approach his peers. He was an incredible basketball player, but an even better leader and role model. He inspires me in many ways. Thanks for making this video.
@Mourning Star 😂😂😂
You were right TD=GOAT
This is making me emotional too Tim Duncan was my hero growing up. Such an inspiring person and player
The 2000's Spurs were the hipsters of the NBA. Shooting fast break 3's before it was cool. Explosive point guards like Tony Parker who'd slash the defense a new one much like most slashers these days, Timmy D was basically the modern day big except the guy was a defensive juggernaut. And then there's Manu. Everything that's cool in the NBA now, Manu was doing it 20 years ago.
this comment sums it up. got me in tears
Tim Duncan is the most underrated great player ever. He is by far one of the best of all time but NEVER gets mentioned due to him being sooo humble and unassuming.
Also he played for a small market. If he played for New York or Los Angeles, he'll be top 3 by most people
Duncan *did* have a dominant peak in 2003 when he was League MVP, Finals MVP, and closed out the Finals with a near quadruple double. He was arguably the best all-around player from 1999-2007, with the only exception being in 2000 when he had knee surgery and Shaq briefly took the throne.
The near quadruple double was an uncredited quadruple double! He actually did it! There is a video showing just that here on YT.
Arcadian while I do agree pl even healthy Tim Duncan ain’t better than the monster that was 2001 Shaq
@@jackbrumbaugh339 Depends on what you mean by "better." I will concede 2000 and '01 to Shaq since he was the champ and FMVP - but Duncan outplayed him in '99 and '03, and he had knee surgery in 2000. And he was carrying a team of scrubs in '01 and '02.
Imo he was the best from 03-07. Shaq had it from 99-02, Kobe took it from 08-10.
@@Ultra-BLV LeBron was best from 2008 to now
To imagine that Tim could have had 6 or 7 chips due to the fact that a couple times the coin of fate didn’t fall in his favor with key plays or scenarios is mind boggling.
That Derek Fisher 0.4 shot
I mean he easily could've lost some Championships because of his luck (Horry Hip Check)
@@drasconboy6349 irrelevant
That Phoenix team had no answer for prime big 3 Timmy/Parker/Manu
@@ultimateyagerman They we’re literally tied even with Game 3 being one of the most corruptly officiated games for the Spurs, Suns lost game 5 without Stoudemire and Diaw by 3
@@drasconboy6349 so what all San Antonio needed to do was win game 5 or 7 and there was the given game 6 that would win no matter what
Just face it, it doesn't matter if they won game 5 when they would have lost game 7 anyways
keep doing what you are doing there is a audience for it man
fuck it yep.
fuck it man, keep on doing it.
Sorry i had to
Anyone else from San Antonio still tear up whenever they watch pieces on Timmy? This guy IS our city.
Not only San Antonio. Some of us that came to appreciate Tim's fundamentals still tear up on his effortless leadership highlights
@Wally Reyes Definitely massive respect to David Robinson. I'm a lifetime spurs fan so I'll always love The Admiral but being born in '98 Timmy, Manu, and Tony were just the guys when I was coming up. They're all undeniably amazing in my eyes though it's like picking between favorite children.
even when my rational basketball mind knows its Duncan>Robinson>Ginobili>Parker they and Pop were all such a fun classy act to watch every night and I'll never forget watching all my old grandmas from SA losing their minds on the couch every game night this team has been a blessing to watch for at least 2 decades and even now they're fun
@Francis Clark Me too man and I'm a Pats fan, gotta love the sheriff no shame in that
San Antonio tx the best city to live in..👍
Yeah. Tim was never flashy, never on the front page or anything. But he was a talented player, stayed loyal to his team, and won alot of championships. Not much else you can ask for.
This entire series is amazing but your case for Duncan is honestly the strongest. If you care about winning and team basketball, you want The Big Fundamental
-Sincerely, a Kobe fanboy
Fanboy Tim now that Kobe is rotten
@@swissbreeze wtf is wrong with you?
@@swissbreeze my god man 🙁 you ok?
@@swissbreeze bitter
@@swissbreezelol ur a sick puppy.
Literally my favorite player of all time. The big 3 will go down as one of the greatest trios of all time. I saw this meme that said quote "stopped the Lakers from 4-peating stopped the heat from 3-peating and stopped the pistons from repeating. That's 2 dynasties and 1 potential dynasty that fell go Tim Duncan" GOAT status confirmed
You convinced me that he belongs in the discussion. I am thinking he is so underrated it’s almost criminal.
Exactly! You place those numbers those accomplishments, those chips and his achievements on any other player in any other market and this is a different story, legendary
@@laglynng9591 he wasn’t the best player on all his rings. Other players get hated on for that .
@@AD-ur1fk he absolutely was. He mopped the best player every chance he got. He should be be considered clutch like Kobe, he hit nasty shots every run. He made Kobe and Lebron, and all the lakers cry.
Pop's words got my heart touched. I've never seen a relationship between coach and player like that. You always be remembered Timmy, not because of your winning percantage , not because of your accolades. We will remember you because of your culture. You are the real Alpha dog
I personally don't think Ginobili is a longshot. His overseas and international play weights heavily, especially his Olympic gold.
I think both Parker and Manu are world bb HOF. (Manu had a lot success internationally - both in EU club and worlds. Parker was 18 when he was drafted and played consistently with the same team and won).
@@mickyhansen6869 Also Parker has a finals MVP
@@Threeducksisperfect for sure. A very very solid player and kind of a french pioneer (as much as we can talk about a french player being named Tony Parker.. lol)
if tmac is a HOF Tony and manu are in already.
That gold medal alone puts Manu in, his rings are just icing on the cake.
The only part I disagree with is, "Tony and Manu are longshots for the hall of fame"
Seriously bro. We ain’t gonna act like Parker and Ginobili were scrubs lmaooooo
Parker may get in HOF not ginobili
Ginobili definitely will
what was that ?
They are long shots in the sense that it might take 6 or 7 ballet apperences. They not walking right in.
TD was the conductor of "The beautiful game" like Magic was the conductor of "Showtime" Coach Pop was almost in tears at the end. He's on my all-time starting 5
“Suddenly imposing physicality” is such a great phrase to describe his presence in the paint. Bless up, Old Man Riverwalk
*subtly
For real - I remember coaches all the time during the 2000/2010s saying “Yeah, we’re pretty much gonna struggle in the paint. If we’re gonna win, we’ll have to shoot” throughout their run
You made the case. I don’t know if he’s MY GOAT - but he’s in the discussion now, for sure. Wow.
Def TOP 5...
hes been in the discussion since 2014 hes the 4th greatest of all time only mj, lebron, and kareem are better
zwebackshyper SAME EXACT RANKING 👏👏👏
Check out rusty buckets goatmentary as well. He makes some great cases.
@@zwebackshyper 5th for me, behing mj, bron, kobe, and kareem
I saved this one for last because I thought it was the most improbable. And while I still wouldn't say he's the GOAT, you've put him top three for me, and it seems fair to say most admirable great player ever.
The Spurs dynasty was the longest running of any team largly thanks to Tim.
not just largly thanks to Tim. Tim Duncan was the spurs
Luke Gilmore he literally is the culture changer for Sas. They are not the spurs organization they are today without tim, just look at their history before him
@@antoniobridges6209 you sir are 100% correct ,and I shall give thee a upvote,I used to make fun of the Spurs,because Robinson would fold in the playoffs,but all that laughter stopped once Mr.Duncan arrived.
Tim duncan is a team player, he makes everybody around him play their best. He is my favorite player ever, and im not even a spurs fan
I like the spurs when playing because of Tim duncan
My God, what a well put together video. Sensational job
Only critique... Manu & Tony are headed to the Hall of Fame... The Basketball hall of fame is one of the easiest to get into across all sports.
Manu is a first ballot hall of famer, easily. His international success alone would get him in there.
Tony is definitely getting in too.
NBA accomplishments alone Manu doesn't really deserve to get in but Tony is HOFer no question, dude has Finals MVP on his resume
@@Ben_Simon_ Well Ginobili has a Olympic gold medal on his resume as well. His entire basketball career definitely makes him deserving. That Argentina team beat a stacked USA team in 04.
@@leftyshredder9289 well you clearly didn't read my comment
@@Ben_Simon_ Yeah I did read it. I just assumed the wrong thing and mis read it. Hey it happens haha.
I know this video doesn’t have a bunch of views but the quality is off the charts. Something tells me you’re gonna blow up soon. Keep it up man
Agreed but 400k aint bad.
I felt that Pop comment. You can just tell. He'd defend Timmy until he died.
I remember seeing in a video that just before Tim's father died, Pop promised his father that he would not only teach him how to be a great basketballer, but teach him how to be a great human.
this is the Spurs' community
Being a Spurs fan, I’ve always thought Kobe and Duncan had mirror careers, each 5 time champions and both have numerous accolades. They both are the best of the generation.
Kobe had shaq
Duncan dominated on one team out west which adds to his legacy
Tim Duncan was always the best player on his team and he was much more consistent, with Kobe you have to worry about him chasing Finals MVP meanwhile you have Timmy D who is always in it for the team and was also winning Finals MVP at the same time.
Except for Duncan has more finals MVP and reg. Season MVP. Plus Duncan was the alpha male for 13 years or so. Kobe was shaqs bitch for when they were teammates
@floater5661 I saw duncans whole career. He was more of a role player for the second half of his career. He wasnt utilized on offense as much so he could be utilized for defense. Go back and watch the last 8 years of his career. He would rarely score 20 points or run offense thru him
The truly great ones never feel the need to tell people how great they are, it's apparent in ever thing they do and how they do it.
I mean Ali told us all the time how great he was and we believed it
Almost 6-0
Never had season worse than 50 games
2 MVPs
Insane defender
Clearly top 5
Not to mention he did it w/ ONE TEAM, ONE COACH! Literally, no transcendant star can make that claim.
Clearly is a stretch. He deserves consideration for top 5. I have him very close at 7
Damn right! He was one boneheaded play by Parker and decision by Popovich away from winning 6 championships!
Danny Cooper and some missed Manu free throws. 😢
@@811chelseafc Right?!
Thanks for this. Tim Duncan has been my favorite of all time player (of any sport and I'm a soccer chilean fan most of the time). I just love the guy and I followed his career from the very beginning. This pays off the underrated merit he had.
Hey man I’ve just found your channel and have been blazing through them. They are amazing but I especially am appreciative of you making this video. Tim Duncan is my favourite player and I absolutely love the details and credit he gets in this. It really helps to how how great he really was. There are so many other stories to tell about him like how he helped teammates out in training or even gave advice to opposing players on the court. But even so this video does his career justice. I’m glad I have something to show to people to check out instead of numerous videos and articles. So again thanks your for making it.
I can't thank you enough for making this video. I was on the verge of crying near the end. Timmy will always be the GOAT to me.
Amazing video - great job! I freaking love TD.
Something else amazing about him: in the 2014 WCF, G6 against the Thunder, time after time down the stretch in the 4th and OT, the Spurs went to a 38 year-old TD in the post to get buckets. He COOKED Serge, had Mark Jackson call him "Old man River Walk" and then told the world that they were going to crush the Heat in the finals. Best player of his generation - and it's not particularly close
Timmy was the reason why I fell in love with the NBA. He has always been my gold standard for a basketball player
I’ve said it for a long time:
Tim Duncan is the closest possible modern day equivalent to Bill Russell. The defense, the rebounding, the leadership, the winning, the dominance… It’s all there. What a player 🔥🔥🔥
Could you imagine those 2 playing on the same team? Good lord, who else would you put with them to play such unselfish, fundamental, high-level, basketball?
And don’t say Kobe, LeBron, or Jordan. Those egos have no place on such a team.
Im a young guy and really just got into basketball, but when clayton started talking about how much of a good person Tim Duncan was i felt sentimental. As if a good friend was retiring. Great video!
He also took less money on multiple occasions to set the team in the best position to win.
That is not a good thing.....
@@5504berry It still shows how unselfish he is.
@@DDG_Streaker I get that but devaluing your stake in earnings to give billionaires more money is really stupid. Players have a finite time to max earnings and giving up money during your playing days is not smart.
5504berry but it’s a winning move and in the end what matters more than winning?
@@5504berry for some people money isn't everything my guy
Props to you, man. That was very emotional. This video solidified how great Tim is, not just as an athlete, but as a completely human being.
The intangibles that push Duncan to the top of the heap is his lack of ego, selflessness, quiet confidence and determination, loyalty to his teammates and the franchise along with him just being a completely decent human being and role model.
I want mj duncan curry kd lebron 100% on my all time starting 5....give me these 5 plus a great big like hakeem off my bench and I will crush your team...easily...
woah there, Manu and TP are easily in the hall of fame
I’d say manu is a lil further away from it then tp and I’m a spurs fan
@@russellwatson3686 Manu is actually a lock for hall of fame. He has Euroleague Championships and MVPs and has a Olympic Gold Medal in addition to his NBA career. 2004 Argentina is the only non USA team to win olympics since 1992. He has a better case than Parker for sure.
They may not be first ballot but they will be in the hall of fame for sure !!!
You don’t actually believe that Tony Parker is a Hall of Famer, do you? If you do, I would LOVE to have that debate with you. Not only is Parker not a Hall of Famer, he’s not even close.
Ginobili, yes. His international play ALONE get him in
David Hyrum Vaughn tony Parker is a 6x all star, 4x nba champ, 1x finals MVP, and 4x all nba. I’ve seen people get in with much less. Look at Earl Monroe for example
This was well done. Tim Duncan is one of my favorite players in any sport. I knew he was one of the all time greats but basic statistics couldn't articulate it. You did a great job with the detailed research and analysis.
Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for making this video, and for making each of these in this series. The amount of time dedicated to them in all ways must be extraordinary. The quality from the writing to the highlights to the logic and extremely thorough explanation is immensely impressive. As a life long basketball fan, I am in heaven watching these. As someone who has always argued that the GOAT conversation is subjective and could have as many as ten different answers, I find catharsis in your arguments. And as a life long Tim Duncan fan who argues largely against scoffs and laughs from my friends and colleagues when I make his case as the GOAT, I cannot thank you enough for putting together Tim Duncan’s case in the ultimate way. Much love and gratitude to a new proud subscriber from Portland, Oregon! Continual best wishes in all that you do.
dude this is one of the greatest basketball youtube videos I've ever watched keep it up!
This is AMAZING! Thank you for this....... The absence of TD from the basketball court feels like a death. This eased some of the pain.. Thank you...
Such a well made video about one of my favorite basketball players ever! And what makes Timmy so special is what you addressed later in the video, what made him a superstar was his play, but what made him special was that selfless, real, down-to-earth, humble, we-are-one mentality, great communication, that made him the TRUE definition of a leader! You want to see prime example of leadership, not just in basketball, look at Timmy! Respect, my man!
Amazing video love your content man.
I don't know if you'll read this but I just finished watching and I thought it was overall a great video. Tim Duncan was always my second favorite player growing up and I felt he was never getting the respect he deserved. So thank you for making this and showing what a true legend he was.
My only criticism was that you downplayed his teamates a little unfairly in the process. It's minor but to say Manu ginobili is a stretch HoF just isn't true. You credited Duncan for not caring about stats and instilling a team culture- this 100% applies to Manu. At his peak he could have be a first option an any other team.
Also its the basketball HoF, not the NBA hall of fame. He led his team to the Olympic gold medal in 2004, and was the leader of the squad. That Olympics was crazy. Going in NO ONE was expecting Argentina to win, probably not even a lot of players on their own team.. that's got to be a 100‰ lock in my eyes.
Manu is a basketball legend, an icon in Argentina and San Antonio. A magician, a big game player with a team first mindset. Thank you.
Tim Duncan encapsulates perfectly what I pictured to be a great Basketball player growing up. Team oriented, all about winning, and was humble in defeat and victory. Him and David Robinson are my favorite duo of all time, even though I’m a Celtics fan 😂
The bit with Pop at the end shook me right to my core. When there's a coach - player dynamic like that it's special to see. I adore that Spurs team from afar.
The most uncelebrated generational talent I’ve seen in thirty years as a fan.
The thing people underrate about duncan is he could defend everywhere shoot and playmake but also dribble...skills a lot of big men from back then don't have actually....he could do it all while posting up and grabbing 20 rebs
But not the goat.. no comparison to Wilt.. nothing..nope..forget it.. get real..
@@terrytenley9404 Wilt didn’t have the competition that Duncan faced, not in the same way, and I’ll explain:
Richard Petty won 200 NASCAR races, which is absurd considering that second most wins all time is 105; however, I would heartily argue against Petty being the GOAT in NASCAR, as he competed in an era where his competition was scarce. A lack of professional teams, equipment, mechanics, etc.
Wilt was UNDENIABLY great, but to ignore how muted the play was then would be criminal. The average player just wasn’t as athletic or polished as modern players are. They weren’t held to the same standards and the understanding of the game just wasn’t there. Shooting accuracy was abysmal, the rules were still being improved, and the league was still in it’s young years. Tim Duncan was incredible for nearly 2 decades in a time when the game was at its most polished and competitive. A time when he was SURROUNDED by all time great talent from every side, and he STILL had a 71% win rate. That’s truly exceptional.
@@Dasbulldoge did Duncan ever play a whole game? Or let along average a whole game for a year..Duncan has the Adriano and Mano andTony Park till the end of his career.. Wilt played in a era where all the players were larger..They had not 3 point shot and thus the paces of the games was faster..You make nastar car comparisons.. Yes today tires, shoes, motors and aerodynamics make these games easier…Did Duncan ever pull down 56 rebounds in a game and the game included bill Russell.. Did Duncan ever lead the league in assists nope but Wilt did.. Duncan lead the league in scoring 6 times.. no but will did.. Did Duncan in the twilight of his career be part of a 33 games win streak..nope but .wilt did.. Did Duncan ever average 50 points a game for one season nope but Wilt did..Did Duncan ever have 50 games were he went for 50 points a game in one year? Nope.. I keep saying Wilt was perhaps the strongest player to play in any sport.. So many today never saw Wilt play.. Nope nope nope on any lame comparisons to wilt by anyone playing long ago, 20 years ago, or one year ago..wake up.. wilt is the only goat period..
@@Dasbulldoge yep and Duncan did not have any body either.. If wilt played Duncan …Wilt would trash the guy period..Guess what there are fewer big men today than in Wilts era.. Thus Duncan was playing against short folks.. Get over it..
WOW! Thank you so much for this video. I've been following basketball since the late 60's, and Tim has always been not only one of my favorites, but also one of the players that I feel should ALWAYS be in any 'goat' conversation.
His level of professionalism, along with his consistency is unmatched. His 'go to move', along with Kareem's sky hook, is not only one of the most recognizable, but also unstoppable.
20yrs of excellence. Yeah...I dig me some Tim Duncan.
Drop step, spin, off the glass. MONEY!!!!!
Greatness and longevity combined is the most underrated part of Basketball. I mean, to be able to extent your prime for a length of time far beyond expected is true greatness
I know these are old videos, but man I love them. Props to you for making these. I watch these in bed every night and felt the need to tell you thank you
I avoided these videos for a long time because I’ve seen one too many GOAT videos. But man, I don’t think I’ve ever been as inspired or have I ever cried during a video like this the way I have in this video.
What a beautiful tribute to my favorite player and role model. I’m 25 years old and you got me tearing up like a baby. Liked and subscribed ❤️
One big point that was left out was that he played in one of the smallest markets in the NBA. If he played in NY, LA, or another bigger market his legacy would have been much more. I think one stat that really stood out what his overall winning percentage in sports history. Great video!
10:55
As a big Duncan fan, I can't believe you made me watch that shit again
At least he's not on the court 😅
I feel your pain. I fast forwarded that shit
Got to watch the spurs a lot. I lived in SA for years and it was his town. Tim Duncan was the ROCK of a championship dynasty. His skill level was off the chart. So smooth and dominant. That loss to the heat lit a fire that catapulted them to yet another title. The underlying force was TD.
Great video! I absolutely love this series of "Making the Case"
Don't know what to say, a very humble man I guess. Quiet but delivered!
Watching this video brings streams of tears down my face. I miss this man! It was the greatest pleasure and honor to grow up and fall in love with the game… all thanks to this man. THANK YOU TD!!! ❤️🏀
But fuck you, Pop!!! You liberal drunk bastard.
Shoutout to this amazing channel. Taking the GOAT question and looking at it academically and realizing that is subject and thus there can be several. I appreciate you for this 🙏🏻🙌🏻 Timmy D is so underrated and under appreciated.
As a Spurs fan I appreciate the thorough breakdown
"Parker and Ginobili are long shots..." lol i think i peed a little
BTW Parker and Manu are 100% Hall of Famers. Watch those videos of them again. Both were incredible. Thanks!!
Joel Kramer they are but in the history of the game they’re probably the more underwhelming of co-stars to get 4 chips with. All the other great players of Duncan’s caliber played with way better talent. Magic had kareem and worthy. Bird with McHale parish Dennis Johnson, mj had scottie and Rodman, zeke had Dumars Aguirre and those guys. Even wilt had jerry west and hal Greer. Duncan probably did the most with the least (tho parker and Manu ain’t no joke, they’re just not those guys I mentioned)
I think Manu is underrated and Parker is overrated. On a different team, Manu is scoring 20+ per game, but Parker just loses efficiency without Duncan setting ķiller screens and making prefect rolls.
It's funny how almost as soon as Tim left, the spurs just disintegrated.
Well kawhi kinda dicked us over
It was completely predictable the Spurs would disintegrate when Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili got old, and Kawhi didn’t want to play anymore.
@@ohxishxitsxdavid Yeah, those 3 gave us all 5 of our chips. Now we gotta hope Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, and Lonnie Walker turn out to be good
@@danielsorrell6512 I'd blame it more on Zaza
Weston Wheeler nah Manu and Tony weren’t on the team in 99, and were just rookies trying to find their place in 03
The thing about Tim Duncan being a system player is exactly what you said: you could plug him in as the foundation of any team and have 20 years of playoff success and contention
The Big Fundamental, best PF of all time.
One of the greatest of all time. Quietly.
Thank you for this video, I actually had chills in the second half. Tim Duncan is my favorite player ever. He always was a winner, it was never about him and he is always gave everything he had for us, the San Antonio Spurs. That's also the reason why Kawhi Leonard is my favorite player right now. I don't care what happened with us. Everytime I see Kawhi Leonard, I'm happy because he is so good without trying to be flashy or the star. And it was the same with Timmy D.
I've watched all the goat videos, and this is the only one that made me emotional.
Great content. I'm ready to see all your top 8 cases
Huge Celtics fan who is unashamedly biased towards them, but the one player I hold nearest to my heart and who I idolise above any other is Tim Duncan. The humility and selflessness is something I aspire to be more like. He's the model of an ideal basketball player in my eyes, and that more than anything makes me buy into Tim Duncan as the GOAT.
10.25 you can almost feel this collective intake of breath from the court and the stands when everyone realises it's a big man with the ball gonna attempt to shoot a three to level it with seconds left. A priceless moment
Epic. So well done in every way. Moves from the practical/physical/stats to the spiritual/leadership level. Thank you.
I remember all but crying when ray allen made the three in the corner, all because pop took Duncan out... one of the best rebounders of all time
For all those that try to give Duncan's success to pop, I remind them that if Pop didn't bench Duncan in 13, then they have 6 rings. Duncan made pop, not the other way around.
BOAT not Goat, B=boring of all time
Veronica Melgoza if continuous success throughout the man’s WHOLE career is boring I agree😂😂🤦🏾♂️ don’t be a clown I’m not just a fan because I grew up here in San Antonio but because Tim’s been dedicated to the city and team as much as his family. Thus he deserves endless admiration and if you won’t give him that you MUST respect him at least sweety
@@oscarchanchovenegas7924 he's very good, top 5 all time, but his playstyle is very BORING like back in da 60's
@@veronicamelgoza4752 efficiency >>>>> flashy
You need to do same kind of videos for Karl Malone, Hakeem, Kobe and Shaq. They really deserve to be in a discussion as well. Those videos are simply great!
Manu is one of the greatest players of all time..he Never gets any respect for his style of play and basketball iq...he changed the game
I love this video but this guy underrated Parker and Ginobli. You can't say "they weren't great cuz they only made 5 All-Star games". Both guys would've been perennial All-Stars if they were the #1 options on different teams. Ginobli never made a ton of All-Stars cuz he accepted his role of 6th man but destroyed many superstars both on offense and D. In his prime, Parker was was always top 5 among guards for FG% in the paint! In fact, Parker's skills are what allowed the Spurs to transition into the game changing "pace-and-space" offensive juggernaut from 2012-16.
he is not one of the greatest players of all time, he was an amazing 6th man
Manu made the spurs culture..plus he won Euro title, nba titles, and Olympic gold against an American pro team at that...his numbers don't show his talent cuz he played in a system...but Manu is a goat...even Kobe said he was.
@@ignitebridgeiii5425 making the case- manu ginobili?
If you didn't follow his career you wouldn't understand..he's better than people realize
Tim Duncan deserves to be in the top 8, he's in the conversation. I agree with the 8 you chose, but two guys I'm intrigued with exploring their careers to be in include in the conversation is julius erving and Jerry West.
He's in the top 5. He just never got that press. If he went to LA, NY, or Boston he would be treated like Russell
@Mourning Star its a team sport, Kobe didn't win all the titles by himself. Shaq had MVP season, and finals MVP three straight years, horry hit clutch shots, fisher hit clutch shots, brian shaw hit clutch shots, glen rice was clutch, Artest saved the lakers in game 7, and Gasol literally gave kobe the last two rings.
@Mourning Star West won the chip with wilt and dr J won with moses. Kobe lost the chip with Shaq, Malone, and payton, team coached by Phil Jackson, explain that can you lose points for that. Also lost in the 1st round with a team lead by, kobe, dwight, nash and gasol
@@keitho7365 look I don't agree with u saying gasol gave kobe two rings
Completely false
@@keitho7365 gasol was just an all star
Not an all nba talent
It’s so crazy that this was your first video ever. Insane actually. Real talent man. Idk how you even came up with this script. Some ESPN stuff.
I was getting emotional at the end! This was an outstanding video on my favorite player of all time
Smartest player in the league his entire career. 2nd best defender ever(Hakeem).
Won titles played under different sets of rules.
*Timmy was like water, to paraphrase Bruce Lee.*
Absolutely no weaknesses. And he could handle Shaq.
But best of all, he gave you what you needed, when you needed it the most.
"Timmy, if you don't get 8 rebounds in the 4th, we're going to lose." Gets 9.
I swear, this gets me misty eyed every time i see it. Such a great video man. and a fantastic series also. I wish it got more exposure as such the masterpiece it is.
watching this after TP Manu and Tim got introduced to the HOF
I was just telling a friend of mine; Duncan is a once in a lifetime player!! Dominated both end of the court. Hands down the best rim protector I've ever seen.
Awesome presentation for an all around class NBA player, thanks mate.
Three people nobody should sleep on: Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, and Clayton Crowley.
Glad to say that Manu and Tony are Hall of Famers now !
I grew up a hard core wake forest fan....still am. I was there for Tim Duncan's wake career, I was just a child, but I remember it. I actually was lucky enough to have met him. We were at a wake forest football game during the NBA strike back in the last 90s. He sat right in front of us. We got to chat with him the entire game...he gave me an autograph and played with my baby brother. He was so incredibly kind and humble. To me he is the goat...not just based off what this video pointed out....but for his loyalty to Wake Forest and for his genuine nature when I met him. ❤🙌
It’s sad that most don’t have him in their top 5s
not really, once you consider that there was NBA before the 1990s.
Joey Jo-Jo Shabadu what are you implying? That there were 5 better before the 90s. Because I disagree. Jordan, Kareem, Magic yes. But I have Duncan 4th after them. And Bird is 5 for me in case you were wondering
@@nbabackcourtmedia Ever heard of a guy named Wilt Chamberlain? How about Bill Russell? and you can't ignore Hakeem Olajuwon!
@@joeyjo-joshabadu9636 neither Wilt nor Hakeem are comparable career wise.
The sad thing about Bill is, he's either gonna be a definitve GOAT or not even top 7 for people,there is no middle ground.
@@blackeesh463 Olajuwon doesn't have Duncan's longevity but has easily the higher peak. Only player to ever be named League MVP, Finals MVP, and Defensive Player of the Year all in the same season. It's just too bad that he didn't have a steady supporting cast. He was drafted the same year as Jordan -the consensus GOAT, and quite frankly is the only player who comes close to him, during that era. Even Jordan said if he could have one player, excluding himself, he would pick Olajuwon. So yes, he is very comparable.
The same can not be said for Wilt Chamberlain. He's in his own galaxy.
He's probably the most extraordinary human athlete who ever lived. He still has more official records than any other player in league history, and his raw numbers are just hilarious.
Bruh Timmy D was a defensive god block numbers don’t mean jack.
He's still #1 in the playoffs ever lol
Plus minus numbers do. That's why Duncan is the greatest defender of all time.
The spurs defense has the big men help defense in mid range rather than only helping around the basket.
@@MrTinyTit FACTS
Most blocks in playoff history.
Excellent, excellent video. This is my second time through the series and I am still just as engaged as my first time through
One more character reference: "The day after he (Jackie Robinson) died, his wife called me and said I want you to be a pallbearer at Jackie's funeral. I said 'of course, but can I ask why; why me?' And she said, 'it's because you were Jackie's favorite athlete and because of the way you conducted yourself.’ And I feel the same way about you (Tim Duncan). You’ve played hard. You’ve played smart. You’ve won championships…." - Bill Russell
Damn. This is persuasive. Very persuasive. I routinely argue with the young why LeBron/Kobe/Curry aren't, because they wouldn't hold up to the physicality of the older game. The point that Duncan is/was/could be successful in any era is extremely persuasive. I know others here have noted that Manu and Parker are better than the video seems to credit them, but Duncan still made them. it's not like they were Worthy/Kareem or Parrish/McHale.
I agree with most of what you’re saying, but LBJ and Kobe (as much as I hate him) would have been great in any era also.
When I learned about Tim Duncan, I immediately loved him. He's very likeable and he's a very good player. I also love that he didn't play basketball until he got in high school. When you look at the best NBA players today, most have been playing since they were little. I didn't pick up a basketball at all until I was in middle school, so the fact that Tim Duncan could be so good despite beginning to play later in his life than most players gives me motivation.
I personally wouldn't call him the GOAT, but he's a really neat guy
Bro u honestly need way more subs for the quality of the content in ur vids keep grinding brother
Zarian Benjamin until this idiot gets over his Kobe issues, NO HE DOESN’T
Tim Duncan is like Basketball's Ichiro
Tim Duncan is the player who changed the fate of a franchise the most. The Spurs were so lucky to get him. I highly, highly doubt that they would have even sniffed the same amount of success of they hadn't got the first pick. He's the glue that holds a team together while being a dominant player on both sides. He might not have averaged 30 points a game for his entire career, but when you need to hit a shot to save your season, or need to show up to win a series, you go to him. And he would make that shot, or clutch the game. He would never lose because he didn't try hard enough, or because he didn't put in his all. No player has carried a team as hard as he has. Not even Wilt could carry a bad team. But Duncan did it, and never complained. Can you imagine if Duncan had a great second? If he had a top tier scorer as a teammate, he would have rivaled Russel in winning. Truly an all time great
@Clayton Crowley ...Love your videos, man!
I think this is, naturally, the weakest of the 6 arguments thus far. I agree with other commenters that Tim Duncan, in greatness, is much like a 21st century Bill Russell...which is precisely why, as great as he is, he's definitely not the GOAT. The basic criteria that puts Tim in the conversation (being a winner, being a team builder and teammate builder, being extremely consistent over time, being an all-time great defender, not giving a care about stats given team success, etc.) are the criteria that make him #2 to Bill Russell.
In other words, i think the Tim argument is much like the Kobe argument...the best he can finish, using the most favorable and relevant criteria for greatness, is #2 all time.
Thank you so much for making this video. I literally cried at the end when pop gave his farewell words to Timmy. To be honest, I don't think Timmy cares if he is in the GOAT conversation or not, he only cares about his spurs team and how he can still contribute even he is not there anymore.
In addition, I believe the true reason why he is not in the GOAT conversation is because of the NBA's nature as a business. Spurs has always been a small market team and they were extremely boring to watch before they started to run motion offence. Despite his success as a basketball player, Timmy definitely did not generate as much profit for the league as MJ and LeBron did, and the NBA certainly doesn't want someone playing boring basketball to be in the centre of the conversation.
At the end of the day, if Timmy doesn't care if he is the GOAT, I don't think we should care either. The more important thing to me is to keep looking up to him and be a friendly, humble, and selfless person as he has always been.
I think this video was not just an argument for Tim as GOAT, but also shone a light on his qualities as a player and a person. Stay safe, my friend.
I watched all episodes. This was a tremendous, well researched, and well written series. It made me change my perspective on what greatness, and what "the greatest of all time" means. And next to Bill Russell's, I'd say this was my favorite. Cheers.
Since the video came out, BOTH TP and Manu r in the HOF!! GO SPURS GO!!!