Thank you so much for watching this video (and the others, if you have). So many of these comments are so funny and supportive of the video, series, and channel that it's just surreal. I did, however, make an oopsie and say that LeBron was drafted in 2004, when in fact, he was drafted in 2003! Classic me.
Great series Clayton, and while I agree that Kobe Bryant doesn't have a case for GOAT, do you not think that George Mikan has one? 5 time NBA champion, rule changes made in order to stop him, defining the role of the big man, and has the statistics to back him up. I would really be interested in hearing your opinion about it.
@@Mazzawak I know my opinion doesnt matter, I would disagree with Mikan on the grounds that the league is so fundamentally changed since Mikan it would be impossible to view him aw the greatest. Unlike Baseball where the statistics and measurement for greatness has remained virtually unchanged since Babe Ruth started slugging 1.250 and Ty Cobb reached 4,000 hits, basketballs standard for greatness has shifted so far from Mikan's era and even the idea of dominance at the Center position was overtaken by the 3 guys Clayton profiled. From championships with Russell, to stats, accolades and longevity with Kareem to cultural impact with all the above for Jordan and LeBron, Mikan seems like an Oscar Robertson or Hakeem Olajuwon, certainly in the top 25 and you can make an argument for top 10 but doesn't in my eyes fit GOAT but I'd have him in my top 20
What's next for this channel? Obviously you've pointed out the 8 arguable GOATS in bball, but will you branch out of bball and make claims for GOATS in all other sports? I personally love this video series and want to see more!
"Built like Karl Malone, Passes like Bird, Jumps like Michael and a surveys the court like Magic Johnson.. Faster than the Strongest and Stronger than the fastest" Woow what a line!!
Zorain Green it happens bro! Ask any Great who they had the hardest time playing against, and they will almost certainly always name some 2nd tier athlete, that just uniquely knew how to cover that player. They will name the player and you’ll be like “who?”
Zorain Green look man I'm a huge LeBron fan and I now he had a bad performance that finals man but everyone has a choke job like magic he said in the video Larry bird Kobe and etc man so just because Jason Terry did had better performance then LeBron why doesn't it means he's all those things because he his he just had one bad performance man
@@zinjgreen3398 and jordan was outplayed in the 5 first years of his playoff carrer. So...... u think jordan is not the goat? He is but stil he also had his faults.
Man's got nothing to sell. Immediate advantage these days. Got to say, it's some of the most unbiased and balanced sports reporting I've seen in any sport. Keep it up.
@@swaggerbg5531 @Swagger BG On the paper maybe its not. But in reality they lost most games after 10 minutes and laqueen was free to score. They didn't even make the playoffs. So yes it proves my point ; scoring doesnt mean a shit at all. What if he made 50 ppg and still missed playoffs ?
Also laqueen didn't play A LOT of games that mattered the most, like in the end of the season. That coward didn't even want to take responsability of missing playoffs.
It’s big Bill Simmons 30 for 30 vibes and I’d love for Clayton to connect with him and get on a pod episode or something. A young guy as knowledgeable as him vs someone who started out very similar but damn near 30 would be a conversation I’d love to hear
Was that after MJ's 2nd retirement?.......correct me if I'm wrong that after returning from his first retirement that the Bulls won three rings and Michael Jordan won three MVP rings consecutively?, guess whats going to happen after Lebron's first retirement....no one will care about him little more than a season later.
his longevity is absolutely unreal and probably will be unmatched. he can basically do anything on the court and has done it for 19 years straight is unfathomable, the fact that he's still top 10 in year 19 is unheard of but also crazy to think about when you take into the account that he was the best rookie of his class and that he dominated the league from 2008-2018 (its not like it took him a while to rise to stardom but was a star as soon as he came into the league
yes add 6 finals losses soon the only player with 5000 turnovers a career 2.10 assist to turnover ratio cries whines flops jumps ship and recently acts like a 2 year old doesn't he have 2 bronze medals mj and kobe have golds ah he's the goat... in his mind and bronsexuals too
@@cdazo32 MJ's assist to turnover ratio is literally worse than Bron's lmao. Bron got the same amount of bronze and golds kobe does so what are you smoking with that point? Like I don't think bron's the goat, but these arguments are ridiculous. Just say MJ won more in less years and ur done lol
That kind of thinking is what separates the GOATS and other greats there is no 2nd place trophies it’s you either win or lose yeah he’s made it to more finals but he’s lost more than won. Losing is losing doesn’t matter if it’s the first round or finals, MJ knew this Bird Magic Bryant knew this no excuses you make it that far you HAVE to win
@@TheRaidernation33 In my country we have a lemme that says "nadar, nadar e morrer na praia", basically "swim,swim and die on the Beach"....How much matter If came this Far and couldn't take It home.
TheRaidernation33 Well according to detractors, it does matter. I see “3-6” everywhere when bashing LeBron. Yet nobody talks about first round exits from certain other players.
I realize this is way too late to be relevant in the conversation, but I was born in 2001. I've watched this series religiously and I decided that I would sit down with my dad and watch this LeBron one. As soon as the Jordan truthers comment came up, I asked him, "Why does LeBron get Jordan truthers so angry when it comes to GOAT conversations?" He simply said, "He's the only real threat." Needless to say, he loved this video and we watched the rest of the series together. You really changed his mind on Tim Duncan ("I never really saw him like that, but yeah, he's underrated") and LeBron to the point where he said that he thinks historically Jordan is 1 and LeBron will retire and 1A. Crazy stuff. Thanks for giving me and the old man a chance to talk about this on a more level playing field!
I knew it all along bro. That's the only explanation because if he weren't they wouldn't mention him so much. But to actually hear it from the horse's mouth is pretty dope.
As a guy who’s team Jordan in the GOAT debate the reason many people get so up in arms over LeBron is because LeBron is the biggest threat to their GOAT. Simple as that. They don’t admit it, but on a subconscious level that is the answer.
You hit the nail on the head. I think MJ is the greatest, but LeBron is my personal favorite between the two and I'd love for him or anyone else to pass MJ given his character.
The funny thing is that this series is so good and the arguments are so compelling that it only makes you feel LESS confident in who the G.O.A.T is due to the now 8 equally sound cases presented.
I think thats the intention, his intro says exactly that there is no way to say for certain if one player is the goat but he rties to give equally compeling arguments to the ones most popular, that he thinks that would make sense to discuss, and does that flawlessly
Which is how it should be. Not that it should make you ultimately change who you think your GOAT is, but it will hopefully make you at least acknowledge that other opinions are also valid.
It is a great series, but I think Bird, Magic, and especially Russel and Duncan all have pretty dubious goat claims. If in any given year, you aren't clearly the best player in the world, how can you be the goat? LeBron probably has the longest continuous reign of best player in the league. 2008-2017 or even until present. Jordan had like 1990-1998 but the last year is fairly dubious and he had a 2 year gap.
@@1987retroman I don't see how Russels claim is dubious. In a competitive sport surely the best winner of all time should automatically be in the conversation for G.O.A.T. Not saying they automatically are the best but you've gotta be considered.
I was a Lebron hater when I was younger, I almost hated him as much as I hated Kobe which says a lot, especially as a Spurs fan. However, I realized how wrong I was after Kobe declined and eventually retired, I never enjoyed his run and was genuinely sad to see Kobe leave the game, and that caused me to pivot and learn to appreciate all of the things lebron does. He's the most complete player I think i'll ever see, I hope he can win 2 or 3 more rings before we transition into the next era of basktball.
The fact that he added another ring, another FMVP, became the all-time leading scorer in NBA regular season history, and had the insane stats at 38 AFTER this video made an argument for him being the GOAT is quite a testament to who he is as a player.
@@NowayTino AND he'll break Oscar Schmidt's record of 49,737 points scored in a professional career, and take his total over 50,000. Greatest scorer ever.
Give me a detailed list of what he's put in his body over the years (you can't- I guarantee he juiced his entire career and being such a cash cow was given the green light to do so), how much money he spent, how many games he missed (compared to Jordan), how many times he just gave up on plating defense, etc... then we'll have some context for his durability longevity.
@dylan9013 No, that's actually a highly flawed way of thinking. In recent years people have gotten too obsessed by "facts and evidence" to the point where they've lost nearly all wisdom, foresight, and common sense. Someone might hypothesize that if we created a national speed limit of 300mph, it would result in more car accidents. These days, someone like you will come along and say "that's not true there's no evidence of that" while seemingly making a laughable attempt at siezing some perceived intellectual high ground. People are so obsessed with "facts and evidence" they would justify buying a used car with advertised "New hood! New front bumper! New radiator! Fresh paint!" simply because they see 4 facts and know that new parts are better than old parts. They can't recognize that the vehicle has been in a wreck because they've lost all common sense. Be aware that you may be starting to lose sight of the forest due to all the trees.
@@extremelypositiveperson1811 i can't believe he is still going at mvp levels...favorite to win finals mvp with a 3rd different coach and team...alot of ppl get extra salty with him in these debates because deep down in their hearts they know he has a legit claim to throne as much as jordan or any other great they want to put there.
It sounds a lot cooler than it is. To meet the criteria say in today’s NBA all you would have to do is be stronger than De’Aron Fox and faster than Andre Drummond. That’s pretty much just every SG, SF, and PF in the league, also includes a lot of PGs and Cs.
I'd say for the first half of his career Lebron WAS the fastest in the league. He's still the quickest power forward, and he still chases down guards from behind.
Great series finale. Entertaining, insightful, persuasive. Well done, Mr Crowley. Interested to see what the LeBron haters come back with and looking forward to the next series/videos.
The arts (music particularly) do it too. It can make a few careers but it destroys thousands consistently, and leaves them with a host of mental health problems to boot.
@@tahsinthoughtsIt really affects how we talk about any player. We always say “What if” to any player who didn’t pan out or didn’t reach their potential due to injury or had some sort of tragedy strike them… eg. T-Mac, Vince Carter, Brandon Roy, Len Bias.
5 lebron James on a starting team would absolutely destroy a team consisting of wilt chamberlain, bill Russell,Oscar Robertson, magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan. He would embarrass wilt chamberlain and bill Russell around the basket. He would make magic Johnson look like a high schooler. And Michael Jordan would be exposed by lebron James as a wannabe NBA player. Oscar Robertson would look like a junior high school basketball team substitute. If he wants to lebron James would average 40 points a game, 25 rebounds, 10 blocks, and 15 assists in every game.
i think his athleticism along with higher basketball iq would give him the edge over bird. He also better defense on perimeter and inside, and 5 different lebron's of pure athleticism and high level plays would overwhelm bird despite bird's wide arsenal of scoring methods.
A view and argument on LeBron James that I have never seen or heard before, and what an argument it is. Awesome series, fantastic throughout. Looking forward to your future content, Clayton “Clutch” Crawley! 😁🏀
That is the perfect way to describe LeBron’s physical attributes "he’s not the strongest or the fastest, but he’s stronger than the fastest and faster than the strongest"
Jordan is still my GOAT, but LeBron has earned the right to be in the conversation. Anyone who downplays LeBron's achievements on the court shouldn't be taken seriously.
Iam an mj fan but lebron is truly the perfect basketball player I mean in 2k my career I always modeled my player to a 6'9 250 lbs Small Forward with the speed of a guard strength of a power forward center and durability of a small forward
I immediately dropped all that I was doing for this video. What a gem of a series. You have a serious knack for writing, video editing, and narrating. Great video.
@Trap Settingz He spends millions on his body a year. He cuts out foods and lives on a strict diet specifically made to make him the strongest he can be
@Trap Settingz Its always funny how some people will say this and when you ask why the be like "just look at him". Then you point dudes like Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Giannis, and Zion and they be like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Dude is just gifted and takes care of himself.
@@SokinRidisthe hate will never end it and it will always be his biggest argument as the greatest. Why would Jordan fanboys get so in their feelings about him versus any other goat candidate? Because it's just those two. No one else is truly on that level.
The ‘16 finals felt like a glitch in the simulation. I was rooting for Bron the whole time but at 3-1 against that historic Warriors team, I thought it was over... Without a doubt the greatest testament to his legacy imo
@@Ratchetface Kevin love wasn’t playing at an all star level in first two years in Cleveland so basically it was kyrie and good role players around him
“They don’t boo bums” I think about this quote every time the anti Lebron gang shows up on a vid like this. This is some of the best basketball content on UA-cam tho, can’t wait to see what you do next.
I've always said this. Put Michael Jordan against every finals opponent LeBron had to face and I'd bet my life he doesn't go 6-0. The Fact that LeBron was able to win 4 rings against damn near perfect teams is extraordinary. A wise man once said "Jordan can make a Good team into a Great team, but LeBron can turn a Bad team into a Good team".
@Sneatt I don't know if Jordan would have gone 6-0 against today's teams. Do you know why? Because I don't know how good he would be at team jumping and creating insta-dynasties, like LeBron. Jordan didn't get to pick and choose his teams, coaches, and teammates. He didn't get to take his talents to South Beach and play on super teams, coming out of weak conferences, yet still lose to underdogs like LeBron. So, yeah, I don't know. He might have gone 8-0 if he had been able to do that.
@@johnjones528 Absolutely not. He was blessed to be drafted to the bulls and have a god team built around him. He was blessed to have a legendary coach like Phil Jackson. You're right, he didn't need to jump from team to team like LeBron because he was never in a bad situation. I also believe Jordan wouldn't have won 6 rings if he did leave the bulls. Jordan was just blessed to hit his prime in the 90's when there was no dynasties like in the 80's and 2000's. LeBron is the Goat. Sorry bro.
@@Sneatt First of all, I watched Jordan in college and saw him come out of UNC to play with the Chicago Bulls. Phil Jackson was NOT a legendary coach when he joined the Bulls. He BECAME legendary coaching Jordan. What NBA team did PHil Jackson coach before he signed on with the Bulls? Oh, that's right! He didn't coach in the NBA. He coached the Albany Patroons, the Piratas de Quebradillas (1984 and 1987) and the Gallitos de Isabela (1984-1986). He regularly sought out NBA teams to coach , but was frequently turned down.
@MUFC I disagree, soccer has been around the longest and basketball is a relatively new sport that is expanding extremely fast, american football is literally only played in north america, soccer is played around the world but U.S. is becoming the trandsettter around the world due to social media and NO ONE in U.S. is playing soccer, at least none of the cool kids are
This series belongs beside Kobe Bryant's "Dear Basketball" as the greatest love letters written to the sport ever. You didn't just make a series of arguments for the greatest player. You wrote pure poetry about a love for the game that we all struggle to articulate as fans, but understand inherently. I'll be coming back to watch these for years to come.
If you put someone smaller on him, he will bully him. If you put someone big on him, he will leave them in the dust. If you put 2 on him he will find the open man.
Let's not forget the fact that LeBron went against another player who's arguably the greatest to ever do it too, Tim Duncan and a stacked spurs team, he lost to on his first year with a trash Cavs team leading them to the finals against the spurs as well as beating them as well and losing again. This was INSANE competition as it's two players on each team who can be argued as the best ever players. That's insane. Kudos to LeBron, give credit to any player who earned it Tim Duncan and LeBron earned it.
Good point, but there have been other situations like the one you mentioned. Kareem and Oscar. Kareem and Magic, versus Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and the Celts. Doc and Moses vs. Kareem and Magic, etc.
HyTz Vorkkz it’s saying nobody stronger then him can out move him, and nobody faster then him can out power him. Means a lot considering his speed and strength are relatively insane. How can you beat that?
I think that his transformation truly began once he went to Miami. There he also put shooting and post offense in his arsenal, and since then, he just was on another level. Pre Miami, he was faster, stronger and youth, but then he added the entire package. Killer player
@@TheASSSASINIf Lebron had a coach that ran the triangle offense as well as Phil Jackson he would surpass Bill Russell lmao, Shaq would be the cherry on top.
@@kissvigafria1213 nah he’s not close minded just completely oblivious to his own ignorance. Sad to see people still creampieing Jordan every chance they get🤦♂️
Totally agree. I hate both sides of the argument. Bronsexuals and Jordansexuals alike. Neither side can think maturely. Bronsexuals keep making shallow excuses, while Jordansexuals keep making "arguments" that make them look really insecure.
Lebron is old enough that guys in the league now should be saying they watched him growing up. Instead they say they watched Kobe. Because all he does is cry. I don't care what he's done in basketball, how he's endangered first responders by promoting anti-police narratives makes him an eternal loser. I used to think he was at least a better person than MJ, but now we can all see that he is just a professional crybaby.
"Built like Karl Malone, passes like Bird, jumps like Jordan and surveys the court like Magic. He is not the strongest or the fastest but he is faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest" That’s just the perfect description of LeBron James
@@johnjones528Jordan is nowhere built like Malone, a mediocre passer, does not have even half the vision of magic and the last quote is subjective. You just pulled something out of ur ass because your so offended by who the true GOAT really is.
So, full disclosure here. I normally don’t entertain a lot of “Lebron is the GOAT” arguments. I roll my eyes at a TON of what Shannon Sharpe says about the guy. However, this video series has garnered a ton of respect with me. It’s one of the few that seems to take a truly fact based, objective, well researched, approach to who is “the GOAT”. Because of that, I watched this video open minded. Clayton, honestly, you have made me reconsider my stance on Lebron. I don’t know that I’d say he definitely WAS the greatest ever, but you showed me that he certainly deserves to be in the conversation. This series is just awesome for how mind opening it is to a topic that most of us don’t really think deeply about.
What’s good to know is you aren’t too late to be able appreciate him live! I’d say he’s got Atleast 3 upper echelon years left. Maybe by the end, he will eventually change your mind fully
I appreciate your open-mindedness dude. Fans should be more like you. I used to be a LeBron hater as well, because of the "Decision". But once I actually looked at the facts and became open-minded, I realized that LeBron actually can be the GOAT. He has accomplished significantly harder things than Jordan did. Simply going up against all-time great dynasties in 7 finals (SEVEN!!!) was something Jordan has never done in his career. Jordan has not even faced a single all-time great dynasty in his prime.
@@davebuilds7261 I doubt it lol.. thier are too many things that still put Jordan over lebron... I have always thought even from my childhood watching Jordan that the player that would take his throne would be a Scottie Pippen type player which lebron is... and I thought he was going to be the one to take Jordan down.. but he has to many missed opportunities for me and many others to crown him... ESPECIALLY with the talent he played with in Miami and Cleveland the 2and time around
Vernon Herbert you have to be kidding me. I guess you didn’t watch the video. Lebron is not a pippen type of player, in Miami the only missed opportunity was Dallas. In 2014 wade averaged 12 ppg and bosh averaged 15 ppg, ehhh right? Then in Cleveland lebron only had one year where he had both kyrie and love.. guess what, they won. Soo you had a baseless comment about lebron being like pippen, and then an inaccurate presentation of what lebron had in Miami and his second tenure in Cleveland. Wanna try again? I’m not saying your wrong because you think jordan is better, I’m saying I think you’re wrong because of your reasoning that you gave me for bron not being as good, is flawed
That ending was cathartic, as a Warriors fan I could feel that pain of him taking away our greatest season of all time, as well as the glory of brining the Land a title.
@@Ratchetface didn’t quit on his team? Maybe if the team gave him some help he wouldn’t have to leave. You don’t start with the reaction you have to start with the problem
@Marcus Carpenter now wt u can say is lebron can win with multiple ppl can u say Jordan can win without Scottie. I can say Kobe can win without shaq. And plus Jordan can’t even go to the finals without another star dude was getting swept never had a winning season without Scottie
I think this is the most convincing case. I love MJ I really do, and I grew up a Lakers fan watching Kobe and rooting against LeBron. But looking back now at what he has been able to do with what he was given, I don't think anyone could have done more. It's a real privilege to have been able to see him as both a rival and a home player.
What a fantastic conclusion to my favorite series on UA-cam. I can't even imagine how many times I've gone back and re-watched the other episodes just waiting for this one to drop. Before Making the Case, I'd never have thought to include Tim Duncan in the GOAT conversation. It never occurred to me that Larry Bird was the embodiment of what people mean when they say "intangibles." I never considered that a quiet competitor like Kareem and an iconic, flashy star like Magic could have a claim to the same throne. Or that Bill Russell, who I only knew as the guy with 11 rings, could represent what it means to play team basketball. What surprised me most was when I found myself most convinced that Wilt Chamberlain, who I once saw as overrated and stat-obsessed, was the greatest to ever do it. Or, that Michael Jordan's case, probably the strongest and most well-accepted out there, left me the least convinced, which is a testament to the quality of this series. And now this: a finale fitting for a journey seven months in the making. Clayton, you magnificent man, I can't wait to see what you do next.
The series is amazing, but it is clear to me that he didn't put much effort when doing the MJ video. All the other videos have a stronger narrative which makes sense as he's trying to convince people that there`s a debate where there's not haha
The Jordan case was the weakest because he was trying to set up the Lebron case. Most of the Jordan case was just passively aggressively tearing him down pretending he's only "responding to common criticisms". He put very little effort into it. He's young though so he's likely a victim of recency bias. Probably legitimately wants Lebron to be the GOAT so MJ lives rent free in his head because he knows MJ's case is stronger.
I love how u don’t talk about the same points that every body brings up when talking about the goat debate for all of these players. Very creative way of a conversation
Clayton, let me tell you something, I hope when LeBron retires you come back to this video and remake it. I personally believe with the steam the Lakers have right now he’s got one more ring for sure coming his way. With that ring it’ll add more fuel to flame that is his legacy. This is about as passionate of a video I’ve ever seen. The arguments made were fair and put out with context. I can appreciate the superb writing you had in the script and I couldn’t describe LeBron in a better way: “Faster than the Strongest but Stronger than the Fastest.” Poetry man, keep up the good work.
The writing in this series has been absolutely fantastic. Legit some of the best sportswriting I've seen on youtube. Can't wait to see what you make next!
LeBron isn’t struggling. He’s about to lead the league in scoring in his 19th season. He proved 2 seasons ago he can still be the best player on a championship team
I think one of the most impressive things about Lebron is how he came from nothing. I mean, lots of the greats had humble beginnings but Lebron really came from nowhere. Single teen mom, poverty. Have to admire it. And this is from a Warriors fan that hates his guts for 2016.
His story is amazing and I believe all the hate he receives will disappear when he retires. Once people start assessing his whole legacy, they'll realise they were lucky to witness one of the GOATs.
@@Figs3 yeah, that’s why you don’t hear players talking shit about other players. They know what it takes to get to that level. It’s just the so-called shithead ‘fans’ who talk shit about players.
"Lebron had to form a super team!" ...mj HAD the super team... mj had a HOF coach. Mj had the highest recorded team ELO rating in all of NBA history. The bulls had a higher rating than the KD/Curry warriors did. Imagine that. Every time mj won he had a team BETTER than the warriors with KD.
Hes better every single year hes came out and showed dominanve since he been in the league while winning and having success on every team he played for every year jordan didnt start off winning nor did he end winning
Damn man that 2016 finals always brings me to tears when you realize what he went through and what it meant to be the leader to come back and win it all. Great clip
I think the issue with Lebron and Jordan believers is people who believe Lebron is the goat can respect people who think Jordan is the goat, but people who think Jordan is the goat thinks Lebron is the worst player to ever pick up a basketball.
I respect LBJ argument in some ways, in some ways he is the best ever. I don't "hate" LBJ or his fans because I watched both players and I think MJ was more dominant, specifically I've only seen 1 or 2 playoffs where LBJ matched MJs playoff intensity. On the flip side, the weirdest thing I see from young LeBron fans who didn't watch the Bulls is this fantasy that every Jordan teammate was some offensive hall of famer. Some of his teams were stacked defensively but LeBron has overall had more offensive talent around him in his career. Other than Pippen and Rodman, nobody would even know the name of Jordan's teammates if they hadn't played with MJ. Everybody would know AD, Wade, Bosh, Kyrie and Love if those players had never played with LBJ.
@@Bushwhaker It's literally not, how many people online or irl claim that Jordan isn't top 5, now how many claim that LeBron isn't top 5, huge difference
I've watched it a dozen times, the ending still gives me tears to my eyes and shivers down my spine. Phenomenal! LeBron should watch this and Clayton you should be one of narrators of his future documentaries.
@Dominic dominic dude... If you re funny like this each and every time you speak, you should start some stand up comedy, but please stop watching basket Ball 😜😜
Just watched this gem of a video 2 years after it was released, and I gotta say, Clayton does make 1 hell of a case, as a Spurs fan the Tim Duncan case video was particularly enjoyable to watch, but this, the writing, the narration and the choice of music was all just perfect, I almost shed a tear at the end lol and then I remembered that I'm supposed to be hating the guy, especially after the heartbreak of the 2013 finals, but my goodness what video, what a case, what a player...!!!
What’s wild is that this video already convinced so many people (not me, Kareem has always been my GOAT) but LeBron just added a championship this week that just strengthened his case. He’s truly something special
and the way him and AD play, I would not be surprised if they 3peat. It'd be really hard to not call him the GOAT with a 3peat, 6 titles, and 12 finals.
I know you said Kareem is your GOAT but uh...Michael Jordan and Lebron James: The Complete Statistical Guide with Stunning Conclusion ua-cam.com/video/PEHxskXKgD4/v-deo.html Jordan has 22 total trophies in 13 1/2 seasons. Kareem got 15 total trophies in 20 seasons! ain't even close bro
These videos are so awesome, persuasive and high quality. No disrespect but You really had me thinking Larry Bird was the goat 😭. These vids genuinely changed thinking towards my top 10 list. Jordan’s still my GOAT but Timmy and Bill Russell jumped up my all time list.
@@switchhitter9000 nah the guy i replied to was saying some bs, so i corrected him. Of course he needs help when almost every team he played against in the finals is an alltime great team
LeBron is the only player in history of sports that has been argued being the goat for 10+ years and still playing. When he's done it will be interesting to remake these kind of videos with all the stats and history. He's definitely on the mount Rushmore of basketball and the greatest of our era. The most complete player ever. Don't even mention what he did for the players empowerment and outside basketball.
"He's LeBron James, the most valuable basketball player ever. The most complete basketball player who's ever lived. The greatest basketball player of all time." That hit different 😭
@@TheTariqibnziyad doesn't have a reliable floater midranger, perimeter defence is a joke, in that case jordan had an inconsistent three ball, subpar playmaking, interior defense subpar we don't evaluate a player based on what they not good at we evaluate what they can do like saying steph curry would be bad if couldn't shoot, obviously that's what he is elite at, the quote was based on the premise that lebron james is has the combination of elite playmaking, scoring and defence the three most pivotal aspects of the game of basketball. Not to mention James is an above average mid range shooter, he doesn't need to use floaters because he is an elite athlete who can finish above the rim, and considering he is 260 pounds 6'9 he moves his feet like a guard. Please stop with these shitty takes who do not know basketball, btw micheal jordan is above average at what i mentioned before just his not as good as he is in other aspects of the game, i was just using them as examples to show you how autistic your comments were
For me, that 3-1 comeback along with the first Cavs team he ever took to the finals had already convinced me, there is no other player in the history of the NBA that has ever meant more and been more valuable than LeBron. Now that he is 36 and was number 1 or 2 in the MVP ladder all year until his injury, and lead the Lakers with only AD (AD is an amazing player to have as a backup, nothing against AD) as a reliable 2nd option to a championship as a 35-year-old, leaves no doubt in my mind. What I find incredibly interesting/funny is that the one season LeBron doesn't make the finals, an Eastern Conference team wins it all, after a whole decade where people kept on saying the Eastern Conference was a joke Conference just because LeBron would always make it look easy.
These video essays are probably the most complete, well-produced video essays I've seen in a long time. Quality bursting at the seams. This is... The greatest video essay series of all time. But in all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if something like this gets picked up by Netflix, but if you stay on UA-cam, I would love to see a collab between you and Jon Bois's Chart Party!
I do believe MJ is the GOAT, but I completely understand the argument for LeBron and everyone else included in this series. Great job on the whole project Clayton.
@@er45ung22 hur hur, they didn't make the playoffs... even though they were the 5th seed before he was injured and he actually elevated them to that in the West from being well outside the playoffs the year before.
The reason this video gets people in an uproar and the others didn't is because it's obvious that the others really aren't a threat to MJ's GOAT claim, while LBJ truly is.
Best UA-cam series ever! I've recommended this to all my friends. Love your arguments, your perspective, and your willingness to acknowledge as many reactions/counterpoints as you can. Great content Clayton, keep it up. I'll definitely be following.
Love this video Acknowledged his low points, and also that it "doesnt define" him as way too many people try convince themselves Smashed the finals "losses" debate out the park too Just earnt yourself a subscriber
It did justify a couple of them, but still 2011 is a big stain. It doesn't define him, but it will always be brought up when his case is discussed. The fact that Magic had bad finals series is not a valid excuse, especially since Magic was up against a lot better team than Maverics, and a lot betrer player than LBJ was against.
@@IceMicko While Im not disapproving anything you said, Those Maverics are THE MOST UNDERRATED team in NBA HISTORY. They destroyed Kobe (won chip last year) - but no one talks about that, destroyed three young HOF player in OKC (plus, amazing bench) - no one talks about that, and even 1st round was against tough veteran team. That Maverics team from top to bottom WAS BETTER THAN THE HEAT. Yet no one will EVER agree to that, because it doesn't fit the narrative. Yes - James choked. But he played One of the greatest and perfectly matched team of all time. Everything came together for that team. And from 1 to 15 - its way better theam than Bosh, wade and lbj + 12 scrub players.
@@iFranOne I really wouldnt call Arroyo, Bibi, Eddie House, Mario Chalmers, Jerry Stackhouse, Udonis Haslem scrubs. Maverics performed better, but by the names (and cocncidering the age of the players) Heat was better.
@@IceMicko the only one that wasnt a scrub yet was udonis. But even he wasnt used correctly. As I said in 2011 that Mavs gonna win, I still stand by it. It was no surprise for me. They were way better team with way better game-plan and better coach at that time. I thought its gonna be 7 game series - it was 6. So its opinions and opinions. But Ill take '11 Mavs over any other team that year. And Im LAL fan who has HUGE respect for LBJ. But after plowing through KOBE I knew that its over for the rest of the league that year.
@@iFranOne even if you do count them as scrubs, which is too hursh, by that standards you could count most of Maverics as scrubs, as they were bunch of veterans waaaay out of their prime. Stojakovic for example played great series vs Lakers, but barely got any minutes vs Heat. It wasn't the talent that was in question, but their physical shape, which does come into play in best of 7 series in NBA final, after 3 more BO7 series.
I'm not gonna lie, having lived in Northeast Ohio my whole life, that feeling when LeBron hit that free throw and made it a 2 possession game will never be replicated for me
Seeing this in 2023 afte Bron broke the scoring record is truly amazing, there was a case to why he his the goat long before he won a chip in LA and broke Kareem record, truly legandary.
Thank you so much for watching this video (and the others, if you have). So many of these comments are so funny and supportive of the video, series, and channel that it's just surreal.
I did, however, make an oopsie and say that LeBron was drafted in 2004, when in fact, he was drafted in 2003!
Classic me.
Great series Clayton, and while I agree that Kobe Bryant doesn't have a case for GOAT, do you not think that George Mikan has one? 5 time NBA champion, rule changes made in order to stop him, defining the role of the big man, and has the statistics to back him up. I would really be interested in hearing your opinion about it.
You should do julius erving
@@Mazzawak I know my opinion doesnt matter, I would disagree with Mikan on the grounds that the league is so fundamentally changed since Mikan it would be impossible to view him aw the greatest. Unlike Baseball where the statistics and measurement for greatness has remained virtually unchanged since Babe Ruth started slugging 1.250 and Ty Cobb reached 4,000 hits, basketballs standard for greatness has shifted so far from Mikan's era and even the idea of dominance at the Center position was overtaken by the 3 guys Clayton profiled. From championships with Russell, to stats, accolades and longevity with Kareem to cultural impact with all the above for Jordan and LeBron, Mikan seems like an Oscar Robertson or Hakeem Olajuwon, certainly in the top 25 and you can make an argument for top 10 but doesn't in my eyes fit GOAT but I'd have him in my top 20
@Clayton Crowley. Please please make a case for the Black Mamba. Thank you! God bless. 🐍 #For24
What's next for this channel? Obviously you've pointed out the 8 arguable GOATS in bball, but will you branch out of bball and make claims for GOATS in all other sports? I personally love this video series and want to see more!
"Built like Karl Malone, Passes like Bird, Jumps like Michael and a surveys the court like Magic Johnson.. Faster than the Strongest and Stronger than the fastest" Woow what a line!!
Uet was outplayed by role player in a series, not just a game the whole series!!
Zorain Green it happens bro! Ask any Great who they had the hardest time playing against, and they will almost certainly always name some 2nd tier athlete, that just uniquely knew how to cover that player. They will name the player and you’ll be like “who?”
@@bgbills10 you can be outplayed in a game by a star is ok but the whole series by a role player is unforgivable
Zorain Green look man I'm a huge LeBron fan and I now he had a bad performance that finals man but everyone has a choke job like magic he said in the video Larry bird Kobe and etc man so just because Jason Terry did had better performance then LeBron why doesn't it means he's all those things because he his he just had one bad performance man
@@zinjgreen3398 and jordan was outplayed in the 5 first years of his playoff carrer. So...... u think jordan is not the goat? He is but stil he also had his faults.
So today I'll be making the case, for Making the Case, as the most entertaining and fair basketball GOAT series of all time.
What the hell are you doing here?
Jack Bernstein I was gonna say the same thing
Cubfan watches basketball???
Ah yes, minecraft player
Better than the last dance by far
I love how one random guy on the internet can make a better series than an entire global company.
Fan analysis is always the best
@@dakidbiscuit624 frfr
Man's got nothing to sell. Immediate advantage these days. Got to say, it's some of the most unbiased and balanced sports reporting I've seen in any sport. Keep it up.
UA-cam rewind?
True
This was made two years ago, LBJ has won another title since and is leading the league in scoring at 37 averaging 30.1 - 8.2 - 6.3... year 19
and his 4th finals mvp
scoring doesn't mean a shitt at all. All the teams have played for lebron to score.
He still has a pretty shitty %
@@valuxlevelux5618 30 ppg on 52 percent from the field is shitty?
@@swaggerbg5531 @Swagger BG On the paper maybe its not. But in reality they lost most games after 10 minutes and laqueen was free to score.
They didn't even make the playoffs.
So yes it proves my point ; scoring doesnt mean a shit at all. What if he made 50 ppg and still missed playoffs ?
Also laqueen didn't play A LOT of games that mattered the most, like in the end of the season. That coward didn't even want to take responsability of missing playoffs.
Next you should make a case series for the greatest NBA teams of all time examples 96 Bulls, 16 Warriors, Showtime Lakers etc.
YESSSSS
Celtics hands down
CLAYTON PLEASE
that is such a good idea
AMEN
This series is better than any thing ESPN could ever do. Props to you
Lol you must've never watched 30 for 30. When espn tries they're spectacular
Honestly
This is the most unbias video on MJ Lebron Comparison. ua-cam.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/v-deo.html
It’s big Bill Simmons 30 for 30 vibes and I’d love for Clayton to connect with him and get on a pod episode or something. A young guy as knowledgeable as him vs someone who started out very similar but damn near 30 would be a conversation I’d love to hear
@@kennethli8 Just because he says “Jordan is the Goat” doesn’t make it unbiased
They've been a spotlight on this man career since he was 16 years old he's a goat for not going insane
There is no such thing as "A GOAT"
Sam Parker he was just messing lol
All facts. Most would’ve been snapped.
@@Akgamestar137 I know I would lol.
Was that after MJ's 2nd retirement?.......correct me if I'm wrong that after returning from his first retirement that the Bulls won three rings and Michael Jordan won three MVP rings consecutively?, guess whats going to happen after Lebron's first retirement....no one will care about him little more than a season later.
The coolest thing about lebron is that you could probably add another 20 minutes to this video by the time he’s retired what a legend man
his longevity is absolutely unreal and probably will be unmatched. he can basically do anything on the court and has done it for 19 years straight is unfathomable, the fact that he's still top 10 in year 19 is unheard of but also crazy to think about when you take into the account that he was the best rookie of his class and that he dominated the league from 2008-2018 (its not like it took him a while to rise to stardom but was a star as soon as he came into the league
I hope he has the longest career ever
The coolest thing about LeBron is :: He Plays In Jordan's Old Number. ... there is nothing else "Cool" about that drama queen!!
yes add 6 finals losses soon the only player with 5000 turnovers a career 2.10 assist to turnover ratio cries whines flops jumps ship and recently acts like a 2 year old doesn't he have 2 bronze medals mj and kobe have golds ah he's the goat... in his mind and bronsexuals too
@@cdazo32 MJ's assist to turnover ratio is literally worse than Bron's lmao. Bron got the same amount of bronze and golds kobe does so what are you smoking with that point? Like I don't think bron's the goat, but these arguments are ridiculous. Just say MJ won more in less years and ur done lol
"How is it that going to the Finals and losing, is worse than not making it at all?!"
My thoughts exactly..
That kind of thinking is what separates the GOATS and other greats there is no 2nd place trophies it’s you either win or lose yeah he’s made it to more finals but he’s lost more than won. Losing is losing doesn’t matter if it’s the first round or finals, MJ knew this Bird Magic Bryant knew this no excuses you make it that far you HAVE to win
@@TheRaidernation33 In my country we have a lemme that says "nadar, nadar e morrer na praia", basically "swim,swim and die on the Beach"....How much matter If came this Far and couldn't take It home.
One I agree you make it that far and you can’t close the deal then you’ve failed.
TheRaidernation33 Well according to detractors, it does matter. I see “3-6” everywhere when bashing LeBron. Yet nobody talks about first round exits from certain other players.
gush beats Mj was heavily criticized for losing early in career what are you talking about?
This is the best basketball series of videos ever made.
It’s beautiful bro
So true
amen
Agreed
Some would say, the greatest basketball series of all time
I realize this is way too late to be relevant in the conversation, but I was born in 2001. I've watched this series religiously and I decided that I would sit down with my dad and watch this LeBron one. As soon as the Jordan truthers comment came up, I asked him, "Why does LeBron get Jordan truthers so angry when it comes to GOAT conversations?" He simply said, "He's the only real threat."
Needless to say, he loved this video and we watched the rest of the series together. You really changed his mind on Tim Duncan ("I never really saw him like that, but yeah, he's underrated") and LeBron to the point where he said that he thinks historically Jordan is 1 and LeBron will retire and 1A. Crazy stuff. Thanks for giving me and the old man a chance to talk about this on a more level playing field!
That's dope
I knew it all along bro. That's the only explanation because if he weren't they wouldn't mention him so much. But to actually hear it from the horse's mouth is pretty dope.
ur dad is a wise man
Ur lucky to have such a reasonable dad
@@JahleelX-xx9wd The louder they hate the more they fear. Almost 20 years since he was first deemed The Chosen One. We are all witness.
As a guy who’s team Jordan in the GOAT debate the reason many people get so up in arms over LeBron is because LeBron is the biggest threat to their GOAT. Simple as that. They don’t admit it, but on a subconscious level that is the answer.
Saying what was on my mind
Lebron is the only real competition
You hit the nail on the head. I think MJ is the greatest, but LeBron is my personal favorite between the two and I'd love for him or anyone else to pass MJ given his character.
@@jackpeterson305 Kareem
He’s not even close
The funny thing is that this series is so good and the arguments are so compelling that it only makes you feel LESS confident in who the G.O.A.T is due to the now 8 equally sound cases presented.
Like after every video I felt like I redid my alltime ranking
I think thats the intention, his intro says exactly that there is no way to say for certain if one player is the goat but he rties to give equally compeling arguments to the ones most popular, that he thinks that would make sense to discuss, and does that flawlessly
Which is how it should be. Not that it should make you ultimately change who you think your GOAT is, but it will hopefully make you at least acknowledge that other opinions are also valid.
It is a great series, but I think Bird, Magic, and especially Russel and Duncan all have pretty dubious goat claims. If in any given year, you aren't clearly the best player in the world, how can you be the goat? LeBron probably has the longest continuous reign of best player in the league. 2008-2017 or even until present. Jordan had like 1990-1998 but the last year is fairly dubious and he had a 2 year gap.
@@1987retroman I don't see how Russels claim is dubious. In a competitive sport surely the best winner of all time should automatically be in the conversation for G.O.A.T. Not saying they automatically are the best but you've gotta be considered.
I was a Lebron hater when I was younger, I almost hated him as much as I hated Kobe which says a lot, especially as a Spurs fan. However, I realized how wrong I was after Kobe declined and eventually retired, I never enjoyed his run and was genuinely sad to see Kobe leave the game, and that caused me to pivot and learn to appreciate all of the things lebron does. He's the most complete player I think i'll ever see, I hope he can win 2 or 3 more rings before we transition into the next era of basktball.
I appreciate that you can see the game objectively and without bias. You my friend are a legit basketball fan and we need more people like you.
He is pretty likely to get one this year
Every spurs fan around the world backs you up.
Well, he's likely gonna get one this year (unless the Heat continue their rampage all the way)
We about to go in to the Luka Doncic Era no cap
Whether he is your GOAT or not, its goddamn refreshing to see everyone showing respect in the comments.
Xavier Bucknor nah I slandered him
@@raw5889 That's because you're a clown
still lot’s of shit in the replies bud
it’s just the sad reality of youtube comments
specially compared to Twitter
Lebron is a joke
The fact that he added another ring, another FMVP, became the all-time leading scorer in NBA regular season history, and had the insane stats at 38 AFTER this video made an argument for him being the GOAT is quite a testament to who he is as a player.
He is now the inaugural In Season Tournament winner, on his way to be the first man to score 40,000 points, and continues to score
@@NowayTino AND he'll break Oscar Schmidt's record of 49,737 points scored in a professional career, and take his total over 50,000. Greatest scorer ever.
Give me a detailed list of what he's put in his body over the years (you can't- I guarantee he juiced his entire career and being such a cash cow was given the green light to do so), how much money he spent, how many games he missed (compared to Jordan), how many times he just gave up on plating defense, etc... then we'll have some context for his durability longevity.
@@oceanwaves83 basing your argument on something you can't prove (him being juiced) is not an honest argument. Nice try though.
@dylan9013 No, that's actually a highly flawed way of thinking. In recent years people have gotten too obsessed by "facts and evidence" to the point where they've lost nearly all wisdom, foresight, and common sense.
Someone might hypothesize that if we created a national speed limit of 300mph, it would result in more car accidents. These days, someone like you will come along and say "that's not true there's no evidence of that" while seemingly making a laughable attempt at siezing some perceived intellectual high ground.
People are so obsessed with "facts and evidence" they would justify buying a used car with advertised "New hood! New front bumper! New radiator! Fresh paint!" simply because they see 4 facts and know that new parts are better than old parts. They can't recognize that the vehicle has been in a wreck because they've lost all common sense.
Be aware that you may be starting to lose sight of the forest due to all the trees.
Holy moly all the hair on my body is standing up after those ending lines.
I damn well nearly shed a tear
Paul Maree I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
I’m currently weeping. This made me realize how much he’s done for the sport.
I've watched this man play for 19 years and I'm chokin up. Damn!
@@extremelypositiveperson1811 i can't believe he is still going at mvp levels...favorite to win finals mvp with a 3rd different coach and team...alot of ppl get extra salty with him in these debates because deep down in their hearts they know he has a legit claim to throne as much as jordan or any other great they want to put there.
"he's not the strongest or the fastest, but he's faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest"
crazy line
It sounds dope but it’s actually not that impressive, a lot of athletes in the NBA fit that criteria
It sounds a lot cooler than it is. To meet the criteria say in today’s NBA all you would have to do is be stronger than De’Aron Fox and faster than Andre Drummond. That’s pretty much just every SG, SF, and PF in the league, also includes a lot of PGs and Cs.
@@jamesh7469 its not to be taken that literally its just highlighting that james is an incredible athlete even amongst the best in the world
I'd say for the first half of his career Lebron WAS the fastest in the league. He's still the quickest power forward, and he still chases down guards from behind.
Ngl I failed to appreciate Lebron’s skill at his size. It’s crazy to see
Great series finale. Entertaining, insightful, persuasive. Well done, Mr Crowley. Interested to see what the LeBron haters come back with and looking forward to the next series/videos.
Man. This video needs an update ASAP. If he had a strong case with 3x6, he now has 4, better longevity and is the all time leading scorer. The GOAT
Nah, he's still far far faaaaaar away from Jordan.
@@OriginFormeLad if you think he’s that far off, you very clearly don’t know basketball.
@@OriginFormeLad someone doesn't know anything about basketball.
@@OriginFormeLad why.
@@yuvanmar42 just a hater. No sane person thinks hes faaaar away from jordan
Next time on Making the Case: Clayton Crowley
No cap
david freeeman cap
Rare big cap
What about Alex curroso
Plot Twist: No one's hating on LeBron in this comment section
Let me finish watching..I'm halfway done.
Lebrons in here deleting the hateful comments.
Is that even possible??
Dont worry mate, i ll be on it, but first let me finish this masterpiece of a vidéo.
Hate the person but can't hate the game
"We as sports fans fetishize potential"
Great quote
The arts (music particularly) do it too. It can make a few careers but it destroys thousands consistently, and leaves them with a host of mental health problems to boot.
so true, it really affects how we talk about D Rose :(
@@tahsinthoughtsIt really affects how we talk about any player. We always say “What if” to any player who didn’t pan out or didn’t reach their potential due to injury or had some sort of tragedy strike them… eg. T-Mac, Vince Carter, Brandon Roy, Len Bias.
The idea of 5 LeBron’s vs 5 of anybody is accurate, hilarious, and terrifying at the same time🤣
Imagine xd
5 lebron James on a starting team would absolutely destroy a team consisting of wilt chamberlain, bill Russell,Oscar Robertson, magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan. He would embarrass wilt chamberlain and bill Russell around the basket. He would make magic Johnson look like a high schooler. And Michael Jordan would be exposed by lebron James as a wannabe NBA player. Oscar Robertson would look like a junior high school basketball team substitute. If he wants to lebron James would average 40 points a game, 25 rebounds, 10 blocks, and 15 assists in every game.
@@theroadrunnerjarhead4109 I can totally see that, but don't know how he beats 5 Birds...
@@Kreontas he would easily
i think his athleticism along with higher basketball iq would give him the edge over bird. He also better defense on perimeter and inside, and 5 different lebron's of pure athleticism and high level plays would overwhelm bird despite bird's wide arsenal of scoring methods.
When he retires in 2033 YOU HAVE TO REMAKE THIS VIDEO. ENDING GIVES ME CHILLS EVERYTIME.
Lebron go retire anotha 5 years
@@geraldwilson1705 another 9
@@TrippiiOfficial LeBron is immortal, he's like the queen of England.
@@emiliovgc507 love it bro
@@emiliovgc507 you actually had me dying with laughter
A view and argument on LeBron James that I have never seen or heard before, and what an argument it is. Awesome series, fantastic throughout. Looking forward to your future content, Clayton “Clutch” Crawley! 😁🏀
How did you view this so early
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Jesus Christ, the ending gave me goosebumps
SAME btw ily
Same wtf
Same
Same
Yes wtfff
That is the perfect way to describe LeBron’s physical attributes "he’s not the strongest or the fastest, but he’s stronger than the fastest and faster than the strongest"
Jordan is still my GOAT, but LeBron has earned the right to be in the conversation. Anyone who downplays LeBron's achievements on the court shouldn't be taken seriously.
Respect coming from a bron fan. Wish there were more mj fans like this lol.
you have the respect from a bron fan
Iam an mj fan but lebron is truly the perfect basketball player I mean in 2k my career I always modeled my player to a 6'9 250 lbs Small Forward with the speed of a guard strength of a power forward center and durability of a small forward
this is fax
Respectable bro finally not a MJ muncher
I immediately dropped all that I was doing for this video. What a gem of a series. You have a serious knack for writing, video editing, and narrating. Great video.
Its so weird seeing how small LeBron was even as a teenager because I am so used to him looking like a damn freight train
I literally was thinking the same thing haha
Trap Settingz or he works out?😂
@Trap Settingz He spends millions on his body a year. He cuts out foods and lives on a strict diet specifically made to make him the strongest he can be
@Trap Settingz Its always funny how some people will say this and when you ask why the be like "just look at him". Then you point dudes like Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Giannis, and Zion and they be like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Dude is just gifted and takes care of himself.
@@whippercream8998 so going on a diet costs millions per year? Yeah "he definitely isn't on roids"
Since this video he went from
4th to 1st in points
10th to 4th in assists
56th to 32nd in rebounds
and he's STILL playing
You forgot an extra ring, finals MVP, first ever in season tournament winner and finals MVP for that tournament.
And several All Stars and All NBA
He desperately trying to catch up but he falls lower and lower. He is hopeless in the top 10 discussion.
@@SokinRidis what
@@SokinRidisthe hate will never end it and it will always be his biggest argument as the greatest. Why would Jordan fanboys get so in their feelings about him versus any other goat candidate? Because it's just those two. No one else is truly on that level.
The ‘16 finals felt like a glitch in the simulation. I was rooting for Bron the whole time but at 3-1 against that historic Warriors team, I thought it was over... Without a doubt the greatest testament to his legacy imo
hands down. the block became his signature moment as well immediately
That’s who he is right there, unfortunately time and time in his career he gives up and dosent even try after one setback
Agreed and I hate LeBron lol
@@Ratchetface Kevin love wasn’t playing at an all star level in first two years in Cleveland so basically it was kyrie and good role players around him
This is true but still doesn't make him the goat
“They don’t boo bums” I think about this quote every time the anti Lebron gang shows up on a vid like this. This is some of the best basketball content on UA-cam tho, can’t wait to see what you do next.
"They dont boo bums." Danny Green and KCP would like to talk with you
Another quote I think is “they hate you when you’re great”
I'm upset we aren't going to see a "Making the Case - Robert Horry" ...
April 1st, 2021.
@@Herv3 lol
I hope you came back and checked
I've always said this. Put Michael Jordan against every finals opponent LeBron had to face and I'd bet my life he doesn't go 6-0. The Fact that LeBron was able to win 4 rings against damn near perfect teams is extraordinary. A wise man once said "Jordan can make a Good team into a Great team, but LeBron can turn a Bad team into a Good team".
I love Jordan, but I believe he would lose against KD's Warriors.
Jordan would have lost to the Spurs, man he would have even lost to the KDless Warriors.
@Sneatt
I don't know if Jordan would have gone 6-0 against today's teams. Do you know why? Because I don't know how good he would be at team jumping and creating insta-dynasties, like LeBron. Jordan didn't get to pick and choose his teams, coaches, and teammates. He didn't get to take his talents to South Beach and play on super teams, coming out of weak conferences, yet still lose to underdogs like LeBron.
So, yeah, I don't know. He might have gone 8-0 if he had been able to do that.
@@johnjones528 Absolutely not. He was blessed to be drafted to the bulls and have a god team built around him. He was blessed to have a legendary coach like Phil Jackson. You're right, he didn't need to jump from team to team like LeBron because he was never in a bad situation. I also believe Jordan wouldn't have won 6 rings if he did leave the bulls. Jordan was just blessed to hit his prime in the 90's when there was no dynasties like in the 80's and 2000's. LeBron is the Goat. Sorry bro.
@@Sneatt First of all, I watched Jordan in college and saw him come out of UNC to play with the Chicago Bulls. Phil Jackson was NOT a legendary coach when he joined the Bulls. He BECAME legendary coaching Jordan. What NBA team did PHil Jackson coach before he signed on with the Bulls?
Oh, that's right! He didn't coach in the NBA. He coached the Albany Patroons, the Piratas de Quebradillas (1984 and 1987) and the Gallitos de Isabela (1984-1986). He regularly sought out NBA teams to coach , but was frequently turned down.
That ending straight up made me emotional I won't lie
@MUFC can you stfu and like stfu?
@@jack2957 😂😂😂
@MUFC I disagree, soccer has been around the longest and basketball is a relatively new sport that is expanding extremely fast, american football is literally only played in north america, soccer is played around the world but U.S. is becoming the trandsettter around the world due to social media and NO ONE in U.S. is playing soccer, at least none of the cool kids are
😂😂😂 me too literally strarted crying
@MUFC this man copy pasting this shit on every nba video ever
This series belongs beside Kobe Bryant's "Dear Basketball" as the greatest love letters written to the sport ever. You didn't just make a series of arguments for the greatest player. You wrote pure poetry about a love for the game that we all struggle to articulate as fans, but understand inherently. I'll be coming back to watch these for years to come.
You couldn’t have said it better!
“Fastest than the strongest, strongest than the fastest” boy if that ain’t a bar right there my boy out here spitting fire dawgg🤣🤣🤟🏻😤
I mean if you think about it most players in the nba are faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest
Brendan Boyle that’s true but it sounds good lol
If you put someone smaller on him, he will bully him. If you put someone big on him, he will leave them in the dust. If you put 2 on him he will find the open man.
RIP English.
@@clint3868 yeah but hes comparing him to the the rest of the league. A specimen. The only thing with greater potential right now is gianis.
Let's not forget the fact that LeBron went against another player who's arguably the greatest to ever do it too, Tim Duncan and a stacked spurs team, he lost to on his first year with a trash Cavs team leading them to the finals against the spurs as well as beating them as well and losing again. This was INSANE competition as it's two players on each team who can be argued as the best ever players. That's insane. Kudos to LeBron, give credit to any player who earned it Tim Duncan and LeBron earned it.
Good point, but there have been other situations like the one you mentioned. Kareem and Oscar. Kareem and Magic, versus Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and the Celts. Doc and Moses vs. Kareem and Magic, etc.
Leastern Conference u casual!!!
“He’s not the strongest or the fastest, but he’s faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest.” Damn man. This is some incredible work
that doesn’t rlly mean much
HyTz Vorkkz it’s saying nobody stronger then him can out move him, and nobody faster then him can out power him. Means a lot considering his speed and strength are relatively insane. How can you beat that?
This is my new favorite quote
HaveADeath because basically all small forwards are faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest
@@forkii4122 That's not true, Look at KD strength wise
Who's here after LeBron just won his 4th ring, this time in Los Angeles?
MJ the goat.
Lebron the gote.
Greatest of this era.
Where's MJ's washington's rings?
MJ - 6 rings + 6 FMVP
Lebron 4 + 4 and I doubt he gets any more.
@@cactusdragon3553 why do u think that everyone was saying that this year 💀
Some people think Lebron is the goat now. Its subjective though, as these youtube videos show. Bill Russell could easily be called the goat too.
I believe LeBron James is the most criticize and overanalyze player of all time
He’s the first big star in the internet era
He is in the time where basketball is at its most popular
Uno Paz 100% agree, more of an international game now than ever
@@JCJ1234567890 kobe is dude
@@unopaz4970 basketball is not the most popular in the world and football is America most popular sport.
I think that his transformation truly began once he went to Miami. There he also put shooting and post offense in his arsenal, and since then, he just was on another level. Pre Miami, he was faster, stronger and youth, but then he added the entire package.
Killer player
He was Exhausted every title run in Cleveland. If he was on the lakers with Shaq. Ez 5-10 Rings.
@@TheASSSASINIf Lebron had a coach that ran the triangle offense as well as Phil Jackson he would surpass Bill Russell lmao, Shaq would be the cherry on top.
“Ben Wallace’s corpse”
that one made me laught
@@-piras I also laught
💀
He was so fun to watch in Detroit...that team defense with Big Ben wallace patrolling the middle was ruthless..."no fly zone"
LeBron wanted to give his starved hometown a championship, then gave the city arguably the most incredible championship story ever.
Facts and it was incredibly the greatest ring of all time
You mean he wanted to form another Superteam and expand his brand.
@@zigod8204 nah too much luck and help from refs in game 6.
@@TheTariqibnziyad Really??? IS that how close-minded are you???
@@kissvigafria1213 nah he’s not close minded just completely oblivious to his own ignorance. Sad to see people still creampieing Jordan every chance they get🤦♂️
I personally think mj is the goat but to simply dismiss lebron and not be willing to discuss the possibility of lebron being the goat is so childish.
Totally agree. I hate both sides of the argument. Bronsexuals and Jordansexuals alike. Neither side can think maturely. Bronsexuals keep making shallow excuses, while Jordansexuals keep making "arguments" that make them look really insecure.
Lebron is old enough that guys in the league now should be saying they watched him growing up. Instead they say they watched Kobe. Because all he does is cry. I don't care what he's done in basketball, how he's endangered first responders by promoting anti-police narratives makes him an eternal loser. I used to think he was at least a better person than MJ, but now we can all see that he is just a professional crybaby.
@@derekb2314 So much unnecessary hate.
@@neutralgirl8997 Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
My GOAT is Kareem, I am a lkaers fan, And LeBron will need another ring or MVP to be My GOAT, cuz ring 4 is locked up
"Built like Karl Malone, passes like Bird, jumps like Jordan and surveys the court like Magic. He is not the strongest or the fastest but he is faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest"
That’s just the perfect description of LeBron James
That description was aptly used to describe Jordan.
@@johnjones528Jordan is nowhere built like Malone, a mediocre passer, does not have even half the vision of magic and the last quote is subjective. You just pulled something out of ur ass because your so offended by who the true GOAT really is.
@LilSlimeRollo ALL of it aoplies to Jordan, especially tge jumping part
So, full disclosure here.
I normally don’t entertain a lot of “Lebron is the GOAT” arguments.
I roll my eyes at a TON of what Shannon Sharpe says about the guy.
However, this video series has garnered a ton of respect with me. It’s one of the few that seems to take a truly fact based, objective, well researched, approach to who is “the GOAT”.
Because of that, I watched this video open minded.
Clayton, honestly, you have made me reconsider my stance on Lebron.
I don’t know that I’d say he definitely WAS the greatest ever, but you showed me that he certainly deserves to be in the conversation.
This series is just awesome for how mind opening it is to a topic that most of us don’t really think deeply about.
I agree with you on that...
The creator of this did an outstanding job...
What’s good to know is you aren’t too late to be able appreciate him live! I’d say he’s got Atleast 3 upper echelon years left. Maybe by the end, he will eventually change your mind fully
I appreciate your open-mindedness dude. Fans should be more like you. I used to be a LeBron hater as well, because of the "Decision". But once I actually looked at the facts and became open-minded, I realized that LeBron actually can be the GOAT. He has accomplished significantly harder things than Jordan did. Simply going up against all-time great dynasties in 7 finals (SEVEN!!!) was something Jordan has never done in his career. Jordan has not even faced a single all-time great dynasty in his prime.
@@davebuilds7261 I doubt it lol.. thier are too many things that still put Jordan over lebron... I have always thought even from my childhood watching Jordan that the player that would take his throne would be a Scottie Pippen type player which lebron is... and I thought he was going to be the one to take Jordan down.. but he has to many missed opportunities for me and many others to crown him... ESPECIALLY with the talent he played with in Miami and Cleveland the 2and time around
Vernon Herbert you have to be kidding me. I guess you didn’t watch the video. Lebron is not a pippen type of player, in Miami the only missed opportunity was Dallas. In 2014 wade averaged 12 ppg and bosh averaged 15 ppg, ehhh right? Then in Cleveland lebron only had one year where he had both kyrie and love.. guess what, they won. Soo you had a baseless comment about lebron being like pippen, and then an inaccurate presentation of what lebron had in Miami and his second tenure in Cleveland. Wanna try again? I’m not saying your wrong because you think jordan is better, I’m saying I think you’re wrong because of your reasoning that you gave me for bron not being as good, is flawed
"...old Shaq, Ben Wallace's corpse."
Lol made me lose my shit laughing
I thought I was the only one who was laughing that hard at that comment.
Lmao
That ending was cathartic, as a Warriors fan I could feel that pain of him taking away our greatest season of all time, as well as the glory of brining the Land a title.
Huge fan of your channel man
Huge fan of YOUR channel 😂🎉
I’d also like to remind everyone that “The Decision” raised over 2 million dollars in charity
Exactly. People still bitch about it when it literally raised money for kids lol
Facts.
@@Ratchetface didn’t quit on his team? Maybe if the team gave him some help he wouldn’t have to leave. You don’t start with the reaction you have to start with the problem
@Marcus Carpenter 😂 ur goat didn’t even go #1 when yo go to the first pick u go to the worst team in the league
@Marcus Carpenter now wt u can say is lebron can win with multiple ppl can u say Jordan can win without Scottie. I can say Kobe can win without shaq. And plus Jordan can’t even go to the finals without another star dude was getting swept never had a winning season without Scottie
I think this is the most convincing case. I love MJ I really do, and I grew up a Lakers fan watching Kobe and rooting against LeBron. But looking back now at what he has been able to do with what he was given, I don't think anyone could have done more. It's a real privilege to have been able to see him as both a rival and a home player.
But you didn’t watch Jordan in his championship years.
@@Rgnotown I did. LeBron.
@@666ssn666 You mean Jordan.
@@mackyj3255 yeah...no
@@666ssn666 so yeah right?
What a fantastic conclusion to my favorite series on UA-cam. I can't even imagine how many times I've gone back and re-watched the other episodes just waiting for this one to drop. Before Making the Case, I'd never have thought to include Tim Duncan in the GOAT conversation. It never occurred to me that Larry Bird was the embodiment of what people mean when they say "intangibles." I never considered that a quiet competitor like Kareem and an iconic, flashy star like Magic could have a claim to the same throne. Or that Bill Russell, who I only knew as the guy with 11 rings, could represent what it means to play team basketball. What surprised me most was when I found myself most convinced that Wilt Chamberlain, who I once saw as overrated and stat-obsessed, was the greatest to ever do it. Or, that Michael Jordan's case, probably the strongest and most well-accepted out there, left me the least convinced, which is a testament to the quality of this series. And now this: a finale fitting for a journey seven months in the making. Clayton, you magnificent man, I can't wait to see what you do next.
this comment is so well-written, enjoyed reading it lol hope he has a great future in sports writing
Wow this was a good comment
Great comment for one of the greatest things i've ever watched concerning basketball
The series is amazing, but it is clear to me that he didn't put much effort when doing the MJ video. All the other videos have a stronger narrative which makes sense as he's trying to convince people that there`s a debate where there's not haha
The Jordan case was the weakest because he was trying to set up the Lebron case. Most of the Jordan case was just passively aggressively tearing him down pretending he's only "responding to common criticisms". He put very little effort into it. He's young though so he's likely a victim of recency bias. Probably legitimately wants Lebron to be the GOAT so MJ lives rent free in his head because he knows MJ's case is stronger.
rewatching this after he broke the unbreakable record
Watching it for the first time 😂. I think it’s interesting that this was made prior to the record being broken
I love how u don’t talk about the same points that every body brings up when talking about the goat debate for all of these players. Very creative way of a conversation
Clayton, let me tell you something, I hope when LeBron retires you come back to this video and remake it. I personally believe with the steam the Lakers have right now he’s got one more ring for sure coming his way. With that ring it’ll add more fuel to flame that is his legacy. This is about as passionate of a video I’ve ever seen. The arguments made were fair and put out with context. I can appreciate the superb writing you had in the script and I couldn’t describe LeBron in a better way: “Faster than the Strongest but Stronger than the Fastest.” Poetry man, keep up the good work.
shaq woulda ended lebron
Fleece & Runn if he could stay in front on defense maybe
True... But wilt was stronger than the strongest and faster than the fastest... LeBron probably the greater basketball player though
Jamie Walker yeah if wilt could develop a decent shit he would be the goat undoubtedly
@Dhdhdh sksj true but wilt was the greatest athlete of all time and Shaq was "just" the most dominant center of his era
The writing in this series has been absolutely fantastic. Legit some of the best sportswriting I've seen on youtube. Can't wait to see what you make next!
I’ve watched the ending countless times. Im crying rn. Its so beatiful and even tho Lebron is struggling rn nothing will take that away from him
This video, like the king himself, is a masterclass.
lebron isn’t even struggling, he’s having a career season 🥴, just the lakers suck ass
The lakers* are struggling Lebron getting along just fine
LeBron isn’t struggling. He’s about to lead the league in scoring in his 19th season. He proved 2 seasons ago he can still be the best player on a championship team
@@bloop2184 fax
I think one of the most impressive things about Lebron is how he came from nothing. I mean, lots of the greats had humble beginnings but Lebron really came from nowhere. Single teen mom, poverty. Have to admire it. And this is from a Warriors fan that hates his guts for 2016.
You might hate him for 2016, but gotta respect what he did
@@louie5581 he basically said he does lol
His story is amazing and I believe all the hate he receives will disappear when he retires. Once people start assessing his whole legacy, they'll realise they were lucky to witness one of the GOATs.
I respect LeBron but MANY Players have terrible upbringings.
@@Figs3 yeah, that’s why you don’t hear players talking shit about other players. They know what it takes to get to that level. It’s just the so-called shithead ‘fans’ who talk shit about players.
The last couple minutes of this video were especially powerful. You got me tearin up
Lol I thought I was the only one
crazy how well made this video is
You tear up when he went to LA?
the last 5 min will have you feeling like a kid outside imagining he’s got one shot to win the championship
"Lebron had to form a super team!"
...mj HAD the super team... mj had a HOF coach. Mj had the highest recorded team ELO rating in all of NBA history. The bulls had a higher rating than the KD/Curry warriors did. Imagine that. Every time mj won he had a team BETTER than the warriors with KD.
This comment is a year old but it perfectly desrcibes how I feel
the crazy thing is...he exceeded expectations...i don’t think anyone actually expected him to become a threat to jordans career....the only threat
Hes better every single year hes came out and showed dominanve since he been in the league while winning and having success on every team he played for every year jordan didnt start off winning nor did he end winning
@@chunkyburger7971 Lebron missed the playoffs his first couple of yrs....MJ won a ring in 7 yrs, Lebron 9 yrs
get real, he is no threat
Nah LeBron is a better player and played in a harder era.
@@bigguccisosa9809 that's just 2 blatant lies
18:44 "LeBron's numbers look okay" - proceeds to show a near 30-20 triple double.
I know right....what was it like 28 and 16 rebounds with 9 assist.
@@juliosera5510 somehow even crazier...27-19-10. He was a 3 and one 1 rebound from a 30-20-10 stat line. Jesus.
Thats why it pisses me off when people downplay what what be an all time performance for 99.9% of players bc it’s LeBron and demand more.
Damn man that 2016 finals always brings me to tears when you realize what he went through and what it meant to be the leader to come back and win it all. Great clip
Lol he just wanted to camera attention at the end with “crying” at the ground. He’s a selfish p.o.s.
@@captainmexico4585 get help
@@captainmexico4585 brain damage be like:
@@captainmexico4585 people like you
I think the issue with Lebron and Jordan believers is people who believe Lebron is the goat can respect people who think Jordan is the goat, but people who think Jordan is the goat thinks Lebron is the worst player to ever pick up a basketball.
I've heard Jordan fans say LeBron is barely top 10
@@seradjlarfi6905 I’ve seen not even 5 minutes ago multiple people say LeBron isn’t even top 20
I respect LBJ argument in some ways, in some ways he is the best ever. I don't "hate" LBJ or his fans because I watched both players and I think MJ was more dominant, specifically I've only seen 1 or 2 playoffs where LBJ matched MJs playoff intensity. On the flip side, the weirdest thing I see from young LeBron fans who didn't watch the Bulls is this fantasy that every Jordan teammate was some offensive hall of famer. Some of his teams were stacked defensively but LeBron has overall had more offensive talent around him in his career. Other than Pippen and Rodman, nobody would even know the name of Jordan's teammates if they hadn't played with MJ. Everybody would know AD, Wade, Bosh, Kyrie and Love if those players had never played with LBJ.
This is the complete opposite
@@Bushwhaker It's literally not, how many people online or irl claim that Jordan isn't top 5, now how many claim that LeBron isn't top 5, huge difference
I've watched it a dozen times, the ending still gives me tears to my eyes and shivers down my spine.
Phenomenal!
LeBron should watch this and Clayton you should be one of narrators of his future documentaries.
Lebron is a great player, but he is not the goat. Michael Jordan is and is better than Lebron James.
@@keithrosier8526 LeBron the Goat you know it and I know it
@@keithrosier8526 youre on wrong video insecure mj fangirl
I'll wait 15 years to watch the Luka doncic video
Luka will still be waiting for lebron to step aside though....maybe in 20 😅
giannis too and maybe even kawhi or kd
@Dominic dominic dude... If you re funny like this each and every time you speak, you should start some stand up comedy, but please stop watching basket Ball 😜😜
Moui Gnagno That was the perfect answer 😂 well done.
He will be a tummy boy in like 5 years
LeBron can’t be the goat, he never won a college game
😂
BREAKING NEWS: LeBron James has opted out of his contract with the lakers and has enrolled in the university of Akron for a semester.
@@danielajayi894 cap
@Ken Managbanag Ik u did not just straight up lie 🤣
@@danielajayi894 i thought he wanted to play with his son
Just watched this gem of a video 2 years after it was released, and I gotta say, Clayton does make 1 hell of a case, as a Spurs fan the Tim Duncan case video was particularly enjoyable to watch, but this, the writing, the narration and the choice of music was all just perfect, I almost shed a tear at the end lol and then I remembered that I'm supposed to be hating the guy, especially after the heartbreak of the 2013 finals, but my goodness what video, what a case, what a player...!!!
You should do a joke version of this series.
Like try to legitimately make an argument as to why Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT
Awesome idea!
Smh its clearly Alex Caruso
Or Robert Horry
Nah obviously it’s Thon Maker
Where's the joke?
What’s wild is that this video already convinced so many people (not me, Kareem has always been my GOAT) but LeBron just added a championship this week that just strengthened his case. He’s truly something special
and the way him and AD play, I would not be surprised if they 3peat. It'd be really hard to not call him the GOAT with a 3peat, 6 titles, and 12 finals.
I know you said Kareem is your GOAT but uh...Michael Jordan and Lebron James: The Complete Statistical Guide with Stunning Conclusion ua-cam.com/video/PEHxskXKgD4/v-deo.html Jordan has 22 total trophies in 13 1/2 seasons. Kareem got 15 total trophies in 20 seasons! ain't even close bro
i think MJ is the GOAT it is not even close
@@geordiejones5618 what about lebrons career makes you think he can 3 peat? never has, never will.
@@anthonyhaun1990 that doesn’t even make sense
That’s it. We need a Making the Case: Robert Horry!
Nah it Patrick McCaw the only rookie to 3 peat, GOAT
🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Making the Case: Robert Horry!" Yeah, for all the RINGS people.
Steve Kerr 4-Peated so let's make that a case
Big Shot Bob is 1A and Derek Fisher is 1B
Crazy that this was made 4 years ago and he is still playing and just laid triple doubles in 4 straight games 😂😂
I thought you would wait till after the finals.
See if he wins his 4th ring.
If clippers choke he will
@@Shellykat-p4w this game tonight is a must watch
He will. Bron got it in the bag
It doesn’t matter, his career is legendary as is, this would be the icing on the cake
@@Shellykat-p4w IDK man I think both the Celtics and the Heat are just too deep and in-sync to loose to a team that's basically 2 players.
These videos are so awesome, persuasive and high quality. No disrespect but You really had me thinking Larry Bird was the goat 😭. These vids genuinely changed thinking towards my top 10 list. Jordan’s still my GOAT but Timmy and Bill Russell jumped up my all time list.
Yup duncan moved into my top 5 and Bill russel moved higher for me
MJ is THE GOAT. But damn, Larry’s a close second. Best 5 years in NBA basketball- Larry’s 5.
LeBron is so great that his only flaw is that he’s not perfect
True, but then he gets the 'flawed hero who failed' redemptive arc, by overcoming that past and succeeding.
and he cant win without super teams
@@nox1ck589 he can't win alone against super teams*
@@mambaforever9593 okay and? You acting like all the other all time greats didnt need help.
@@switchhitter9000 nah the guy i replied to was saying some bs, so i corrected him. Of course he needs help when almost every team he played against in the finals is an alltime great team
LeBron is the only player in history of sports that has been argued being the goat for 10+ years and still playing. When he's done it will be interesting to remake these kind of videos with all the stats and history. He's definitely on the mount Rushmore of basketball and the greatest of our era. The most complete player ever. Don't even mention what he did for the players empowerment and outside basketball.
Tom Brady?
@@CDX7Brady being the goat being a topic of heavy debate only really lasted between his 4th and 5th ring,about 2 years.
Actually Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan were argued for being the GOAT both during their playing days and afterwards.
@@CDX7 Brady goat talk only really took off in 2015
Brady goat qb... Not goat player.
After 8 videos I've made my decision.
The Goat is...
Clayton Crowley
"He's LeBron James, the most valuable basketball player ever. The most complete basketball player who's ever lived. The greatest basketball player of all time." That hit different 😭
Doesn't have a reliable floater or midranger, perimeter defense is a joke...sorry that's faaar from complete.
@@TheTariqibnziyad doesn't have a reliable floater midranger, perimeter defence is a joke, in that case jordan had an inconsistent three ball, subpar playmaking, interior defense subpar we don't evaluate a player based on what they not good at we evaluate what they can do like saying steph curry would be bad if couldn't shoot, obviously that's what he is elite at, the quote was based on the premise that lebron james is has the combination of elite playmaking, scoring and defence the three most pivotal aspects of the game of basketball. Not to mention James is an above average mid range shooter, he doesn't need to use floaters because he is an elite athlete who can finish above the rim, and considering he is 260 pounds 6'9 he moves his feet like a guard. Please stop with these shitty takes who do not know basketball, btw micheal jordan is above average at what i mentioned before just his not as good as he is in other aspects of the game, i was just using them as examples to show you how autistic your comments were
@@TheTariqibnziyad ok jordan jock strap holder
@@lachlanjo6543 Jordan slurpers sometimes need a reality check like your comment
@@TheTariqibnziyad you're the reason why condoms were invented
For me, that 3-1 comeback along with the first Cavs team he ever took to the finals had already convinced me, there is no other player in the history of the NBA that has ever meant more and been more valuable than LeBron. Now that he is 36 and was number 1 or 2 in the MVP ladder all year until his injury, and lead the Lakers with only AD (AD is an amazing player to have as a backup, nothing against AD) as a reliable 2nd option to a championship as a 35-year-old, leaves no doubt in my mind.
What I find incredibly interesting/funny is that the one season LeBron doesn't make the finals, an Eastern Conference team wins it all, after a whole decade where people kept on saying the Eastern Conference was a joke Conference just because LeBron would always make it look easy.
Fluke title, fluke comeback, fluke player
@@shivumagarwal yeayea you hate LeBron we get it
@@sgt.krakatoa1093 I’m not wrong at all
@@shivumagarwal whatever you say bro
AD was no 'backup' he made that team's defense tops
and DEFENSE WINS CH'IPS
4 years later and this video still hits like when I first watched it.
These video essays are probably the most complete, well-produced video essays I've seen in a long time. Quality bursting at the seams. This is... The greatest video essay series of all time. But in all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if something like this gets picked up by Netflix, but if you stay on UA-cam, I would love to see a collab between you and Jon Bois's Chart Party!
Oh yes!!!
If you wanna see great video essays in themes other than sports, I recommend Contrapoints.
I do believe MJ is the GOAT, but I completely understand the argument for LeBron and everyone else included in this series. Great job on the whole project Clayton.
There are multiple players better than LeBron. LeBron is not to intelligent.
@@rockscousteau bruh... Did you even watch the video?
@@rowanespeverda4120 clearly he dosen't.
he looked at the title and thumbnail and commented a hate comment right away.
@@rockscousteau "not to intelligent"
This series basically saying Bron the GOAT because he is the GOAT "Athlete" in the NBA....?
Love this series! The scariest thing about LBJ is, his story isn’t finished as compared to the rest of the greats you’re making the case for.
Lebron has AD, before AD. Didn't even make the playoffs lol.
@@SwaggerLikeUz you are an idiot, but i dont blame you. Its just the blind hate for me
SwaggerLikeUz lmao what did AD do before lebron 🥴
@@er45ung22 hur hur, they didn't make the playoffs... even though they were the 5th seed before he was injured and he actually elevated them to that in the West from being well outside the playoffs the year before.
@@robertdouth8979 i mean yeah
The reason this video gets people in an uproar and the others didn't is because it's obvious that the others really aren't a threat to MJ's GOAT claim, while LBJ truly is.
yeah cus mj the goat like why do we compare someone to someone that is not in the same level like lebron got no aura at all.
@@kBye-pt2en”no aura” 😂😂😂 why don’t you watch Al Horford’s words in that JJ podcast
@@generull6552 Who?
I would PAY to watch Skip and Shannon react to this together.
The ending gives me goosebumps everytime i watch this video
"5 LeBrons would win against 5 of anybody" No better way to put it.
That doesn't mean that one leBron will beat one of anybody.
@@johnjones528 But does show that Lebron is the goat player in terms of "How much does this man contribute to his team?"
5 Floppers rolling on the ground, have no effort on defence and leaving the court at the 4th quarter.
Best UA-cam series ever! I've recommended this to all my friends. Love your arguments, your perspective, and your willingness to acknowledge as many reactions/counterpoints as you can. Great content Clayton, keep it up. I'll definitely be following.
#Factz
Love this video
Acknowledged his low points, and also that it "doesnt define" him as way too many people try convince themselves
Smashed the finals "losses" debate out the park too
Just earnt yourself a subscriber
It did justify a couple of them, but still 2011 is a big stain. It doesn't define him, but it will always be brought up when his case is discussed. The fact that Magic had bad finals series is not a valid excuse, especially since Magic was up against a lot better team than Maverics, and a lot betrer player than LBJ was against.
@@IceMicko While Im not disapproving anything you said, Those Maverics are THE MOST UNDERRATED team in NBA HISTORY. They destroyed Kobe (won chip last year) - but no one talks about that, destroyed three young HOF player in OKC (plus, amazing bench) - no one talks about that, and even 1st round was against tough veteran team. That Maverics team from top to bottom WAS BETTER THAN THE HEAT. Yet no one will EVER agree to that, because it doesn't fit the narrative.
Yes - James choked. But he played One of the greatest and perfectly matched team of all time. Everything came together for that team. And from 1 to 15 - its way better theam than Bosh, wade and lbj + 12 scrub players.
@@iFranOne I really wouldnt call Arroyo, Bibi, Eddie House, Mario Chalmers, Jerry Stackhouse, Udonis Haslem scrubs. Maverics performed better, but by the names (and cocncidering the age of the players) Heat was better.
@@IceMicko the only one that wasnt a scrub yet was udonis. But even he wasnt used correctly. As I said in 2011 that Mavs gonna win, I still stand by it. It was no surprise for me. They were way better team with way better game-plan and better coach at that time. I thought its gonna be 7 game series - it was 6. So its opinions and opinions. But Ill take '11 Mavs over any other team that year. And Im LAL fan who has HUGE respect for LBJ. But after plowing through KOBE I knew that its over for the rest of the league that year.
@@iFranOne even if you do count them as scrubs, which is too hursh, by that standards you could count most of Maverics as scrubs, as they were bunch of veterans waaaay out of their prime. Stojakovic for example played great series vs Lakers, but barely got any minutes vs Heat. It wasn't the talent that was in question, but their physical shape, which does come into play in best of 7 series in NBA final, after 3 more BO7 series.
I'm not gonna lie, having lived in Northeast Ohio my whole life, that feeling when LeBron hit that free throw and made it a 2 possession game will never be replicated for me
If he made the poster on green I could’ve died happy right then and there.
Seeing this in 2023 afte Bron broke the scoring record is truly amazing, there was a case to why he his the goat long before he won a chip in LA and broke Kareem record, truly legandary.
to actually play at or even exceed the expectations people put on him as a kid is what makes him a Mt Rushmore player.
"he's not the fastest or the strongest, but he's faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest"
that's a fire line, great vid once again
That actually sounds impressive, but you can say that for many athletes.
IceMicko yeah that is true lol, but I think it's more in reference to his skills within the players considered to be the GOAT
I feel bad just knowing there’s people out there not watching these...
The fact that there were all these expectations since high school and the man actually delivered is bonkers and he’s still going lol