Shogun - Lord Toranaga betrayed by his brother Saeki

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  • Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
  • #shogun #toranaga #ishido
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  • @micowez5723
    @micowez5723 4 місяці тому +161

    It took 9 cuts to remove the head, according to the adult Toranaga's conservation.

    • @menumlor9432
      @menumlor9432 4 місяці тому +13

      It's kind of like how Theon Greyjoy beheaded ser rodric with multiple cuts and kicked it off. Very disrespectful and shameful.

    • @ysgramornorris2452
      @ysgramornorris2452 4 місяці тому +11

      Interesting.
      9 is a number associated with suffering in Japanese culture, like 4 is associated with death.

  • @zzman305
    @zzman305 4 місяці тому +94

    1:30
    The samurai taking his dead enemy's head is a fantastic detail. This was a common practice during the time period Shogun takes place. The taking of the head of an opponent you had killed in battle was considered evidence that you had done your duty to your lord. It was also used as a method to record who specifically had been killed in battle. Heads of high ranking samurai with recognizable faces would often be presented to a victorious lord at the end of the battle in a ritualized head viewing ceremony known as "Kubi Jikken".

    • @LazyIndieGamer
      @LazyIndieGamer 4 місяці тому +3

      Its primal

    • @KobeJordanHakeem
      @KobeJordanHakeem 4 місяці тому +6

      @@LazyIndieGamer and they call the english "barbarians" lmao they the real savages

    • @ethansmedley724
      @ethansmedley724 4 місяці тому +10

      @@KobeJordanHakeemLooking back in history, there’s plenty of “savagery” everywhere, in every time period. In the time we live in now, we can look at things like this and be rightly horrified. But, don’t think that everyone else’s hands were any cleaner. This was their way of life at the time, and while brutal, I’m sure we can find just as much savagery anywhere else, albeit reflavored for different cultures. Some things are just part of the time period, while others can be seen as terrible atrocities. You can go anywhere from Rwanda, Henry the VIII, and Native American genocide to Hitler in that regard, for example. Bloody hands everywhere.

    • @みこがた
      @みこがた 4 місяці тому

      @@KobeJordanHakeemもちろん野蛮だろう。野蛮でなければ「太陽の沈まぬ国」はできなかった。

    • @ysgramornorris2452
      @ysgramornorris2452 4 місяці тому

      @@KobeJordanHakeem
      The Romans had their enemies crucified or fed to the lions.
      The English drowned or burned "witches".
      The American scalped the Natives.
      The Aztecs sacrificed both their own people and their captives by ripping out their still beating hearts.
      Barbarism and savagery are universal human traits.
      So if you're like "[insert specific culture here] are the real savages", you're wrong. Because your people are also real savages.

  • @masktuxedo77
    @masktuxedo77 5 місяців тому +280

    When the boy lord swing his sword, I thought "no way it is a clean cut, the show seems to mess it up, but who could ask a child actor to make such a convincing cut". 😅. Of course later the conversation between the adult Toranaga and his most trusted general, Hiromatsu, revealed that the show did not mess it up at all.

    • @CrniWuk
      @CrniWuk 4 місяці тому +18

      Who asks a child to be his second?

    • @ryanserdan4267
      @ryanserdan4267 4 місяці тому +30

      @@CrniWukI think it may have been intentional, to embarrass his opponent with his last breath

    • @therealistintheboot8822
      @therealistintheboot8822 4 місяці тому

      ​@@ryanserdan4267I can see if he was a grown man then he botched swings yeah but most of his men would say to the selves he get better.

  • @Turboy65
    @Turboy65 5 місяців тому +222

    Saeki was entirely too cheerful and friendly to be trusted right from the start.

    • @themjpaul
      @themjpaul 4 місяці тому +2

      Many enemies and zero friends.

    • @giuSE2004
      @giuSE2004 4 місяці тому

      I'm sure Toranaga knew this, everything that happened was planned by him and fell all perfectly, he won the war before it even started

  • @xlDeathlxJosey
    @xlDeathlxJosey 4 місяці тому +96

    All these characters "betraying" Toranaga knew exactly what he was and what his goal was, you really dont get that till the end of the show though. It was really a game of kill or be killed so i really can't look at any of them as "betrayers", they knew what was up. Toranaga was just better at playing the victim as well as playing honorable and that makes all the others look more corrupt and backstabby, that was why they lose in the end.

    • @stefan13M
      @stefan13M  4 місяці тому +5

      Would you turn against your brother when he asked for your help?

    • @xlDeathlxJosey
      @xlDeathlxJosey 4 місяці тому +25

      @@stefan13M given Toranaga was basically planning to use his brother as a back up chess piece I kinda get it. He was trying to play his brother and got played, fair game. I don't really think there were any truly GOOD people vying for power in this show, we saw that at the end when Toranaga was terrorizing Yabu's village after he was the one who burned the boat. Everyone was sacrificing those close to them.

    • @themjpaul
      @themjpaul 4 місяці тому +10

      He knew his brother would betray him.. it was all part of the ploy.
      The show kept telling us. He was traded as a boy and he learned, enemies are everywhere and Zero friends.

    • @elonwhatever
      @elonwhatever 4 місяці тому +1

      @@stefan13M Depends on the actions of the brother. Just because you are tied to someone by blood doesn't mean you want to be associate with their actions. I wouldn't want someone like Trump or Putin to be kin of mine.

  • @bagussunandi6540
    @bagussunandi6540 5 місяців тому +66

    ngl saeki is armor and his army looks cool af

    • @calebh7902
      @calebh7902 4 місяці тому +1

      Not as cool as Young Toranaga

  • @themjpaul
    @themjpaul 4 місяці тому +7

    The entire season he keeps telling us he is surrounded by enemies and no friends. I picked up on that line.

  • @lm2449
    @lm2449 4 місяці тому +19

    記憶違いかも知れないが昔、ロードショーのテレビ番組で龍の忍者の放映の時、終わりの解説で荻昌弘さんが 真田広之が世界で活躍することことを祈ってます。と言っていた。。 40年以上経ってその通りになった。

  • @Tom-z1e
    @Tom-z1e 4 місяці тому +10

    Thumbnail was the only thing i wanted to see in series.

  • @jamesericpham4139
    @jamesericpham4139 4 місяці тому +3

    Isn't it his brother In-Law !!
    That would make the deception easier to understand

  • @vdubmerc3
    @vdubmerc3 4 місяці тому +3

    Look at those cheek bones, of course Saeki was going to be the bad guy.

  • @ラーテル-j1y
    @ラーテル-j1y 4 місяці тому +20

    Many Japanese people hold the Bushido spirit close to their hearts

    • @JackMeoff46
      @JackMeoff46 4 місяці тому +9

      Bushido was not a thing in the sengoku era. The show depicted this accurately, it was eat or be eaten.

    • @blacktree4200
      @blacktree4200 4 місяці тому

      False lol

    • @ラーテル-j1y
      @ラーテル-j1y 4 місяці тому +1

      @@blacktree4200 What do you know about Japanese people?

    • @oven5997
      @oven5997 4 місяці тому

      @@ラーテル-j1ymore than u

    • @HF-mo7fo
      @HF-mo7fo 3 місяці тому

      そんなものはないよ

  • @thrice5560
    @thrice5560 5 місяців тому +98

    SHAMEFUR DISPRAY

    • @obi-wankenobi1750
      @obi-wankenobi1750 4 місяці тому +26

      MY LORD! OUR GENERAL HAS FALLEN!

    • @redsol3629
      @redsol3629 4 місяці тому +6

      My Lord! Owa men a running from the Batterferird!

    • @colinmerritt7645
      @colinmerritt7645 4 місяці тому +1

      TORONAGA-SAMA! YOU PRAY TO FURRIES TOO?

    • @JackMeoff46
      @JackMeoff46 4 місяці тому +1

      Total War Shogun, I had totally forgotten about that game

    • @mertylmaz1189
      @mertylmaz1189 4 місяці тому +1

      Takeda Clan gang rise up

  • @shaundavenport621
    @shaundavenport621 4 місяці тому +1

    The thumbnail would make an excellent painting!

  • @grayj7441
    @grayj7441 3 місяці тому

    You didn't actually cut all the way through. Skill of leaving a flap of skin connected like a pez dispenser

  • @geoffquartermainebastin9302
    @geoffquartermainebastin9302 4 місяці тому +2

    I loved the book, EXCEPT for the name changes. Why did Clavell do that? The history is accurate, everything except the names, yet any student of Japanese history knows them perfectly well..

    • @luiscarlosmotasantos729
      @luiscarlosmotasantos729 3 місяці тому

      Ni idea. Se entiende lo de Mariko San porque lo adaptaron de Garasha pero lo demás no tanto.

  • @thefluffyshark5202
    @thefluffyshark5202 4 місяці тому

    Watching this show high was a mistake, this scene and the one where Toranagas son slipped and cracked his head open, certainly a shock

  • @Config2025
    @Config2025 4 місяці тому

    When it comes to sword fights azumi was one of my favorite.

  • @majemaje0805sweetvoice
    @majemaje0805sweetvoice 4 місяці тому +6

    The novel ends, but the history of Japan is interesting from here on out.The battle at Sekigahara with Ishido, a grand location similar to Game of Thrones, thousands of extras, and a bloody battle scene alone could make a second season. In season 3, the battle of Ochiba (Yodo-dono) who turned around and led Toranaga to victory in the Battle of Sekigahara, and his son fights Toranaga at the impregnable Osaka Castle, the winter camp, the battle of the summer camp, and the novel is written in a foreign country. Although the original author is a human being, starting from season 2, Japanese historians and talented screenwriters selected from Japan will be involved in the production, so the Japanese culture will be doubled.In season 2, Ochiha will be played by Fumika Nikaido, who will be the main character. It will be interesting because he will be the main character along with Hiroyuki Sanada.The Battle of Sekigahara, the Winter Siege, and the Summer Siege will reach the climax in history.
    Also, Mariko-sama and Yabushige, who passed away in season 1, will appear in flashback scenes, so they will likely appear in season 2 as well.
    Seasons 2 and 3 are likely to have a larger global audience than season 1.
    Please consider making a season 2.

    • @calebh7902
      @calebh7902 4 місяці тому +2

      Where did you get this info? Are you sure they will be making a season 2? The battle scene would be historic.

    • @nmc400
      @nmc400 4 місяці тому +2

      Nope no season 2, this is where the novel ends. In ep 10. If there was a s2, they havent started filming yet. So itd be ateast another 5 yrs.

    • @JackMeoff46
      @JackMeoff46 4 місяці тому

      Me when I spread misinformation on the internet

    • @pogiakolagi1909
      @pogiakolagi1909 4 місяці тому

      No season 2. The story ended. He already told us what's going to happen. And we already know what his 3rd heart really wants.

    • @calebh7902
      @calebh7902 4 місяці тому

      @@pogiakolagi1909 what is av3rd heart?

  • @pisuoxide
    @pisuoxide 4 місяці тому +9

    So Toranaga was encircled in Edo. How did he escape with his forces?

    • @timothy1949
      @timothy1949 4 місяці тому +1

      it doesn't matter 😂😂 he wins no matter what, thats the point

    • @OkaNieba
      @OkaNieba 4 місяці тому +7

      As i understand is, the forces we see are but a garrison( during the meeting with the Teahouse owner, she stated it as such). After Mariko died he fled Edo and joins his main forces gathering elsewhere.

    • @calebh7902
      @calebh7902 4 місяці тому

      Did you not watch the rest?

    • @OkaNieba
      @OkaNieba 4 місяці тому +1

      @@calebh7902 I did thats why i answered. Its hinted that the troops who were hit by the earthquake arent his main forces and after Marikos death the Lord of Osaka gets a report that Toranaga got away.

    • @vk45de54
      @vk45de54 4 місяці тому

      @@OkaNieba Yeah... how did he get past the surround forces? Plot armor.

  • @AngelasAdventures1
    @AngelasAdventures1 3 місяці тому

    full movie`s link please 🙏

  • @stefan13M
    @stefan13M  4 місяці тому

    We have good news.
    "A second season renewal of the limited series is in the works."
    tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/shogun-season-two-renewal-in-the-works-for-fx-drama-hiroyuki-sanada-signed-to-return/

    • @davidguglielmo1177
      @davidguglielmo1177 4 місяці тому

      i don't want a second series, the series ended precisely where he needed to end, nothing more nothing less

  • @VitNg-vl9ek
    @VitNg-vl9ek 4 місяці тому

    what is the title of this movie? or is it a TV show? Thank you

    • @stefan13M
      @stefan13M  4 місяці тому +1

      Shogun is the title and is a TV show.

  • @renevalice3056
    @renevalice3056 3 місяці тому

    I could be mistaken, but I swear I heard an elephant in the background; these samurai must have been fought far from Japan?

  • @ULTRAOutdoorsman
    @ULTRAOutdoorsman 3 місяці тому

    Why uhhhh why wasn't he called Zataki

  • @simosimo-jo8cp
    @simosimo-jo8cp 4 місяці тому

    日本製作の時代劇は物語的にも映像的にもトーンの暗い作品て無い印象

    • @yamato868
      @yamato868 4 місяці тому

      日本の場合、痛快娯楽時代劇だから暗い作品はないな。

  • @ancientruth5298
    @ancientruth5298 4 місяці тому

    This is very dangerous pls dont do this at home

  • @siyamikoksal960
    @siyamikoksal960 4 місяці тому +2

    Shogun is egual to disappointment

  • @oxygen116
    @oxygen116 5 місяців тому +4

    每次看日本这类古装片就觉得挺有意思的,几个村几百个人打群架,演的像大军阀混战似的。

    • @reincarnate3440
      @reincarnate3440 5 місяців тому +7

      這部影射日本戰國時代 當時的城鎮已經有相當規模 戰爭一般都以萬人為單位 發留言前做點功課 不難的

    • @timothy1949
      @timothy1949 4 місяці тому +1

      這部劇完全沒有戰爭場面,的確有點沒意思
      但現實中在這部劇講述即將發生的德川幕府時期前,已經發生萬曆朝鮮戰爭。鬼子30萬大軍越洋入侵朝鮮,明朝10萬官兵支援,為明朝萬曆三大征之一,了解一下

    • @junjiexiang5991
      @junjiexiang5991 4 місяці тому

      拍摄手法比历害国强也挺有意思的

  • @ysgramornorris2452
    @ysgramornorris2452 4 місяці тому +1

    His little brother, no less.

  • @গারমারাগেলো
    @গারমারাগেলো 4 місяці тому +1

    শিখতে গেলে লোভি হোলে ফোট বাড়া