Drums are Never Animated Correctly...Right?
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2023
- Maybe SOMETIMES they're animated correctly...
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BTR used footage of the real musicians (who produced a 14 track album as "Kessoku Band" which is essentially the OST) as reference for the animation, as well as getting sponsored by the manufacturers of real instruments which can be seen throughout the show - all in an effort to be as accurate as possible. An incredible effort by a production team that were essentially taking charge for the first time.
Yeah lotta rotoscoping in that one. There's a piano anime where they mocap'ed the piano dude and do some impossible, but accurate, camera runs across the keys. Fantastic.
@@computer_toucher sakamichi no apollon?
@@ilham7345your lie in april
Also the original author of the manga made it accurate because she loves music, and wanted all the instruments to be accurate (Granted the manga doesn't have audio, but I swear I read this somewhere). So I assume that's why the animation studio also put in all that effort to honor that.
the amount of sponsor the show get is heartwarming as they showed great support and real interest
Bocchi the rock was actually pretty good when it came to the animation of them playing
Good animation references goes a looong way. Though I'm not sure if they went as far as rotoscoping; if it was, then it was really well done integrated to the style of animation
@@thefataon They didn't technically use rotoscoping but they did in fact use live action video and motion-captured CGI as reference material for the fully hand-painted animation. They went way further than plain rotoscoping, and I'm pretty sure they did this in some other scenes as well
@@A._Meroy All the musical sequences, including the Sick Hack performance, I believe. The show was made with love.
@@A._Meroy that's sick! Am a big fan of Btr, but never got into the behind the scenes stuff. Most anime that uses motion tracking cgi really suffer from it not working well with the non cgi scenes, but Btr really integrates it super well!
@@thefataon Not only the animators got all into the music, but voice actors as well started to learn to play. :D
On Episode 12 of Bocchi The Rock, they actually animated the crash cymbal being stopped with her left hand.
If you pay attention to her in the final episode of Bocchi the Rock they even animated her keeping time with her foot, even though she's way in the background for only a second.
I perfectly remember being positively amazed by the animation in Bocchi. Not only the drums, but all of the band members.
The specific moment that really hooked me was seeing Nijika smashing her cymbals in perfect timing with the music. After that, I re-watched the scene like 4 times.
And after watching a couple of times, something became painfully obvious: even more important than the accuracy (which was spot on) was every single little bit of movement from the characters. The way Nijika's body sways with her hits, the way Hitori and Ryo rock their guitar/bass back and forward, the way Kita bounces in front of the mic (as you can see at 0:10), just their entire body language in general. It's just animation bliss
what got me was noticing that the drums were off in the music and then bocchi mentioning that nijika was slow
honestly kinda blew me away that they would tie the sound to the story and it made me feel like they were actually playing rather than just like miming to an ost
like the characters would be able to play the music too
BTW was actually the first time I saw an anime actually go through the hoops of animating both audio AND visuals of a "bad performance". Very often when you see a supposed "bad performance" in a show, its just the regular audio and scenes and the characters mentioning there were mistakes. But here they went beyond that and actually produced the music a second time with messed up notes and timing. Its amazing!
i remember that there's a clip in one of their performances where there's a break and nijika isn't playing, and you can see her leg bouncing in time with the song
@@kitsuneneko2567it's not out of character. It's just showing that
1- she can get lost in music
2- she's willing to push herself to protect the band that has her only friends
@@kitsuneneko2567 it's not "my opinion", it's literally what's happening on screen.... You can't just take a decision by the author and say "that's not in character". The scene IS defining a character. This isn't some long running show with very defined personalities, we barely know her at this point
I'm so glad this show has been getting attention, it's so freaking good
Talking about BTR if it not obvious
wasn't it top anime of the year?
@@qwaffled idk i'm just glad a show I enjoy is popular
@@PumpkinPainChad behavior
Honey wake up, another emc video
the most overused comment ever
@@duston1649 and?
I love this
I'm generally amazed by every instrument in the BanG Dream anime, but Masuki (MASKING) drum solo in S3E1 hits different!
I'm waiting this comment! Masking is SS tier ❤
I was VERY worry when I see Nijika (the drummer from Bocchi The Rock) on the thumbnail. Good thing she passed.
That was one of a rare one where the drummer animation is all accurate _when_ it is shown on the screen. Not a lot but definitely all accurate from what I saw for all 12 episodes.
6:28
considering the actor is David Hasselhoff, and the show is called "Hoff Knows Talent," I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be David Hasselhoff
6:25 You dont know THE HOFF? Knight rider? Baywatch!? hooo boy... thats David the freaking Hasselhoff!
I’ve been rewatching Bocchi and it’s honestly even better than the first time I watched it
I seems to be one of those shows where the more you watch it, the more detail you see.
Hats off to the production crew fr
6:23 "I'm guessing this guy..."
THIS GUY?
THIS GUY IS DAVID FREAKIN HASSELHOFF!!!
🤦♂️
NEVER JUDGE A DRUMMER BY HIS IQ
For Hop I think they might have motion captured just the sticks themselves. It's really smooth, unlike getting people who often occlude the tracker marks making them stiff and twitchy, the drumsticks are easier to get in constant view of the camera, and probably captured at a fairly good framerate. You'd then rig the sticks to drag the arms and body about, clean it up a bit when elbows bend the wrong way, and worry just about animating the head for the most part.
For the rabbit on HOP, they could've gotten motion capture by having a real drummer playing a giant drumset.
Just binge watched this series, I'm not a musician, tho I am an artist, but watching the animations that just didn't get it right I think I notice a pattern? Very often they seem to make the character hit way more drums and move around more than necessary for what is actually being played, and my theory is that they're trying to make the drummer seem more hype? Since a drummer playing more stuff and moving around more looks "cooler" than a drummer actually playing the rhythm in the song.
I started to notice this in the Scooby Doo one because the difference in movement from animation to actual song was so drastic.
The other way around also seems like a common thing in some of those, more complex drums being animated by something simple and repetitive even if that's not accurate, usually when it's a more background drummer.
Anyway! Super fun series to watch! I might not know anything about music and instruments but it's always so interesting and cool to watch stuff like this! Just wanted to put my thoughts out hahah
yeah it strikes me that they're trying to capture the "vibes" of the drums (especially when they're super hectic) even if it's not technically accurate
6:23 lmao that's David Hasselhoff...
Surprised that HOP got an S considering not only did the rabbit never hit the kick at any point (including the flyover that clearly showed him not hitting it), he was not even physically tall enough to hit it. Granted that it's movie magic and highly accurate to the sound otherwise, I would've thought that would've made it solidly A tier.
I think that was what the original comment meant when it said there was a glaring problem.
Chert's drumming in Outer Wilds is animated pretty well
Yep! It's pretty sad that the DLC extra musician didn't get the same attention to detail as the original ones...
@@bacicinvatteneaca dang, i didn't pay attention to that. Such somberness tho 😥
Sup, famous comment.
@@flynnroberts7787 Famous is disputable but hi reply to a famous comment
Sees David Hasselhoff
"this guy" haha
By the fourth time he said, "We all know what time it is now," I got the picture and I was like, oh, I am so subscribed. He explains everything in threes and HE'S REALLY FREAKING GOOD AT IT. I just watched 4 videos and got education that expanded my brain. This is good
8:32 What do you mean? That's exactly how Ulrich always played his parts.
watching you play Master of Puppets is my favorite moment of this channel... so far ;)
you even got the St. Anger snare in honor of Lars
Yeah, anime is the only place I've seen multiple seperate instances of actually referenced playing for their musical animation.
I remember the first time I watched that Guitar Solo for "God Knows" in Haruhi Suzumiya, my mind was blown.
I believe that's an audition for k-on (more likely it was a internal pre-test for k-on)
"covered behind people most of the time" sounds about right!! very accurate !!
Once again, Nijika is the best.
Discovered this thanks to some friends, but there’s one drumming bit in Season 1, Episode 47 of Bluey. There’s also a small bit in S1 E3, but it’s not on a drum kit
Punk-o-matic is probably my favourite flash game of all time, glad to see it featured!
I am an animator and also a musician. I never had the opportunity to animate a drum scene and I'm not sure if that's a good thing since animating is hard work and the deadlines are not kind, hence the ones with inaccurate animation either being animated by non-musicians or no more time.
You should do across the spiderverse in the next episode it has a really colorful drumming sequence
Watched this video today, went to see this movie tonight, came back to suggest it. Unfortunately, I don’t know if he’ll be able to do it because there weren’t a ton of long shots her actually drumming, just a lot of quick cuts. I’ll second this rec, though.
I mean they gave her jazz grip so its probably real, too choppy to really see it tho
Ok I watched it multiple times as a drummer I hate to say this but the drumming scene in the spider man was done kinda poorly
YES PLEASE TRANSCRIBE IT I WANT TO PLAY IT SO BAD
OKAY MY TAKE IS. They animated the drums to be true to the "spirit" of what was played? instead of actually playing accurately. Since gwen was animated at a slow-enough framerate that it was out of sync with the music, it had to have meant animating her accurately wouldn't look as nice and !flashy! as how her drumming sounds. I saw that as she was going ham on the cymbals the audio was moving through the toms.
And it's not like the animators didn't know how drums operated, they knew what they were doing. To have gwen play in traditional grip, to have every other frame of the movie apart from her drumming to be handled with the utmost care over three years, and then blame the animators not knowing how to animate drums is ludicrous to me.
So I think they made her drumming LOOK more flashy and impressive so that a. it stayed true to the emotions gwen was feeling during the sequence, b. so that people who didn't play drums would understand her emotions at a quick glance, and c. animating her accurately would put her out of sync with the audio and it would be incongruent with the already established style of the film, (on variable frame rates).
First; I wanna see ya check out interstellar 5555 and Given
Second, Some simplified animation stuffs
Rotoscoping: drawing or tracking elements over top of 2d footage (a scanner darkly is a prominent example)
Motion tracking is having a bunch of data points on an actor and capturing that data, then transferring it to a rigged asset (think like a digital puppet)
As long as your control and your rig has the same number of objects tracked/objects to apply those tracks to you can mocap anything down to very small detail. You can also scale stretch and tweak things. That's how Benedict Cumberbatch was a giant mocapped dragon
FINALLY ANOTHER EPISODE!!!
awesome video as always 🤟
Nijika passed the vibe check
seeing eric play master of puppets was quite possibly my dream come true. 😎
The "Pete the Cat" one looks like it would've been easier to animate if they had done it correctly 😅 minus the fill
they made the animation in bochi the rock REALLY good. considering that they had to adjust to the FPS of the animation.
I never knew that 2 of my favorite genre's in a video would be so good
Thanks EMC
5:13 Yo, this reminds me a lot of the intro to "Fight Against a Somewhat Stronger Monster" from Super Mario RPG
Did you just call THE HOFF, that guy?
I commented this before, but you should check out the sacred 2 song from a quest that was done by Blind Guardian. It is motion captured and done really well. Probably one of the best I've seen and the game was made in 2008. Great content as always, keep up the good work.
The B in Mighty B stands for black midi
eric just blowing by AGT lore with missing David Hasselhoff as the OG judge
bro, we love this series
Smooth musical animations always make me feel a certain way, especially rotoscoped ones.
Please do somebody give me a grade from Phineas and Ferb
"i guess that's supposed to be like Simon Cowell?"
Literally David Hasselhoff
Definitely would love to see the beginning of "Rehabklok" where Pickles is hanging for dear life onto the side of a flying drumkit, and the drumbeat is still playing.
somehow the "What was actually played" of that second clip just made me think of Ghetsis' theme
extrañaba esta serie ❤
@@EMC_PRODUCTION sos el original?
Here's one I haven't seen you do you yet. Episode 12 of the Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi (2006) has a "live band" segment where the on screen instrument play is quite good by my uneducated eye.
My suggestion: Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episode 26!
The God Knows sequence.
Great video 👍🔝
I’m just now noticing, but I think he always says “get ready kids… for the WAPP” 😂😂😂
You know it's gonna be bad when the drums are just the kick and two toms
Hey, Idk if you've done it yet but Code Lyoko has drum animations in episode 2! I think they're pretty on point
you should do scenes from the anime "beck mongolian chop squad" theres definitely a LOT of scenes to pick from
everything is animated perfectly always
A dagger to my childhood's heart - that wasn't Punk-o-Matic 2! You should find POM2! It has like 20x the amount of drum parts.
In Kirby and the Forgotten Land, after you beat the main story a band shows up in town who basically act as a jukebox of the game's music, but I noticed that (at least for the main theme) the drummer plays on beat and switches drums at seemingly appropriate times, and I wondered if you'd investigate.
please investigate this!
6:11 that fill was sick!!
You could try looking up Piemation and Scratch21's cover of AC/DC's "big b*lls". Riley (another rabbit) does a pretty nice job on her drumming and the song and animation are both quite good. Gotta feel for the guy in the sound booth. (A place I've been for many, many hours...:) This is a fun series, thanks for sharing! stu
new emc let’s go
You don’t know David Hasselhoff? Thanks for making me feel old…
given has a pretty good drum animation too (mainly during their song on the penultimate episode)
I love the old punk o matic flash games hahaha i had a lot of fun with it as a kid.
Now do "Can I Borrow A Feeling?" Kirk Van Houten Simpsons
The only animations I can think about that you have and already covered was. The band's intro for aquateen hunger force the movie. The song's name is... cut you up with a linoleum knife... hmmm
New to the channel so not sure if you did the song Tree Critter from the movie Hoodwinked, but it is the most accurate animation of drums I've seen. Kind of ironic that movie gets knocked for its animation.
HITMAN (2016) has a drum kit that is played as a possible lead to seclude a target.
Punk O Matic is such a throwback. I loved that game as kid.
But it has bad words
@@Zygzak-vj4ic The horror!
no way hop is an S tier, he wasnt even hitting the hat in the second part
i love this.
I don't know if anyone already suggested this one but the 1st ep of Yuki Yuna is a hero s3 has a really well animated drumming scene right at the beggining of ep 1
Hitman 1 had a short drum solo that I thought was extremely good, but I’m a trumpet player so I could be very wrong.
I recommend the drumming from Hibike Euphonium. An anime about a concert band but at some points they play drums.
Can you do Madagascar, please? It's quite impressive. Nice video btw!
Video 19 of asking for the full Freebird Guitar Solo on the Megatenors
its interesting how "on average" they hit around 56%, suggesting they are... about tier B and C, but in actuality they are either really good or really crappy, I guess you either care or don't care, no in betweens
Do the festival episode of the melancholy of haruhi suzumiya episode 12! The songs god knows and lost my music. And a short drum solo.
I got another one for you: the astronaut/drummer in Dr Stone. Dudes drumming a beat long before any drums play in the soundtrack.
You have to do the Celesteville Junior Marching Band episode from Babar and the Adventures of Badou
I think it could be interesting to look at Marcy's drumming from amphibia playing No big deal.
The master of puppets one was a video made by a different UA-camr. They just made a video of a bunch of people emoting different emotes and putting master of puppets over top of it. So it wasn’t animated to be put with master of puppets lol
_Yuuki Yuuna is a Hero_ S3 has 3 short drum scenes at the beginning of episode 1, please check that out
If it animated correctly and perfectly, it gonna cost almost 10k only for thats scene
Punk-o-Matic 2 has kick drum animation and some Toms as well. Check it out! There's incredible accuracy! Drummer's approval
I'd love to see you include Animusic's Drum Machine.
He already did it. Watch episode 4!
You HAVE to do spiderman across the spiderverse
I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone mention Angel Beats. It has one of the best band sequences in anime, in my opinion, and it's not even supposed to be a major plot point of it.
I think the not just one but *two* floor toms _behind_ the regular toms and _next to_ the bass drum along with the two snare drums and the cowbell facing directly away from the seat is actually the funniest thing I've ever seen in a Looney Tunes cartoon.
Oh, and neither of his feet are moving.
How about the Haruhi Suzumiya songs God Knows and Lost my Music from Episode 12?
I was surprised K-On!'s Ritsu was in C tier until I saw which clip you watched 😄 I'd definitely put it up for a rerun with a clip of them actually playing e.g. Fuwa Fuwa Time.
Please do Animal from the Muppets, I really wonder how puppet shows do drum scences
I think there was in bubblegum crisis nice drum scene
Children on the slope, the drums i wonder how well it holds up.
Amazingg!!
You should do Tom and Jerry episode 155 Rock 'n' Rodent. where at night time, Jerry went and play drums in the bar and annoyed the heck out of Tom
I'm not currently planning to animate drums.but this is definitely making me care should I do that haha
Spiderman Across the Spider verse! The intro when Gwen stacey was playing!