Yes I have the 1100 magnum 12 gauge and it is 42 years old and functions like the day I bought it. I did have the gas rings replaced before putting it up.
Just glad ruger got ahold of marlin. I know ruger doesn't make top tier stuff, but at least it all functions properly. Lot of the remington marlins where trash.
Tangy Diesel Tge old stuff marlin and Remington made were top notch for the money. I didn’t want to pay for a browning shotgun a5 wish I had one but my Remington will never be for sale . I did get rid of my marlin . Have grandpa’s old Winchester I promise to my nephew when I go.
@@paulatudor691 older remington rifles and shotguns will last a lifetime or two. But seemed most of their stuff went downhill a decade or two ago. My brother also has an 1100 that's great, as well as his bolt action rifle. However, my bolt action (can't remember the number) I got about 10 years ago is really poor, and a friend who got a new shotgun about 5 years ago was really disappointed in its quality. Made my cheep mossberg look like the better buy.
"The Colt Detective special has been working for 100 years and they'll work for 100 more, the Taurus PT. 22 hasn't worked for 10 minutes" That's one hell of a quote
in 15 years my colt Detective Special will have its hundreth birthday. still runs like a champ and carries comfortably. his backup, the DSII stainless in my pocket, is as old as i am and is just as fun and reliable.
I bought a new PT 22. Couldn't get off more than a few shots without jams. And it hit 6 inches to the left at 25 feet! Sent it back to Taurus and they said it was unfixable, so they let me pick a different gun in the same price range. Taurus customer service was excellent, but the PT 22 is just a terrible gun.
I was working at a gun shop and range when the Remington RP9 came out. I saw some spectacular malfunctions and complete failures while I was there. One guy test fired it and it actually turned the cartridge 180° out of the magazine and tried to chamber it backwards. I have no idea how that happened, but I saw it with my own eyes.
Perhaps my friend and I obtained the only 2 functional RP9s. And we bought them cheap (~$200 ea IIRC). No hiccups at all. I think mine has 200-250 rounds downrange. I've had more problems trying to get an HK VP9 to run reliably.
Personally, I've had no issues with my Kel-Tec KS7. Granted it's fairly new and I've only had a few outings with it, but so far so good. I've ran birdshot, buckshot and slugs through it, no problem so far. It always gets a lot of attention when I break it out at the range and it shreds the hell out of everything in front of it. No complaints at the moment.
Funny, I forgot I posted this. Well update. I sold my Kel-Tec b/c it started having jamming issues. It would fire then the shell would lodge in the tube and I'd have to take it apart. At first I gave it the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I was short stroking but no, after the 4th or 5th jam, I cleaned it up, took it to the gun show and sold it off. Good news is I came out pretty decent. Only slightly less than what I paid and was able to put that towards my Mossberg 930 Tactical SPX semi auto. Had it cerekoted up like my state's (SC) flag. It's a good weapon. Marion's Machina.
The old Remington 870's were great guns. I bought mine at Wal-Mart during the Bush Era for under $200. Would've kept it if I knew how terrible the new ones were going to be. Atleast my Mossbergs still work.
Yep. If your Remington 870 is old, it's a reliable tank that always works. I'm 52, got my 870 when I was 15, just gets better with age. The 870 that is
You're lucky. I got a left hand new 12ga 870 Express 28". $350.00 2015. I did not like it. Big Green was not making high quality shotguns. The wood was cheap, the recoil with 00 12ga buck was 😖. If the new Remington mgmt cares they need to put $$$ in the 🏭 , staff training.
Agreed on the 870....I bought a used police trade in from the 1988.... still works like new! And the classic wood and steel combo never goes out of style
Cheers to the gun community for voting you top dog reviewer. You bring the perfect mix of being highly informed, highly skilled and yet completely down to earth and just "one of the guys". I don't buy without checking you first as I know it won't be an advertisement but rather a considered honest opinion from an informed source. Thanks Outlaw, and say hi to the Mrs.
The only problem I had with my KS7 is the recoil. It's lightweight so it kicks. It was tricky to load in the beginning, but after practicing, rounds just slide right in now. Other than that, no problems.
I love my KS7…..ran 00 buckshot right out of the box with not one single issue. Would not give it up for anything. It a fun gun to shoot and yes, it’s my bedside gun along with my Glock 20. Took the carry handle off and installed a Picatinny rail, pop-up Magpul sights, Missouri recoil butt pad and offset rail mounted flashlight. Maybe I’m the lucky one……but my KS7 is reliable 😊
I actually love my KS-7. as far as falling apart you may have gotten one that had a defect as i have put quite a few more rounds through mine than went through yours and it's still holding strong. Secondly i noticed you were using low brass shells, the KS-7 is designed for best performance with 2 3/4 inch high brass shells. The lips on the low brass shells don't have enough meat to be consistently picked up or held in place, this is what causes the feed issue. I wouldn't count the KS-7 out totally just yet.
Yeah it sounds like he had a defective product and didnt give it a fair shot. Mine has been rock solid, although the first time I shot slugs out of it the recoil surprised me lol. I also like my sub 2000.
Looking at picking one up. Wondering, if HIS might've needed to be cleaned/oiled in preparation. Perhaps re-assembled, missing a closure point!? 🤔 Not seeing where he had problems, specifically. Just a general... dislike/fell apart video.
Yes! Please more videos like this. You do great work reviewing weapons show the best for the money. It is just as important to show those that we should stay away from at all costs. Thanks again for your good work.
100% yes on more videos like these... Times ain't the greatest with everything that's been going on the last couple of years and money is harder to come by not to mention prices are way up so it sucks much more when you spend your hard earned money on a POS or you might actually need that gun for something other then shooting steel and paper. Luckily most guns coming out tend to work but when one doesn't we need the Guntubers to call it out for what it is. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
The KS7 I have is great and has never malfunctioned except for user error. My only complaint is that it's easy to short stroke but once I broke the gun in I haven't had any issues.
Same here, I bet I have close to 1000 rounds through mine and have never had a feeding issue. He must have got one from a batch that the night shift at kel-tec made lol.
@@ThePikmin18 the problem with KelTec isn’t that they can’t make a good gun. It’s that you never know if your going to get a pos or and outstanding firearm. It’s 50/50 every time. I’ve owned several and am disappointed 2 out of 3 times. My experience the longer the gun has been out the better your luck gets.
Do not know about the ksg7, but i use a original ksg with the double mag as my main tracking shotgun and have killed over 50 deer with it and zero problems. Accuracy to 70+ yds and 7/8 oz remington slugger slugs is great.
Same here, not a big shotgun guy in general, but I got a used KS7 and have about 750-ish rounds through it, all kinds of random loads from birdshot to slugs, and never a single malfunction. It's been a great gun for me, I know it'll go bang every single time, and will feed and fire everything I load it with.
I agree with your comments on the Taurus PT22. I had one and ended up "disassembling" it with a hatchet, and replacing it with a Beretta Bobcat. No problems with the Baretta. As for the KelTec KS7, I do own one of them and it runs fine for me. Even works with 'Minishells". Especially like the fiber optic sight. Maybe you got a bad one. One note: you can't baby the action.
Agreed, I’ve had my KS7 for over a year and I’ve never had a jam. I’ve used every type of shell I could buy. Besides dragons breath ha. But it cycles and works fine. I hate he got a bad one.
@@chrisfordyce8420 I do not, buuut I would recommend the DP12 in its place. It holds around the same ammo but it’s a double barrel pump action. So instead of re-chambering after every trigger pull you now pull the trigger twice then re-chamber.
Yeah I was in denial about the ks7 because I’m biased towards Keltec But yeah that shotgun is fucking trash even nutn fancy reviewed the shotgun and was not a fan to say the least
@@ArmedChicano While I've found it to be very discomforting to shoot, unreliable it has not been. My work has had one in for some time on a rental wall and we've documented at least 400 shells through it. All malfunctions I've seen have been operator induced with short stroking. Which, was a common issue with the KSG and other bullpup shotguns typically as people just don't seem to be used to them. I won't deny either person's experience but I honestly don't believe they are as bad as either reviewed them to be. I don't think it's super amazing either for that matter.
In my Navy days I had a Remington 1911. It was my personal weapon for 3 years. Never jammed, never misfired, and was extremely accurate. Very disappointed to hear that the company has sunk so low.
I have a fair amount of experience with the Kel Tec KS7. You are both right and wrong about it. When I bought mine it suffered from light primer strikes right out of the box so I had to send it back. Kel Tec fix the problem and returned the shotgun to me in less than a week. And they paid for the shipping. So the customer service was good. After that it has functioned quite well. And is one of the few shotguns that will run both mini shells, standard length shells and 3 inch magnum shells. In that regard it is very versatile. The only other problem I have had is that a few of the screws holding the pump grip loosened up. I put it back together with some blue Loctite and have had no loosening since. TheKS7 is not a shotgun that likes to be gently pumped. I find the most reliability when really cycling hard. Gentle cycling tends to cause problems. I would never consider the KS7 anything other than a fun range toy, but for that purpose I have found it to be pretty good. Definitely worth what I paid for it.
You two, Paul and Ian are by far and away my favorite content creators on YT. Different styles, different content, but the same effort and passion to put forth quality and entertaining videos. Keep up the great work Mr. and Mrs. Outlaw!
The Maverick 88 can still be had for 220-250$ brand new depending on configuration. I can't comprehend why people buy some of the other junk on the market to save less than 50 bucks.
I ask myself this question every day. I carry an fn509 compact and love it, but my brother went with a Taurus GX4 because “I don’t want to spend more than like $400 for a pistol” when a used gen 4 Glock 19 was $450…
This is what Joe Blow would get off the shelf, so thanks to you for 'NOT' having the mfg's sending you their worked over with a fine tooth comb polished and primped guns for you to gush over. Honest Outlaw keepin' it real.
I've been tempted to pick up the RP9 a few times. They were selling for $190 nib in my area. "Still not worth 190" was a sad statement from the staff. One of them bought 10 with an employee discount for laughs but I never got a full update on how many worked.
I can attest to the ATI Omni AR. I was at the range a few weeks ago, and a fellow had multiple issues with it. I tried some basic troubleshooting, but the damn thing just wouldn't cycle properly.
I agree 100%. ATI is trash. I can't tell you how many times I had to mortar this piece of junk! Thank God I sold it for what I paid for it and never looked back
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 I've had mine for about 15 years and has no less than a few thousand rounds through it. It eats everything I feed it. We'd take it camping and just abuse the hell out of it putting a lot of rounds down range. Best 4200 ish gun I ever bought.
@@memyself898 nice, I had always heard good things about them, but had purchased used old 870’s and 500’s instead and cleaned them up/refinished them and never given them a shot. Thanks for the info 🇺🇸!
Honestly that’s why I clicked on this particular one. I watch him normally and love it. But when I seen that pic I was like what? KSG is amazing. Glad it was click bait lol
My biggest takeaway from this video is that these are some GREAT single-shot firearms that enhance and significantly refine a shooter's ability to clear malfunctions in a practical manner.
Please have more content like this. Being a retiree I have a limited budget to enjoy my gun habit and being for warned about "clunkers" and "boat anchors" I can spend my money more wisely. I trust your reviews. Keep up the good work.
I had a KSG for several years maybe 500 or 600 rounds through it, aside from ergonomics mechanically it never gave me issues. If I had to add one the worst gun I ever owned was a sig mosquito. I'm not sure if they ever got those issues corrected I've polished ramps changed mags change mag springs change recoil springs lubed it cleaned it a few thousand rounds through it never got it to run correctly. Took it to a gunsmith and back to the store I bought it at to have their gunsmith look at it I did all the stuff they asked me to do they ran the best with CCI but at least every other magazine I had double feeds failures to eject and so on. Bought a Ruger SR22 and never had an issue. I just wanted something cheap ,fun to shoot the last time we had an ammo shortage. I will say I own several Kimber 1911s although I see tons of videos of guys having issues I have yet to have one so I understand that one may work for somebody very well and one may not work for someone else at all. Love the channel because of you I finally got my first CZ absolutely fantastic gun.
I bought a GSG firefly last summer & it's been working great for me. Idk if they're doing anything different than Sig but whatever they're doing, it's working. I shoot it almost every day. Getting ready to go out back & shoot it right now actually 🤣 I'm sure that I've at least put over 3000 rds through it so far. Federal bulk, Rem bulk, even Win White Box "Western" bulk (which doesn't run worth a crap in any of my other semi 22s). Its been a decent yet inexpensive plinker. Cheap polymer, cheap pot metal slide... but it works. Fairly accurate too.
I remember my dad bought one for me when i was little and it couldnt get through a mag of Aguila at all. He was pissed and i was angry they put the Sig Sauer name on it. Considering his W.German P220 was quite the opposite.
@@thereindeertherabbitthebat592 Got one of those for dirt cheap from a guy that stated it was junk, gun was filthy. Cleaned up and yeah it actually not a bad little pistol especially for the price.
here in Brazil we had most of the taurus weapons that basically only served as a paperweight, when they weren't firing bursts by themselves, and currently we have the IMBEL IA2 which is a "modernization of the FN FAL" (yes, our industry is late at this level), luckily you probably don't have most of that crap around
@@clawhammer704 The Taurus 92 copies were, for a time, better than the Beretta they copied. Or maybe it would be more appropriate to say the Berettas were worse? Whatever.
America actually has strict quality controls on imported guns, and almost no quality controls on domestically made guns. For this reason, sometimes there will be a foreign gun company that makes mostly crap, but the gun they sell on the American market is gold standard. I think part of the reason Chinese products get such a bad wrap, rather it be guns, or any other product, is because a lot of trade regulations are laxed on their stuff, because of treaties, but that is just a personal hunch.
I have a KS7, I shoot this weapon often, and keep the maintenance up every time. Yes it’s made with light weight cheap products!! But I have not had any issues at all. Not one… maybe 600 rounds has went through the barrel. Now I will say this, when training with my backup sig 365. I’m having issues with loading the KS7 when under fire. Mini shells I thought would be the answer with less loading. But grip was an issue as well when it came to the shells. But me the 2 3/4 inch shells works best when dealing under pressure. Loading took time as well, if not careful your foot could be an issue, even with the sling adjustment pulled tight, to help keep the mussel out 5 feet. But for close encounters, I’ll take the KS7 or the KSG any day. But only with proper training. Thanks for you video, good job.
I had a chance to work on an ati Omni hybrid a while back. Found a major issue in the upper receiver. The metal sleeve that the bolt carrier rides in had a few, rather large, protrusions on the transition point between the steel and polymer receiver. Knocked them down with a small file and it functions flawlessly now.
Why can't KelTec just be a gun design company and outsource the manufacturing to a company who knows how to actually manufacture a functioning firearm.
@Lurch7861 He is talking about a gun that literally fell apart while Chris was shooting it. Limp wrist, abuse, neglect had nothing to do with it. The gun legit fell apart. Kel-Tec guns do look good, so he is right about outsourcing the manufacturing
@@bobjames2312 The magazine cap isn't even on the weapon in the footage of it falling apart. There is also a gap between the barrel and receiver of about 3/8" which caused the double feed issue, because the weapon was never assembled properly after field stripping it. He was trying to fire a partially assembled weapon. This is no fault of the weapon. This is just operator error, or incompetence. I love this channel, but lets get serious here.I would love to see the unedited part where it was taken out of the box, or the reassembly he did after field stripping it. It's simply missing the magazine cap which has a spring and ball detent interlock like almost every other pump shot gun. Any other pump shotgun that uses a magazine cap would have fallen apart too if the cap was missing.
Honestly, you guys are the only guntuber channel whose reviews I give any weight to. You tell people what it is when you actually buy a gun and use it for real. Keep up the good work.
Can definitely agree on the canik tp9 being a good gun in that price range. Had a coworker suggest trying it out and I have enjoyed every trip to the range so far. Have run over 300 rounds through it in just a couple of trips and the only hiccups have been my thumb wanting to hit the slide release at the end of a mag instead of the mag release.
I agree with your take on Keltec. The SUB2000 is a lot of fun to shoot but the reciprocating bolt grabs facial hair; huge design flaw. I also really like the Mossberg Maverick 88. I tricked mine out with a Mossberg 500 Breach Barrel and an aftermarket 6 Position Stock with Pistol Grip. I had to find a model specific Maverick 88 Tri-Railed Forend (for Flashlight) but that finished Momma's "Bird Gun" for Home Protection when I'm away.
The Walther PK380 when I purchased one 5 years ago was a total POS with multiple well known and documented issues that were never addressed by Walther. It was a Jam-O-Matic with approximately 130+/- malfunctions in the 200 rounds I attempted to put through it. I traded it at a loss no more than 4 weeks after purchase.
There is a guide online on step-by-step how to fix them, a few hours of careful work makes them perfectly reliable and I like them a lot once that is done. Sadly there is very little out there that shoots and fits in the hand so well for my mom
You can definitely go economy and not be undergunned. I paid $425 for my Sig sp2022 (.40/357 sig) and $200 for my Maverick 88. I dont feel outgunned at all.
I've had my Mossberg 500A for 20 years, have put thousands of rounds through it, and have never had the slightest problem. I bought it in 2002 for $200, you can still get it for not much more than that now. I won't say it's the greatest shotgun ever but it's always worked for what I needed.
It's good to learn about bad guns as well as the good ones. And with some good laughs along the way, too. Love your vids. Congrats on your "Best Gun Reviewer" award. Lookin forward to your next video, whatever it is.
I have the PT22 and KSG 12 both function fine so far. KSG needs brutal treatment of the pump action. I do like your opinions and keep these reviews coming.
My PT22 had a broken transfer bar out of the box. Snapped clean in half. You might want to keep an eye on that. I returned it and after going to every shop in town looking for a decent .22, I settled on a beat-up Rough Rider. Bought a magnum cylinder for it last year. The cylinder lock spring eventually broke, but it was easy to source and replace. That transfer bar, not so much. That's a factory trip.
The fact that hi point gets clowned on more than keltech is crazy. One looks like crap but goes bang when the trigger is pulled. And the other looks amazing but never shoots.
For the record, George Zimmerman used a compact Kel Tec 9x19mm with a S&T 115gr JHP load in the 2012 Trevon Martin case. The round GZ fired 💥 was stuck in the firearm(spent case). Zimmerman never cleared the jam or reloaded a spare 9mm magazine. Not a good look for Kel Tecs. I'm in Florida ☀️. At the time, 2012 I suspected GZ had a Glock 19 or a XD compact & fired by mistake, ND.
Tbh. The ukrainian volunteers and reserves are being issues Keltechs because of lack of other availability. Some are being issued Mosin nagants. I'd take the keltech over that lol
I really like my KS7. After the initial break in period, it’s been completely reliable. Short stroking it however is an issue and you can feel the action isn’t polished.
exactly, you have to be a bit rough with the action., also the feeding mechanism only works of the gun is right side up as its mainly defendant on gravity and the sharp shoving of the pump action-so easy fix is clock clack that sucker hard and firm and quit having it upside down.
I had seen so many mixed reviews of the ks7. Some people say it's one of the best shotguns they have and some say it's a piece of shit. I want one and might just breakdown and get it
I had to add a muzzle breach, cheek pad, and some grip to it but now i love it. Use to have too much recoil and there is a learning curve to using it but its fun.
@@lifestereotype7320 That was my problem. The indoor range that I use only lets you shoot slugs out of a shotgun. And those slugs just killed my shoulder.
For the ATI AR15 I would check out the "low pro" gas block and make sure its lined up with the gas port on the barrel or that its drilled out properly OR check the ejector & extractor on the bolt.
Well I have a KSG(14+1/Gen 2) that I have had for several(2014) years I have run 3 or 4 hundred rounds thru my KSG and it is broken in and have learned it cycles better with high brass. So now I only shot high brass slugs and it is very reliable. Thanks
Thank you for videos like this. I have a few gun magazine subscriptions and the thing that irks me the most is the fact they never give a gun a bad review, even when they fail during their tests.
I've found that the Taurus pt22 runs just fine with cci ammo. Anything else and it's sketchy. But that's not uncommon for .22 semi-autos, they are much more ammo sensitive than other semi-autos. My wife loves hers and she can shoot it very effectively.
To each their own but I absolutely love my Kel Tec KSG and haven’t had any issues with their later models that corrected earlier issues at 14+1 (2.75 she’ll) and 24+ 1 with mini shells if you have to worry about reloading then you need something much more than a shotgun if that doesn’t get the job done….He’s called Jesus 👀
My Taurus PT 22 Poly has functioned great, very accurate as well. I enjoy the flip up barrel on it. I know Taurus has some QC issues but i probably just got a good one
@@hsaw2658 Oh yeah, no doubt. The KSG isn't in the same durability class as the Mossberg's, especially the 500 or 590's...but having fourteen 12GA rounds ready to go? Priceless!
It's crazy I have an Omni hybrid in 300 blackout, and I've tried it out with an frt and M4 BCG and had fantastic luck with it, even with cheap ammo and lots of high rates of fire.
I had one too , the early ones had a hybrid lower and mine ran 100%.The newer ATI OmniMaxx has both upper and lower made of polymer and steel inserts . I am guessing the one on this video is an ATI Omni Maxx , Thank you Chris for including this AR on your list 💯
I have an ATI Omni Maxx Hybrid and have had it for a few years and it has never malfunctioned. through roughly 2000 rounds of mostly steel. I changed out the lower only because 2 different drop in triggers didn't like the polymer lower. I Know that the Outlaw says there will always be good ones from any manufacturer. Im just glad I got one of those "good ones".
The exception I’d say is the sub2000. It’s decent out of the box but once you do the MCarbo upgrade kit, it becomes a beast of a gun. The problem is that people are realizing it so it’s not a cheap pack gun anymore. They’re going for $600-$700 now which is insane.
@@Whereawarewolf Thank you for this comment because all the negative killtec comments was making me unsure of my sub 2000 and I also have the M carbo upgrades
@@MrBigChops the Keltec sub2k is a great gun and it’s perfect for many different purposes theirs really not many options like that and it’s reliable and has decent accuracy
@@ryanbounds22 • Yea I’ve used mine as a trunk gun for a couple years. Not sure of all the legalities due to it being a rifle.. so I’ve recently thought about selling it for an AR-9 now that I turned 21 and have my CCW
You nailed that ATI. When covid hit, I couldn't get any ARs under 800 bucks. I took a chance on that pos. The spring was bent in the trigger. Would shoot 556 but not 223. Wouldnt feed 223 at all. Fixed the spring in the trigger. It shot both again. BUT I know other had issues with the hammer snapping. Trigger assembly is a plastic. The buffer was known to snap the plastic receiver. The spring would fail. I dint keel it long enough to get that experience. Someone who was willing to change out all the needed parts bought it. I ook the M and P sport 2. It was a toss up on that and the ruger you reviewed
There are a few thing people should know about the ATI Omni Hybrid. It is absolute crap and the company knows it. The company addressed the jamming issues by saying they need to modify some parts with a dremel. The only shining point for the reciever is you can run .410 guage rounds through the receiver with the right magazine and upper.
If you like the concept of the Taurus pt-22 find an good condition beretta tomcat or jet fire. Usually when you find them they have been lightly used and they work excellent.
A lot of folks have the problem of cheaping out instead of saving up to buy a quality weapon.Same with ammunition buying cheap reloads then crying when they do not function.
To be fair I’ve never seen any modern production ammo that straight up didn’t work. even the cheapest, steel case junk will detonate. granted I do have that problem with some of my Old surplus guns bc sometimes surplus junk is all that’s available
I mention to friends "Pay a little more cash on a weapon and it will last." Not that there aren't budget guns that are not semi-decent, but rather than have a question mark in your head, pick up something that has proved itself over time. Review and research what several people think, in person and online. That will help on heartache and firearm issues in the future.
Really. Could u be more specific about the Springfield,1911's? I ask because I've got my eyes on a range officer elite 45 acp. If u know whats bad about them I'd love to hear what. Perhaps I'll wait on a 1911 4 now.
@Shawn McConnell . Thanks 4 that information. That said I believe I’ll pass for a different manufactured 1911. 1911’s are the one handgun types I’ll like to grow in my collection especially in the old 45acp. I know lots of people now days likes to rag on the 45 because it’s fat & slow & doesn’t have as good expansion as the preferred 9mm’s & or other rounds but it’s a round that has my respect.
Sorry to hear your experience with the PT-22, I picked one up the for my wife, never experienced any of the issues you mentioned. Lost track of how many rounds that we've put through it. Sometimes I'll take it when I go shooting & it'll run anything I put through it.
When I went to a gun store a while back I was looking to purchase my first shotgun, the guy thought I was new to guns and literally tried to sell me a KelTec KS7, I honestly didn't know anything about it but I'm not into bullpup shotguns, I'm glad I rejected it then went somewhere else and got me a Winchester Super X Pump 12 (served me very well and Remington/Mossberg fanboys have dissed me for it lol)
@@evanderboynton3057 I have an older Winchester defender 1300. It's never once jammed, misfired, misfed, or otherwise had a malfunction. I'm 37, got it when I was 16. Put well over 20k rounds through it...never cleaned it once....hahahaha
I’m embarrassed to say I’ve had a Taurus PT22 in my safe for 20 years. I have only taken it to the range 2-3 times and review was spot on! Completely unreliable!!
I bought mine 30 years ago, it was nice to look at, that's about it! My home was burglarized about 15 years ago, and they stole that particular firearm.... It won't be missed.
The PT22 was my wife's first gun and it never failed to fire anything she put through it, even cheap bulk ammo. She later upgraded to a higher caliber revolver when she was ready for some recoil. Maybe it's a quality control issue with Taurus. You and the guy in the video had issues but my wife had none.
I must have gotten super lucky with my Omni AR because I have had no issues with it. That being said, your input definitely helps with my decision to keep looking for better upper receivers for it or to upgrade to a higher level AR completely.
I love my PT22. Only time it failed to function correctly, I was using subsonic rounds. Lesson learned. It is the perfect fishing gun and mine has blasted a lot of snakes. I’ve also shot a lot of ducks with my Maverick 88.
I would add the Remington R51. I bought it for the Perdersen device in it. The pistol was an absolute bear to field strip for cleaning and maintenance.
I put mine (Gen 2) back together 2-3 times and still can’t get it to fire a full mag. I think four consecutive shots was the most. I can’t bring myself to throw away any gun, but if I had to, it would be that one.
As a KSG owner, I have not had any problems with mine. I’ve had issues with it double feeding used snap caps but not live ammo. I think part of the aluminum snap caps broke off at the rim and double feed, but with snap caps, I don’t care. But also I want to clear up incase it was mistaken. No.3 wasn’t the KSG. It was the KS7. The single magazine tube instead of the double. Although I like Keltec, even I have heard the KS7 has issues and steered clear of it. But I’ve heard little or not deal breaking complaints about the KSG. Small issues here and there.
I have a ksg and I love it. I have alot of rounds through it and I can honestly say it is my favorite shotgun I have ever shot. That being said there is a learning curve with it because it is so different.
Years ago I purchased a diamondback DB380 because I loved the ergomonics. In the almost two years I owned it it got sent back to the factory 3 times. I couldn't even get it through a break-in of 200 rounds before it had problems. From what I've read the first gens had significant issues and apparently they've ironed them out, Still can't bring myself to get another one.
Fully agree on the KS7. Have the KSG, and was so enamored with the idea of the KS7, but so sad as to the outcome. The top rail is less of a cheek weld and more of an eye socket weld. The doubles feeds supposedly get better as it wears in, but I never used it that much. Still trying to sell it.
I'm with you. I bought the NZ version of the KS7 (slightly longer barrel to meet minimum length and pinned to 5+1). It was not fun to shoot and almost impossible to get a cheek weld while wearing ear pro. Sold it at a loss and I don't miss it.
@@chrisp.2544 Ouch, the NZ version I found online is going for $1500 usd (like $2,200 nzd). I only paid $450 for mine, which was the reason I went for it before it was really known and reviewed. That sounds painful bro.
@@juangonzalez9848 We get to pay premium prices for our toys down here. You've got to be dedicated to participate. Paid like NZ$2600 for my last toy, a Jard J72 in .17 WSM.
@@ThePikmin18 Well I did get an earlier one, that said, double feeds should not be a thing. Yet that thing did them fairly consistently. Also, the little hook that holds the shells is sharp as hell, literally gouges the shells. I love my KSG, has never done me wrong, this thing however most definitely has.
Great job on this list. It would be cool if you did one of these "NEVER BUY" gun videos once or twice a year. Of course, it will depend on how many crappy firearms you come across........ or not. Stay safe. 👍
Reminds me of my first pump shotgun (first gun ever, actually), a Remington of some sort. It. Would. Not. Cycle. Every time I fired, it would jam. After I finally fought it hard enough to move the pump back, I had to push the spent shell out of the barrel with a stick. It put me off guns for years.
I had the same issue with my 870, I found that the Winchester target shells I was using were expanding too much in the chamber because of the too-flexible metal they use for the shell base. Every brass shell I've run in it works fine 🤷♂️
I bought myself a Mossberg Maverick 88 last Thanksgiving and I've loved it so far. I haven't had a single jam and it cycles great. It was $240 at sportsman's warehouse at the time Also, I have one of the worst pistols of all time. It's the Lorcin l380. It jams almost every way it can, but it only cost me $90 to buy it from my dad with a box of ammo
I briefly owned a Taurus PT22 Ply. It’s a bit thick for pocket carry but mine ran flawlessly although some don’t. The Ruger LCP 2 22lr is a better option because it’s single action(but with a manual safety) IF you can get one that runs right after the break in period. Small 22lr pistols can be hit or miss but they penetrate okay with Federal Punch and CCI Velocitor(which is a round that will beat up your gun a bit). It’s unfortunate that 25 acp ammo is so expensive because it’s more reliable all around although it’s badly in need of a bump up in power, a slightly longer case and a new name are in order.
Definitely do more videos like this! My gun buying dollars are few and precious. I can't even partially write a lemon off on my taxes. Every gun you impartially review and show to be a poorly working or even non working POS saves a viewer from making a costly mistake, or possibly saves their lives if it was a gun they would have bought to defend their home and family. I am fortunate, I have been collecting guns for over 55 years. There is no NEED I have to find a gun to fill. Now I only NEED to buy guns that interest me. But there are many of your viewers that are younger than I, maybe just starting a family and ho est reviews like this can help them avoid costly, possibly even dangerous purchases.
Absolutely love this topic!!! I always do my research on everything I buy but especially my guns! It’s great to see a DO NOT BUY list!!! Keep em coming!
Id add the only Ruger ive ever regreted buying- The EC9S. 1st trip to repair- Slide and trigger locked up before 100 rounds. 2nd trip to repair- 1st magazine of Federal FMJ 115g FTF, FTE, Stovepipes. 2nd magazine of Sig JHP 124g same thing. 3rd magazine Federal 70g same thing. 3rd trip to repair- Ran 2 magazines and started FTEs again. Cant bring myself to trade it in because someone will depend on it and not survive. I wanted to love it but we cant even be friends.
Another honorable mention are certain variants of the M1 Carbine such as those made by Universal, I had a friend who fired one and it fell apart into a thousand pieces.
Kel Tec legit made a 223 rifle called the SU 16 that took “ar mags” but their 10 round magazine had feed lips while an AR does not. Needless to say it was discontinued. Like how? How is that basic engineering not tested?
@@Sig_P229, I remember when they released SU-16C. I thought it was cool and a great backpacking gun. Then I shot one. It felt like it was made by Mattel. It jammed constantly. It is one of the worst rifles I ever shot. I am so glad I never spent my money on one. Like I said, Keltec has great ideas, just not great follow-through.
I have a Sub 2000 Gen 1 and KSG that have no problems yet… had both for over 2 years but there not my first choice for self-defense mostly just fun range toys
Agree on the Remington RP9, WOW! That gun constantly got jammed; had to send it back to Remington and they kind of fixed, but I sold it as soon as I could.
My favorite go to's are my Ruger SR9 because it feels like a full size but small enough to be considered compact and good for conceal carry. The other is my Ruger PC Carbine as I enjoy the idea of being able to use the same mag type as my SR9. My other is my Ruger AR556 attached with a reflex dot sight and angled foregrip. All 3 of them, I feel, are very well balanced and versatile.
You've gotta research every model before you buy. The Remington Rp 9 is notoriously bad but the Remington R1 is a pretty good pistol! Same manufacturer very different quality.
I wouldn’t buy anything Keltec or Taurus. I learned along time ago you get what you pay for. 2nd and 3rd tear guns are a waist of time and money. Same thing goes for cheap optics. Save a little longer and buy high quality arms and accessories and avoid the headache’s.
Can you imagine how many first time gun users had an absolutely horrific experience with.a gun and assumed that all of them were that crappy and a rip off no matter how low the price? First gun I ever bought for myself I was 13 and rode my bike to the hardware store and paid 50 bucks for a Marlin 22 and a few more bucks for a bucket of ammo. The notion of that is actually pretty funny now. 5 kids on Redline BMX bikes stopping in to buy guns and ammo. It worked pretty good then and actually still works. Growing up you figure there are smart people in a board room that think through decisions, even more so when you're dealing with something that shoots a small very fast object that can kill people. However, as I got older and saw seemingly smart people make horrible decisions about just about anything you can think of, I came to the conclusion that more often than not accountants and engineers are more in charge than the end user every could be. Accountants beat the drum of cheaper cheaper cheaper and engineers beat the drum of the weirder and less fun or useful something is the better it must be. We all know that sales guys are just annoying prostitutes that just bother you so much that you'll buy it just to shut them up. Along the way up and down the geek chain it is way more often than not the end user that suffers.
Personally I like the Chiappa Rhino and would like to own one some day. All your comments are spot on. One additional important difference is, if you have a round that doesn't go off you just fire again and go to the next round. No having to clear a jam or reracking a slide.
Hey Chris, how about a “Buy this instead of this” list? Comparable clones that functions just as well if not better than the OG.
I second that! Great idea
Good idea!
Hell yeah! Post this on his latest vids (comments on old vids tend to get drowned out)
This would be entertaining.
Agreed, I would enjoy watching that content. Also, congrats on the Gundie win!
As someone with the name Remington, I really wish they'd quit ruining my name and actually make decent firearms again
Have you considered suing for defamation?
Yes I have the 1100 magnum 12 gauge and it is 42 years old and functions like the day I bought it. I did have the gas rings replaced before putting it up.
Just glad ruger got ahold of marlin. I know ruger doesn't make top tier stuff, but at least it all functions properly. Lot of the remington marlins where trash.
Tangy Diesel Tge old stuff marlin and Remington made were top notch for the money. I didn’t want to pay for a browning shotgun a5 wish I had one but my Remington will never be for sale . I did get rid of my marlin . Have grandpa’s old Winchester I promise to my nephew when I go.
@@paulatudor691 older remington rifles and shotguns will last a lifetime or two. But seemed most of their stuff went downhill a decade or two ago.
My brother also has an 1100 that's great, as well as his bolt action rifle. However, my bolt action (can't remember the number) I got about 10 years ago is really poor, and a friend who got a new shotgun about 5 years ago was really disappointed in its quality. Made my cheep mossberg look like the better buy.
"The Colt Detective special has been working for 100 years and they'll work for 100 more, the Taurus PT. 22 hasn't worked for 10 minutes" That's one hell of a quote
There's also the new detective specials, the RIA M206, for a reasonable 220$
Yeah, I like that.
in 15 years my colt Detective Special will have its hundreth birthday. still runs like a champ and carries comfortably. his backup, the DSII stainless in my pocket, is as old as i am and is just as fun and reliable.
Apples and oranges though.
I bought a new PT 22. Couldn't get off more than a few shots without jams. And it hit 6 inches to the left at 25 feet! Sent it back to Taurus and they said it was unfixable, so they let me pick a different gun in the same price range. Taurus customer service was excellent, but the PT 22 is just a terrible gun.
I was working at a gun shop and range when the Remington RP9 came out. I saw some spectacular malfunctions and complete failures while I was there. One guy test fired it and it actually turned the cartridge 180° out of the magazine and tried to chamber it backwards. I have no idea how that happened, but I saw it with my own eyes.
9:16 makes it sound believable
That's kind of impressive.
Perhaps my friend and I obtained the only 2 functional RP9s. And we bought them cheap (~$200 ea IIRC). No hiccups at all. I think mine has 200-250 rounds downrange. I've had more problems trying to get an HK VP9 to run reliably.
When you fuck up so bad that it's actually astounding
@@craigmetallaw thank you for saying this first lol
Personally, I've had no issues with my Kel-Tec KS7. Granted it's fairly new and I've only had a few outings with it, but so far so good. I've ran birdshot, buckshot and slugs through it, no problem so far. It always gets a lot of attention when I break it out at the range and it shreds the hell out of everything in front of it. No complaints at the moment.
That’s the thing with qc issues, it’s like buying American cars in the 1970s. Most are alright but you could get a lemon
Funny, I forgot I posted this.
Well update.
I sold my Kel-Tec b/c it started having jamming issues. It would fire then the shell would lodge in the tube and I'd have to take it apart. At first I gave it the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I was short stroking but no, after the 4th or 5th jam, I cleaned it up, took it to the gun show and sold it off.
Good news is I came out pretty decent. Only slightly less than what I paid and was able to put that towards my Mossberg 930 Tactical SPX semi auto.
Had it cerekoted up like my state's (SC) flag. It's a good weapon.
Marion's Machina.
Mine is flawless. I love it.
Thousands of rounds of all types, no issues. Sometimes it really is just the operator.
And sometimes a gun is working fine until it's not. It's not like all of a sudden I just forgot how to operate the firearm, guy.
The first gun I ever bought was a used Remington 870 Wingmaster when I was 18 years old for $180. I am 49 now and still use it. It's a fantastic gun.
The old Remington 870's were great guns. I bought mine at Wal-Mart during the Bush Era for under $200. Would've kept it if I knew how terrible the new ones were going to be.
Atleast my Mossbergs still work.
Yep. If your Remington 870 is old, it's a reliable tank that always works. I'm 52, got my 870 when I was 15, just gets better with age. The 870 that is
Agree! It was my first gun as well
You're lucky. I got a left hand new 12ga 870 Express 28". $350.00 2015. I did not like it. Big Green was not making high quality shotguns. The wood was cheap, the recoil with 00 12ga buck was 😖. If the new Remington mgmt cares they need to put $$$ in the 🏭 , staff training.
Agreed on the 870....I bought a used police trade in from the 1988.... still works like new! And the classic wood and steel combo never goes out of style
Cheers to the gun community for voting you top dog reviewer. You bring the perfect mix of being highly informed, highly skilled and yet completely down to earth and just "one of the guys". I don't buy without checking you first as I know it won't be an advertisement but rather a considered honest opinion from an informed source.
Thanks Outlaw, and say hi to the Mrs.
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I agree, awesome reviews. He turned me on to Canik, I absolutely love my TP9SC.
Alright bro, chill. He's married.
And yet a lot of people are calling cap on his ksg7 assessment. So not really great as far as impartial reviewing goes.
Dude couldn't even put the keltec back together correctly. He forgot to put the barrel nut back on but talks crap about the gun lmao. What atard
There are so many good guns its almost tough to go wrong. Its always good to hear what to AVOID rather than what's good.
The only problem I had with my KS7 is the recoil. It's lightweight so it kicks. It was tricky to load in the beginning, but after practicing, rounds just slide right in now. Other than that, no problems.
I have one and i loved
I was looking at buying one, studied many reviews, which were all good. Maybe you got a lemon, I HOPE
I love my KS7…..ran 00 buckshot right out of the box with not one single issue. Would not give it up for anything. It a fun gun to shoot and yes, it’s my bedside gun along with my Glock 20. Took the carry handle off and installed a Picatinny rail, pop-up Magpul sights, Missouri recoil butt pad and offset rail mounted flashlight. Maybe I’m the lucky one……but my KS7 is reliable 😊
Love mine..and my ATI 5.56, never had a malfunction
KS7 is a great gun. Idk why this guy is trashing it.
I actually love my KS-7. as far as falling apart you may have gotten one that had a defect as i have put quite a few more rounds through mine than went through yours and it's still holding strong. Secondly i noticed you were using low brass shells, the KS-7 is designed for best performance with 2 3/4 inch high brass shells. The lips on the low brass shells don't have enough meat to be consistently picked up or held in place, this is what causes the feed issue. I wouldn't count the KS-7 out totally just yet.
Yeah it sounds like he had a defective product and didnt give it a fair shot. Mine has been rock solid, although the first time I shot slugs out of it the recoil surprised me lol. I also like my sub 2000.
@@Matty_Ice_Reviews yeah mine bruised my hand, shoulder and cheek, despite being properly shoulderd and held lol
Have one love it recoil not that bad have shot slug and 00 buck and no issues
Have one and i loved
Looking at picking one up. Wondering, if HIS might've needed to be cleaned/oiled in preparation. Perhaps re-assembled, missing a closure point!? 🤔
Not seeing where he had problems, specifically. Just a general... dislike/fell apart video.
Yes! Please more videos like this. You do great work reviewing weapons show the best for the money. It is just as important to show those that we should stay away from at all costs. Thanks again for your good work.
Check his playlist he does best for 300 400 and 500 I think. Might be wrong about one but they are worth a watch 👌
100% yes on more videos like these... Times ain't the greatest with everything that's been going on the last couple of years and money is harder to come by not to mention prices are way up so it sucks much more when you spend your hard earned money on a POS or you might actually need that gun for something other then shooting steel and paper. Luckily most guns coming out tend to work but when one doesn't we need the Guntubers to call it out for what it is. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
The KS7 I have is great and has never malfunctioned except for user error. My only complaint is that it's easy to short stroke but once I broke the gun in I haven't had any issues.
Yeah idk what this dudes problem was. Maybe there was a bad batch or something. Mine has been flawless
Same here, I bet I have close to 1000 rounds through mine and have never had a feeding issue. He must have got one from a batch that the night shift at kel-tec made lol.
@@ThePikmin18 the problem with KelTec isn’t that they can’t make a good gun. It’s that you never know if your going to get a pos or and outstanding firearm. It’s 50/50 every time. I’ve owned several and am disappointed 2 out of 3 times. My experience the longer the gun has been out the better your luck gets.
Do not know about the ksg7, but i use a original ksg with the double mag as my main tracking shotgun and have killed over 50 deer with it and zero problems. Accuracy to 70+ yds and 7/8 oz remington slugger slugs is great.
Same here, not a big shotgun guy in general, but I got a used KS7 and have about 750-ish rounds through it, all kinds of random loads from birdshot to slugs, and never a single malfunction. It's been a great gun for me, I know it'll go bang every single time, and will feed and fire everything I load it with.
Love my KS7. It’s for home defense not for competition. Never had any issues with it other than recoil.
I agree with your comments on the Taurus PT22. I had one and ended up "disassembling" it with a hatchet, and replacing it with a Beretta Bobcat. No problems with the Baretta. As for the KelTec KS7, I do own one of them and it runs fine for me. Even works with 'Minishells". Especially like the fiber optic sight. Maybe you got a bad one. One note: you can't baby the action.
Agreed, I’ve had my KS7 for over a year and I’ve never had a jam. I’ve used every type of shell I could buy. Besides dragons breath ha. But it cycles and works fine. I hate he got a bad one.
I also feel like he got a bad KS7. Mine has run perfectly with whatever I've thrown into it.
I too have a kS7, love it, put 100s of shells through and it works great
Any of you guys have the KSG? I'm considering that, but don't know how well they actually function 😅
@@chrisfordyce8420 I do not, buuut I would recommend the DP12 in its place. It holds around the same ammo but it’s a double barrel pump action. So instead of re-chambering after every trigger pull you now pull the trigger twice then re-chamber.
Can’t imagine how much money you save people if they take the time to find these videos. Thanks for the great work.
Yeah I was in denial about the ks7 because I’m biased towards Keltec But yeah that shotgun is fucking trash even nutn fancy reviewed the shotgun and was not a fan to say the least
@@ArmedChicano While I've found it to be very discomforting to shoot, unreliable it has not been. My work has had one in for some time on a rental wall and we've documented at least 400 shells through it. All malfunctions I've seen have been operator induced with short stroking. Which, was a common issue with the KSG and other bullpup shotguns typically as people just don't seem to be used to them.
I won't deny either person's experience but I honestly don't believe they are as bad as either reviewed them to be. I don't think it's super amazing either for that matter.
Killin' it bro. Becoming one of the best guntube channels. Maybe the best combination of entertainment and consumer advice online.
Never buy a gun when the seller is pointing it directly at you.
I was too dumb to realize I was being robbed at the time...
In my Navy days I had a Remington 1911. It was my personal weapon for 3 years. Never jammed, never misfired, and was extremely accurate. Very disappointed to hear that the company has sunk so low.
Kinda like Kimber. It really depends on the year of manufacture, from what I've seen.
I have a fair amount of experience with the Kel Tec KS7. You are both right and wrong about it. When I bought mine it suffered from light primer strikes right out of the box so I had to send it back. Kel Tec fix the problem and returned the shotgun to me in less than a week. And they paid for the shipping. So the customer service was good. After that it has functioned quite well. And is one of the few shotguns that will run both mini shells, standard length shells and 3 inch magnum shells. In that regard it is very versatile. The only other problem I have had is that a few of the screws holding the pump grip loosened up. I put it back together with some blue Loctite and have had no loosening since. TheKS7 is not a shotgun that likes to be gently pumped. I find the most reliability when really cycling hard. Gentle cycling tends to cause problems. I would never consider the KS7 anything other than a fun range toy, but for that purpose I have found it to be pretty good. Definitely worth what I paid for it.
You two, Paul and Ian are by far and away my favorite content creators on YT. Different styles, different content, but the same effort and passion to put forth quality and entertaining videos. Keep up the great work Mr. and Mrs. Outlaw!
The Maverick 88 can still be had for 220-250$ brand new depending on configuration. I can't comprehend why people buy some of the other junk on the market to save less than 50 bucks.
Man I love my maverick 88
I ask myself this question every day. I carry an fn509 compact and love it, but my brother went with a Taurus GX4 because “I don’t want to spend more than like $400 for a pistol” when a used gen 4 Glock 19 was $450…
I guccied my mav88 just because and it was a mistake lol. Still good though
The Maverick 88 was my first shotty and I still own it and will never sell it. That thing is a workhorse.
@@romualdoparra7 that's a funny way to say you like men .
This is what Joe Blow would get off the shelf, so thanks to you for 'NOT' having the mfg's sending you their worked over with a fine tooth comb polished and primped guns for you to gush over. Honest Outlaw keepin' it real.
I subscribed as soon as you mentioned helping out homeless in Iowa. Never seen an iowan gun youtuber before therefor you get one.
I've been tempted to pick up the RP9 a few times. They were selling for $190 nib in my area. "Still not worth 190" was a sad statement from the staff. One of them bought 10 with an employee discount for laughs but I never got a full update on how many worked.
190 is so cheap. I just picked up a TP9SF Elite for 350. Almost double but so worth it.
I can attest to the ATI Omni AR. I was at the range a few weeks ago, and a fellow had multiple issues with it. I tried some basic troubleshooting, but the damn thing just wouldn't cycle properly.
Budget ar Smith sport 2. Works great
Was able to dump mine for what I paid for it, thank GOD
Well that must've been a bad one because I got 30,000 rds through mine
😂 Okay I'm full of $hit, I just wanted to give you a laugh
I agree 100%. ATI is trash. I can't tell you how many times I had to mortar this piece of junk! Thank God I sold it for what I paid for it and never looked back
@@autowhisperer2511 Probably got 2K rounds through my omni. Had a few failure to feeds. Maybe I am lucky.
Man, I spent $180 new on my Maverick 88 with both the security and field barrels in 2019. I couldn’t imagine opting for anything else for the price.
Maverick 88 the best budget shotgun on the market. Owned one for YEARS never had one problem out of her.
I’m curious, how many rounds do you have through your 88?
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 I've had mine for about 15 years and has no less than a few thousand rounds through it. It eats everything I feed it. We'd take it camping and just abuse the hell out of it putting a lot of rounds down range. Best 4200 ish gun I ever bought.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 A good solid # around 700
@@memyself898 nice, I had always heard good things about them, but had purchased used old 870’s and 500’s instead and cleaned them up/refinished them and never given them a shot.
Thanks for the info 🇺🇸!
@@nathanstrickland6508 thanks!
That KSG image is such a click-bait😒
😱😱😱oooohhh noooo
Honestly that’s why I clicked on this particular one. I watch him normally and love it. But when I seen that pic I was like what? KSG is amazing. Glad it was click bait lol
Well its probably not a ksg but the ks7 which he does review in the video.... soo makes sense and is helpful so one can avoid the ks7
You didn't watch the full video, did you? It's the KS7 and it is reviewed, it's just the timestamp missing.
Not a KSG
My biggest takeaway from this video is that these are some GREAT single-shot firearms that enhance and significantly refine a shooter's ability to clear malfunctions in a practical manner.
Please have more content like this. Being a retiree I have a limited budget to enjoy my gun habit and being for warned about "clunkers" and "boat anchors" I can spend my money more wisely. I trust your reviews. Keep up the good work.
I had a KSG for several years maybe 500 or 600 rounds through it, aside from ergonomics mechanically it never gave me issues. If I had to add one the worst gun I ever owned was a sig mosquito. I'm not sure if they ever got those issues corrected I've polished ramps changed mags change mag springs change recoil springs lubed it cleaned it a few thousand rounds through it never got it to run correctly. Took it to a gunsmith and back to the store I bought it at to have their gunsmith look at it I did all the stuff they asked me to do they ran the best with CCI but at least every other magazine I had double feeds failures to eject and so on. Bought a Ruger SR22 and never had an issue. I just wanted something cheap ,fun to shoot the last time we had an ammo shortage.
I will say I own several Kimber 1911s although I see tons of videos of guys having issues I have yet to have one so I understand that one may work for somebody very well and one may not work for someone else at all.
Love the channel because of you I finally got my first CZ absolutely fantastic gun.
I bought a GSG firefly last summer & it's been working great for me. Idk if they're doing anything different than Sig but whatever they're doing, it's working. I shoot it almost every day. Getting ready to go out back & shoot it right now actually 🤣 I'm sure that I've at least put over 3000 rds through it so far. Federal bulk, Rem bulk, even Win White Box "Western" bulk (which doesn't run worth a crap in any of my other semi 22s). Its been a decent yet inexpensive plinker. Cheap polymer, cheap pot metal slide... but it works. Fairly accurate too.
I remember my dad bought one for me when i was little and it couldnt get through a mag of Aguila at all. He was pissed and i was angry they put the Sig Sauer name on it. Considering his W.German P220 was quite the opposite.
@@thereindeertherabbitthebat592
Got one of those for dirt cheap from a guy that stated it was junk, gun was filthy. Cleaned up and yeah it actually not a bad little pistol especially for the price.
I have a cz99, it is a tank of a gun, very reliable!
@@stansmith4054 agree
here in Brazil we had most of the taurus weapons that basically only served as a paperweight, when they weren't firing bursts by themselves, and currently we have the IMBEL IA2 which is a "modernization of the FN FAL" (yes, our industry is late at this level), luckily you probably don't have most of that crap around
I like Taurus revolvers and the beretta 92 style semi automatic .
@@clawhammer704 The Taurus 92 copies were, for a time, better than the Beretta they copied. Or maybe it would be more appropriate to say the Berettas were worse? Whatever.
How do you feel about the Imbel? big fan of FALs.
America actually has strict quality controls on imported guns, and almost no quality controls on domestically made guns. For this reason, sometimes there will be a foreign gun company that makes mostly crap, but the gun they sell on the American market is gold standard. I think part of the reason Chinese products get such a bad wrap, rather it be guns, or any other product, is because a lot of trade regulations are laxed on their stuff, because of treaties, but that is just a personal hunch.
I'm so glad the guns we buy are made here, your own government, steals from your bank accounts. Goodluck out there.
I have a KS7, I shoot this weapon often, and keep the maintenance up every time. Yes it’s made with light weight cheap products!! But I have not had any issues at all. Not one… maybe 600 rounds has went through the barrel. Now I will say this, when training with my backup sig 365. I’m having issues with loading the KS7 when under fire. Mini shells I thought would be the answer with less loading. But grip was an issue as well when it came to the shells. But me the 2 3/4 inch shells works best when dealing under pressure. Loading took time as well, if not careful your foot could be an issue, even with the sling adjustment pulled tight, to help keep the mussel out 5 feet. But for close encounters, I’ll take the KS7 or the KSG any day. But only with proper training. Thanks for you video, good job.
I had a chance to work on an ati Omni hybrid a while back. Found a major issue in the upper receiver. The metal sleeve that the bolt carrier rides in had a few, rather large, protrusions on the transition point between the steel and polymer receiver. Knocked them down with a small file and it functions flawlessly now.
Why can't KelTec just be a gun design company and outsource the manufacturing to a company who knows how to actually manufacture a functioning firearm.
@Lurch7861 He is talking about a gun that literally fell apart while Chris was shooting it. Limp wrist, abuse, neglect had nothing to do with it. The gun legit fell apart. Kel-Tec guns do look good, so he is right about outsourcing the manufacturing
When I think of quality firearms, KelTec is not the list.
@@bobjames2312 The magazine cap isn't even on the weapon in the footage of it falling apart. There is also a gap between the barrel and receiver of about 3/8" which caused the double feed issue, because the weapon was never assembled properly after field stripping it. He was trying to fire a partially assembled weapon. This is no fault of the weapon. This is just operator error, or incompetence. I love this channel, but lets get serious here.I would love to see the unedited part where it was taken out of the box, or the reassembly he did after field stripping it. It's simply missing the magazine cap which has a spring and ball detent interlock like almost every other pump shot gun. Any other pump shotgun that uses a magazine cap would have fallen apart too if the cap was missing.
Inane question... and which Kel-Tec firearms have you owned/do you own now, buddy?
Yea notice how he specifically hates everything Keltec and OVERLY talks about how he doenst go loooking to hate them then proceeds to hate
Honest Outlaw is the only gun tuber willing to give his real review on what stuff works in the Market.
Garand Thumb. He also shoots anywhere from 5,000-10,000 rounds for his reviews
Honestly, you guys are the only guntuber channel whose reviews I give any weight to. You tell people what it is when you actually buy a gun and use it for real. Keep up the good work.
Can definitely agree on the canik tp9 being a good gun in that price range. Had a coworker suggest trying it out and I have enjoyed every trip to the range so far. Have run over 300 rounds through it in just a couple of trips and the only hiccups have been my thumb wanting to hit the slide release at the end of a mag instead of the mag release.
I agree with your take on Keltec. The SUB2000 is a lot of fun to shoot but the reciprocating bolt grabs facial hair; huge design flaw. I also really like the Mossberg Maverick 88. I tricked mine out with a Mossberg 500 Breach Barrel and an aftermarket 6 Position Stock with Pistol Grip. I had to find a model specific Maverick 88 Tri-Railed Forend (for Flashlight) but that finished Momma's "Bird Gun" for Home Protection when I'm away.
The Walther PK380 when I purchased one 5 years ago was a total POS with multiple well known and documented issues that were never addressed by Walther. It was a Jam-O-Matic with approximately 130+/- malfunctions in the 200 rounds I attempted to put through it. I traded it at a loss no more than 4 weeks after purchase.
There is a guide online on step-by-step how to fix them, a few hours of careful work makes them perfectly reliable and I like them a lot once that is done. Sadly there is very little out there that shoots and fits in the hand so well for my mom
You can definitely go economy and not be undergunned. I paid $425 for my Sig sp2022 (.40/357 sig) and $200 for my Maverick 88. I dont feel outgunned at all.
I've had my Mossberg 500A for 20 years, have put thousands of rounds through it, and have never had the slightest problem. I bought it in 2002 for $200, you can still get it for not much more than that now. I won't say it's the greatest shotgun ever but it's always worked for what I needed.
It's good to learn about bad guns as well as the good ones. And with some good laughs along the way, too. Love your vids. Congrats on your "Best Gun Reviewer" award. Lookin forward to your next video, whatever it is.
My ks7 is a beast! Love that thing! Hasn’t jammed yet and I use every possible size and type of shells on the market. Even the mini’s run flawless.
I always try to be careful on guns I buy I love the channel man keeps ppl informed of what’s trash and what’s better
I have the PT22 and KSG 12 both function fine so far. KSG needs brutal treatment of the pump action. I do like your opinions and keep these reviews coming.
My PT22 had a broken transfer bar out of the box. Snapped clean in half. You might want to keep an eye on that.
I returned it and after going to every shop in town looking for a decent .22, I settled on a beat-up Rough Rider. Bought a magnum cylinder for it last year. The cylinder lock spring eventually broke, but it was easy to source and replace. That transfer bar, not so much. That's a factory trip.
I have 2 pt .22s
First one I liked so we'll I special ordered one with a SS barrel for the medicine cabinet.
Both run great!
I've had the same experience with my KSG 12. It also just won't fire some shells, such as target loads, in my experience
The fact that hi point gets clowned on more than keltech is crazy. One looks like crap but goes bang when the trigger is pulled. And the other looks amazing but never shoots.
I wish they made a 10mm pistol.
Keltec makes some descent guns. Hi point pistols are functional but that’s all.
For the record, George Zimmerman used a compact Kel Tec 9x19mm with a S&T 115gr JHP load in the 2012 Trevon Martin case. The round GZ fired 💥 was stuck in the firearm(spent case). Zimmerman never cleared the jam or reloaded a spare 9mm magazine. Not a good look for Kel Tecs. I'm in Florida ☀️. At the time, 2012 I suspected GZ had a Glock 19 or a XD compact & fired by mistake, ND.
Tbh. The ukrainian volunteers and reserves are being issues Keltechs because of lack of other availability. Some are being issued Mosin nagants. I'd take the keltech over that lol
@@jacobjones4766 I would take a BATTLE TESTED Mosin in 7.62 × 54r over anything Kel-tec manufactures 6 days a week and twice on Sundays.
I really like my KS7. After the initial break in period, it’s been completely reliable. Short stroking it however is an issue and you can feel the action isn’t polished.
exactly, you have to be a bit rough with the action., also the feeding mechanism only works of the gun is right side up as its mainly defendant on gravity and the sharp shoving of the pump action-so easy fix is clock clack that sucker hard and firm and quit having it upside down.
I had seen so many mixed reviews of the ks7. Some people say it's one of the best shotguns they have and some say it's a piece of shit. I want one and might just breakdown and get it
love my ks7 too. used it to satisfy my shooting cravings with shells still being cheap and easy to stockpile. never had any type of hang ups with it.
I had to add a muzzle breach, cheek pad, and some grip to it but now i love it. Use to have too much recoil and there is a learning curve to using it but its fun.
@@lifestereotype7320 That was my problem. The indoor range that I use only lets you shoot slugs out of a shotgun. And those slugs just killed my shoulder.
For the ATI AR15 I would check out the "low pro" gas block and make sure its lined up with the gas port on the barrel or that its drilled out properly OR check the ejector & extractor on the bolt.
Well I have a KSG(14+1/Gen 2) that I have had for several(2014) years I have run 3 or 4 hundred rounds thru my KSG and it is broken in and have learned it cycles better with high brass. So now I only shot high brass slugs and it is very reliable. Thanks
Thank you for videos like this. I have a few gun magazine subscriptions and the thing that irks me the most is the fact they never give a gun a bad review, even when they fail during their tests.
I’ve never had one issue from my ksg or ks7 they’re actually my favorite pump shotgun’s I own
I've found that the Taurus pt22 runs just fine with cci ammo. Anything else and it's sketchy. But that's not uncommon for .22 semi-autos, they are much more ammo sensitive than other semi-autos. My wife loves hers and she can shoot it very effectively.
Funny, mine hates cci and only likes federal
To each their own but I absolutely love my Kel Tec KSG and haven’t had any issues with their later models that corrected earlier issues at 14+1 (2.75 she’ll) and 24+ 1 with mini shells if you have to worry about reloading then you need something much more than a shotgun if that doesn’t get the job done….He’s called Jesus 👀
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My Taurus PT 22 Poly has functioned great, very accurate as well. I enjoy the flip up barrel on it.
I know Taurus has some QC issues but i probably just got a good one
I own a ks7, i agree it's definitely not as good as my old mossberg 500. It is a fun range toy however, especially with mini shells. Great video 👍
Good to know. I've had my KSG for years, works great, was thinking about another model...glad I saw this.
I own one. Have not had these issues and only Kel Tec I have but they back the product pretty well.
@@MojoPup mine has run flawlessly so far, it just feels a lot less durable than a mossberg.
@@kebotrans i haven't had any issues yet either, it's a lot of fun to shoot.
@@hsaw2658 Oh yeah, no doubt. The KSG isn't in the same durability class as the Mossberg's, especially the 500 or 590's...but having fourteen 12GA rounds ready to go? Priceless!
It's crazy I have an Omni hybrid in 300 blackout, and I've tried it out with an frt and M4 BCG and had fantastic luck with it, even with cheap ammo and lots of high rates of fire.
I had one too , the early ones had a hybrid lower and mine ran 100%.The newer ATI OmniMaxx has both upper and lower made of polymer and steel inserts . I am guessing the one on this video is an ATI Omni Maxx , Thank you Chris for including this AR on your list 💯
I have an ATI Omni Maxx Hybrid and have had it for a few years and it has never malfunctioned. through roughly 2000 rounds of mostly steel. I changed out the lower only because 2 different drop in triggers didn't like the polymer lower. I Know that the Outlaw says there will always be good ones from any manufacturer. Im just glad I got one of those "good ones".
@@MrEriks1 That's true , there are the good the bad and ugly that come out of every Gun Factory 💯
I bought like 6 stripped lowers of the omni hybrid, lifetime warranty and i dont really use my 18in bbl 450 bushmaster for home defense
"Kel-Tec: You're not doing it wrong if no one knows what you're doing."
I admire their dedication to being weird.
Kel Tec, the United cutlery of the gun world. Neat designs, crap materials.
The exception I’d say is the sub2000. It’s decent out of the box but once you do the MCarbo upgrade kit, it becomes a beast of a gun. The problem is that people are realizing it so it’s not a cheap pack gun anymore. They’re going for $600-$700 now which is insane.
@@Whereawarewolf Thank you for this comment because all the negative killtec comments was making me unsure of my sub 2000 and I also have the M carbo upgrades
@@MrBigChops the Keltec sub2k is a great gun and it’s perfect for many different purposes theirs really not many options like that and it’s reliable and has decent accuracy
@@ryanbounds22 • Yea I’ve used mine as a trunk gun for a couple years. Not sure of all the legalities due to it being a rifle.. so I’ve recently thought about selling it for an AR-9 now that I turned 21 and have my CCW
You nailed that ATI. When covid hit, I couldn't get any ARs under 800 bucks. I took a chance on that pos. The spring was bent in the trigger. Would shoot 556 but not 223. Wouldnt feed 223 at all. Fixed the spring in the trigger. It shot both again. BUT I know other had issues with the hammer snapping. Trigger assembly is a plastic. The buffer was known to snap the plastic receiver. The spring would fail. I dint keel it long enough to get that experience. Someone who was willing to change out all the needed parts bought it. I ook the M and P sport 2. It was a toss up on that and the ruger you reviewed
There are a few thing people should know about the ATI Omni Hybrid. It is absolute crap and the company knows it. The company addressed the jamming issues by saying they need to modify some parts with a dremel. The only shining point for the reciever is you can run .410 guage rounds through the receiver with the right magazine and upper.
If you like the concept of the Taurus pt-22 find an good condition beretta tomcat or jet fire. Usually when you find them they have been lightly used and they work excellent.
Using a small hand gun and thick gloves 🧤 are not a good combination
A lot of folks have the problem of cheaping out instead of saving up to buy a quality weapon.Same with ammunition buying cheap reloads then crying when they do not function.
Yup a little research will save you money in the long run almost every time
To be fair I’ve never seen any modern production ammo that straight up didn’t work. even the cheapest, steel case junk will detonate. granted I do have that problem with some of my
Old surplus guns bc sometimes surplus junk is all that’s available
I mention to friends "Pay a little more cash on a weapon and it will last." Not that there aren't budget guns that are not semi-decent, but rather than have a question mark in your head, pick up something that has proved itself over time. Review and research what several people think, in person and online. That will help on heartache and firearm issues in the future.
@@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK I will say that the Mossbergs and AKs I own will eat everything, but I admit for defense for shotgun shells quality does rock.
@@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK I had 2 boxes of hornady 308 that fired 3-4 rounds out of both boxes. Tried in multiple rifles. No amount of restrikes helped.
Keep ‘em coming. I haven’t bought a firearm yet that I’ve had a bad experience with so any feedback on what NOT to buy helps
Really. Could u be more specific about the Springfield,1911's? I ask because I've got my eyes on a range officer elite 45 acp. If u know whats bad about them I'd love to hear what. Perhaps I'll wait on a 1911 4 now.
@Shawn McConnell . Thanks 4 that information. That said I believe I’ll pass for a different manufactured 1911. 1911’s are the one handgun types I’ll like to grow in my collection especially in the old 45acp. I know lots of people now days likes to rag on the 45 because it’s fat & slow & doesn’t have as good expansion as the preferred 9mm’s & or other rounds but it’s a round that has my respect.
Just bought a KS-7 and it runs flawlessly. Bought it for home defense as it is a 12 GA that is only 26.1 inches
Sorry to hear your experience with the PT-22, I picked one up the for my wife, never experienced any of the issues you mentioned. Lost track of how many rounds that we've put through it. Sometimes I'll take it when I go shooting & it'll run anything I put through it.
My wife and I had the same experience you did. It would fire literally any 22 ammo we put through it. It was her first handgun and never failed her.
When I went to a gun store a while back I was looking to purchase my first shotgun, the guy thought I was new to guns and literally tried to sell me a KelTec KS7, I honestly didn't know anything about it but I'm not into bullpup shotguns, I'm glad I rejected it then went somewhere else and got me a Winchester Super X Pump 12 (served me very well and Remington/Mossberg fanboys have dissed me for it lol)
My first shotty was the Maverick 88 and I love it to death. I’m glad you have a shotty that you love and treats you well!
Remington hasn't made a good gun in about 20 years.
That Winchester is a good shotgun. Very fast cycling
@@evanderboynton3057 I have an older Winchester defender 1300. It's never once jammed, misfired, misfed, or otherwise had a malfunction. I'm 37, got it when I was 16. Put well over 20k rounds through it...never cleaned it once....hahahaha
@@WeencieRants the new Remington 870s aren’t bad but they’re definitely not as good as the older ones
I’m embarrassed to say I’ve had a Taurus PT22 in my safe for 20 years. I have only taken it to the range 2-3 times and review was spot on! Completely unreliable!!
I bought mine 30 years ago, it was nice to look at, that's about it! My home was burglarized about 15 years ago, and they stole that particular firearm.... It won't be missed.
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I wish someone would take it, but ONLY that one! 🤪
The PT22 was my wife's first gun and it never failed to fire anything she put through it, even cheap bulk ammo. She later upgraded to a higher caliber revolver when she was ready for some recoil.
Maybe it's a quality control issue with Taurus. You and the guy in the video had issues but my wife had none.
The safe is probably the best place to keep it if you don't have a hatchet.
Always interested in guns to avoid or even guns that aren't worth their price tag.
I must have gotten super lucky with my Omni AR because I have had no issues with it. That being said, your input definitely helps with my decision to keep looking for better upper receivers for it or to upgrade to a higher level AR completely.
I love my PT22. Only time it failed to function correctly, I was using subsonic rounds. Lesson learned. It is the perfect fishing gun and mine has blasted a lot of snakes. I’ve also shot a lot of ducks with my Maverick 88.
I would add the Remington R51. I bought it for the Perdersen device in it. The pistol was an absolute bear to field strip for cleaning and maintenance.
I put mine (Gen 2) back together 2-3 times and still can’t get it to fire a full mag. I think four consecutive shots was the most. I can’t bring myself to throw away any gun, but if I had to, it would be that one.
@@deeayejay I traded mine for a used Glock 17
I only clicked this video bevause of the ksg in the thumbnail.
Excuse me sir but you seem to have misidentified the KS-7 for a KSG. Common mistake. I would know, as I have a KSG body pillow.
@@LegitMLG360noscoper yeah i didnt know the ks7 existed lol
KS7. I have a KSG and it is glorious.
I clicked cuz outlaws beard is dreamy!😍
How dare you lol
Congrats on the Gundie!
I've always wanted a KSG but can't bring myself to buy something that cheap.
Im considering the SW MP 12.
@@Ali-7676 the Smith & Wesson is actively worse. Just buy the KSG.
As a KSG owner, I have not had any problems with mine. I’ve had issues with it double feeding used snap caps but not live ammo. I think part of the aluminum snap caps broke off at the rim and double feed, but with snap caps, I don’t care.
But also I want to clear up incase it was mistaken. No.3 wasn’t the KSG. It was the KS7. The single magazine tube instead of the double. Although I like Keltec, even I have heard the KS7 has issues and steered clear of it. But I’ve heard little or not deal breaking complaints about the KSG. Small issues here and there.
I have a KSG and KSG 25, and haven't had any issues. Don't have the KS7 though. The KSG 25 throws slugs like a beast.
I have a ksg and I love it. I have alot of rounds through it and I can honestly say it is my favorite shotgun I have ever shot. That being said there is a learning curve with it because it is so different.
I have the Omni Black out 300 had it for a couple years now never had a problem about it
Years ago I purchased a diamondback DB380 because I loved the ergomonics. In the almost two years I owned it it got sent back to the factory 3 times. I couldn't even get it through a break-in of 200 rounds before it had problems. From what I've read the first gens had significant issues and apparently they've ironed them out, Still can't bring myself to get another one.
Fully agree on the KS7. Have the KSG, and was so enamored with the idea of the KS7, but so sad as to the outcome. The top rail is less of a cheek weld and more of an eye socket weld. The doubles feeds supposedly get better as it wears in, but I never used it that much. Still trying to sell it.
I'm with you. I bought the NZ version of the KS7 (slightly longer barrel to meet minimum length and pinned to 5+1). It was not fun to shoot and almost impossible to get a cheek weld while wearing ear pro. Sold it at a loss and I don't miss it.
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Ouch, the NZ version I found online is going for $1500 usd (like $2,200 nzd). I only paid $450 for mine, which was the reason I went for it before it was really known and reviewed. That sounds painful bro.
@@juangonzalez9848 We get to pay premium prices for our toys down here. You've got to be dedicated to participate. Paid like NZ$2600 for my last toy, a Jard J72 in .17 WSM.
You people just not know how to shoot a pump shotgun or got a bad batch. Bought mine last year. Hundreds of varying loads; not even one failure.
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Well I did get an earlier one, that said, double feeds should not be a thing. Yet that thing did them fairly consistently. Also, the little hook that holds the shells is sharp as hell, literally gouges the shells. I love my KSG, has never done me wrong, this thing however most definitely has.
Great job on this list. It would be cool if you did one of these "NEVER BUY" gun videos once or twice a year. Of course, it will depend on how many crappy firearms you come across........ or not. Stay safe. 👍
Reminds me of my first pump shotgun (first gun ever, actually), a Remington of some sort. It. Would. Not. Cycle. Every time I fired, it would jam. After I finally fought it hard enough to move the pump back, I had to push the spent shell out of the barrel with a stick. It put me off guns for years.
I had the same issue with my 870, I found that the Winchester target shells I was using were expanding too much in the chamber because of the too-flexible metal they use for the shell base. Every brass shell I've run in it works fine 🤷♂️
I bought myself a Mossberg Maverick 88 last Thanksgiving and I've loved it so far. I haven't had a single jam and it cycles great. It was $240 at sportsman's warehouse at the time
Also, I have one of the worst pistols of all time. It's the Lorcin l380. It jams almost every way it can, but it only cost me $90 to buy it from my dad with a box of ammo
I briefly owned a Taurus PT22 Ply. It’s a bit thick for pocket carry but mine ran flawlessly although some don’t. The Ruger LCP 2 22lr is a better option because it’s single action(but with a manual safety) IF you can get one that runs right after the break in period. Small 22lr pistols can be hit or miss but they penetrate okay with Federal Punch and CCI Velocitor(which is a round that will beat up your gun a bit). It’s unfortunate that 25 acp ammo is so expensive because it’s more reliable all around although it’s badly in need of a bump up in power, a slightly longer case and a new name are in order.
Definitely do more videos like this! My gun buying dollars are few and precious. I can't even partially write a lemon off on my taxes. Every gun you impartially review and show to be a poorly working or even non working POS saves a viewer from making a costly mistake, or possibly saves their lives if it was a gun they would have bought to defend their home and family. I am fortunate, I have been collecting guns for over 55 years. There is no NEED I have to find a gun to fill. Now I only NEED to buy guns that interest me. But there are many of your viewers that are younger than I, maybe just starting a family and ho est reviews like this can help them avoid costly, possibly even dangerous purchases.
I stopped buying remington several years ago. Such a shame how bad they've gotten
I’d love to know what you think about the DP12, I’ve been looking at one for awhile.
Absolutely love this topic!!! I always do my research on everything I buy but especially my guns! It’s great to see a DO NOT BUY list!!! Keep em coming!
Id add the only Ruger ive ever regreted buying-
The EC9S.
1st trip to repair-
Slide and trigger locked up before 100 rounds.
2nd trip to repair-
1st magazine of Federal FMJ 115g FTF, FTE, Stovepipes.
2nd magazine of Sig JHP 124g same thing.
3rd magazine Federal 70g same thing.
3rd trip to repair-
Ran 2 magazines and started FTEs again.
Cant bring myself to trade it in because someone will depend on it and not survive.
I wanted to love it but we cant even be friends.
Another honorable mention are certain variants of the M1 Carbine such as those made by Universal, I had a friend who fired one and it fell apart into a thousand pieces.
My Uncle had the same thing happen to one of his. Literally pieces fell off the damn thing into the yard.
I couldn't agree more on Keltec. They are truly innovative when it comes to new designs, but freaking terrible when it comes to execution.
Kel Tec legit made a 223 rifle called the SU 16 that took “ar mags” but their 10 round magazine had feed lips while an AR does not. Needless to say it was discontinued. Like how? How is that basic engineering not tested?
@@Sig_P229, I remember when they released SU-16C. I thought it was cool and a great backpacking gun. Then I shot one. It felt like it was made by Mattel. It jammed constantly. It is one of the worst rifles I ever shot. I am so glad I never spent my money on one. Like I said, Keltec has great ideas, just not great follow-through.
The charging handle on the new 5.7 pistol from them feel like they’re gonna just snap off they feel so flimsy
I have a Sub 2000 Gen 1 and KSG that have no problems yet… had both for over 2 years but there not my first choice for self-defense mostly just fun range toys
By all accounts the PEW and P17 are pretty decent.
Hey Chris I just wanted to say that maverick 88s are like $198 in my area so they’re still really affordable.
Edit autocorrect is a B word
and they don't cost too much
@@scottstewart5784 that’s what really affordable means...
@@blakedavis2447 You're adorable. Re-read your original post.
@@scottstewart5784 if you’re gonna correct my grammar then correct my grammar but leave the attitude at home
@@blakedavis2447 Still adorable.
Agree on the Remington RP9, WOW! That gun constantly got jammed; had to send it back to Remington and they kind of fixed, but I sold it as soon as I could.
My favorite go to's are my Ruger SR9 because it feels like a full size but small enough to be considered compact and good for conceal carry. The other is my Ruger PC Carbine as I enjoy the idea of being able to use the same mag type as my SR9. My other is my Ruger AR556 attached with a reflex dot sight and angled foregrip. All 3 of them, I feel, are very well balanced and versatile.
Fantastic choices. I have all 3 and have performed flawlessly
We definitely need too know what not to buy, for instance the Remington was a surprise that would be a brand I would consider.
You've gotta research every model before you buy. The Remington Rp 9 is notoriously bad but the Remington R1 is a pretty good pistol! Same manufacturer very different quality.
Pre 2007 Remingtons are your best bet. Post 2007 is a crapshoot
I wouldn’t buy anything Keltec or Taurus. I learned along time ago you get what you pay for. 2nd and 3rd tear guns are a waist of time and money. Same thing goes for cheap optics. Save a little longer and buy high quality arms and accessories and avoid the headache’s.
I have a Taurus 65 revolver and love it.
@@erichendrick3928 never owned a Taurus but I have heard good things about their current guns. Old stuff was junk.
Can you imagine how many first time gun users had an absolutely horrific experience with.a gun and assumed that all of them were that crappy and a rip off no matter how low the price? First gun I ever bought for myself I was 13 and rode my bike to the hardware store and paid 50 bucks for a Marlin 22 and a few more bucks for a bucket of ammo. The notion of that is actually pretty funny now. 5 kids on Redline BMX bikes stopping in to buy guns and ammo. It worked pretty good then and actually still works.
Growing up you figure there are smart people in a board room that think through decisions, even more so when you're dealing with something that shoots a small very fast object that can kill people. However, as I got older and saw seemingly smart people make horrible decisions about just about anything you can think of, I came to the conclusion that more often than not accountants and engineers are more in charge than the end user every could be. Accountants beat the drum of cheaper cheaper cheaper and engineers beat the drum of the weirder and less fun or useful something is the better it must be. We all know that sales guys are just annoying prostitutes that just bother you so much that you'll buy it just to shut them up. Along the way up and down the geek chain it is way more often than not the end user that suffers.
Personally I like the Chiappa Rhino and would like to own one some day. All your comments are spot on. One additional important difference is, if you have a round that doesn't go off you just fire again and go to the next round. No having to clear a jam or reracking a slide.
I found the P22 to be 100% reliable vs the Beretta 21 which needs lots of break-in to even make it functional.
I can't imagine practically non functional guns went on the market without their makers knowing how bad they truly are.
I have a ks7 it's the best shotgun I own
I love the Remington rp9
Then you should have done more reviews on it. Like I said in your vid . Haven't been able to find a bolt action in 7.62x39 since your review.
Love the channel 👍🏻
Lol
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Who tee who!!
I highly recommend viewing your channel before purchasing any gun. Merry Christmas Chris
These are the types of videos we need!!! Thank you as always for your reviews…