I love my ksg. Any ksg made in the last 5 years probably... Is actually really nice. They really perform well. Really the most badass shotgun on the market
Right because think about it like this. If you're shooting a traditional 9 pellet 00 buck, you're essentially shooting off 126 projectiles with those 14 shots. Each one nearly the diameter of a 9mm. Any one of which has lethality out to 100 yards.
Kel-Tec also had the first micro compact 10+1 9mm pistol with the P11, which came out in 1995. Well before the Sig P365. Sure it had a 3000lb trigger pull, but it was still the first of it's kind.
I'm a DP12 man myself. Built like a tank. Nothing cheap on it. 2 taps available per rack. Nuff said. I can't believe that shotty doesn't get more love on these channels. Hickock, his son John and Larry Vickers are really the only people I've seen show it a lot of love. Vickers' video on it is AWESOME btw.
Great vlog! As for copying designs to me it’s similar to when pumps shotguns came out everyone started making one but just a little different. Evolution of the BULLPUMP.
Always wanted a KSG.. I should just get it since I been dreaming about it for months. Has everything I want. Only concern I have is reliability and build quality. Want it for the range and civil unrest scenarios.
good rule of thumbs when getting a KSG if the serial number's first letter is f or above in the alphabet your good the gen 1 KSG has those so called reliability issues that were fixed after the first 25k units I've actually never seen a gen 1s loading chamber but there is no good distinction other than the serial number to know for sure so if it's F or above your good
My KSG i bought used, have had lots of issues with extracting. Found that shit ammo is the cause. If anyone has this issue you should take apart your ksg and polish the chamber with valve rubbing compound. I have also found that it loves Federal Ammo.
The M&P looks awkwardly tall from bottom of grip to top rail. The KSG just looks better and your firing hand isn't positioned lower compared to your pump hand like on the M&P.
Thank you so much for sharing that and by the way, I picked up the Caltech K7 and I also picked up the Smith and Weston MP 12 as well and I just happen to run into the Mossberg maverick 88 and got that as well I haven’t shot not one of them yet😂😂😂😂 but I will
I don’t have any experience with the smith. However I do love my KSG. It’s bees 100% reliable over hundreds of rounds. With a few Mcarbo accessories it’s even better
I have noticed over the years that when describing their gun, if someone feels the need to include that it's "been 100% reliable," it either hasn't actually been 100% reliable, or it's enough of a concern with that model they felt the need to say it. Even Eric's hasn't been.
Completely disagree. Most people that have had issues with this weapon can not grasp the technique of functionality of it or either they are limp wristing the weapon.
@@johnqpublic2718 sorry but I won’t advertise buyers remorse. If it was a bad buy I would say so. I bought a hi point c9 . It’s been worthless . Lots of people swear the c9 has great reliability. Not mine My KSG IS 100%
@@johnqpublic2718 it took me about 40 rounds to understand what the salesman meant by don't be gentle racking your next round. Those were the only issues I've had with the KSG with 500+ rounds through it. Granted, I don't use tons of different types of ammo and never use short brass. Usually in videos I see people always trying to rapid fire the thing, which makes no sense. If you want rapid fire, a pump shotgun shouldn't be your go to weapon.
Just bought a KSG-12 today. The guy at the shop handed me an M&P hoping I'd fork over the extra dollars for it, but two factors killed it for me: The heft, and the fixed foregrip. It's just too bulky, and the foregrip is further ahead than I find comfortable. For CQB home defense, that's a negative for me.
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The best options, as I see it, are the KS7, the KSG SBS, the M&P12, and the KSG25. The KSG SBS and KSG25 should also be able to use that suppressor also.
The carry handle on the KS7 and pic rail on the KSG are interchangeable and available on Keltecs website. I bought the carry handle for my KSG because my nephew loves the space gun look lol
I own and use the KSG-12 and I can tell you that I’ve had ZERO problems running various shells including the mini-shells. Chucking at any angle of hold, nearly upside down, was never a problem. Of course I’ve added some notable upgrades along the way and switching between loads a breeze. 👍 for KSG.
Will the M&P run mini shells? I added the extended magazine change Lever to my KSG so you flip it with your wrist so you don't have to remove your hands from the firearm I also have a Sig Romeo 5 and have fun at the range busting clay pigeons. My ksg is a little mule if your shooting 1 once slugs at 1,600fps
I prefer the tube selector on the KSG over the M&P. Being able to switch tubes with a flick of the wrist while keeping both hands on the controls while keeping eyes on target as opposed to having to take one hand of the slide and find the switch then get back into the battle and possibly having to look for the switch.
The minis cycle perfectly in my KSG and it doesn’t feel as picky on stroke travel. 23 rounds is a lot of payload. End of world shit if you need them all. I carry one Remington slug in the handle in case I need to get a target on the other side of the wall.
I have a KSG and in an apartment (using 04BUCK ammunition), it stores very nicely. Like Eric said, you really don't need more than the 14+1 in a home defense situation. Of course fun time at the range, the 1" Agularia shells are fun and considerably less recoil. Again, as Eric said, no free lunch in physics.
Well 15 rounds aren't good enough for me!!😂 what about home invasion!?!?!?!? In the heat of the battle you'll miss shots!! Why bought aftermarket 14 slug holder that sits on top of ksg. Fully loaded it's got be 15 pounds😂😂😂 that suppressor is as much as the ksg.......I'm good but if I had 1300.00 I'd buy it in a heart beat!! But I couldn't imagine the stamp for that!!
I understand the benefit of more capacity with the dual tubes and being able to have two types of loads but I think the ks7 is a fantastic idea! Super slim and compact while having decent capacity! Kel tec makes some wild stuff and I will admit I’m a fan and have some experience with their products. The smith model reminds me of the tavor compared to the Kel Tec rdb…it’s got all sorts of “stuff” on it and I think it makes it bulky when it doesn’t have to be
Love my KSG, for the price point and what you get there really isn't any competition out there for it. While there are alternatives they come at more of a premium without really offering significant performance improvements. Of note, I do chuckle when people talk about reloading any of these bullpup shotguns in a home invasion scenario. Their capacity allows you to put down an entire squad sized element if all your shots hit, but even with traditional semi auto you won't be able to reload efficiently in that same scenario and will need to use your sidearm regardless.
I just bought the KS7 last week. Do you think I should feel any "buyer's remorse" over its being limited to 7 3" shells...as posed to the KSG 12, which, if I'm not mistaking, fits up to 14 similar shells? I bought the KS7 for home defense.
now, a couple of these shotguns look like the Bullpup Unlimited kit for the Rem 870 and the Moss 590. What's the prognosis on that with these? Costs less, for sure.
I've never wanted to own a keltec, but the ksg 410 model that's not out yet does peak my interest. I won't buy one until they have been reviewed by plenty and prove to be functional and reliable. I like to wait a year or two when something new comes out just in case there are issues that need and get fixed.
Gotta ask what are you using for ammo? And how do you like this for a truck gun and how do you store it? Love the M&P12 but seems kinda bulky as a truck gun.
@tburrows357 I use brenneke ATS "anti terror slugs". I store the gun behind the back seat of my truck in a custom made mount that bolts to the seat brackets. As I live in a state that craps on AR's it's about the only good choice I have
I have a KSG. I don't like how you have to use a perfect amount of force when racking it make the gun work. If you don't rack the last 1/8 of inch (which is very easy to mess up), the gun WILL jam. I guess I need more practice with it. It does kick more than my Maverick 88. But if you put a Limbsaver pad on the KSG it's not bad. The Maverick 88 is just much easier to use. The KSG is lighter and more compact though with more capacity. The KSG is indeed hard to load. The magazine tube follower gets stuck a lot after the last round. I don't think I could use a KSG reliable ina real gun fight though. I shot my friend's KS7. That gun kicks like a freaking mule. Way worse than any other 12 gauge shotgun. Don't buy the KS7. It's not fun to shoot.
A vertical fore grip eliminates the short stroking problem on the ksg. I never cared for it until I tried it and realized it is a MUST. Makes racking the gun properly so much easier.
I changed to metal followers and a mix of the aquila mini shells for a total of 23 rounds if I need more ammo those rounds will help me fight till I get to my AR or KSG 25 with 40+ of those aforementioned shells....both Kel Tec's fully loaded made a shotgun bandolier obsolete.
I like the 20 ga slugs (.63cal) and have a Maverick 88. I like the idea of an M&P Bullpup in 20 gauge to increase capacity from 6 round max to 24 rounds. That, IMO, would be ideal; especially for the self defense situation.
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I have a KSG 12 and I love it. Some tritium sights, a magpul fore grip, and nice flashlight and you have a fantastic home defense tool.
Imagine the round count using 1-3/4 shorty #4 buck
I’ve done that before I can’t remember the exact number but it will hold over 20 of them
100% agree with everything you just said except KSG...
@@tylermallory2504 good for you
Ksg not enough metal mnp12 to much metal
I love my ksg. Any ksg made in the last 5 years probably... Is actually really nice. They really perform well. Really the most badass shotgun on the market
Some people be missing the reload point, if you shot 14+ shells and they didnt get the job done you drop the shotty and go to your pistol...
Right because think about it like this. If you're shooting a traditional 9 pellet 00 buck, you're essentially shooting off 126 projectiles with those 14 shots. Each one nearly the diameter of a 9mm. Any one of which has lethality out to 100 yards.
If the intruders are sticking around after 14 shots, then you've got something they really want bad! They usually scatter after the first shot.
@@nkdfun For SURE
100% AGREE!!!!
There is an old saying " switching to your side arm is faster than reloading. "
I have a DP-12 from Standard Man. 16 shot. Totally love it
Kel-Tec also had the first micro compact 10+1 9mm pistol with the P11, which came out in 1995. Well before the Sig P365. Sure it had a 3000lb trigger pull, but it was still the first of it's kind.
You have to admit the P365 shoots really good though
I have a p11 and it's kinda garbage. For the p365 to fully catch up they will need to release it in .40 and .357 sig
@@tomisamishor just not be garbage
He had the grendel p10 in 1988 11 rounds of 380.
I got a XD mod 2 9mm that holds 14 and it's nearly the same footprint of the sig gun.
I never understood the hype.
As always, great video Eric!
I'm a DP12 man myself. Built like a tank. Nothing cheap on it. 2 taps available per rack. Nuff said.
I can't believe that shotty doesn't get more love on these channels. Hickock, his son John and Larry Vickers are really the only people I've seen show it a lot of love. Vickers' video on it is AWESOME btw.
Well done review and comparison. Great stuff per usual, Eric 👍
I definitely love my KSG-15! You right! You have to man handle it when racking. Great comparison video. 👍🏾
@rsh4599 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fa real!! Deebo! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Thanks for the video man!
Great vlog!
As for copying designs to me it’s similar to when pumps shotguns came out everyone started making one but just a little different.
Evolution of the BULLPUMP.
Sounds like these bullpups start the fight and you switch to a backup gun after you run out of ammo to finish the fight.
Thanks. Because of your vid I switched off from about to buy a KSG. My M&P12 arrives Monday ;)
Always wanted a KSG.. I should just get it since I been dreaming about it for months. Has everything I want. Only concern I have is reliability and build quality. Want it for the range and civil unrest scenarios.
Any new ksg's are great. They got a bad rap in the beginning. But any ksg made in the past 5 years are awesome.
good rule of thumbs when getting a KSG if the serial number's first letter is f or above in the alphabet your good the gen 1 KSG has those so called reliability issues that were fixed after the first 25k units I've actually never seen a gen 1s loading chamber but there is no good distinction other than the serial number to know for sure so if it's F or above your good
My KSG i bought used, have had lots of issues with extracting. Found that shit ammo is the cause. If anyone has this issue you should take apart your ksg and polish the chamber with valve rubbing compound. I have also found that it loves Federal Ammo.
What do you think of detachable mag fed bull pups? What detachable mag fed bull pup would you recommend?
Fear 109? Looks awesome, never saw one in real life...
The Tavor from IWI is good. Not a shot gun though. 556 NATO
Goodmorning. Thanks for the ksg content.
The M&P looks awkwardly tall from bottom of grip to top rail. The KSG just looks better and your firing hand isn't positioned lower compared to your pump hand like on the M&P.
The mp12 is 10xs better
Thanks Eric for another informative video.
Thank you so much for sharing that and by the way, I picked up the Caltech K7 and I also picked up the Smith and Weston MP 12 as well and I just happen to run into the Mossberg maverick 88 and got that as well I haven’t shot not one of them yet😂😂😂😂 but I will
Thank you I was looking for a video like this 3 hours ago
I made the mistake and got a TS12….there’s no better shotgun that can follow! I absolutely LOVE that rig!
You’re doing your part!
Agreed!
No mistake. Great choice!!
Except you gave your money to an Isreal based company.
That's what I really want but unfortunately I live in Illinois 🙁so researching pump bull pup now.
Great video thanks for the info and comparison! Looking at getting a kel tec ksg
I don’t have any experience with the smith.
However I do love my KSG. It’s bees 100% reliable over hundreds of rounds. With a few Mcarbo accessories it’s even better
I have noticed over the years that when describing their gun, if someone feels the need to include that it's "been 100% reliable," it either hasn't actually been 100% reliable, or it's enough of a concern with that model they felt the need to say it.
Even Eric's hasn't been.
Completely disagree. Most people that have had issues with this weapon can not grasp the technique of functionality of it or either they are limp wristing the weapon.
@@johnqpublic2718 sorry but I won’t advertise buyers remorse. If it was a bad buy I would say so. I bought a hi point c9 . It’s been worthless . Lots of people swear the c9 has great reliability. Not mine
My KSG IS 100%
@@johnqpublic2718 it took me about 40 rounds to understand what the salesman meant by don't be gentle racking your next round. Those were the only issues I've had with the KSG with 500+ rounds through it. Granted, I don't use tons of different types of ammo and never use short brass. Usually in videos I see people always trying to rapid fire the thing, which makes no sense. If you want rapid fire, a pump shotgun shouldn't be your go to weapon.
Smith and Wesson also recalled their version because the barre was fracturing
The ksg 12 is the perfect grouse gun one tube of bird the other with slugs for bear protection or deer if the opportunity arises
Just bought a KSG-12 today. The guy at the shop handed me an M&P hoping I'd fork over the extra dollars for it, but two factors killed it for me: The heft, and the fixed foregrip. It's just too bulky, and the foregrip is further ahead than I find comfortable. For CQB home defense, that's a negative for me.
what price
Don’t forget to mention the Glock magazine storage in the handgrip for your extra quick standby
KSG is $530 at Prepper Gun Shop right now. Love this gun.
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This guy is a Super Star. Been following for so many years, how time flies.
The best options, as I see it, are the KS7, the KSG SBS, the M&P12, and the KSG25. The KSG SBS and KSG25 should also be able to use that suppressor also.
The carry handle on the KS7 and pic rail on the KSG are interchangeable and available on Keltecs website. I bought the carry handle for my KSG because my nephew loves the space gun look lol
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superb Video, but no links to the range review vids. Is it possible to temporarily limit one of the ammo chambers for states with ammo limits?
IWI Tavor TS12? Semi auto bullpup with magazine?
I own and use the KSG-12 and I can tell you that I’ve had ZERO problems running various shells including the mini-shells. Chucking at any angle of hold, nearly upside down, was never a problem. Of course I’ve added some notable upgrades along the way and switching between loads a breeze. 👍 for KSG.
Good bear stoppers for sure!
You know a semi auto version of these would be tits.
Look up the IWI Tavor TS12
@@ChunkyDogWater that thing is massive
@@ResetGovernmentIt has to be for extra room the bolt cycle takes up.
Awesome video brother.
Hey man, what's with the Moss Pawn & Gun audio quality?😂
Will the M&P run mini shells?
I added the extended magazine change Lever to my KSG so you flip it with your wrist so you don't have to remove your hands from the firearm I also have a Sig Romeo 5 and have fun at the range busting clay pigeons.
My ksg is a little mule if your shooting 1 once slugs at 1,600fps
Yes the M & P take mini shells (20), KSG-15 take 22.
Been looking at the KSG for my birthday gun , here soon, the KSG can also run mini shells, so 22 rounds of 12 gauge
I prefer the tube selector on the KSG over the M&P. Being able to switch tubes with a flick of the wrist while keeping both hands on the controls while keeping eyes on target as opposed to having to take one hand of the slide and find the switch then get back into the battle and possibly having to look for the switch.
Do you know if any Law Enforcement or military organization is using the KSG or M&P12?
I think the San Francisco SWAT Team uses the KSG !!! (EDIT) Also something I remembered the North Korean Army Experimented with the KSG Shotgun
Will either of them feed short shells reliably?
The minis cycle perfectly in my KSG and it doesn’t feel as picky on stroke travel. 23 rounds is a lot of payload. End of world shit if you need them all. I carry one Remington slug in the handle in case I need to get a target on the other side of the wall.
@@texmcboogSomebody make a grip plug or DIY?
What sight is that on the M&P12?
I have a KSG and in an apartment (using 04BUCK ammunition), it stores very nicely. Like Eric said, you really don't need more than the 14+1 in a home defense situation. Of course fun time at the range, the 1" Agularia shells are fun and considerably less recoil. Again, as Eric said, no free lunch in physics.
Aguila*
Well 15 rounds aren't good enough for me!!😂 what about home invasion!?!?!?!? In the heat of the battle you'll miss shots!! Why bought aftermarket 14 slug holder that sits on top of ksg. Fully loaded it's got be 15 pounds😂😂😂 that suppressor is as much as the ksg.......I'm good but if I had 1300.00 I'd buy it in a heart beat!! But I couldn't imagine the stamp for that!!
@@HemiMichael No stamp required. Full-length barrel shotgun. :)
Isn't it a suppressor??? I've never bought one before but these one is awesome! But can't afford it right now. Wish I could find used.
I added the aluminum followers to my KSG, and it performs smoothly.
Where can I find barrel extensions for the KSG ??
eric and chad, make more gun review vids please
I understand the benefit of more capacity with the dual tubes and being able to have two types of loads but I think the ks7 is a fantastic idea! Super slim and compact while having decent capacity! Kel tec makes some wild stuff and I will admit I’m a fan and have some experience with their products. The smith model reminds me of the tavor compared to the Kel Tec rdb…it’s got all sorts of “stuff” on it and I think it makes it bulky when it doesn’t have to be
What type of red dot sight do you have on your KSG.
what about your experience with customer support from the companies?
How do they compare to the Tavor 12?
No comparison! The tavor is a BEAST and is battle proven!
Hate the Tavor 12… absolutely massive and bulky. Also looks freakishly alien. The KSG is still futuristic looking but maintains a lower profile.
what is the stocked pistol/sbr to the left of Eric?
Eric, it's been awhile since I watched one of your video's......is it me or are you getting older? lol.......enjoyed the video, well done.
I'd like to see an M&P version of the KS7. I don't need the dual mag tubes, but I do like the 7 round bullpup design.
Love my KSG, for the price point and what you get there really isn't any competition out there for it. While there are alternatives they come at more of a premium without really offering significant performance improvements. Of note, I do chuckle when people talk about reloading any of these bullpup shotguns in a home invasion scenario. Their capacity allows you to put down an entire squad sized element if all your shots hit, but even with traditional semi auto you won't be able to reload efficiently in that same scenario and will need to use your sidearm regardless.
What is the silver pistol under Kermit? Great review BTW!
Howdy eric keep em coming
Or you can buy a ksg and a ks7 for the same price as the Smith and Wesson
I just bought the KS7 last week. Do you think I should feel any "buyer's remorse" over its being limited to 7 3" shells...as posed to the KSG 12, which, if I'm not mistaking, fits up to 14 similar shells? I bought the KS7 for home defense.
maverick 88 security laughs in background
14 of the 2-3/4" shells.
@@Kamalashairypussy maverick 88 looks like a musket and is way too long. Why the bullpups are popular. Get with the times
Love the review. Sometimes I feel like you’re pulling punches but this one felt honest.
Too bad Smith and Wesson M&P 10mm were not released before quality testing was done
I really think that the KS7 if the best form factor for practicality.
.... is that a 30 caliber magazine tube clippy?
now, a couple of these shotguns look like the Bullpup Unlimited kit for the Rem 870 and the Moss 590.
What's the prognosis on that with these? Costs less, for sure.
UTAS version?
Can't wait to see a box magazine KS7!
Good morning Sir Eric ❤ your Big Fan ❤❤
Love your content, Brother. Ks7 might be nicer with short shells, i know mossberg has 590s now, how do shorties cycle in k7?
...Ks7 with the +4 tube is the Ks12, very small cool package...like the Ksg 25.
I've never wanted to own a keltec, but the ksg 410 model that's not out yet does peak my interest. I won't buy one until they have been reviewed by plenty and prove to be functional and reliable. I like to wait a year or two when something new comes out just in case there are issues that need and get fixed.
A 410? Why though. It's the worst of all worlds. Less effective down range, less options of loads, and cost substantially more per round vs 12&20 ga.
Why do that when you can buy low recoil 12 gauge ammo
Ive shot both..and still own a M&P 12. It's still my go to truck gun.
Gotta ask what are you using for ammo? And how do you like this for a truck gun and how do you store it? Love the M&P12 but seems kinda bulky as a truck gun.
@tburrows357 I use brenneke ATS "anti terror slugs". I store the gun behind the back seat of my truck in a custom made mount that bolts to the seat brackets. As I live in a state that craps on AR's it's about the only good choice I have
Can hold 13 regular rounds
can hold 30 mini shells? 🤔
Just curious- what is a standard blue UN helmet composed of and will a 12 ga. penetrate it?
Asking for a friend? 😉
Drink every time he says "Considerably" 🍻
I found My KSG used by an old man that never shot at 599 with magical flip up sights and a fore grip
No one mentions the SRM 12-16 anymore. Are others just out performing that weapon ?
thanks for sharing :)
the M&P 12 will also shoot shorty shells, iirc it will hold 10 per tube >_>
Minishells. You can run em up to 21, some people claim more. Less reloading
Eric let's see some milsurp footage at the range. It's been a while since you had a k31 on video
the Kel-Tec KSG looks like something out of a sci-fi movie
@@omarslim3362A Silkie even. Haha
One of the only downsides of the KS7 is lack of a rail to mod the pump
I have a KSG. I don't like how you have to use a perfect amount of force when racking it make the gun work. If you don't rack the last 1/8 of inch (which is very easy to mess up), the gun WILL jam. I guess I need more practice with it. It does kick more than my Maverick 88. But if you put a Limbsaver pad on the KSG it's not bad. The Maverick 88 is just much easier to use. The KSG is lighter and more compact though with more capacity. The KSG is indeed hard to load. The magazine tube follower gets stuck a lot after the last round. I don't think I could use a KSG reliable ina real gun fight though. I shot my friend's KS7. That gun kicks like a freaking mule. Way worse than any other 12 gauge shotgun. Don't buy the KS7. It's not fun to shoot.
I have a KS7 that’s fun to shoot because I load it with mini shells and it holds 12 + 1
A vertical fore grip eliminates the short stroking problem on the ksg. I never cared for it until I tried it and realized it is a MUST. Makes racking the gun properly so much easier.
I am a mossberg man, but i do like the ksg with the silencer 🤫
Ill ctill choose KelTec
While a a bit different, I think the dp12 is similar enough to these guns to be included in this comparison.
Love my m&p12 loaded with 20 mini shells.
I haven't tried minishells on my mp 12. How reliable are they?
Am I the only one who thinks the Kermit plush fits strangely well in the background?
When they get a side loading gate built in i will buy one. I hate the reloads on those ksg's
You can half load these bad boys long term without risk of losing mag spring tension
I changed to metal followers and a mix of the aquila mini shells for a total of 23 rounds if I need more ammo those rounds will help me fight till I get to my AR or KSG 25 with 40+ of those aforementioned shells....both Kel Tec's fully loaded made a shotgun bandolier obsolete.
S&W should make a metal version of the KS7.
the KSG also comes in 4.10
For a bullpup shotgun tavor TS12>all others
Aguila mini-shells makes the KSG SO much more fun. 23 round capacity. WHAAAAAAT??!!
Baby kermit in the background 😊
Dawg, what is S&W doing? Folding PCC, 22mag handgun, 12 gauge. Why'd they suddenly go after kel tec?
S&W had to recall a bunch in the first month or so due to cracked barrels😂
I like the 20 ga slugs (.63cal) and have a Maverick 88. I like the idea of an M&P Bullpup in 20 gauge to increase capacity from 6 round max to 24 rounds. That, IMO, would be ideal; especially for the self defense situation.