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  • @YaBoyRoshi
    @YaBoyRoshi  Рік тому +432

    No Game No Life flashbacks

  • @Ashamanic
    @Ashamanic Рік тому +1626

    Morpheus is an anthropomorphic personification. He isn’t actually a skinny white dude - normally we see him that way because it’s simpler to show, but how he appears depends to some extent on who is looking at him, and Nada, from an African tribe 10000 years ago, has no reason to see him as white.

    • @Patrick-jd1ku
      @Patrick-jd1ku Рік тому +61

      he's literally white, rather than pink like most white people, which makes me think that the Endless's white skin is supposed to be symbolic of a blank page

    • @probablysomeguy4806
      @probablysomeguy4806 Рік тому +400

      @@Patrick-jd1ku No, he’s not literally white. The comic book makes it clear that different people see him differently.

    • @ayaehab
      @ayaehab Рік тому +191

      and a cat to cats when they dream!

    • @elbruces
      @elbruces Рік тому +226

      The Martian Manhunter sees him as a giant flaming skull. (from the comics, not in the show)
      Cats see him as a big longhair black cat. (not in the show until episode 11)
      Nada sees him as a black dude. Hell, she lived 10,000 years ago, she probably wouldn't know what a white guy even looks like, or what that even means. Also shoutout to the guy they found to be black Tom Sturridge, because he sells that.
      Fact is, the only reason that *we* see Morpheus as a white guy is because white guys are normative in our culture. Even if you're not white, you know that white guys run the world, so that's why we usually see him as a white guy on-screen.
      Which gets kind of meta. We're seeing Tom Sturridge just because of our cultural filter. Other people with different cultural filters might see somebody else.

    • @danielfonseca4849
      @danielfonseca4849 Рік тому +128

      @@Patrick-jd1ku He was drawn as a white man, black and asian, as a cat, a flaming skull and a cat headed god. So, yes, white and yes, a lot of things.

  • @theinvulnerablescottsterli723
    @theinvulnerablescottsterli723 Рік тому +1373

    Why he appears differently to the prisoner in hell is he appears differently to every living being. He’s literally a cat when cats dream.

    • @bigyetter
      @bigyetter Рік тому +160

      Also if she's from 10,000 years ago, that pre-dates white skin (which started around 8500 years ago).

    • @spiraljumper74
      @spiraljumper74 Рік тому +110

      He doesn’t appear differently to every being, he just has many different aspects. Kai’ackul is the aspect he is known as by Nuada’s people. She doesn’t know him as Morpheus, so she wouldn’t see Morpheus.

    • @elsacastilleja8571
      @elsacastilleja8571 Рік тому +16

      He appears to ppl as their own race. That is why she saw him as a black man.

    • @spiraljumper74
      @spiraljumper74 Рік тому +28

      @@elsacastilleja8571 No he doesn’t 🤣 why would he do that!?

    • @Ragdefender
      @Ragdefender Рік тому +95

      @@spiraljumper74 They don't actually have human forms. They only appear to us as human personifications because it is what our human brains can comprehend. There was a conversation between Cain and Abel in the comics that mentioned this.

  • @gregdesouza17
    @gregdesouza17 Рік тому +393

    Hope wins because Lucifer is full of hope, he hopes to escape what the Creator has planned from him, he hopes he can see the Silver City of Angels Again. If he finds something that wins over hope, he has to give up his own hope, which he can't do.

    • @Lctl10
      @Lctl10 Рік тому +69

      yup! A lotta people missed on this I fear - which is another reason why Lucifer was so damn pissed off.

    • @0okamino
      @0okamino Рік тому +64

      Yes. Lucifer, who acts smug, detached, and disinterested in these affairs to mask the constant misery and pain of the fall from grace, got called out big time.

    • @MrKylljoy
      @MrKylljoy Рік тому +19

      And he can't say despair because despair is equal to hope, not superior. And Despair is Dream's sibling so...

    • @tzimiable
      @tzimiable Рік тому +15

      Yeah, its quite beautiful, as writing goes.

    • @ShacoAlon
      @ShacoAlon Рік тому +10

      @@0okamino Lucifer's not really choked up on the Fall. In DC at least during the War in Heaven God really pulled up and said.
      "Hey you want an out? There's this place that you can rule yourself free of my Presence." Lucifer took the out and 10 Billion years of ruling Hell later he realized it was a lie.

  • @pablolacalle6098
    @pablolacalle6098 Рік тому +871

    Dream and Lucifer's fight was a really creative breath of fresh air from most comic book adaptation CG slugfests. Love the idea of having to fight Satan, the ultimate trickster and deceiver in a battle of words as Dream, the incarnation of imagination and creativity

    • @gabrieldossantos1116
      @gabrieldossantos1116 Рік тому +145

      It is also a game that clearly can *only* be played by the most powerful beings in existence. Even Marvel and DC heroes would be dead after "I am a nova" lmao

    • @bravaman
      @bravaman Рік тому +96

      True, these are beings that can shape reality with a thought, resorting to physical confrontations would be beneath them.

    • @lynxfresh5214
      @lynxfresh5214 Рік тому +33

      @@bravaman I was half expecting to see Death and Michael on the sidelines eating the concept of popcorn while watching their respective siblings play the game.

    • @aanyamallick7747
      @aanyamallick7747 Рік тому +8

      @@bravaman this is why I love the calliope episode !!
      The punishment he gave that mortal was fitting to his crime

    • @whip1720
      @whip1720 Рік тому +3

      @@gabrieldossantos1116 yes I love how they did it showed how powerful these being are in every scale possible while also not doing to much overall these are the strongest beings in comic book creation

  • @bartolomeestebanmurillo4459
    @bartolomeestebanmurillo4459 Рік тому +408

    7:10 Dream can appear in any form depending on the culture of the person who sees him, he even appears as a black cat when cats see him!

    • @Rocket-wn9kc
      @Rocket-wn9kc Рік тому +1

      Spoiler

    • @X3MAntics
      @X3MAntics Рік тому +39

      So a notorious cultural appropriator.
      Time to cancel dream.

    • @aanyamallick7747
      @aanyamallick7747 Рік тому +17

      @@X3MAntics 😭💀

    • @brunoqueiroz2759
      @brunoqueiroz2759 Рік тому +21

      @@X3MAntics all cultures start in the dreaming tho, all myths and gods do too. he is the father of all cultures

    • @azekel7687
      @azekel7687 Рік тому +8

      @@brunoqueiroz2759 While that is true, he doesn't have Power over all, like certain Dreams that were Created by Humanity, like the "Cain & Abel" in this Series, those were created by Humanity, that's why he couldn't absorb them, so he chose to Absorb Gregory since Gregory was a Nightmare/Dream that he created. So to say that he's the father of all Cultures is a bit of a stretch.

  • @Xanderj89
    @Xanderj89 Рік тому +69

    I love him handing over the Amulet of Protection. She told him people lie because they are afraid, so he genuinely tried to make her not afraid so she wouldn’t have to lie.
    It's the moment you know he is 100% serious about wanting to make a world without lies, as far as he’s concerned he’s following the rational path towards that goal, it's not just a crazy character doing evil shit for the sake of it, he genuinely thinks he's doing the right thing. Great villain writing.

    • @ShadowyFox_86
      @ShadowyFox_86 Рік тому +12

      He really is a child in a man's body, if you look at his pattern of behavior. Rosemary really gives him such a different view of humanity and why people lie. I wonder too if he sees a mother who was the victim of lies and was just trying to be a good person...and he gave it his best shot in saving a mother

  • @greyambrosia
    @greyambrosia Рік тому +360

    Fun Fact: During the fight between Lucifer and dream, she was actually invoking/Using the "Anti-life Equation" against him. Lupa would've probably lost his shit if he realized that. In fact Rao the sun god of krypton has met the endless before.
    also the demon who was rhyming the whole time was supposed to be Etrigan who yall saw in Young justice.

    • @iRoboticGaming
      @iRoboticGaming Рік тому

      Like this so he knows

    • @Ragdefender
      @Ragdefender Рік тому +70

      And I've always found it funny when I realized that the Superman symbol stands for hope. Probably just a coincidence that it ended up as a Darkseid vs Superman reference.

    • @ultralm7250
      @ultralm7250 Рік тому +24

      They reference anti-life but they definitely didn’t use the anti-life equation. The Anti-life equation is used to dominate all life in creation, if Lucifer could use it they wouldn’t be in hell

    • @spiraljumper74
      @spiraljumper74 Рік тому +57

      @@ultralm7250 Lucifer stays in hell willingly. He’s a being of infinite will and near infinite power, the anti-life equation can’t do anything he couldn’t already do himself.

    • @gabrieldossantos1116
      @gabrieldossantos1116 Рік тому +2

      @@ultralm7250 But Lucifer wasnt using it literally, she was evoking the concept of Anti-Life which is capable of destroying anything in the universe. And even so, if you see Michael and Lucifer in DC universe both are pretty much omnipotent. Lucifer even leaves hell willingly in Sandman

  • @pedroflintstone3449
    @pedroflintstone3449 Рік тому +227

    Don't know if this has been said but its not that there isn't something that could kill hope if you think about it despair is literally the loss of hope. Lucifer couldn't kill hope because the dream of one day finally overruling heaven and overcoming god is the one thing that keeps Lucifer and Hell going. Declaring that hope could die is declaring that hell and Lucifer have lost and are forever doomed. It adds extra impact to when Morpheus says "What power would hell have if those here imprisoned wouldn't be able to dream?"

    • @ericstahmer720
      @ericstahmer720 Рік тому +25

      "What power would hell have if those here imprisoned wouldn't be able to dream of Heaven?" is the full quote

    • @Ragdefender
      @Ragdefender Рік тому +22

      @@ericstahmer720 My interpretation to that is the same as Roshi. If you couldn't dream of something better, hell is just another place for you.

    • @jonathanspears3484
      @jonathanspears3484 Рік тому +34

      Exactly: "Maybe you can beat my move, but if you do you're beating yourself." And that's the one thing Lucifer (Pride) would never do.

    • @pabloc8808
      @pabloc8808 Рік тому +11

      But there's another factor here: Despair wouldn't even exist without Hope. None of the aspects of existence embodied by the Endless would exist without their opposite. A dream is the opposite of reality, death is the opposite of life, so on. So even Despair can't "kill" hope, for it wouldn't exist then, it's more like if there was an Endless that represented Hope, then Despair and Hope would be at each other's throats in an eternal struggle. Sadly, "Hope" starts with an H, not a D, so that's not happening lol

    • @ROFLWAFFLELAWL4
      @ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 Рік тому +2

      @@Ragdefender Yep. If there were no Heaven then Hell would just be the After-life. It's no longer a place where people go when they committed a sin but just a place you go when you die.

  • @pablolacalle6098
    @pablolacalle6098 Рік тому +308

    Yeah so John gave her the amulet legit because he respected her so much because he hates liars above all and she was unflinchingly honest. He has his own weird code

    • @elsacastilleja8571
      @elsacastilleja8571 Рік тому +11

      Tho in comic he unalives her

    • @ShantalhaitianPrincess
      @ShantalhaitianPrincess Рік тому

      @@elsacastilleja8571 yep kills her dead

    • @FilipeBellosi
      @FilipeBellosi Рік тому +5

      @@elsacastilleja8571 but on the comics she stopped from been afraid of him mid trip and it did lead onto us that he wouldnt kill her. Until that very end.

    • @Michaela_ZC
      @Michaela_ZC Рік тому +27

      @@FilipeBellosi Yeah I read the comic version of this and the next episode because I was curious what they were like originally... and it's crazy how different Jon is. They truly turned this Rotting Skeleton Joker into an (almost) sympathetic villain with goals and ideals. It's insane

    • @HaganeNoGijutsushi
      @HaganeNoGijutsushi Рік тому +25

      @@elsacastilleja8571 comic Dee is just a psycho, the show made him a much more complex character. Personally one of the changes I liked the most.

  • @pablolacalle6098
    @pablolacalle6098 Рік тому +409

    The trees in Hell being people is most likely a reference to the Wood of the Self-Murderers in Dante's epic poem the Divine Comedy, in its Inferno section

    • @Ashamanic
      @Ashamanic Рік тому +61

      In the comic, it’s explicitly the grove of suicides.

    • @StopReadingMyNameOrElse
      @StopReadingMyNameOrElse Рік тому +43

      @@Ashamanic Damn, thinking about all the sad, depressed people who couldn't fight anymore and gave up. Having to be forced to experience an even worse depressing existence.

    • @Ragdefender
      @Ragdefender Рік тому +21

      @@blueskybelyr It might not be kind, but it is definitely better than saying that killing themselves means ending up in a better place. Also though (spoilers!) the damned in this version WANT to be there.

    • @Sesharon
      @Sesharon Рік тому +28

      @@blueskybelyr It's a reference to very old literature, to Dante's Inferno. Besides which, the only people who go to Hell in this setting are those who believe in Hell and believe they deserve to be there. They are actually free to leave if they choose to. Mind you, this scheme of things is even more horrifying, because it means there are people in Hell who are genuinely objectively innocent of any crime, and only think they are guilty of sins they were taught to believe in from a young age. That's the dark power of belief in this setting.

    • @wtimmins
      @wtimmins Рік тому

      Neil Gaiman is a literate mfer.

  • @nate7743
    @nate7743 Рік тому +311

    Next episode is a straight mindfuck. Can't wait to witness the faces you 3 make while trying to figure out what in the hell is going on.

    • @Leonardo-po7ht
      @Leonardo-po7ht Рік тому +10

      Oh boy this is going to be funny

    • @TheJerbol
      @TheJerbol Рік тому

      He's already said explicitly what he wants, it's not really a mystery what's going on

    • @chasekellar3943
      @chasekellar3943 Рік тому +20

      I really wish John was the antagonist (or the central antagonist) for the whole season. His character was just interesting and I loved watching him. Corinthian was a little boring

    • @Michaela_ZC
      @Michaela_ZC Рік тому +3

      No silly, we see what's going on in the hell THIS episode.

    • @cloberlobster2276
      @cloberlobster2276 Рік тому +4

      @@chasekellar3943 yeah, but Corinthian is still my favorite. I wish his affect on the world was given more depth.
      I also wish they split the series into three parts.
      1 part with John, then Corinthian, then the dream vortex.

  • @serass6601
    @serass6601 Рік тому +123

    I interpreted Dream telling Lucifer "everyone in hell needs to dream of heaven" as a direct shot at Lucifer because he knows that's Lucifer's one and only dream, to be back in heaven by God's side. That's why Lucifer looked upset when he said that

    • @ShadowyFox_86
      @ShadowyFox_86 Рік тому +18

      We also can't forget that Lucifer preys on people's hopes and dreams. If they found a way to beat out hope, Lucifer has hamstrung themselves in the grab for power. Dream really knows Lucifer well and so he fights smarter not harder.

    • @Ledecral
      @Ledecral Рік тому +7

      From what I remember of DC’s Lucifer, their ultimate goal is to be free of god’s power, to have a reality all to themself. He basically told the devil they were nothing without god.

  • @MavenCree
    @MavenCree Рік тому +50

    Dream is not a white human man. We don't know what the Endless actually look like. 10 000 years ago, with the First People in Africa, they saw him as another black man. In the comics, when he met Jonn J'onz, the Martian Manhunter, he appeared to be a green Martian. The Endless appear as whatever they want or as whatever is expected to be seen. Nada didn't see an emo looking guy walking past and thought he resembled the guy she loved. She saw the Dream lord she loved, as she knew him, walking past. Those folk complain about other upcoming casting decisions really missed the point of the book. Neil Gaiman is literally shaking his head at them on twitter.

    • @DerUberGaijan
      @DerUberGaijan Рік тому

      You literally just described how Dream appears as what we expect him to look like, which is sort of poetically ironic because that's exactly the complaint of the fans who were fans of the series before the Netflix adaptation. They were presented with various characters looking one way and fell in love with them, that image of them solidifying in their mind over the years. It would be as if when Dream walked by Nada's cage she didn't see her beloved walk by, but Jackie Chan. Or a woman. Or a cat. It's gratifying to see the character that you love on the screen in the flesh but there's a dissonance because they don't look like how you remember them. And simply flipping the gender or race of a character and carrying on as if nothing has changed ignores the social differences each person experiences. Simply flipping John Constantine's sex to Joanna Constantine but keeping everything else the same may SEEM simple enough, but it unintentionally changes the character. A straight male being in a relationship with a straight woman is different than a lesbian woman in a same sex relationship - the latter implies all of the trials and tribulations that come along with it growing up or living as an LGBTQ+ adult. And that's just one example.
      So you're inherently changing not only the character but also subtly the story often than not when you just slip sex and race and orientation willy nilly. And I say this as someone who is bi and trans IRL. Not all of us wanted nor needed beloved works to be changed to play some kind of representation game. What's wrong with faithfully adapting Sandman and then making a new, original work that shows as much love to the LGBTQ+ community as you want?

    • @karalynzemene875
      @karalynzemene875 Рік тому +1

      The actor who played Nada's version of Dream had his work cut out for him, though, and he nailed it. I hope he's back for the Season of Mists arc

    • @arjunwali9885
      @arjunwali9885 Рік тому +1

      @@DerUberGaijan buddy... both Joanna and John are bisexual, he isnt straight

    • @arjunwali9885
      @arjunwali9885 Рік тому +1

      @@DerUberGaijan oh and they used joanna because the show couldnt get the rights to John, along with all of the other DC characters that appear or are mentioned in the original sandman comics.

  • @TwistedSynn
    @TwistedSynn Рік тому +98

    The Endless are concepts and they are scene based on someone's view of him, that's how he appears to her. In the comics he appeared as a giant flaming alien skull to the Martian Man Hunter because that's how they envision him.

    • @lynxfresh5214
      @lynxfresh5214 Рік тому +7

      That sounds like a nightmare considering his fear of fire... fitting.

  • @operative2136
    @operative2136 Рік тому +180

    You know, it's kinda nice that for once being a nice honest person actually pays off. I'm glad Rosemary got out of this uninjured, and perhaps even a bit better off for her kindness.

    • @TheJerbol
      @TheJerbol Рік тому +24

      Apparently in the comic he kills her. I like this much better

    • @ciarantc7881
      @ciarantc7881 Рік тому +22

      @@TheJerbol i just read it earlier today and yeah Dee shoots her; the show Dee is much more of a person with a set of ideals than we get in the comic where he's basically just out to use the ruby to rule and/or destroy the world for no real reason

    • @0okamino
      @0okamino Рік тому +12

      Physically unharmed, but that experience could really shake a person to their core.

  • @A.M_slime
    @A.M_slime Рік тому +73

    Ya'll notice that they rolled out the "red carpet" for Morpheus at the palace door.
    I love those little details in this show

    • @0okamino
      @0okamino Рік тому +7

      Abandon Hope In Style, All Who Enter Here

    • @stalematesibling
      @stalematesibling Рік тому +7

      oh shit i just got that dammit! 🤣

  • @brian.jrmontoya3227
    @brian.jrmontoya3227 Рік тому +43

    Dream’s flex on Lucifer never fails to be super hype.

    • @ShadowyFox_86
      @ShadowyFox_86 Рік тому +6

      That look when he says "Until then, Lightbringer" is just absolutely epic!

  • @Vlitrasura13
    @Vlitrasura13 Рік тому +31

    This episode has a LOT of substance in it.
    1) the design for Hell is based off of Dante’s Inferno and Jean Paul Sartre’s philosophy (Hell is people)
    2) Dream appears differently depending on the time and the person he is speaking to. It’s why he’s named Morpheus, the Shaper of Form. So with Nada, he looked like her tribe’s Dreamlord. In the comics he appears to Martian Manhunter as Lord L’Zoril with a flaming head and all. Every person has a different visual.
    3) Lucifer in this case is meant to be androgynous like Angels generally are depicted as. Kind of like in the Constantine movie with Gabriel.
    4) Dream chose Hope for a number of reasons, chief among them being bc even Lucifer has Hope, so they can’t kill it. And even if she chose Despair, then they’d be invoking one of the other Endless. Not the best choice against another Endless.

    • @ShadowyFox_86
      @ShadowyFox_86 Рік тому

      On 3, I think this is the absolute closest they could get to Bowie, who was the original inspiration of the comics version of Lucifer.
      As far as 4, everyone in Hell has hopes and dreams. Lucifer preys on those very things. If they win the metaphysical battle here, they've admitted defeat in the long-term fight to be the most powerful. That's why Lucifer makes the "what power" comment, I think. They want to make Dream back down so they don't lose face in front of everyone.

  • @apchi777
    @apchi777 Рік тому +92

    The reason Hope was stronger than the antilife was because lucifer still had hope to escape hell and return to heaven

    • @dbfro1
      @dbfro1 Рік тому +20

      This is an often overlooked point

    • @jddubisek9263
      @jddubisek9263 Рік тому +6

      Hope would always be stronger than anti-life, Lucifer just can't bring themselves to kill hope for the reason you stated.

    • @ShacoAlon
      @ShacoAlon Рік тому

      More like Hope to escape God's omniscience but yeah

  • @mrshadow4007
    @mrshadow4007 Рік тому +53

    "“And what will you be then, Dreamlord?”
    *“I am hope.”*
    All at once, everything changed. The barroom that was the plains of hell fell dead silent, and wide eyes stared from every corner. From the lowliest imp to the demon kings, everyone was stunned and left staring at the man who’d brought *Hope* into *Hell."* - Fear by Ryuugi

  • @phairine
    @phairine Рік тому +18

    In Gaiman's version of Hell - it's literally made of people that believe they deserve to be in Hell (everything is made of people - why they bring their own 🔥 & why they were embedded in the walls)

  • @eingoluq
    @eingoluq Рік тому +19

    The fight is a metaphysical fight. being metaphysical beings that fight was as real to them as any real fight. The final moves were a DC comics deep cut.
    Hope defeats Anti-Life
    Superman defeats Darkseid,
    Life forms have free will. Anti-Life destroys the concept of life by nullifying free will. the only way to defeat it is by boosting your will. blue lantern rings(hope) boosts Green lantern rings (will power)

  • @mourdinethesaharabian4298
    @mourdinethesaharabian4298 Рік тому +18

    I saw a comment explaining how during their game, Lucifer and Morpheus become whatever concept they invoke. To beat Morpheus, Lucifer would have had to become what kills hope, and lose any hope/chance of escaping Hell someday

  • @aBloodyMonk3y
    @aBloodyMonk3y Рік тому +22

    There are so many little things about this episode that I love. The fight, the dialogue, showing how Dream is perceived differently by whoever views him.
    But what I LOVE is HELL. I love how Hell is made of literal people. And I love that Lucifer's Castle/Throne Room is Vatican City. It's shrouded in fire and demons, but it's right there in front of us.

  • @TheAdammantium
    @TheAdammantium Рік тому +17

    I think John giving the amulet to Rosemary is what makes the show/story unlike any other. John isn't some 1-dimensional antagonist, he is doing what he believes is right; and Rosemary proves to John there are good people out there - and what he does is reward her for that.

    • @ShadowyFox_86
      @ShadowyFox_86 Рік тому +1

      John really is a broken child in an adult's body. Life isn't fair, and he's been subjected to that. He's lost so much in a short period of time, and he meets a women who is genuinely a good person, a good mother. He couldn't save his own mom, but I think her staying to continue to offer him a ride...that feels like him still trying to make up for not being able to save his own mother in the end.

  • @jordygallo266
    @jordygallo266 Рік тому +13

    "Unlimited pocket sand?" Manz sound like he never went to a beach before

  • @itsglitchy7
    @itsglitchy7 Рік тому +24

    i adored this duel, i was curious on how they would do it, like a typical titans exchanging blows type thing, so i was surprised but really happy with this! such a unique way of having powerful beings fight

    • @knightyagami7841
      @knightyagami7841 Рік тому

      Humans and Gods fight blow for blow Lucifer and the Endless are above that

    • @phoebusapollo8365
      @phoebusapollo8365 Рік тому +1

      And there is still power displayed, not only in how they hurt each other with just words, but also because they’re the few beings who can survive the invocation of novas and anti-life to continue the duel.

  • @placeboobshere5458
    @placeboobshere5458 Рік тому +8

    John Dee is Dr. Destiny from the comics. The same Dr. Destiny that was defeated by the Justice league. This is what happened to him afterwards. The show won't say it but he's supposed to be in Arkham Asylum.

  • @jordygallo266
    @jordygallo266 Рік тому +41

    "I was black once" lol, and knowing hes basically a immortal god i see why he turned white.😂

  • @michaelpusey9516
    @michaelpusey9516 Рік тому +7

    That last line about being able to dream was a direct shot at lucifer, because he also dream of going back to the silver city

  • @dungeonmaster16
    @dungeonmaster16 Рік тому +6

    16:00 the game of “I am” which as lupa said a lot of TCG combat is based on this. Play a creature, opponent plays theirs wifh power/defense that’s bigger then the other. Object is wipe it out and cause harm to the one that declares it.

  • @mizutanji-3874
    @mizutanji-3874 Рік тому +20

    Probably the most visually pleasing episode

  • @calebtoles3819
    @calebtoles3819 Рік тому +29

    Honestly I’m with Roshi, if I was an all powerful deity and a necessary piece of the puzzle for anything to exist and some human assholes started giving me lip. Smite. Done.

    • @michaelash8552
      @michaelash8552 Рік тому +5

      If we get a season 2 we might get to see that Dream isn't always that patient

    • @katara2021
      @katara2021 Рік тому +4

      Good for us then that some beings have empathy.

    • @placeboobshere5458
      @placeboobshere5458 Рік тому +2

      He's not an all powerful being. There are things he's not allowed to do. He answers to powers greater than himself.

  • @olisalad-8411
    @olisalad-8411 Рік тому +10

    My theory is that Lucifer did have the potential to beat 'Hope', but becoming something that would destroy hope would kill Lucifer's own hopes, which they couldn't do to themselves

  • @Charlie_Wolfe
    @Charlie_Wolfe Рік тому +23

    The duel reminded me so much of Merlin and Mad Madam Mim from Sword and the Stone I loved it

    • @0okamino
      @0okamino Рік тому

      Neil Gaiman would have been about 3 when the Disney film was released, and 22 years from even being born when the novel was published, so both are very likely to have served as some inspiration.

  • @saiyasha848
    @saiyasha848 Рік тому +4

    The trees being people is actually an allusion to Dantes Inferno. This is the forest for people who...got themselves here earlier then planned

  • @AlexMartinez-ts4mk
    @AlexMartinez-ts4mk Рік тому +5

    The rhyming demon at the gate is part of a cast of demon. They're fairly powerful

  • @__Oku__
    @__Oku__ Рік тому +23

    Dream randomly turning black actually gave me whiplash when I saw this the first time 😂

    • @Sesharon
      @Sesharon Рік тому +14

      He didn't turn black. Nor is he normally 'white' per-se. He appears differently to different people because he is a manifestation of a concept. We see him the way we do because that's Neil Gaiman's vision of Dream and he's telling the story, so from our 'objective' lens, he's a dude who looks like Robert Smith from The Cure. Nada on the other hand has never seen a white person before, she lived over ten thousand years ago. Aliens see Dream as one of their own too, and animals see him as an animal Dream. Heck, one of the spin-off comics features a planet of sapient flowers in which Dream appears as a black and white flower.

    • @__Oku__
      @__Oku__ Рік тому +2

      @@Sesharon Omg, chill out! I know!😂 I'm just exaggerating 🙄

    • @Sesharon
      @Sesharon Рік тому +2

      @@__Oku__ No worries, I'm chill. :P

    • @shagi2446
      @shagi2446 Рік тому +1

      @@__Oku__ literally the chilliest explanation ever, I didn't know about the flower part

  • @Alteronx
    @Alteronx Рік тому +5

    That woman threw her malenin decision making skills out the window

  • @SuddenReal
    @SuddenReal Рік тому +4

    It's not that you can't kill hope. It's that Lucifer still has hope they'll be able to return to Heaven and their old life. If they defeat Dream, it means they'll never be able to return. That's why Dream mentions that some in Hell dream of Heaven. He was talking about Lucifer specifically.

  • @phairine
    @phairine Рік тому +8

    Nada sees Sandman as the King of Dreams from her culture. Every culture, race, and even animals sees him as their own version of "god of dreams"

  • @zoomkaboom1
    @zoomkaboom1 Рік тому +10

    That lady in prison told Dream that she will not lose hope.Even after 10,000 years..... Which is what helped Dream win the battle in the end. Very creative writing.
    Btw, you guys were right, Christ is the Creator. He is too OP to be in this show LOL
    Good video reaction, yall are funny. God bless!

  • @KCohere33
    @KCohere33 Рік тому +6

    I don’t think Rosemary is as fast as you guys think she is to just run for the car and bolt off. Plus, she was probably scared out of her wits and frozen. I’m just happy she got to live. The comics are a different story.

    • @spiraljumper74
      @spiraljumper74 Рік тому +3

      Also the dude is doing straight magic, it’s not like she knows how it functions. For all she knows he could blink and fucking disassemble her with a thought.

    • @KCohere33
      @KCohere33 Рік тому

      @@spiraljumper74 Yes, also true. She saw him do just that to the clerk.

  • @rafuchoo
    @rafuchoo Рік тому +23

    This series really surprised me a lot, I did not expect anything, since Netflix lately is not putting out many good things, and this episode became one of my favorites, I would have liked Lucifer to be played by Tom Ellis, but Gwendoline Christie she also did an excellent job.

    • @ericstahmer720
      @ericstahmer720 Рік тому +8

      It helps that Netflix didn't actually produce this. they just bought the rights to stream it on their platform.

    • @vriskestrella6469
      @vriskestrella6469 Рік тому +8

      This portrayal of Lucifer is honestly a lot closer to how he's portrayed in the comics. Tom Ellis does a great performance, but its not *this* Lucifer.

    • @GodwynThePrinceOfDeath
      @GodwynThePrinceOfDeath Рік тому +6

      Tom wouldn't make for an intimidating Lucifer because we are so used to him being a goofball

    • @Patrick-jd1ku
      @Patrick-jd1ku Рік тому +6

      @@GodwynThePrinceOfDeath yeah, Tom's lucifer doesn't have the right level of casual disinterest and arrogance. Sandman Lucifer doesn't give a shit about 99.9% of other people/beings, but Tom!Lucifer, from what I've seen of the show, wants people to like him

    • @0okamino
      @0okamino Рік тому +2

      I think it would be very interesting to see how David Bowie (the original visual basis for this version of Lucifer) might have played the role. Unfortunately, he has been unavailable for some time now.

  • @skullknight4579
    @skullknight4579 Рік тому +4

    8:07 sheera face lmao,
    she really hate her power to forsee things now

  • @fatkidwithfudge
    @fatkidwithfudge Рік тому +4

    2:48 my reaction to that was pretty much the same. Considering all the wild things that happen in this show, that was the one part where I had to go nah. Ain't no way that would happen.

  • @HorrorGeek9
    @HorrorGeek9 Рік тому +5

    I love how tense the Rosemary and John scenes were in this episode.

  • @anthonyseeger3458
    @anthonyseeger3458 Рік тому +7

    Roshes the whole battle with Lucifer also really came down to is what if I took away your dreaming Lucifer what if you couldn't dream of going back to Heaven what if you couldn't dream of killing God and being the ruler. It was a giant middle finger to Lucifer saying yeah you make me stay here but you'll never dream of what you want ever again

  • @localthottie1255
    @localthottie1255 Рік тому +7

    Lucifer is not a woman, angels are sexless but he still goes by he/him pronouns

  • @newsoulsam3889
    @newsoulsam3889 Рік тому +2

    Regarding her not leaving the gas station, I'm sure most people are aware of fight or flight mode but less may be familiar that there is another fear response: freeze. That's probably what's happening here.

  • @TheAdammantium
    @TheAdammantium Рік тому +1

    With regards to the duel of wits, I read somewhere - and I believe it is plausible - is that the reason Lucifer has no rebuttal for 'hope' is because you have to BELIEVE it's possible to be countered. Which is why the first few quips with the animals is easy to use as they are naturally part of the circle of life. Whereas if Lucifer did think 'hope' can be countered, it means he BELIEVES his hope to get back to Heaven can be nullified, which he doesn't.

  • @sgcastle8389
    @sgcastle8389 Рік тому +12

    "I am a Gun, shot fired, a$$ burned"

    • @CloudyRythm
      @CloudyRythm Рік тому +1

      The fact that I read this with Lucifer's voice 💀

    • @sgcastle8389
      @sgcastle8389 Рік тому +2

      @@CloudyRythm that's funny, i wrote this with Morpheus voice in my head.

    • @CloudyRythm
      @CloudyRythm Рік тому

      @@sgcastle8389 lmao I'm imagining it rn

  • @mayaamis
    @mayaamis 3 місяці тому +2

    fun fact.. Dreams former love in hell.. Nada... her name literally means "Hope" in my language (Croatian), and few other slavic languages. and in the end Hope is what makes Morpheus win the duel, and it's even in the name of the episode. This was intentional from Gaiman :)

  • @julianfromlegal3740
    @julianfromlegal3740 Рік тому +3

    You know a series is good when a demon has bars

  • @natsinthebelfry
    @natsinthebelfry Рік тому +1

    "okay, so they're not actually fighting" except they're fighting in the most ultimate sense of fighting there is...

  • @Michaela_ZC
    @Michaela_ZC Рік тому +3

    As a weirdly gendered person, I really like that Lucifer is played by a woman, which is different from the classic depictions (and the original comic). That and the scene with Nada both suggest that ideas of gender and race are human concepts; formed by our biology and culture, and that beings like Demons and Endless predate those concepts. Lucifer isn't a woman, Dream isn't a man, they're concepts that exist beyond those ideas, and are being depicted that way for the viewer's convenience.

  • @leothal4778
    @leothal4778 Рік тому +4

    That fight was really amazing cuz they're transcendent beings

  • @dungeonmaster16
    @dungeonmaster16 Рік тому +1

    21:25 remember joker movie that he let the short guy leave? He mentions he was the only one nice to him and for that won’t harm him.
    From a UA-camr named filthy frank he did one that is mainly joke saying “and be good to that one weirdo for… you know. Just in case.” But he ain’t wrong and that applies to anyone.
    Be nice and don’t lie/manipulate ppl if you don’t wanna get bit in the ass or worst case become dead.

  • @saiyasha848
    @saiyasha848 Рік тому +3

    The rosemary thing is an intersting twist and I wonder if it is going to come back. There are two changes from the comic A)She was a white woman and B) he just shot her in the head when he was done. Oh and she didn't have a dog if I remember correctly.

  • @georgedomingo4543
    @georgedomingo4543 Рік тому +1

    “These visuals look crazy”
    Me a mobile user who sees it in different shades of very dark black: “Interesting”

  • @StekTM1
    @StekTM1 Рік тому +3

    Next episode is just a masterpiece
    Can't wait

  • @Revantaker
    @Revantaker Рік тому +3

    Lucifer: I am infinite.
    Dream: I am infinite + 1.

  • @mrsoul6825
    @mrsoul6825 Рік тому +4

    Wait, isn’t the necklaces still dangerous. If she has kids and they accidentally hit her wouldn’t it go off.

  • @onur6145
    @onur6145 Рік тому +1

    1:25 Alternate Kurapika? 🤣🤣🤣 I love this channel for this kind of references.

  • @darkmelodies2694
    @darkmelodies2694 Рік тому +2

    It's not that Lucifer couldn't find a reason to kill a hope, it's because they can't. Because even they have a hope, that one day they can return to heaven, because Hell's ruler is also it's first prisoner. And as Dream says, "What power would Hell have if those imprisoned here could not dream of Heaven?" And Lucifer definitely feels imprisoned.

  • @karottenkopf1520
    @karottenkopf1520 Рік тому +2

    Here's a nice quote to be remembered "Hell is made out of people"

    • @nadirmuhammad9357
      @nadirmuhammad9357 Рік тому +1

      If you're Quoting Sartre it's "Hell is other people"

  • @hamadasalad2589
    @hamadasalad2589 Рік тому +2

    Fave episode right here I'm ready for this 🙌

  • @MisterSadge
    @MisterSadge Рік тому +1

    When I first saw this episode and they reveal who Lucifer Morningstar is legit screamed "It's Brienne of fucking Tarth"

  • @Rensune
    @Rensune Рік тому +1

    In the DC universe, lower tier Demons HAVE to Rhyme.
    That's why Etrigan rhymes in almost every appearance.

  • @fortunelekoto6704
    @fortunelekoto6704 Рік тому +2

    loved the verbal battle between Dream and Lucifer

  • @Michaela_ZC
    @Michaela_ZC Рік тому +2

    I learned recently that the original comic is way goofier than the show. It has crazy visuals that make it more absurd. For instance, the "fight" in this episode was with that mowhawk demon, not lucifer, and was done at an Open Mic bar.

  • @paul-juniorblack6151
    @paul-juniorblack6151 Рік тому +9

    Between the coriolis effect and the YugiOh joke. I love how Lupa's humor is so varied. Like yeah he can do the loud and funny shit but he got really clever jokes too that are hilarious😂😂😂

  • @michaelpusey9516
    @michaelpusey9516 Рік тому +2

    The amulet of protection doesn't just protect John from attacks, it also pave the way so everything goes in his favor

  • @alisfy6891
    @alisfy6891 Рік тому +3

    Yo Roshi the stone ocean new batch just dropped just wanna let you know

  • @yermatedave4930
    @yermatedave4930 Рік тому

    I'm sure you get this every post, but goddamn, your opening animation is INCREDIBLE. Eternal props to the maker(s).

  • @biscuitninja
    @biscuitninja 11 місяців тому +1

    In DC a lot of the demons have rhymed their words. In latin Luciferus is actually lightbringer, the morning star.... Which is why in many stories. His name is Lucifer Morningstar.

  • @batbullet3315
    @batbullet3315 Рік тому +2

    I'm pretty sure someone has already pointed this out but the reason dream look different when he met nada is because everyone has their own dream therefore dream would look different to everyone he meets

  • @Misterrrnobody007
    @Misterrrnobody007 Рік тому +3

    Lucifer and Dream's battle was just kids playing pretend... lmao "The Oldest Game"

  • @marwanali4878
    @marwanali4878 Рік тому

    19:16 this is actually a reference to Lucifer dreaming of going back to heaven. That's why the hope speech Hit Lucifer hard as well

  • @dungeonmaster16
    @dungeonmaster16 Рік тому +1

    On nada meeting dream again. The endless are viewed differently to each living creature be human, animal, insect and such. They have a general look but their appearance does change depending on how that person view them.
    If s2 happens for sure they will tell the story between them.

  • @starbrand3726
    @starbrand3726 Рік тому +2

    Y'all are so going to Hell for showing RDJ Tropic Thunder. Rotflmao!

  • @jordygallo266
    @jordygallo266 Рік тому +1

    Been waitin for this.... knew it would come

  • @shaharadegan9993
    @shaharadegan9993 Рік тому

    Love watching you guys!

  • @oioioioi992
    @oioioioi992 Рік тому +2

    Bro had a rap battle w satan

  • @ricardocastro6320
    @ricardocastro6320 Рік тому

    I love you guys. You’re so smart and insightful.

  • @Morgan-bo1mr
    @Morgan-bo1mr Рік тому +1

    i interpreted dream being black is more because he doesn't really have a true form like that as endless and because that's the face she knew him to have

  • @79mib
    @79mib Рік тому

    Great job as always!

  • @atzukyniimura8
    @atzukyniimura8 Рік тому +1

    The girl in the cage, was tented by Desired for cheating Dream, for that him sent she to the hell (sorry my bad english)

  • @bp51082
    @bp51082 Рік тому

    The amulet of protection has a multitude of effects... It is compelling her to give him a ride

  • @jsthekiller788
    @jsthekiller788 Рік тому +1

    That lady still made better decisions than sheera did playing the Quarry.

  • @ryan25196
    @ryan25196 Рік тому +2

    Next two episodes finna go CRAZY❗❗❗❗❗

  • @gramps3351
    @gramps3351 Рік тому

    17:30 "I am him" Fuckin stoooop lmfaoo

  • @sushiwHo
    @sushiwHo Рік тому +1

    10,000 years ago, Dream and Nada were briefly in love. Nada was the queen of an African tribe known as the First People. One night, Nada glimpsed a man cloaked in darkness walking through her city and stopping beneath her tower. Nada fell instantly in love, and she used magic to learn that the mysterious stranger was Dream of the Endless. Nada's magic allowed her to enter the Dreaming to profess her love to the dream lord, whom her people call Kai'ckul. Dream fell in love with Nada, but, knowing that a mortal loving one of the Endless is forbidden, she rejected him. Still, Kai'ckul pursued her until they made love, but true to the warnings, Nada's city was instantly destroyed. Because she committed a sin, Nada killed herself, but Dream pursued her in the afterlife and asked her to be his Queen. When Nada rejected him several more times, Kai'ckul was angered and banished Nada to Hell, where she remained for 10,000 years. In Dream's mind, Nada betrayed him and their love, which he can't forgive. But Nada rejected Kai'ckul because their love was not meant to be, and her people were punished for her mistake.

  • @hindude4572
    @hindude4572 Рік тому +2

    Did they announce when new classroom episode is coming out?

  • @geardog24
    @geardog24 Рік тому +2

    Dream vs Lucifer
    The Epic Rap Battle of the Millennium

  • @jedelusional
    @jedelusional Рік тому +1

    "tell me lucifer morningstar, what power would hell have if those here imprisoned were not able to dream of heaven?" honestly gave me chills the first time i watched the episode! this quote will forever be etched in my memory. such a great, deep line worth pondering upon. great, insane delivery too by Dream!

  • @calebtoles3819
    @calebtoles3819 Рік тому +2

    I cannot wait for the next episode

  • @Streamss__
    @Streamss__ Рік тому

    Bro with the glasses is hilarious

  • @Agent719
    @Agent719 Рік тому +1

    Just to be clear, this comic came out in 89, so NGNL pulled a The Sandman.