The Sandman Episode 4 'A Hope in Hell' REACTION!!
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- A lead on the whereabouts of his helm compels Morpheus to seek an audience with Lucifer. A confused John receives a helping hand from a good Samaritan. Here's Nikki & Steven's reaction to episode 4 of The Sandman.
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They didn't do the traditional 'superhero fight' because they are both *beyond* that.
They are omnibeing... Their imagination alone could destroy the universe itself...
I just now realized you haven't seen Lucifer. You need to start that and fall in love with Tom Ellis.
🐺...This episode was a banger! That 'Battle' was so imaginative, bizzare, & beautiful, it just blew me away!
So much more interesting than 2 people fighting, it has to be one of the most memorable 'battles' I've ever seen...
I thought the music battle in Dr Strange 2 was cool, but this was just out of this world, literally! 🤘😁😎👍
“Tell me Lucifer Morningstar, what power would Hell have if those here imprisoned were not able to dream of Heaven?” is the coldest line in the entire series. Even in the comics when I read that I was like “GODDAMN!!! You ain’t gotta do Lucifer like that”
Dream dropped the mic so hard it created a new layer of Hell.
…and the look in Lucifer’s face shows that she knows he’s not just talking about all the damned souls, but Lucifer herself.
@@pduidesign Yes, even Lucifer dreams about Heaven and being forgiven.
Exactly! Dream gets in her head, and she's furious! When he says "Until then, Lightbringer" he's just twisting the screws and making it absolutely clear that she may be stronger than him, but he still won in front of everyone.
Yeah. You could see how pissed off Lucifer was! Dream beat her in front of all her generals, which is a literal embarrassment! Lucifer also knows that humanity dreams are linked to their hope which is one reason why dream is still such a very powerful adversary!!!
You're not ready for ep 5 and 6 they're my fav 💗 can't wait for ur reactions
Some of the best episodes of the year. From any show.
@@randycooper3428 ikr especially ep 5 like PEAK TELEVISION!!!
@@aexothicc yep 4, 5 & 6 are 🤌
Its unfortunate ive seen some people giving up after the first episode but it gets so much better.
@@nkxseal8398 no waaaayy!?? Well, they're really missing out... The thing ppl should know about the sandman is taht it's a story about stories so the serie changes so if they didn't like a certain ep they'll probably love another one..
One consequence of the way they adapted the "game" is that Dream forced Lucifer to *feel* hope, possibly for the first time in eons.
Yes and that had repercussions later on. ;)
The line "i am a dire wolf" is from comics
Episodes 4, 5 and 6 are my favourite episodes. So GOOD!!!
Been loving your guys' reactions to these, keep it up
Constantine in this a genderswapped constantine from the Keanu Reeves movie
They're both DC
This is the episode that shows what Dream really is, saying he is the Lord of Sleep really sells him short. If you unpack what dreams actually are they are an incredibly complex mess of imagination, creativity and emotions (both positive, like hope and negative, like fear). Dream is lord of all of that.
To deny hope means denying any chance of improving your situation. Its a fantastic gotcha moment, even the Devil has dreams.
And dreams specifically of returning to heaven.
The collective unconscious
Yup 😂
If you really think about it, dreams are so entrensic to our consciousness, our thoughts, our ambitions, imaginations, ideas, inspirations, purpose... he really is the King of Creation & life if you boil it down.
The Dreaming (the later of reality that Dream is the Lord of) is also the source of magic.
I like how Dream while talking about dreams of people, trapped in hell, is probably also talking about Lucifer herself, because shes also trapped there and probably dreaming of escaping or be forgiven.
It was a very personal cut on Lucifer.
It is also a formidable job on the part of Gwendolyne to portray how much the remark from dream hurt her on so many level. Her face is incredible.
It’s not so much Lucifer is trapped in Hell. He’s trapped in the role of being the King of Hell and overseeing the torment of beings sent there along with all the other things expected of The Devil. It’s considered a necessary job but is still a punishment for his rebellion. 10 billion years or so and counting…
This, exactly this. It felt like a direct threat to take the dream of Heaven away from her. I mean, apart from the slight that Lucifer was the bringer of Hope as an angel.
Unquestionably, and Gwendolyn Christie's reaction shot to that line captures that perfectly.
Morpheus is the personification of Deams, and every culture has their own version of a dream god/lord, so when he encounters mortals he appears however they expect their version of a dream lord to look
In the original comic Dream met The Martian Manhunter and John saw him as a burning pyre
And we get cat Dream later on in the series.
All the actors in this series are excellent but David Thewlis as John is such a powerhouse performance.
This show has a truly stellar cast.
He took a character that was basically a one-dimensional madman and turned him into a fully fleshed out character. He and Kirby deserve Emmys.
He might be getting a bit old now for the part, but I've always wanted to see Thewlis as the Doctor (Doctor Who)
At his most Thewlisy.
I can easily see how that role could be uninteresting to watch, but David's acting and line delivery makes it so captivating
My understanding of the Amulet of Protection is that it automatically reacts to those intending to harm the wearer. John doesn't actually do anything... he even warns people.
That is the exactly pourpose of the amulet, protection. People are confusing be cause who tried hurt Jonh were killed. The amulet doesn't let its owner dies, this is why Jonh's mother lived so long.
That's exactly how it works. The Amulet protects it's wearer from anything that would harm them, even death. And apparently it reacts to direct threads in a very direct, brutal and horrible way which I think is only apropriet for a supernatural item bought from a Duke of Hell. It did the same thing to the Corinthian when he was trying to hurt Ethel, only that for him, it wasn't the end because he is a Nightmare as opposed to a human, so he was neutralised as an immediate thread but was able to return.
but john by leading people to attacking him indirectly directly murders people
Dream is not a white human male. That's just how he appears to some people. In the comics, when he meets Martian Manhunter (from the Justice League), Dream appears as a green Martian dream God. If a cat is dreaming, he might look like a cat. We don't know what The Endless look like in their actual form. We just see their 'anthropomorphic representations'.
It's kind of meta when you realize that he looks like a white human male to *us* specifically because that's what's considered normal in our culture.
he's actually appear in the bonus episode as something else. :-)
@@elbruces I wish more people would consider this before complaining about the casting. Such ignorant comments. The Endless have no race, sex, sexuality, or biology. Of course a 1989 comic would have a white skinny Sioxie goth Death. Of course that wouldn't make sense in 2022.
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No, it still makes sense which is why we see him as Tom Sturridge.
@@CarrotFlowers421 Exactly. Death herself was based on a woman Neil knew. It’s just the limitations of media that the endless need a look they’re mostly known by so we know who is who when in actuality they take the form that makes most sense to those who are perceiving them
I think a lot of people pick up a Game of Thrones reference, but the dire wolf is actually straight from the comic (Vol 2. #4), which was published in 1989, and the first GoT novel was published in 1996. Just a happy coincidence that the line is spoken by an actor who was on the GoT show.
Dire wolves were actually real animals. Though extinct, they did exist and not merely creations of the imagination.
The Endless are personifications of universal concepts (Death, Dream, Desire etc.), so they appear differently to everyone according to culture and belief
Maybe I've read too much Pratchett, but the way I see it is that the mortal mind can't possibly make sense of the personification of a raw universal concept manifesting itself in the physical world, so it gives up to avoid going insane or worse and just sort of makes something up on the spot.
@@mbpoblet that is indeed how it works in Terry Pratchett's works, in The Sandman universe it's slightly different (based on the comics)
@@mbpoblet this is also how we see the color pink.
@@mbpoblet The Endless are macro-cosmic and omni-versal conceptions, but they also have a form of directed agency/consciousness/sentience so they modify their appearance to be like a mirror that allows humans to grok it.
Pratchett and Gaiman were(still are, really) great great friends and their cosmology foundations overlap inextricably.
Cut from the same cloth and all that.
Tldr; Both. It's boffum.
So a fun fact: Tom Ellis, who played Lucifer Morningstar in the Lucifer show was considered to play Lucifer again but Neil Gaiman felt that that portrayal did not fit his intended image for the show.
i love tom ellis version of lucifer but having read sandman and mike carrey's his version doesnt reall fit in the universe.. but yeah it was cool that gaiman was was also cool with the tom ellis version
would've been good to see an extended lucifer universe, but since they didn't use the cw constantine either, i guess it makes sense. tom is more fun devil than menacing devil anyway.
love toms lucifer but yeah wouldnt fit at all
I seem to recall (but can't find the article now) Neil Gaiman said that he loves the Tom Ellis version of Lucifer, and would like to see that Lucifer and Sandmans Lucifer to meet in a "DC multiverse" type moment. I could have dreamed (Ha!) that though.
I think Tom Ellis could have played this Lucifer really well. I think the problem is that he is so inexorably tied to the performance of the character in the show that if he tried to play the role differently in something like sandman there would be people complaining he isn't consistent with his portrayal on the show.
John actually kills her at that point in the comics, but then John is a different character (well, not that different but different enough), being an actual Super Villain from DC Comics (in Batman's rogue gallery iirc). I think he is highly improved with this change. And, in other note, it's cute when you say episode 4 is your favourite. As Homer Simpson would say: 'your favourite episode... so far' :D Brace yourselves for 5 and 6...
Not just Batman, but the whole Justice League.
and then brave yourself for the steep downhill of 7-9
Aww you shouldn't have spoiled. They might read them after watching. Consider deleting this.
@@CarrotFlowers421 In all likelihood, they're actually several episodes past this. Reactors tend to keep their reactions exclusive to Patreon for a couple weeks before putting the edited versions on UA-cam. Also, 'It gets better' is hardly spoiling anything.
John in the comics battled the entire Justice League as Dr Destiny. There weren’t many connections to super heroes in the book, but I remember at some point early on, the Martian Manhunter appeared, and he also saw Dream quite differently.
Episodes 4, 5 & 6 are my favorites. That battle between Lucifer and Morpheus was amazing and Gwendolyn's facial expressions throughout was spectacular. Love her as Lucifer 😈🔥
Spot on. Episode 6 was my favorite.
Also the bonus episode imo.
Love those episodes, but I also think the bonus episodes were exceptional.
@@commiebastard3633 Yeah, 11 is up there with 4 and, especially, 5 and 6; perfect adaptations of some of the best stories in the books.
@@commiebastard3633 ya know, I forgot about 11 ngl lol. But you guys are right, it's up there with em 🔥
So it wasn't so much John doing all the killing as the Amulet itself, it reacts to defend him by destroying that which attempts to harm him. He knew that, which is why he talked and acted the way he did when people threatened him with harm. The Ruby on the other hand, that's a whole different ballgame as you will see.
The dire wolf isn't a GoT reference. It's from the comic, which was written well before GoT ever was.
But by specifically hiring her in the role it inadvertently became a GoT reference
@Brad1980 they really existed, but went extinct, and so fell into myth and legend along with animals like giant Eagles and mammoths.
Gwendoline Christie is amazing as Lucifer Morningstar. She gives Lucifer this sense of regality and supreme authority that sadly we didn’t get much of in the Lucifer show. And the fact that the walls of hell are made of damned souls is so creepy but awesome at the same time. Plus the “duel” between them was like nothing I’ve ever seen before.
I do wish we had gotten Tom Ellis and Lesley Anne-Brandt back as Lucifer and Mazikeen respectively because they were so perfectly cast before, and Neil Gaiman especially loved Tom as Lucifer, but I’m still happy we have who we have. It’s like exchanging a Lamborghini for a Ferrari.
Also this episode proves that adaptations can sometimes be better than the original. In the comics Morpheus doesn’t duel Lucifer but Coronzon, and it doesn’t take place in that awesome throne room but in a sort of jazz club with Morpheus and Coronzon on stage on mics and the kings of hell (yeah Lucifer rules with 2 other kings) in VIP seats. And John Dee in the comics straight up murders the nice woman who drives him after she drops him off. But I much prefer that not only does he spare her but also gives her his amulet of protection because he thinks she is worth saving.
Before they revealed Lucifer I was absolutely dying for it to be Tom Ellis but I definitely don't hate that they went with Gwendoline as shes awesome in her own right.
@@fritos1445 I legit can’t deal with the English accent of Tom Ellis 😭
I actually like that it wasn't Tom. He's become too much of a "good guy Lucifer" in my opinion by watching his show. Gwendoline adds a menace and a malevolent superiority that really makes Lucifer feel dangerous and just one wrong comment away from destroying you.
@@QuayNemSorr He wouldn’t be a good guy Lucifer though. He would be under a different script, different setting, different atmosphere. He’s an actor he knows how to act
@@tellyg47 True. But we know the actor and the character from a different context so it wouldn't feel natural. Like is he supposed to be the same character we know from his own show, or a separate interpretation or a different dimension or whatever since he's now obviously an antagonist. It wouldn't work at all.
The 'oldest game' has a neat twist to the end, as Lucifer can't destroy Hope without denying his hope of returning to Heaven. And if you've watched the Lucifer TV show you may recognise Mazikeen aka Maze
I love how they make you think Rosemary had no hope while having Dream use hope to defeat Lucifer in the oldest game. Very cool juxtaposition that you don’t even realize is happening.
"“And what will you be then, Dreamlord?”
*“I am hope.”*
All at once, everything changed. The barroom that was the plains of hell fell dead silent, and wide eyes stared from every corner. From the lowliest imp to the demon kings, everyone was stunned and left staring at the man who’d brought *Hope* into *Hell."* - Fear by Ryuugi
This Ryuugi cliffhanger was especially hard for me. I know he doesn't finish most of his stories but he left it so close to a climax...
Nikki, you are very perceptive about Hell seeming like the movie Constantine...because John Constantine is also in the original Sandman DC graphic novel (Johanna Constantine in this TV series iteration). And, that movie took a lot of design cues from Sandman and the Constantine comics. There were a lot of DC characters that made appearances in the Sandman, but with this being a Netflix property, they had to kinda remove those direct ties to the comic.
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I remember getting anxious and worried for Rosemary in this episode because I know what had happened to her in the comics (spoilers, obvs) but I was so relieved they didn't take that route. 😌
Also, I've watched your GoT reactions before and I love your reaction to seeing Gwendoline Christie! ❤️
Great reaction, by the way. Can't wait for the next couple of episodes!
The whole series is a masterful and very faithful adaptation, but in John Dee's case deviating from the books was definitely for the better; David Thewlis and the changes made to the character turned a one-dimensional and rather forgettable DC tie-in villain into one of the most memorable characters in the series.
I am actually glad that I didn’t read the comics before this ep - I would have been so sure it would have ended up like the comic (and been pleasantly surprised), but this way without prior knowledge I was so back and forth thinking, is he going to kill her?? Nah he wouldn’t, wait would he?? And of course I was worried for Susie! This episode was so good :)
Morpheus rhymes to the rhyming demon to get him to open the gate. Suicide Forest has grown since he last visited. It might amuse you to know that Lucifer's look in the comic was based on David Bowie, and the duel actually did take place in The Hellfire Club. The duel in the show skips a couple of moves, but it started with a dire wolf when it was written decades ago. Whenever you see the light in Dream's eyes, it *is* the universe. Originally, John shot her dead once he had his ruby; this was a nice surprise for those already familiar with the story.
Hope is such a master stroke of a response to Lucifer specifically. They can't counter that as that would counter their very reason for being, the hope they are either RIGHT or can REDEEM themselves. Not to mention the more direct attack later with dreaming of heaven (really, again, hope) for those imprisoned there.
Ethel didn't alter the Ruby, John stole it from his mother and he altered it. Ethel exchanged the Helm for the protection pendant from the demon Corazon (Edit: Choronzon). But I agree with you, this episode was my favorite, even out of the entire show.
Speaks well of the show that people have so many different opinions over which is their favorite episode.
the way you spelled the demon's name means "heart" in spanish....
@@juliocesarg.r.1238 Yeah, I should've spelled it Choronzon.
John isn't actively hurting people here... the amulet is an amulet of protection so basically if someone is going to hurt John the amulet stops that from happening by attacking them.
The person in the petrol station had a gun at John and presumingly fired it so the amulet protected it's wearer and destroyed the threat.
John does not control the amulet.... however, he does control the Ruby ( which you will see in next episode)
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A reason for Lucifer losing is one their arrogance and two even Lucifer still has hope they can return to heaven one day. Lucifer maybe more powerful but they still fell to the position of Hell because of Pride and Arrogance and Dream was very much aware.
It's also the fact that you have to be able to embody the concept/creature you present in the Traditional Game. Despair is the obvious antagonist to hope, but for Lucifer to embody despair, means that they have to abandon all their hopes of returning to the Silver City, which is something they were psychologically incapable of doing, despite being one of the Firstborn.
If anyone reading that comment is curious about using they/them pronouns, lucifer in Gaiman's universe never has a stated gender and is treated as gender-less so this is extremely appropriate.
@@CarrotFlowers421 He uses male pronouns in the comics. He's definitely not a ''they/them''. Yeah, he doesn't have a penis but he has sex multiple times. He probably just creates one.
Steven: "And we are on our way to hell"
Drinks at 6, Dinner is at 7 Try not to be late.....oh wait you're talking about the show...Nevermind
"What power would Hell have if none here could dream of Heaven?".
That has been one of my favourite lines in comics for over 30 years.
The idea that Hell is cold, 🥶 and those condemned to Hell have to bring their own fire 🔥 was such an interesting concept!
(Perhaps, this idea didn’t originate from this series, but it’s a unique take I hadn’t heard before. 🤔)
Like a lot of takes on Hell in modern media, it might stem from Dante's Inferno, where the lowest level of Hell, reserved for traitors and kinslayers, is a frozen lake.
It is EXTREMELY difficult to transfer the story from the comic medium to the tv show medium. So much story is conveyed (in the comics) by use of color, text position, word bubble size and font, and positioning of the frames and characters and layout in general. I think this show does a good job in doing the adaptation despite some changes.
THE OUTLANDER SERIES is sooo good you should check it out!
Dire wolves were real animals xD long before game of thrones
Direwolf has nothing to do with game of thrones, its a real extinct species
In DC hope is the most powerful thing, 2nd to Anti life.
Superman is a symbol of hope and Darkseid uses the anti life equation so this fight in The Sandman is basically a higher scale version of that.
I love when dream is leaving it almost looks like he's strutting. That kind of I won movement
This is THE BEST series I have seen in a very very very long time. So intelligent and thought-provoking. This series and especially episode 4 needs to win an Emmy or there is something very very wrong with the world.
The battle between Lucifer and the Sandman has to be THE BEST combat scene I have ever seen in a TV series or movie. I fully expected both of them to start firing lasers at one another; however, what actually happened was SO MUCH BETTER and SO MUCH MORE EPIC.
I have watched numerous NETFLIX series. This is definitely THE BEST OF THE BEST. WOW!!! I honestly cannot adequately do this series justice with words alone. More please.
During the trek through Hell, Dream sees an old love (from 10,000 years ago). The story goes that The Endless could never fall in love with a mortal...it was forbidden. She was an African chieftain's daughter, and they fell in love. She became pregnant by him, and committed suicide , killing both her and the baby. That was what he couldn't forgive. That is why she is still in Hell.
Dream is like the nicest guy. Everyone is afraid of him but throughout the series he's been a nice dude
Ummmmmmm no
What he done to Nada is no where near good. Banished her to literal Hell for 10.000 years ++ because she choose her people over him ? nah bro. But heyy, Nada is free later in the comics, but still, he aint a good man, but not bad either
@@gethina-come7885 he's very flawed but that makes for a much more interesting character.
@@CarrotFlowers421 ofc, it would be boring if they were like all powerful, no room to grow, i cant wait to see Daniel Hall in next season
Funny Nikki said that it reminded her of Constantine because when I was a kid in the 90s collecting comics I use to get The Sandman comic mixed up with the Hellblazer comic which had Constantine all the time.
Such a good episode.
And next episode, John can save the world, and everything will be great!
And that’s the truth!
You should watch TV Show Lucifer, its amazing and i think you would like it (its about Lucifer Morningstar, other angels and demons)..plus its also funny 👍
Dream's appearance changes with the times, culture, and environment. 10,000 years ago Dream met and fell in love with a woman in Africa. Naturally he wouldn't look like a pasty pale White man, he could never blend in nor would she have been attracted to him.
No, Dream used the sand to summon the Helm, something he could only do when near the Helm's location. The demon just happen to be holding it at the time so he came as well.
Idk if anyone else made this connection but notice how Luci’s palace is high up a tower hundreds of feet from the ground separated by the rest of the demons. If you know the origin of Luci and how he/she was exiled to hell and also recall Dream’s line, “what power would hell have if those here imprisoned were not able to dream of Heaven”. So I guess you could say that she dreams/hopes that one day she will be forgiven and accepted back to heaven by separating herself from the demons and being closer to heaven. And that’s the power that Dream have over her and everything else.
Picking a champion and "dire wolf" come directly from the Sandman issue this is based on, published in 1988. GRRM didn't publish his first GoT book until 1996. If anything, GoT stole from Sandman.
the battle of Dream and Lucifer is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen on screen that scene is a work of art
loved this reaction. i honestly lost it when Nikki said ''i am a pharmacist" XD
the swagger that dream had in this episode was so fun to watch,he outsmarted lucifer,even tho hes weaker then lucifer power wise,he cound influence hes demons if he wanted to thats how powerfull he is.
The original art for Lucifer was based on mid 70s David Bowie--androgenous. Also, Gwendolyn Christie specifically requested playing Lucifer. I LOVE all this.
Episodes 4, 5 and 6 are the best by a mile.
Not that the others aren’t good, but those 3 are phenomenal.
I love the moment where Dream is approaching the gates of the palace and Hell rolls out the red carpet for him. It's fitting for a guest of his stature. But it's Hell so the red carpet is made of blood.
The Battle of Wills between Lucifer and Morpheus was beyond amazing; i can't remember seeing anything like that in any other show. As much as Tom Ellis was amazing as Lucifer, Gwendolyne was a dream cast as the Morningstar.
As a DC fan too, i'll admit as soon as I heard Lucifer mention Anti-Life, my mind immediately thought of Darkseid. The Hope reference too, reminded me of a particular Son of Krypton 😊 This show is just so rich with it's lore and storytelling 💙
One of the many cool things about this episode in the comics, and one that's almost impossible to translate to film because of the different "language" of both mediums, is that the bubbles of dialogue in the battle of wits are getting bigger and bigger with each "I am...", both duellists are basically trying to come up with a bigger, more powerful, thing to outsmart their opponent. Choronzon's style (in the comics, he's the one fighting Dream, here they chose Lucifer to make it more interesting, desperate and menacing I suppose, which is understandable) is pretty much coming up with the biggest, most deadly and powerful thing ever to win, but Dream takes the battle to another direction, and while Choronzon's bubble of dialogue is big and filled with text, Dream's bubble of dialogue has only 3 little words: "I am hope". And then he wins. To realize something so little but so powerful could win, it's genius. It's a pretty cool way of winning, and it's shown powerfully both in content (what hope means) as in style (how this little word is shown to defeat other concepts that seem grandiose and with more "weight" in text). It's one of my favourite moments of this issue.
Here the battle was epic and I loved it, but maybe Matthew trying to pep talk Dream was too much for me, it felt disjointed from the seriousness of the battle.
But regardless, this episode was fantastic and a great adaptation. Hell as a location was amazing. And Gwendoline Christie was magnificent as Lucifer. I love her design: immaculate, tall, one tone robes... and her acting: she almost doesn't move at all, like movements are superfluous, it's all in her presence... it also looks like she's trapped, almost as she's bound from head to toe, with no liberty to move (which I feel is a great reference to Lucifer being punished by God and being stripped of his/her glory); her menacing but oddly calm voice (like an angry - but not yelling - mother talking to a child); her sarcasm and display of power in every sentence... It was glorious. I love that Gwendoline was chosen for the role, because she has this like androgynous look sometimes and she's very beautiful too, so she has more than one "face". In the comics, Lucifer is based on David Bowie, so to me only 2 people would have been perfect for the role: either Bowie himself or a younger Tilda Swinton, Gwendoline Christie proved me she was perfect too.
🙋🏽♀️🤓 Gwendoline Christie/Lucifer was not referencing GoT by mentioning “dire wolves” nor “picking your champion”. Dire wolves were a real animal that roamed the Americas for at least 250,000 years, until it became extinct towards the end of the last ice age around 13,000 years ago. During the Middle Ages a feature of Anglo-Norman law was trial by battle, a procedure in which guilt or innocence was decided by a test of arms. Clergy, children, women, and persons disabled by age or infirmity had the right to nominate champions to fight by proxy. I know you guys love GoT, but I promise you most of the conceptualized society George R. R. Martin presented was based on things that actually DID once already exist in the real world and MANY fantasy writers will reference them and will have nothing to do with GoT. 😏
Haven't you watched the Lucifer series on Netflix yet? It's formidable, comical and passionate... The Devil goes on vacation to Los Angeles... his name is Lucifer Morningstar who has a pentehouse and lives with his servant Mazikeen...
Nada's culture existed 10,000 years ago in Africa. It would be weird if she saw the anthropomorphic manifestation of Dreams as a white British man.
The Endless change forms as appropriate to the culture or species they are dealing with.
Steven....John doesn't have to react...the Amulet of Protection will destroy whomever attacks him while he is wearing it. Now it will do the same for Rosemary.
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John killed Rosemary even though she helped him. It was particularly evil and gratuitous. Watching this episode, I was almost ill knowing that moment was coming. But apparently, they changed it for the show to make John a bit more tragic and relatable. Whew!
The battle between Lucifer Morningstar and Morpheus reminded me of the wizard's duel in Disney's "Sword in the Stone," between Merlin and Mad Madam Mim. Check it out.
Fascinatingly, in the comics, Rosemary dies... and they deliberately changed that in the show to tell those who'd read the comic books that they couldn't rely on what they had read in the comics to know what was going to happen in the show. Removal of DC Comic elements, and the changes to characters (like Lucien becoming Lucienne and John Constantine becoming Joanna Constantine) gave a clue to that... but this was one of the first elements that _really_ let people know they weren't following the same road that they had in the comics. Not exactly, at least.
Matthew is voiced by Patton Oswalt whose a comedian. I agree he's not my favorite choice for the role (I prefer Andy Serkis in the audio version) but he does love the series and has since it came out in the early 90's so I kinda forgive it.
I thought that Gwendoline Christie was pretty terrible as Lucifer, it felt too stiff and awkward. Not enough gravitas and sinister undertones.
Dream does appear different to those who perceive him. He would look completely different amongst all cultures and more because it’s what makes sense to those perceiving him. Even aliens see him differently.
He looks the way he does to us so as the audience can identify him easily when though we ~know~ he doesn’t have a true form
I was a little bummed about this episode mainly because they could have introduced people to a character i LOVE.
In the comic, he is a Demon, and he guided Dream to Morningstar. His name is Etrigan, probably one of the coolest demons in the DC universe, that and he rhymes, oh and he punched superman into space.
It is because he’s a DC character that he didnt show up, but I agree he was awesome :)
You don't see him for the same reasons you don't see Batman or the Martian Manhunter who were in the comics. The show isn't using the better known characters from the main DC universe. Even the obscure ones that are used aren't exactly like their comic book versions
Fun fact: Lucifers wings are 100% real when they are not moving and all of Gwendolines outfits were made by her partner
Yes, and I hated that white wrinkled outfit SO much! The others weren't THAT bad, but overall I'm not a fan of the styling of Lucifer. That wig is horrible. LOL. Her performance is great, and Giles is not without talent. I adored all the outfits he made for her character in Flux Gourmet. But I'm not a fan of his work here. Some of the stitching looks crooked af.
The reason why Lucifer could not stop Dream when he mentioned Hope is because if she wouldve killed hope she wouldve ended the hope in herself of ever escaping Hell.
I may be mistaken but I think the way Morfeus battles Lucifer is taken straight from Arturian lore. I can't remember which two characters duelled like this (possibly Merlin and Morgane?) but the mechanics were the same. Except Gaiman improved it in a similar fashion Tolkien improved Macbeth...
If you read Dante's inferno, all of the suicides in hell are living trees I believe. I haven't read it in a while, but I remember this
Dream does indeed appear differently to people, because he and his siblings aren't human, their true selves is incomprehensible to humans. They take the shape of humans but can look completely different depending on that person's views and culture. Also John altered the gem not ethal.
🐺Great episode. As good as the show has been to this point I really think the show really starts picking it up from here in my opinion. Can't wait for Cobra Kai later today.
Watched the first 3 episodes of season 5 already lol
Oh no…did I hear that Nikki didn’t know the devil had a last name?! Does that mean they haven’t reacted to the show Lucifer yet?! If not they need to!!!!
I believe in the comics John does kill Rosemary. I like how they switched it up for the show.
Lucifer can’t give up hope of one day successfully conquering heaven.
You guys please react to Lucifer on Netflix. You will have a blast
"he would never have to go to hell, he's an angel" Isnt the actual devil lucifer an angel? :p
I'd love to suggest to you watching and posting your reactions to the show "Good Omens" which is also written/created by Neil Gaiman ( same as Sandman). It's a wonderful beautiful show it has a beginning and ending it ran for so many episodes and was done but they are doing a season 2. It is beautiful and I highly suggest that you watch it if you haven't already!!
"It remind me of the movie Constantine".
Heh. Funny story, there . . .
Gwendoline Christie’s fantastic as Lucifer! I’d put her right up there w/ Tilda Swinton as the Arch Angel, Gabriel. Image BOTH angelic actresses together in a show/movie! 🤯NOW THAT’D BE GOLD!
The fact that Lucifer could have taken another shot at Morpheus, but didn't is so telling in the fight scene. That's probably the first time in so long that Lucifer has ever felt anything even close to hope, and couldn't bring themselves to kill it.
hehe every episode was awesome.. my favourite was the one with Hob Gadling
Antilife = Darkside / Hope= Superman
I believe John altered the ruby, not Ethel. Didn’t he say that he changed it so only he could use it?
yes! john altered it
Great reaction, you two! And props for figuring out that the endless change depending on who is looking at them.
Yes, everyone sees Dream differently
episode 6 is my favorite episode,.. it caught me so off guard at how beautiful it was..
Incredible show. Awesome reactions 👏
"I am a Pharmacist" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Episode 4, 5, 6 are my favorites. However ep. 6 is the absolute no1 and most memorable for me.
Same for me
I would also add episode 11
Calliope was amazing
Just one correction, John stated that he altered the gem. Can't wait for your reactions to the next episode. Prepare yourselves! Actually all the episodes that follow. When will the next be released?
Sandman is one of the most incredible comics that i ever readed.
Yeah Matthew's voice really grated on me. I have now become accustomed. I love this episode SO much. What a battle. totally beyond a petty struggle of physical bodies. And Gwendoline played Lucifer with this hint of brittle pain behind Lucifer's every fake smile. I totally believe it's the same character as Netfix's Lucifer.
About Matthew's voice -- for quite a while, I just kept hearing and imagining HAPPY from that tv show.
I really love yall take on this show
Here's something that they never explain in this series: Lucifer Morningstar as played by Gwendolyn Christie is the exact same character as the Lucifer Morningstar as played by Tom Ellis in the TV series "Lucifer." And by that, I don't mean "they're both playing the Devil with the name Lucifer Morningstar." I mean it is literally the same character, from the same comic book.
The Ellis version really isn't all that connected outside of the basis for the concept. There is no real reconciliation with the rakish, sex addicted party boy of the tv show, and the apathetic brooder in the comic who's absolutely done with the Universe's bullshit.
@@hermeticallysealed1 Isn't that connected, except for being the exact same character, from the exact same source material, created by the exact same writer.
His appearence change in 11:20 because every person seems Dream differently, based on the person who is seeing him.
I loved this show, im happy you guys are liking it too, some amazing episodes coming up. Thanks for the reactions!