I really like to watch these videos cuz i'm Brazilian and it's very useful and easy to learn English while i'm watching a really good content about catholicism, I want to be a catechist in my parish to and your channel is helping me a lot. Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷
330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics. Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone who supported it will get eternal damnation. That means every catholic. If you join this club, you go to hell, according to Jesus.
my question sounds classic, but yet i can't understand the monotheistic of the concept of trinity. does this concept sound monotheistic to you? or do the christians have different grasp of monotheism? why jesus forbid people to give him reverence as what people give to God? why jesus laments the absent of God in the cross? why it is forgiveable to speak against him, but against the holy spirit is otherwise? even when i accept jesus as god, i can't see the identicality of him and other aspects of holy trinity. when you want to conforms the holy trinity with monotheism, you have to see and show the identicality of the three aspects of holy trinity, right?
My main question about Catholicism, is that the basis for the Church’s foundation, is the verse from Matthew when Jesus says “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.” If Jesus spoke in not so straightforward terms, why then not believe he meant the fact that he either changed Simon to Peter, because of his authority, or the fact that he called him out of his Sin, to be reborn because of his authority, that is the foundation. Not literally Peter and his beliefs or faith is the rock and foundation… Jesus’ use of the word Rock is found again in his sermon on the mount where he says “Therefore, everyone who hears these words of mine is like a wise man who has built his house on the rock,” which indicates that it’s the word of God that is the rock, not Peter himself. That’s what I struggle with is that the interpretation of Matthew 16:18-19 that was agreed upon by a group of people is the basis for the Church who practice things so closely resembling Jewish Law and Greek and Roman traditions, where does Jesus or Paul say that we should pray to the Saints? Where does He say we should pray to Mary? Where does He say that we should make a worship ritual for the relics of His? His chalice, His crown of thorns? Even the Old Testament states that worship and prayer are to be directed at the one God. It seems as though these practices of praying and worshiping these items and people are hitting the bullseye, just on the wrong target. Hopefully you can help shed some clarity on this for me.
Jesus taught us how to pray in the lord's prayer, Catholics say it every day at mass, they really shoud know. Jesus said: pray our Father which is in heaven. He didn't say pray to my mom or my Apostles. Timothy 2:5,6 Jesus is the mediator between God and men. On the subject of the rock, I believe it was what Peter said that is what the church would be built on. And I believe it is Christianity that is Jesus's Church he spoke about. And Jesus has alot of Christian Churches.
@@darryldavis436 yes. I find it odd too, that if the Catholics really believe that Peter is the rock… then how come Peter betrayed the Gospel in Antioch by segregating himself from the non Jewish Christians which made Paul, who was given the task of spreading Christianity outside of the Jews, check Peter and call him a hypocrite? I’d argue in saying Paul was the leader of the Apostles, after Jesus’ resurrection, not Peter. Paul straight up checked everyone.
Catholics use Peter so they can have a connection with the Apostles and their own denomination of Christianity, but I am unsure if Peter ever was a pope. The Romans killed Peter and Paul. And I know he would Never want people to bow down to him and kiss his hand like they do the pope. Acts 10:25 -26 Cornelius fell down at Peter's feet and Peter said: stand up, I too am a man. Catholic are Christians, but twist the word around to fit their needs.@@DYLANANDRE
@@DYLANANDREYes Peter was checked by Paul, Peter was human and sinned, just as all Popes are human and sinned as well, doesn’t take his authority away, and as for the “Rock” we see in the Old Testament Abraham is also referred to as the “rock” not just God.
Struggling with my faith, I was raised Catholic and I've been having the urge to get back to church but struggle with some things and this is one of them. Thank you for this.
Read the bible friend. Sounds like you are struggle with your religion and not your faith, remember you can have relationship with the lord and not have religion. Pray and read the gospel, start reading John and pray for wisdom and guidance so that you may glorify him. Good luck
@@brandonedwards1181 I think I'll stick with the religion Jesus started and wants us to follow. You can't see that because you're using your private interpretation of scripture. You'll remain in error until you accept the interpretation of the Holy Spirit entrusted to his Catholic Church.
So so .why though I believe in the Bible.All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17
My friend im a catholic and and i barely understand the whole praying to saint things because i never did, neither did my parents or grandfather. Granted, as a kid i barely paid attention in Sunday school so i honestly dont remember how the intercession of saints makes sense or why we do it.
@@thomastome8396 that’s quite simple. Because the Bible tells us the angels and saints carry our prayers to God. And also because the Bible tells us (and shows us) that Christ is not the God of the dead but the living. So we believe when we ask saints to pray for us they do so just as if you ask your friend to pray for you and they do. Why would you ask someone to pray for you but not a living saint? We also see the saints alive with Christ in the New Testament.
@@benjaminallen6269 absolutely not. I was a Protestant but learned christianity and became Catholic. My point was how can anyone be Protestant today? It’s way too easy to debunk. There’s a reason why there was only Catholic orthodoxy for 16 centuries. Protestantism is obviously a false religion.
I chuckled even harder when I saw an online video of catholic putting his life at risk trying to save a burning image of a “saint” while others screamed “sacrilege!” But somehow we are to accept the lie that Catholics don’t worship “saints”.
One of these days, some Catholic is going to come along who is sick and tired of explaining to you Pharisees that the "saints" are simply all the people who are in Heaven, and just as they do, we worship God alone. They will also be tired of explaining the difference between prayer and worship, which are wrongfully lumped together. Instead of explaining for the thousandth time the self-regurgitating lie that others tell themselves, they'll just say "You know what? Believe whatever you want. See where turning your back on God and His Sacraments leads." But I don't think that Catholic would be doing his job very well, so it might be better to actually take what he might say to heart, and instead of listening to all the sycophantic voices online about it, why not actually invest some time in prayer on it and even go talk to people at a parish about it? Happy Easter!
@@Multipurpose_Bagel Maybe that catholic will do something that you nor any other catholic presently does, which is cite chapter and verse where Christians are instructed to pray to “saints”. Maybe he or she will explain why is it that when I have visited cathedrals what I hear is praise to dead saints. Some of these Catholic Churches have songs in which they worship their saints. Any communication with the dead, even praying, is forbidden in the Old Testament and not taught in the New Testament. You know what other thing that fictional catholic can do? Is tell us why do Catholics insist on spreading the false doctrine of the purgatory. Where in the Bible does it mention or even describe such a place? Also while that mystical person is at it, maybe that catholic can explain why does your church teach the everlasting virginity of Mary, her supposed immaculate conception, and that she was taken up to heavens in BODY and spirit despite the Bible not supporting any of it. Your kind should be the last one calling others Pharisees. Your church is grounded on false traditions while ignoring biblical truth. Just like, oh yes, the Pharisees.
@@esze8807 With love, when you use phrases like "your kind", it's all the more telling you can't even read a comment that has nothing to do with doctrine, or scripture, or tradition, - in this case it was about one line in the video I found humorous - without trying to stone someone. Are you this much of a buzzkill in person? :P To answer your question, God is the source of all creation, through whom all other forms of being come into existence. He also does not stand opposed to what He created, rather He delights in all creation, and invites that creation to partake in Him and His designs. Meaning, we can give credit and honor to other things, without somehow lessening our love and recognition of God. God is not petty, or in need of our worship. We do so because we need it. For lack of a better word, saints are simply people who "cooperate" with God's grace in whatever manner was best and fitting to each, better than the rest of us. We can ask them for guidance in the same way they received it. There's no secret ingredient or special worship of them. Notice, nobody is saying you have to ask saints for help or prayers. As I said, God simply delights in us playing an active role in His Church through His graces. The saints are simply humble examples of those graces at work. Again, proper understanding of this requires - requires - you to quit telling yourself all prayer is worship, because it isn't. but if you are not willing you soften your stance, then that's between you and God. Have a blessed Easter.
I want to become a Catholic because god showed me in a dream that Catholics where in the right. It’s kinda hard to believe because I grew up Protestant and was taught Catholics aren’t Christian’s. I finally just prayed to god and he answered me in a dream that was so odd that I knew it was from him. It’s just hard to believe and I can’t deny it anymore. It’s been my own experience
Don’t over think it there’s not much of a difference except for the performance and extra rules that catholics have (that are not in the Bible fyi) . It doesn’t matter what church you pick just make sure the focus of your faith is primarily on Jesus. There’s just no point to pray to the “saints” or apostles they have literally no power they’re just people who love Jesus. They’re no different than you and I. Know that only Jesus has the power to answer your prayer. Ps I have no hate for Catholicism I grew up it. I didn’t find my faith until someone actually taught me what it was saying in a Christian church called Calvary chapel.
@@devilsandchargersfan385there is a big difference my friend we have all the right teachings and we are the true church Christ established! And most importantly we have the eucharist where the real presence of our Lord Jesus Christ is!
This is an amazing video. I watched two videos on the same subject and I can assure you, from what I've seen, your argument is the most comprehensive and clear to understand. The fact that you continue you to tie it all back in to Jesus Christ and scripture is what really convinces me. This is genuinely such a helpful resource! Thank you so much for taking the time to make it!
I am Catholic and I am struggling understanding some things in the church like this. I was trying to find explanation to back my beliefs. I was wondering these exact same things. This helped a ton to strengthen my catholic faith. Thanks Bud.
Shame Jesus didn't inspire you. 330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics. Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone who supported it will get eternal damnation. That means every catholic. If you're in this club, you go to hell, according to Jesus.
As a Confessional Lutheran, thank you so much for explaining this topic very well. And using scripture, I’ve never heard the scriptures used like that in context to explain. Thanks again
Thank you Brain. As a protestant this has been a question of mine. Why was Saul wrong in trying to communicate with the dead Samuel? (1 Chronicles 10:13). (1 Samuel 28:7-19) ** Samuel is a saint, based on the criteria at 8:52. He did intercessory prayer for his people (1 Samuel 7:7-8; 1 Samuel 9:6-10) and God heard him. But once Samuel died (1 Samuel 28:3) being called from the spirit realm was a disturbance for Samuel (1 Samuel 28:15) and a contributor for Saul's demise. How is Samuel's case different from calling on other saints who passed on? ** You are right (5:22) , God is the God of the living. When a believer dies, his body is dead but his spirit is with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:6) But they are not alive as Christ is alive and interceding for us ( Romans 8:34). Since he rose from the dead, he has eternal priesthood unlike other priests that died and can not continue their intercession ( Hebrew 7:23-24). So, the question is where in the bible do we find the saint's continued intercession once their spirit has passed on? ** Isaiah 8:19 says "When someone tells you to consult mediums and spirits, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?" - The spirit's sainthood does not seem to have an exception because the comparison is between talking directly to God vs using spirits or mediums. if there are specified exceptions, could you please state where in the bible it is? ***As for Jesus (6:17); Jesus is God. Him ordering where the spirit of a human be (on earth or the spirit realm) is his prerogative as God. He brought the spirit of Lazarus from the dead (the spirit realm to his body) and similarly he called on Moses and Elijah to appear. But in the case of the sear in 1 Samuel 28; I do not believe it is her demonic spirit who brought forth Samuel but God who finally decided to rebuke Saul. I could be wrong but I believe that neither demons nor humans have the authority to tell the spirit of a saint where to be but God. If it is otherwise, could you please give an example from the bible? - In both Jesus's and the sear's case; the spirits appeared at the location where they were called, implying that they were limited by space. So from where in the Bible can their presence to all who call on them be inferred? - Also in line with brothers praying for other brothers James 5:14-16 says "Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord." The Question is, if praying to the dead closer to God is a better approach, why does James say call on the elders and not mention the prayer to the saints in the spirit realm? Lastly, Was Saul wrong because he used a sear instead of praying to Samuel himself? ** The sear used a demonic spirit to call on the dead so it is clearly wrong. And we are told to pray in the Spirit in Ephesians 6:18. So if the argument is that we use the spirit of God unlike her, my question is as such, Is not the spirit already in the role of intercesion in our behalf in Roman 8:26? - So why ask the interceding Spirit to get us in communication with the saints to take his role as an intercessor? Would it not be like sending a messenger to another parity to give him back the message he is sent to deliver? If you have read this far, Thank you and I would greatly appreciate the reply. Thank you for your time.
@@Jay-oj4hjexactly the same church you say has no power Jesus says that its the pillar and ground of truth, his bride and whatever they loss and bound in earth will be lost and bound in heaven...
@@yeabsiraasefa4959 Saul was wrong because what he did was necromancy which is conjuring the dead (but actually demons) for personal gain. However, calling in the saints for clarification in Gods will on His time and means is a good thing.
As a Protestant, I greatly appreciate how detailed yet comprehensive your videos are! One question that I’ve thought of regarding the intercession of the saints is to what extent do you perceive omnipresence and/ or omniscience as divine attributes? If my understanding of it is correct (and if not definitely correct me!) a saint is able to intercede for all who pray to them, so theoretically for potentially hundreds or thousands of people at the same time? Would that not ascribe to them the ability to hear/see all or be present in multiple places at the same time? And if that is the case, would that not be a divine characteristic that is being attributed to them? Perhaps there’s an aspect of this I’m not fully understanding, I would love to hear your perspective! Blessings 🤍
Thank you for the kind words! This is somewhat of a mystery, but you could speculate that they do not exist in time. Time means change and they no longer experience change the way we do. They have become their final selves, no longer in transition. As such, they have all eternity to simply be. Time would be irrelevant to them. Further, it's likely that this is God's power operating through them. They aren't themselves omniscient, but in communion with God, they, perhaps, share in his divine power.
There is an issue with how people view omniscience or omnipresence. They basically view them in additive way. For them, being omniscience is to know the sum of everything and being omniscient is to be in the sum of all places. And since God alone is omniscient and omnipresent, then no one else can be in every place and know for the thoughts of every human being at once. A better view of those attributes will be as qualitative. Omnipresence means the presence is without limit and omniscience means the knowledge is without limit. For exemple, if God grants an individual the ability to know everything about each creature at once, that person will still not being omniscient because even though his/her knowledge would be very important, it would still be limited. The sum of finite knowledge doesn't equal infinite knowledge. In order for that person to be omniscient, he/she should also know all about God as God himself, which is impossible since the infinite creature can never absorb the infinite. The same is true for omnipresence. God is "present" in everything that exists because he is the source of being, no being can exist or sustain by itself without God. So even if a creature was present in every place on earth or in the inverse, inside the mind of every creature, he/she wouldn't still be omnipresent because he or she cannot be present in God as God is present in himself since God is infinite. Another issue is that people use a bad reasoning to conclude that the intercession of saints requires omnipresence/omniscience. The reasoning is something like: God is omniscience and omnipresent Thus, God can hear our prayers even in mind Therefore, it is necessary to be omniscient /omnipresent to hear prayers Saints in heaven don't need to be omnipresent or omniscient, they only need to be aware of the prayers of their brethren/or those who ask for their intercession. They only need to be united to them. Another attribute of God that people really don't consider is omnipotence. God does what he wants. Uniting the Church of heaven to their brethren in this life is not something out of his reach. If He wants it, he will make it happen. Actually, a good argument can be made for that union from Hebrews 12,22-24: But what you have come to is Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem where the millions of angels have gathered for the festival, .with the whole Church of first-born sons, enrolled as CITIZENS OF HEAVEN. You have come to God himself, the supreme Judge, and to the SPIRITS OF THE UPRIGHT WHO HAVE BEEN MADE PERFECT ; and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to purifying blood which pleads more insistently than Abel's."
@@BrianHoldsworthExcellently put that they do not experience time the way we do. It's possible that in the afterlife there are multiple dimensions of time, an idea that actually explains a LOT of Scripture as well as near death experiences. Picture time down here as flowing along a line, that for all practical purposes we cannot deviate from, nor even make the line bend. Now imagine that line on the surface of a sphere, and in the perpendicular direction to the line is another line representing a second time dimension. One could travel initially along the first line, then deviate into the orthogonal direction awhile (amassing experiences there separate from those on the main timeline), and then eventually loop back onto the main shared pathway. I think about that a lot, it explains many mysteries. Just my two cents.
He is sufficient ! He said "I am the Way,the Truth, and the Light. No man comes to the Father but through me. " John 14:6 When He was about to die on the cross, His last words were It is finished...meaning He had now bridged the gap between God and man. He IS enough and He is sufficient !! He alone can save...
This is such a stretch, to say that because the Saints are not dead in Christ that praying to them to intercede is somehow permissible. My Pastor is not dead in Christ, but I do not go to church and pray to him, I pray with him and ask that he pray with me. Saint Paul is not kneeling with me at church. My Pastor is. Two earthly bound believers praying together to have Christ be with us. No one comes to the Father except through Christ. So this business where a legalistic practice was created by the Roman Catholic Church and justified by making correlations between between prayer references and references about the ones that died in Christ but still live on, is way too confusing. Legalistic practices that have no direct order given by Christ when he was here, but some how is adopted by man to basically replace the role of the Pharisees. Jesus spoke of the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, yet the Roman Catholic replaces them with Priests. I don’t know, this is confusing and God is not the author of confusion.
@@Cklertyes we confess to each other, not to ones that have passed but still live in the presence of the Lord. We don’t have to have a Priest for confession. We have Christ and each other. The Legalistic practices of the Catholic Church confuses me when Jesus was against how the Pharisees conducted themselves. Yet the Catholic Church replaced all the legal practices with new ones based on references and poor correlations between prayer and statements made by Christ about ones that passed.
This helped me so much. I chose to be baptized again as a Christian last year. But since that time, I have wrestled with questions about praying to saints, how to find the right fellowship and how the traditions and rituals of Catholicism that I grew up with could remain in my Christian life. This brief video answered so many questions by citing passages in the Bible that some may "gloss over." I just Subscribed. Thank you, and God bless.
as someone who was raised catholic and never really believed, the saints were always my favorite part of the catholic religion, especially asking patron saints for help always made me feel better
This comment comes with respect and maybe I can get questions answered from Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ on some of my concerns. I am a Lutheran and I also hold the saints at a very high level of respect and admiration.I have heard Catholics say “praying for intercession is like asking a friend for prayer” and “the saints are alive and not dead” and I understand their argument there. My hesitation of prayer to the saints comes from not the act “on paper” so to speak, but how the act is actually played out. The saints have their own(for lack of a better word) “specialty” . You might pray to one saint for healing, another for strength and patience, another because you can’t find your car keys… and the act of asking the saints for intercession during your prayer to God tends to look as if it’s played out as a Polytheistic style of prayer. ( I know it’s not but it APPEARS that way… especially with all the specialties that these saints are given) but another concern is when you look into prayer journals of many ancient Catholics… numerous of prayers are said to many saints and the majority appear to be to Mary, it gives the appearance that God is given the back burner while Mary and the saints are receiving the glory for answered prayers when it’s in fact God that answers these prayers. Like I said I say this in respect to Catholics but I fear that the argument of “don’t you ask your fellow Christian’s to pray for you?” Doesn’t gut deep enough Into the issues that Protestants tend to see In prayer to the saints… feel free to talk, explain, enlighten if you will… but let’s be respectful.
Maybe consider looking at it this way. God did not need the dirt to create Adam, He did not need the ark to save Noah, He did not need Abraham to establish His people, He did not need Moses as I deliver His people, He did need the apostles to start the Church, and He did not need The Most Blessed Virgin Mary to come into the world. However, God is perfect, and by His perfect will He chose these means to manifest His Glory. Now with the Saints everything is elevated because the saints or “in” Christ, this elevates saints to an incomprehensible level higher than any chosen person of God preceding the unification of Our Lords mystical Body. This is by far not a comprehensive response but only an introduction to the idea. Consider these verses Romans 12:4-6 “For as in one body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith” 1 Corinthians 12:26-27 “If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.” Those who are in Christ glorify Christ, honoring those in Christ honors Christ. Without Christ no saint, no not one, could do a thing for you (including finding your car keys).
@@dherpin4874I’m saying we should be focusing on what he DID say to do. He taught us how to pray to the father, and told us his commandments. People have to make more out of what’s already beyond enough. I think if Jesus wanted us to pray to saints, then he wouldn’t told us to or how. He told us to pray the father, and taught us exactly what to say and ask for. Why do you need more?
@ sure, but more importantly the to the saints is His divinity, however He never once said He was God, or did He just not explicitly? He never mentioned the Bible or the need to reed it, or did He? He never spoke of the Holy Trinity, or did He? Just because one does not see (or does not want to see it) does not mean it is not there. ‘Eye to see and ears to hear’. He definitely taught about calling on all of Heaven including angels and saints, and He Himself relied on at a minimum Moses, Elijah, and angels. Gods needs nothing or no one, but He choses and appoints whomever He choses and appoints.
I’ve been thinking about going from being Protestant for Catholic for a while and this has helped clear up my main issue. It’s still a new topic for me, and one that’s a bit nerve wracking to try, but I appreciate your video. Thanks!
I always wondered about this. Every time I turn around it appears that there is a different saint for something, and reminded me of how ancient Greeks had a different God for everything. Evangelicals stand on God saying "Don't pray to anyone other than me" so when we hear people praying to saints it's like nope nope nope. Not worth risking a holy spanking.
@@daphniefarkas5703 there are many different saints to call on for many different reasons. Just as God does not need a plumber to fix a leak in your home, a dentist to fix the tooth in your mouth, or a mechanic to fix your car. However He choses for us to live in a communal word in a communal way. In the same way He does not need the saints but choses them to act on our behalf (by His Grace and Power)
This is a well done video with wonderful points. As a Protestant, one more argument comes up. When Saul seeks Samuel from the dead, he is forbidden to do that, Samuel is upset about it, but still helps him and tells him what will happen. Please help me understand. Thanks!
Great points. Christ the one Mediator and Head intercedes, therefore the members of His Body participate in His intercession. Thus these members call upon one another for intercession, even calling upon members who have gone to be at Home with their Head, for they remain mutually united in His Body.
Praying to saints is soo weird. It is like sitting on a dinner table with your family, and never adressing your grandfather directly, but always asking other family members to relay your words to your grandfather. Meanwhile your grandfather is sitting right next to you......
Asking or praying to saints to pray for you you, is not different than asking others here on earth to pray for you. You do it out of faith and union in the body of Christ for one another. It is not a requirement for salvation to ask for prayers or make prayers to one another for prayers to be made. But, it can be a blessing. In your analogy would it be weird also to only talk to your grandfather while ignoring everyone else also? Maybe. Pauls says “I urge, then, first of all, that PETITIONS, PRAYERS, INTERCESSION AND THANKSGIVING BE MADE FOR ALL PEOPLE . . . 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” - 1 Tim 2:1, 3-4. (NIV); “ *PRAY AT ALL TIMES IN THE SPIRIT, WITH ALL PRAYER AND SUPPLICATION. TO THAT END KEEP ALERT WITH ALL PERSEVERANCE, MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS *…” - Ephesians 6:18. 16 If ANYONE sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, HE SHOULD PRAY TO GOD AND HE WILL GIVE HIM LIFE. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly. - 1 John 5:16-17. Saints in the body of Christ, his church, include those who have died before us in Christ as well as those alive on earth at the time. The Saints do not stop praying for one another. “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and IN MY FLESH I DO MY SHARE ON BEHALF OF HIS BODY, WHICH IS THE CHURCH, IN FILLING UP WHAT IS LACKING IN CHRIST’S AFFLICTIONS.” - Colossians 1:24. “Therefore, SINCE WE ARE SURROUNDED BY SO GREAT A CLOUD OF WITNESSES, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us” - Hebrews 12:1. “Therefore, confess your sins to one another and PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER, THAT YOU MAY BE HEALED. THE PRAYER OF A RIGHTEOUS PERSON HAS GREAT POWER as it is working.” - James 5:16. “Brethren, join in following my example, and OBSERVE THOSE WHO WALK ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN you have in us.” - Philippians 3:17. “When He had taken the book, the FOUR LIVING CREATURES AND THE TWENTY-FOUR ELDERS fell down before the Lamb, EACH ONE HOLDING A HARP AND GOLDEN BOWLS FULL OF INCENSE *WHICH ARE THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS* ”- Revelation 5:8b. “HE WAS GIVEN A GREAT QUANTITY OF INCENSE TO OFFER, ALONG WITH THE PRAYERS OF ALL THE HOLY ONES, ON THE GOLD ALTAR THAT WAS BEFORE THE THRONE. 4 The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.” - Rev 8:3b-4.
@@BrianHoldsworth sure, sure, But now imagine this. Grandpa is sitting next to you. You tell your mother: Can you ask Granpa to do this to me You tell your father: Oh please forward this message to Granpa You tell your sister: Tell grandpa of such and so problems i had You tell your nephew: Tell granpa i thank him. All the while Grandpa is sitting next to you.
Catholics don't understand the concept that the vail was torn that separated us from God. We now have direct access to the father because of christ finished work on the cross. There is no mediator between us and God anymore. We can go in prayer straight to Jesus and God Himself and talk directly to Him for forgiveness, prayer request, or simply talking to Him. Any other teaching and prayer to the dead is unbiblical and idolatry.
A prayer is a request. We do not worship courts when we file a prayer of petition in a jurisdiction, or use the phrase "pray tell" common language. It is only weird because you are only used to using the word "pray" in a single situation today, when throughout history we made requests all the time for one another. Pauls says “I urge, then, first of all, that PETITIONS, PRAYERS, INTERCESSION AND THANKSGIVING BE MADE FOR ALL PEOPLE . . . 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” - 1 Tim 2:1, 3-4. (NIV) “ *PRAY AT ALL TIMES IN THE SPIRIT, WITH ALL PRAYER AND SUPPLICATION. TO THAT END KEEP ALERT WITH ALL PERSEVERANCE, MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS *…” - Ephesians 6:18.
@@Jesus3ITrustinThee. Matthew 6:9-13 You can pray to Jesus and the Holy Spirit but ultimately you should be praying to the Father in Jesus’s name by the power of the Holy Spirit.
@@Jay-oj4hj Thank you. The Our Father is no doubt an ancient and grace-filled prayer that is prayed daily in the Mass worship, and in the Divine Office of praying the psalms daily at different hours of the day. Another ancient prayer of the Church is the Jesus Prayer, derived from Luke 18:9-14, which has a rich tradition among Orthodox Catholics, and the Sanctus is prayed during daily Mass service from Rev. 4:8.
Thank you, I've been searching high and low for this kind of explanation, you really gave it a nice one, but I don't know if I'm dumb and can't understand the concept of praying to them, but it was illuminating, thanks. Also because erery other catholics gets bothered answering this question.
Him saying that throwing stones at the church is throwing stones at Christs body doesn’t hold that much weight, when the Church circumvents scripture and resorts to venerating men and man made rules that aren’t found in the Bible.
I've been curious about the differences in Catholics and Protestant's for a while now and want to thank you for your videos. I agree wholeheartedly with your points about the body of Christ needing to love each other and that we shouldn't be attacking each other. This is where I really see us Protestants fall apart - we love infighting - which is not helpful. Though I would say it's also not helpful for you to make disparaging remarks towards Pentecostals. Please take all of my criticisms here with love, as that's how they're intended. I've watched other videos, read blog posts, and looked through the comments you've responded to as well as the scriptures you've listed supporting the claims, and I just don't see the support for praying to the dead. The analogy about asking another brother to pray for you falls flat when there's such a massive difference in asking a living person versus a dead person to do something for you. If the saints are closer members of His body and we're asking, that still falls flat. The foot doesn't ask the shoulder to ask the head - it goes straight to the head. Saying Jesus communicated with Elijah, so we can pray to the dead, doesn't make sense. It would mean that if Elijah appeared to you in a vision you could talk to him, not that you should be aiming your prayers to him. The most compelling part (to me anyway) is the miracles you talked about upon praying to the saints.
Old response but to address your point Catholics don’t see the saints as dead, they are alive in heaven. God is the God of the living. We are granted eternal life, that’s the whole point. Rev 7:15-17 “They (saints in glory) are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will dwell among them…for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters.…” Saints are a part of the living Christian community and Catholics feel deeply close to them in the same way as a friend or family member. How horrible would it be to not speak to your family members or give them any love and honor just because they were in a different place you couldn’t see. Catholics believe that they still care about us and pray for us even though they are in heaven now so we must not forget them too. In the same way Jesus wants us to treat others with kindness and love we treat saints the same because they are in the body of Christ and a part of our community.
@stephenmeehan8927 context matters…. Do you pray outside of your “closet” or in front of anyone? If so then you are violating Mathew 6:6 as well. However, I would think right about now you are not taking that verse as literal as you were when “protesting” Catholicism. If you believe praying to the saints is not praying to God then I would recommend you spend more time contemplating how it is we are able to call God Father and be “in” the Body of Christ. Lastly, not all traditions are of man and for man, if so you would have to get rid of a great many things like birthdays, Christmas, the Bible, and so on. Again, I would think you are holding those verses a little more loosely than when you were using them to “protest” the Church. Context matters, and you will not understand the context of scripture if your goal of scripture is to “protest” Catholicism and not seek the truth of scripture. Not a personal attack because you are in a belief system that is by its namesake a religion of protestantism which as a faith based on being anti Catholic (instead of pro gospel/truth)
If Marry is heaven, she cannot hear our prayers. Only God omnipresent and omnipotent. That’s why Jesus I am the way, the Truth and The life. No one comes to the Father except through Him.
The Vatican 2 documents explained : Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: 1) Indifferentism 2) Syncretism and Synthesis 3) Immanent 4) Transcendentalism 5) Individualism 6) Existentialism, naturalism 7) Stoicism 8) Pantheism 9) Evolution 10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic… If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical “ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life. As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!! The Vatican II documents : briefly 1) Christ is united with each man in the Incarnation before Jesus was even born (Gaudium et Spes #22) 2) Protestant religions are a means of salvation and all other denominations. (Unitatis Redintegratio #3) 3) non-catholics made lawfully receive Holy Communion and the sacraments of the church.(Orientalium Ecclesiarum #27) 4) Muslims and Catholics together worship the same God (Lumen Gentium #16) 5) the Catholic church is united with those who don't accept the Catholic faith or the papacy. Lumen Gentium #15) 6) some people above the Age of Reason don't believe in God through no fault of their own. Lumen Gentium #16) 7) and the Buddhism man search the highest illumination. (Nostra Aetate #2) 8) all things on earth should be related to man as their Center and Crown. (Gaudium et Spes #12). Then what are we to do you ask ? If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do, in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the “Third Secret”. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!! What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said, to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary !! 15 decades, everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile!! You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! This means all Vatican 2 priests and parishioners also the sspx, sspv, cmri, fssps… It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell if you go to any of these groups who support and embrace “Invincible ignorance” and also “baptism of desire and blood” that the Traditional Catholic church teaches against !!! Subjective v.s Objective heresy !!! You can be in the soul of the church and not be a member heresy these groups, the sspx and others Embrace these heresies !!! along with using the St Joseph's missile (THIS IS A condemned missile) if anyone, even the Pope, tells you that it's not a condemned missile they are - A - Liar !! don't believe them, they're a liar and a Heretic !!! Heretics will send you to Hell !!! You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bible and no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!! What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!! But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church sspx, sspv, fssp…. even if it's empty do not go in it !!! Judgment day is almost here. P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. God Love You
I appreciate you taking time to dig into this. So many great points. I apologize in advance for this is going to be a little long but I have a couple questions / counter-points. 1) Sidestepping Jesus as mediator / praying as a body or Christ instead of individuals: I agree with you for the most part here. We are supposed to pray for each other. However, the reference to a "chain of command" is really close to "remaining under the law". The veil was torn and we no longer require a high priest to carry our prayers to God on our behalf. So I would argue that continuing in that manner of thinking is incorrect. However, that's not to say you shouldn't pray to saints but that you probably shouldn't do it for that reason. Here's where things get weird though. Even if it is ok to pray to saints, there's definitely examples of where prayers to saints go too far and become prayers where Jesus is being substituted. See below the Memorare. It's a prayer to Mary, asking for mercy. Memorare Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession, was left unaided. Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother. To you do I come, before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy, hear and answer me. Amen. Here's another example: Prayer to Mother Mary for Protection We fly to your protection, most holy Mother of God; please listen to our petitions and needs, and deliver us from all dangers, ever glorious and blessed Virgin Mary. ... Morning Prayer to Mother Mary My queen, my mother, I offer myself to you. ... Prayers offering yourself to Mary, asking Mary for protection, asking Mary for mercy are very different than asking Mary to pray for you. Maybe it's just a question of theory vs practice but the way that Mary has been treated by the church is definitely idolatry. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2) Are saints dead Those are some really good points. However, the dead are often referred to as sleeping. So how would they hear prayers when asleep? Luke 8:52 - Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing,” Jesus said. “She is not dead but asleep.” John 11:11 - After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.” Acts 13:36 - “Now when David had served God’s purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his ancestors and his body decayed. Then there's a question on the timing of some of this. Have the saints already been raised to heaven or will that wait until the last day? Of course, Elijah was raised to heaven already, as this was witnessed. However, it's interesting to note that Moses also appeared to Jesus. The only thing I can say there is that there are exceptional cases in the bible and we should be careful not to treat those as normative cases. John 6:39-40 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 11:24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” John 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. Same thing goes for revelation. What's the timing? Have the saints always been there, pleading justice or did they have to remain asleep for a time? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 3) Church is the authority for spiritual issues I'm pretty torn on this. I definitely agree that there needs to be an authority and we shouldn't just continually fracture until every is his own church. However, there are definitely times where the church has abused its authority on spiritual matters. This is where I see a lot of protestants struggle is how to reconcile those. When people criticized the practice of selling indulgences and the church excommunicated them does that mean that those people were lost to the kingdom of God even though the church was abusing its authority? And this wasn't something only the Roman Catholic Church has dealt with. Paul's letters often dealt with issues within the church so we know that the church isn't without need of correction. Similarly, Pope Francis said "All religions are paths to God." Now maybe that's being taken way out of context. But if it isn't, that's a pretty heretical thing to say. So if we were to accept that the Pope is the ultimate authority of the church then that puts us in a difficult position. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just wanted to say again that I really appreciate you taking the time to discuss these things and I look forward to future discussions.
I never understand the problem Protestants have with the intercession of the saints. Even before my conversion from Protestantism to Catholicism, this issue has always seemed straight forward and easy to grasp. To deny the intercession of the saints is to be logically inconsistent with biblical data and what it entails.
How does one know if that one saint is in heaven? Are you sure? I know Jesus hears my prayers...why would i go to a creation when i can talk to the Creator? moronic, demonic.
Out of all videos on this subject, this is the best. As a confessional Lutheran who has a lot of qualms with the RCCs theology but one area that I can’t seem to find biblical evidence against is saintly intercessions. Christ is my ultimate mediator and intercessor but asking the Lord Jesus and the Saints to cheer me on in my race of holiness seems evident to me in Hebrews 12:1. The cloud of witnesses cheers me on and I ask them to cheer me on alongside my Lord
even if Mary and the saints that passed away are concious after death, God still commanded us to not communicate with the dead, God calls those who passed away as the dead and HE said not to inquire of the dead.
Intercessory prayer for the saints dead on earth (but alive in Christ in heaven) and on earth is all throughout scripture “First of all, then, I URGE THAT ENTREATIES AND PRAYERS, PETITIONS AND THANKSGIVINGS, BE MADE ON BEHALF OF ALL MEN . . . 3 THIS IS GOOD AND ACCEPTABLE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD OUR SAVIOR, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim 1, 3; “ *PRAY AT ALL TIMES IN THE SPIRIT, WITH ALL PRAYER AND SUPPLICATION. TO THAT END KEEP ALERT WITH ALL PERSEVERANCE, MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS *…” - Ephesians 6:18. 16 If ANYONE sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, HE SHOULD PRAY TO GOD AND HE WILL GIVE HIM LIFE. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly. - 1 John 5:16-17. “Therefore, SINCE WE ARE SURROUNDED BY SO GREAT A CLOUD OF WITNESSES, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us” - Hebrews 12:1. “Therefore, confess your sins to one another and PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER, THAT YOU MAY BE HEALED. THE PRAYER OF A RIGHTEOUS PERSON HAS GREAT POWER as it is working.” - James 5:16. “Brethren, join in following my example, and OBSERVE THOSE WHO WALK ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN you have in us.” - Philippians 3:17. "1 [a]When he had finished all his words to the people, he entered Capernaum.[b] 2 A centurion[c] there had a slave who was ill and about to die, and he was valuable to him. 3 WHEN HE HEARD ABOUT JESUS, HE SENT ELDERS OF THE JEWS TO HIM, ASKING HIM TO COME AND SAVE THE LIFE OF HIS SLAVE. 4 They approached Jesus and strongly urged him to come, saying, “He deserves to have you do this for him, 5 for he loves our nation and he built the synagogue for us.” 6 And Jesus went with them, but WHEN HE WAS ONLY A SHORT DISTANCE FROM THE HOUSE, THE CENTURION SENT FRIENDS to tell him, “Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you enter under my roof.[d] 7 Therefore, I did not consider myself worthy to come to you; but say the word and let my servant be healed. 8 For I too am a person subject to authority, with soldiers subject to me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come here,’ and he comes; and to my slave, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 9 When Jesus heard this he was amazed at him and, turning, said to the crowd following him, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith.” 10 When the messengers returned to the house, THEY FOUND THE SLAVE in good health." Luke 7:1-10; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but THE SPIRIT HIMSELF INTERCEDES FOR US with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because HE INTERCEDES FOR THE SAINTS ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD.” - Romans 8:26-27 “2 And he was transfigured before them; his face shone like the sun and his clothes became white as light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, conversing with him.” - Mt. 17:2-3; “When He had taken the book, the FOUR LIVING CREATURES AND THE TWENTY-FOUR ELDERS fell down before the Lamb, EACH ONE HOLDING A HARP AND GOLDEN BOWLS FULL OF INCENSE *WHICH ARE THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS* ”- Revelation 5:8b. “HE WAS GIVEN A GREAT QUANTITY OF INCENSE TO OFFER, ALONG WITH THE PRAYERS OF ALL THE HOLY ONES, ON THE GOLD ALTAR THAT WAS BEFORE THE THRONE. 4 The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.” - Rev 8:3b-4.
@@PoppinPsinceAD33they are alive in that they have eternal life...but their business with the world is finished, and there is a day of resurrection. My grandpa died, alive with the Lord I believe, but dead to us. When Jesus died, He was indeed dead, until he bodily resurrected. Why when 1 Timothy says we have one mediator do Catholics want more mediators??
I still don't get it. Why pray to the saints instead of praying directly to Jesus/God. Why wouldn't God hear your prayer directed to him or why would He prefer to hear the prayer you prayed to a saint?
Asking a Saint to pray for you is the same as asking a friend to pray for you. As it is written, "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working." James 5:16
Nowhere in the Old testament one can see any such practice or Command that the followers were praying or communicating to the Souls or Spirits of the Earlier Patriarchs , Prophets and Saints . They did call out to the God of Abraham , Issac and Jacob , but not to the Souls or Spirits of Prophets or any of them directly or indirectly after their physical death. Abraham , Moses and David were all great men of God, but nobody is ever shown as praying to them. Even in the New Testament , The parable of Rich and poor man souls. Abraham says that people on earth need to follow the Scriptures and he himself cannot influence them from his place above. Christ himself mentioned elsewehere ,the Alive to leave the dead in burying and to Follow Himself. Also in the Transfiguration event with Moses and Elijahs brief appearance amidst the Glory of Jesus. As Peter tries to attribute honor to Moses and Elijah alongside Jesus. God the Father tells about focussing on Jesus. We dont also see in any of Pauls or the other Apostolic letters , where prayer , blessing or Glory was to attributed to tye souls or Spirits of any of the Christian Martyrs like St.Stephen or St.James whose Martyrdom is recorded in the Bible. Even the second generation Church Fathers like Polycarp or Iranaeus don't write about praying directly to the Souls and Spirits of departed Apostles.
That was a facepalm moment. Is he stating that God will have a higher likelihood to answer a prayer if more people or even people in "authority" initiates/joins that prayer?
You accidentally equivocate the terms for death in this. When God says not to talk to the dead he is talking about trying to talk to people no longer alive on this earth. Thats the point in the prohibition. Of course they may be alive spiritually otherwise there would be no point talking to them. But the Bible expressely forbids trying to talk to people after they have died on this earth.
It doesn't. Catholics just say we can ask for saint intercession because Jesus said those who have died in Him are alive; and that if we pray to those who are alive in heaven they can hear us somehow.
All this being said, I think we could help ourselves by not saying things like “I prayed to St. X and asked him to help me love people better”. I think it’d be less scandalous to Protestants (and more theologically accurate) to say things like, “I asked St. X to pray that I love people better”. The latter uses intercessory language while the former seems to imply that the saint is the one you expect to make you more loving.
@stephenmeehan8927 context matters…. Do you pray outside of your “closet” or in front of anyone? If so then you are violating Mathew 6:6 as well. However, I would think right about now you are not taking that verse as literal as you were when “protesting” Catholicism. If you believe praying to the saints is not praying to God then I would recommend you spend more time contemplating how it is we are able to call God Father and be “in” the Body of Christ. Lastly, not all traditions are of man and for man, if so you would have to get rid of a great many things like birthdays, Christmas, the Bible, and so on. Again, I would think you are holding those verses a little more loosely than when you were using them to “protest” the Church. Context matters, and you will not understand the context of scripture if your goal of scripture is to “protest” Catholicism and not seek the truth of scripture. Not a personal attack because you are in a belief system that is by its namesake a religion of protestantism which as a faith based on being anti Catholic (instead of pro gospel/truth)
You should research it. Although it would be easier for me to provide you an answer, researching could provide many answers and could perhaps encourage you to ask those of the world and those whom are in the prescence of God to pray for you.
You cannot ask a dead person for a favor. All prayer is a form of worship. If you think otherwise then Hindus don’t actually worship Vishnu and other gods.
Prayer basically means to ask for something. That's what a dictionary will tell you. Generally means asking God or some deity but NOT ALWAYS. I thought as you and when I felt drawn to the Catholic Church (I was Protestant for over 50 years ), I said prayers to Mary was wrong. But I was open to the truth wherever it took me. So I looked up "prayer" in the dictionary and I was surprised that it agreed with the Catholic understanding of prayer. It also agrees with the Protestant understanding. It has several meanings. So if we know from the dictionary that prayer is a request of someone and we know that all those in heaven is alive (as God says He is the God of the living and not the dead) then it is right to ask the saints to pray with us to Jesus Christ who is the only mediator between God and man. I am one of millions that has left Protestantism for truth in Catholicism from studying the Bible God bless you.
The Bible teach us to pray TO GOD and pray FOR one another, TO GOD. Notice our prayers are always TO GOD! NO where in the Bible, where we find the teachings of Christianity, does it say to pray TO someone who has passed or TO someone who is alive on this earth. "PRAYING TO" is always TO GOD. This is easy for any student of the Bible. All the examples and teachings about prayers are TO GOD. There is not one example or teaching in the Bible where we are directed to Pray TO saints who are dead or live, period. There are plenty of scripture supporting us to pray FOR one another, but not TO one another. Praying TO those who have passed is a false doctrine taught by the catholic church, sorry to say. There is not Biblical foundation for it. GOD Bless. JESES IS LORD.
Many scriptures say not to communicate with the dead. The dead in these verses does not mean their souls are not alive. These verses are talking about those who are physically dead. If Jesus wants to communicate with the "dead" (Elijah and Moses), he certainly can because he is God. Peter, James, and John did not communicate with Elijah and Moses! Not only this, but nowhere in scripture does it say to pray to Mary or the Saints. So, what do we need to do to make it ok? "We turn to the Church's judgment", Brian says. Why? Because you need someone to say "yes" to the forbidden.
He explained all that in the video, did you watch it? If you did, then you didn't understand it so you should watch it again. And again. And again. And again. Ad infinutum, until your objections and questions no longer remain because you understand what he said. A point you should pay attention to is his explanation about the body of Christ. If you still have questions and objections, you need to watch the video again, striving to understand what he's saying. You cannot, and will not, understand him while wearing your Protestant identity. You need to have the courage to set that to one side.
Mais on sait que vous êtes déjà morts morts et incinérés ! Vous demeurerez dans votre mental à votre morts ! Alors gogez dans votre jus ! Les chrétiens apostoliques croient à leur résurrection au 3e jour après leur mort, là est toute la différence: ils jouissent déjà de la Vie éternelle , à plus forte raison la Saint Mère de Dieu ! Ce discours et ces arguments fumeux ne servent à rien, c’est juste bon pour ces mécréants !
Mais c’est toi le cadavre ! Les Chrétiens croient à la résurrection et le 3e jour après leur mort , ils vont rencontrer leur Seigneur, c’est prouvé et visible sur leur corps de mortel ! Pourquoi écouter encore ces discours fumeux de protestants mal formés ? Inutile.
The wild rabbit trail you have to go down to believe that you can pray to the saints in heaven is mind blowing. Nothing scriptural backs this Catholic belief it’s a completely human man-made religious practice.
@@BrotherChristmas78 Of course he would say that. Because anyone that disagrees with him must have a hardened heart right? I’ve been a devout Christian for a while, and I truly searched to see the validity of his argument. But there is no scripture that backs his claim, or the Catholic belief that praying to saints is something we as Christians are called to do. We can pray to God, and we will be answered in his time, according to his will.
@@thomasipkiss8793 There's the truth and there's everything else, I can just as easily make that same argument back to you, if you'd like to refute what he said you have to address his argument specifically which you don't do, you just throw the whole thing out because it isn't what you want or believe, that's the hardened heart at play, and while I can respect your walk in the faith thus far please understand my point in saying you should pray on it is because that walk isn't over yet, and I dont want you to miss out on any of His grace, so bring it to Him
Praying to the Saints have been practiced since the early centuries for thousand years, it is practice until today by the RC, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, these 3 oldest denominations, until Protestant appeared in 17th century and reject all this, then you could think God doesn't guide His church and simply let the church adopt the wrong teaching when the Church was still young. Many things practice in Christianity isn't scriptural to be honest, like Bible, and how ancient Church assembled it, you found no where in NT, Jesus gave instruction to the disciples on writing NT, or telling the Church to use Paul's letter when he is not even the 12 apostles, at the same time
So I used to be a Catholic and very confused and judgemental albeit not by choice. Now you tell me then, The Catholic Church is led by a Pope, a mere man will enforce the Sunday Law as the whole world wanders after the beast (Pope, Papa). Your Pope is okay with making all faiths worldwide as an interfaith-based Religion. No Peter was a very silent Apostle and the Roman Catholic Church never even existed until it was invented in the 4th or 5th century! I could go on and on and on. May I remind you that I was once a very confused and angry Catholic, even an altar boy at that.
Not a single scripture that supports prayer to saints. Neither Jesus or the apostles are said to have prayed to the saints. The ark of the covenant was commanded by God, the creation of statue saints is NOT. Miracles attributed to praying to saints also happen to Muslims, Bhuddist, Hindus etc. Satan also has power to show signs and wonders so this is not proof that praying to saints is desired by God and we should make sure our practices align with scriptures. By the fact that Jesus tells us how to pray “Our Father who art in heaven” and the fact that he never prayed to the saints and the apostles confirmed he is the ONLY mediator between God and man meaning we only pray to Him to intercede for us, it shows that we should not be praying to saints to intercede for us. Please repent and follow Jesus. He is the only way to The Father.
I'm a Lutheran wondering about praying to saints and when he put all the puzzle pieces together, something just clicked. I've been jumping around denominations for a while now seeing each of their benefits and issues. This may be my final resting place between switching denominations.
I’m guessing your main concern would be doing this would taking away from Christ or your relationship with him think of it like this if you find a person you really love a good way to get to know them better the same way we could better understand Christ through his friends that made it to heaven whom are also our brothers and sisters in Christ and lived a Christ like life God loves when people can do things in his name and for him in revalions 8:4 esv “and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel” is a great example of this same like if you have a friend on this world who seems to have this line to God you would probably want them to pray for you, What about your friends thst live among God in heaven already?
I was raised a Catholic, until…I actually seriously started to read the Bible. We can read in Scriptures that Lord Jesus commanded the Apostles to first preach the Gospel to the Jews, and after also to the Heathen or Gentiles (but never vise versa!). I found out in Scriptures who of the Apostles for the first time went to Rome .. and it wasn't Peter. In the Book of Acts it says in Chapter 28 the following: 16 "And when we came to Rome, the Centurion delivered the Prisoners to the Captain of the Guard: but Paul was allowed to live in a house, by himself, with a Roman Soldier that kept him. 17 And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the Chief of the there living Jews together: and when they came together, Paul said to them: "Men and Brethren, though I have committed nothing against our people, our customs, or against our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans 18 who, when they had examined me, would have let me go, because there was no cause of guild in me. 19 But when the Jews spoke against that verdict, I was constrained to appeal unto Caesar; not that I had made any accusations against my Nation. 20 For this Hope (the Gospel of Jesus Christ) therefore I have called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because for the Hope of Israel I am bound with these chains. 21 The Chief of the Jews said to Paul: "We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning you, neither any of the Brethren that came from there shewed or spoke any harm of you. 22 But we desire to hear of you what you think: for concerning this sect, we know that it is spoken against everywhere". The Roman Catholic Church claims that it was Peter who went to Rome first to preach the Gospel there first and that it was Peter who founded the Church there. Question: who lies? God,... or the Roman Catholic Church ? And what about the Letter in the Bible from Paul to the Congregation of Galatians where it says this in Chapter 2? From verse 7 we read the following: 7 "But on the contrary, when they saw that the Gospel of the Uncircumcision (Gentiles) was committed unto me, as the Gospel of the Circumcision (Jews) was unto Peter; 8 for He that gave Peter power effectively to the Apostleship of the circumcision (again: the Jews), the Same was Mighty in me toward the Gentiles. 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the Grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we (that are Paul and Barnabas) should go unto the Heathen, and they unto the Circumcision. Again dear Catholics: who lies? Gods Word, or the Roman Catholic Church? Bible, the book of Acts, Chapter 5, verse 29 : Then Peter and the other Apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey GOD - rather than man” !! Since the Roman Catholic 'church' claims to be well-read on scriptures, then please point me in the direction of where in the Bible it says to pray to a woman, or to a rosary, or to dead “saints.” Please show me where it says to call any mortal sinful man (the pope) your father. Please show me where the Bible says anything about purgatory, or paying indulgences (buying yourself into heaven - is God corrupt ?). Please show me where Mary was sinless. Why is it that Catholics worship Mary still as a virgin when Lord Jesus had half brothers and half sisters? Please show me where it says to confess your sins to a fellow sinful man so that he may forgive them? Show me the name pope in the Bible? Where does the Bible say the pope is the “vicar of Christ” on earth? Show me where it says that a preacher must be unmarried? It was the pagan ROMAN Emperor Constantine who was in fact the first “Pope” and he didn't allow for the common people to have Bible Scriptures...to keep believers ignorant, as the Catholic Church still does. Later pope’s started the ‘inquisition’ because the book printing machine was invented and people like William Tyndale could spread the Bible to the common people: he was burned to dead for that, and so were hundreds others who did the same and because they denounced the VALSE doctrines of Rome, and they were called heretics and witches by the Roman Catholic “church”- they were tortured, burned to dead - and murdered !!! GET OUT OF THIS FALSE CHURCH !!! The Roman Catholic “church” is a continuation of the old Roman PEAGAN Empire: it never went away as it disguised itself as a Christian Church. Read Revelation, Chapter 17: verse 7 and 8…please read, dear brothers and sisters.
If you didn't read the Bible growing up, then you weren't raised in a robustly Catholic way. Catholic teaching is very clear that we are to read and study the Bible (Dei Verbum, Vatican II). It isn't surprising that when you found a community of committed Christians you were drawn to it.
Here is the problem I have, you didn’t really give much justification for prayer to the saints. It seems like your primary justification is miracles associated supposedly with deceased saints. You also made a claim that demons can’t heal to justify these miracles as verifiable. I don’t see the strength in that argument, certainly God can heal but we know also that demons can perform miracles seemingly equal to God. I personally think a demon could heal someone if they want and I think this is why you will sometimes hear stories even among pagans of healing. Point being to attribute miracles to a dead saint that was prayed to is unverifiable and when these miracles happen how could you possibly test the origin. This is why it is better to just pray to God, then we know the source of these things when they happen. We don’t have to assume and ask who performs the miracle because we prayed to God and He answered.
@@Cris-xj8nm how could you ask them to pray for you without praying to them? When the act is done do people not close their eyes, bow their heads, and close their hands together?? That seems like praying to them. Otherwise why not just simply pray to God alone? We know the Saints pray for us in heaven so they are not unaware but pray to God cast your anxieties on Him. This is the encouragement of scripture, and scripture no where encourages us to pray to any but God.
@@worldview730 when praying according to the guidelines of the Catholic Tradition it is impossible to not pray to God. Invoking saints is more like asking them to join in with your prayers to God.
I couldn't (WOULDN'T) pray the rosary until I had a monstrous pain in the night and thought I was going to die. I had the audio version turned on and that was the first time I prayed the entire thing. After thirty minutes, I was completely healed and now I go around telling my Protestant friends it is real, that I cannot deny my experience.
Love the video. For me I pretty much pray for Blessed Mothers assistance to bring my petitions before God. Rarely do I ask other saints. To me she’s the most powerful and I’m a sinner so makes sense to go to her for intercession when I think I need it.
And yet there is not one verse in all 73 books that tells you to pray to anyone except God. God is the one who will answer your prayers and there is no reason not to go direct to God for your needs.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Job 5:1 references angelic intercession. And in James 14 sick Christians are told to seek the prayer of church elders rather than directly praying for their own healing. All of this is done within the understanding that God can and does use created beings to accomplish his will.
@@harrygarris6921 Job 5:1“Call out if you please, but who will answer? To which of the holy ones will you turn? Where do you find angelic intercession in this verse? James 5:ESV Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. James 5:16 New Catholic Bible 16 . Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective Now the original poster Brian Farley said this Love the video. For me I pretty much pray for Blessed Mothers assistance to bring my petitions before God. Rarely do I ask other saints. Can you find any scriptural support for asking a dead mortal, Mary, spirit alive in the heavenly realm , to pray for you when all the verses about praying for one another are between living people? Can you show anywhere that Mary the mortal mother of Jesus conveys our prayers to God? Heb 4:15,16 points you to the correct person to go through and why you would. John 14"6 points out that Mary or saints ,or angels , is not who you go through to get to God, so why would you not go directly to God with all your needs? James 5:16 notice the results of the prayers of the righteous man? Did you notice it is placed in the context of two individuals praying for each other and they are alive so they can confess their sins one to another and still have the power in prayer of the righteous man! What makes you righteous ? Not you , not one verse in the entire bible says you have righteousness on your own, it all comes from Jesus.
@harrygarris6921 that's a problem, you're reading one verse without the context of the full chapter. How about the rest of Job chapter 5? How about chapter 5.8? That is a huge mistake, that is absolutely not from God to do what you are doing for your agenda. 😢 intentional or not, please read and take the whole context into account. 8 “But if I were you, I would appeal to God; I would lay my cause before him. 9 He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted. 10 He provides rain for the earth; he sends water on the countryside. 11 The lowly he sets on high, and those who mourn are lifted to safety.
@@sid5734 praying to Saints for their intercession to God on our behalf is biblical. Temple Judaism did this as well. Jews to this day go to the Rachel’s Tomb. Furthermore we see the saints being aware of us in the NT with the Transfiguration and the Book of Revelation. And God is God of the living. Those who have died who are in heaven are alive with God and closer to Him than either you or myself
Thanks for the video. I have heard all these reasons before and i still can't comprehend why you would pray to anyone else but God. By your logic I don't need to seek intercession from the living because they are not as near to God as the heavenly saints are.
We should seek intercession from all saints. Those currently living and those who are more fully united in The Body of Christ. Those who are in Christ are saints, if they are “in” Christ Our Lord, then how is it praying to someone other than Christ (the one meditator). 1 Corinthians 12:26 “If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.”
Why can’t you just pray to God directly? Why do you have to go through demonic, made up saints, the Bible is clear when it says Jesus is the only being who can intercede for us.
They are Intercessors on our behalf in prayer, depending on the Saint and their heavenly gift. As churches we intercess in prayer for the sick, the dying, those going through hard times. As Catholics We can ask for intercession in prayer from, Our Lady, The Saints and Angels. Asking for help isn't a sin. Asking direction from our Brethern in Christ, the Saints and Our Lady and the Angels is just asking for inspiration, help, direction and Aid along with and Ultimately To Or Lord God Through Christ. I'm not going to bother Our Lord when all I need is some direction as to what goes with pumpkin in a recipe for soup! 😊 I hope that answers some questions on our belief in our spiritual intessors on our behalf in heaven.
If you bow down, kneel, and pray, say a name , you are calling to a being you are fixing to worship. So you are worshipping a being, be it Saint of whoever. We are to pray to Jesus and no other. It's in the Bible. SO it's either not in a Catholic Bible or you did not read the way Jesus told people how to pray and to whom to pray to.
@@BrianHoldsworth the Lord’s Prayer is a model of how prayer should be given to us by Jesus. It’s all directed to GOD. None of it is directed to any saint, Angel of the Virgin Mary.
@@Jedi_Jess John 14:14 yes, in 1 condition.. if you love my keep my commandments verse 15.. In John 15:7 it says "if" there is a condition and Again you did use 1king 9 :1-9 there are "if's...", if you don't obey this what happens 👉John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that obey not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Let's go back to Job 42:7-9, what is the whole point here, Why God was Angry against Job's friend?also why God indirectly let Job Pray for his friend instead of instructing Directly to Job's friends to pray for forgiveness? Next... I guess you didn't read revelation 5:8, 8:3 about the praying of the Saints... As well in Tobit 12:12-14, where an angel of God offer up his prayer ( these are 1 of the 7 books, Protestant removed it , in case you can't find).. Deuteronomy 11:27 "A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:" Deuteronomy 11:28 "And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known." Again, Proverbs 28:9 "He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination." Isaiah 59:1 "Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:" Isaiah 59:2 "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." So, therefore, your self righteous claim that your Prayers will be answered? Where in fact , it is not a 100% sure, so one will need a righteous man to intercede for them..
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. But if it clearly states that, why didn't you include a reference to the verse that states that? It seems like that would have taken less effort than it would to tell me what the Bible supposedly says.
The Concrete Confessional blog, whose author was raised Roman Catholic, just dropped an article called "Why This Atheist Is Headed Back to Church." Very interesting reading no matter which side of the fence you're on.
Excellent Catholic apologetics. I was raised Catholic but became concerned that it could be hard to be saved adhering to its add ons and lack of focus on the only reason anyone is actually saved- faith in Jesus.
There's nothing that men can't corrupt and turn into total nonsense. It's obviously a heresy to pray towards dead people. There's nothing in Bible about "chain of command", about a silly telephone game that "eventually reaches God". Lots of empty words doesn't change that.
The saints in heaven are more alive than we are, because they are alive in Christ. God doesn't need the saints to hear us; He hears us either way. But the Bible tells us the saints are interceding from us from heaven, that intercession is good and pleasing to God, and that no part of the Body of Christ can say to another "I need you not." We're not cut off from the Body of Christ when we go to heaven.
It’s not complicated- They were people like you who surrendered to God. They are still alive and are living closely to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
5:00 this doesn’t make sense to me, I’m wrestling with how I feel about praying to saints and this doesn’t seem to change anything. I’ll be completely honest I’m a Protestant and am skeptical of a lot of things and probably have a tilt towards maintaining my current denomination. I’m not trying to demean the catholic faith I just can’t reconcile the idea of saints with a relationship to God. That said, you agree that praying to the saints is not the same as praying to God. But in the same breath you say that the saints are part of Gods body and therefore it’s no different. But, it is, praying to God praying to the saints is different. Also the Bible says to boldly approach the throne of God, which means we no longer need the chain of command that the saints provide. Also personally it seems disrespectful to God, because instead of going to him for his will and answer you’re going to someone else for his will and answer. Even if it’s the same answer it seems both disrespectful and also like you don’t want to go to him for your troubles.
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. You're praying to dust. Dirt.
I appreciate you taking the time to explain this. But I still question where in the Bible it says to pray to saints and where it tells us that we can or should canonize the dead. Also, as far as I know, the word saints always references all who are part of the body of Christ, not only some, and not that they become a saint after death. It is very important to me that if I receive and act in accordance with any doctrine that I can directly see where it is clearly stated or there are clear instances of the practice or belief system in the Bible. I haven’t seen anywhere in the Bible where it says any person who was not a pagan or acting outside the will of God (Saul) praying to a saint who transitioned from this world to the next or where it is instructed for us to do so. Also, in your point about Jesus talking to Moses and Elijah, He didn’t do that in His human form. He was first transfigured into His Spirit form before speaking with them. He is also God Himself who put on flesh and dwelt among us. If He was demonstrating that human beings could speak with the saints who have gone on before us I don’t think He would have been transfigured into His Spirit form first. I think that was a clear distinction that that was a God thing and/or a Spirit realm thing that we cannot yet participate in while still in the flesh. And when the rich man in Hell spoke to Lazarus and Abraham, both Lazarus and the poor man had physically died and were in the afterlife. It sounds to me like canonizing saints and praying to them when they are no longer living here on earth and have passed on to Heaven is something that could be “supported” by CERTAIN scriptures if you’re intentional about proving it, but isn’t clearly instructed or exemplified in scripture and is clearly refuted and rebuked by certain other scriptures.
If the Lord let the Saints in heaven. Still be connected to things on the Earth. What happens when they see a loved one rejecting the Lord?.. What happens when they see their loved ones struggling? What happens if their loved ones die without God, and go to hell? This will make them sad, upset, sorrowful, and hurt. But, according to the Bible. These feelings are not existed in heaven. So God will be unjust to let them experience these things. Meaning no body.. no flesh.. Equals. No connection to this world anymore. (Oops. I forget. This is where purgatory was made up.)
Why pray to a saint or mary or anyone who has passed out of this life? Scripture is clear we have access to the Father through the Son. We can pray to both Father and Son. Praying to a saint is still praying to the dead. They have no capacity to hear you or act on what you're asking. But we know God hears, so why pray to the dead. And yes, their souls may be with God, but as far as we're concerned, they're dead. The difference between those alive and dead is mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I really like to watch these videos cuz i'm Brazilian and it's very useful and easy to learn English while i'm watching a really good content about catholicism, I want to be a catechist in my parish to and your channel is helping me a lot. Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷
I'm also Brazilian and I've been learning English on this channel. God bless your vocation bro
330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics.
Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone who supported it will get eternal damnation. That means every catholic.
If you join this club, you go to hell, according to Jesus.
Parabens! 😊
my question sounds classic, but yet i can't understand the monotheistic of the concept of trinity. does this concept sound monotheistic to you? or do the christians have different grasp of monotheism? why jesus forbid people to give him reverence as what people give to God? why jesus laments the absent of God in the cross? why it is forgiveable to speak against him, but against the holy spirit is otherwise? even when i accept jesus as god, i can't see the identicality of him and other aspects of holy trinity. when you want to conforms the holy trinity with monotheism, you have to see and show the identicality of the three aspects of holy trinity, right?
@@parkjul718 One God Three Persons
My main question about Catholicism, is that the basis for the Church’s foundation, is the verse from Matthew when Jesus says “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.”
If Jesus spoke in not so straightforward terms, why then not believe he meant the fact that he either changed Simon to Peter, because of his authority, or the fact that he called him out of his Sin, to be reborn because of his authority, that is the foundation. Not literally Peter and his beliefs or faith is the rock and foundation… Jesus’ use of the word Rock is found again in his sermon on the mount where he says “Therefore, everyone who hears these words of mine is like a wise man who has built his house on the rock,” which indicates that it’s the word of God that is the rock, not Peter himself. That’s what I struggle with is that the interpretation of Matthew 16:18-19 that was agreed upon by a group of people is the basis for the Church who practice things so closely resembling Jewish Law and Greek and Roman traditions, where does Jesus or Paul say that we should pray to the Saints? Where does He say we should pray to Mary? Where does He say that we should make a worship ritual for the relics of His? His chalice, His crown of thorns?
Even the Old Testament states that worship and prayer are to be directed at the one God. It seems as though these practices of praying and worshiping these items and people are hitting the bullseye, just on the wrong target.
Hopefully you can help shed some clarity on this for me.
Jesus taught us how to pray in the lord's prayer, Catholics say it every day at mass, they really shoud know. Jesus said: pray our Father which is in heaven. He didn't say pray to my mom or my Apostles. Timothy 2:5,6 Jesus is the mediator between God and men. On the subject of the rock, I believe it was what Peter said that is what the church would be built on. And I believe it is Christianity that is Jesus's Church he spoke about. And Jesus has alot of Christian Churches.
@@darryldavis436 yes. I find it odd too, that if the Catholics really believe that Peter is the rock… then how come Peter betrayed the Gospel in Antioch by segregating himself from the non Jewish Christians which made Paul, who was given the task of spreading Christianity outside of the Jews, check Peter and call him a hypocrite? I’d argue in saying Paul was the leader of the Apostles, after Jesus’ resurrection, not Peter. Paul straight up checked everyone.
Catholics use Peter so they can have a connection with the Apostles and their own denomination of Christianity, but I am unsure if Peter ever was a pope. The Romans killed Peter and Paul. And I know he would Never want people to bow down to him and kiss his hand like they do the pope. Acts 10:25 -26 Cornelius fell down at Peter's feet and Peter said: stand up, I too am a man. Catholic are Christians, but twist the word around to fit their needs.@@DYLANANDRE
@@DYLANANDREYes Peter was checked by Paul, Peter was human and sinned, just as all Popes are human and sinned as well, doesn’t take his authority away, and as for the “Rock” we see in the Old Testament Abraham is also referred to as the “rock” not just God.
Thank you for your sound doctrine.
Struggling with my faith, I was raised Catholic and I've been having the urge to get back to church but struggle with some things and this is one of them. Thank you for this.
Read the bible friend. Sounds like you are struggle with your religion and not your faith, remember you can have relationship with the lord and not have religion. Pray and read the gospel, start reading John and pray for wisdom and guidance so that you may glorify him. Good luck
Look up Father Ripperger and Dr Brandt Petrie
@@brandonedwards1181 I think I'll stick with the religion Jesus started and wants us to follow. You can't see that because you're using your private interpretation of scripture. You'll remain in error until you accept the interpretation of the Holy Spirit entrusted to his Catholic Church.
So so .why though I believe in the Bible.All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17
@VestalNumbre "All" does not mean "only". And "beneficial" does not mean "sufficient".
Protestant here, thanks for clearing this up
Just curious. How can you be a Protestant in the internet age when it’s so easy to debunk? Honest question.
My friend im a catholic and and i barely understand the whole praying to saint things because i never did, neither did my parents or grandfather. Granted, as a kid i barely paid attention in Sunday school so i honestly dont remember how the intercession of saints makes sense or why we do it.
@@orangemanbad What would some of that proof be? (i assume you mean proof that God and or Jesus isnt real)
@@thomastome8396 that’s quite simple. Because the Bible tells us the angels and saints carry our prayers to God. And also because the Bible tells us (and shows us) that Christ is not the God of the dead but the living. So we believe when we ask saints to pray for us they do so just as if you ask your friend to pray for you and they do. Why would you ask someone to pray for you but not a living saint? We also see the saints alive with Christ in the New Testament.
@@benjaminallen6269 absolutely not. I was a Protestant but learned christianity and became Catholic. My point was how can anyone be Protestant today? It’s way too easy to debunk. There’s a reason why there was only Catholic orthodoxy for 16 centuries. Protestantism is obviously a false religion.
"...I'm not talking about people who fell on the floor because some televangelist blew a kiss at them or something like that..." made me chuckle.
I chuckled even harder when I saw an online video of catholic putting his life at risk trying to save a burning image of a “saint” while others screamed “sacrilege!” But somehow we are to accept the lie that Catholics don’t worship “saints”.
One of these days, some Catholic is going to come along who is sick and tired of explaining to you Pharisees that the "saints" are simply all the people who are in Heaven, and just as they do, we worship God alone. They will also be tired of explaining the difference between prayer and worship, which are wrongfully lumped together.
Instead of explaining for the thousandth time the self-regurgitating lie that others tell themselves, they'll just say "You know what? Believe whatever you want. See where turning your back on God and His Sacraments leads."
But I don't think that Catholic would be doing his job very well, so it might be better to actually take what he might say to heart, and instead of listening to all the sycophantic voices online about it, why not actually invest some time in prayer on it and even go talk to people at a parish about it?
Happy Easter!
@@esze8807 would you like it if I burned pictures of your family or anything that meant anything to you that it showed? Ok then
@@Multipurpose_Bagel Maybe that catholic will do something that you nor any other catholic presently does, which is cite chapter and verse where Christians are instructed to pray to “saints”. Maybe he or she will explain why is it that when I have visited cathedrals what I hear is praise to dead saints. Some of these Catholic Churches have songs in which they worship their saints. Any communication with the dead, even praying, is forbidden in the Old Testament and not taught in the New Testament.
You know what other thing that fictional catholic can do? Is tell us why do Catholics insist on spreading the false doctrine of the purgatory. Where in the Bible does it mention or even describe such a place? Also while that mystical person is at it, maybe that catholic can explain why does your church teach the everlasting virginity of Mary, her supposed immaculate conception, and that she was taken up to heavens in BODY and spirit despite the Bible not supporting any of it.
Your kind should be the last one calling others Pharisees. Your church is grounded on false traditions while ignoring biblical truth. Just like, oh yes, the Pharisees.
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With love, when you use phrases like "your kind", it's all the more telling you can't even read a comment that has nothing to do with doctrine, or scripture, or tradition, - in this case it was about one line in the video I found humorous - without trying to stone someone.
Are you this much of a buzzkill in person? :P
To answer your question, God is the source of all creation, through whom all other forms of being come into existence. He also does not stand opposed to what He created, rather He delights in all creation, and invites that creation to partake in Him and His designs. Meaning, we can give credit and honor to other things, without somehow lessening our love and recognition of God. God is not petty, or in need of our worship. We do so because we need it.
For lack of a better word, saints are simply people who "cooperate" with God's grace in whatever manner was best and fitting to each, better than the rest of us. We can ask them for guidance in the same way they received it. There's no secret ingredient or special worship of them.
Notice, nobody is saying you have to ask saints for help or prayers. As I said, God simply delights in us playing an active role in His Church through His graces. The saints are simply humble examples of those graces at work.
Again, proper understanding of this requires - requires - you to quit telling yourself all prayer is worship, because it isn't. but if you are not willing you soften your stance, then that's between you and God.
Have a blessed Easter.
I want to become a Catholic because god showed me in a dream that Catholics where in the right. It’s kinda hard to believe because I grew up Protestant and was taught Catholics aren’t Christian’s. I finally just prayed to god and he answered me in a dream that was so odd that I knew it was from him. It’s just hard to believe and I can’t deny it anymore. It’s been my own experience
Can you elaborate on that dream? What do you remember?
Now you will start praying to Mary right by putting her statue in front
Don’t over think it there’s not much of a difference except for the performance and extra rules that catholics have (that are not in the Bible fyi) . It doesn’t matter what church you pick just make sure the focus of your faith is primarily on Jesus. There’s just no point to pray to the “saints” or apostles they have literally no power they’re just people who love Jesus. They’re no different than you and I. Know that only Jesus has the power to answer your prayer. Ps I have no hate for Catholicism I grew up it. I didn’t find my faith until someone actually taught me what it was saying in a Christian church called Calvary chapel.
@@devilsandchargersfan385there is a big difference my friend we have all the right teachings and we are the true church Christ established! And most importantly we have the eucharist where the real presence of our Lord Jesus Christ is!
@@axomorlora3625 it’s just my experience. Find one religious group or person that has it all right and then judge me
This is an amazing video. I watched two videos on the same subject and I can assure you, from what I've seen, your argument is the most comprehensive and clear to understand. The fact that you continue you to tie it all back in to Jesus Christ and scripture is what really convinces me. This is genuinely such a helpful resource! Thank you so much for taking the time to make it!
I am Catholic and I am struggling understanding some things in the church like this. I was trying to find explanation to back my beliefs. I was wondering these exact same things. This helped a ton to strengthen my catholic faith. Thanks Bud.
Your never fail to inspire, Brian. Always keep it up!
Shame Jesus didn't inspire you.
330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics.
Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone who supported it will get eternal damnation. That means every catholic.
If you're in this club, you go to hell, according to Jesus.
As a Confessional Lutheran, thank you so much for explaining this topic very well. And using scripture, I’ve never heard the scriptures used like that in context to explain. Thanks again
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Thank you Brain. As a protestant this has been a question of mine.
Why was Saul wrong in trying to communicate with the dead Samuel? (1 Chronicles 10:13). (1 Samuel 28:7-19)
** Samuel is a saint, based on the criteria at 8:52. He did intercessory prayer for his people (1 Samuel 7:7-8; 1 Samuel 9:6-10) and God heard him. But once Samuel died (1 Samuel 28:3) being called from the spirit realm was a disturbance for Samuel (1 Samuel 28:15) and a contributor for Saul's demise. How is Samuel's case different from calling on other saints who passed on?
** You are right (5:22) , God is the God of the living. When a believer dies, his body is dead but his spirit is with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:6) But they are not alive as Christ is alive and interceding for us ( Romans 8:34). Since he rose from the dead, he has eternal priesthood unlike other priests that died and can not continue their intercession ( Hebrew 7:23-24).
So, the question is where in the bible do we find the saint's continued intercession once their spirit has passed on?
** Isaiah 8:19 says "When someone tells you to consult mediums and spirits, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?"
- The spirit's sainthood does not seem to have an exception because the comparison is between talking directly to God vs using spirits or mediums. if there are specified exceptions, could you please state where in the bible it is?
***As for Jesus (6:17); Jesus is God. Him ordering where the spirit of a human be (on earth or the spirit realm) is his prerogative as God. He brought the spirit of Lazarus from the dead (the spirit realm to his body) and similarly he called on Moses and Elijah to appear.
But in the case of the sear in 1 Samuel 28; I do not believe it is her demonic spirit who brought forth Samuel but God who finally decided to rebuke Saul. I could be wrong but I believe that neither demons nor humans have the authority to tell the spirit of a saint where to be but God. If it is otherwise, could you please give an example from the bible?
- In both Jesus's and the sear's case; the spirits appeared at the location where they were called, implying that they were limited by space. So from where in the Bible can their presence to all who call on them be inferred?
- Also in line with brothers praying for other brothers James 5:14-16 says "Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord." The Question is, if praying to the dead closer to God is a better approach, why does James say call on the elders and not mention the prayer to the saints in the spirit realm?
Lastly, Was Saul wrong because he used a sear instead of praying to Samuel himself?
** The sear used a demonic spirit to call on the dead so it is clearly wrong. And we are told to pray in the Spirit in Ephesians 6:18. So if the argument is that we use the spirit of God unlike her, my question is as such, Is not the spirit already in the role of intercesion in our behalf in Roman 8:26?
- So why ask the interceding Spirit to get us in communication with the saints to take his role as an intercessor? Would it not be like sending a messenger to another parity to give him back the message he is sent to deliver?
If you have read this far, Thank you and I would greatly appreciate the reply. Thank you for your time.
Only God knows whose names are in the book of life. It’s not up to “the church” to decide who is a saint.
@@Jay-oj4hjexactly the same church you say has no power Jesus says that its the pillar and ground of truth, his bride and whatever they loss and bound in earth will be lost and bound in heaven...
@@yeabsiraasefa4959 Saul was wrong because what he did was necromancy which is conjuring the dead (but actually demons) for personal gain. However, calling in the saints for clarification in Gods will on His time and means is a good thing.
As a Protestant, I greatly appreciate how detailed yet comprehensive your videos are! One question that I’ve thought of regarding the intercession of the saints is to what extent do you perceive omnipresence and/ or omniscience as divine attributes? If my understanding of it is correct (and if not definitely correct me!) a saint is able to intercede for all who pray to them, so theoretically for potentially hundreds or thousands of people at the same time? Would that not ascribe to them the ability to hear/see all or be present in multiple places at the same time? And if that is the case, would that not be a divine characteristic that is being attributed to them? Perhaps there’s an aspect of this I’m not fully understanding, I would love to hear your perspective! Blessings 🤍
Saints or to be precise all people in Heaven have a beautific vision which they gain from God. I believe that is the reason.
Thank you for the kind words! This is somewhat of a mystery, but you could speculate that they do not exist in time. Time means change and they no longer experience change the way we do. They have become their final selves, no longer in transition. As such, they have all eternity to simply be. Time would be irrelevant to them. Further, it's likely that this is God's power operating through them. They aren't themselves omniscient, but in communion with God, they, perhaps, share in his divine power.
Also remember that all they do is because God allows them. They help because it’s part of God’s plan. It’s only His will at work
There is an issue with how people view omniscience or omnipresence.
They basically view them in additive way.
For them, being omniscience is to know the sum of everything and being omniscient is to be in the sum of all places.
And since God alone is omniscient and omnipresent, then no one else can be in every place and know for the thoughts of every human being at once.
A better view of those attributes will be as qualitative. Omnipresence means the presence is without limit and omniscience means the knowledge is without limit.
For exemple, if God grants an individual the ability to know everything about each creature at once, that person will still not being omniscient because even though his/her knowledge would be very important, it would still be limited. The sum of finite knowledge doesn't equal infinite knowledge. In order for that person to be omniscient, he/she should also know all about God as God himself, which is impossible since the infinite creature can never absorb the infinite.
The same is true for omnipresence. God is "present" in everything that exists because he is the source of being, no being can exist or sustain by itself without God. So even if a creature was present in every place on earth or in the inverse, inside the mind of every creature, he/she wouldn't still be omnipresent because he or she cannot be present in God as God is present in himself since God is infinite.
Another issue is that people use a bad reasoning to conclude that the intercession of saints requires omnipresence/omniscience.
The reasoning is something like:
God is omniscience and omnipresent
Thus, God can hear our prayers even in mind
Therefore, it is necessary to be omniscient /omnipresent to hear prayers
Saints in heaven don't need to be omnipresent or omniscient, they only need to be aware of the prayers of their brethren/or those who ask for their intercession. They only need to be united to them. Another attribute of God that people really don't consider is omnipotence. God does what he wants. Uniting the Church of heaven to their brethren in this life is not something out of his reach. If He wants it, he will make it happen.
Actually, a good argument can be made for that union from Hebrews 12,22-24:
But what you have come to is Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem where the millions of angels have gathered for the festival, .with the whole Church of first-born sons, enrolled as CITIZENS OF HEAVEN. You have come to God himself, the supreme Judge, and to the SPIRITS OF THE UPRIGHT WHO HAVE BEEN MADE PERFECT ; and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to purifying blood which pleads more insistently than Abel's."
@@BrianHoldsworthExcellently put that they do not experience time the way we do. It's possible that in the afterlife there are multiple dimensions of time, an idea that actually explains a LOT of Scripture as well as near death experiences. Picture time down here as flowing along a line, that for all practical purposes we cannot deviate from, nor even make the line bend. Now imagine that line on the surface of a sphere, and in the perpendicular direction to the line is another line representing a second time dimension. One could travel initially along the first line, then deviate into the orthogonal direction awhile (amassing experiences there separate from those on the main timeline), and then eventually loop back onto the main shared pathway. I think about that a lot, it explains many mysteries. Just my two cents.
Brian, this was a great video! I love your icons!
Great video Brian. Well said. God Bless. 🙏🏻
I think you are doing an awesome job here on your channel. Sharing your videos. Thank you.
I’m still confused. Why is Jesus not sufficient? I see no need to pray to saints or Mary. I don’t see instructions for this in Scripture either.
He is sufficient ! He said "I am the Way,the Truth, and the Light. No man comes to the Father but through me. " John 14:6 When He was about to die on the cross, His last words were It is finished...meaning He had now bridged the gap between God and man. He IS enough and He is sufficient !! He alone can save...
I realized I misquoted the scripture... it's Way,Truth,and Life....though He is the light also...:)...
James 5:16 "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed"
This is such a stretch, to say that because the Saints are not dead in Christ that praying to them to intercede is somehow permissible. My Pastor is not dead in Christ, but I do not go to church and pray to him, I pray with him and ask that he pray with me. Saint Paul is not kneeling with me at church. My Pastor is. Two earthly bound believers praying together to have Christ be with us. No one comes to the Father except through Christ. So this business where a legalistic practice was created by the Roman Catholic Church and justified by making correlations between between prayer references and references about the ones that died in Christ but still live on, is way too confusing. Legalistic practices that have no direct order given by Christ when he was here, but some how is adopted by man to basically replace the role of the Pharisees. Jesus spoke of the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, yet the Roman Catholic replaces them with Priests. I don’t know, this is confusing and God is not the author of confusion.
@@Cklertyes we confess to each other, not to ones that have passed but still live in the presence of the Lord. We don’t have to have a Priest for confession. We have Christ and each other. The Legalistic practices of the Catholic Church confuses me when Jesus was against how the Pharisees conducted themselves. Yet the Catholic Church replaced all the legal practices with new ones based on references and poor correlations between prayer and statements made by Christ about ones that passed.
This helped me so much. I chose to be baptized again as a Christian last year. But since that time, I have wrestled with questions about praying to saints, how to find the right fellowship and how the traditions and rituals of Catholicism that I grew up with could remain in my Christian life. This brief video answered so many questions by citing passages in the Bible that some may "gloss over." I just Subscribed. Thank you, and God bless.
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Spectacular video! Thank you Brian!
as someone who was raised catholic and never really believed, the saints were always my favorite part of the catholic religion, especially asking patron saints for help always made me feel better
Alcohol made me feel better ... that's not any sort of pointer to what the Bible says.
That's Catholic tradition and non scriptural...
Brother Brian, this was one of the most beautiful expositions on the matter I've seen or read.
Thank you for this. This was extremely insightful.
This comment comes with respect and maybe I can get questions answered from Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ on some of my concerns. I am a Lutheran and I also hold the saints at a very high level of respect and admiration.I have heard Catholics say “praying for intercession is like asking a friend for prayer” and “the saints are alive and not dead” and I understand their argument there. My hesitation of prayer to the saints comes from not the act “on paper” so to speak, but how the act is actually played out. The saints have their own(for lack of a better word) “specialty” . You might pray to one saint for healing, another for strength and patience, another because you can’t find your car keys… and the act of asking the saints for intercession during your prayer to God tends to look as if it’s played out as a Polytheistic style of prayer. ( I know it’s not but it APPEARS that way… especially with all the specialties that these saints are given) but another concern is when you look into prayer journals of many ancient Catholics… numerous of prayers are said to many saints and the majority appear to be to Mary, it gives the appearance that God is given the back burner while Mary and the saints are receiving the glory for answered prayers when it’s in fact God that answers these prayers. Like I said I say this in respect to Catholics but I fear that the argument of “don’t you ask your fellow Christian’s to pray for you?” Doesn’t gut deep enough Into the issues that Protestants tend to see In prayer to the saints… feel free to talk, explain, enlighten if you will… but let’s be respectful.
Maybe consider looking at it this way. God did not need the dirt to create Adam, He did not need the ark to save Noah, He did not need Abraham to establish His people, He did not need Moses as I deliver His people, He did need the apostles to start the Church, and He did not need The Most Blessed Virgin Mary to come into the world. However, God is perfect, and by His perfect will He chose these means to manifest His Glory. Now with the Saints everything is elevated because the saints or “in” Christ, this elevates saints to an incomprehensible level higher than any chosen person of God preceding the unification of Our Lords mystical Body.
This is by far not a comprehensive response but only an introduction to the idea. Consider these verses
Romans 12:4-6 “For as in one body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function,
so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith”
1 Corinthians 12:26-27
“If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.
Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.”
Those who are in Christ glorify Christ, honoring those in Christ honors Christ. Without Christ no saint, no not one, could do a thing for you (including finding your car keys).
@@dherpin4874where does Jesus say to pray to saints? Or anywhere in the Bible. Where does the rosary come from?
@@neomaschannel4898 are you asserting Our Lord had to explicitly say something for it to be true?
@@dherpin4874I’m saying we should be focusing on what he DID say to do. He taught us how to pray to the father, and told us his commandments. People have to make more out of what’s already beyond enough. I think if Jesus wanted us to pray to saints, then he wouldn’t told us to or how. He told us to pray the father, and taught us exactly what to say and ask for. Why do you need more?
@ sure, but more importantly the to the saints is His divinity, however He never once said He was God, or did He just not explicitly? He never mentioned the Bible or the need to reed it, or did He? He never spoke of the Holy Trinity, or did He? Just because one does not see (or does not want to see it) does not mean it is not there. ‘Eye to see and ears to hear’. He definitely taught about calling on all of Heaven including angels and saints, and He Himself relied on at a minimum Moses, Elijah, and angels. Gods needs nothing or no one, but He choses and appoints whomever He choses and appoints.
The devil is planting the seed of division among brothers. What does it matter as long as you pray.
I’ve been thinking about going from being Protestant for Catholic for a while and this has helped clear up my main issue. It’s still a new topic for me, and one that’s a bit nerve wracking to try, but I appreciate your video. Thanks!
Pray and read scripture. May the Almighty lead you to truth and understanding. He will light your path if you ask ❤✝
I always wondered about this. Every time I turn around it appears that there is a different saint for something, and reminded me of how ancient Greeks had a different God for everything. Evangelicals stand on God saying "Don't pray to anyone other than me" so when we hear people praying to saints it's like nope nope nope. Not worth risking a holy spanking.
Yes. We are all called to be saints "Be holy as I am holy."
@@daphniefarkas5703 there are many different saints to call on for many different reasons. Just as God does not need a plumber to fix a leak in your home, a dentist to fix the tooth in your mouth, or a mechanic to fix your car. However He choses for us to live in a communal word in a communal way. In the same way He does not need the saints but choses them to act on our behalf (by His Grace and Power)
This is a well done video with wonderful points. As a Protestant, one more argument comes up. When Saul seeks Samuel from the dead, he is forbidden to do that, Samuel is upset about it, but still helps him and tells him what will happen. Please help me understand. Thanks!
Was Saul seeking to know the future, or asking the dead to carry his prayers to God?
thank you for the best explanation that I've heard
Thank you 🙏🏻 one of the best explanation on why we pray to the Saints 🙏🏻
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Brian, you have such a special gift to articulate the Catholic faith in a way that is easily understood. Keep up the good work!
Great points. Christ the one Mediator and Head intercedes, therefore the members of His Body participate in His intercession. Thus these members call upon one another for intercession, even calling upon members who have gone to be at Home with their Head, for they remain mutually united in His Body.
Praying to saints is soo weird.
It is like sitting on a dinner table with your family, and never adressing your grandfather directly, but always asking other family members to relay your words to your grandfather.
Meanwhile your grandfather is sitting right next to you......
Except we do pray to God constantly. We just also talk tot he people around the table too.
Asking or praying to saints to pray for you you, is not different than asking others here on earth to pray for you. You do it out of faith and union in the body of Christ for one another. It is not a requirement for salvation to ask for prayers or make prayers to one another for prayers to be made. But, it can be a blessing. In your analogy would it be weird also to only talk to your grandfather while ignoring everyone else also? Maybe.
Pauls says “I urge, then, first of all, that PETITIONS, PRAYERS, INTERCESSION AND THANKSGIVING BE MADE FOR ALL PEOPLE . . . 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” - 1 Tim 2:1, 3-4. (NIV);
“ *PRAY AT ALL TIMES IN THE SPIRIT, WITH ALL PRAYER AND SUPPLICATION. TO THAT END KEEP ALERT WITH ALL PERSEVERANCE, MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS *…” - Ephesians 6:18.
16 If ANYONE sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, HE SHOULD PRAY TO GOD AND HE WILL GIVE HIM LIFE. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly. - 1 John 5:16-17.
Saints in the body of Christ, his church, include those who have died before us in Christ as well as those alive on earth at the time.
The Saints do not stop praying for one another.
“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and IN MY FLESH I DO MY SHARE ON BEHALF OF HIS BODY, WHICH IS THE CHURCH, IN FILLING UP WHAT IS LACKING IN CHRIST’S AFFLICTIONS.” - Colossians 1:24.
“Therefore, SINCE WE ARE SURROUNDED BY SO GREAT A CLOUD OF WITNESSES, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us” - Hebrews 12:1.
“Therefore, confess your sins to one another and PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER, THAT YOU MAY BE HEALED. THE PRAYER OF A RIGHTEOUS PERSON HAS GREAT POWER as it is working.” - James 5:16.
“Brethren, join in following my example, and OBSERVE THOSE WHO WALK ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN you have in us.” - Philippians 3:17.
“When He had taken the book, the FOUR LIVING CREATURES AND THE TWENTY-FOUR ELDERS fell down before the Lamb, EACH ONE HOLDING A HARP AND GOLDEN BOWLS FULL OF INCENSE *WHICH ARE THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS* ”- Revelation 5:8b.
“HE WAS GIVEN A GREAT QUANTITY OF INCENSE TO OFFER, ALONG WITH THE PRAYERS OF ALL THE HOLY ONES, ON THE GOLD ALTAR THAT WAS BEFORE THE THRONE. 4 The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.” - Rev 8:3b-4.
Can you tell grandpa to pass the salt please.
@@BrianHoldsworth sure, sure,
But now imagine this.
Grandpa is sitting next to you.
You tell your mother: Can you ask Granpa to do this to me
You tell your father: Oh please forward this message to Granpa
You tell your sister: Tell grandpa of such and so problems i had
You tell your nephew: Tell granpa i thank him.
All the while Grandpa is sitting next to you.
Catholics don't understand the concept that the vail was torn that separated us from God. We now have direct access to the father because of christ finished work on the cross. There is no mediator between us and God anymore. We can go in prayer straight to Jesus and God Himself and talk directly to Him for forgiveness, prayer request, or simply talking to Him. Any other teaching and prayer to the dead is unbiblical and idolatry.
If I pray to anyone then I worship that person....period!!
A prayer is a request. We do not worship courts when we file a prayer of petition in a jurisdiction, or use the phrase "pray tell" common language. It is only weird because you are only used to using the word "pray" in a single situation today, when throughout history we made requests all the time for one another. Pauls says “I urge, then, first of all, that PETITIONS, PRAYERS, INTERCESSION AND THANKSGIVING BE MADE FOR ALL PEOPLE . . . 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” - 1 Tim 2:1, 3-4. (NIV)
“ *PRAY AT ALL TIMES IN THE SPIRIT, WITH ALL PRAYER AND SUPPLICATION. TO THAT END KEEP ALERT WITH ALL PERSEVERANCE, MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS *…” - Ephesians 6:18.
The Bible says you only pray to the Father through the Son.....period!@@Jesus3ITrustinThee
@@Red22762 Scripture then please
@@Jesus3ITrustinThee. Matthew 6:9-13
You can pray to Jesus and the Holy Spirit but ultimately you should be praying to the Father in Jesus’s name by the power of the Holy Spirit.
@@Jay-oj4hj Thank you. The Our Father is no doubt an ancient and grace-filled prayer that is prayed daily in the Mass worship, and in the Divine Office of praying the psalms daily at different hours of the day. Another ancient prayer of the Church is the Jesus Prayer, derived from Luke 18:9-14, which has a rich tradition among Orthodox Catholics, and the Sanctus is prayed during daily Mass service from Rev. 4:8.
Thank you, I've been searching high and low for this kind of explanation, you really gave it a nice one, but I don't know if I'm dumb and can't understand the concept of praying to them, but it was illuminating, thanks. Also because erery other catholics gets bothered answering this question.
Him saying that throwing stones at the church is throwing stones at Christs body doesn’t hold that much weight, when the Church circumvents scripture and resorts to venerating men and man made rules that aren’t found in the Bible.
Thank you for the thorough explanation.
I've been curious about the differences in Catholics and Protestant's for a while now and want to thank you for your videos. I agree wholeheartedly with your points about the body of Christ needing to love each other and that we shouldn't be attacking each other. This is where I really see us Protestants fall apart - we love infighting - which is not helpful. Though I would say it's also not helpful for you to make disparaging remarks towards Pentecostals. Please take all of my criticisms here with love, as that's how they're intended.
I've watched other videos, read blog posts, and looked through the comments you've responded to as well as the scriptures you've listed supporting the claims, and I just don't see the support for praying to the dead. The analogy about asking another brother to pray for you falls flat when there's such a massive difference in asking a living person versus a dead person to do something for you.
If the saints are closer members of His body and we're asking, that still falls flat. The foot doesn't ask the shoulder to ask the head - it goes straight to the head.
Saying Jesus communicated with Elijah, so we can pray to the dead, doesn't make sense. It would mean that if Elijah appeared to you in a vision you could talk to him, not that you should be aiming your prayers to him.
The most compelling part (to me anyway) is the miracles you talked about upon praying to the saints.
Old response but to address your point Catholics don’t see the saints as dead, they are alive in heaven. God is the God of the living. We are granted eternal life, that’s the whole point.
Rev 7:15-17 “They (saints in glory) are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will dwell among them…for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters.…”
Saints are a part of the living Christian community and Catholics feel deeply close to them in the same way as a friend or family member. How horrible would it be to not speak to your family members or give them any love and honor just because they were in a different place you couldn’t see. Catholics believe that they still care about us and pray for us even though they are in heaven now so we must not forget them too. In the same way Jesus wants us to treat others with kindness and love we treat saints the same because they are in the body of Christ and a part of our community.
@stephenmeehan8927 context matters….
Do you pray outside of your “closet” or in front of anyone? If so then you are violating Mathew 6:6 as well. However, I would think right about now you are not taking that verse as literal as you were when “protesting” Catholicism.
If you believe praying to the saints is not praying to God then I would recommend you spend more time contemplating how it is we are able to call God Father and be “in” the Body of Christ.
Lastly, not all traditions are of man and for man, if so you would have to get rid of a great many things like birthdays, Christmas, the Bible, and so on. Again, I would think you are holding those verses a little more loosely than when you were using them to “protest” the Church.
Context matters, and you will not understand the context of scripture if your goal of scripture is to “protest” Catholicism and not seek the truth of scripture. Not a personal attack because you are in a belief system that is by its namesake a religion of protestantism which as a faith based on being anti Catholic (instead of pro gospel/truth)
@@dherpin4874you've sent this exact same reply multiple times now
@@ChildishSoap a question to ask is is the answer relevant, not has it been used before. Wouldn’t you agree?
If Marry is heaven, she cannot hear our prayers. Only God omnipresent and omnipotent.
That’s why Jesus I am the way, the Truth and The life. No one comes to the Father except through Him.
Truely Illuminating piece. To my knowledge no body explained the topic better than you. 🎉
The Vatican 2 documents explained :
Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only:
Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only:
1) Indifferentism
2) Syncretism and Synthesis
3) Immanent
4) Transcendentalism
5) Individualism
6) Existentialism, naturalism
7) Stoicism
8) Pantheism
9) Evolution
10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic…
If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical
“ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life.
As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!!
The Vatican II documents : briefly
1) Christ is united with each man in the Incarnation before Jesus was even born (Gaudium et Spes #22)
2) Protestant religions are a means of salvation and all other denominations. (Unitatis Redintegratio #3)
3) non-catholics made lawfully receive Holy Communion and the sacraments of the church.(Orientalium Ecclesiarum #27)
4) Muslims and Catholics together worship the same God (Lumen Gentium #16)
5) the Catholic church is united with those who don't accept the Catholic faith or the papacy. Lumen Gentium #15)
6) some people above the Age of Reason don't believe in God through no fault of their own. Lumen Gentium #16)
7) and the Buddhism man search the highest illumination. (Nostra Aetate #2)
8) all things on earth should be related to man as their Center and Crown. (Gaudium et Spes #12).
Then what are we to do you ask ?
If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do, in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the “Third Secret”. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!!
What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said, to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary !! 15 decades, everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile!! You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! This means all Vatican 2 priests and parishioners also the sspx, sspv, cmri, fssps… It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell if you go to any of these groups who support and embrace “Invincible ignorance” and also “baptism of desire and blood” that the Traditional Catholic church teaches against !!! Subjective v.s Objective heresy !!! You can be in the soul of the church and not be a member heresy these groups, the sspx and others Embrace these heresies !!! along with using the St Joseph's missile (THIS IS A condemned missile) if anyone, even the Pope, tells you that it's not a condemned missile they are - A - Liar !! don't believe them, they're a liar and a Heretic !!! Heretics will send you to Hell !!!
You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bible and no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!!
What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!!
But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church sspx, sspv, fssp…. even if it's empty do not go in it !!! Judgment day is almost here.
P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them.
God Love You
I appreciate you taking time to dig into this. So many great points. I apologize in advance for this is going to be a little long but I have a couple questions / counter-points.
1) Sidestepping Jesus as mediator / praying as a body or Christ instead of individuals:
I agree with you for the most part here. We are supposed to pray for each other. However, the reference to a "chain of command" is really close to "remaining under the law". The veil was torn and we no longer require a high priest to carry our prayers to God on our behalf. So I would argue that continuing in that manner of thinking is incorrect. However, that's not to say you shouldn't pray to saints but that you probably shouldn't do it for that reason.
Here's where things get weird though. Even if it is ok to pray to saints, there's definitely examples of where prayers to saints go too far and become prayers where Jesus is being substituted. See below the Memorare. It's a prayer to Mary, asking for mercy.
Memorare
Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary,
that never was it known that anyone who fled to your
protection,
implored your help, or sought your intercession,
was left unaided.
Inspired by this confidence,
I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother.
To you do I come, before you I stand, sinful and
sorrowful.
O Mother of the Word Incarnate,
despise not my petitions,
but in your mercy, hear and answer me.
Amen.
Here's another example:
Prayer to Mother Mary for Protection
We fly to your protection, most holy Mother of God; please listen to our petitions and needs, and deliver us from all dangers, ever glorious and blessed Virgin Mary.
...
Morning Prayer to Mother Mary
My queen, my mother,
I offer myself to you.
...
Prayers offering yourself to Mary, asking Mary for protection, asking Mary for mercy are very different than asking Mary to pray for you. Maybe it's just a question of theory vs practice but the way that Mary has been treated by the church is definitely idolatry.
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2) Are saints dead
Those are some really good points. However, the dead are often referred to as sleeping. So how would they hear prayers when asleep?
Luke 8:52 - Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing,” Jesus said. “She is not dead but asleep.”
John 11:11 - After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.”
Acts 13:36 - “Now when David had served God’s purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his ancestors and his body decayed.
Then there's a question on the timing of some of this. Have the saints already been raised to heaven or will that wait until the last day? Of course, Elijah was raised to heaven already, as this was witnessed. However, it's interesting to note that Moses also appeared to Jesus. The only thing I can say there is that there are exceptional cases in the bible and we should be careful not to treat those as normative cases.
John 6:39-40 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
John 11:24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
John 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
Same thing goes for revelation. What's the timing? Have the saints always been there, pleading justice or did they have to remain asleep for a time?
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3) Church is the authority for spiritual issues
I'm pretty torn on this. I definitely agree that there needs to be an authority and we shouldn't just continually fracture until every is his own church. However, there are definitely times where the church has abused its authority on spiritual matters. This is where I see a lot of protestants struggle is how to reconcile those. When people criticized the practice of selling indulgences and the church excommunicated them does that mean that those people were lost to the kingdom of God even though the church was abusing its authority? And this wasn't something only the Roman Catholic Church has dealt with. Paul's letters often dealt with issues within the church so we know that the church isn't without need of correction.
Similarly, Pope Francis said "All religions are paths to God." Now maybe that's being taken way out of context. But if it isn't, that's a pretty heretical thing to say. So if we were to accept that the Pope is the ultimate authority of the church then that puts us in a difficult position.
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Just wanted to say again that I really appreciate you taking the time to discuss these things and I look forward to future discussions.
I never understand the problem Protestants have with the intercession of the saints. Even before my conversion from Protestantism to Catholicism, this issue has always seemed straight forward and easy to grasp. To deny the intercession of the saints is to be logically inconsistent with biblical data and what it entails.
How does one know if that one saint is in heaven? Are you sure? I know Jesus hears my prayers...why would i go to a creation when i can talk to the Creator? moronic, demonic.
Asking dead believers for intercession is not biblical. Necromancy is different from asking alive believers for intercession
Out of all videos on this subject, this is the best. As a confessional Lutheran who has a lot of qualms with the RCCs theology but one area that I can’t seem to find biblical evidence against is saintly intercessions. Christ is my ultimate mediator and intercessor but asking the Lord Jesus and the Saints to cheer me on in my race of holiness seems evident to me in Hebrews 12:1. The cloud of witnesses cheers me on and I ask them to cheer me on alongside my Lord
I hope every priest can explain like this.....because up until now i don't understand why we have fiestas for saints.....
Thank you so much. There are really no priests online that have made a case for praying to Mary or the Saints
even if Mary and the saints that passed away are concious after death, God still commanded us to not communicate with the dead, God calls those who passed away as the dead and HE said not to inquire of the dead.
Intercessory prayer for the saints dead on earth (but alive in Christ in heaven) and on earth is all throughout scripture
“First of all, then, I URGE THAT ENTREATIES AND PRAYERS, PETITIONS AND THANKSGIVINGS, BE MADE ON BEHALF OF ALL MEN . . . 3 THIS IS GOOD AND ACCEPTABLE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD OUR SAVIOR, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim 1, 3;
“ *PRAY AT ALL TIMES IN THE SPIRIT, WITH ALL PRAYER AND SUPPLICATION. TO THAT END KEEP ALERT WITH ALL PERSEVERANCE, MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS *…” - Ephesians 6:18.
16 If ANYONE sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, HE SHOULD PRAY TO GOD AND HE WILL GIVE HIM LIFE. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly. - 1 John 5:16-17.
“Therefore, SINCE WE ARE SURROUNDED BY SO GREAT A CLOUD OF WITNESSES, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us” - Hebrews 12:1.
“Therefore, confess your sins to one another and PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER, THAT YOU MAY BE HEALED. THE PRAYER OF A RIGHTEOUS PERSON HAS GREAT POWER as it is working.” - James 5:16.
“Brethren, join in following my example, and OBSERVE THOSE WHO WALK ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN you have in us.” - Philippians 3:17.
"1 [a]When he had finished all his words to the people, he entered Capernaum.[b] 2 A centurion[c] there had a slave who was ill and about to die, and he was valuable to him. 3 WHEN HE HEARD ABOUT JESUS, HE SENT ELDERS OF THE JEWS TO HIM, ASKING HIM TO COME AND SAVE THE LIFE OF HIS SLAVE. 4 They approached Jesus and strongly urged him to come, saying, “He deserves to have you do this for him, 5 for he loves our nation and he built the synagogue for us.” 6 And Jesus went with them, but WHEN HE WAS ONLY A SHORT DISTANCE FROM THE HOUSE, THE CENTURION SENT FRIENDS to tell him, “Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you enter under my roof.[d] 7 Therefore, I did not consider myself worthy to come to you; but say the word and let my servant be healed. 8 For I too am a person subject to authority, with soldiers subject to me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come here,’ and he comes; and to my slave, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 9 When Jesus heard this he was amazed at him and, turning, said to the crowd following him, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith.” 10 When the messengers returned to the house, THEY FOUND THE SLAVE in good health." Luke 7:1-10;
for we do not know how to pray as we should, but THE SPIRIT HIMSELF INTERCEDES FOR US with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because HE INTERCEDES FOR THE SAINTS ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD.” - Romans 8:26-27
“2 And he was transfigured before them; his face shone like the sun and his clothes became white as light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, conversing with him.” - Mt. 17:2-3;
“When He had taken the book, the FOUR LIVING CREATURES AND THE TWENTY-FOUR ELDERS fell down before the Lamb, EACH ONE HOLDING A HARP AND GOLDEN BOWLS FULL OF INCENSE *WHICH ARE THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS* ”- Revelation 5:8b.
“HE WAS GIVEN A GREAT QUANTITY OF INCENSE TO OFFER, ALONG WITH THE PRAYERS OF ALL THE HOLY ONES, ON THE GOLD ALTAR THAT WAS BEFORE THE THRONE. 4 The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.” - Rev 8:3b-4.
Does that include rebuking satan?
Didn’t God say all the dead in him are alive in him?
Inquire means to ask for information, extract, or investigate.
Praying to the saints or mary is not like that
5:16
@@PoppinPsinceAD33they are alive in that they have eternal life...but their business with the world is finished, and there is a day of resurrection. My grandpa died, alive with the Lord I believe, but dead to us. When Jesus died, He was indeed dead, until he bodily resurrected.
Why when 1 Timothy says we have one mediator do Catholics want more mediators??
God bless you for the clear information you gave us.
I still don't get it. Why pray to the saints instead of praying directly to Jesus/God. Why wouldn't God hear your prayer directed to him or why would He prefer to hear the prayer you prayed to a saint?
Asking a Saint to pray for you is the same as asking a friend to pray for you. As it is written, "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working." James 5:16
Asking someone who is in the prescence of God to pray for you grants us comfort, peace, and strength.
@OneHeavennn I want to know how you confess your sins and pray together with a Saint, who is supposedly in heaven.
@@ChosenProverb no one asks me things as they do to the saints
@@信者の男 Well.. that's sad that no one's asked you to pray for them my friend.
Thank you so much, God bless you.
Nowhere in the Old testament one can see any such practice or Command that the followers were praying or communicating to the Souls or Spirits of the Earlier Patriarchs , Prophets and Saints . They did call out to the God of Abraham , Issac and Jacob , but not to the Souls or Spirits of Prophets or any of them directly or indirectly after their physical death. Abraham , Moses and David were all great men of God, but nobody is ever shown as praying to them.
Even in the New Testament , The parable of Rich and poor man souls. Abraham says that people on earth need to follow the Scriptures and he himself cannot influence them from his place above.
Christ himself mentioned elsewehere ,the Alive to leave the dead in burying and to Follow Himself.
Also in the Transfiguration event with Moses and Elijahs brief appearance amidst the Glory of Jesus. As Peter tries to attribute honor to Moses and Elijah alongside Jesus. God the Father tells about focussing on Jesus.
We dont also see in any of Pauls or the other Apostolic letters , where prayer , blessing or Glory was to attributed to tye souls or Spirits of any of the Christian Martyrs like St.Stephen or St.James whose Martyrdom is recorded in the Bible.
Even the second generation Church Fathers like Polycarp or Iranaeus don't write about praying directly to the Souls and Spirits of departed Apostles.
Thank Jesus for man like this who defend our Holy Catholic faith
This was solid, brother. Thank you.
Thank you for the clear explanation! ❤
3:56 No, God hears every prayer.
That was a facepalm moment. Is he stating that God will have a higher likelihood to answer a prayer if more people or even people in "authority" initiates/joins that prayer?
@@hyperspaceexplorer5594well the Bible more or less says "a praier of a pious person is powerful".
And a Saint is indeed a pious person.
@@Phantom-xp2co but who has the authority to declare who is a saint?
@@hyperspaceexplorer5594The Church.
@@thegreypilgrim2849 Who is the Church?
Thank you so much ❤
You accidentally equivocate the terms for death in this. When God says not to talk to the dead he is talking about trying to talk to people no longer alive on this earth. Thats the point in the prohibition. Of course they may be alive spiritually otherwise there would be no point talking to them. But the Bible expressely forbids trying to talk to people after they have died on this earth.
we pray for the saints to intercede for us as Jesus instructed us to.
Where does the Bible say we can pray to the saints that have died physically?
It doesn't. Catholics just say we can ask for saint intercession because Jesus said those who have died in Him are alive; and that if we pray to those who are alive in heaven they can hear us somehow.
@@Rachel_D03 Where is this in the Bible?
Catholics use Mark 12:27 to justify praying to the saints when this verse has nothing to do with prayer.@@felixgilberto25
@@felixgilberto25 it's not. It's idolatry.
@@KevinNordstrom no it isn’t
Raised Catholic ✋️
I agree with you sir.
Good to hear a well exlpained explanation. ❤
All this being said, I think we could help ourselves by not saying things like “I prayed to St. X and asked him to help me love people better”. I think it’d be less scandalous to Protestants (and more theologically accurate) to say things like, “I asked St. X to pray that I love people better”.
The latter uses intercessory language while the former seems to imply that the saint is the one you expect to make you more loving.
As a protestant I appreciate that.
Yes.
Common saints prayer are in fact requests:
"Oh Holy Mary, pray for us"
@stephenmeehan8927You can't read, can you?
@stephenmeehan8927 context matters….
Do you pray outside of your “closet” or in front of anyone? If so then you are violating Mathew 6:6 as well. However, I would think right about now you are not taking that verse as literal as you were when “protesting” Catholicism.
If you believe praying to the saints is not praying to God then I would recommend you spend more time contemplating how it is we are able to call God Father and be “in” the Body of Christ.
Lastly, not all traditions are of man and for man, if so you would have to get rid of a great many things like birthdays, Christmas, the Bible, and so on. Again, I would think you are holding those verses a little more loosely than when you were using them to “protest” the Church.
Context matters, and you will not understand the context of scripture if your goal of scripture is to “protest” Catholicism and not seek the truth of scripture. Not a personal attack because you are in a belief system that is by its namesake a religion of protestantism which as a faith based on being anti Catholic (instead of pro gospel/truth)
Thank you, I needed this.
How can we be sure these 'saints' went to heaven? I ask respectfully
You should research it. Although it would be easier for me to provide you an answer, researching could provide many answers and could perhaps encourage you to ask those of the world and those whom are in the prescence of God to pray for you.
You cannot ask a dead person for a favor. All prayer is a form of worship. If you think otherwise then Hindus don’t actually worship Vishnu and other gods.
Prayer basically means to ask for something. That's what a dictionary will tell you. Generally means asking God or some deity but NOT ALWAYS. I thought as you and when I felt drawn to the Catholic Church (I was Protestant for over 50 years ), I said prayers to Mary was wrong. But I was open to the truth wherever it took me. So I looked up "prayer" in the dictionary and I was surprised that it agreed with the Catholic understanding of prayer. It also agrees with the Protestant understanding. It has several meanings.
So if we know from the dictionary that prayer is a request of someone and we know that all those in heaven is alive (as God says He is the God of the living and not the dead) then it is right to ask the saints to pray with us to Jesus Christ who is the only mediator between God and man.
I am one of millions that has left Protestantism for truth in Catholicism from studying the Bible God bless you.
The Bible teach us to pray TO GOD and pray FOR one another, TO GOD. Notice our prayers are always TO GOD! NO where in the Bible, where we find the teachings of Christianity, does it say to pray TO someone who has passed or TO someone who is alive on this earth. "PRAYING TO" is always TO GOD. This is easy for any student of the Bible. All the examples and teachings about prayers are TO GOD. There is not one example or teaching in the Bible where we are directed to Pray TO saints who are dead or live, period. There are plenty of scripture supporting us to pray FOR one another, but not TO one another.
Praying TO those who have passed is a false doctrine taught by the catholic church, sorry to say. There is not Biblical foundation for it. GOD Bless. JESES IS LORD.
Very informative thank you
Many scriptures say not to communicate with the dead. The dead in these verses does not mean their souls are not alive. These verses are talking about those who are physically dead. If Jesus wants to communicate with the "dead" (Elijah and Moses), he certainly can because he is God. Peter, James, and John did not communicate with Elijah and Moses! Not only this, but nowhere in scripture does it say to pray to Mary or the Saints. So, what do we need to do to make it ok? "We turn to the Church's judgment", Brian says. Why? Because you need someone to say "yes" to the forbidden.
He explained all that in the video, did you watch it? If you did, then you didn't understand it so you should watch it again. And again. And again. And again. Ad infinutum, until your objections and questions no longer remain because you understand what he said. A point you should pay attention to is his explanation about the body of Christ.
If you still have questions and objections, you need to watch the video again, striving to understand what he's saying. You cannot, and will not, understand him while wearing your Protestant identity. You need to have the courage to set that to one side.
The deads have no souls so do not communicate with them anymore?😂
Have you ever heard of Eternal Life?
Mais on sait que vous êtes déjà morts morts et incinérés ! Vous demeurerez dans votre mental à votre morts ! Alors gogez dans votre jus ! Les chrétiens apostoliques croient à leur résurrection au 3e jour après leur mort, là est toute la différence: ils jouissent déjà de la Vie éternelle , à plus forte raison la Saint Mère de Dieu ! Ce discours et ces arguments fumeux ne servent à rien, c’est juste bon pour ces mécréants !
Mais c’est toi le cadavre ! Les Chrétiens croient à la résurrection et le 3e jour après leur mort , ils vont rencontrer leur Seigneur, c’est prouvé et visible sur leur corps de mortel ! Pourquoi écouter encore ces discours fumeux de protestants mal formés ? Inutile.
Very valuable veido .Thanks and God bless you.
The wild rabbit trail you have to go down to believe that you can pray to the saints in heaven is mind blowing. Nothing scriptural backs this Catholic belief it’s a completely human man-made religious practice.
He literally just told you in the video, the only way you hear this and deny it is if you have a hardened heart, at least pray on it
@@BrotherChristmas78 Of course he would say that. Because anyone that disagrees with him must have a hardened heart right?
I’ve been a devout Christian for a while, and I truly searched to see the validity of his argument. But there is no scripture that backs his claim, or the Catholic belief that praying to saints is something we as Christians are called to do. We can pray to God, and we will be answered in his time, according to his will.
@@thomasipkiss8793 There's the truth and there's everything else, I can just as easily make that same argument back to you, if you'd like to refute what he said you have to address his argument specifically which you don't do, you just throw the whole thing out because it isn't what you want or believe, that's the hardened heart at play, and while I can respect your walk in the faith thus far please understand my point in saying you should pray on it is because that walk isn't over yet, and I dont want you to miss out on any of His grace, so bring it to Him
Praying to the Saints have been practiced since the early centuries for thousand years, it is practice until today by the RC, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, these 3 oldest denominations, until Protestant appeared in 17th century and reject all this, then you could think God doesn't guide His church and simply let the church adopt the wrong teaching when the Church was still young.
Many things practice in Christianity isn't scriptural to be honest, like Bible, and how ancient Church assembled it, you found no where in NT, Jesus gave instruction to the disciples on writing NT, or telling the Church to use Paul's letter when he is not even the 12 apostles, at the same time
Exactly!!!
So I used to be a Catholic and very confused and judgemental albeit not by choice. Now you tell me then, The Catholic Church is led by a Pope, a mere man will enforce the Sunday Law as the whole world wanders after the beast (Pope, Papa). Your Pope is okay with making all faiths worldwide as an interfaith-based Religion. No Peter was a very silent Apostle and the Roman Catholic Church never even existed until it was invented in the 4th or 5th century! I could go on and on and on. May I remind you that I was once a very confused and angry Catholic, even an altar boy at that.
Not a single scripture that supports prayer to saints. Neither Jesus or the apostles are said to have prayed to the saints. The ark of the covenant was commanded by God, the creation of statue saints is NOT. Miracles attributed to praying to saints also happen to Muslims, Bhuddist, Hindus etc. Satan also has power to show signs and wonders so this is not proof that praying to saints is desired by God and we should make sure our practices align with scriptures.
By the fact that Jesus tells us how to pray “Our Father who art in heaven” and the fact that he never prayed to the saints and the apostles confirmed he is the ONLY mediator between God and man meaning we only pray to Him to intercede for us, it shows that we should not be praying to saints to intercede for us. Please repent and follow Jesus. He is the only way to The Father.
I'm a Lutheran wondering about praying to saints and when he put all the puzzle pieces together, something just clicked. I've been jumping around denominations for a while now seeing each of their benefits and issues. This may be my final resting place between switching denominations.
This doesn't make sense. Jesus is the only way.
yup. instead of being convinced became confused.
I’m guessing your main concern would be doing this would taking away from Christ or your relationship with him think of it like this if you find a person you really love a good way to get to know them better the same way we could better understand Christ through his friends that made it to heaven whom are also our brothers and sisters in Christ and lived a Christ like life God loves when people can do things in his name and for him in revalions 8:4 esv “and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel” is a great example of this same like if you have a friend on this world who seems to have this line to God you would probably want them to pray for you, What about your friends thst live among God in heaven already?
The saints have prayers clearly and they would definitely want to pray for you as I doubt there is much quarrel up in paradise
I was raised a Catholic, until…I actually seriously started to read the Bible. We can read in Scriptures that Lord Jesus commanded the Apostles to first preach the Gospel to the Jews, and after also to the Heathen or Gentiles (but never vise versa!). I found out in Scriptures who of the Apostles for the first time went to Rome .. and it wasn't Peter. In the Book of Acts it says in Chapter 28 the following: 16 "And when we came to Rome, the Centurion delivered the Prisoners to the Captain of the Guard: but Paul was allowed to live in a house, by himself, with a Roman Soldier that kept him. 17 And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the Chief of the there living Jews together: and when they came together, Paul said to them: "Men and Brethren, though I have committed nothing against our people, our customs, or against our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans 18 who, when they had examined me, would have let me go, because there was no cause of guild in me. 19 But when the Jews spoke against that verdict, I was constrained to appeal unto Caesar; not that I had made any accusations against my Nation. 20 For this Hope (the Gospel of Jesus Christ) therefore I have called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because for the Hope of Israel I am bound with these chains. 21 The Chief of the Jews said to Paul: "We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning you, neither any of the Brethren that came from there shewed or spoke any harm of you. 22 But we desire to hear of you what you think: for concerning this sect, we know that it is spoken against everywhere". The Roman Catholic Church claims that it was Peter who went to Rome first to preach the Gospel there first and that it was Peter who founded the Church there. Question: who lies? God,... or the Roman Catholic Church ? And what about the Letter in the Bible from Paul to the Congregation of Galatians where it says this in Chapter 2? From verse 7 we read the following: 7 "But on the contrary, when they saw that the Gospel of the Uncircumcision (Gentiles) was committed unto me, as the Gospel of the Circumcision (Jews) was unto Peter; 8 for He that gave Peter power effectively to the Apostleship of the circumcision (again: the Jews), the Same was Mighty in me toward the Gentiles. 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the Grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we (that are Paul and Barnabas) should go unto the Heathen, and they unto the Circumcision. Again dear Catholics: who lies? Gods Word, or the Roman Catholic Church? Bible, the book of Acts, Chapter 5, verse 29 : Then Peter and the other Apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey GOD - rather than man” !!
Since the Roman Catholic 'church' claims to be well-read on scriptures, then please point me in the direction of where in the Bible it says to pray to a woman, or to a rosary, or to dead “saints.” Please show me where it says to call any mortal sinful man (the pope) your father. Please show me where the Bible says anything about purgatory, or paying indulgences (buying yourself into heaven - is God corrupt ?). Please show me where Mary was sinless. Why is it that Catholics worship Mary still as a virgin when Lord Jesus had half brothers and half sisters? Please show me where it says to confess your sins to a fellow sinful man so that he may forgive them? Show me the name pope in the Bible? Where does the Bible say the pope is the “vicar of Christ” on earth? Show me where it says that a preacher must be unmarried? It was the pagan ROMAN Emperor Constantine who was in fact the first “Pope” and he didn't allow for the common people to have Bible Scriptures...to keep believers ignorant, as the Catholic Church still does. Later pope’s started the ‘inquisition’ because the book printing machine was invented and people like William Tyndale could spread the Bible to the common people: he was burned to dead for that, and so were hundreds others who did the same and because they denounced the VALSE doctrines of Rome, and they were called heretics and witches by the Roman Catholic “church”- they were tortured, burned to dead - and murdered !!! GET OUT OF THIS FALSE CHURCH !!! The Roman Catholic “church” is a continuation of the old Roman PEAGAN Empire: it never went away as it disguised itself as a Christian Church. Read Revelation, Chapter 17: verse 7 and 8…please read, dear brothers and sisters.
If you didn't read the Bible growing up, then you weren't raised in a robustly Catholic way. Catholic teaching is very clear that we are to read and study the Bible (Dei Verbum, Vatican II). It isn't surprising that when you found a community of committed Christians you were drawn to it.
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Thank you buddy, giving me ammo to help out at work
Here is the problem I have, you didn’t really give much justification for prayer to the saints. It seems like your primary justification is miracles associated supposedly with deceased saints. You also made a claim that demons can’t heal to justify these miracles as verifiable. I don’t see the strength in that argument, certainly God can heal but we know also that demons can perform miracles seemingly equal to God. I personally think a demon could heal someone if they want and I think this is why you will sometimes hear stories even among pagans of healing. Point being to attribute miracles to a dead saint that was prayed to is unverifiable and when these miracles happen how could you possibly test the origin. This is why it is better to just pray to God, then we know the source of these things when they happen. We don’t have to assume and ask who performs the miracle because we prayed to God and He answered.
It’s not praying to them it’s asking them to pray for you
@@Cris-xj8nm how could you ask them to pray for you without praying to them? When the act is done do people not close their eyes, bow their heads, and close their hands together?? That seems like praying to them. Otherwise why not just simply pray to God alone? We know the Saints pray for us in heaven so they are not unaware but pray to God cast your anxieties on Him. This is the encouragement of scripture, and scripture no where encourages us to pray to any but God.
@@kylesilva4063 the majority of my prayer is to the lord at the end I just slip in and ask my brothers in sisters in heaven to pray for me as well
@@Cris-xj8nmyou don't have to, if they can they will do it for all of us, also the fact is that asking them does count as praying
@@davecorns7630Yes it is. Rosary prayer.
When you start praying to so many associates then you miss & waste the time you could be with the "Real" one & only GOD Matthew 6:5-8 🙏🙏
@@worldview730 when praying according to the guidelines of the Catholic Tradition it is impossible to not pray to God. Invoking saints is more like asking them to join in with your prayers to God.
I couldn't (WOULDN'T) pray the rosary until I had a monstrous pain in the night and thought I was going to die. I had the audio version turned on and that was the first time I prayed the entire thing. After thirty minutes, I was completely healed and now I go around telling my Protestant friends it is real, that I cannot deny my experience.
You are now and have always been a
Deceiving catholic !
Galatians 6:7
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
You can ask your mom to pray for you, doesn’t mean you worship her.
Love the video. For me I pretty much pray for Blessed Mothers assistance to bring my petitions before God. Rarely do I ask other saints. To me she’s the most powerful and I’m a sinner so makes sense to go to her for intercession when I think I need it.
And yet there is not one verse in all 73 books that tells you to pray to anyone except God. God is the one who will answer your prayers and there is no reason not to go direct to God for your needs.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Job 5:1 references angelic intercession. And in James 14 sick Christians are told to seek the prayer of church elders rather than directly praying for their own healing.
All of this is done within the understanding that God can and does use created beings to accomplish his will.
@@harrygarris6921 Job 5:1“Call out if you please, but who will answer? To which of the holy ones will you turn?
Where do you find angelic intercession in this verse?
James 5:ESV
Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
James 5:16
New Catholic Bible
16 . Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective
Now the original poster
Brian Farley
said this
Love the video. For me I pretty much pray for Blessed Mothers assistance to bring my petitions before God. Rarely do I ask other saints.
Can you find any scriptural support for asking a dead mortal, Mary, spirit alive in the heavenly realm , to pray for you when all the verses about praying for one another are between living people?
Can you show anywhere that Mary the mortal mother of Jesus conveys our prayers to God?
Heb 4:15,16 points you to the correct person to go through and why you would.
John 14"6 points out that Mary or saints ,or angels , is not who you go through to get to God, so why would you not go directly to God with all your needs?
James 5:16 notice the results of the prayers of the righteous man? Did you notice it is placed in the context of two individuals praying for each other and they are alive so they can confess their sins one to another and still have the power in prayer of the righteous man! What makes you righteous ? Not you , not one verse in the entire bible says you have righteousness on your own, it all comes from Jesus.
@harrygarris6921 that's a problem, you're reading one verse without the context of the full chapter. How about the rest of Job chapter 5? How about chapter 5.8? That is a huge mistake, that is absolutely not from God to do what you are doing for your agenda. 😢 intentional or not, please read and take the whole context into account.
8 “But if I were you, I would appeal to God;
I would lay my cause before him.
9 He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed,
miracles that cannot be counted.
10 He provides rain for the earth;
he sends water on the countryside.
11 The lowly he sets on high,
and those who mourn are lifted to safety.
@@sid5734 praying to Saints for their intercession to God on our behalf is biblical. Temple Judaism did this as well. Jews to this day go to the Rachel’s Tomb. Furthermore we see the saints being aware of us in the NT with the Transfiguration and the Book of Revelation. And God is God of the living. Those who have died who are in heaven are alive with God and closer to Him than either you or myself
Thanks for the video. I have heard all these reasons before and i still can't comprehend why you would pray to anyone else but God.
By your logic I don't need to seek intercession from the living because they are not as near to God as the heavenly saints are.
We should seek intercession from all saints. Those currently living and those who are more fully united in The Body of Christ. Those who are in Christ are saints, if they are “in” Christ Our Lord, then how is it praying to someone other than Christ (the one meditator).
1 Corinthians 12:26 “If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.”
Intercessory prayer freaks Protestants out. I’ve given up trying to explain it. It is a ingrained prejudice against Catholics.
Why can’t you just pray to God directly? Why do you have to go through demonic, made up saints, the Bible is clear when it says Jesus is the only being who can intercede for us.
The Saints intercede for us like Saint Damien interceded for Audrey Toguchi healed of Cancer
Roman Catholics are not supposed to worship Mary, but some certainly do. They will say more of her, than Christ.
Wrong on all counts. We do not worship Mary.
@@georgepierson4920 Some, indeed do. Especially in South America.
They are Intercessors on our behalf in prayer, depending on the Saint and their heavenly gift.
As churches we intercess in prayer for the sick, the dying, those going through hard times. As Catholics We can ask for intercession in prayer from, Our Lady, The Saints and Angels.
Asking for help isn't a sin. Asking direction from our Brethern in Christ, the Saints and Our Lady and the Angels is just asking for inspiration, help, direction and Aid along with and Ultimately To Or Lord God Through Christ.
I'm not going to bother Our Lord when all I need is some direction as to what goes with pumpkin in a recipe for soup!
😊 I hope that answers some questions on our belief in our spiritual intessors on our behalf in heaven.
So you assume that prayer bothers God and that He can’t answer the small prayers?
If you bow down, kneel, and pray, say a name , you are calling to a being you are fixing to worship. So you are worshipping a being, be it Saint of whoever. We are to pray to Jesus and no other. It's in the Bible. SO it's either not in a Catholic Bible or you did not read the way Jesus told people how to pray and to whom to pray to.
None of what you just said is in the Bible.
@@BrianHoldsworth the Lord’s Prayer is a model of how prayer should be given to us by Jesus. It’s all directed to GOD. None of it is directed to any saint, Angel of the Virgin Mary.
Still completely anti biblical. Much repentance is required for it. 😢
Thanks , Brian..
Even Job seeks Saints for Prayer intersessions.
👉 Job 5:1
@@Jedi_Jess
How sure that your petitions will be answer? Job 42:7-9 , proverb 28:9
@@Jedi_Jess
John 14:14 yes, in 1 condition.. if you love my keep my commandments verse 15..
In John 15:7 it says "if" there is a condition and Again you did use 1king 9 :1-9 there are "if's...", if you don't obey this what happens 👉John 3:36
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that obey not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
Let's go back to Job 42:7-9, what is the whole point here, Why God was Angry against Job's friend?also why God indirectly let Job Pray for his friend instead of instructing Directly to Job's friends to pray for forgiveness?
Next... I guess you didn't read revelation 5:8, 8:3 about the praying of the Saints...
As well in Tobit 12:12-14, where an angel of God offer up his prayer ( these are 1 of the 7 books, Protestant removed it , in case you can't find)..
Deuteronomy 11:27
"A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:"
Deuteronomy 11:28
"And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known."
Again, Proverbs 28:9
"He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination."
Isaiah 59:1
"Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:"
Isaiah 59:2
"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear."
So, therefore, your self righteous claim that your Prayers will be answered? Where in fact , it is not a 100% sure, so one will need a righteous man to intercede for them..
We are told to confess to each other not religious priest .
So?
It clearly states in the Bible that we should NOT pray/ask anybody in heaven for anything. We go straight to Jesus, not saints nor anybody!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. But if it clearly states that, why didn't you include a reference to the verse that states that? It seems like that would have taken less effort than it would to tell me what the Bible supposedly says.
The Concrete Confessional blog, whose author was raised Roman Catholic, just dropped an article called "Why This Atheist Is Headed Back to Church." Very interesting reading no matter which side of the fence you're on.
Excellent Catholic apologetics. I was raised Catholic but became concerned that it could be hard to be saved adhering to its add ons and lack of focus on the only reason anyone is actually saved- faith in Jesus.
I think the apostles are still sleeping till the return of Jesus so its useless to pray to the apostles cause they couldnt hear,only pray to God.
There's nothing that men can't corrupt and turn into total nonsense.
It's obviously a heresy to pray towards dead people. There's nothing in Bible about "chain of command", about a silly telephone game that "eventually reaches God". Lots of empty words doesn't change that.
The saints in heaven are more alive than we are, because they are alive in Christ. God doesn't need the saints to hear us; He hears us either way. But the Bible tells us the saints are interceding from us from heaven, that intercession is good and pleasing to God, and that no part of the Body of Christ can say to another "I need you not." We're not cut off from the Body of Christ when we go to heaven.
It’s not complicated- They were people like you who surrendered to God. They are still alive and are living closely to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
That one always mystified me. It's almost as if Protestants never heard of eternal life.
5:00 this doesn’t make sense to me, I’m wrestling with how I feel about praying to saints and this doesn’t seem to change anything. I’ll be completely honest I’m a Protestant and am skeptical of a lot of things and probably have a tilt towards maintaining my current denomination. I’m not trying to demean the catholic faith I just can’t reconcile the idea of saints with a relationship to God.
That said, you agree that praying to the saints is not the same as praying to God. But in the same breath you say that the saints are part of Gods body and therefore it’s no different. But, it is, praying to God praying to the saints is different.
Also the Bible says to boldly approach the throne of God, which means we no longer need the chain of command that the saints provide. Also personally it seems disrespectful to God, because instead of going to him for his will and answer you’re going to someone else for his will and answer. Even if it’s the same answer it seems both disrespectful and also like you don’t want to go to him for your troubles.
Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
You're praying to dust. Dirt.
Thanks bro this is a really powerful argument
Really powerful waffle
I appreciate you taking the time to explain this.
But I still question where in the Bible it says to pray to saints and where it tells us that we can or should canonize the dead. Also, as far as I know, the word saints always references all who are part of the body of Christ, not only some, and not that they become a saint after death.
It is very important to me that if I receive and act in accordance with any doctrine that I can directly see where it is clearly stated or there are clear instances of the practice or belief system in the Bible.
I haven’t seen anywhere in the Bible where it says any person who was not a pagan or acting outside the will of God (Saul) praying to a saint who transitioned from this world to the next or where it is instructed for us to do so.
Also, in your point about Jesus talking to Moses and Elijah, He didn’t do that in His human form. He was first transfigured into His Spirit form before speaking with them. He is also God Himself who put on flesh and dwelt among us.
If He was demonstrating that human beings could speak with the saints who have gone on before us I don’t think He would have been transfigured into His Spirit form first.
I think that was a clear distinction that that was a God thing and/or a Spirit realm thing that we cannot yet participate in while still in the flesh.
And when the rich man in Hell spoke to Lazarus and Abraham, both Lazarus and the poor man had physically died and were in the afterlife.
It sounds to me like canonizing saints and praying to them when they are no longer living here on earth and have passed on to Heaven is something that could be “supported” by CERTAIN scriptures if you’re intentional about proving it, but isn’t clearly instructed or exemplified in scripture and is clearly refuted and rebuked by certain other scriptures.
If the Lord let the Saints in heaven. Still be connected to things on the Earth. What happens when they see a loved one rejecting the Lord?.. What happens when they see their loved ones struggling? What happens if their loved ones die without God, and go to hell? This will make them sad, upset, sorrowful, and hurt. But, according to the Bible. These feelings are not existed in heaven. So God will be unjust to let them experience these things. Meaning no body.. no flesh.. Equals. No connection to this world anymore.
(Oops. I forget. This is where purgatory was made up.)
Why pray to a saint or mary or anyone who has passed out of this life? Scripture is clear we have access to the Father through the Son. We can pray to both Father and Son. Praying to a saint is still praying to the dead. They have no capacity to hear you or act on what you're asking. But we know God hears, so why pray to the dead. And yes, their souls may be with God, but as far as we're concerned, they're dead. The difference between those alive and dead is mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The prayer of a righteous man is better than one of not