Why the Church Loves Mary
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2022
- Since the dawn of Christianity, those who worship Jesus have loved His mother dearly. Here's a brief introduction why! More links below:
First up, listen to this podcast. It's a couple hours long but a very useful look at the role of Jesus' mother in the grand scheme of things: www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts...
Opening 'Agni Parthene' orchestral cover used with permission from Manos Demetzos: • Αγνή Παρθένε (ορχηστρι...
Article about Mary in scripture: catalog.obitel-minsk.com/blog...
Quick video intro to 'the Role of the Virgin Mary in the Orthodox Church: • The Role of the Virgin...
Bojan from @BibleIllustrated gives a comedic take on the same subject: • The Most Holy Mother o...
Steve from 'Be the Bee' talking with energy on the same subject: • Be the Bee # 41 | God'...
@JonathanPageau on the symbolism of Mary as the Ark: • How Mary Relates to th...
Fr Jesse from @RootsofOrthodoxy discusses Mary: • How Orthodox Christian...
Follow on philosophical discussion on 'Where is the Divine Feminine' with Jonathan again: • Where is the Divine Fe...
Article on 'Do Orthodox worship Mary?' (spoiler: no): www.saintjohnchurch.org/ortho...
An article on the historical proof of Christianity's veneration of Mary: blogs.ancientfaith.com/glory2...
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The Theotokos was the first Christian. She was the first to believe her son was the Saviour. It makes total sense that she is the chief human being in our church.
Absolutely ❤
and according to St. Ephrem and St. Augustine both, completely sinless
Blessed Virjin Mary Mother Of The World.
Mary Help Of Christian Pray For us,Amen
I love this channel brother. I’m in the process of becoming orthodox, please pray for me and my wife and children
Lord save and heal Brent, his wife, and children.
Lord have mercy
I will pray for you. I'm a catholic and I love our orthodox brothers and sisters in a very special way. God bless you all.
Praying for you and your family brother! 🙏❤️
I am attending for the first time this week. There are a lot of new things to learn about and experience and understand.
Hail, Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
Amém!
Hail Mary, full of grace!
Punch the Devil in the face!
:)
Go go go!
Many Protestants sing about the blood of Jesus in dozens of songs. It helped us to realize his blood came from her. Her heart and his heart shared blood for months on end. If the hem of Christ’s garment can heal how much more healing through sharing his blood for nine months. Her womb contained the uncontainable God making it more spacious than the heavens. What an incredible and incomprehensible reality. No wonder she makes philosophers mute as fish.
That is an excellent connection! Thank you!
Wow, what a beautiful truth; Mary gifting her Son with her own blood and sharing it with Him as He grew in her Ark of the New Covenant.
Thank you for this Comment - and also to the channel creator for this video!
lol, you made me realize something funny.
People will devote entire books to studying the bloodline of Jesus, proving he was from the tribe of Judah. But the second the bloodline hits Mary, it’s like, “NOPE!”
I’m crying right now. As a “Protestant” dipping my toe into EO, this has been the best explanation for why Mary and you used scripture I can relate to. Thank you ❤❤❤
5:40 This question was the one question that led me out of Islam into New Age Spirituality and finally to Christianity.
Welcome. Even though it is a year after your comment. Welcome to the light and the life. God bless you.
“ BEHOLD YOUR MOTHER” truly brought me to tears 😭
This video was a beautifully done! Thank You! 🥹
O Most Holy Theotokos save! ☦️💕
Thank you. Coming from such a heavy "protestant" background, I need more time on this topic.
No worries! There are some links in the description to a lot more info. And thanks, William, for watching the channel! I've noticed a few of your comments come up. Glad you're liking it all! For a deeper dive into Early Church practice as it looks today, and any of the episode topics, I would really recommend visiting an English-language Orthodox Liturgy (service) on a Sunday and chatting with the priest afterwards about any subjects you want to know better. God bless!
@@Patristix Thank you. I'm a pastor in a non-denominational church, but the Orthodox church has really been on my heart for quite some time. This channel has been such a gift. Yes, next time I get some retreat time or a Sunday away I will be visiting an Orthodox church or monastery.
We'll have you in our prayers, pastor! God bless!
@@WilliamDusingive had the same problem, remember to take things slowly and that you dont need to learn to love her overnight. God bless
Chefs' kiss
Chills went through my body at the very last part.
Truly great Video ❤️
Thank you for breaking this down. Those last words are beautiful: "Behold, your mother." ❤️☦️
One of the very best videos on the Theotokos. Thank you. We love our Theotokos tremendously!!!
Is that in your avatar Saint Stephan the Great, the Romanian/Moldovian prince?
@@neyneynanamo2071 yes indeed it is.
@@Blueray93Romania I love him so much. May I ask how you know about him? Your name sounds western.
@N. Nanamo ask whatever you want. It's an old UA-cam account back from when I was younger. It's the westernised version of my romanian name. Saint Ștefan is one of my favourites, a saint and a military genius. Ask what you want :D.
@@Blueray93Romania Oh, so you are a romanian. Domnul sa te ajute, frate!
I like the use of Αγνή Παρθένε (O Pure Virgin) melody in the backing track, nice touch.
"God could have chosen any woman" but not any woman _would_ have chosen God.
(Goes for men too when speaking more generally. God does choose every one of us in a way, but not every one of us chooses God).
Amen ☦️ sheesh brother that one hit deep May The Grace Of Jesus Christ The Love Of Our Heavenly Father And The Fellowship Of The Holy Ghost Be With You And Your Family Forever 🙏🏼
Love the Celtic flavoured Agni Parthene @ the beginning 😆. 💖🙏➕
Only one woman was chosen to hold infinity from conception to birth. The priest or bishop at any given time hold infinity for a few minutes at best.
Wow that was utterly beautiful.
True Theotokos we magnify you.
That was so beautiful! Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, intercede and pray for us!
Thanks for this video! Im a protestant and i love hearing an honest heartfelt explanation. Iv been considering converting to the Orthodox Church for a while but this topic and a few others concern me. Not deeply, but enough to give me pause. Keep doing what your doing! I appreciate it so much sir. May God bless you and bless others through you!
Thank you for watching, and may God bless your journey!
Would definitely recommend taking all your concerns to your priest, and chatting them through openly. This, and attending the liturgy and services, are the most helpful things in learning about Orthodoxy and the Early Church! We can introduce what the Early Church taught, but to live it is what matters. All the best!
It will all make sense. It will all fall into place. It will ease your fears.. and give you a love and understanding you have never had before..☦☦
I feel the same and will be attending for the first time this week. I have researched it a lot and understand it but it is new to me.
Update?
I’m not Orthodox, but I find this video very moving concerning the specialness of Mary, the mother of the Lord … Thanks. I really moves me to see her portrayed as she is in Scripture, both New and Old Testaments. Very interesting, again… thanks.
Love the violin Agni Parthene intro.
It's nice isn't it! You can hear the whole thing here: ua-cam.com/video/G3Kk-MKOEAM/v-deo.html
Great channel, brother. I love the peaceful and easy-to-understand way you explain things. The topics you choose are intriguing. Your tea collection is also really interesting, and the way you describe the flavours. But also you are one of the few channels who have subtitles, especially so early in your channel's history, and they're not auto-generated either. This is a great service for people with hearing problems, or whose mother language isn't English, and many more people. So for all this I want to thank you, I have already recommended your channel to my sister, hope to see you growing soon.
Thank you so much for the kind words!
I'm very glad the subtitles are helpful too. God bless!
I loved this! Thankyou.
I grew up in Pentecostalisim and learned a scandal of honouring Mary unfortunately but I had a beautiful encounter with her in the cloud of witnesses in my meditations one day💙
And I do draw on that often even now.
I think the 2nd Eve is the Bride- the Church.
Even when I was a child brought up in protestantism, I never understood the outright disrespect and hate of Mary.
On a human level it didn't make sense to me. The whole idea seemed extremely wrong to me.
I couldn't picture a reality where Jesus would tolerate disrespect of his mother. Just as any good son of a loving mother wouldn't tolerate it.
So when I converted, having The Theotokos put in her own rights just felt warming and right.
We fly to your patronage, O holy Mother of God; despise not our petitions in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O glorious and blessed Virgin.
☦️
I've been binge watching this channel....but this is my favourite ...Mary being the topic discussed yet not truly understood by most Christians....I'd like to follow her as an example of living as a Christian
The end was epic, "behold your Mother" ❤❤❤
Previously as a Protestant I thought the “Mary stuff” was weird. Until I realized her blood literally nourished our God. And he chose her from the beginning of time. All the death in the old testament was to preserve her for His birth. So I started praying the rosary and it has brought me so close to God.
“Behold, your Mother!” John 19:26-27 ♥
O Virgin Theotokos, rejoice; O Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, for thou hast borne the Saviour of our souls. ☦️🙏🕯️🕊️
Every time I hear those last words it hits me so hard and so profoundly, thank you from the bottom of my heart
Wow, great video and incredible ending, had me at a loss for words and teary eyed. From a recent Catholic convert, I love your videos and your channel. Thank you for the work you are doing and God bless!
That ending was sublime!
I was reading about this yesterday in The Orthodox Church, love to see it.
God bless you
The extremely important and misunderstood reality of the Theotokos.
God bless you.
Can't get over how awesome this channel is. How is this not the best format for online catechism?
I can tell you made this video with so much love. The Love for the Theotokos shines through so clearly. Well made, my brother!
This was beautiful! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! God bless you
Богоро́дице Де́во, ра́дуйся,
Благода́тная Мари́е, Госпо́дь с Тобо́ю,
благослове́нна Ты́ в жена́х,
и благослове́н пло́д чре́ва Твоего́,
я́ко Спа́са родила́ еси́ ду́ш на́ших.
I'm Roman Catholic, but just wanted to drop this passage here out of Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) from the Latin Bible. We believe Mary to be the female representative of "Wisdom" in the Old Testament....(Verses 23-31 are the "Salve Sancta Parens")....
"I was exalted like a cedar in Libanus, and as a cypress tree on mount Sion. I was exalted like a palm tree in Cades, and as a rose plant in Jericho: As a fair olive tree in the plains, and as a plane tree by the water in the streets, was I exalted. I gave a sweet smell like cinnamon. and aromatical balm: I yielded a sweet odour like the best myrrh:
And I perfumed my dwelling as storax, and galbanum, and onyx, and aloes, and as the frankincense not cut, and my odour is as the purest balm. I have stretched out my branches as the turpentine tree, and my branches are of honour and grace.
As the vine I have brought forth a pleasant odour: and my flowers are the fruit of honour and riches. I am the mother of fair love, and of fear, and of knowledge, and of holy hope. In me is all grace of the way and of the truth, in me is all hope of life and of virtue. Come over to me, all ye that desire me, and be filled with my fruits. For my spirit is sweet above honey, and my inheritance above honey and the honeycomb. My memory is unto everlasting generations. They that eat me, shall yet hunger: and they that drink me, shall yet thirst. He that hearkeneth to me, shall not be confounded: and they that work by me, shall not sin. They that explain me shall have life everlasting.
All these things are the book of life, and the covenant of the most High, and the knowledge of truth. Moses commanded a law in the precepts of justices, and an inheritance to the house of Jacob, and the promises to Israel. He appointed to David his servant to raise up of him a MOST MIGHTY KING, and sitting on the throne of glory for ever." ~ Ecclesiasticus 24:17-34
What a wonderful series. Thanks for putting these videos all together
A pleasure! Thank you for watching
Another lovely episode. I don't know how but you make me cry every time. May the mother of God hear our prayers and may she beg for our forgiveness in her full sainthood.
What an amazing and touching video, beautiful.
"And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever."
- Luke 1:26-55
Not only did God choose Her- it was His WILL that created Her for this specific purpose and from His Son, would receive all of His humanity.
😇 HAIL MARY , FULL OF GRACE !!!! 💯💖💖👋👋👍👍!!!! THANK YOU . FROM, U.K. (2024).
As a Catholic, but still brother in Christ, I thought the video was excellent.
Great breakdown and explanation! Thank you!✝️🕊️🙏❤️
the scenario is top notch, man. Can you bring more videos analyzing icons?
Aiming to, yes!
Beautiful and helpful video. Thank you.
Very helpful, thank you!!
Beautifully said.
beautiful!
Thank you for sharing.😺✨
So beautiful! ❤🙏
That was absolutely beautiful.
Wow… you said this so absolutely beautifully. ❤❤❤
Beautiful
Beautiful🙏♥️
This is excellent! Thank u for this
beautiful
That ending legitly brought me to tears. 😭 So incredibly beautiful.
Beautiful video, thank you so much. Pleasant to watch, informative and perfect length.
This video is amazing! 🇧🇷 here!
Thank you Stephan, This was beautiful. Also, I loved the floral graphics. Very nicely done 👍 You guys make me smile 🙂
Love your channel brother
Appreciate that! Thank you!
All these videos make me cry😭😭
Gosh , thank you from England, thank you so much for explaining to us . Having only found you this morning I am in awe of what I am hearing as a cradle Baptist.
Thank you so much for making this. As someone looking to convert this is a topic that I have struggled with and this is by far the best explanation I have heard. I understand the concept but it is new and a highly debated subject. I have researched it and this video makes it more comfortable for me.
Very very nice my friend ☦️☦️
Very eloquent, hard to argue with.
I newly discovered your channel brother and I love it I thank you for all the explanations and I will watch all your videos I am a Greek Orthodox Fran Lebanon a small country in the Middle East
God bless!
What can we say without thanking her son to gave us his mother❤.am from Ethiopia the protestant think like we are worshipping her. This is awful they don't even know what they're missing
I reallu love your videos can you tell me the background music from 2:11
Ive a story about Mary . We were goinv through the process of adopting a child from Russia. Everything went wrong , so badly i decided it was not Gods will . I had 2 kids and was about to give up. Two things happened the push to adopt the child did not go away. The second was I prayed the rosary . I didnt really like the rosary and found it boring and repetitive. As i was walking the road praying the rosary , grumbling that it was too repetitive. I noticed a robin singing the same few notes over and over again . God seemed to say look how this little bird sings the same tune yet gives glory to me. The day we picked up our toddler , the doctor from the orphanage said this is a special day in Russia it is the feast day of the Protection of the Mother of God.
Amen Amen Amen
I’m an Evangelical who wants to become Orthodox. But my wife thinks I’m nuts because she’s stuck in fundamentalist Baptist church and thinks anything that resembles Catholicism is wrong. Anyway, I brought my family to a older woman’s house from the Orthodox Church I had been visiting and she (over dinner) told me and my wife how she prayed to Mary and people were healed and how she saw the Virgin Mary here or there and in a department store. I understand Intercessory prayer and to saints in heaven, but can anyone explain why Mary is showing up at the department store? Was this old lady just delusional? My wife was so affected by this woman’s stories she didn’t sleep all night and thought it or she was possessed and refuses to join me or even think about Orthodoxy.
The best and really the only thing I can say is: talk to your priest about this and any/all such questions. Things are different on a case by case basis and Orthodoxy is bigger than any one person. Internet answers/opinions will only add confusion because we don’t know the situation. Keep praying, keep going. Look to the teaching of the Church, not just the anecdotes of individuals within it. Your wife has absolutely nothing to fear from Orthodoxy, because Christ is truth, and God has not given us a spirit of fear. God bless! Please do take this up with your priest!
What I know is that it's relatively common experience of Orthodox Christians (though not for everyone) that Virgin Mary and/or other saints might visit us in the divine liturgy and other occasions. Saint Paisios the Athonite had similar encounterings with Holy Theotokos, and many others before him. I don't know if those visions of that old lady were real or just prelest, just like I don't know why Mary would show up at the department store. But if Moses and Elijah were able to appear with Jesus at the mount Tabor, I don't see how that couldn't be the case also with Virgin Mary and other saints, especially when there is no death or distances in Christ.
What is the song in the intro? I know I’ve heard it in Greek but I loved the instrumental!
It's a rendition of Agni Parthene, a hymn to the Theotokos by Saint Nectarios of Aegina. It's a BEAUTIFUL song!
I realized the other day that many Protestant denominations, if they were transported back in time, they would take one look at the Israelites and accuse them of idol worship for the reverence they displayed towards the Ark of the Covenant.
You’re an orthodox mystic, bro! 😭☺️
Oh Theotokos, please pray for me.
Amen 🙏 ❤
was having such a sentimental moment listening to this until 7:19 “maybe she is exactly like your mother, but look at the difference in the sons” and i can still feel that burn 800 years later 😩😂
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Santa Madre di Dio proteggimi☦️☦️☦️
-This Lady and Virgin Queen will sit to the right of the throne of her Son on the day of the Second Coming. Ps 45:9 -having been overshadowed by the power of the Almighty and remained virgin even after giving birth. Ezekiel 44:13 -for he has been mindful of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me- holy is his name. Luke 1:48-49 -The Mother of the Lord is that Virgin who gave birth to Emmanuel God. Isaiah 7:14 -the King's daughter is all glorious within, her clothing is of wrought gold. Ps 45:13 -a virgin who shall through her Son crush the head of the snake. Gen 3:15 -The Holy Spirit reveals in the Holy Bible that she will be commemorated from generation to generation and all the nations will hymn her incessantly through the ages (Ps 45:17) By her inner glory it shows that she is a temple of the Holy Spirit, immaculate, while you blaspheme the Mother of the Lord and do not honor her.......
Is that Anduril in that background?
It is!
@@Patristix Nice. I found your channel on by a Reddit commit you made btw. Very very good channel. Harshly underrated. I’ll for sure be sharing with everyone I know. I myself am a Orthodox inquirer, I have heavily interested in the faith for months now. Your videos are doing wonders for my learning process. Thank you! 🙏🏻
Glad to hear it! God bless your journey!
As a student of archaeology cultural anthropology, I didn't ever see the role of Holy Theotokos to be problematic even when I was non-Orthodox (because I was able to see it in its cultural context). But one realization that was revolutionary to me was to understand that Mary has very similar role in the kingdom of Heaven than queen Esther had in the kingdom of Persia... just like Esther prayed her husband for her people (Jews), also Mary prays for the salvation of Christians and all people without loosing heart. And as told in this video, Mary is much more than Esther - she is the Mother of the King.
Beautifully put, thank you!
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May I ask - we are called into the likeness of Christ (excuse my phrasing, please understand what I mean), both male and female. Why aren’t we or our sisters encouraged to become like Mary?
We are! Our lady, and the saints, are examples of people who are Christlike. We are called to the likeness of Christ, and given examples of people who lived that way. Mary is the best example of someone that 'heard the word of God and kept it'. Her simple and deep faith is a perfect example of a human being completely trusting in Christ. We are also encouraged to have the faith of Paul, the courage of Peter, and to aim at the good Christlike qualities shown by the friends of Jesus in the Bible, through history, and in our lives today.
Did you mean to say "She said Yes to God"?
I came to watch this video at my wife's recommendation.
She is orthodox.
Although I was raised orthodox, I am not orthodox now. For many reasons.
I admit that the video was beatifully done, however, it grossly misinterprets the verses provided within.
Psalm 45 is about the marriage of the Lamb. The bride of Lord Jesus, The Christ, is the queen from Psalms 45.
The bride is the church.
Revelation 19:7-9 ESV - Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”- for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”
I agree that Mary is a special woman.
While on earth, she was a pure woman.
She loved God with all of her heart.
Because of her pure heart, God picked her to be the vessel through which He incarnated. Because of that she is called blessed.
She deserves respect, but not worship.
The bible never calls Mary the mother of God.
She couldn't be, since He was before her.
The bible says she was the mother of Jesus.
That means she was the mother of his flesh, not of His spirit.
Lord Jesus was God in spirit, and human in flesh.
I would never go out of my way to talk bad about her, as I have heard others, but I would also not worship her.
Worship belongs to God only.
Anything or anyone else is called idolatry.
I would certainly not pray to her or any saint as that is necromancy.
Besides, there is only one mediator between God and us.
That mediator is Lord Jesus Christ.
Hello and thanks for the comment. Sorry for any difficulties you have with Orthodoxy, or for the misrepresentations of our faith you may have experienced. I say misrepresentations as we largely agree with the core of what you are saying.
Your interpretations of Psalm 45 and of Revelation 19 are correct. The Early Church didn’t tend to read one single meaning into a text but believed the scriptures to be layered with truths and connections. So while we are in agreement with your interpretations completely, Orthodoxy would not restrict the verses interpretation to only that interpretation.
Please watch our video on “Theotokos - Mother of God” for a look at the title and why we have to use it. It is a Christological title not a Marian devotional title. It is in reference to the divinity of Christ and the humanity of Christ in hypostatic union. Video link: ua-cam.com/video/RLqwUozAwXk/v-deo.html
Please watch our video on “Talking to Saints”. You are completely correct, worship belongs to God alone and worshipping anyone else would be idolatry. Video link: ua-cam.com/video/sCqsLV_ayIo/v-deo.html
You are right, there is only one Mediator between God and us.
Further links for research can be found in the descriptions of videos across this channel. God bless!
In the gospel of luke - "who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"
Mater dei - Mother of my Lord, Mother of God, right there.
Orthodox do not worship Mary, and the function of Mediator is not the same as someone who prays as an intercessor. Logically, it would follow that if you've ever prayed for someone, you're getting in the way of Jesus as mediator, which falls down as an argument, as the scriptures exhort mutual prayer for one another.
Also worship, ultimately, is tied to sacrifice - and we only offer the sacrifice of melchizedek to God, not to the theotokos or any other saint.
@@TheMhouk2
I get the loophole. Because you think the saints are not dead, but rather are alive in heaven, you can now ask them to pray for you. However, when Lord Jesus was on earth, He didn't ask Moses, or Elisha, or Elijah, or Enoch, or Jeremiah, or any of the saints that had gone to be with God prior to the birth of our saviour, on earth.
Instead, He always went to the Father.
When He performed miracles, He prayed to His Father. He didn't ask all the dead people to go to the Father to ask Him to perform the miracles, and then also prayed to The Father. No, He did not.
He did tell the apostles that were alive then to pray, but never asked the dead saints.
We also don't see the apostles doing that. The apostles did the same thing as Lord Jesus. They asked different saints from different churches that were alive at the time, to pray for them, but they never asked the saints that passed away from this earth.
If you think it is ok to ask dead people to intercede for you, go ahead. I think that's playing with fire, because you're playing with interpretations. I go by the examples set by Lord Jesus.
It also shows unbelief that just asking Lord Jesus is enough.
@@Xhopp3r yes, although it is true that Jesus didn't pray to any saints and didn't firsthand learned His followers to pray to the saint's you are missing some crucial "details". You forgot that at His Transfiguration Moses and Elijah appeared to Him and Peter, John and James. Secondly, He spoke about the bossom of Abraham in His story about Lazarus and the rich man. And thirdly, what was the whole point of His incarnation? To die for our sins, surely. But also to give those who already were in the grave (Hades) life. And He did, like we can read from the letters of Peter and Paul. The reason that the Apostles and the Jews didn't pray to the "dead" was because the resurrection of our Lord didn't take place yet. But after He accomplished His mission, the "rules" changed
As a Protestant I think that we should respect Mary as the human mother of our Lord chosen by God and that she should be called “blessed” as scripture states.. however, it’s very difficult to buy into the full Catholic and Orthodox view of Mary in light of verses such as Matthew 12:46-50. The Lord had a great opportunity to establish you guys’ doctrine here and He didn’t. And you say that you don’t “worship” her but that you do love, revere, pray to and spend time with her.. so what is your definition of worship?
Your comment is well made, thank you.
In regards to the verses in Matthew, the Orthodox DO in fact see that as an opportunity to establish our doctrine. “Whoever does the will of God…”, and what is the consistent thing we hear about Mary if not that she always does the will of God. A similarly brought up section is Luke 11:27-28 (blessed is the womb that bore You) and yet those exact verses are listed in our lectionary to be read out on every single Marian festival in the same understanding as before. So when it comes to Bible verses, it’s clearly a matter of a different understanding between Orthodox and Protestants and the question to follow is which is accurate.
Your second question of defining worship is EXCELLENT and does not get asked enough! The Protestant question is “why do Orthodox worship Mary?”, the Eastern Orthodox question is “why do the Protestants only venerate God?”. The answer to something as deep as this, and to define the ancient Orthodox understanding of worship is more than we can satisfactorily give on this channel. I’d definitely recommend visiting an Orthodox Church and discussing this through with a priest because it’s a paradigm shift.
Meanwhile we are working on editing a longer video about the Theotokos, presented by a priest friend of ours. When it is up online, I’ll drop the link here too.
May God bless you in your journey!
Thank you for the response. I love studying the history and doctrines of our faith. Recently I have been revisiting the views of Catholics and Orthodox to better understand where we can all be more unified, goodness knows we need it. Anyways, really enjoy the channel content and learning about Orthodox views. Thanks again
@WBLumpkin87 The Catholic and Orthodox Churches are the most ancient churches and churches that have teaching that resemble the Early Christians and Apostles the most, everything we believe is based off Scripture and Ancient Christian tradition, if you have a question about a doctrine, pls don't be quick to dismis or judge, but rather ask a question in good faith and study it. Many Protestants have left Protestantinism for the Apostolic Churches because of it. May God guide you and God Bless 🙏
It’s very interesting, but no where did Jesus Christ say to ever pray to anyone else or through them. In fact Jesus says to pray to your Father in Matthew as you know, and then we are told the Holy Spirit is our intercessor. I don’t feel that the books that weren’t put in the canon are illegitimate, however when it comes to a commandment and new things that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is saying that I go by. I don’t really have a judgment for what Catholics do praying to all these Saints and I feel like we should love everybody so I don’t know but it really still confuses me because I don’t see Jesus giving a commandment so I will not ever do that seems wrong and it seems like a legalistic thing and there’s lots of traditions and ceremonies much just like the Pharisees you know when Jesus comes and he tells us that we couldn’t be saved by the law reminds me of the same thing or seems anonymous I don’t know. as beautiful as it truly is that mother Mary was technically just like the tabernacle that housed got an Old Testament. And I’m sure that we could agree how grateful we are to the saints of the past men and women women. But for me, there’s something that feels wrong and in my spirit when I see the images and reminds me of the Deuteronomy from above or below the sea or on earth and that is all What? mother Mary Anne and saints and stuff are hanging on walls, all of these things from what I see are just continued tradition, but in my spirit, it seems like blasphemy
I'd recommend watching our other video on 'talking to the saints' here: ua-cam.com/video/sCqsLV_ayIo/v-deo.html
And there's other helpful videos in the description if you want to know more.
Also, this channel is run by Eastern Orthodox Christians.
God bless!
@@Patristix I'm so terrified to offend our Father. but i am interested in researching more into this, there is that element of the female presence in Christianity, I do like what you said to that effect. I grew up in atheistic / occult ( alistor crowley, Rosicrucian order AMORC specifically, akin to free mason) My point is, I stray away from anything that resembles occult, metaphysics, and coming into the Christian world in 2021, sorting that out can tricky. Last year, i was pondering about the trinity, and it made think...is there a female characteristic of GOD ? I thought about the Holy Spirit being called the nurturer..the role mostly woman play-also contributing to the belief of the catholic church mixed in there if that makes sense. I don't believe God goes in a box, even man seems to put Him in one. One thing I've personally found, is that man teaching man about God, hasnt worked out that well, and He can teach man about Himself just fine. I've personally been damaged by others, some with good intentions, but non the less....I have recently found A W Towzer teachings; fantastic !! The simplicity he speaks of, just spoke to my spirit. In any case, sorry so long. thank you for responding. I hope I wasn't to terse.
We definitely want to avoid the occult, and we never want to offend God! I'd recommend visiting an Eastern Orthodox Church and chatting with a priest about your questions and thoughts. All the best!
Is Mary the mother of God a sinner?
No. She was born with the same fallen nature that we all share, and therefore suffered a human death; but she lived her life without sin, in perfect obedience to God.
Love the Celtic flavoured Agni Parthene @ the beginning 😆. 💖🙏➕