A friend and I, both Protestant, were discussing how we both see an emptiness in modern contemporary worship, but we couldn’t put a finger on why. Then this video popped up on my feed the next day. Thank you, Trent
The emptiness is in the rectory, where there are comparatively few priests who aren't senior citizens in the US. When I was a young man there were three full time priests in the rectory of my parish. They used to call me to come babysit the rectory if they all had to go out at the same time, because my house was so close. Now the rectory building has been torn down and Mass is said by an immigrant priest who arrives from another town.
Before running to Papism and rejecting all of your theological beliefs, stop attending a fake Protestant church and go to an actual one … Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian, etc.
That is how it feels when the Spirit of God has departed. You should examine yourselves to discover what went wrong. Otherwise you will find yourself with the same emptiness even when you move to other denominations.
To me this means that church does not walk by the spirit and invite the spirit in worship, yeah it’s just praise on the songs but if there’s nothing in the spirit it’s not worship. You can go to some and see it’s real worship and some are not due to their lack of spirit in the church. Thats really all it is. And yes that can be due to denying the presence in the Eucharist. I think the issue for some Protestants is thinking it’s cannibalism but all it is, is just the real presence of Jesus in it. If the majority of Protestants can agree on this. Catholics and orthodox will see them as equal.
As a former lifelong Protestant, it was questions like these “ why do Catholics believe what they believe“ and “ what does it mean to worship?” . It was Catholic answers (Trent and Jimny) that finally gave me the clarity. I came home to the Holy Catholic Church Easter 2024!! Glory be to God!
Hate to break the news to you but the "Holy Catholic Church" is Protestant. Are you saying you came home to the Protestant church or did you convert to "Roman Pope worship"?
I'm a protestant and despise the "Jesus is my boyfriend" music played in a lot of churches. It's one thing to have lively music, but it also needs to be thelogically sound.
@jahbee6317 Oh man, that descriptor is both hilarious and accurate. My mother is a high-church Lutheran and the vast majority of music that gets played at her church is classic Lutheran hymns. Honestly, I think high-church Protestantism is closer to Catholicism than it is to low-church Protestantism.
I was raised with pagan witches and broke free over a year ago. I walked into the Roman Catholic Church which was my dad’s church his entire life, I just never went and chose a different path with my other family members. He asked me to go so I went and had no intent of converting. The Catholic Church was so beautiful but that didn’t convert me. They did Eucharist and I felt god there. Idk how I knew it was him but I felt it. It was terrifying and beautiful at the same time. I was afraid I was gonna die and also not scared at all. I broke down in tears and after church the priest came to me and said he felt like he needed to talk to me. We sat for a total of 6 hours and talked about mother Mary god the father Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I never stopped going back to talk to him. I went to church and ofc didn’t get communion cause I need to be baptized again I think cause my dad did it when I was a baby but I made covenant with demons as a child and teenager so idk how that works. Also I’m not catholic so I knew not to participate but I always came for months and sat with the priest and talked for hours. I fell in love with the catholic faith and about 2 months ago decided I am ready to full join the church. I just moved to Springfield IL and need to go to the church here and see what I can do to start RCIA etc. I’m really going to miss that parish St. John bosco catholic parish in Hammond IN, the priest there really changed my heart. I hope I can find another church out here that will accept me and my background. ❤
Thanks for your testimony. I have been told by a priest recently that the sacraments can only be imparted once. If you have already been baptized once you are and will always be a child of Christ, any mistakes you may make will be forgiven through confession and true repentance.
Put your Faith in Jesus Christ the son of God, read the Holy Bible, and you will find salvation. Dont fall for the lies of catholics, they prey to dead people and worship images and traditions. Catholics make you “feel good” but they teach false ways to honor God.
As someone who grew up in a traditional IFB church, then visited mostly traditional Lutheran, Anglican, and Presbyterian churches in college, I'm still drawn to Catholicism over the worship problem, among other exegetical and theological concerns. Certainly some are as you describe, but not all
We have to stop pretending like catholics are perfect or that people not on youtube are converting at the rates youtube videos would indicate. I live in a very catholic dominant part of the US and can't even remember the last time a catholic could articulate the gospel, I love my catholic brothers and sisters but the yt catholic ortho hate on protestant party is a joke to anyone who actually encounters and does life with them
@jaypritchard7122 man I live in a very catholic dominant part of the US and can't even remember the last a catholic could really articulate or defend the faith, not to mention cared whether someone was going to die outside of Christ. I love my Catholic brothers and sisters, but as someone who interacts, works, and does life with them we have to stop pretending like any of the catholics rocks protestants suck applies anywhere except youtube, none of this imagined mass conversion is happening in the real world
Hello Trent! I converted to Catholicism from the Baptist church just last year. I have to thank you for your content because it has been a huge aid in developing my understanding of Catholic teaching and doctrine. I can say that attending Mass was the singular thing that convinced me to convert after having considered converting (but holding back due to apprehension over what that conversion would require) for many years. Baptist services always felt so empty to me. I thought that that was the only way you could do "church." I never knew what I was missing until I attended Mass. I just knew there was something I was missing. I get some flack from my family over my conversion, but my wish now is that they would join me. They don't know what they're missing either. I was once desperately trying to drink from a well that was drying quicker than I could satisfy my thirst, and I am now drinking from a well that is over flowing.
Former Catholic here for 60 plus years. I'm in my mid-seventies now. I left the RCC after reading the Bible. No one prompted me to do this. It was simply an irresistible pull. So many things just didn't add up for me after years of study. I started to attend a Presbyterian church. Though I attended a Catholic grade school in the 50's and high school, I was shocked at how much I had not learned. During my Catholic education, we never even cracked a Bible. Never! I am a little taken aback about all the negative comments regarding "Protestant" worship services. I look forward to attending church more than I ever had in the past. I attend every Sunday. Our service is comprised of many, many periods of prayer, silent meditation, a sermon, communion, and singing. In total, the service lasts about 1.5 hours. I recall tne nuns telling us in class that singing was two ways to worship God, in word, and in music. While attending Mass, I could not help but notice how many people did not sing. I also wondered if folks receiving communion really understood this sacrament by their blank expressions or wandering eyes returning to their pews. Regarding sermons, they are not "Ted talks." I see them as a catalyst for worship. Our pastor presents very challenging talks that I take with me as a guide for my daily life. I pray now more than I ever did before. I read the Bible almost daily and watch quite a few various Christian UA-cam channels. Faith in God is my centerpiece of life. Our church also has about six or more Bible study programs that have greatly benefitted me. Our church has numerous outreach programs where we support community efforts to improve folks' lives and living conditions. We also support two international programs, not only with financial assistance but actually flying to those locations to help with community development programs. All denominations have issues that can be improved upon. No one is perfect. What I have discovered is that there isn't a church on earth that can save you. Salvation is only obtained by believing in Jesus Christ and trusting in Him. (John 3:16) This is the central message of Scripture. It has never changed. If Catholicism does this for you, that is wonderful. Keep Christ first in your life above all.
La Iglesia es columna y fundamento de la Verdad, dicen las Escrituras. "COmo el Padre me envió así los envío Yo también", y sopló sobre ellos para darles poder para perdonar o retener pecados(Juan20,21-23). "No ruego sólo por éstos sino también por aquellos que creerán en mí por su palabra" (Juan17,20-23), dice el Señor hace dos mil años a su única Iglesia. "YO ESTARÉ CON USTEDES TODOS LOS DÍAS HASTA EL FIN DEL MUNDO", dice Jesucristo a su Iglesia hace dos mil años. "EL QUE A USTEDES OYE A MÍ ME OYE, Y EL QUE A USTEDES RECHAZA A MÍ ME RECHAZA, Y AL QUE ME ENVIÓ", dice el Señor.
@@timmcvicker5775 This was well said Tim. I love Trent and love learning from him. But I always find his followers/commenters always looking down on Protestants. I don’t think Jesus will look at non-Catholic Christians in Heaven and shake his head in disappointment because we didn’t follow his “real” Church and do what the Catholic Church said to do to the tee. I can’t imagine a former Muslim in Lebanon or former Buddhist in China would have the opportunity to attend a Catholic mass and do all sacraments necessary to be a part of the “true” Church. JESUS CHRIST IS KING! 🙏 JESUS CHRIST ABOVE ALL ELSE!!
Praise the Lord for you. The truth is that you're never gonna find a perfect church. Leaders are as human as anyone else is. They are tempted, they fall short. That's why your contribution to the church is paramount. You're looking for a Church that is faithful to scripture and teaches you how to read it in such a way that you are in position to rebuke even the leadership when they are going wrong. A church that have leaders that they have labelled 'inflatable' is a very dangerous church and I'd be very careful before I join such a church. A church with a leadership that takes the servant leadership model of Christ, accepts rebuke and corrections as the apostles did several times. That's the church you're looking for.
@ 1 Corinthians 1:10-13 (RSV-C) _“I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brethren. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?”_ Yeah, what about it?
You converted to Rome over worship knowing there are other options such as old Catholic, orthodox, evangelical Catholic (Lutherans), Anglican. How did you square aligning the papal infallibility and Mary dogmas with Scripture and church history/tradition?
This video pretty much encapsulates why I was a Protestant to a converting Catholic. I cannot wait to receive the Eucharist for the first time this upcoming April!!!
Orthodox viewer here. Well said, Trent! In the Divine Liturgy, the priest holds the Eucharist chalice aloft and chants, "Thine own of Thine own we offer unto Thee on behalf of all, and for all."
Thanks for informing the readers who have not experienced the Byzantine Divine Liturgy. Trent and his family attended / attends a Uniate church in the Byzantine Rite.
Similarly, in the Mass, at the end of the Roman Canon, the priest elevates the Eucharist and chants/sings: “Through Him, and with Him, and in Him, O God, Almighty Father, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honour is Yours, for ever and ever.” (Contextually, the “Him” in that line is referring to God the Son, Jesus Christ)
I went to Latin Mass for the first time yesterday. As someone with an evangelical background, this question has bothered me quite greatly. And I've been thinking about nonstop since yesterday. This video was very timely for me. Thank you.
I'm a catholic and been to modern mass and latin mass and I can really say that the Latin Mass is very different and is much more solemn than the modern mass.
I hope you had an enjoyable experience! I’m sure it’s a bit of a culture shock coming from evangelical style worship 😅 But it’s great to see you exploring our Catholic tradition. God bless you!
@@hannah_rr If you have a serious intention, NO Mass can be just as spiritual as LM. It's also instructive to recall that Latin was at one time the vulgar idiom and it was Greek that held sway in the Mass.
@@rhwinner The problem is that you have to go out of your way in the NO in a way that you simply don’t in the TLM. I have been to good and edifying NO Masses, but I’ve never been to a distracting or irreverent TLM!
As a former protestant, Tradition and Eucharist is what brought me to the Catholic Church. I got tired of modern worship. I needed something more, I needed the Eucharist. Nothing wrong with modern worship music, or even dancing before the Lord, but I do that on my own, in my home and car.
Great that you found a place that's more historic and sacramental. But you didn't need to leave protestantism to do so. Lutheranism is exactly that while also having the positives of protestantism.
@@matthiashellwig2536 Without the divine priesthood instituted by Jesus Christ in his one true church with 2,000 years of unbroken apostolic succession and their consecration of the host at the holy mass, yours is just a cracker and grape juice no matter how convicted you are. Most definitely not the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ.
As a former lifelong Protestant, I remember singing during an overly emotional "worship night" called "Singspiration" at my evangelical college and thinking to myself, "Is this really....it? This is really the peak of worship on Earth? This can't be." 9 years later, I was received into the Catholic Church.
Can you please humor me? Did the "smells and bells" some evangelicals accuse us of have anything to do with the appeal Catholic worship had to you? I live in a Catholic country where evangelicals seldom interact with us. So, seeing this accusation of "it's just smells and bells" made me chuckle a bit when I first came across it
@@littleway24601 But it will be a ‘peak of worship’ for some, who have different cultural preferences, or background, even if it is not for you or for me. Different culture, but worshipping the same Trinitarian God.
The peak of worship on earth isn’t what we do in church, but what we do outside it, as well. It’s loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind, and loving others as yourself. Loving your enemy and praying for those who persecute you. Love is a verb, not a feeling. Not all Christians worldwide have the blessing of being able to attend a formal church service, but they can still offer this highest form of sacrificial worship.
@@aibanlamlyngdoh297its the Eucharist and nuns and priests with apostolic succession. I converted to Catholicism a year ago. I left the Protestant church after being raised Protestant.
I attended an Antiochian Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy sometime in 1995 after leaving a nondenominational church…. I was struck/awed and felt like I found my home… after a long period of spiritual homelessness. Glory to God for His unspeakable gift. I now see many young people (majority men) becoming catechumen at our church. The thirst is real.
I became an Orthodox Christian at age 60 after a lifetime in an independant evangelical church, 30 yrs of that having been married to a minister until he divorced me
I went from Presbyterian to Catholic to Eastern Orthodox and I have zero regrets. I am blessed with a great community, an awesome priest, and close proximity to many monasteries. Glory to God in the highest!
You are gullible if this is all it took. Look up Vatican II. The Catholic Church pronounces 100 anathemas against Protestants, yet accepts Muslims as “brothers” of one faith. Current pope also believes all religions lead to heaven and even brought pagan South American idols into a Church
I was raised protestant and I often heard critiques of Catholicism. I support critical thinking and therefore appreciate hearing critiques of protestantism.
The issue should be the truth. This is not a game of hide and seek, it's about the do or die reality of truth and falsity. Which do you embrace? Your choice decides your fate at judgement day, so choose now .
As a life long Protestant this was a great listen. I am curious as to the amount of references to extra biblical text to buttress the arguments contained in the video. Protestants rely primarily on scripture, believers with integrity do not fashion theology on ever evolving interpretations by historical figures, yet in Catholicism there seems to be a heavy emphasis on historical figures and writings of saints outside of the original text. To the point where Saints are idolized, prayed to, etc. One of the ten commandments is having no idols, yet the Catholic Church is filled with relics. A Catholic may argue this is a way to honor saints, a Protestant will view this as idol worship. Regarding the comment of universal jurisdiction, this has not stopped the child abuse that has been endemic within the church. At some point leadership must understand that there is a fundamental flaw in the church’s theology that is breeding this kind of behavior. Finally, Protestants hold communion in high regard and approach with sobriety. Whether or not it is conducted weekly or monthly or quarterly, etc. The point is the attitude of the heart. You could take communion every day and turn that into an idol or take it for granted. The same goes for worship, the beauty of the body of Christ is that there are many expressions of love, adoration, and honor to the Lord. We aren’t meant to be carbon copies of one another. The religious leaders of Jesus day would walk around in their robes with an air of authority, casting judgement on the people for not following their long list of self imposed rules. Jesus harshest criticism was against these hypocritical spiritual guides, who outwardly looked pious, holy, serious, righteous, but who inwardly were rotten. As the word says ‘man looks on the outward appearance, God looks at the heart’. Point taken regarding the Ted Talk vibe in modern western churches. This is a deeply rooted tradition that is unfortunate and I believe is the reason for the cultural and spiritual decline in America. Unfortunately people follow a good communicator with charisma that is entertaining rather than a true spiritual guide who operates in the fullness of the Holy Spirit.
You hit the nail on the head. Very sparse scripture among Catholic argumentation. Mostly based on tradition. Even Paul wrote that many in his day denied the faith, the cross, or were perverting doctrine. There’s no reason we should hold early church fathers (who are very often in contradiction) in higher regard than the contemporaries and Apostles of Christ. In many ways Catholics espouse the characteristics of the Sadducees and Pharisees with the constant insistence upon endless rules for their version of pure religion. Yes there are issues within Protestant / ND churches, bad doctrine, and the like, but it is not lost on me that Catholics like Trent always try to pick the worst examples. As you said they are looking to enforce man-made rules and tradition, they care nothing of the heart. They place scripture in low regard, then mock Protestants for believing God’s word over man’s tradition.
@@merbear76 no, I never heard catholic mock Protestants for “believing God's word over man's tradition.” Your putting words into Catholics that they never say/do. Who I dishonest now? U do t look for a real conversation you just look for : “my side wins”
Hi, brother. Can you please recommend a church that isn't like the modern protestant churches? I've been seeking for the truth for years and recently, I've been a feeling "pull" to go back to my Catholic roots after spending most of my years attending non-denominational Christian churches. What drew me back were the historical pedigree of Catholicism, James 2:24, and the idea of synergism, and also the logical contradictions inherent in sola scriptura. I have talked at length with a Catholic friend and he has put forth very good arguments for synergism and Catholic theology in general. However, there are a few areas of Catholicism I find troubling. Particularly the more mystical aspects - relics, stigmata, miracles performed by saints, apparitions of Mary, weeping statues, Eucharist miracles etc. I know Catholics will say that 'you don't have to believe it' but, in practice, all that stuff is treated like a 5th gospel or something. And I have a very hard time reconciling it with scripture. I am also a bit leery of some of the Marian dogmas. And there's the matter of the Papacy - I can concede that Peter held a special place as leader of the apostles, but I am not so sure the papacy was ever intended to look like what it does today. Or that it should even exist. I am confused and I don't know what to do, and I would very much appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.
A former Pentecostal Protestant here. There was an emptiness I would feel after leaving a service. There was something that was not fulfilling. It felt like we were worshipping the pastor and music instead of God. The Catholic faith gives reverence to the Eucharist and kneeling before God shows that we respect what he did for us. The churches are beautiful buildings too. The readings also give you a daily reminder of what you can use for your life. Adoration is a great way to pray to God and show the worship that you feel when you give thanks to God. It comes naturally when you see the importance of the Eucharist.
What's interesting is that a lot of protestants like to say that Catholics focus more on the Catholic Church than Jesus. To Catholics this is absurd of course, but the misconceptions are quite incredible.
“The Catholic faith gives reverence to the Eucharist” but does it really. I’m not Roman Catholic and primarily because of the lack of reverence offered to the Eucharist that I experienced in Roman Catholic High School, go Falcons. I would attend Mass in school and outside of it and see the Priest manipulate, divide pray over and consume his specific larger wafer and the believers would receive another wafer poured out of a plastic bag and set aside until it was distributed to the parishioners. I also noticed that sometimes the body was offered but not the blood of Christ. Four years of Catholic High School only revealed the contradictions and errors of Roman Catholicism but just one visit to an Eastern Orthodox Church revealed Truth that I couldn’t deny.
I have been to many Protestant churches if various denominations, including Pentecostal. I think the emptiness comes from focus on ourselves and emotions. Biblical truth and our surrender to God's authority is the missing meaning, IMO.
I can’t speak for the Pentecostal church you went to, but my Pentecostal church is much different. Also, pentecostal churches that follow Acts 2:38 are not Protestant, but Apostolic. The Apostolic church, which is the true church, goes back to the day of Pentecost and not the Protestant reformation. That is a key historical point that must be understood.
@@alexanderh2345 Suggesting a Pentecostal Church or any Protestant Denomination, or any schismatic group including Roman Catholic and Oriental Orthodox as part of the Apostolic Church based on a single verse of Acts is the actual and serious error that denies key historical points that must be understood. Acts Chapter 2 is describing how the Church of the Apostles brought believers into the Body of Christ by steadfast doctrine, worship and prayer. United by Katholikos belief, worship and prayer, the same, obedient to revelation all revelation that includes the ecclesiastical authority of Christ’s Church, Apostolic Succession by laying on of Hands and submission to the authority of the Presbyter, Deacon, Bishop. All This supports the often repeated command of Scripture to be of one mind and judgement that only comes from the continuous inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Guiding the Church by the Biblical principle of enduring consensus Scripture defines as being pleasing to the Holy Spirit. The belief that you can participate in the Apostolic Church by proclamation and obedience to this verse or that verse of Scripture requires that you ignore vast swaths of Scripture including the immediate verses following the singular verse you site.
New Catholic here too from last Easter. I'm absolutely loving it and am so pleased that the Holy Spirit led me back home to the Catholic church. That's exactly what it feels like - home.
I went to a funeral mass over the weekend. The man we buried was the last remaining sibling of my father-in-law. He was a devout Catholic and had a lovely family he doted over. I noticed during the mass, most of the family sitting in front of us had no idea what they were doing in the mass. They didn’t come up for communion. My heart ached to witness this falling away. A good portion of those people go to Protestant churches now, while the others have abandoned any faith whatsoever. They don’t feel fulfilled in the Catholic Church. I’m a convert the other direction. I have found the treasure in the field. I am amazed at how anyone could have such a treasure and forsake it. But so too did Judas walk with Christ and yet he was lost.
This is the result of poor catechesis, which has been a problem for the past 50-60 years. At least they knew not to go up for communion, which only Catholics in the state of grace are allowed to do.
God doesn't have grandchildren 😢 I fear that man will have no one to remember him in their prayer or have masses said for him. Eternal Memory! Вечная Рамять!
I relate to this. There’s so much treasure in Catholicism, but it’s sold short and that’s why people leave it. I honestly think the liturgy is a big part of this. The mass has been stripped of a lot like the sacred language of Latin, the sacred music of Gregorian chant and polyphony, ad oriented, incense, and just solemnity in general. I think when we sell the mass short, it sells the rest of the faith short, and people think they’ve seen all that the Church has to offer. If you go to a Latin Mass parish though, you’re immersed in a beautiful, traditional and, more importantly, reverent and solemn mass. If you go long enough, it’s only a matter of time before you’re immersed in the traditions of the Church and you see everything to offer. Because the Mass is traditional, it connects you to the traditions of the past where there is so much good. This is just what I’ve concluded based on my own experience and also seeing Catholics leave the church and asking them and myself why
"But so too did Judas walk with Christ and yet he was lost." Are you sure? Theologians have fiercely debated for 2,000 years whether Judas was carrying out God's plan or not.
0:10 well, you should visit Brazil. The most of protestants are former catholic, the same around the latin america and others countries. So, there’s a bias in this research.
@themarcel508 Highly unlikely those former Catholics were catechized properly. Whereas, the Protestant converts to Catholicism tend to be well researched.
I converted from protestantism back in 08. I remember that my first mass back in 07 blew my mind. I couldn't believe how short the homily was compared to a sermon in any of the protestant churches in attendees growing up. I remember that the church i grew up in did the Lord's supper every other Sunday. The church was always packed on the Sunday we have the bread, wine, or grape juice. When i found out that every mass, every time, has the eucharist was amazing.i love the joy that comes with receiving the body and blood and everytime i enter the church.
@@matthewthomas3413 so basically you're pumped that you can listen to a short, superficial homily instead of a longer sermon that may actually convict you?
@JW-tg1nn I have yet to listen to a superficial homily. Every priest i have listened to has kept the message of their homily short, sweet, and to the point. A 45 minute sermon gets redundant about 15 minutes in. Longest homily i have heard was about 25 to 30 minutes long, and the priest kept the congregation engaged.
I've chosen to grow faithfully in a Pentecostal church and I have been with them for a year. They've become my family in Christ. I've given my life to Christ just over a year now and my whole life has never been the same. Those who know me are seeing the fruits at home and work. I never cared much about the difference between denomination because the lord is working through me on a path to repentance and its building a relationship with him. But I'm learning about the difference now. Never realised people made a big deal about all this. Which to me is a waste of time arguing over which is better because of this and that or how we should do this and that. Which means nothing when you walk with the lord and commune with him daily. I'm making mistakes alot but he keeps picking me up. But so far I have learned that I dont see division, I see more people coming to Christ because he has a great purpose for all of us. That's what's important. I've seen many people come and go in one year but Im happy I got to meet them atleast once before we are all together. Those who believe that our Heavenly Father sent his Son Jesus Christ to give us a way back to him through his death and resurrection.
But doesn't it stand to reason that if He founded a Church for our benefit ... that Church would provide your best shot at preparing for heaven? So why wouldn't you go with His Church, rather than some church founded by a mere human, post 1517?
@kdmdlo so does that mean the apostles, who visited the many other churches like in Corinth, Rome and so on were more concerned about what church they were in? Or were they more concerned about the gospel and the truth about Jesus Christ?
@@tamou_whanau1441 You're conflating two usages of the word "church". Sure there are individual buildings - in New York, in Brussels, in Nairobi. But there is also the universal (Catholic) Church ... which is united in belief and practice. There was but one universal Church (even then), but many physical locations (what we would call diocese today).
@kdmdlo forgive me, maybe I wasnt clear, my questions was to clarify what makes a "church" to you. It seems you're more concerned about religious and traditions, I have my reasons to serve a church that aligns with the will of the lord. Maybe you dont agree to some churches but you cant assume how I walk out my faith with him doesnt work because it's not catholic origin.
@@tamou_whanau1441 I am concerned with following (both in spirit and in letter) the teachings and commands of Christ, which form the deposit of Fatih in His Church.
As a non-denom protestant who has been living in a foreign country for the past 6 months, I agree so much with this. After needing a translator for all the sermons here, I was excited to go back home for Christmas and worship in my own language with the body of Christ at my home church. However, when I went to Christmas Eve service, we sang one song together, were told to take a seat, then sat and listened to several performances and a short sermon. I was incredibly disappointed. I've been looking into Orthodoxy for a while now and this has at the very least made up my mind to leave Protestantism.
I would recommend looking into erick ybarra and ben Bollinger (the latter was a protestant who became EO and ultimately ended up Catholic) for more information on the orthodox vs Catholic dialogue
The lack of reverence in the protestant services never convinced me before I believed even though I really wanted to. Im orthodox now. No offense to anyone but my experience is that the catholic service was identical to the episcopal one. Look up Orthodox Kyle on the RC vs EO question too.
I would suggest that, while you look into Orthodoxy, that you also look into the Catholic Church. It is the church established by Our Lord in Matthew 16:18-19 on the rock of Saint Peter. It is the church that has remained united as "one" for two thousand years, as He prayed that we would, three times n John 17 to His Father before He went to the Garden of Gethesamane.
I'm an RC Christian who would be happy if you went either RC or EO, because you'd be getting the Sacraments either way. I do think the RC church has the fullness of truth, but, again...sacraments!! More Jesus!
@pogodonuts My biggest argument against any Christian sect outside of the Catholic Church, including Orthodoxy, is that you can't find any other Christian denomination that is so well established around the entire world like Catholicism. You might find 1 or 2 "Christian" churches of any non/denomination within any given city in any country in the world but I guarantee you'll find twice as many Catholic churches. And the services you experience within them have the exact same elements, that even if you hear Mass in another language you know exactly why you're there and which part of the service it is.
“Why don’t evangelicals longing for more reverent liturgy and a higher view of the sacraments go to classical Protestant denominations?” Your answer is on point, at least for me. I became a Lutheran for 2 years, but I struggled with answering “why Lutheran and not Anglican, Catholic, or Orthodox?” Answering that question moved me to Catholicism.
@@ghostlyyt9167 The point about Lutheran not believing it is the only true church seems odd. This doesn't really provide evidence that the Lutheran church is valid or the truth. In fact, one would expect that the True Church would call herself just that, the True Church.
@@SilverioFamilyforChrist Lutherans recognize all branches of Christianity to be part of the one true church, whether they're Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox. They don't shy away from calling themselves the one true church, they simply recognize that other denominations are likewise members of the faith - something that, historically, Catholics and Orthodox refused to do. Gavin Ortlund explains this concisely in his video "The 5 Minute Case for Protestantism".
Son, grandson, nephew and cousin of sincere and faithful Baptist Pastors, I became a Catholic when I started reading the Church Fathers on topics such as the Eucharist, Baptism, the biblical canon, the unity of the Church, tradition, Apostolic authority and succession, the Papacy, Mary and the communion of Saints. There I stood, I could do no other. I wish I had done it much earlier in life...
I was Roman Catholic but reading the Church Fathers on topics such as; the Eucharist, Baptism, the biblical canon, the unity of the Church, tradition, Apostolic authority and the papacy, the Holy Theotokos (not 'Mary', please) and the communion of Saints, I HAD to become Orthodox. Here I now stand, I can do no other. I wish I had done it much earlier in life... ☦☦☦
Exactly the same for me regarding being a faithful Baptist and beginning to study Church Fathers, etc. It took me 6.5 years of diligent study, but I came into The Church at 63 years old, and I know that feeling of wishing that I had done it much earlier.
I am a born again Christian, a child of God, follower of Christ and a protestant - and I can testify with my own blood that I'm in the church God wants me to be ! 🕊🕊🕊
@ Well, you're right. You don't have to do anything. But is it a good idea to remain outside of the Church He founded ... opting to stay in a church founded by some man (e.,g. Lutheranism, Calvinism, etc.)?
@kdmdlothis is the ongoing false claim. The RCC is not the Church that Jesus founded. The Church is the sum of all Christ followers not any particular earthly institution .
@@jeremymead8546 Well, that may be how you see it ... but that's neither a biblical view of it nor is it the perspective of the early Church fathers. But you're free to use whatever definition you want, I suppose.
Why I WOULD NOT BE A CATHOLIC #1---NO Bible verse that says the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. #2--NO BIBLE verse that says God changes. #3---NO bible verse that says Jesus changes. #4---NO bible verse that says Jesus prayed to Mary. #5---NO bible verse that says Jesus taught such a thing. #6--NO bible verse thats says Mary is a mediator/ intercessor. #7--NO Bible verse that says/implies Mary is in heaven #8-NO BIBLE verse that says Jesus taught that. #9---NO BIBLE verse thats says there is a church named Catholic. #10--NO bible verse that says Peter was named Pope. #11--NO bible verse that says we go to heaven at death. #12--NO Bible verse that says the dead can hear our prayers. #13--NO Bible verse that says the dead can answer our prayers. #14- NO Bible verse that says Mary ever used/prayed to beads. #15--NO Bible verse that says we are to pray to Mary. #16- NO bible verse that says the disciples worshiped on Sunday. #17- NO bible verse that says God sanctified the first day of the week. #18--NO Bible verse that says GOD RESTED on the first day of the week. #19-NO bibl;e verse that says GOD Blessed the first day of the week. #20-NO bible verse that says GOD gave a name to the first day of the week. #21--NO bible verse that says GOD declared the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY. #22---NO bible verse that says infants to be baptised. #23--NO bible verse that says a mere man is head of God's church. #24-- NO bible verse that says Mary claimed to have remained a virgin. #25--No bible verse that says Mary claimed to be sinless. #26- NO bible verse that says Mary was "assumed into heaven. #27- NO bible verse that says Mary had no other children.. #28-NO bible verse that says we are to pray to images of Mary. #29-NO Catholic will answer my questions about Catholicism!!! #30---NO Catholic obeys Peter Their first pope. Acts 5:29 KJV - Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. Along with this: The Bible says in 2 Peter 3:15, “always be ready to give a defense of the faith that is in you.”
A Catholic Mass is like being invited to The Last Supper with Jesus & His apostles. Jesus said the first Mass & told them to continue it until He returns. When the Priest blesses the bread & wine, they transform into The Body & Blood of Jesus Christ; it’s The Transubstantiation. Receiving Jesus in Holy Communion is the most beautiful, powerful & intimate union we can have with Him while on earth. We truly become one with Him. 1Cor11:23-29,Jn 6:51-59 We aren't supposed to go to Mass to be entertained, we go to Mass to Worship our God, to hear His Word and most of all to receive Him into our body, to make us one with Him.
Thank you for this video, Trent - best I've seen. It encapsulates everything I've experienced as a Catholic who has also worshipped in evangelical churches and come to understand the centrality of sacrifice as/in worship in the past couple of years. Love the Mass - worshipping Jesus as he wants to be worshipped.
As a Protestant, I have found that Catholic Churches are very similar from church to church, but Protestant churches range greatly. I am a baptist and have found a church that I think is very good and shares the word of God very well. While I don’t agree with some Catholic teachings, they do have a stronger church system throughout. But there are still some great Protestant churches around. After reading some comments, I have realized that many people don’t like baptist churches, and they have a good reason to think that. Baptist churches are very loose on their rules and teachings, so they may vary greatly from church to church. That is why it is hard to understand Protestantism off of just one or two churches. Yes, I do believe that a lot of Protestant churches are suffering from luke-warm Christianity, but that doesn’t mean that all are. There are still some out there that greatly share the word of God and make worship meaningful and impactful.
I was a Baptist and you are right. Baptist churches vary from traditional Baptist to quasi Pentecostal. However, it was the "everybody has to be happy" and "you are meant to be blessed" that drove me away from the Evangelical and Protestantism as whole.
Catholics have what is called the universal church. This means the mass is the same in every church. The readings are the same as well as the mass order. You may see subtle differences, but the core mass is the same.
If we can use the analogy of the military, what keeps it intact is having an appropriate command and control center at every level (chain of command), logistics, lines of communication, uniformity of military doctrine and discipline. Some of these things are lacking in many Protestant churches.
I am a cradle Catholic who was attending a Mega Church. I got disgusted with the lack of reverant prayer, lack of communion, and that I knew how my pastor was voting, but felt no worth as a woman... well, less worth. Catholicism called me back and I feel closer to Jesus Christ through prayer and Eucharist.
As an Anglican chaplain, I recently listened to a Catholic telling me how difficult she found the Catholic approach to women and to women’s ministry, which made her feel of lesser worth. No church is perfect.
@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 personally, I think Catholicism is more supportive of women due to their reverence for Mary. Can you imagine the outrage if the Protestant Reformation happened today, and someone dared suggest to “remove all statues and reverence of Mary, delete Mary from the Rosary, etc.)
I went to Mass today and was thinking about worship as you described it. It helped me participate in the sacrifice of Christ made represent to the Father. Thanks, Trent.
Saying Luther denied "the bread and the wine become the actual body and blood of Christ" is confusing and could lead the uninformed to think Luther took a memorialist view of the Eucharist, which he most certainly did not. You can deny the RC teaching of transubstantiation (that the bread and the wine completely transform into the body and blood of Christ) while still affirming the Sacramental Union, in other words, that the real, physical body and blood of Christ are present in, with, and under the bread and wine in a mysterious way that we don't need to try to explain using Aristotelian metaphysics.
Fair point. Trent could have nuanced that. But he is literally right - as the verb "become" implies "change". As even you note, Lutherans teach there is a sense in which the bread doesn't "change" -it is just that Christs body is also there in , with and under the bread in an analogy to the hypostatic union of Christ's divine and human nature ('sacramental union). I never understood why Luther thought it was so necessary to deny transubstantiation - it was as good as his explanation and yes transubstantiation still leaves it as an ultimate mystery. I am an ex-Lutheran.
@@toddvoss52 correct. I'm a new Lutheran myself and still learning, but my understanding is that Luther believed all 4 are present at the same time: the bread, the wine, the Body, and the Blood. This is based on verses like 1 Cor. 10:16 where Paul refers to both bread and Body. I can't recall any scripture that would indicate the essence of the bread and wine cease to exist. Maybe you know of something? The explanation I've heard is that when Jesus says "this is my Body, this is my Blood" we say "okay," believe His words are true, and leave it at that. There is no need to explain how it happens beyond what scripture indicates. Again, I'm new to this and still learning, but was there a belief in Christendom that the bread and wine cease to exist prior to the 11th or 12th centuries? Did the early church fathers, for example, say anything that would indicate they believed the elements actually transform?
@@pelargir1 I don't know how far into this you want to get and I also don't want to write a super long response. But I'll be as succinct as I can be. First of all, we don't believe that the elements of bread and wine are "annihilated" or turned into nothingness and then the body and blood independently are confected. Rather they are "changed" into Christ's Body and Blood. And they are changed "substantially". As you know, we believe the "accidents remain" (and they are necessary for the Catholic Eucharist - if they are "ruined" by say pouring bleach into the post consecration "species" then Christ's blood is no longer substantially present. I won't go off any deeper into this but I note that many Protestants and even Catholics don't realize this). So the Father's are not going to be ultra precise. But what we frequently do see is language of a "changed into" or "becomes" which is consistent with our doctrine and arguably fits better than the idea that the bread and wine aren't "changed" but just that Christ's Body and Blood become present with , under and in the bread and wine (you can probably shoehorn your way into a "change" in the bread and wine but strangely Lutherans don't usually make that argument. But again, seems a bit more forced to me). So I am going to quote you Early Fathers who spoke most strongly in terms of the bread and wine being "changed into" or "becoming" the Body and Blood. St. Athanasius: "So long as prayers of supplication and entreaties have not been made, there is only bread and wine. But after the great and wonderful prayers have been completed, then the bread has BECOME the Body, and the wine the Blood of our Lord Jesus..." from Fragmentum apud Eutychium, found in Dennis Billy , The Beauty of the Eucharist : Voices from the Church Fathers(Hyde Park, NY New City Press, 2010), page 250. St. Cyril of Jerusalem: "By his own power on a previous occasion he turned the water into wine at Cana in Galilee; so it is surely credible that he has CHANGED wine into Blood." Mystagogic Catecheses 4.1-2. (Yarnold translation from Awe-Inspiring Rites). You can also find this on New Advent or other online compilations of the Post Nicene Fathers. St. Ambrose: "Yes before the sacramental words are uttered this bread is nothing but bread. But at he consecration this bread BECOMES the body of Christ...So now you have learnt that the bread BECOMES the body of Christ, and that, though wine and water are poured into the chalice, through the consecration effected by the heavenly Word, it BECOMES his blood...But when the words of Christ have done their work, it BECOMES the blood of Christ which has redeemed the people. So you can see the ways in which the word of Christ is powerful enough to CHANGE all things. Excerpts from De Sacramentis 4.14-23. (Yarnold translation from Awe-Inspiring Rites). This is not De Mysteriis. So not on New Advent. But you can probably find online. It is definitely available on Logos software( I have it). The universal consensus since the 1930's is that De Sacramentis is by Ambrose. Older texts from before the late 1930's online at the internet archive etc will say unknown author. St. Augustine: "what you can see here, dearly beloved, on the table of the Lord is bread and wine; but this bread and wine, when the Word is applied to it, BECOMES the body and blood of the Word." Sermon 227 Preached to the Neophytes on Easter n AD 414-415, trans. Edmund Hill, in "Sermons (184-229Z) on the Liturgical Seasons" , WSA, pt III(Homilies), vol. 6 (New City Press, 1993), page 254. I can add some more. For example Cyril of Alexandria says in his commentary on the words of institution in Luke 22:19-20 says: "He TRANSFORMS them [the bread and the wine] into the effectiveness of His flesh, that we might have them for a life-giving participation." That translation is from the IVP's Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture. Again, this is not some knockdown proof of Transubstantiation from the Fathers but it is all very consistent with it. And more consistent in my view than with the Lutheran view. By the way, the EO's may not prefer to use the Aristotelian terms of "substance" and "accident" and tend to dislike the term transubstantiation but they also confess a change in the elements. In fact they have used a greek word that very much means the same thing in the Confession of Dositheus from the pan orthodox Council of Jerusalem. So they explain it somewhat "less" but are essentially of the same view as us. We also believe it is ultimately a mystery just like EO and just like Lutherans.
This is such a good timing video. My little sister said their pastor talked about how important it is to worship outside of just church (which is good on its face) but when I asked her what her pastor said worship was she didn’t know and then finally said he said it was praying.
There was an exchange between Michael Knowles and Charlie Kirk on Catholicism vs Protestantism. I think Michael did a poor job in all honesty and I think I speak for many when I say I'd love to see a review of it so you can better articulate the Catholic view
I don't think there's much to be learned from a non-apologist debating a non-apologist. I like both them gentlemen quite a lot, although I prefer Michael for his style but also for the fact he's Catholic. That doesn't mean he's able to have such debates. To be fair, neither is Kirk, but maybe he's slightly better off when facing each other. They're great at debunking atheists and otherwise theologically clueless people, but since that ain't their expertise field, they'll both reach their limits at pretty much the slightest push back.
I totally agree with you. However I would like to say that I believe that Charlie caught Michael totally off guard. Michael usually does a good job. Also Charlie was prepared for blood and Michael was trying to have a friendly exchange.
Knowles’ solution to Kirk’s qualms with the Pope to just essentially not listen to him was so hand-wavey it made me cringe. Though, to be fair, all the points y’all are making about Knowles being much more amicable than Kirk, being caught off guard, etc. all played a factor.
I hope every Catholic Christian understands how Kirk’s special brand of antiCatholic hatred is cultivated in his fake 16th century church. His insanity is part of the evangelical culture. It’s a package deal go straight to heaven by spreading hate for Catholics.
I went to a Baptist church as a teen. They did the Lord’s Supper maybe once a year, and then if you had any sun unresolved you weren’t supposed to take it. There would be sermons about repenting and asking forgiveness. So I was like 16, and I had angry feelings against church women in their 40s who wrongly bad talked me publicly and made up stuff about me (I was a bus kid) and I went to apologize to them for being angry. They accepted the apology and didn’t apologize or repent and took the Lord’s Supper. I was stunned.
You repented, You are forgiven.. though going to confession is a terrifying experience it is, in the long run, the best thing ever. no details needed no blame, no explaining. just heartfelt sorrow ...Oh my God I am heartiy sorry for having offended thee and I detest all my sins for the lose of heaven and the pains of hell......
@@bruno-bnvm I know, and thank you. My comment was in reference to something Trent said about The Sacrament given in Protestant churches and it reminded me of my experience, how they made it into a thing where you had to publicly repent and yet most didn’t.
Thank you for including both branches of the Church - Roman and Eastern Orthodox. I was raise a Protestant - but was Confirmed a Roman Catholic 2001. Protestants focus on a good sermon and the pastor.
Trent thank you for what you and others do. Your podcast played no small part in me moving to full communion with the Catholic Church and confirmation this Easter.
I was a Protestant at the time and felt so exposed watching that. Joe really does not get enough credit. He's like a surgeon meticulously cutting down all your Protestant traditions
A more reverent liturgy was probably the single biggest thing that yanked me from my lukewarm Catholicism. Since then I’ve attended more liberal masses over the years that, if comparable to Protestant services make me pity them greatly. They really have no idea about the richness and beauty they’re missing out on.
I can only speak for myself, as a non denominational believer but I find extreme richness and beauty as I commune one on one with God. I don’t “need” communion or mass to connect deeply with my savior. No need at all for pity friend :)
In the liturgy we chant, "a mercy of peace, a sacrifice of praise." This is Jesus Christ. We offer up to God the lowly work of our hands in the form of bread and wine, and God transforms this into His own work of the incarnation, the cross and the resurrection, His own body and blood, and offers Himself back, graciously to us, though we are unworthy, transforming us. "For as the bread, which is produced from the earth, when it receives the invocation of God, is no longer common bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly; so also our bodies, when they receive the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, having the hope of the resurrection to eternity." - St. Irenaeus
As a Lutheran, I agree that the "concert and a TED talk" approach to worship is something that many attendees of evangelical churches eventually find to be quite empty and unfulfilling. However, I can't agree with the notion that in the sacrament of holy communion we are offering more than our praise and thanksgiving to God. God is offering us the body and blood of the once sacrificed Jesus, and we participate by receiving this sacrifice, just as the disciples participated in the last supper by receiving from Christ when He said take and eat, this is my body, drink, this is my blood. How can we offer God's sacrifice for us back to God? How can we offer God back to God?
Trent's line of argumentation comes across as extremely duplicitous. He claims Protestants can't possibly be worshiping without making sacrifice like the Romans do in the sacrifice of the mass. But when Papists are confronted with Hebrews 10:10 they are quite adamant that it is merely a re-presentation and not a re-sacrifice (something Trent repeatedly states in the video). By their own logic, if it is merely a re-presentation, then they aren't actually making a sacrifice, and therefore not actually worshiping.
@@M00Z1LLA If I remember correctly, on occasions when I have attended a Roman Catholic mass with friends or family, I believe that there was a prayer asking God to "accept our sacrifice." What, exactly, is this sacrifice of ours that we are asking God to accept? Also, when my Roman Catholic grandmother died some of her friends sent mass cards stating that "the sacrifice of the mass is being offered ..." I guess I'm confused about exactly what the sacrifice is that we are offering to God.
This ultimately comes down to the fact that we can't possibly offer to God what He is due, as Trent stated. The closest we can get is by gathering the whole Body of Christ together to offer praises and show devotion to God. The Eucharistic prayers reflect our desire to fulfill God's command to eat and drink His body and blood (John 6) so we offer (sacrifice) the elements of bread and wine back to Him. Then we become imitators of Christ (Eph 5) as our bodies become His home (John 17) and we ourselves receive the sacrifice for Him. Hope this helps
@@warmachine8006 So if I'm understanding you correctly, the "sacrifice" is nothing more than providing bread and wine for consecration (which is actually a weaker connection to sacrifice than the Lutheran understanding). If so, Trent is basically saying the essence of worship is providing unconsecrated bread and wine. How exactly does that invalidate Protestant worship? The only way I can see that being argued is via the Roman denial of Protestant ordination, but that's clearly not the argument Trent makes. The only way Tent's argument makes sense is if a Roman priest's work does in fact constitute a sacrifice. However that runs contrary to Rome's own explanation of Hebrews 10:10. So which is it? Does Rome contradict Hebrews 10:10 and re-sacrifice, or is Trent's argument wrong?
Orthodox Christian here. Very good video. Just wanted to add that when Christ says in John chapter 6, “unless ye eat my body and drink my blood, ye have no life in me,” this was not a symbol or parable. The apostles had already been given the grace to understand parables, and they didn’t see this as a parable at all. They didn’t ask him for a deeper meaning. They understood that he meant it as he said it. This is why, in verse 66, many leave him. The saying was hard, and they couldn’t accept it. It’s no wonder then, that so many people struggle with it today as well.
In fairness, see v35, and 63. "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty." "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing." I'm a Protestant who holds to the Lutheran view of communion which is very, very similar to yours. But John 6 is not the slam dunk you think it is.
@@InspironGantry Jesus is being metaphorical when He literally calls Himself "the bread of life". But then, He goes on to explain that since He is metaphorically the bread of life, He will give them His literal (no longer metaphorical) flesh to eat; hence "eat my flesh", "my flesh is real food", "whoever eats my flesh has eternal life". When He says the Spirit gives life, He is not simply saying that His words are metaphorical, but that the life giving part of Eucharist is Spiritual. It is not just flesh, but the flesh of our High Priest, the blood poured out for the forgiveness of sins.
@@InspironGantry If "the flesh counts for nothing" were about the same Flesh that Jesus told us to eat to have life, He would contradict Himself. The flesh in general indeed counts for nothing - but His Flesh is the food of eternal life.
I was raised an evangelical and converted when I was 17. After I’d come home from Mass my mom would ask me about the homily. One day I had to point out that Catholics don’t go to Mass to hear preaching-there are other avenues for that-but rather we go to Mass to worship God.
Oh dear, I bet that response left her clutching her pearls. You're absolutely correct, but that's a harsh reality a lot of evangelicals are not willing to consider.
I was watching Matt Fradd talk about how it can be overwhelming to become Catholic with all the info out there. Could you make a comprehensive guide to becoming Catholic? I think it would be helpful for those wanting to convert.
@@antodiyo7523 Just to be clear, I'm Catholic 😅 but i think some people could benefit from even being told to go to RCIA. They need like 7 easy steps to take, and they can get more info as they progress.
I think Erick Ybarra also wrote a blog post on this topic after his debate with Ubi Petrus. I think you should also give it a read. It's not exhaustive but it starts somewhere.
7:30 Trent began talking about the Eucharist. I think the pandemic exposed the Protestant worship problem. Protestants had issues bringing people back to church. On the other hand, Catholics/Orthodox were more successful because of the Eucharist. Removing the altar and not believing in the literal presence of the Eucharist will take a massive hit on worship.
that and saying the only thing you need for salvation is to profess that Jesus is your personal Lord and Savior. why should i go to church if that is all salvation takes? do not be like the five foolish virgins; gaurd your oil reserves so when the bridegroom comes to take you to the wedding feast you will be ready.
There's no need for an altar. Our Lord didn't use an altar. And remember a church is not the building. You bet the Lord would be telling folks now to sell the fancy buildings and give the money to the poor. Church is the people. They can gather in hired function rooms to worship and re-enact the Lord's supper.
@@ghostlyyt9167 ghostlyyt9167 Unless you can say most Protestants believe in the literal presence (not spiritual presence) of Jesus in the form of bread, I will keep saying most Protestants. I do think Protestants' belief in the Eucharist has a negative effect on their worship.
@@ghostlyyt9167 ghostlyyt9167 I do believe most Protestants don't believe in the literal presence (not the spiritual presence of the Eucharist unless you can prove it otherwise. Even traditional Protestants don't believe in the literal presence.
I’m Lutheran. We have a very traditional liturgy and sing hymns. It’s not a rock concert. It’s honoring God and not about us. Lumping all Protestants together isn’t accurate. Thank you for noting the evangelical/protestant difference.
Ex LCMS here- Orthodox for nine years. While the LCMS trad liturgy is more reverent, it won’t last. My former LCMS church went to the concert/TED talk format; on more than one of my visits there post conversion (my wife remains LCMS) the Gospel was not even read. Some decent musicians and a couple good singers (mostly paid non members) but not quite reverent, IMO. The parishioners often bring coffee into the church during worship, and even (not seeing eye) dogs. I’ve seen people wearing cowboy hats, and other weird garb in the church (the sanctuary, not the narthex). Sad.
@ hi! I’m LCMS (lifelong), and thankfully my church is not moving in the modern direction. Other LCMS churches I’ve gone to did eventually, as you said. My brother and his family are actually Orthodox now. I love the Lutheran church, but I appreciate many elements of the orthodox and Catholic churches, too.
I recently started my journey to Eastern Orthodox, but Trent is probably one of my favorite apologists, his voice is a really nice one to have playing in the background.
I've recently listened to John Burke on the Glenn Beck podcast. John Burke (former agnostic Engineer, turned Pastor) interviews people that have been through near death experiences (NDEs). I've seen several of the testimonies of the folks he's interviewed and they all have similar stories. One thing I've noticed is the ones that I have seen revolve around the "ALL encompassing love" Jesus, God the Father have for everyone of us. Another thing I noticed is of those that were atheists/agnostics, Buddhist, Jewish pre-NDE, returned speaking of the love of Jesus Christ. None of their stories mention, sacraments or any other "earthly" rules that needed to be followed once they were allowed to return to earth. I've been on a "return to Jesus" journey this last year and I thank Trent (and Joe Heschmeyer) for his knowledge and great way of breaking the bible down for me to understand. But sometimes I can't help but feel that the anti-Protestantism that goes on in Trent's comment section sounds a lot like the Pharisees did when Jesus spoke out against religion and the keeping of the laws of the Torah. I know this is long and I hope I don't get beat up too much by this comment but I love my fellow man and pray the best for everyone. God bless 🙏
Meaning no disrespect, but Jesus literally said that he came to fulfill the Law, and also that not one dot of the law would pass away. His criticisms of the pharisees were more to do with interpretations of parts of the law, even then, Jesus said that we should do as they say, but not as they do, hardly anti-religion or anti Torah
@@stananders2333 Jesus gave several key commands: -Love God (Matthew 22:37-38) -Love your neighbor (Matthew 22:39) -Repent and believe the gospel (Mark 1:15) -Follow Him (Matthew 4:19) -Make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19-20) -Love one another (John 13:34-35) -Forgive Others (Matthew 6:14-15) -Pray (Matthew 6:9-13) -Take up your cross and follow Him (Matthew 6:14:15) -Seek first the Kingdom of God (Matthew 6:33) These commands center on loving God and others, following Jesus, sharing the gospel, and living a life of prayer, forgiveness and sacrifice. Seems to me that many of Trent's commenters look down on non-Catholic Christians. I just wonder what Jesus would say about that. Would he also condemn these non-Catholics for not following the One True Church (according to Catholic History)? I sincerely believe that most Jesus-loving non-Catholics are just trying their best, to be the best they can be while on earth. God Bless. 🙏
Jesus actually came to establish a church, a religion, if you will, where we would worship God in spirit and in truth. His ire at the Pharisees had more to do with their pretense and show of religion and confessing God as their Father, honoring him with their lips, while their hearts were far from him. We don't know what Jesus tells those who have had near death experiences. We do know what he told his apostles who were the foundation of the early church. "Do this in memory of me" with respect to communion/Eucharist is a bad translation. It doesn't convey the meaning as a first century Jew would have understood it-that it was the fulfillment of the Passover Supper sacrifice. I have Protestant friends who love God more and who are true vessels of his love than many Catholics of my own denomination. There are just critiques both ways. I know Catholics who are also amazing and true vessels of God's love, truth, and mercy. There are ppl who desperately need to understand God's love for them, similar to the woman at the well. When we fully understand his love, we understand that his laws, commandments, and sacraments are an expression of that love.
@@susanhenderson3369 Thank you for that Susan. I encourage you to watch/listen to any number of NDE testimonies. There are several on UA-cam. What I find surprising are the ones that encounter Jesus, where on earth they wanted nothing to do with him. I’ve seen a Jew and a Muslim have encounters with Jesus and convert to Christianity. I have also seen some Catholics with NDEs that encountered the blessed Mary. What I find surprising about the converts to Christianity are that the message they have received from the “other side” is to LOVE. What I often find on Trent’s comments are Catholics “dunking“ on these poor uneducated Protestants that need to find the TRUE Church. I believe God knows our hearts and I know when I’m in my Protestant Church that the Holy Spirit is moving through the congregation when we are praising Jesus. When I speak to my Catholic friends it’s as if they pity me for not being Catholic. I just wonder if God willing I get to heaven if Jesus will be disappointed in me because I didn’t do the sacraments the way Catholics say I should.
@CommonSense624 I don't believe God is disappointed in us if we are doing the best to live by our beliefs if we truly believe in their veracity. God definitely knows the heart and it is why as humans we cannot judge someone's state of soul. The Holy Spirit cannot be put in a box. He will find His way to all hearts that seek truth no matter where they might be. If God had more for you in mind, "I have come that you might have life to the fullest," then if he intended to impart his grace to us through sacraments, then it might be something worth looking into. Gaining information can never hurt you. It can only allow you to make even more informed decisions about worship and your life in Christ. A low risk way to explore what Catholics teach about scripture, the Church etc. would be to google catholic radio and listen in. You may find that it resonates with you. Or not. But it will certainly be thought provoking to dive deeper into faith. I find the more discoveries I make about the meanings of scripture within it's historical context etc., the more I am in awe of God and his plan to save us.
I understand some churches having “concert” atmosphere for worship but there are still many churches that have a genuine fear of the Lord and revere Him in worship with an attitude of humbleness and adoration to the King of kings seeking to be holy as He is holy not only in our position (children of God) but also in our actions (1 Peter 1).
@ I’m not a catholic. I’m a disciple of Jesus Christ. My church for one has a worship environment where we let the spirit of God move. People have been healed completely from cancers and some have walked that were in wheelchairs. Worship is to be to God not a show. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
I'm an Anglican. This video is well argued and well done over all. I don't agree with everything, but this is an important video for Protestants to watch and consider.
Many great points brought up in this video as always, Trent. I attend a non-denominational church in my area because it is the best option, as all of the other mainline churches have been uprooted by progressivism, but I must admit that my personal theology is much closer to Catholicism than Reformed Baptist (I would consider myself Anglican in theology). I nearly left towards the end of the previous summer because I found a Presbyterian church and was enthralled by the liturgy, but stayed closer to home. And, you're completely right. Worship in the non-denominational setting is very tough for me to really get into, as it really does kind of feel more like "what has God done for me" rather than "let's give God all of our sacrifices and honors". This is a stark difference compared to the Anglican parish I attended on Christmas Eve, which had the presentation of Communion and sang out of a hymnal, as well as the utilization of the Book of Common Prayer. I think if you're a classical protestant, it's very difficult to attend non-denom's/mega churches and find them appealing in a liturgical sense (or lack thereof). The reception of Communion once a month (maybe), the view of Communion as merely a symbol, the songs which do not really have a historical root within the church and just feel empty, all combine to create an experience that at least to me, feels hollow. However, I cannot say that I agree with Zoomer when he claims that non-denominationalism is dying. As a matter of fact, it's probably going to carry the torch for "protestantism" (it pains me to call it that because it's not rooted in the reformation; if you don't baptize babies, you very likely can't call yourself reformed) for quite some time because it's ability to outreach to others and cater to a contemporary vibe will keep it in the mainstream. Much respect to my Catholic friends and to you as well though, Trent. You have helped me in my journey from a low-church theology to now about as high as you can get without being in an ecclesial tradition (Orthodox or Catholic), and have made me a better follower of Christ along the way, and I cannot thank you enough for that. God bless you all
If you would like to receive the Holy Eucharist. which is the most intimate, amazing experience that one can have with Our Lord, in a Church with direct apostolic succession from the twelve apostles, which can be found in an unbroken line that goes back two thousand years, then I invite you to consider Catholicism with a fair and open mind in a spirit of research.
Very good presentation. Worthy of thought by all believers. As a young man I found the Christian Church or also called Disciples of Christ. Born on the American frontier, we are autonomous congregations with elders as leaders, who seek the ancient order of things through careful reading of scripture. This made us neither Catholic nor Protestant. We celebrate the weekly symbolic and reverent sacrifice of the Lord's supper -though not exactly as our Catholic brethren do. We expect believers to be baptized for the forgiveness of sins. We confess our sins to God and sometimes through trusted friends. Jesus is our only mediator and high priest. We are crucified with Him and He lives in us by faith. There are still many conservative, God-fearing, sacrificial Christian churches around, although the disciples of Christ is now a liberal denomination. I offer this as an alternative to Catholic legalism and Protestant liberalism.
@@johngriffith6029 We cannot temper with the truth for our convenience. We don't create the truth, and we don't set the truth free. The truth will set us free. What truth? Twisted truths? All over the place truth? No!! It's one truth, one God, forever and ever, AMEN.
Definitely when Jesus is not present in a church no doubt it’s dying. The catholic / orthodox churches have stood the test for 2000 years where it has been passed down through oral and a very rich tradition.
As a Catholic revert who has only been to a protestant service once in recent time ( kind of a long story), I have a hard time calling it church especially after seeing "Pastor" Mike Todd bring a Tesla Cybertruck into his "church"
I wouldn’t generalize all of Protestantism over Mike Todd’s representation of it. Even as a Protestant, it makes me cringe, though I’ve vaguely heard Mike Todd is “unorthodox” to say the least.
I would also say that people come to faith in all sorts of ways. This man’s approach might turn me right off - but might draw a different kind of person to Christ. In the same way, perhaps, one person will take up the clarinet because they fell in love with Mozart, and another because they heard a jazz musician in the street.
^^ exactly the evangelical church I have went to has very nice singing Sunday mornings. After seeing the worship in the Catholic Church, and the voices of everyone as one choir just wow! I don’t mind just pulling up some worship music on Spotify if that’s what I’m looking for 😂.
This assumption needs to stop, yes some are very odd and don’t seem like worship, they’re just singing songs but not all are like that. Some are actually worship. It’s just simple hate to fellow brothers and sisters in Christ and it needs to stop
It is re-presented. We need to think how 1st century Jews thought and not how we think today! When Jews (Jesus Christ) said do this in remembrance of me, he was creating a new and everlasting covenant. Covenants for first century, Jews, and for us today are fully binding and must be observed. Let's not forget the apostles were writing as first century Jews, not as 21st century people. Jesus was fulfilling the Old Testament, and not starting a whole new different way of thinking about God, He was including all his children Jew and gentile, and at times correcting and adding to what was already observed.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 Gen. 14:18 - this is the first time that the word “priest” is used in Old Testament. Melchizedek is both a priest and a king and he offers a bread and wine sacrifice to God. Psalm 76:2 - Melchizedek is the king of Salem. Salem is the future Jeru-salem where Jesus, the eternal priest and king, established his new Kingdom and the Eucharistic sacrifice which He offered under the appearance of bread and wine.Psalm 110:4 - this is the prophecy that Jesus will be the eternal priest and king in the same manner as this mysterious priest Melchizedek. This prophecy requires us to look for an eternal bread and wine sacrifice in the future. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Eucharistic sacrifice of the Catholic Church. Malachi 1:11 - this is a prophecy of a pure offering that will be offered in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting. Thus, there will be only one sacrifice, but it will be offered in many places around the world. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Catholic Church in the Masses around the world, where the sacrifice of Christ which transcends time and space is offered for our salvation. If this prophecy is not fulfilled by the Catholic Church, then Malachi is a false prophet. A re presentation not a re sacrifice That has never been taught by the Church. It is an invention of anti Catholic and Orthodox
@@spencermackel7800 Obviously false. Catholics get Protestants who reject the Reformation so they belong back in the RCC. I live in a town with no Catholic church so I don’t know any Catholics.
And when the Eucharist is central, reverential actions become normal: processing, bowing, kneeling, fasting, professing creeds, pronouncing the Lord’s Prayer.
This is an act of charity. Trent, you’re being charitable by reminding and highlighting us elements of our Faith. May God continues to bless you and your family so that your work may produce more fruits among His flocks. 🙏
I know even the position this video essay takes will stir controversy in the comments, but, as a Protestant, let me say how gentle, true, fair and reasonable this comes across to me. This is well-received and welcome. It is both teaching and a confirmation. Thank you.
I am non-denominational, but go to a Catholic church. There is something abut the formality of Catholic churches that feels much more sacred. It's refreshing to go to a place where it isn't about me or anyone else that shows up. There is definitely a disconnect in how Christians view the purpose of church. Protestants want community, Catholics want to worship. Protestant churches need people to function, while Catholic churches could run Mass without anyone there. If a church needs people, it will naturally pander to people's needs. It should be a surprise to no one that is this the state of the church, as we are living in, probably, the most self-centered age of American history.
Actually the Catholic mass requires a number of people it's just that they all do their service in the background making Jesus the center of attention.
@@skatefan9495 And Luther led to thousands of denominations saying different things. Na man. Sticking with the Church Christ founded which also gave you the New Testament. You’re welcome.
@@commscompany1502 Those that follow the Bible say the same thing. Liberal mainline churches have lost their way. The New Testament does not give doctrinal authority to mere men. And God gave it to us..
Thank you, Trent, for your video. I agree with most of what you said; as a Traditional Lutheran Pastor, not in one of the main line heretical organizations, the eucharist IS the center and climax of the worship service. I also agree that today's evangelicalism is nothing more than a "Bad rock concert followed by a TED talk." But I think that it's disingenuous to lump true protestants (those who were actually part of the Reformation: Lutheran, Calvin, and Anglican) with all those who came after and can be called evangelical and using these terms interchangeably; they are not and have never been the same thing. There are many similarities between the Roman and Lutheran churches, and there is an ongoing dialogue with both Rome and the World Lutheran Federation, with only the issue of the Eucharist still remaining a dividing point. I would even say that, in many ways, Traditional Confessional Lutherans are closer to Catholicism than the Orthodox church (See the filioque as one of many examples). Again, I thank you for your video, and I will continue to watch and learn.
Oh, you should see how the Lutheran Church has devolved here in Norway. I would probably never have found the Catholic Church, if it hadn't been for the persistent hatred of tradition in the Lutheran Church. At this point, I am surprised if a new bishop is not both female and lesbian. But, I suppose you actually follow Luther, so this criticism is not directed toward you. However, it must be disconcerting to see how almost ALL the old reformed churches are falling into deep, deep heresies. Even if I knew that there were some faithful Lutherans in America, it would not have helped me stay in that tradition - it simply felt too fragile.
I'm an orthodox catechumen end this video was extremely helpful to me in explaining our views because I don't think you said anything in this particular video that wouldn't also applied to orthodox
I adore the reverence in Catholic mass. But, there are many teachings that I simply cannot square with scripture. And I cannot in good conscious join a church I theologically disagree with.
It would be a good opportunity to delve even more deeply in the theology of the Catholic church. It is very rich and you may find something there. There is a lot of good material out there to explore.
You can try the divine uk online mass father Joseph Edattu and many other priest are teaching the Catholic Church teachings which is the Bible I believe all of your doubts will be cleared …from a former Protestant
@@leechrec I'm incredibly aware of the teachings of the Catholic church, am well versed in the catechism, sat through hours and hours of Mass in multiple countries and I come from a Catholic family. It's that I DO know what they teach and I know what's in scripture. Some things, the Catholic church is right about, but others not so much.
@@leechrec I am well versed in what the catholic church teaches. I am well versed in the catechism. I've sat through hundreds of hours of the Mass, in multiple countries and I come from a catholic family. It's actually that I DO know what they teach and how in many things, the teaching of the Catholic church is based on tradition over scripture. While tradition has it's place, it does not and should not take precedent over scripture.
@@FaithImani-xq9ek I'm going to copy/paste my reply to a similiar comment. I am well versed in what the catholic church teaches. I am well versed in the catechism. I've sat through hundreds of hours of the Mass, in multiple countries and I come from a catholic family. It's actually that I DO know what they teach and how in many things, the teaching of the Catholic church is based on tradition over scripture. While tradition has it's place, it does not and should not take precedent over scripture.
As a former catholic I found myself caught up in a memorized routine, going thru the motions. Not once did I believe that salvation came from Jesus’ death but salvation came from a complex web of believing catholic doctrine, doing the rituals, and then having done all that, I was still insure of my salvation, so I had to go to mass at least weekly, confess my sins on Saturday, attend mass & take communion on Sunday, Monday I was all right but coming close to Friday I had accumulated sins that I would go to confession on Saturday, then to mass again on Sunday, this routine did nothing for my peace of mind & one day I just quit! Then I read the Gospels and I fell in love with Jesus, my prayer life became real and sincere, not running some beads thru my fingers and not even knowing much about what I was saying as the rosary prayers just rolled off me like water off a ducks back. I remember saying the whole rosary and because we said routinely when I would come to the end of the prayer I didn’t remember a thing. Catholics don’t believe in salvation by faith, you got to do all these unscriptural routines, and are still left unsure what will happen if you die. We only had a little snippet of the Bible, almost like slow drip transfusion. In reality there are only two religions, the one a “do it yourself, ten easy ways to salvation”, similar to Buddhism , Hinduism, Muslims where you have to “earn” your salvation thru works & the other religion, “God alone can save you kind” utter dependence on a saviour. The first goes straight to hell as it depends on your goodness or how smart or connected you are and then you think, “well if I’m good, and can do it myself, well I don’t need God, and so they get off on all those “good” works making them actually self righteous, meaning their righteousness is by their works, making them better than others. Jesus said “some will say Lord I did this in your name and I said that in your name and His response, get away from me I don’t know you. I would suggest Catholics to read the Bible, start with the Gospel John, there you will get to know Jesus and what He said & what he did. Throw off the yoke of bondage to an institution that is leading people to hell. As for those of you who “feel” the spirit, well feelings are not faith. Feelings come and go but the facts (the Word) remains. These large mega churches are also driving the members to a ”works” false doctrine of the prosperity gospel. If you are not rich and successful does that mean God doesn’t love you? Jesus is coming soon and by all the indications in the many prophecies, I would suggest getting to know Jesus through His Word, the Bible. If Jesus is right in Matthew 24, there will be troubling times ahead such as the world has never known, you need to get ready, grow up and prepare for His return. Remember straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to eternal life and few will find it. Jesus said for us to “come out from among them and touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you” He said let the dead bury the dead, come follow Me. Give Jesus a chance to live in you, receive him as your saviour and get baptized with the Holy Spirit, that’s a good starting place.
I'm Catholic but there was a time that went away from the God, what made come back was reading the gospels. I understood Jesus love for me, the need for the sacraments and receiving Jesus in the Holy Eucharist. Reading the bible makes you a better Catholic.
My experience of protestant church was a worship of the pastor rather than of God, and on a lesser level looking for the right combination of music and services to make the congregants happy.
A friend and I, both Protestant, were discussing how we both see an emptiness in modern contemporary worship, but we couldn’t put a finger on why. Then this video popped up on my feed the next day. Thank you, Trent
The emptiness is in the rectory, where there are comparatively few priests who aren't senior citizens in the US. When I was a young man there were three full time priests in the rectory of my parish. They used to call me to come babysit the rectory if they all had to go out at the same time, because my house was so close. Now the rectory building has been torn down and Mass is said by an immigrant priest who arrives from another town.
Before running to Papism and rejecting all of your theological beliefs, stop attending a fake Protestant church and go to an actual one … Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian, etc.
That is how it feels when the Spirit of God has departed. You should examine yourselves to discover what went wrong. Otherwise you will find yourself with the same emptiness even when you move to other denominations.
It is the holyspirit who is missing,the Catholic church is equally missing the holy spirit as well
To me this means that church does not walk by the spirit and invite the spirit in worship, yeah it’s just praise on the songs but if there’s nothing in the spirit it’s not worship. You can go to some and see it’s real worship and some are not due to their lack of spirit in the church. Thats really all it is. And yes that can be due to denying the presence in the Eucharist.
I think the issue for some Protestants is thinking it’s cannibalism but all it is, is just the real presence of Jesus in it. If the majority of Protestants can agree on this. Catholics and orthodox will see them as equal.
As a former lifelong Protestant, it was questions like these “ why do Catholics believe what they believe“ and “ what does it mean to worship?” . It was Catholic answers (Trent and Jimny) that finally gave me the clarity. I came home to the Holy Catholic Church Easter 2024!! Glory be to God!
Welcome home!
Welcome home!
Welcome home! :)
Amén, 🙏🙏🙏
Hate to break the news to you but the "Holy Catholic Church" is Protestant. Are you saying you came home to the Protestant church or did you convert to "Roman Pope worship"?
I'm a protestant and despise the "Jesus is my boyfriend" music played in a lot of churches. It's one thing to have lively music, but it also needs to be thelogically sound.
Well, you're welcome in the Church. Consider coming home!
Jesus is my boyfriend music, I’ve never heard it described like that
The medium is the message
Jesus is my Boyfriend? Just say your a catholic man pretending to be protestant.
@jahbee6317 Oh man, that descriptor is both hilarious and accurate. My mother is a high-church Lutheran and the vast majority of music that gets played at her church is classic Lutheran hymns. Honestly, I think high-church Protestantism is closer to Catholicism than it is to low-church Protestantism.
I was raised with pagan witches and broke free over a year ago. I walked into the Roman Catholic Church which was my dad’s church his entire life, I just never went and chose a different path with my other family members. He asked me to go so I went and had no intent of converting. The Catholic Church was so beautiful but that didn’t convert me. They did Eucharist and I felt god there. Idk how I knew it was him but I felt it. It was terrifying and beautiful at the same time. I was afraid I was gonna die and also not scared at all. I broke down in tears and after church the priest came to me and said he felt like he needed to talk to me. We sat for a total of 6 hours and talked about mother Mary god the father Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I never stopped going back to talk to him. I went to church and ofc didn’t get communion cause I need to be baptized again I think cause my dad did it when I was a baby but I made covenant with demons as a child and teenager so idk how that works. Also I’m not catholic so I knew not to participate but I always came for months and sat with the priest and talked for hours. I fell in love with the catholic faith and about 2 months ago decided I am ready to full join the church. I just moved to Springfield IL and need to go to the church here and see what I can do to start RCIA etc. I’m really going to miss that parish St. John bosco catholic parish in Hammond IN, the priest there really changed my heart. I hope I can find another church out here that will accept me and my background. ❤
Thanks for sharing the testimony, I’ve never heard someone encountering a life changing God in a Catholic Church, that’s awesome! Praise Jesus.
I am going to pray for you, every day ! Love from Austria/Europe
Thanks for your testimony. I have been told by a priest recently that the sacraments can only be imparted once. If you have already been baptized once you are and will always be a child of Christ, any mistakes you may make will be forgiven through confession and true repentance.
Put your Faith in Jesus Christ the son of God, read the Holy Bible, and you will find salvation. Dont fall for the lies of catholics, they prey to dead people and worship images and traditions. Catholics make you “feel good” but they teach false ways to honor God.
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Thank you Trent for another great video! Very informative for this cradle Catholic. God bless you!
It's simple.
Mainline Protestants: trad worship matters
Evangelicals: shut up, Pharisee
Next generation of Evangelicals: This contemporary worship sucks I'm going Catholic
As someone who grew up in a traditional IFB church, then visited mostly traditional Lutheran, Anglican, and Presbyterian churches in college, I'm still drawn to Catholicism over the worship problem, among other exegetical and theological concerns.
Certainly some are as you describe, but not all
Be honest RZ! What does the pew research center show? What do US Catholics think about Eucharist? Not just Protestant issue.
We have to stop pretending like catholics are perfect or that people not on youtube are converting at the rates youtube videos would indicate. I live in a very catholic dominant part of the US and can't even remember the last time a catholic could articulate the gospel, I love my catholic brothers and sisters but the yt catholic ortho hate on protestant party is a joke to anyone who actually encounters and does life with them
@@jaypritchard7122 exactly...70 percent of Catholics don't even believe in transubstantiation.
@jaypritchard7122 man I live in a very catholic dominant part of the US and can't even remember the last a catholic could really articulate or defend the faith, not to mention cared whether someone was going to die outside of Christ. I love my Catholic brothers and sisters, but as someone who interacts, works, and does life with them we have to stop pretending like any of the catholics rocks protestants suck applies anywhere except youtube, none of this imagined mass conversion is happening in the real world
Hello Trent! I converted to Catholicism from the Baptist church just last year. I have to thank you for your content because it has been a huge aid in developing my understanding of Catholic teaching and doctrine. I can say that attending Mass was the singular thing that convinced me to convert after having considered converting (but holding back due to apprehension over what that conversion would require) for many years. Baptist services always felt so empty to me. I thought that that was the only way you could do "church." I never knew what I was missing until I attended Mass. I just knew there was something I was missing. I get some flack from my family over my conversion, but my wish now is that they would join me. They don't know what they're missing either. I was once desperately trying to drink from a well that was drying quicker than I could satisfy my thirst, and I am now drinking from a well that is over flowing.
Welcome home. Please, keep learning and strive for holiness. Conversion is just the beginning.
Man I’ll pray for your family. My wife was southern Baptist and she did it for me. I was presbyterian before I came home.
Welcome home!
@@d3adp94 I really appreciate that- my boyfriend played a major role in my conversion, so I relate haha
I had the same experience to a T this year! I’ll be praying for you!
Former Catholic here for 60 plus years. I'm in my mid-seventies now.
I left the RCC after reading the Bible. No one prompted me to do this. It was simply an irresistible pull. So many things just didn't add up for me after years of study.
I started to attend a Presbyterian church. Though I attended a Catholic grade school in the 50's and high school, I was shocked at how much I had not learned. During my Catholic education, we never even cracked a Bible. Never!
I am a little taken aback about all the negative comments regarding "Protestant" worship services. I look forward to attending church more than I ever had in the past. I attend every Sunday. Our service is comprised of many, many periods of prayer, silent meditation, a sermon, communion, and singing. In total, the service lasts about 1.5 hours.
I recall tne nuns telling us in class that singing was two ways to worship God, in word, and in music. While attending Mass, I could not help but notice how many people did not sing. I also wondered if folks receiving communion really understood this sacrament by their blank expressions or wandering eyes returning to their pews.
Regarding sermons, they are not "Ted talks." I see them as a catalyst for worship. Our pastor presents very challenging talks that I take with me as a guide for my daily life. I pray now more than I ever did before. I read the Bible almost daily and watch quite a few various Christian UA-cam channels. Faith in God is my centerpiece of life.
Our church also has about six or more Bible study programs that have greatly benefitted me.
Our church has numerous outreach programs where we support community efforts to improve folks' lives and living conditions. We also support two international programs, not only with financial assistance but actually flying to those locations to help with community development programs.
All denominations have issues that can be improved upon. No one is perfect. What I have discovered is that there isn't a church on earth that can save you. Salvation is only obtained by believing in Jesus Christ and trusting in Him. (John 3:16) This is the central message of Scripture. It has never changed. If Catholicism does this for you, that is wonderful. Keep Christ first in your life above all.
Praise God! His Word is clear and powerful!
Well said.❤
La Iglesia es columna y fundamento de la Verdad, dicen las Escrituras.
"COmo el Padre me envió así los envío Yo también", y sopló sobre ellos para darles poder para perdonar o retener pecados(Juan20,21-23).
"No ruego sólo por éstos sino también por aquellos que creerán en mí por su palabra" (Juan17,20-23), dice el Señor hace dos mil años a su única Iglesia.
"YO ESTARÉ CON USTEDES TODOS LOS DÍAS HASTA EL FIN DEL MUNDO", dice Jesucristo a su Iglesia hace dos mil años.
"EL QUE A USTEDES OYE A MÍ ME OYE, Y EL QUE A USTEDES RECHAZA A MÍ ME RECHAZA, Y AL QUE ME ENVIÓ", dice el Señor.
@@timmcvicker5775 This was well said Tim. I love Trent and love learning from him. But I always find his followers/commenters always looking down on Protestants. I don’t think Jesus will look at non-Catholic Christians in Heaven and shake his head in disappointment because we didn’t follow his “real” Church and do what the Catholic Church said to do to the tee. I can’t imagine a former Muslim in Lebanon or former Buddhist in China would have the opportunity to attend a Catholic mass and do all sacraments necessary to be a part of the “true” Church. JESUS CHRIST IS KING! 🙏
JESUS CHRIST ABOVE ALL ELSE!!
Praise the Lord for you.
The truth is that you're never gonna find a perfect church. Leaders are as human as anyone else is. They are tempted, they fall short.
That's why your contribution to the church is paramount.
You're looking for a Church that is faithful to scripture and teaches you how to read it in such a way that you are in position to rebuke even the leadership when they are going wrong.
A church that have leaders that they have labelled 'inflatable' is a very dangerous church and I'd be very careful before I join such a church.
A church with a leadership that takes the servant leadership model of Christ, accepts rebuke and corrections as the apostles did several times. That's the church you're looking for.
Converted from Protestantism to Catholicism because I had a deep sense of what you just articulated.
Proudly a Catholic convert.
Welcome home!
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Thank you. I have been home for some years now.
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1 Corinthians 1:10-13 (RSV-C)
_“I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brethren. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?”_
Yeah, what about it?
You converted to Rome over worship knowing there are other options such as old Catholic, orthodox, evangelical Catholic (Lutherans), Anglican. How did you square aligning the papal infallibility and Mary dogmas with Scripture and church history/tradition?
Same here! It’s so difficult to verbalize.
This video pretty much encapsulates why I was a Protestant to a converting Catholic.
I cannot wait to receive the Eucharist for the first time this upcoming April!!!
Take .. no
Receive .. yes
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Amen.
Praise God!
Amen Amen, thanks be to God❤️
Blessings!
Orthodox viewer here. Well said, Trent! In the Divine Liturgy, the priest holds the Eucharist chalice aloft and chants, "Thine own of Thine own we offer unto Thee on behalf of all, and for all."
Thanks for informing the readers who have not experienced the Byzantine Divine Liturgy.
Trent and his family attended / attends a Uniate church in the Byzantine Rite.
Similarly, in the Mass, at the end of the Roman Canon, the priest elevates the Eucharist and chants/sings: “Through Him, and with Him, and in Him, O God, Almighty Father, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honour is Yours, for ever and ever.”
(Contextually, the “Him” in that line is referring to God the Son, Jesus Christ)
Wow I want to experience this❤
Time for Orthodoxy! ☦☦☦
@StanleyPinchak I thought he was Novus Ordo now?
Praise our blessed mother for accepting and saying yes to God, the highest.
I went to Latin Mass for the first time yesterday. As someone with an evangelical background, this question has bothered me quite greatly. And I've been thinking about nonstop since yesterday. This video was very timely for me.
Thank you.
I'm a catholic and been to modern mass and latin mass and I can really say that the Latin Mass is very different and is much more solemn than the modern mass.
I hope you had an enjoyable experience! I’m sure it’s a bit of a culture shock coming from evangelical style worship 😅 But it’s great to see you exploring our Catholic tradition. God bless you!
bless you sister. i will pray for thee that god might sheweth thee the way.
@@hannah_rr If you have a serious intention, NO Mass can be just as spiritual as LM. It's also instructive to recall that Latin was at one time the vulgar idiom and it was Greek that held sway in the Mass.
@@rhwinner The problem is that you have to go out of your way in the NO in a way that you simply don’t in the TLM. I have been to good and edifying NO Masses, but I’ve never been to a distracting or irreverent TLM!
As a former protestant, Tradition and Eucharist is what brought me to the Catholic Church. I got tired of modern worship. I needed something more, I needed the Eucharist. Nothing wrong with modern worship music, or even dancing before the Lord, but I do that on my own, in my home and car.
Yeah you needed the Eucharist because You don’t have the Holy Ghost. So fill up on y’all Eucharist
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Or because that was Jesus teached in John 6.
Great that you found a place that's more historic and sacramental. But you didn't need to leave protestantism to do so.
Lutheranism is exactly that while also having the positives of protestantism.
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What are the 'positives' of Protestantism?
@@matthiashellwig2536 Without the divine priesthood instituted by Jesus Christ in his one true church with 2,000 years of unbroken apostolic succession and their consecration of the host at the holy mass, yours is just a cracker and grape juice no matter how convicted you are. Most definitely not the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ.
As a former lifelong Protestant, I remember singing during an overly emotional "worship night" called "Singspiration" at my evangelical college and thinking to myself, "Is this really....it? This is really the peak of worship on Earth? This can't be." 9 years later, I was received into the Catholic Church.
Can you please humor me? Did the "smells and bells" some evangelicals accuse us of have anything to do with the appeal Catholic worship had to you?
I live in a Catholic country where evangelicals seldom interact with us. So, seeing this accusation of "it's just smells and bells" made me chuckle a bit when I first came across it
@@littleway24601 But it will be a ‘peak of worship’ for some, who have different cultural preferences, or background, even if it is not for you or for me. Different culture, but worshipping the same Trinitarian God.
The peak of worship on earth isn’t what we do in church, but what we do outside it, as well. It’s loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind, and loving others as yourself. Loving your enemy and praying for those who persecute you. Love is a verb, not a feeling. Not all Christians worldwide have the blessing of being able to attend a formal church service, but they can still offer this highest form of sacrificial worship.
@@littleway24601 Humour me a bit here!!! what is different in the catholic church that was not there in these protestant evangelical worships???
@@aibanlamlyngdoh297its the Eucharist and nuns and priests with apostolic succession. I converted to Catholicism a year ago. I left the Protestant church after being raised Protestant.
I attended an Antiochian Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy sometime in 1995 after leaving a nondenominational church…. I was struck/awed and felt like I found my home… after a long period of spiritual homelessness. Glory to God for His unspeakable gift. I now see many young people (majority men) becoming catechumen at our church. The thirst is real.
I became an Orthodox Christian at age 60 after a lifetime in an independant evangelical church, 30 yrs of that having been married to a minister until he divorced me
I went from Presbyterian to Catholic to Eastern Orthodox and I have zero regrets. I am blessed with a great community, an awesome priest, and close proximity to many monasteries. Glory to God in the highest!
Nothing is "driving them away," the truth is pulling them into its arms.
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Well said
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What is salvation?
How does one get born again?
Your explanation is why I came back into the Catholic church.
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You are gullible if this is all it took. Look up Vatican II. The Catholic Church pronounces 100 anathemas against Protestants, yet accepts Muslims as “brothers” of one faith. Current pope also believes all religions lead to heaven and even brought pagan South American idols into a Church
I was raised protestant and I often heard critiques of Catholicism. I support critical thinking and therefore appreciate hearing critiques of protestantism.
But what have you learned about reading the Bible and worshiping God?
Thanks for being open minded.
The issue should be the truth. This is not a game of hide and seek, it's about the do or die reality of truth and falsity. Which do you embrace? Your choice decides your fate at judgement day, so choose now .
Look into Orthodoxy. Visit an Orthodox Liturgy and feel the spirit there.
@@judyheller8814 I love the truth. That is why I am Christian.
As a life long Protestant this was a great listen. I am curious as to the amount of references to extra biblical text to buttress the arguments contained in the video. Protestants rely primarily on scripture, believers with integrity do not fashion theology on ever evolving interpretations by historical figures, yet in Catholicism there seems to be a heavy emphasis on historical figures and writings of saints outside of the original text. To the point where Saints are idolized, prayed to, etc. One of the ten commandments is having no idols, yet the Catholic Church is filled with relics. A Catholic may argue this is a way to honor saints, a Protestant will view this as idol worship. Regarding the comment of universal jurisdiction, this has not stopped the child abuse that has been endemic within the church. At some point leadership must understand that there is a fundamental flaw in the church’s theology that is breeding this kind of behavior. Finally, Protestants hold communion in high regard and approach with sobriety. Whether or not it is conducted weekly or monthly or quarterly, etc. The point is the attitude of the heart. You could take communion every day and turn that into an idol or take it for granted. The same goes for worship, the beauty of the body of Christ is that there are many expressions of love, adoration, and honor to the Lord. We aren’t meant to be carbon copies of one another. The religious leaders of Jesus day would walk around in their robes with an air of authority, casting judgement on the people for not following their long list of self imposed rules. Jesus harshest criticism was against these hypocritical spiritual guides, who outwardly looked pious, holy, serious, righteous, but who inwardly were rotten. As the word says ‘man looks on the outward appearance, God looks at the heart’. Point taken regarding the Ted Talk vibe in modern western churches. This is a deeply rooted tradition that is unfortunate and I believe is the reason for the cultural and spiritual decline in America. Unfortunately people follow a good communicator with charisma that is entertaining rather than a true spiritual guide who operates in the fullness of the Holy Spirit.
You hit the nail on the head. Very sparse scripture among Catholic argumentation. Mostly based on tradition. Even Paul wrote that many in his day denied the faith, the cross, or were perverting doctrine. There’s no reason we should hold early church fathers (who are very often in contradiction) in higher regard than the contemporaries and Apostles of Christ.
In many ways Catholics espouse the characteristics of the Sadducees and Pharisees with the constant insistence upon endless rules for their version of pure religion.
Yes there are issues within Protestant / ND churches, bad doctrine, and the like, but it is not lost on me that Catholics like Trent always try to pick the worst examples. As you said they are looking to enforce man-made rules and tradition, they care nothing of the heart. They place scripture in low regard, then mock Protestants for believing God’s word over man’s tradition.
@@merbear76 no, I never heard catholic mock Protestants for “believing God's word over man's tradition.” Your putting words into Catholics that they never say/do. Who I dishonest now? U do t look for a real conversation you just look for : “my side wins”
@copernicansun744 that's a terrific comment.
Glad I stumbled upon this comment thread
Hi, brother. Can you please recommend a church that isn't like the modern protestant churches? I've been seeking for the truth for years and recently, I've been a feeling "pull" to go back to my Catholic roots after spending most of my years attending non-denominational Christian churches. What drew me back were the historical pedigree of Catholicism, James 2:24, and the idea of synergism, and also the logical contradictions inherent in sola scriptura. I have talked at length with a Catholic friend and he has put forth very good arguments for synergism and Catholic theology in general.
However, there are a few areas of Catholicism I find troubling. Particularly the more mystical aspects - relics, stigmata, miracles performed by saints, apparitions of Mary, weeping statues, Eucharist miracles etc. I know Catholics will say that 'you don't have to believe it' but, in practice, all that stuff is treated like a 5th gospel or something. And I have a very hard time reconciling it with scripture. I am also a bit leery of some of the Marian dogmas. And there's the matter of the Papacy - I can concede that Peter held a special place as leader of the apostles, but I am not so sure the papacy was ever intended to look like what it does today. Or that it should even exist. I am confused and I don't know what to do, and I would very much appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.
A former Pentecostal Protestant here. There was an emptiness I would feel after leaving a service. There was something that was not fulfilling. It felt like we were worshipping the pastor and music instead of God. The Catholic faith gives reverence to the Eucharist and kneeling before God shows that we respect what he did for us. The churches are beautiful buildings too. The readings also give you a daily reminder of what you can use for your life.
Adoration is a great way to pray to God and show the worship that you feel when you give thanks to God. It comes naturally when you see the importance of the Eucharist.
What's interesting is that a lot of protestants like to say that Catholics focus more on the Catholic Church than Jesus. To Catholics this is absurd of course, but the misconceptions are quite incredible.
“The Catholic faith gives reverence to the Eucharist” but does it really. I’m not Roman Catholic and primarily because of the lack of reverence offered to the Eucharist that I experienced in Roman Catholic High School, go Falcons. I would attend Mass in school and outside of it and see the Priest manipulate, divide pray over and consume his specific larger wafer and the believers would receive another wafer poured out of a plastic bag and set aside until it was distributed to the parishioners. I also noticed that sometimes the body was offered but not the blood of Christ. Four years of Catholic High School only revealed the contradictions and errors of Roman Catholicism but just one visit to an Eastern Orthodox Church revealed Truth that I couldn’t deny.
I have been to many Protestant churches if various denominations, including Pentecostal. I think the emptiness comes from focus on ourselves and emotions. Biblical truth and our surrender to God's authority is the missing meaning, IMO.
I can’t speak for the Pentecostal church you went to, but my Pentecostal church is much different. Also, pentecostal churches that follow Acts 2:38 are not Protestant, but Apostolic. The Apostolic church, which is the true church, goes back to the day of Pentecost and not the Protestant reformation. That is a key historical point that must be understood.
@@alexanderh2345 Suggesting a Pentecostal Church or any Protestant Denomination, or any schismatic group including Roman Catholic and Oriental Orthodox as part of the Apostolic Church based on a single verse of Acts is the actual and serious error that denies key historical points that must be understood. Acts Chapter 2 is describing how the Church of the Apostles brought believers into the Body of Christ by steadfast doctrine, worship and prayer. United by Katholikos belief, worship and prayer, the same, obedient to revelation all revelation that includes the ecclesiastical authority of Christ’s Church, Apostolic Succession by laying on of Hands and submission to the authority of the Presbyter, Deacon, Bishop. All This supports the often repeated command of Scripture to be of one mind and judgement that only comes from the continuous inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Guiding the Church by the Biblical principle of enduring consensus Scripture defines as being pleasing to the Holy Spirit. The belief that you can participate in the Apostolic Church by proclamation and obedience to this verse or that verse of Scripture requires that you ignore vast swaths of Scripture including the immediate verses following the singular verse you site.
New Catholic here too from last Easter. I'm absolutely loving it and am so pleased that the Holy Spirit led me back home to the Catholic church. That's exactly what it feels like - home.
The peace of Christ remain with you. Welcome home! ✝️
I went to a funeral mass over the weekend. The man we buried was the last remaining sibling of my father-in-law. He was a devout Catholic and had a lovely family he doted over.
I noticed during the mass, most of the family sitting in front of us had no idea what they were doing in the mass. They didn’t come up for communion. My heart ached to witness this falling away. A good portion of those people go to Protestant churches now, while the others have abandoned any faith whatsoever. They don’t feel fulfilled in the Catholic Church. I’m a convert the other direction. I have found the treasure in the field. I am amazed at how anyone could have such a treasure and forsake it. But so too did Judas walk with Christ and yet he was lost.
This is the result of poor catechesis, which has been a problem for the past 50-60 years. At least they knew not to go up for communion, which only Catholics in the state of grace are allowed to do.
God doesn't have grandchildren 😢
I fear that man will have no one to remember him in their prayer or have masses said for him.
Eternal Memory! Вечная Рамять!
I relate to this. There’s so much treasure in Catholicism, but it’s sold short and that’s why people leave it. I honestly think the liturgy is a big part of this. The mass has been stripped of a lot like the sacred language of Latin, the sacred music of Gregorian chant and polyphony, ad oriented, incense, and just solemnity in general. I think when we sell the mass short, it sells the rest of the faith short, and people think they’ve seen all that the Church has to offer.
If you go to a Latin Mass parish though, you’re immersed in a beautiful, traditional and, more importantly, reverent and solemn mass. If you go long enough, it’s only a matter of time before you’re immersed in the traditions of the Church and you see everything to offer. Because the Mass is traditional, it connects you to the traditions of the past where there is so much good.
This is just what I’ve concluded based on my own experience and also seeing Catholics leave the church and asking them and myself why
"But so too did Judas walk with Christ and yet he was lost."
Are you sure? Theologians have fiercely debated for 2,000 years whether Judas was carrying out God's plan or not.
@ if Christ is God, can Judas betray God while also following God?
0:10 well, you should visit Brazil. The most of protestants are former catholic, the same around the latin america and others countries. So, there’s a bias in this research.
This is very true
@themarcel508 Highly unlikely those former Catholics were catechized properly. Whereas, the Protestant converts to Catholicism tend to be well researched.
@@FideiDefensatrixdo you have any data to back both of your claims or is it just guesswork?
Cope
That is true ,my entire family are former catholics became Protestants
Thank you Trent. You and other fellow Catholics apologists are one of the reasons why I went back to my Catholic faith 💪✝️
I was in Toronto recently, and every protestant cathedral we passed had a pride flag out front except the Catholic cathedral. Made me proud
The issue is mainline protestantism was the next target of infiltration after academia, the workplace and scouting
Glory be to God, and to Jesus’s church. 🙏🙏🙏
What other parts of Mosaic Law do you keep?
I’m Catholic but you are correct wish someone would do a deep dive into this issue
Come see some of the Catholic cathedrals in California… plenty of pride support
I converted from protestantism back in 08. I remember that my first mass back in 07 blew my mind. I couldn't believe how short the homily was compared to a sermon in any of the protestant churches in attendees growing up.
I remember that the church i grew up in did the Lord's supper every other Sunday. The church was always packed on the Sunday we have the bread, wine, or grape juice.
When i found out that every mass, every time, has the eucharist was amazing.i love the joy that comes with receiving the body and blood and everytime i enter the church.
This comment made me shed a tear. I need to go to confession. I need the Eucharist. I'm starving for Christ.
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It's the truth that made you shed the tear of joy and peace.
@@matthewthomas3413 so basically you're pumped that you can listen to a short, superficial homily instead of a longer sermon that may actually convict you?
@JW-tg1nn I have yet to listen to a superficial homily. Every priest i have listened to has kept the message of their homily short, sweet, and to the point. A 45 minute sermon gets redundant about 15 minutes in. Longest homily i have heard was about 25 to 30 minutes long, and the priest kept the congregation engaged.
I've chosen to grow faithfully in a Pentecostal church and I have been with them for a year. They've become my family in Christ. I've given my life to Christ just over a year now and my whole life has never been the same. Those who know me are seeing the fruits at home and work.
I never cared much about the difference between denomination because the lord is working through me on a path to repentance and its building a relationship with him. But I'm learning about the difference now. Never realised people made a big deal about all this. Which to me is a waste of time arguing over which is better because of this and that or how we should do this and that. Which means nothing when you walk with the lord and commune with him daily.
I'm making mistakes alot but he keeps picking me up. But so far I have learned that I dont see division, I see more people coming to Christ because he has a great purpose for all of us. That's what's important. I've seen many people come and go in one year but Im happy I got to meet them atleast once before we are all together. Those who believe that our Heavenly Father sent his Son Jesus Christ to give us a way back to him through his death and resurrection.
But doesn't it stand to reason that if He founded a Church for our benefit ... that Church would provide your best shot at preparing for heaven? So why wouldn't you go with His Church, rather than some church founded by a mere human, post 1517?
@kdmdlo so does that mean the apostles, who visited the many other churches like in Corinth, Rome and so on were more concerned about what church they were in? Or were they more concerned about the gospel and the truth about Jesus Christ?
@@tamou_whanau1441 You're conflating two usages of the word "church". Sure there are individual buildings - in New York, in Brussels, in Nairobi. But there is also the universal (Catholic) Church ... which is united in belief and practice. There was but one universal Church (even then), but many physical locations (what we would call diocese today).
@kdmdlo forgive me, maybe I wasnt clear, my questions was to clarify what makes a "church" to you. It seems you're more concerned about religious and traditions, I have my reasons to serve a church that aligns with the will of the lord. Maybe you dont agree to some churches but you cant assume how I walk out my faith with him doesnt work because it's not catholic origin.
@@tamou_whanau1441 I am concerned with following (both in spirit and in letter) the teachings and commands of Christ, which form the deposit of Fatih in His Church.
As a non-denom protestant who has been living in a foreign country for the past 6 months, I agree so much with this. After needing a translator for all the sermons here, I was excited to go back home for Christmas and worship in my own language with the body of Christ at my home church. However, when I went to Christmas Eve service, we sang one song together, were told to take a seat, then sat and listened to several performances and a short sermon. I was incredibly disappointed. I've been looking into Orthodoxy for a while now and this has at the very least made up my mind to leave Protestantism.
I would recommend looking into erick ybarra and ben Bollinger (the latter was a protestant who became EO and ultimately ended up Catholic) for more information on the orthodox vs Catholic dialogue
The lack of reverence in the protestant services never convinced me before I believed even though I really wanted to. Im orthodox now. No offense to anyone but my experience is that the catholic service was identical to the episcopal one. Look up Orthodox Kyle on the RC vs EO question too.
I would suggest that, while you look into Orthodoxy, that you also look into the Catholic Church. It is the church established by Our Lord in Matthew 16:18-19 on the rock of Saint Peter. It is the church that has remained united as "one" for two thousand years, as He prayed that we would, three times n John 17 to His Father before He went to the Garden of Gethesamane.
I'm an RC Christian who would be happy if you went either RC or EO, because you'd be getting the Sacraments either way.
I do think the RC church has the fullness of truth, but, again...sacraments!! More Jesus!
@pogodonuts
My biggest argument against any Christian sect outside of the Catholic Church, including Orthodoxy, is that you can't find any other Christian denomination that is so well established around the entire world like Catholicism.
You might find 1 or 2 "Christian" churches of any non/denomination within any given city in any country in the world but I guarantee you'll find twice as many Catholic churches.
And the services you experience within them have the exact same elements, that even if you hear Mass in another language you know exactly why you're there and which part of the service it is.
“Why don’t evangelicals longing for more reverent liturgy and a higher view of the sacraments go to classical Protestant denominations?” Your answer is on point, at least for me. I became a Lutheran for 2 years, but I struggled with answering “why Lutheran and not Anglican, Catholic, or Orthodox?” Answering that question moved me to Catholicism.
Lutheran because it doesn’t believe it’s the only true church, believes in salvation by faith alone, and many other historical Christian beliefs
@@ghostlyyt9167 The point about Lutheran not believing it is the only true church seems odd. This doesn't really provide evidence that the Lutheran church is valid or the truth. In fact, one would expect that the True Church would call herself just that, the True Church.
Why Rome and not EO?
@@SilverioFamilyforChrist Because they they dont have that imperialist Roman mindset that all non-Romans are damned.
@@SilverioFamilyforChrist Lutherans recognize all branches of Christianity to be part of the one true church, whether they're Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox. They don't shy away from calling themselves the one true church, they simply recognize that other denominations are likewise members of the faith - something that, historically, Catholics and Orthodox refused to do. Gavin Ortlund explains this concisely in his video "The 5 Minute Case for Protestantism".
Son, grandson, nephew and cousin of sincere and faithful Baptist Pastors, I became a Catholic when I started reading the Church Fathers on topics such as the Eucharist, Baptism, the biblical canon, the unity of the Church, tradition, Apostolic authority and succession, the Papacy, Mary and the communion of Saints. There I stood, I could do no other. I wish I had done it much earlier in life...
I was Roman Catholic but reading the Church Fathers on topics such as; the Eucharist, Baptism, the biblical canon, the unity of the Church, tradition, Apostolic authority and the papacy, the Holy Theotokos (not 'Mary', please) and the communion of Saints, I HAD to become Orthodox. Here I now stand, I can do no other. I wish I had done it much earlier in life... ☦☦☦
Exactly the same for me regarding being a faithful Baptist and beginning to study Church Fathers, etc. It took me 6.5 years of diligent study, but I came into The Church at 63 years old, and I know that feeling of wishing that I had done it much earlier.
@@marcokite Said no one intellectually honest, ever. But nice try being a liar.
How late have I loved thee...
St. Augustine
You should call the Holy Spirit instead of your own Brain to find out what us true.
I am a born again Christian, a child of God, follower of Christ and a protestant - and I can testify with my own blood that I'm in the church God wants me to be !
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So you're planning on converting to the RCC? Welcome home, brother.
@kdmdlo
Love Catholics - but do I HAVE to be a Catholic myself ? Nah...
@ Well, you're right. You don't have to do anything. But is it a good idea to remain outside of the Church He founded ... opting to stay in a church founded by some man (e.,g. Lutheranism, Calvinism, etc.)?
@kdmdlothis is the ongoing false claim. The RCC is not the Church that Jesus founded.
The Church is the sum of all Christ followers not any particular earthly institution .
@@jeremymead8546 Well, that may be how you see it ... but that's neither a biblical view of it nor is it the perspective of the early Church fathers. But you're free to use whatever definition you want, I suppose.
The kind of worship did it for me, I should be a member of the one true church this Easter, God willing 🙏
Praise God!
The true church is the body of Christ
@ exactly!
Welcome home! God bless you bro/sis 🙏
Why I WOULD NOT BE A CATHOLIC
#1---NO Bible verse that says the Sabbath was changed to Sunday.
#2--NO BIBLE verse that says God changes.
#3---NO bible verse that says Jesus changes.
#4---NO bible verse that says Jesus prayed to Mary.
#5---NO bible verse that says Jesus taught such a thing.
#6--NO bible verse thats says Mary is a mediator/ intercessor.
#7--NO Bible verse that says/implies Mary is in heaven
#8-NO BIBLE verse that says Jesus taught that.
#9---NO BIBLE verse thats says there is a church named Catholic.
#10--NO bible verse that says Peter was named Pope.
#11--NO bible verse that says we go to heaven at death.
#12--NO Bible verse that says the dead can hear our prayers.
#13--NO Bible verse that says the dead can answer our prayers.
#14- NO Bible verse that says Mary ever used/prayed to beads.
#15--NO Bible verse that says we are to pray to Mary.
#16- NO bible verse that says the disciples worshiped on Sunday.
#17- NO bible verse that says God sanctified the first day of the week.
#18--NO Bible verse that says GOD RESTED on the first day of the week.
#19-NO bibl;e verse that says GOD Blessed the first day of the week.
#20-NO bible verse that says GOD gave a name to the first day of the week.
#21--NO bible verse that says GOD declared the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY.
#22---NO bible verse that says infants to be baptised.
#23--NO bible verse that says a mere man is head of God's church.
#24-- NO bible verse that says Mary claimed to have remained a virgin.
#25--No bible verse that says Mary claimed to be sinless.
#26- NO bible verse that says Mary was "assumed into heaven.
#27- NO bible verse that says Mary had no other children..
#28-NO bible verse that says we are to pray to images of Mary.
#29-NO Catholic will answer my questions about Catholicism!!!
#30---NO Catholic obeys Peter Their first pope.
Acts 5:29 KJV -
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Along with this:
The Bible says in 2 Peter 3:15, “always be ready to give a defense of the faith that is in you.”
This is Trent at his peak, not getting bogged down with Tim Gordon or TLM debates, just helping Protestants come home. You love to see it.
I'm Orthodox, but this video is spectacular. I'm sharing it everywhere I can.
Thanks Trent
Time for Orthodoxy! ☦☦☦
A Catholic Mass is like being invited to The Last Supper with Jesus & His apostles. Jesus said the first Mass & told them to continue it until He returns. When the Priest blesses the bread & wine, they transform into The Body & Blood of Jesus Christ; it’s The Transubstantiation. Receiving Jesus in Holy Communion is the most beautiful, powerful & intimate union we can have with Him while on earth. We truly become one with Him. 1Cor11:23-29,Jn 6:51-59
We aren't supposed to go to Mass to be entertained, we go to Mass to Worship our God, to hear His Word and most of all to receive Him into our body, to make us one with Him.
One of the best arguments for the Catholic mass I’ve ever heard.
I’m going through classes right now,I was baptist my whole life and always felt drawn to the Catholic Church, I will be confirmed this March.
Welcome home !
Welcome and God bless you, sir!
Drawn to the Catholic Church and not Jesus?
@@happyappy19931 Those who are drawn to Christ naturally want to be part of His family. It really is that simple.
@@happyappy19931 The Catholic Church is The Church Started by Jesus, that's why hes drawn to the Church.
This was explained beautifully Glory to Jesus Christ! Thank you Trent for all you do❤ May God continue to bless you abunduntly
Thank you for this video, Trent - best I've seen. It encapsulates everything I've experienced as a Catholic who has also worshipped in evangelical churches and come to understand the centrality of sacrifice as/in worship in the past couple of years. Love the Mass - worshipping Jesus as he wants to be worshipped.
As a Protestant, I have found that Catholic Churches are very similar from church to church, but Protestant churches range greatly. I am a baptist and have found a church that I think is very good and shares the word of God very well. While I don’t agree with some Catholic teachings, they do have a stronger church system throughout. But there are still some great Protestant churches around.
After reading some comments, I have realized that many people don’t like baptist churches, and they have a good reason to think that. Baptist churches are very loose on their rules and teachings, so they may vary greatly from church to church. That is why it is hard to understand Protestantism off of just one or two churches.
Yes, I do believe that a lot of Protestant churches are suffering from luke-warm Christianity, but that doesn’t mean that all are. There are still some out there that greatly share the word of God and make worship meaningful and impactful.
I was a Baptist and you are right. Baptist churches vary from traditional Baptist to quasi Pentecostal. However, it was the "everybody has to be happy" and "you are meant to be blessed" that drove me away from the Evangelical and Protestantism as whole.
Catholics have what is called the universal church. This means the mass is the same in every church. The readings are the same as well as the mass order.
You may see subtle differences, but the core mass is the same.
If we can use the analogy of the military, what keeps it intact is having an appropriate command and control center at every level (chain of command), logistics, lines of communication, uniformity of military doctrine and discipline. Some of these things are lacking in many Protestant churches.
@@litink120 read Steve ray crossing the tiber great book
If anything, I’ve met far more lukewarm Catholics IRL than Protestants.
I am a cradle Catholic who was attending a Mega Church. I got disgusted with the lack of reverant prayer, lack of communion, and that I knew how my pastor was voting, but felt no worth as a woman... well, less worth. Catholicism called me back and I feel closer to Jesus Christ through prayer and Eucharist.
Protestant here who would never attend a mega church.
As an Anglican chaplain, I recently listened to a Catholic telling me how difficult she found the Catholic approach to women and to women’s ministry, which made her feel of lesser worth. No church is perfect.
Mega churches are the height of heresy
@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 personally, I think Catholicism is more supportive of women due to their reverence for Mary. Can you imagine the outrage if the Protestant Reformation happened today, and someone dared suggest to “remove all statues and reverence of Mary, delete Mary from the Rosary, etc.)
@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 One is truth and one is misperception. Protestants blow smoke up women's backsides. Catholics follow Christ.
I went to Mass today and was thinking about worship as you described it. It helped me participate in the sacrifice of Christ made represent to the Father. Thanks, Trent.
What about the sacrifice the Father made to us?
Saying Luther denied "the bread and the wine become the actual body and blood of Christ" is confusing and could lead the uninformed to think Luther took a memorialist view of the Eucharist, which he most certainly did not. You can deny the RC teaching of transubstantiation (that the bread and the wine completely transform into the body and blood of Christ) while still affirming the Sacramental Union, in other words, that the real, physical body and blood of Christ are present in, with, and under the bread and wine in a mysterious way that we don't need to try to explain using Aristotelian metaphysics.
Fair point. Trent could have nuanced that. But he is literally right - as the verb "become" implies "change". As even you note, Lutherans teach there is a sense in which the bread doesn't "change" -it is just that Christs body is also there in , with and under the bread in an analogy to the hypostatic union of Christ's divine and human nature ('sacramental union). I never understood why Luther thought it was so necessary to deny transubstantiation - it was as good as his explanation and yes transubstantiation still leaves it as an ultimate mystery. I am an ex-Lutheran.
@@toddvoss52 correct. I'm a new Lutheran myself and still learning, but my understanding is that Luther believed all 4 are present at the same time: the bread, the wine, the Body, and the Blood. This is based on verses like 1 Cor. 10:16 where Paul refers to both bread and Body. I can't recall any scripture that would indicate the essence of the bread and wine cease to exist. Maybe you know of something?
The explanation I've heard is that when Jesus says "this is my Body, this is my Blood" we say "okay," believe His words are true, and leave it at that. There is no need to explain how it happens beyond what scripture indicates.
Again, I'm new to this and still learning, but was there a belief in Christendom that the bread and wine cease to exist prior to the 11th or 12th centuries? Did the early church fathers, for example, say anything that would indicate they believed the elements actually transform?
@@pelargir1 I don't know how far into this you want to get and I also don't want to write a super long response. But I'll be as succinct as I can be. First of all, we don't believe that the elements of bread and wine are "annihilated" or turned into nothingness and then the body and blood independently are confected. Rather they are "changed" into Christ's Body and Blood. And they are changed "substantially". As you know, we believe the "accidents remain" (and they are necessary for the Catholic Eucharist - if they are "ruined" by say pouring bleach into the post consecration "species" then Christ's blood is no longer substantially present. I won't go off any deeper into this but I note that many Protestants and even Catholics don't realize this).
So the Father's are not going to be ultra precise. But what we frequently do see is language of a "changed into" or "becomes" which is consistent with our doctrine and arguably fits better than the idea that the bread and wine aren't "changed" but just that Christ's Body and Blood become present with , under and in the bread and wine (you can probably shoehorn your way into a "change" in the bread and wine but strangely Lutherans don't usually make that argument. But again, seems a bit more forced to me). So I am going to quote you Early Fathers who spoke most strongly in terms of the bread and wine being "changed into" or "becoming" the Body and Blood.
St. Athanasius: "So long as prayers of supplication and entreaties have not been made, there is only bread and wine. But after the great and wonderful prayers have been completed, then the bread has BECOME the Body, and the wine the Blood of our Lord Jesus..." from Fragmentum apud Eutychium, found in Dennis Billy , The Beauty of the Eucharist : Voices from the Church Fathers(Hyde Park, NY New City Press, 2010), page 250.
St. Cyril of Jerusalem: "By his own power on a previous occasion he turned the water into wine at Cana in Galilee; so it is surely credible that he has CHANGED wine into Blood." Mystagogic Catecheses 4.1-2. (Yarnold translation from Awe-Inspiring Rites). You can also find this on New Advent or other online compilations of the Post Nicene Fathers.
St. Ambrose: "Yes before the sacramental words are uttered this bread is nothing but bread. But at he consecration this bread BECOMES the body of Christ...So now you have learnt that the bread BECOMES the body of Christ, and that, though wine and water are poured into the chalice, through the consecration effected by the heavenly Word, it BECOMES his blood...But when the words of Christ have done their work, it BECOMES the blood of Christ which has redeemed the people. So you can see the ways in which the word of Christ is powerful enough to CHANGE all things.
Excerpts from De Sacramentis 4.14-23. (Yarnold translation from Awe-Inspiring Rites). This is not De Mysteriis. So not on New Advent. But you can probably find online. It is definitely available on Logos software( I have it). The universal consensus since the 1930's is that De Sacramentis is by Ambrose. Older texts from before the late 1930's online at the internet archive etc will say unknown author.
St. Augustine: "what you can see here, dearly beloved, on the table of the Lord is bread and wine; but this bread and wine, when the Word is applied to it, BECOMES the body and blood of the Word." Sermon 227 Preached to the Neophytes on Easter n AD 414-415, trans. Edmund Hill, in "Sermons (184-229Z) on the Liturgical Seasons" , WSA, pt III(Homilies), vol. 6 (New City Press, 1993), page 254.
I can add some more. For example Cyril of Alexandria says in his commentary on the words of institution in Luke 22:19-20 says: "He TRANSFORMS them [the bread and the wine] into the effectiveness of His flesh, that we might have them for a life-giving participation." That translation is from the IVP's Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture.
Again, this is not some knockdown proof of Transubstantiation from the Fathers but it is all very consistent with it. And more consistent in my view than with the Lutheran view. By the way, the EO's may not prefer to use the Aristotelian terms of "substance" and "accident" and tend to dislike the term transubstantiation but they also confess a change in the elements. In fact they have used a greek word that very much means the same thing in the Confession of Dositheus from the pan orthodox Council of Jerusalem. So they explain it somewhat "less" but are essentially of the same view as us. We also believe it is ultimately a mystery just like EO and just like Lutherans.
No you can't and you don't get to make that decision.
i feel so happy when trent talks about catholic and orthodox.thanks man.
This is such a good timing video. My little sister said their pastor talked about how important it is to worship outside of just church (which is good on its face) but when I asked her what her pastor said worship was she didn’t know and then finally said he said it was praying.
There was an exchange between Michael Knowles and Charlie Kirk on Catholicism vs Protestantism. I think Michael did a poor job in all honesty and I think I speak for many when I say I'd love to see a review of it so you can better articulate the Catholic view
I don't think there's much to be learned from a non-apologist debating a non-apologist. I like both them gentlemen quite a lot, although I prefer Michael for his style but also for the fact he's Catholic. That doesn't mean he's able to have such debates. To be fair, neither is Kirk, but maybe he's slightly better off when facing each other.
They're great at debunking atheists and otherwise theologically clueless people, but since that ain't their expertise field, they'll both reach their limits at pretty much the slightest push back.
Yeah that was a hard watch.. hope Trent responds
I totally agree with you. However I would like to say that I believe that Charlie caught Michael totally off guard. Michael usually does a good job. Also Charlie was prepared for blood and Michael was trying to have a friendly exchange.
Knowles’ solution to Kirk’s qualms with the Pope to just essentially not listen to him was so hand-wavey it made me cringe. Though, to be fair, all the points y’all are making about Knowles being much more amicable than Kirk, being caught off guard, etc. all played a factor.
I hope every Catholic Christian understands how Kirk’s special brand of antiCatholic hatred is cultivated in his fake 16th century church. His insanity is part of the evangelical culture. It’s a package deal go straight to heaven by spreading hate for Catholics.
Where there is no sacrifice, there is no love and thus no worship
I went to a Baptist church as a teen. They did the Lord’s Supper maybe once a year, and then if you had any sun unresolved you weren’t supposed to take it. There would be sermons about repenting and asking forgiveness. So I was like 16, and I had angry feelings against church women in their 40s who wrongly bad talked me publicly and made up stuff about me (I was a bus kid) and I went to apologize to them for being angry. They accepted the apology and didn’t apologize or repent and took the Lord’s Supper. I was stunned.
I grew up Baptist. I understand your comment. Baptists are their own worst enemy.
Now not to discourage you, but there are sinners on Catholic Church as well, not everyone actually is a convert by heart.
What do you mean? We're all sinners!@@bruno-bnvm
You repented, You are forgiven.. though going to confession is a terrifying experience it is, in the long run, the best thing ever. no details needed no blame, no explaining. just heartfelt sorrow ...Oh my God I am heartiy sorry for having offended thee and I detest all my sins for the lose of heaven and the pains of hell......
@@bruno-bnvm I know, and thank you. My comment was in reference to something Trent said about The Sacrament given in Protestant churches and it reminded me of my experience, how they made it into a thing where you had to publicly repent and yet most didn’t.
Love the video Trent! Ima huge fan and you are a big reason i became Catholic so thank you.
This was an amazing video! Thank you so much for putting it out
Thank you for including both branches of the Church - Roman and Eastern Orthodox. I was raise a Protestant - but was Confirmed a Roman Catholic 2001. Protestants focus on a good sermon and the pastor.
Trent thank you for what you and others do. Your podcast played no small part in me moving to full communion with the Catholic Church and confirmation this Easter.
I remember Joe Heschmeyer’s video on this topic quite some time ago. Very powerful!
I was a Protestant at the time and felt so exposed watching that. Joe really does not get enough credit. He's like a surgeon meticulously cutting down all your Protestant traditions
yeah, Joe Heschmeyer is very good.
A more reverent liturgy was probably the single biggest thing that yanked me from my lukewarm Catholicism. Since then I’ve attended more liberal masses over the years that, if comparable to Protestant services make me pity them greatly. They really have no idea about the richness and beauty they’re missing out on.
I can only speak for myself, as a non denominational believer but I find extreme richness and beauty as I commune one on one with God. I don’t “need” communion or mass to connect deeply with my savior. No need at all for pity friend :)
In the liturgy we chant, "a mercy of peace, a sacrifice of praise." This is Jesus Christ. We offer up to God the lowly work of our hands in the form of bread and wine, and God transforms this into His own work of the incarnation, the cross and the resurrection, His own body and blood, and offers Himself back, graciously to us, though we are unworthy, transforming us.
"For as the bread, which is produced from the earth, when it receives the invocation of God, is no longer common bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly; so also our bodies, when they receive the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, having the hope of the resurrection to eternity." - St. Irenaeus
As a Lutheran, I agree that the "concert and a TED talk" approach to worship is something that many attendees of evangelical churches eventually find to be quite empty and unfulfilling. However, I can't agree with the notion that in the sacrament of holy communion we are offering more than our praise and thanksgiving to God. God is offering us the body and blood of the once sacrificed Jesus, and we participate by receiving this sacrifice, just as the disciples participated in the last supper by receiving from Christ when He said take and eat, this is my body, drink, this is my blood. How can we offer God's sacrifice for us back to God? How can we offer God back to God?
Trent's line of argumentation comes across as extremely duplicitous. He claims Protestants can't possibly be worshiping without making sacrifice like the Romans do in the sacrifice of the mass. But when Papists are confronted with Hebrews 10:10 they are quite adamant that it is merely a re-presentation and not a re-sacrifice (something Trent repeatedly states in the video). By their own logic, if it is merely a re-presentation, then they aren't actually making a sacrifice, and therefore not actually worshiping.
@@M00Z1LLA If I remember correctly, on occasions when I have attended a Roman Catholic mass with friends or family, I believe that there was a prayer asking God to "accept our sacrifice." What, exactly, is this sacrifice of ours that we are asking God to accept? Also, when my Roman Catholic grandmother died some of her friends sent mass cards stating that "the sacrifice of the mass is being offered ..." I guess I'm confused about exactly what the sacrifice is that we are offering to God.
This ultimately comes down to the fact that we can't possibly offer to God what He is due, as Trent stated. The closest we can get is by gathering the whole Body of Christ together to offer praises and show devotion to God. The Eucharistic prayers reflect our desire to fulfill God's command to eat and drink His body and blood (John 6) so we offer (sacrifice) the elements of bread and wine back to Him. Then we become imitators of Christ (Eph 5) as our bodies become His home (John 17) and we ourselves receive the sacrifice for Him. Hope this helps
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So if I'm understanding you correctly, the "sacrifice" is nothing more than providing bread and wine for consecration (which is actually a weaker connection to sacrifice than the Lutheran understanding). If so, Trent is basically saying the essence of worship is providing unconsecrated bread and wine. How exactly does that invalidate Protestant worship? The only way I can see that being argued is via the Roman denial of Protestant ordination, but that's clearly not the argument Trent makes. The only way Tent's argument makes sense is if a Roman priest's work does in fact constitute a sacrifice. However that runs contrary to Rome's own explanation of Hebrews 10:10. So which is it? Does Rome contradict Hebrews 10:10 and re-sacrifice, or is Trent's argument wrong?
@@sarco64You cannot offer, because you have neither Apostolic Succession nor validly ordained Priesthood.
Orthodox Christian here. Very good video. Just wanted to add that when Christ says in John chapter 6, “unless ye eat my body and drink my blood, ye have no life in me,” this was not a symbol or parable. The apostles had already been given the grace to understand parables, and they didn’t see this as a parable at all. They didn’t ask him for a deeper meaning. They understood that he meant it as he said it. This is why, in verse 66, many leave him. The saying was hard, and they couldn’t accept it. It’s no wonder then, that so many people struggle with it today as well.
In fairness, see v35, and 63.
"I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."
"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing."
I'm a Protestant who holds to the Lutheran view of communion which is very, very similar to yours. But John 6 is not the slam dunk you think it is.
@@samlawhorn Jesus is also reported to have said “I am the door”. Does that mean he was made of cellulose?
@@InspironGantry Jesus is being metaphorical when He literally calls Himself "the bread of life". But then, He goes on to explain that since He is metaphorically the bread of life, He will give them His literal (no longer metaphorical) flesh to eat; hence "eat my flesh", "my flesh is real food", "whoever eats my flesh has eternal life". When He says the Spirit gives life, He is not simply saying that His words are metaphorical, but that the life giving part of Eucharist is Spiritual. It is not just flesh, but the flesh of our High Priest, the blood poured out for the forgiveness of sins.
@@InspironGantry If "the flesh counts for nothing" were about the same Flesh that Jesus told us to eat to have life, He would contradict Himself. The flesh in general indeed counts for nothing - but His Flesh is the food of eternal life.
@@JS_Guitar09Tell me what you think v35 means.
I was raised an evangelical and converted when I was 17. After I’d come home from Mass my mom would ask me about the homily. One day I had to point out that Catholics don’t go to Mass to hear preaching-there are other avenues for that-but rather we go to Mass to worship God.
Oh dear, I bet that response left her clutching her pearls. You're absolutely correct, but that's a harsh reality a lot of evangelicals are not willing to consider.
I really appreciate that you explain the meaning and history of the word worship. And that you do it frequently.
Thinking and open minded Protestants realize that the letters of Ignatius of Antioch, of Clement, and the works of Justin are thoroughly Catholic
Yes, in the same sense that the orthodox is part of the catholic church.
I was watching Matt Fradd talk about how it can be overwhelming to become Catholic with all the info out there. Could you make a comprehensive guide to becoming Catholic? I think it would be helpful for those wanting to convert.
There's already a trainging program for becoming Catholic, it's called RCIA or OCIA (depending on where you live).
Trent Horns book "Why we're Catholic" is perfect for what you are looking for
Just go to to your local Catholic church, I'm sure they're happy to help
@@antodiyo7523 Just to be clear, I'm Catholic 😅 but i think some people could benefit from even being told to go to RCIA. They need like 7 easy steps to take, and they can get more info as they progress.
I think Erick Ybarra also wrote a blog post on this topic after his debate with Ubi Petrus. I think you should also give it a read. It's not exhaustive but it starts somewhere.
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Trent began talking about the Eucharist. I think the pandemic exposed the Protestant worship problem. Protestants had issues bringing people back to church. On the other hand, Catholics/Orthodox were more successful because of the Eucharist.
Removing the altar and not believing in the literal presence of the Eucharist will take a massive hit on worship.
You mean specifically American Baptist/non denom culture, stop using Protestant like it’s one unform system
that and saying the only thing you need for salvation is to profess that Jesus is your personal Lord and Savior. why should i go to church if that is all salvation takes? do not be like the five foolish virgins; gaurd your oil reserves so when the bridegroom comes to take you to the wedding feast you will be ready.
There's no need for an altar. Our Lord didn't use an altar. And remember a church is not the building. You bet the Lord would be telling folks now to sell the fancy buildings and give the money to the poor. Church is the people. They can gather in hired function rooms to worship and re-enact the Lord's supper.
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Unless you can say most Protestants believe in the literal presence (not spiritual presence) of Jesus in the form of bread, I will keep saying most Protestants. I do think Protestants' belief in the Eucharist has a negative effect on their worship.
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I do believe most Protestants don't believe in the literal presence (not the spiritual presence of the Eucharist unless you can prove it otherwise. Even traditional Protestants don't believe in the literal presence.
This is the reason why TLM is so important and why the youth is attracted to it!
I’m Lutheran. We have a very traditional liturgy and sing hymns. It’s not a rock concert. It’s honoring God and not about us. Lumping all Protestants together isn’t accurate. Thank you for noting the evangelical/protestant difference.
Ex LCMS here- Orthodox for nine years. While the LCMS trad liturgy is more reverent, it won’t last. My former LCMS church went to the concert/TED talk format; on more than one of my visits there post conversion (my wife remains LCMS) the Gospel was not even read. Some decent musicians and a couple good singers (mostly paid non members) but not quite reverent, IMO. The parishioners often bring coffee into the church during worship, and even (not seeing eye) dogs. I’ve seen people wearing cowboy hats, and other weird garb in the church (the sanctuary, not the narthex). Sad.
@ hi! I’m LCMS (lifelong), and thankfully my church is not moving in the modern direction. Other LCMS churches I’ve gone to did eventually, as you said. My brother and his family are actually Orthodox now. I love the Lutheran church, but I appreciate many elements of the orthodox and Catholic churches, too.
I recently started my journey to Eastern Orthodox, but Trent is probably one of my favorite apologists, his voice is a really nice one to have playing in the background.
I'm Orthodox, too. Definitely don't agree with everything he says but this one is a banger.
Ready to become and EO catechumen myself, but I too have found Trent Horn helpful in the areas we do agree on.
This is a good step. You'll find your way home eventually!
@@padraicbrown6718Yeah, home to Orthodoxy for sure. 👍
Do you know Fr Paul Truebenbach? He’s the reason I chose EO over RC. He has a great UA-cam channel.
I've recently listened to John Burke on the Glenn Beck podcast. John Burke (former agnostic Engineer, turned Pastor) interviews people that have been through near death experiences (NDEs). I've seen several of the testimonies of the folks he's interviewed and they all have similar stories. One thing I've noticed is the ones that I have seen revolve around the "ALL encompassing love" Jesus, God the Father have for everyone of us.
Another thing I noticed is of those that were atheists/agnostics, Buddhist, Jewish pre-NDE, returned speaking of the love of Jesus Christ. None of their stories mention, sacraments or any other "earthly" rules that needed to be followed once they were allowed to return to earth.
I've been on a "return to Jesus" journey this last year and I thank Trent (and Joe Heschmeyer) for his knowledge and great way of breaking the bible down for me to understand. But sometimes I can't help but feel that the anti-Protestantism that goes on in Trent's comment section sounds a lot like the Pharisees did when Jesus spoke out against religion and the keeping of the laws of the Torah.
I know this is long and I hope I don't get beat up too much by this comment but I love my fellow man and pray the best for everyone. God bless 🙏
Meaning no disrespect, but Jesus literally said that he came to fulfill the Law, and also that not one dot of the law would pass away. His criticisms of the pharisees were more to do with interpretations of parts of the law, even then, Jesus said that we should do as they say, but not as they do, hardly anti-religion or anti Torah
@@stananders2333 Jesus gave several key commands:
-Love God (Matthew 22:37-38)
-Love your neighbor (Matthew 22:39)
-Repent and believe the gospel (Mark 1:15)
-Follow Him (Matthew 4:19)
-Make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19-20)
-Love one another (John 13:34-35)
-Forgive Others (Matthew 6:14-15)
-Pray (Matthew 6:9-13)
-Take up your cross and follow Him (Matthew 6:14:15)
-Seek first the Kingdom of God (Matthew 6:33)
These commands center on loving God and others, following Jesus, sharing the gospel, and living a life of prayer, forgiveness and sacrifice.
Seems to me that many of Trent's commenters look down on non-Catholic Christians. I just wonder what Jesus would say about that. Would he also condemn these non-Catholics for not following the One True Church (according to Catholic History)? I sincerely believe that most Jesus-loving non-Catholics are just trying their best, to be the best they can be while on earth. God Bless. 🙏
Jesus actually came to establish a church, a religion, if you will, where we would worship God in spirit and in truth. His ire at the Pharisees had more to do with their pretense and show of religion and confessing God as their Father, honoring him with their lips, while their hearts were far from him. We don't know what Jesus tells those who have had near death experiences. We do know what he told his apostles who were the foundation of the early church. "Do this in memory of me" with respect to communion/Eucharist is a bad translation. It doesn't convey the meaning as a first century Jew would have understood it-that it was the fulfillment of the Passover Supper sacrifice. I have Protestant friends who love God more and who are true vessels of his love than many Catholics of my own denomination. There are just critiques both ways. I know Catholics who are also amazing and true vessels of God's love, truth, and mercy. There are ppl who desperately need to understand God's love for them, similar to the woman at the well. When we fully understand his love, we understand that his laws, commandments, and sacraments are an expression of that love.
@@susanhenderson3369 Thank you for that Susan. I encourage you to watch/listen to any number of NDE testimonies. There are several on UA-cam. What I find surprising are the ones that encounter Jesus, where on earth they wanted nothing to do with him. I’ve seen a Jew and a Muslim have encounters with Jesus and convert to Christianity. I have also seen some Catholics with NDEs that encountered the blessed Mary. What I find surprising about the converts to Christianity are that the message they have received from the “other side” is to LOVE.
What I often find on Trent’s comments are Catholics “dunking“ on these poor uneducated Protestants that need to find the TRUE Church. I believe God knows our hearts and I know when I’m in my Protestant Church that the Holy Spirit is moving through the congregation when we are praising Jesus. When I speak to my Catholic friends it’s as if they pity me for not being Catholic. I just wonder if God willing I get to heaven if Jesus will be disappointed in me because I didn’t do the sacraments the way Catholics say I should.
@CommonSense624 I don't believe God is disappointed in us if we are doing the best to live by our beliefs if we truly believe in their veracity. God definitely knows the heart and it is why as humans we cannot judge someone's state of soul. The Holy Spirit cannot be put in a box. He will find His way to all hearts that seek truth no matter where they might be. If God had more for you in mind, "I have come that you might have life to the fullest," then if he intended to impart his grace to us through sacraments, then it might be something worth looking into. Gaining information can never hurt you. It can only allow you to make even more informed decisions about worship and your life in Christ. A low risk way to explore what Catholics teach about scripture, the Church etc. would be to google catholic radio and listen in. You may find that it resonates with you. Or not. But it will certainly be thought provoking to dive deeper into faith. I find the more discoveries I make about the meanings of scripture within it's historical context etc., the more I am in awe of God and his plan to save us.
Our Protestant church is seeing so many Catholics finding Jesus this past year!! Praise God!!!
Uninformed Catholics
@@kevincaan2862 Those are the ignorant ones searching for Satan, the Master liar.
Same.
no Catholic Church’s sex scandals, wealth, anti women and homophobic beliefs have driven people away. @@LazarusVonoai-xr1yl
Pentecost Truth matters, not
self convenience and 1517 AD sentiments.
I understand some churches having “concert” atmosphere for worship but there are still many churches that have a genuine fear of the Lord and revere Him in worship with an attitude of humbleness and adoration to the King of kings seeking to be holy as He is holy not only in our position (children of God) but also in our actions (1 Peter 1).
As an ignorant, cradle catholic, can you give an example (maybe a video) of what this reverent worship would look like?
@ I’m not a catholic. I’m a disciple of Jesus Christ. My church for one has a worship environment where we let the spirit of God move. People have been healed completely from cancers and some have walked that were in wheelchairs. Worship is to be to God not a show. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
@@Spiritual_Sword you could've just said you didn't have an example...
@@cristianguerra1617 read the book Awe of God by John Bevere. That should suffice. those who have ears to hear, let them hear. God bless. 😊🙏✝️
@@Spiritual_Sword you could've started there. Thank you
I'm an Anglican. This video is well argued and well done over all. I don't agree with everything, but this is an important video for Protestants to watch and consider.
If you are a "high" Anglican most prots in America would consider you way too catholic. Crazy, isn't it?
“Kinda cheap concert with a Ted Talk”. SO MUCH YES. As a current Protestant I felt that.
Many great points brought up in this video as always, Trent. I attend a non-denominational church in my area because it is the best option, as all of the other mainline churches have been uprooted by progressivism, but I must admit that my personal theology is much closer to Catholicism than Reformed Baptist (I would consider myself Anglican in theology).
I nearly left towards the end of the previous summer because I found a Presbyterian church and was enthralled by the liturgy, but stayed closer to home. And, you're completely right. Worship in the non-denominational setting is very tough for me to really get into, as it really does kind of feel more like "what has God done for me" rather than "let's give God all of our sacrifices and honors". This is a stark difference compared to the Anglican parish I attended on Christmas Eve, which had the presentation of Communion and sang out of a hymnal, as well as the utilization of the Book of Common Prayer.
I think if you're a classical protestant, it's very difficult to attend non-denom's/mega churches and find them appealing in a liturgical sense (or lack thereof). The reception of Communion once a month (maybe), the view of Communion as merely a symbol, the songs which do not really have a historical root within the church and just feel empty, all combine to create an experience that at least to me, feels hollow.
However, I cannot say that I agree with Zoomer when he claims that non-denominationalism is dying. As a matter of fact, it's probably going to carry the torch for "protestantism" (it pains me to call it that because it's not rooted in the reformation; if you don't baptize babies, you very likely can't call yourself reformed) for quite some time because it's ability to outreach to others and cater to a contemporary vibe will keep it in the mainstream.
Much respect to my Catholic friends and to you as well though, Trent. You have helped me in my journey from a low-church theology to now about as high as you can get without being in an ecclesial tradition (Orthodox or Catholic), and have made me a better follower of Christ along the way, and I cannot thank you enough for that.
God bless you all
If you would like to receive the Holy Eucharist. which is the most intimate, amazing experience that one can have with Our Lord, in a Church with direct apostolic succession from the twelve apostles, which can be found in an unbroken line that goes back two thousand years, then I invite you to consider Catholicism with a fair and open mind in a spirit of research.
"A cheap concert with a TED talk."
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Cheap concert, get it right dude
@@mercado4life188 I stand corrected. Thank you.
Beware your parody of the extremes. You have the sedavacantist ....but I'm too charitable to go there.
@@mercado4life188 I stand corrected. Thank you.
Once You SEE this You can only be catholic...thank You Trent...sooo importante to put this so clearly...
Very good presentation. Worthy of thought by all believers. As a young man I found the Christian Church or also called Disciples of Christ. Born on the American frontier, we are autonomous congregations with elders as leaders, who seek the ancient order of things through careful reading of scripture. This made us neither Catholic nor Protestant. We celebrate the weekly symbolic and reverent sacrifice of the Lord's supper -though not exactly as our Catholic brethren do. We expect believers to be baptized for the forgiveness of sins. We confess our sins to God and sometimes through trusted friends. Jesus is our only mediator and high priest. We are crucified with Him and He lives in us by faith. There are still many conservative, God-fearing, sacrificial Christian churches around, although the disciples of Christ is now a liberal denomination. I offer this as an alternative to Catholic legalism and Protestant liberalism.
@@johngriffith6029 We cannot temper with the truth for our convenience. We don't create the truth, and we don't set the truth free. The truth will set us free. What truth? Twisted truths? All over the place truth? No!! It's one truth, one God, forever and ever, AMEN.
Definitely when Jesus is not present in a church no doubt it’s dying. The catholic / orthodox churches have stood the test for 2000 years where it has been passed down through oral and a very rich tradition.
Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
Like praying to Mary and saints, praying to the dead, purgatory etc etc.
@@jomdizon6930 nothing new, little knowledge is dangerous. Do your home work before making false accusations.God bless!
As a Catholic revert who has only been to a protestant service once in recent time ( kind of a long story), I have a hard time calling it church especially after seeing "Pastor" Mike Todd bring a Tesla Cybertruck into his "church"
Almost blurted out "bro wtf" at the last part of your sentence 😂
I wouldn’t generalize all of Protestantism over Mike Todd’s representation of it. Even as a Protestant, it makes me cringe, though I’ve vaguely heard Mike Todd is “unorthodox” to say the least.
I would also say that people come to faith in all sorts of ways. This man’s approach might turn me right off - but might draw a different kind of person to Christ. In the same way, perhaps, one person will take up the clarinet because they fell in love with Mozart, and another because they heard a jazz musician in the street.
are we so inclined to churches and denominations and their way of worship or to Christ!!!!
We can't have icons but they can have a night club rock concert every Sunday 😂
Not all are like tht though, many many aren’t
^^ exactly the evangelical church I have went to has very nice singing Sunday mornings. After seeing the worship in the Catholic Church, and the voices of everyone as one choir just wow! I don’t mind just pulling up some worship music on Spotify if that’s what I’m looking for 😂.
Yet they're not rock concerts.
This assumption needs to stop, yes some are very odd and don’t seem like worship, they’re just singing songs but not all are like that. Some are actually worship. It’s just simple hate to fellow brothers and sisters in Christ and it needs to stop
@@tb8766they use this to make people buy into the cult of Catholicism
Another fantastic Trent Horn video!
I can't believe I watched your video from start to end non stop, you're doing a really great work man, I thank God for your life❤
There isn't anything re-sacrificed in the eucharist, rather the one and only sacrifice that happend at Calvary is distributed.
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From Melkizedk to The Last Super and everything between
Sounds like mental gymnastics.
Why did Jesus say it is finished?
It is re-presented. We need to think how 1st century Jews thought and not how we think today! When Jews (Jesus Christ) said do this in remembrance of me, he was creating a new and everlasting covenant. Covenants for first century, Jews, and for us today are fully binding and must be observed. Let's not forget the apostles were writing as first century Jews, not as 21st century people. Jesus was fulfilling the Old Testament, and not starting a whole new different way of thinking about God, He was including all his children Jew and gentile, and at times correcting and adding to what was already observed.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 Gen. 14:18 - this is the first time that the word “priest” is used in Old Testament. Melchizedek is both a priest and a king and he offers a bread and wine sacrifice to God.
Psalm 76:2 - Melchizedek is the king of Salem. Salem is the future Jeru-salem where Jesus, the eternal priest and king, established his new Kingdom and the Eucharistic sacrifice which He offered under the appearance of bread and wine.Psalm 110:4 - this is the prophecy that Jesus will be the eternal priest and king in the same manner as this mysterious priest Melchizedek. This prophecy requires us to look for an eternal bread and wine sacrifice in the future. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Eucharistic sacrifice of the Catholic Church.
Malachi 1:11 - this is a prophecy of a pure offering that will be offered in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting. Thus, there will be only one sacrifice, but it will be offered in many places around the world. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Catholic Church in the Masses around the world, where the sacrifice of Christ which transcends time and space is offered for our salvation. If this prophecy is not fulfilled by the Catholic Church, then Malachi is a false prophet.
A re presentation not a re sacrifice
That has never been taught by the Church.
It is an invention of anti Catholic and Orthodox
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 It is unfortunate that the Mass uses the word sacrifice then, isn’t it?
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Almost every Christian at the Protestant nondenominational church I go to converted from Catholicism. I am seeing the exact opposite phenomenon.
@@carbon273 Those stubborn, ignorant and low profile Catholics drift off into protestant quicksand.
wow, i am early, Happy new year to Trent and Family.
Keith Nester said in his book, "Catholic Churches get the best Protestants, and Protestant Churches get the worst Catholics."
@@spencermackel7800 Obviously false. Catholics get Protestants who reject the Reformation so they belong back in the RCC. I live in a town with no Catholic church so I don’t know any Catholics.
@@bobinindiana wow, how big is that town? any Orthodox/ancient tradition Church?
@ No. I think it is 30,000.
must be in the Bible belt/south; sure is a small town. How many churches total and count by denominations, plz.
@ Around 25 churches, just normal Protestant denominations. It is sort of a rural farming area. I don’t think there is a bar either.
And when the Eucharist is central, reverential actions become normal: processing, bowing, kneeling, fasting, professing creeds, pronouncing the Lord’s Prayer.
We do all of that in the protestant church.
This is an act of charity. Trent, you’re being charitable by reminding and highlighting us elements of our Faith. May God continues to bless you and your family so that your work may produce more fruits among His flocks. 🙏
I know even the position this video essay takes will stir controversy in the comments, but, as a Protestant, let me say how gentle, true, fair and reasonable this comes across to me. This is well-received and welcome. It is both teaching and a confirmation. Thank you.
Thank you for listening with an open mind and not taking offense. God bless you!
I am non-denominational, but go to a Catholic church. There is something abut the formality of Catholic churches that feels much more sacred. It's refreshing to go to a place where it isn't about me or anyone else that shows up. There is definitely a disconnect in how Christians view the purpose of church. Protestants want community, Catholics want to worship. Protestant churches need people to function, while Catholic churches could run Mass without anyone there. If a church needs people, it will naturally pander to people's needs. It should be a surprise to no one that is this the state of the church, as we are living in, probably, the most self-centered age of American history.
Actually the Catholic mass requires a number of people it's just that they all do their service in the background making Jesus the center of attention.
A former Catholic turned protestant right here!
The Eucharist awaits you when you return. Come home soon.
Come on home, Rooster. You are missed.
Wow! What a beautiful and thorough assessment - Thanks Trent.
At 6:15, it reminds us of the prayer of the Chaplet of Devine Mercy ❤
104k in one day! Keep up the good work Mr Horn!
No you rarely hear Catholics becoming Protestant. I hear it all the time.
Yes but you tend to get those who didn’t understand their faith. We get those who understand Protestantism including numerous pastors
@@commscompany1502 cope
No, like Luther, they read the Bible and see that all of the rituals and obligations are not needed. Jesus paid it all.
@@skatefan9495 And Luther led to thousands of denominations saying different things. Na man. Sticking with the Church Christ founded which also gave you the New Testament. You’re welcome.
@@commscompany1502 Those that follow the Bible say the same thing. Liberal mainline churches have lost their way. The New Testament does not give doctrinal authority to mere men. And God gave it to us..
For a lot of preaching at the Protestant churches when they quote “ every knee shall bow, and every tongue will confess” they really lack kneelers.
Probably the most superficial critique of Protestants I've ever read.
@ this is just an itch in comparison to what’s actually wrong with Protestantism
Thank you for this video. You got it right. God bless us all.
Thank you, Trent, for your video. I agree with most of what you said; as a Traditional Lutheran Pastor, not in one of the main line heretical organizations, the eucharist IS the center and climax of the worship service. I also agree that today's evangelicalism is nothing more than a "Bad rock concert followed by a TED talk." But I think that it's disingenuous to lump true protestants (those who were actually part of the Reformation: Lutheran, Calvin, and Anglican) with all those who came after and can be called evangelical and using these terms interchangeably; they are not and have never been the same thing. There are many similarities between the Roman and Lutheran churches, and there is an ongoing dialogue with both Rome and the World Lutheran Federation, with only the issue of the Eucharist still remaining a dividing point. I would even say that, in many ways, Traditional Confessional Lutherans are closer to Catholicism than the Orthodox church (See the filioque as one of many examples). Again, I thank you for your video, and I will continue to watch and learn.
Oh, you should see how the Lutheran Church has devolved here in Norway. I would probably never have found the Catholic Church, if it hadn't been for the persistent hatred of tradition in the Lutheran Church. At this point, I am surprised if a new bishop is not both female and lesbian. But, I suppose you actually follow Luther, so this criticism is not directed toward you. However, it must be disconcerting to see how almost ALL the old reformed churches are falling into deep, deep heresies. Even if I knew that there were some faithful Lutherans in America, it would not have helped me stay in that tradition - it simply felt too fragile.
I'm an orthodox catechumen end this video was extremely helpful to me in explaining our views because I don't think you said anything in this particular video that wouldn't also applied to orthodox
I adore the reverence in Catholic mass. But, there are many teachings that I simply cannot square with scripture. And I cannot in good conscious join a church I theologically disagree with.
It would be a good opportunity to delve even more deeply in the theology of the Catholic church. It is very rich and you may find something there. There is a lot of good material out there to explore.
You can try the divine uk online mass father Joseph Edattu and many other priest are teaching the Catholic Church teachings which is the Bible I believe all of your doubts will be cleared …from a former Protestant
@@leechrec I'm incredibly aware of the teachings of the Catholic church, am well versed in the catechism, sat through hours and hours of Mass in multiple countries and I come from a Catholic family. It's that I DO know what they teach and I know what's in scripture. Some things, the Catholic church is right about, but others not so much.
@@leechrec I am well versed in what the catholic church teaches. I am well versed in the catechism. I've sat through hundreds of hours of the Mass, in multiple countries and I come from a catholic family. It's actually that I DO know what they teach and how in many things, the teaching of the Catholic church is based on tradition over scripture. While tradition has it's place, it does not and should not take precedent over scripture.
@@FaithImani-xq9ek I'm going to copy/paste my reply to a similiar comment. I am well versed in what the catholic church teaches. I am well versed in the catechism. I've sat through hundreds of hours of the Mass, in multiple countries and I come from a catholic family. It's actually that I DO know what they teach and how in many things, the teaching of the Catholic church is based on tradition over scripture. While tradition has it's place, it does not and should not take precedent over scripture.
As a former catholic I found myself caught up in a memorized routine, going thru the motions. Not once did I believe that salvation came from Jesus’ death but salvation came from a complex web of believing catholic doctrine, doing the rituals, and then having done all that, I was still insure of my salvation, so I had to go to mass at least weekly, confess my sins on Saturday, attend mass & take communion on Sunday, Monday I was all right but coming close to Friday I had accumulated sins that I would go to confession on Saturday, then to mass again on Sunday, this routine did nothing for my peace of mind & one day I just quit!
Then I read the Gospels and I fell in love with Jesus, my prayer life became real and sincere, not running some beads thru my fingers and not even knowing much about what I was saying as the rosary prayers just rolled off me like water off a ducks back. I remember saying the whole rosary and because we said routinely when I would come to the end of the prayer I didn’t remember a thing. Catholics don’t believe in salvation by faith, you got to do all these unscriptural routines, and are still left unsure what will happen if you die. We only had a little snippet of the Bible, almost like slow drip transfusion.
In reality there are only two religions, the one a “do it yourself, ten easy ways to salvation”, similar to Buddhism , Hinduism, Muslims where you have to “earn” your salvation thru works & the other religion, “God alone can save you kind” utter dependence on a saviour. The first goes straight to hell as it depends on your goodness or how smart or connected you are and then you think, “well if I’m good, and can do it myself, well I don’t need God, and so they get off on all those “good” works making them actually self righteous, meaning their righteousness is by their works, making them better than others. Jesus said “some will say Lord I did this in your name and I said that in your name and His response, get away from me I don’t know you.
I would suggest Catholics to read the Bible, start with the Gospel John, there you will get to know Jesus and what He said & what he did. Throw off the yoke of bondage to an institution that is leading people to hell.
As for those of you who “feel” the spirit, well feelings are not faith. Feelings come and go but the facts (the Word) remains. These large mega churches are also driving the members to a ”works” false doctrine of the prosperity gospel. If you are not rich and successful does that mean God doesn’t love you?
Jesus is coming soon and by all the indications in the many prophecies, I would suggest getting to know Jesus through His Word, the Bible. If Jesus is right in Matthew 24, there will be troubling times ahead such as the world has never known, you need to get ready, grow up and prepare for His return. Remember straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to eternal life and few will find it.
Jesus said for us to “come out from among them and touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you” He said let the dead bury the dead, come follow Me. Give Jesus a chance to live in you, receive him as your saviour and get baptized with the Holy Spirit, that’s a good starting place.
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But good 👍 very well said! Trusting others will see this…..easy read. Understood. Ty much….
@@rogerbrennan5001 : Amen brother.
Many things you said here are misguided
I'm Catholic but there was a time that went away from the God, what made come back was reading the gospels. I understood Jesus love for me, the need for the sacraments and receiving Jesus in the Holy Eucharist. Reading the bible makes you a better Catholic.
It sounds like you left Catholicism without trying to understand it.
My experience of protestant church was a worship of the pastor rather than of God, and on a lesser level looking for the right combination of music and services to make the congregants happy.
Bread and circuses to keep the masses quiet.
@justpodzol9681 we have lost the awe of God